10 Sep 2015 10:21:57
I've seen plenty of posters wanting Ibe to sit wide and whip in balls for bigben etc. While two weeks ago everyone got on his back that he was poor and should be out of the first team.

I've got a few issues with both those points though.

I feel he is trying too hard to showcase one aspect of his game - his crossing. Not too long ago weren't we all raving about how he has a better strike on him and can finish unlike Sterling. Now he is being forced out wide where his shooting ability is almost irrelevant.
I'd like BR to give him the same freedom Sterling was giving to develop all aspects of his game not just shackled as a typical wide man. He has the potential to be so much more than that.

I'd like him to use his pace to get to the byline for pull backs more often - in between the crosses and cutting inside for shots.

1.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 11:17:47
Agree that ibe when playing should play with freedom but still would use him for this season as a sub for last 25 mins and start him in cup games ect. His pace and power could prove devasting against tired legs in prem matches. I think we need to take are time with him and let him develop over this season and if handled right he will be ready to start next season.

2.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 11:49:32
Ibe is a winger and Sterling is a different player to Ibe. We replaced Ibe with Firmino who would now play the free role. what's the confusion here?
Every player who breaks out from the academy need not be another Sterling.

3.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 12:23:54
EG- i've been reading your posts for months now and have realised that you are quite strange. If you cannot compare 2 wingers like Ibe and Sterling (Sterling plays on the wing for MC), then who can you compare?

yes they are different people, they have different attributes, but they play the same position so stop trying to play it down with technicalities like Ibe is more direct because no 2 players will be exactly the same

4.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 12:33:10
My bad, We replaced Sterling with Firmino.
Sorry

5.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 13:07:18
I don't remember Ibe ever being raved about for his finishing, for me he still has a lot to prove there. Bar the strike pre season there's been a lot of games for the first team and somewhat at youth levels where he has been quite wasteful.
The more I see of ibe the more I think he has all the capabilities with no real weak aspect to his game but just needs something to click don't really know how to describe it and then he could be one of the most effective attacking threats in the league regardless of where he plays. Also Harry for a long long time it was thought ibe would mould into a striker so wouldn't completely just box him off as a winger

6.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 13:10:12
RED, I'm not sure what criticism you're referring to. At the moment he's alienated, this is in the main part for me the teams fault for not getting to him quickly enough or showing for passes.

At the same time however,he doesn't need to surrender possession so easily,I counted multiple times he was isolated but instead of going back where possession could be retained and recycled he took on not only his man,but the covering mid and centre back coming across.

This decision making will hopefully improve in time,it's also worth pointing out from my POV teams are targeting him because they know he's our danger man to stretch the play and create space and get in behind hence he's almost always double marked when I've seen him receive the ball.

Ideally,you don't want some one to be rigid and either cut in constantly or stay wide constantly,that's too predictable,you want them to simply make the right decisions when certain opportunities present themselves in the match and have a bit of flexibility to move along the frontline however the opportunities present themselves.


If he's there with Couts and there's space wide,provide the overlap,if they're 3 on 2(vs defense) with say Moreno up there providing space, countinho central,come inside if the gap is left open. (there are multiple variations but you get my drift)

Jordan Ibe is 19,and still a raw talent learning his game,he's going to make mistakes,but that raw talent/aggression, speed is also going to create chances. I still firmly believe he's best used as an impact sub currently where mistakes vs tired legs won't be so costly as he can get back easier.

He needs to learn and the best place to do that is the field and linking up with benteke, firmino and couts developing his understanding with them over the years.

7.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 13:55:49
EG nowhere in my post did I say they were the same type of player - that's not what I'm concerned with.
Sterling was given the chance to express all the aspects of his game - playing wide, centrally, running from deep/ in behind - while he was breaking into the side.
Ibe on the other hand has been shoved out wide, whether as a wing back or winger, with little support and told to do a job which might not be the best role for him in the team. He has then been criticised, fairly, on a few under-par performances. The point I'm getting at is he shouldn't be labelled and shackled as a 'winger' when I'm sure - from watching him - he has the potential to be so much more.

8.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 13:05:26
Redhead

There are different types of wingers, Old fashioned wingers, Modern day winger and wide attackers. Sterling could be comapred to Neymar. Apparently Neymar is not a winger. Pedro and Walcott plays on the wings but they are not wingers.

Ibe is an old fashioned out and out winger who relies on his pace and power to get past people.

9.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 14:47:39
Why do people need to obercomplicate things so much with so many different names 😯😯

10.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 14:53:28
Red

That was purely down to the trust BR had on Sterling. BR introduced sterling when he had no options and the gamble paid off, Suarez and Sturridge were on devestating form which helped Sterling to improve immensely. The kid took his chance well and made a mark in the league.

Sterling is not just pure hit and run or pace. He is a very clever footballer.

I have not seen anything relevent in Ibe till now to play him centrally or elsewhere. He looked to me one dimensional. Has great pace and his physical power helps him to get past players.

Its the best for the team and club to play Ibe in the flanks as Liverpool FC lacks genuine wingers. We have 4 Strikers and 3 ACM atm.

11.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 15:09:24
I've is a young lad who needs games to improve on his potential , he makes a few mistakes and he gets dicected , come on he is a young player who will make mistakes but with game time he can get them mistakes out of his game , he has a very good footballling brain for his age , but for me he needs to play as he will get better , Sterling is a winger ibe is a winger but Sterling is getting the game time even when he is was with us I just hope ibe gets the same and he will show us how good he is , I would have ibe over Sterling anytime

12.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 15:12:06
Bob your point about him not looking to retain possession before he gets isolated - that is the fair and constructive criticism I was on about.

I completely agree with you that he should be used as a sub - at least while he gains experience.
Give him +/-30 mins centrally and out wide depending on the situation. That way he could learn from and build an understand with more of our attacking players.

My concern is if he is only ever seen and played as a wide man he may never get the chance to develop an understanding with the rest of the attackers. Because, as you rightly say, they are are leaving him isolated and alienated on the pitch.

13.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 15:40:37
Reet: "Football is a simple game complicated by idiots"

{Ed001's Note - would those idiots have big tactical manuals that they use to impress American owners by any chance Ron? ;o)

14.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 15:57:34
What's Ron doing in this thread? Did someone call out BR?

15.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 16:02:13
Lol ed. 😂. Seriously allt these wingers and auxiliary wingers amd creative wingers and deep lying playmakers. I am going to probably lose my mind

{Ed001's Note - I did once try and sort out all the different labels to try and put it down in an article. I gave up when I realised it would take the rest of my life just doing that one article. There are so many labels which are constantly changing, it is difficult to keep track.}

16.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 16:30:51
All this talk makes me think we should have gone for Adama Traore. Not that's what you call a true out and out winger 😒. Boy what would we give for a Harry Kewell right now.

17.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 17:05:54
put ibe in a team with suarez and sturridge on form, ud probably say ibe is clever too harry.

18.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 17:24:04
I think the problem with all the different labels used is due to them being used to indicate different aspects of a player's game. Some are used to distinguish the position the player will gravitate around on the pitch, others deal with the player's movement on the pitch, while some with the player's contribution to team play.

Also there are different labels depending on how many pieces the pitch is divided in for analysis. When it was two pieces you'd have the half-back, full back, center half etc. With three i.e. center and two wings, you need different labels like winger/inside forward, wingback/inverse wingback etc.

I imagine they are used in tactical analysis so the players can more easily understand what is expected from them. Players are expected to play differently depending on opposition play and their team mates movement. Though top players transcend such simple labels.

19.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 17:42:01
I think it comes from Championship Manager.

20.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 20:19:11
As you know Ed, it's not my quote so I'm not the right person to explain it. However, I agree with the quote and if that includes someone with a manual or dossier or whatever then so be it.

The more keen observers would see that I've never sought to justify BR or make him into something he isn't. I will support the Liverpool manager and that will never change. So if that requires defending them against personal attacks then I will. I'm not an expert on football and unlike other posters I don't claim to be. I just think the personal attacks are ridiculous.
Why does he play this formation over that one, why does he pick x over y? I don't know and unlike others I don't assume I know.
All I know is he is our manager and I want him to succeed.

21.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 20:20:11
EG : I got confused when no-one mentioned Kovacic but I saw you'd posted ;-)

22.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 20:47:28
Ed, that would be an emphatic YES to your question directed at Ron Kreague

23.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 21:16:56
I think people confuse things slightly when a right footed player plays left wing, and they suddenly change completely because they cut in onto their stronger foot. Suddenly an 'old fashioned winger' becomes a 'modern day winger' because they shoot as well as cross

24.) 11 Sep 2015
11 Sep 2015 01:26:17
Ron, the reason people think you are a BR apologist is because you make some of the most fundamentally and intellectual dishonest comments in a bid to defend him. You have made countless excuses for him to the point of people thinking you're him in disguise.

So you're going to blame that on the rest of us? Maybe you think you're some kind of martyr or victim for BR or any manager but save that for those who care because many of the rest of us don't. We all want our manager to succeed even though we disagree because if he succeeds, then we all do as a club so you're preaching to the choir, bro.

I want him to succeed as well because I want our club to succeed and not because I care for him because he's an employee and not a family member. If you can't do your job then your P45 is waiting for you by the door. Dude, even I wanted Roy to succeed even though we all knew he was out of his depth.

I have never slated his personal life because that's none of my business. His pro life though, is fair game because that's the place I can see and evaluate. N btw, it is not an insult or personal attack when you call a manager who over a period of time has proven to be out of his depth.

That is a fact that can be verified by evidence. If he cannot do his job then he needs to either shape up or set shipped out. I didn't want him here and I have been consistent on that but he's been kept and that's that BUT if he is not learning and improving us he should get out of our club and take his manuals with him.

25.) 11 Sep 2015
11 Sep 2015 08:45:26
Sterling and clever are rarely used in the same sentence without a not in there somewhere. Seriously some of his interviews were cringe worthy!