18 Sep 2016 09:38:56
Ed001 not Liverpool related, but knowing you don't rate Fabregas, it got me thinking about who is the most over rated player in the premier league. I have never seen what Oscar adds to Chelsea, but for some reason managers keep picking him. Thoughts all?

{Ed001's Note - there are so many just at Chelsea, let alone the rest of the league. Moses, what does he offer? Pedro, never a footballer. Cahill, not good enough. Choosing the most overrated is difficult because different people rate different players.}

1.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 10:28:07
De Gea for me. I think he is a very good goalkeeper. Arguably the best in the Premier League (although I have high hopes for Karius and personally much prefer Begovic, Cech and Lloris) .

But he is always referred to as world class and occassionally even branded the best in the world which is frankly ridiculous. Buffon, Neuer, Oblak etc are the only keepers right now who deserve to be in that discussion.

Best shot stopper in the world? Yeah I can entertain that argument. I'd say he is the best at blocking shots with his feet as well. But i still think his kicking is erratic and he is still dodgy on crosses. Not only that but he does not organise his defence at all.

As I say, I do not think he is over rated because he is bad. I think he is over rated because he is not world class; yet.

I'm going to put Courtois here as well. Often considered world class, but his problems are the complete opposite to De Gea. Terrible shot stopper, but very good at claiming crosses and the best distributor in the league (only because he can throw it so far and accurately) . He is also a fairly poor organiser though.

I think keepers just need to look good in highlights nowadays to be considered top class. The fact Mignolet has made it to the top kind of sums that up!

2.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 10:39:04
Seems like Conte is a bit of a one trick pony. He will make Chelsea defensively sound but whether his system is going to work to get his team to come back from being a goal or two down to winning a match is yet to be seen.

3.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 11:04:23
MK, I'm sorry mate that's a terrible shout, he's a fantastic keeper who if he played for us would make us really serious title contenders, he'd save us between 15 and 20 points a season! He's definitely world class.

Mine (and I've said it countless times before) is ibrahimovic or to a lesser extent harry Kane, that bellend Jason cundy last season was saying he could well end up in the Messi Ronaldo suarez class, hahaha laugh I nearly bought my own 🍻.

4.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 11:11:43
James McCarthy, imo.

Does literally nothing on a football pitch. He's decent technically and he's a big enough lad, but he has absolutely no bottle to put his body on the line, demand the ball or try to do anything remotely difficult with it when he does have it. As a result he doesn't tackle, doesn't pass the ball forward, doesn't get on it enough to dictate tempo, doesn't block off space or runs, doesn't intercept, doesn't get assists and doesn't score goals. Only for the fact that Martinez loved him, he'd have dropped out of the Premier League at least 2 years ago.

Koeman might sort his head out and get him to play, but I think it's more likely he'll just sell him.

{Ed001's Note - Wanyama is another one. Big lump but can't pass and has no positional sense at all.}

5.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 11:58:16
Hate to sound like a typical English/ lfc fan but Rooney has to be up there for me. Was once a brilliant player but has fallen so far in recent years and both English and Man U managers keep trying to shoe horn him into a team.

Bit like Gerrard in his final years, but he lacks the discipline and positional sense to play midfield and he lose of pace means he can't play up front effectively anymore. Can still play Hollywood balls but doesn't have the technique to put players through or create space in tight areas (like an iniesta) plus can't shoot from distance anymore so don't see how he can be a number 10 either.

Both England and United have far better players suited to playing number 10 and thing both would be miles better dropping him full stop tbh.

6.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 12:10:13
A year ago I'd have agreed with you Roland, but a handful of media outlets and commentators have caught on to the fact that he's not very good these days, so I'd say the tide is slowly turning in terms of Rooney still being highly rated. Although most of them go on about him needing to recapture his form rather than his lack of fitness and tendency to gain weight every summer, which he now struggles to lose, permanently ruining him.

Stephen Hunt has suggested in the papers this weekend that Mourinho's only still playing Rooney so that someone will still see the occasional bit of quality he can come up with and be fooled into buying him.

Wanyama's a good shout too.

7.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 12:34:40
I'd also add Ross Barkley to that list. Reminds me a bit of Rooney. He does have a lot of natural talent but doesn't know how to use it properly. Constantly makes the wrong decisions by trying to make something happen meaning he loses the ball constantly! Though Komen could coach him and make him into a real class player.

8.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 12:58:47
Chris smalling, there were people putting him amongst the best CBs in the league last year, he's terrible.

9.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 13:02:17
Definitely Willian for me. Fantastic from a dead ball but offers nothing from play, all the pace in the world, yet I don't think I've ever seen him take on a man. He'll do a couple of stepovers and pass it back into midfield when there's the opportunity to beat a man. Can't believe anyone rates hin highly.

10.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 13:27:13
Just my opinion Waro. I didn't say he was a bad keeper. I just don't see him as world class. For me, world class is being in the top 10 players in your position across world football. I'd put Neuer, Buffon, Oblak, Leno, Loris, Begovic, Cech, Bravo, Trapp and Sirigu above him right now. That's 10 just off the top of my head.

I'm not under sone illusion that he is a bad keeper. Definitely top 5 in the Premier league. But world class and In some peoples opinions already the world's best? No sorry. Not for me!

The definition of over rated is people thinking you are better than you are, not being a bad player. De Gea is almost universally over rated because he looks great on match of the day and the media have hyped him up to be far better than he really is. For me he is the bracket below world class, and not even worth discussing when it comes to the best keeper in the world debate.

11.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 13:45:24
Jack Wilshere has to be one of the most overrated players in football, yet alone the Premier League, only manages to stay fit for a couple of games a season and when he isn't injured he's bang average.

12.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 14:57:43
Wasn't having a pop at you MK, just think its a dodgy shout, he's absolutely top rank and is definitely the best keeper in the premier and in the top 3 in Europe. Of course your entitled to your opinion.

13.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 15:32:22
You would say Begovic is a better goalkeeper than De Gea? Seriously?
The last three managers at Chelsea have all said Courtois is better than Begovic and the argument that Courtois is better than De Gea is not a strong one at all. De Gea is only challenged by Keylor Navas and Manuel Neuer when it comes to being the best goalkeeper in the world. Without De Gea, United would have finished at least two places further down the table in both of the last two seasons, in fact I thought DDG should have won player of the year when Hazard did. Shockingly bad United side he took into the top four.

In reply to the main post, Cavani is not in the PL but I've always seen as massively overrated. Wilshere, Favregas and Rooney all good shouts, too. Kyle Walker is for some bizarre reason rated by many pundits, Benteke we know is not actually a very good player. Zlatan doesn't do enough to be considered as highly as he is, although is obviously hugely talented. Hazard, likewise, I think is a great player, but drilled up as better than he actually is. Hazard has moments of magic, but doesn't control a game like KDB does.

14.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 18:12:17
@MK Surely you can't think Sirigui is a better keeper than De Gea? And Begovic too?

I'm not his biggest fan but he's far better than those two. I'd say they're both past their best.

15.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 19:15:55
Rooney for me - good when younger but he's now well past it. Nowhere near as dangerous a striker as the likes of Aguero, Sturridge, Kane, Ibrahimavic, nor as creative as Firmino, De Bruyne, Hazard, Sanchez, Ozil, nor as effective in midfield as a whole string of others who can also pass, tackle and have better engines.

No idea why he's thought to be I undroppable apart from his length of service - thought Mou would be more ruthless than he has been. Surely with Pogba, Ibra etc. now they don't need him in the squad just to add character to the dressing room?

16.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 21:20:27
Alberto Moreno, some one told me he was a defender lol!

17.) 18 Sep 2016
18 Sep 2016 22:26:46
I would say Wilshere I mean I've heard the phrase your always better when you don't play but he takes it too another level. but this got me thinking of overrated managers and looking at our own doorstep and I was born in 1992 so never got a chance to see him manage the club the first time, but dalglish is always bigged up by our fans but all he could do was finish 7th after spending a load and with suarez which you all say is the sole reason why rodgers finished second so I don't know what Kenny was, doing to finish seventh with suarez.

and of course his league title at Blackburn was only won because he had all the money I mean by what many claim even hodgson could win a league title with suarez in his team so I don't know what your all insinuating about the king.