06 Aug 2023 22:06:03
I am reminded of the Monty Python skit about the Romans in Life of Brian when it comes to talking about FSG, you know the one. " aside from straight roads, clean drinking water, communal baths, education and law and order what have the Romans done for us lately"

Well aside from a new training complex, many many players that have won every trophy there is to win and development in the stadium what have FSG done for us lately.

Im neither in the for nor against camp when it comes to FSG, they are simply the owners of the club i've supported for 37 years, they will leave eventually and we will be in a better place when they do than we were when they arrived. But I can't help think that could do better, but as I said at the start, what have the Romans done for us lately.

1.) 06 Aug 2023
06 Aug 2023 22:31:01
I agree Kimura.

I am not particularly for or against FSG but we are undoubtably in a much better place now than when they took over. Did anyone honestly see 3 CL finals (one win) and a PL title in our future when FSG took over? We were a million miles away.

I’m just of the opinion that we as fans should all be 100% behind everyone at the club as we are much stronger when we are all pulling in the same direction. When you get fans complaining about the board, the manager, the players then you are a one way ticket to nowhere.

We need to realise how lucky we are to support this great club and stop the bitching and moaning because it helps no one but the opposition.

2.) 06 Aug 2023
06 Aug 2023 22:34:52
that's a really good way to put it lol

For me, it's all FSG is bad when we don't get the outcome we want. And when things are going well, it's crickets.

When FSG do eventually leave, I'm not sure there would be any argument to make that they're handing over a healthy club to whoever takes over.

3.) 06 Aug 2023
06 Aug 2023 22:41:52
Jürgen's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!

4.) 07 Aug 2023
06 Aug 2023 23:12:48
We are f***ing Liverpool FC, one of the most successful teams in the world. One of the biggest "brands" in the world. The investment in the team is pathetic really. Yes we get it more right than wrong in the market but klopp has to work on a budget similar to mid table teams and is expected to work miracles. Who is to blame for that? Its not klopp who wanted his team to stagnate after winning EVERY trophy available at club level. We should be building on the success that klopp has brought back to the club but instead we're fed the "we can't compete because we're poor" line. It seems to me FSG are riding the wave of success that klopp has brought and don't really care about constantly competing. Why would they if it doesn't actually make them much profit.

5.) 07 Aug 2023
06 Aug 2023 23:13:50
I think FSG have been responsible owners and have run the club well so far, but I think the way the premier league is going, as in an average midfielder cost 30m plus, their sustainable model no longer works, I’m not saying we need oil money but maybe owners who are willing to part with a bit of there own cash as well.

6.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 00:06:50
They’ve also increased the value of their asset from an initial outlay of 300mil to, according to what they’d consider selling the club for, over 3billion. Not to mention the profits made over their subsequent years of ownership. They have put money in, but they’ve also earned a tremendous amount, but haven’t spent competitively with our rivals. If we were being honest we’d admit that then appointing Klopp was their biggest coup, because it gave us a manager who kept us extremely competitive at the summit of the league - is there any other manager out there who would’ve done so? When he leaves will the next incumbent be able to compete whilst having less money to spend than other clubs? We know the answer.

FSG have done a lot of good for the club, but let’s not pretend these acts of good aren’t tinged with a huge amount of self interest, or that we couldn’t of done with more investment in the squad to try and keep pace with everyone else. We’ve on the league then didn’t really bring anyone in to the first team - City won the league and brought in Haaland, then won the treble and brought in Gvardiol. The difference in ambition between the clubs is clear to see.

7.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 00:15:13
1) the name of the training centre might give you a clue as to who funded it

2) winning everything once in twelve years isn't particularly impressive for one of the biggest clubs in Europe

3) the new stand was paid for by the club. It will increase the asset price, increase revenue, is mainly corporate hospitality seats and crucially - offer risk free profit for FSG

So no, they haven't done anything 'for us'. No modern day club owner does anything for the fans.

Personally I can't stand them, but I can't stand any modern day owners. I'd rather just have someone I don't like with a few more quid. When FSG do decide to sell up, good riddance.

8.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 00:17:16
Sorry the last comment came across really rude, I didn't have much battery left. As you were ?.

9.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 00:57:15
Fresh jaguar earlobes! Get ‘em while they’re hot, they’re lovely.

10.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 08:18:42
It's quite ironic that fans berate Hendo for going to Saudi for oil money but want the same oil money to finance the club.

11.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 09:04:28
Spot on, Kimurathing and Beckers. FSG are investors who flip sleeping sporting giants or sports organisations, invest in them and make them successful hence, they get a big return on their investment. That is literally their calling card in the business they are in. Now to say a bunch of successful multibillionaires who have been very successful in ownership of two of the biggest institutions in their sports’ categories lack ambition is the stuff of comedy gold, imo.

Anyone that has taken any type of business or investment course can tell you that in order for there to be any type of return, there must be quality product on the pitch as in a competitive team to compete and WIN, end of story. This is for-profit business, not a non profit organisation or some NGO. No participation trophies allowed here. They are not doing LFC nor the fans favours here, mind you.

Hence, they have invested on and off the pitch and success has further raised the standards of their asset on and off the pitch. They are literally doing their job as investors cos without investment, no success and no return. Will they make good and bad decisions? Yes so I accept both cos that it what it is. call them out and stay on top of them when they screw up and give them credit when they do well.

As for transfers, they don’t handle that side so I won’t address any of that and to continue to compare our spending to that of City’s “ (with all the “advantages” therein) is just a recipe for misery and perennial anxiety and frustration I want no party of. Just my opinion.

12.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 09:05:13
Seano profits? They (fsg) haven't earned anything or taken any money out of the club.
Yes when they sell, it will be a huge profit for them, largely based on the teams success under their stewardship.
Utd are a bigger brand than us so by your logic should finish above us every season.
For some fans there appears to be a sense of entitlement that we should be the best.

13.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 09:35:03
People have extraordinarily short memories. If you’ve got a childish, entitled mentality then fine, saying FSG are holding us back makes sense but those who can look beyond the bridge of their nose will realise that the only British clubs more successful in the same time frame have been funded by a Russian oligarch and a gulf state.

We’ve not done so very bad by comparison and this whole “one of the biggest clubs”, yadda, yadda, yadda, sounds very spoilt considering the amount of trophies available every year and the level of competition.

This mentality is why there is such a high turnover of mangaers every year. Imagine if that were the same with owners whenever a group of fans gets fed up with them.

14.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 10:02:48
Gvardiol sums it up for me, elite player who would absolutely love to play for us but we couldn't even bid. that's not entitlement. FSG own Liverpool not Palace or Forest etc. doesn't really matter how they've done up to now (for what its worth appointing klopps the most significant thing they've ever done) . I just think that going forward they are not fit for purpose to own a club which in terms of sheer size and support is in the top handful on the planet. Its ok saying its not about the money but throughout the history of football the teams with the most wealth and best players win trophies. But maybe we'll be different because we managed the get the likes of Salah and Mane in for decent prices six or seven years ago.

15.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 10:41:18
It's not about entitlement, it's about failing to capitalise on success enough to give our manager a chance to compete. We do not need to spend as much as city but when every fan can see that we're short in certain areas of the pitch and it costs us progression then yeah, we have a right to call it out.

16.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 10:45:31
Jude: Who do you want to own the club then? Are we just going to pick a Saudi prince or oil rich sheikh off the shelf, the answer is no. Neither would I want to.

So the option is FSG sell up and it will be another investment company or group. This company won't be able to make such a retain by increasing the value of the business so will need to draw from the profit instead. We need to face facts, FSG are probably as good as it is going to get.

A lot of people on here moan about FSG running the club and want them gone but cannot come up with what the viable alternative would be.

17.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 10:58:47
What does not bidding on gvardiol have to do with fsg @jude?

18.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 10:58:57
Overall Transfer Totals
Total Spent: £1.25bn
Total Sales: £636m
Stadium redevelopment: £190m
State of the art training ground: £50m
A club that is virtually self sufficient.

I too don’t think FSG have done much for our club, I mean yeah they spent £75m on VVD (most expensive defender at the time) and £60m on Allison (most expensive keeper at the time) and extended Salah’s contract (highest wages ever at the club), but other than that, what have they done?

19.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 11:13:52
Piffmunda i would like FSG to remain in charge because i don't want Saudi owners. I just want them to part with some of their own money if need be to keep their investment at the top. Surely even the biggest FSG backer can agree that they can't expect going forward to not put some of their own money into the club and the club to be successful. Klopp can't keep performing miracles in the market.

20.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 12:05:42
I’m sorry but what’s wrong with entitlement anyway? We pay good money to watch the club go home and away, everyone spends money on merchandise and TV subscription etc. We’re constantly asked to create an atmosphere every time we have a big game and every time the club want to sell something we’re constantly having our past success shoved in our face

We’re paying European royalty prices and the club our using our position for marketing gain. So is it really so bad to expect the club to behave in a way that’s befitting of the size we constantly say we are? I don’t think so

If the tickets were cheaper, the matchday experience didn’t pander to hospitality, we weren’t told to sit down every few seconds by stewards and the club didn’t behave like a franchise then I would accept mediocrity in the transfer market. But that’s not the case, so I expect better in return.

21.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 12:08:34
So mushroom a net total of about 600m over 13 years, a Stadium and academy refurbishment that will ultimately be paid for by the club and two transfers which i doubt would have happened without the sale of Coutinho. As i said im not looking for Saudi owners or unlimited millions but some people are very very easily pleased.

22.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 12:53:09
so ya'll are describing a self sufficient club. sounds pretty good to me.

23.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 13:22:41
Dan-ish would you not like to be in a position to bid for a player whos expected to grow into the best in his position over the next few years, who has said publicly it'd be a dream to player for us and who our manager would clearly love to have at the club? He went for big enough money but no more than what has become the going rate these days and that is my point. The going rate has become out of reach for us under FSG's ownership under their current model. Im simply using Gvardiol as an example of what will, and already has become the norm for the club. Do you think we would have gone for MacAllister if there was no clause and Brighton wanted £70-80m? Like hell we would.

24.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 13:45:31
If we are that mediocre in the transfer window, why do the stewards keep telling you to sit down, thomas? Or do you stand up when our opponents are attacking us?

25.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 14:27:02
That’s just a random collection of words Rigsby.

26.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 15:47:11
@jude nkunku
If you’re not looking for Saudi investment or millions spent, I struggle to understand your point.
I’m not sure also by what you mean “easily pleased”.

27.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 16:41:21
"Unlimited millions"Mushroom, i think you know what i mean.

28.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 17:13:16
Thomas - what's wrong with entitlement?! just wow.

Jude - how much was Darwin? Was that the going rate?

The budget is the budget, it's Klopp's job to assess what's needed and spend wisely. Perhaps Klopp should have bought midfielders last year instead of Darwin, then he'd be in a position to afford Gvardiol this year. Sorry, but I'm not putting a lack of planning on FSG. Klopp has done very well in the transfer market over the years but f'd it up last season and strengthened an area that didn't need it while neglecting an area that needed it. Hence, we are where we are. Now people want FSG to dip into their own pockets for another 100m to bail him out.

Everyone says how good Klopp is and how he's a miracle worker for achieving what he has at LFC, yet slight Pep when he wins because he supposedly has unlimited funds. If Klopp needs unlimited funds to win, is he really that good or is he just another Pep? Just food for thought.

29.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 18:21:19
They were hastily put together but not random, thomas.
I'm no Paul Merson and I'm struggling with the link between your transfer expectations and the actions of the club's stewards.
Put me out of my misery, please, thomas.

30.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 19:08:37
Jude - I really don’t. Maybe we have a difference in intellect?

31.) 07 Aug 2023
07 Aug 2023 20:28:36
Honestly can you hear yourselves? You sound like spoilt kids whose parents didn’t get them the latest toy they wanted.

City built on their squad because they have unlimited amounts of money, lied about revenue, lied about costs and so are now in a position where nobody can compete with them.

Are we really having a go at the owners for increasing the value of the club? Would you prefer we were still only valued at £300m? We would be in league 1.

Don’t forget where we were when they took over. We were a couple of months from administration. I’m not saying they are our saviour because no one does anything for nothing but let’s give them some credit for dragging an ailing football superpower out of the gutter and back to the top echelons of the football pyramid.

It really is a pointless argument anyway as none of us know the total financial position of the club or FSG. People just like to assume that the owners are stealing the profit and being tight because it gives them something else to have a whinge about.

Crack on if it makes you feel better I’m not getting involved anymore.

32.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 00:07:15
? Rigsby I’m just making the point that we have the same sanitised matchday experiences as all the big clubs, but behave like a mid table team in the transfer market.

I’d rather we fully committed to going one way or the other.