24 Aug 2022 19:22:21
The negativity on here truly is astounding. We're only 5 points behind city and its early doors. How many points We're we behind them when we won the league? Wouldn't mind they're not even top of the table.
This team came so, so close to winning an historic four trophies last, all of a sudden they're rubbish?
I'm not liking the negativity towards klopp at all either, three games in and all the doomsday merchants are out in force. Pathetic.

1.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 20:19:18
If we play the way we have done the past 3 games we will be 15 points behind city come Xmas.

2.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 20:44:58
This team failed to win the premier league again and the champions league again and stood still in the market while others improved. Can we please stop living up to the “living in the past” stereotype. This team needed to improve and hasn’t. Imagine Gini and Mane wanted to stay, we’d be fielding the same 11 we were in 2018. Too much sentimentality. Stale Bread.

3.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 20:52:10
Were we ever behind City the season we won the league?

I hope Klopp and the players aren’t being too negative about our performances and results.

4.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 21:21:14
I'm with you Onekiss, coming close means nothing in the history books. There's at least 4 first team players that need moving on. I love a Klopp and it would be scandalous if he didn't win another Prem, unfortunately I can't see it being this year.

5.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 21:36:17
I was in a Liverpool supporters bar on Monday night when we lost to our biggest rivals in football with what looked like a performance where the players didn’t really seem bothered.

Every single one of those LFC supporters in that bar were gutted and showed lots of emotions to the performance and loss.

Im more concerned there’s actually LFC fans who don’t seem at all bothered that we lost and to make it worse they are calling out the fans that are bothered.

6.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 22:19:31
Everyone has their own way of dealing with performances, win, lose, or draw Jk. You’ve been a great advocate of that. Correctly so in my opinion.

I always make time to read your posts even in a very long thread. Saying that I’m really surprised that you’re calling out fans who don’t react in the same way that you do.

7.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 22:22:47
The year we won the league we led from the off, were 10 or 12 clear by November. So no idea what your on about there.

8.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 22:31:14
Footyfan I’m calling out fans who are calling out other fans mate. I generally don’t care how other fans feel but in the last 24 hours fans who have been disappointed have been called morons, pathetic and cry babies. If people can give it then surely they can take it.

9.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 23:14:56
JK23, I absolutely whole heartedly agree with you there. ?

This is the kind of form and performances that should concern and worry.

10.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 23:23:40
Disagreeing with Klopp doesn’t mean you think he should be gone. Wanting the team to improve and show more desire doesn’t make you a bad supporter. It’s all about opinions and everyone has different ones. That’s the beauty of the game.

11.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 23:43:21
I'm not going to tell anybody else how they should feel about this start to the season, but I will say that many sensible Reds who normally are very patient have completely changed their tune. They are angry and worried and rightly so.

The two main Liverpool fan channels, the Anfield Wrap and The Redmen TV, are often the voices of reason among a sea of frantic fans. I watched some of their content the day after the game to see if anybody was seeing things the way that I did, and I was shocked to find that they were. If you haven't seen it yet, the Anfield Wrap did an hour long free podcast about the United game and it sums it up better than I could.

We seem to have 3 main problems, all of which Jurgen is responsible for. Firstly, the fitness of the players after pre season. Those who can play don't look ready, and those who are injured seem to have been the victims of a botched pre season that has wiped out half the squad.

Secondly, the tactics. I have no idea what we have tried to implement this season but it's bloody horrible and isn't working. Our most dangerous players are further away from the goal than before, while our best crosser is occupying positions where he can't cross. We seem to be trying too hard to adapt to Nunez by trying endless hit and hope balls into the centre, which is made even more baffling when we continue to do this when Nunez is not on the pitch, and when he isn't, Firmino has dropped so far back that he may as well be a midfielder. The spaces between players is enormous and everyone appears to be on their own little island. Milner went completely rogue against United and tried to cover every position on the pitch. The high line has started to frustrate me, even when I was an ardent supporter of it before. We continued to try and play it even when Phillips was in the side. Nothing makes sense and everything seems to have gotten too complicated.

Finally, and this is the biggest issue for me, is the complacency within the squad. Standards have been dropping for some time now and Jurgen seems reluctant to discipline or let go of players who he has grown attached to. The fact that he said he wanted to keep Wijnaldum after half a season of him not trying was a worrying sign. How Keita is still knocking around despite not giving a toss I do not know, even rumours of a new contract there. Henderson being given a new contract despite there being no need to do so, also being quoted as saying that he 'couldn't imagine doing this without Milner'.

He clearly loves his players to a fault, and has always been a little guilty of being too trusting of his core group and not trusting enough of outsiders, like during the cursed van Dijk injury season where neither Phillips nor Minamino could get a game no matter how bad it got. However, what was once an annoying quirk of his management style now appears to be affecting us on the pitch every single game. 3 years ago, we were concentrated and switched on for 90 minutes of every single game. There were games when we were better and games when we were worse, but I never once felt that we just 'switched off'. From the start of last season, that has been encroaching more and more into our game. 90 minutes of full effort became 60 minutes of effort before taking our foot off the gas and letting the opposition back into the game. By the end of the season that had morphed into an initial 60 opening minutes of lackadaisical arrogance, followed by 30 minutes where we'd actually remember how to play footie and try and salvage a result. Now we're down to a full 90 minutes of unfocused, arrogant, responsibility-shirking rubbish.

Tactics and injuries aside, the attitude has been shocking. It's nothing to do with age or lack of investment (although I do think a bit more of a squad refresh would help with a kick up the backside) . It's players like Trent, Robbo, van Dijk and Fabinho, players who should be in the prime of their careers but are strolling around as if they have nothing left to play for. Switching off defensively, hit and hope stroppy passes, standing off players and expecting someone else to do their job. Even Henderson and Firmino, while winding down their careers, they should be able to perform to a decent standard at this early stage of the season with a week inbetween games. These were players who never used to dip below a 7 out of 10, the consistency was astounding. Yet over the last year, it seems like only half of them are ever in form. I said as much during the first half of last season, at the start it felt like Alisson and Salah were the only ones dropping 8's or 9's most weeks, whereas the rest were barely scraping 6's and 7's.

I just don't see the same hunger that I used to. The concentration, the drive, the in game management, the constant improvements in everybody's game. Its all been gone for a while and Klopp has overseen that slide. It's all well and good saying that the sloppy starts aren't good enough, but they seem to get worse with every game. You can strawman all you like and cite what we nearly (but ultimately did not) achieve last season, but the evidence was there in the performances. Yes, I think we need to freshen up the midfield big time, but that's not the full picture; the real one is much, much bigger and runs far deeper. Klopp is at a vital crossroads as a manager here and will have to look within himself to fix this. New midfielders are all well and good, but how does that improve the attitude of the players we already have? It's not like we're seriously going to consider replacing the likes of Trent and Fabinho anytime soon, is it?

The improvement must come from within, and it must come from Klopp. He needs to accept that we are in big trouble and that this has been brewing for a while; heads may need to roll. It really is that bad and I'm not one for doom mongering where the Reds are concerned - I like to think I'm very positive compared to most fans - but we are on the precipice of a serious collapse if the club doesn't band together to sort this mess out. We should forget about the league and just get back to doing the basics right, because we won't win another game until we do.

If you aren't having sleepless nights about how bad it could get, then good for you. However, I think the time for having a competition to see who can be the biggest 'Top Red' is over. You can't not call a spade a spade anymore. It's been really, really bad. It's nothing like what it was 3 years ago, and it's been building for a while. If you don't think anybody is to blame, then I think you're deluded, but at least explain why. Just citing what we did last season doesn't sound like much of an argument to convince me to distrust my own two eyes.

12.) 24 Aug 2022
24 Aug 2022 23:44:51
Well it's just as well half the posters here don't actually play for the team. Otherwise there no point in stepping out onto the pitch. Entitlement is what springs to mind.

13.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 00:01:11
Jk, I think you know from my previous posts that I’m completely with you when it comes to name calling. It’s incredibly childish.

My point is more that you’ve called people out for dismissing others views when they’re not in line with theirs, but then called out fans ‘who don’t seem at all bothered that we lost’

I think every Liverpool fan hates it when we lose points, some just show it differently. Some spiral into negativity, some take it on the chin and accept it for what it is, and some are blindly optimistic.

I think you’re firmly in the middle camp, which I totally respect and personally think is the correct stand point. I just think you struggle to cope with those in the latter. I may have read it completely incorrectly, but from reading your posts that’s how I see it.

14.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 00:46:38
@walkon, so we’re entitled for expecting 100% commitment from a team of players earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a week? I can accept us losing or drawing games but the performances I’ve watched in the first 3 games are unacceptable if you want to be challenging for league titles! Players pulling out of tackles, being outrun all over the pitch, second to every ball, the players look like that can’t be assed!

15.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 00:48:45
Apologies, I posted my previous post before I saw AWs above so I forgive anyone who didn’t get to mine.

I read the beginning and the end of AWs post. I’ll respond to the end.

I don’t get sleepless nights worrying about my football team. Personally I feel that’s completely pointless. No matter how strongly I feel about it I can’t change a thing, mainly because I don’t have the skills to be employed to do so.

If Jurgen gets the boot and they need a Manager with U5’s-U8’s and over 30 years of CM experience then I’ll start to worry about it. Until then I’ll leave it to the professionals.

16.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 01:35:33
Anonymous, I’d say that Trent, Robbo, van Dijk and Fabinho are probably exhausted as they’ve been largely the backbone.

I do think that a new midfielder would increase competition, would give a boost to the team by a new injection of energy and imputes.

17.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 01:57:19
Footyfan is right.

AW - Lengthy post but based on your earlier posts, I thought you would be in the middle section like FF said above but looks like you are drifting left.

Like every manager Klopp has his +'s and -'s. We need to accept whether we like, agree or not.

But he has done exceedingly well and earned his right to be here and continue.

I hope we pick up and do well and most crucial is change the tactics little bit and freshen up things.

Shout out to Barry and Ron and other regular posters not seen for a while.

Ed25 must be having some nice fun I bet. Top Guy.

I almost feel Ed02 is jobless as there is any news on incoming/ outgoing here. ?

YNWA.

18.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 07:55:32
Walking, i think you're putting yourself in contention for #superfanoftheyear.

19.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 08:25:53
“Well it's just as well half the posters here don't actually play for the team”

Well I didn’t realise the other half did ?.

On my viewpoint I’ve said it before I’m sure (hoping) we will compete for trophies this season and I can take losing and drawing games. But it’s the manner in how we lose or draw games that gets to me. The start to this season has me worried because I’ve never seen a Klopp LFC squad look like they aren’t really bothered or up for it before.

Can anyone honestly say hand on heart that the 3 performances they’ve seen so far and especially the UTD game the players gave it their all and went out on their shields.

20.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 09:39:37
6times. I think it needs more than 1.we need 2 new mids now.

21.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 10:21:25
It's the way some fans are reacting that I reply to. We are three games into a season with the injuries we've got. And the suspension, of course.
I'm not going to start calling out VVD, TAA, Fabinho etc just yet but they need to improve and quickly. We are also depending on players that are not top four quality never mind title winning quality.
I think we needed two or three more players coming in and some to leave.
We all have our theories for why this hasn't happened and we just might have to put up with it. I will voice my concerns about players being complacent and squad depth but I will support Jürgen Klopp and what he has to deal with for the foreseeable future.

22.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 11:20:55
Anonymous Woolback - long post, good post.

Perhaps there also an element of the collective leadership becoming a little too obsessed with being seen to be winning "the transfer window" and "best run club of the year" award.

Optics eh?

23.) 25 Aug 2022
25 Aug 2022 14:44:25
Anonymous Woolback, great post, long but worth the read, nice break from 'you're a moron' and 'you're too negative / positive' lol.