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09 Nov 2017 08:57:32
Been so excited for this Sharkopod that i forgot my anniversary 😂

I demand compensation! My balls are now in her purse for the next 60 years!

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09 Nov 2017 09:26:29
Not the crazy lady who battered you, I hope MK!

09 Nov 2017 12:30:35
Has the latest one been posted yet lads?

10 Nov 2017 06:11:47
No way IOM! She's well shot. Her new bloke has took her to Dubai. Probably so that if she hits him he can have her stoned to death 😂.

10 Nov 2017 06:16:01
Not yet Kemlyn. Ed002 said he is going to blitz them all next week.

10 Nov 2017 08:43:54
To Dubai, MK?

It's not ED001 is it? Poor guy.

10 Nov 2017 09:33:23
Definitely not Ed001! She used to tell me this site was childish and i spent to much time on it. If 2-3 hours a day was too much, how on earth would she cope with Ed001 being on here for 22 hours a day and only breaking for 2 hours sleep?

10 Nov 2017 16:42:16
I hope Ed002 gives us some good news in terms of us looking at some quality players. Some players with strong mentality who know how to manage a game would be very welcome. I hope for a dominent centre back and as we have been looking for such a long time there is no excuse to get it wrong.

09 Nov 2017 08:46:52
I've been thinking about our game against West Ham, and i wonder if Klopp has stumbled onto a winning formula?

It reminded me of the way Leicester played when they won the league. Only better.

Imagine lining up next season with:

Salah
Firmino
Mane, Gini, Keita, Chambo
Moreno, VanDijk, DeVrij, Gomez
Karius

Solanke
Lallana
Meyer, Hendo, Grujic, Woodburn
Robbo, Lovren, Matip, Arnold
Ward

The 4-4-1-1 formation eliminates the need for an out and out holding midfielder.

Sorry lads, its international break and I'm bored already 😂.

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10 Nov 2017 16:45:35
Hi MK you make a lot of good posts but I hope next year our first 11 does not include Moreno, Karius, Chambo and if it does we will be bang in trouble and will have gone sideways in the last 2 years.

09 Nov 2017 08:53:50
If FC leaves is brandt a possibilty?

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09 Nov 2017 13:55:34
Filip?

09 Nov 2017 18:15:27
If FC leaves, we'll be known only as "Liverpool". It would be a sad day, if Football Club left Liverpool =[.

09 Nov 2017 20:36:33
Liverpool Brandt doesn’t exactly roll off of the tongue does it? I much prefer FC?

10 Nov 2017 06:10:15
I dunno.

Liverpool brandt

Looks like a weird name for a Football Club.

10 Nov 2017 17:38:17
Liverpool BDT has a ring to it.

08 Nov 2017 22:57:26
Is peter Beardsley overlooked due to his chisled features!? 🤔😎✌
What a player 👌👌.

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08 Nov 2017 18:55:34
PSG are looking to sell lucas moura, I know he is not a defender but does anyone know if Liverpool would be interested.

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08 Nov 2017 07:49:59
Ed002 getting some serious abuse on the Chelsea page. We still love you Ed!

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08 Nov 2017 18:05:31
Ed just tells it as it is. Honestly don’t get why people give him grief. You’re a legend ed002.

{Ed002's Note - I appreciate that my input is appreciated.}

08 Nov 2017 21:41:10
You really are Eds 02, without you and Eds 01 I wouldn't be here, mks, Ron and dare I admit it Harry might get me to check in every now and again but from you and 01 I've learnt a lot, don't let the the trolls get you down.

{Ed002's Note - I understand that we have cleared the decks a bit and we can make it a good two way stream - and I appreciate that there are folks who are looking for the right level of cross-communication. But thanks.}

09 Nov 2017 07:36:54
All of you eds are greatly appreciated, shame there's the odd people willing to give you guys hassle for reasons which are beyond me.

We have Ed001 with his articles and incredible knowledge, the man is like a human football encyclopedia. We have Ed002 who brings us all this inside transfer information and ACCURATE information that is! yet people give them hassle? it makes me wonder it really does.

Big thank you to you eds for the hard work you put in, you've got me hooked on the website.

09 Nov 2017 07:45:52
Ed, it also proves that you have no partisan bias. Some folks just don’t like to hear it as it is.

07 Nov 2017 00:19:19
Lucky old West Ham, David Moyes is a football genius.

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06 Nov 2017 16:40:28
Harry i get the impression you will never be happy because your idea of perfect football is quite simply not in line with Klopp.

You need to detach yourself from this recent obsession with roles and how every team needs to have a playmaker, a striker and whatever else you think is a necessary requirement.

For a start, a playmaker can play anywhere nowadays. Hazard is Chelsea's main playmaker and his starting position is out wide. He cuts in field and drops deeper but ultimately, he is a winger. As unorthodox a winger as he is, that is where he lines up. A complete contrast to the guy opposite him, Pedro. Pedro plays more like a striker. So when Hazard drifts in behind Morata, Pedro pushes on alongside Morata and their front 3 morphs into a front 2 with Hazard behind.

Our system is similar except that Firmino is the playmaker and his starting position is a striker. He drops into "the hole", and Salah and Mane take up the striker positions. Our front 3 also morphs into a 2 with Firmino behind, but the players have all started in different places.

City are different though. Their preferred system is to have a single out and out striker (Aguero/ Jesus) with two playmakers in behind him. They then also commit Sane and Sterling forward as what is almost a pair of wingers who play as narrow as the 18 yard box. Being so narrow allows the wing backs to bomb on still without getting in each others way, but means that the "wingers" have to play low driven crosses in to Aguero/ Jesus.

Our midfield is there to press and win the ball in dangerous areas. City's is their to create. Our striker is there to create. City's strikers are there to score. Our wingers are there to score most of our goals. City's wingers are there to put dangerous passes across the box. Completely contrasting attacking styles, but equally as effective in my opinion.

You are right that we don't have an orthodox advanced playmaker, but that doesn't mean we need one just because City have two. We have our own philosophy to perfect and when we do it'll be just as great to watch. City just have more money to fast track what Guardiola wants. We are having to be more patient.

The point is, we don't need Coutinho in midfield. He hasn't ever played there regularly for us, so it's no loss that he isn't there now. Firmino is our main source of creativity, and that's fine. Aguero doesn't create as much but scores more. De Bruyne and Silva don't score as much as Salah and Mane, but they create more. Horses for courses my friend.

Football is no longer a rigid game where you can easily pigeon hole players to a certain role. It varies from team to team. I'm sorry that Klopp does not share your philosophy, but you need to come to terms with it buddy.

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06 Nov 2017 18:17:22
Am I the only one that sees sense in what Harry says. Sometimes the dude has different ideas to the regulars. For me I think he is right or on the right path in his beliefs more often than not.

06 Nov 2017 19:25:23
Well apparently a broken clock is right twice a day.
Harry’s like a broken clock, without the hands.

{Ed025's Note - i think hes great mikey, top guy and top poster for me mate..

06 Nov 2017 21:00:55
There is definitely sense Walter. Harry is a clever guy with his own ideas on football. They are his personal views so they are not wrong either. He just needs to realise that Klopp has a different idea on how the game should be played which also isn't wrong.

06 Nov 2017 23:34:36
I do think we’re a top class keeper, centre back and centre midfielder away from being competitive, obviously Keita solves the midfield issue, as he’s top class by anyone’s definition, but centre back and keeper are still the glaring problems.

07 Nov 2017 02:41:24
Whilst I agree mostly MK I think what you haven't alluded too is the missing ingredient of Lallana which for me is the key that is missing in our midfield trio this season.

We do somewhat lack that spark a player of coutinho/ Lallana's ilk can bring through the middle where Lallana's work ethic imo makes him more adept at the role.

The usual three we have had to utilise this season are all very similar albeit with strengths in different areas but they all lack the quick thinking to take on a player and pop up with 10+ goals and assists.

For me and I'm sure partly what Harry is referring to in a round about way is that we do miss that spark of genius in the middle.

That being said you are correct that we are a work in progress and we will develop our style at a slower rate than that of teams with bottomless cash to throw at the team.

07 Nov 2017 02:44:36
Philippe Coutinho is a world class player. An actual Midfielder who doesn’t have a specific position due to the nature of his his style and skill.

Now a couple of wins without him doesn’t make him obsolete! I replete he is still the most expensive playmaker in the continent!

And he is the only actual playmaker we have with us!

07 Nov 2017 07:35:10
What makes him obsolete is his lack of interest in playing for lfc Harry.

07 Nov 2017 08:21:09
He's not Harry. I just explained that Firmino is our playmaker. Just because he doesn't play in the orthodox attacking midfield position, doesn't mean he isn't the main orchestrator of our play. Coutinho made himself obsolete when he started faking injuries and strolling around like he doesn't care. Nobody has said he is a bad player. Only that Salah and Mane are better wingers. You can't deny that. It is so blatantly true. Coutinho has never played attacking midfield for us regularly, so it's no loss that he isn't now. That is peoples point. If he wanted to play and was making an effort, I'd have him in the midfield in a heartbeat, as would everyone else.

JC23 makes a good point as well. Whilst Lallana isn't your typical playmaker who will play cutting passes in behind, he creates chances with intelligent and selfless running opening up spaces. Not to mention he turns over possession so high up that his tackles actually create chances. He might be primarily there to press, but we do miss him on the ball as well. Without him our team looks flat still. He links midfield to attack with his willingness to receive the ball in tight spaces.

I agree by the way Dennis. Centre back and keeper (be that Ward, Karius or a new keeper) added to Keita and we're good to go. Though i would love a holding midfielder and a right back on top of that. Offensively, i don't think we're bad at all. Keita pretty much is a box to box playmaker. Completely unorthodox, again though. I feel as though Harry has a predefined ideology of what a player should be and unless they fit his idea, they will never be good enough. In terms of my preferred philosophy of football, i am more in agreement with Harry than with Klopp to be honest, but i am open minded enough to appreciate Klopp has his own philosophy that has brought him massive success in the past. With a few tweaks here and there, he will get it working in the Premier League.

07 Nov 2017 14:31:56
Mk you also make good points. Keep up the good work.

07 Nov 2017 21:22:14
I like Harry, but he did recently lead me on and then let me down in favour of ed025 😡.

{Ed025's Note - im a far better catch than you ron thats why, i can be a bit of a lush at times mate..

07 Nov 2017 22:03:41
Yeah that's what Harry said.

08 Nov 2017 18:06:36
I don’t always agree with you MK. But you make reasonable points and constructive argument.

09 Nov 2017 01:24:55
Mk,

Like your contributions here but don't agree the point abt Firminio.

Yes, Coutinho is class and has his head turned.

Firminio does his best to put pressure on the final third and bring others into play which helps a lot.

But the fact is he is not a top drawer striker to put away the chances and not top quality playmaker. He is in between and needs to convert more or create more.

I am not saying he is not good but he is above average and not top in both these areas.

But think you are trying to shoehorn Firminio as our most creative or class playmaker is off the mark.

Yes, he does run his socks off but how long he could do that and if Coutino is off needs to be seen.

Since both are close and Coutinho ups his game when he has Firminio with him.

Cheers.

06 Nov 2017 09:32:10
Philippe Coutinho is a World class player. Up there with Silva and have not seen a single player at the club or in the league that would come any closer to him in what he does! I can't wait for him to come back and shut some people up!

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06 Nov 2017 09:59:22
What? He's hardly been world class this season though has he? it's alright bigging him up but he doesn't want to play for us I think that is pretty evident.

You can't wait for him to come back and ' shut people up' funniest thing here is he won;t be back for long before been sold. I don't want to see him in a Liverpool shirt again due to his behaviour since the summer. Call me harsh but I don't, he's disruptive and we have proved we don't need him. Sooner he's out the door the better, he's done nothing but spit his dummy out and hasn't performed to his potential.

I thought Coutinho as a person was much better then this, his attitude since the summer has proved otherwise.

06 Nov 2017 11:24:43
Get rid imo. Damaging influence on squad harmony and not even our best player anymore. Our front 3 seem to be doing fine without his through balls anyway so we can use his transfer fee to sign some decent defenders.

06 Nov 2017 16:02:02
Harry his head is and has been all season in Barcelona, sometime you just have to cut your losses, no doubting his ability but if he does not honour the shirt then he does not deserve to wear it.

06 Nov 2017 21:17:17
He used to be our best player hasn't been for a year now.

06 Nov 2017 23:50:09
Are you suggesting he’s the best player in the Premier League? Surely not!

07 Nov 2017 10:09:27
No that is not what i said.

07 Nov 2017 22:04:28
Great player, but our team looks more balanced without him at the minute.

06 Nov 2017 09:29:55
with regards to the goalkeeper situation why does everybody keep saying give Karius a chance has he not had a chance in the champions league and has proven to be no better than Mignolet at all.

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06 Nov 2017 11:07:36
what a load of nonsense. he hasn't even been tested in the cl so how has he proved to be no better?

Karius can come off his line better than migs, has miles better distribution, Doesn't look like a deer in the headlights in 1 on 1's, is a better shot stopper.

to make it easier for you

migs only strength is penalty saving, karius only real weakness is catching high balls.

also karius will parry shots wide out of danger, migs parrys them back to the opporsition, infact he must be up there on assists for other teams.

06 Nov 2017 11:39:29
Deary me what a clueless post.

08 Nov 2017 14:47:19
Ward is the one I know least about. I'd love to have a look at him to see if he is the answer.

From what I've seen of Karius in a liverpool shirt I would be a little worried. That goal against Spartak was just horrendous. I think his shot stopping is a big weakness. He does do some things well do and I see him as an upgrade on Mignolet.

Ward, I see little weakness thus far other than general experience. He will make some mistakes but less than Mignolet. Mignolet is on such thin ice its not comfortable for him and us. Its only a matter of time. I think it's time to take him out now before things get worse.

 


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