19 Aug 2023 20:48:03
Thought the red was harsh, their will be many reds this year by if that’s the standard we are going to see this season, Slob looked very good but we still too wide open, also too many players not creating space just standing still asking for the ball, then knocking it back, the penalty depends on how you interpret the rules, if slob hadn’t jumped over the stretched out leg he would of been brought down, the rules say if intent is there then it is a foul, wish we could go back 30/ 40 years ago when we all knew what the rules was, football was more enjoyable then.

1.) 19 Aug 2023
19 Aug 2023 21:42:50
Howard Webb giving his patronising VAR PR gospel at Sky advocating balance and fairness. Joke! Embarrassing decisions and we’re only two games in. Sort is out Webb!

2.) 19 Aug 2023
19 Aug 2023 22:04:43
Harsh?

It was just a terrible decision.

{Ed025's Note - take the red specs off Ron, it was correct mate..

3.) 19 Aug 2023
19 Aug 2023 22:36:20
The standard of refereeing in the premier league is p*as poor and that’s the issue, VAR is not the issue it’s the people implementing it that are the problem! I will never understand the clear and obvious rule around VAR which to me is just used as a catch all loophole to exonerate refs and VAR for making terrible decisions.

The ref association have way too much power and now bring in rules which prohibit a player even asking the ref a question for fear of being booked for dissent? Couple that with the fact that a ref never has to explain his decision and if a manager says anything negative they are fined. all the while you have Webb spouting off about transparency I mean seriously! Very reminiscent of a certain tyrants regime….

4.) 19 Aug 2023
19 Aug 2023 22:38:06
Come on Ed025. there’s a few of those tables in every game every week. Like when strikes are chasing a ball down and catch the defender as he clear it.

Your entitled to your opinion, but your being as harsh as the red card mate.

{Ed025's Note - it is just that Kay...an opinion, i seen it as late, reckless, high and dangerous mate, if that had happened to a liverpool player you would all have wanted him sent off im sure..

5.) 19 Aug 2023
19 Aug 2023 23:49:15
It wasn’t correct, it wasn’t endangering an opponent, the ref got it wrong.

6.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 00:42:07
We all agree the standard of refereeing has been shocking for years, so the authorities answer is to add more referees to make it better?, just more snouts in the trough for me, whilst spending most of their time covering up the cock ups.

7.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 01:41:51
Even Iraola (Bournemouth manager) told he feels in real life it didn't feel like a red. there ain't any red tinted glass mate.

8.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 02:45:11
We had very similar incident in the Newcastle game and the Spurs game, high boot challenge mistimed for a ball that was in the air resulting in studs first Contact and neither was given as a red. We need to be consistent.

9.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 04:53:50
The red card was wrong the replays show both players going for the ball, both at the same height, it wasn’t even that high. Some of the decisions, over the matches already played, show a cause for concern. The var refs have made massive mistakes which could affect teams seasons.

10.) 20 Aug 2023
19 Aug 2023 23:25:22
Ed025, sorry no red specs in this case. The foot was facing down, hanging not aggressive. Both were at similar heights . more of a coming together at most yellow. No dangerous or deliberate foul play. a ridiculous decision by an inexperienced ref. If that is the standard for bad tackles then the game is gone.

{Ed025's Note - it was not malicious Ben but it did look ugly mate, mistimed and over zealous i would say, Macca is not that type of player but even though it was borderline i can see why the red was given, he was a bit unlucky but i cant argue with the decision..

11.) 20 Aug 2023
19 Aug 2023 23:27:24
ED025 - reckless. how? He went for the ball, just like the other player. Do we want a none contact sport now?

Late. yes by a 0.005 second. Eyes only on the ball, trying to win it back in a good area.

High. er he caught him on the top of his foot, by his ankle?

Dangerous. he actually had his studs down and it was the side of his foot that caught him. Both players had their feet in the air.

What the Man U keeper did the other night was more dangerous, reckless, high and late. That wasn't even given as a foul.

Come on mate. I love your responses normally but this one i just can't get my head around.

{Ed025's Note - even though it was a bit harsh Leeroy i can see why it was given, i agree with you over the Onana incident and consistency is a problem with refs, but if that was against a liverpool player on the receiving end you would all want him hung drawn and quartered, like you did with Pickford mate..

12.) 20 Aug 2023
19 Aug 2023 23:31:12
ED025 - first time I've read one of your response and thought you must be watching a different game. Can you explain how you think it was any of those things you mention? It was a bog standard clash you see often in games. Both players trying to win the ball and one being slightly quicker than the other. No malice in it whatsoever. The player clearly wasn't hurt or endangered. Yellow on we go. If that was the other way round and they got a red, I'd still say football is being ruined by poor officiating.

13.) 20 Aug 2023
19 Aug 2023 23:34:15
Ed025, correct me if I'm wrong because I've heard it over a hundred times in commentary during games and written on here also, over many years: "two studs up is a red card, one stud up is a yellow". And I've seen the rule exercised many many times. Tell me I'm wrong and that I'm hallucinating.

{Ed025's Note - as far as i know its the context rather than written in stone ArAy, it was a poor challenge and probably borderline but i can see why it was given mate..

14.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 00:45:04
Ed 25. Your usually fair and unbiased.
I think you believe it was a red, but my opinion is your wrong on this occasion.


It was a tiny bit high.
Yellow. Never a red.

On the refs, why can't we take some pointers from rugby?

{Ed025's Note - the standard of refereeing is poor MLG, there have been some shocking decisions by them already mate, but i just dont think the sending off yesterday was one of them..

15.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 07:31:19
Mac actually tried to pull his leg away yet a few days ago united goalie took 2 players out off the ball and nothing was given for it. I've seen much worse than Macs tackle get no cards with even studs in people's faces not getting sent off. It was a terrible decision an out of everyone, even pundits, I've only seen ed25 saying it was a red.

{Ed025's Note - my first instinct was that it was a red TSH, i can see why people think it was harsh mate but it is what it is..

16.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 07:38:16
Can’t wrap my y head around your response Ed, you are usually balanced and fair, but I don’t see how you watch that tackle and think ‘red card’. Zero malice, not even particularly strong contact, no follow through, it was a 50/ 50 he was slightly late for but he didn’t endanger the opponent at all. We’ll have to agree to disagree but I think you’re well wide of the mark on this one.

{Ed025's Note - and i can see why you think that Seano as it was borderline, probably looked worse than it was but i can see why it was given mate..

17.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 06:59:04
Sorry Ed 25 I don’t agree with you at all. I listened to the game on the radio, the commentators felt the penalty call and red were wrong decisions. Having now seen both incidents, I agree. I don’t think it should have been a pen, and there was nothing reckless or dangerous in Mac’s red, I didn’t even think it was that forceful. I do think footy is getting a bit too soft now…. but that is my opinion.

{Ed025's Note - its all about opinions MOT but in real time as soon as i seen it i said red, i can see why some think it was a yellow mate but that was an incident where i dont think even VAR could overturn it..

18.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 07:07:17
Sorry Ed25 that just isn’t a red mate.

There was a number of similar tackles yesterday all yellow cards.

There was just no force behind it. It was a bouncing ball they’ve both gone for and naturally one gets there a fraction before the other.

{Ed025's Note - it was a tight call Wassa i grant you, borderline yes but i have no problem with the outcome mate..

19.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 07:27:17
Never a red, it was a 50/ 50 ball, which both players played for and which both players had their foot up at the SAME height and both trying to side foot it. Unless I'm mistaken football is still a contact sport and not some kind of dance or ballet. Ed25 I think senior citizens get eye tests for free, might want to put in an appointment with spec savers mate lol.

{Ed025's Note - you could be right FB, i might ask the optician to prescribe me ones with a bit of a red tint mate, they seem to be all the rage at the moment.. :)

20.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 08:03:35
Protecting players is really important, protecting the game I grew with is is paramount. I dread to think what football will look like in years to come. The stop start with var, handballs In the box, 10 minutes of added time and these crazy calls for red cards.

What was so bad with leaving the linesman to call offside, letting the ref decide if handball was deliberate or accidental and letting two teams go at it physically.

21.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 08:33:22
Ed025, fair play regarding your opinion of the sending off as like you said it’s determined by individual interpretation however if the sending off is appealed which Im in no doubt it will be, in your opinion do you think common sense will prevail and it will be overturned or are you still of the impression it was a valid sending off?

{Ed025's Note - i personally dont think it will be rescinded Jaydee, it was a close call but still a red for me im afraid mate..

22.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 08:54:11
I don’t know why the ref can’t call to review it himself on such a big shout, go to the monitor and see it again before making his decision.

If he calls it after that then fine as it’s always a little bit subjective, but IMO if that’s a red, then a lot of 50/ 50 tackles are going to be red cards this season if we’re going to be consistent. I’m not sure I want to see the game going down the route of players pulling out of tackles in case they get them the slightest bit wrong and sent off.

23.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 09:02:03
Everyone should prob get off ed25s back a bit now he's explained why he thinks it's a red even though most if not all of us disagree. No point trying to convince him its going around in circles and he's probably got other things to be getting on with.

{Ed025's Note - well i have got a lot of ironing piling up TSH, cheers mate.. :)

24.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 09:06:00
I don’t think it was a yellow let alone a red and I have seen very few people agree with the decision.

25.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 09:57:06
imo, it's a harsh red, but his foot was up which means it's unlikely to be turned over on appeal.

26.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 09:43:03
Over zealous? ?
Since when has being over zealous been punishable by a red card?

{Ed025's Note - when you are late and try to amputate your opponent?.. :)

27.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 10:39:45
On the positive it gives endo a great chance to make the no. 6 role his own, let’s hope that Jones is fit enough for the next game. A midfield 3 of endo, Jones and Szbo is not too shabby if you ask me!

28.) 20 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 10:54:17
As far as I’m aware (could have changed because almost every other rule has) the standard is:

Foot up off the ground ✅
Contact made ✅
Out of control ❌

He was not out of control, 2 feet off the ground is automatically ‘out of control’. In fact, as someone else pointed out Mac A pulled back a little when he saw the man - so it was completely controlled.
He was just beaten to the bouncing ball by a fraction of a second. It happens, many many times, it’s a yellow card.

As for Ed025, he has his view and I think we all respect it. There is no consensus on this decision in wider football so Ed025 is just coming at it from a different point of view.

{Ed025's Note - good assessment that Ron..

29.) 21 Aug 2023
20 Aug 2023 13:11:52
But that's not over zealous or 'borderline', Ed025.
You can't seem to make your mind up whether it was 'over zealous' and a 'borderline' red card or an attempt to 'amputate'.
You're all over the place, mate.

{Ed025's Note - I got fed up using the term “borderline” in every reply Rigsby. Maybe I answer too many posts mate..