30 Jun 2024 10:24:55
Hi Ed002. I suspect you may tell me to stay away from this conversation.
Seeing clubs who are sailing close to the wind (financially) doing deals between each other. The fees being agreed seem inflated. I appreciate they have to fall within the PSR rules but this all seems nuts. Players are becoming like pawns.
{Ed002's Note - I really don't know what you are referring to. Can you give some examples please.}
30 Jun 2024 11:20:51
Leelad the athletic did a good podcast on it the other day. Def worth a listen.
30 Jun 2024 11:37:43
Thr rub is you can’t prove the transactions are related.
And the fees for the most promising home grown/ academy kids have been escalating for a while. Look at City’s sales over the last few years.
It is what it is. More shame for the kids being shunted around than potential rule breaking.
30 Jun 2024 11:31:24
For example Elliott Anderson going to Forest for £35m and Newcastle suddenly interested in a Forest keeper.
Everton and Villa have bought each others players. Chelsea and Villa as well.
I'm not saying this isn't within the rules but it looks like an obvious tactic to avoid falling foul of PSR regs.
{Ed002's Note - I agree that the price being requested for Anderson is high, but there is sustained interest in Vlachodimos from Newcastle.
Elliot Anderson (CM) Missed much of the season through injury but otherwise an ever present in the Newcastle side. Nottingham Forest have tried to negotiate a deal with Liverpool who will let him leave - but the asking price is very high. The player was a prolific goalscorer at other levels but has so far not continued that in the Premier League.
Odysseas Vlachodimos (G) Had a pretty torrid first season at Nottingham Forest after opting for the move from Benfica over interest of Manchester United and Newcastle. The interest of Newcastle remains at the right price.
Aston Villa worked very hard to sign Ian Maatsen from Chelsea after Dortmund could not meet his Option to buy price. The other interested side, Bayern Munich, managed to get Alphonso David to agree to stay a while longer. Chelsea first asked Aston Villa about the availability of Omari Kellyman two years ago when negotiating the purchase of Carney Chukwuemeka.}
30 Jun 2024 12:36:40
Thanks Ed002 for taking the time to answer. I'm still concerned the game is going even further in the wrong direction.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome. UEFA are looking to revise rules related to PSR/FFP and The FA are also looking at better alignment. The eventual change will likely mean that clubs need to increase Home Grown and Club Developed players - but most Premier League clubs are against this. However, what I do expect to happen moving forward is (a) a push to lower the maximum number on non Home Grown players from 17 to 13, (b) an increase in the number of "Club Developed" (having been with the club for a year before turning 19) players which currently only impacts UEFA competition, and (eventually) (c) changing to matchday squad such that a minimum number of Home Grown players must start the game (say four), and a minimum number of Club Developed players (say four again) need to be in the match day squad. There are already rules surrounding this in other countries.}
30 Jun 2024 13:36:37
Germany have rules similar to this I believe. You need to have x number of club trained players in the squad and you also have to have x number of club trained players who are also German as well. You can buy as many foreigners as you want but you can't play as many as you want.
I'm not 100% on that but I think that's how it works.
The effect anyway is you see German teams have a high % of German players in their squads.
30 Jun 2024 15:09:17
The PL is about making money, it’s a business. Its only concern for the sport is that it needs players to keep the money rolling in.
If the integrity of the sport came into decisions then they would take a look at other models like NFL. In NFL the worst team can challenge for honours the next season due to salary caps and the draft system.
In an ideal world, teams should be allowed to have a total out-going on players wages, fees and agents based on last seasons position. In addition they should be given a set amount of TV money plus an additional amount based on last season position. So Forest (17th) would get more than City.
i. e. Man City would be able to increase their total player/ agent spending by zero.
Arsenal by £5m
Liverpool £10m
Villa £15m
etc
17th Forest can increase their total player/ agent spending by £80m
Something around that model would increase competition.
I don’t think the PL want that though.
30 Jun 2024 15:43:13
Ed02, your response is another example of why this site is head and shoulders above any other out there for genuine football information. Top drawer!
{Ed002's Note - Thank you.}
30 Jun 2024 20:58:38
That’s really interesting about the potential non-HG reduction to 13 players. Hopefully that comes to fruition Ed002. It would probably increase the value of HG players but it will be a good thing for players in the academy getting given more chances. Thanks for sharing.
{Ed002's Note - It is all a balance that the UEFA, the FA and other FAs are considering. There are objections from England about the number, Spain and Portugal (and perhaps France) about the Cotonou Agreement. There remain huge fears about the potential breakaway by "elite" sides and all eyes will be on the meeting in August.}
30 Jun 2024 21:27:44
Ed002, do you think English clubs will have stepped back from the breakaway league idea? The public reaction in England was pretty unanimously damning last time around. John Henry would also look a bit of a flake if he entertained it ever again after that apology video! I think it’s the next step in the natural progression of the sport but from a football romantic perspective, I hope Liverpool aren’t involved and stay true to the clubs working class history.
{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the Liverpool and Manchester United owners plotting Project Bigfoot. The “elite sides” continue to meet and continue to consider options. The expanded Club World Cup will only benefit Manchester City and Chelsea from England next season. That is seen as far from ideal.}