1.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 15:46:16
I don't know many other managers who had over £100m to spend in the summer, according to Brendan anybody spending £100m should be challenging for the league. It is absolutely the managers fault as it would be the managers credit if we were doing well. You absolutely have to accept fault as the front of house of a club, why do we have managers in the first place? Because they manage, motivate and put together a team otherwise the players would just operate by themselves. Its not the fact we lost, its the way we lost against a crap below ordinary Man Utd side. He has mis-managed Sterling, the big reason he hasn't signed on the dotted line yet is the fact his representatives are using one of his famous quotes 'the best young player in the world' against the club. You my mate need to get real, you need to see the bigger picture not the last 3 months worth of results. i'm surprised there are fans out there as small minded as yourself with the brass to slate every other Liverpool fan because they are voicing genuine concerns. Shocking.

2.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 18:18:02
The managers job is, at the very minimum, to consistently be qualifying for the CL. It looks as though BR will have failed 2 out of 3 years at the task (along with many other failings and some limited success). I guess we could see where a 4th year goes, but for me I'd say if top 4 is not achieved it's about time to look for someone else who can have a crack at it. Would a new man automatically succeed? Of course not, they may fail as well, and if so we try again.

We're 5th in wage bill and there is a strong correlation between league placement and wage bill, so 4th or better is a bit of overachievement in some ways, but finishing 5th or thereabouts also isn't success either but simple mediocrity based on how much we spend on players and transfers. For me, doing the expected is not good enough and 3 years on, a quarter billion spent, and a team composed largely of his own selection and we sadly do indeed look fairly mediocre.

3.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 18:37:21
The fact Brendan could get a string of results like that in the second half of the season, yet had us playing so dreadfully poor in the first half just shows how inconsistent he actually is. The team is much better than what our league position suggests, that's why Brendan is a failure and why he will go.

4.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 19:06:50
No101, what planet are you living on. He had us in relegation battle for first half of season. He used up all his get out jail free cards in that period. He had full financial backing to buy who he wanted, in order to cement a top 4 place.
He failed, we're fighting for a Uefa spot and that isn't guaranteed. Our criticism is fully justified, he's lucky to still be at the job tbh. Should of got rid in January. At the very least we should of been in a strong points position sitting in 4th with room to breathe from the 5th spot team.
Rodgers didn't promise us a young squad with great potential, he promised a title challenge. He failed, no excuses.

5.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 19:13:05
Anfield Apple,

You say you lost to a "crap below ordinary Man Utd side", really??

Coutinho is the only player you have that I rate, but I still wouldn't take him over Mata or Herrera!

In all seriousness, if we are crap, where do you really see Liverpool? Take your blinkers off first.

I honestly don't see you winning the Premier League any time soon.

6.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 19:31:41
Yep it's all BR's fault, blame him for everything that's the answer, last year he was just lucky and fudged his way to second which is an awful show as we should have won the league.all his fault we lost Suarez as well no doubt as we haven't missed him or Daniel at all.

It's fans who after 1 solitary defeat jump on a teams back, yes we started bad but we were missing 2 of our most important players from last season with a host of new ones came in. We did spend lots, would you rather FSG pocket it. would you have been happy wasting it an di Maria??? Our buys are starting to come good!!!!!! No doubt you were moaning about tjose as well.

The answer is to just sack the manager and start all over again, yep well said because that always works doesn't it, they are lining up to manage us, I heard Pep just can't wait to leave Munich so he can come to us with all our riches. lol lol

Every fan is allowed an opinion and mine is as I said, yours is different. If you want to rebuild every 5 minutes fine, not sure how you expect FSG to fund dreams under FFP but hey I'm the one who needs to get real and expect us to win the league because we spent some money. as we all know who ever spends the most wins the league so man U are odds on then for this season despite Chelsea running away with it!!!!

7.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 20:36:00
No101, who else it to blame? He's the manager, that's part and parcel of the job as he himself as even admitted.

Why do we need to 'start all over again' if/when we get a new manager? Chelsea, City, and United generally seem to do just fine with new managers, as did Southampton this year.

There are no guarantees, as I said before, but at some point if it's not working you have to try something different. It may work out, it may not, and if it doesn't we simply keep trying.

8.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 20:41:37
Mikey, as much as I agree to you point that our team is better than its position in the league, I must say that Rodgers was initially responsible for that level of consistency we achieved. Before he came around we were not even spoken about in terms of challenging and played a sad game ever game, so for that I will be grateful.

Currently his management in-game, versatility and transfer policy is poor. The latter two can be taken care of once we have someone above him to make necessary judgements and I feel the first one can be worked on

My point is, I do not consider him a failure(or a big success for that matter) considering the position we were in before he took charge. Moreover, when I look at a lot of managers, I do not feel really positive and he's the best we've got at the moment

9.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 20:49:09
No 101 I agree with you we can't keep rebuilding under different managers, we are still in the running for fourth with a massive game against Arsenal coming up. Still in with a chance of a trophy and reached the semi finals of another, and a run of one loss in the league this year, Rodgers is a very good young manager that needs at least another season.

10.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 20:57:54
Scot bos Tbf a crap team is harsh but are just as biased if you think Coutinho is the only player who'd get into Man U's team and that Herrera is better!

Bein honest. de gea miles ahead of mignolet, defensively let's be honest can pick from either side but not a lot to choose between them as all under par, but. henderson, sterling, coutinho, and sturridge easily walk in Man U's team. Just as rooney, carrick, mata and de gea easily walk ours.

Say what you want RVP is spent, falcao and di Maria deserve their place on your bench and how they've played this season would be sat on ours! Rojo is GBH waiting to happen and Fellaini tbh may be a personal thing but think is a limited player and his success against us reflects worse on BR then it makes him look good.

We deserve to finish outside of fourth but isn't to do with Man U or arsenal being stellar this season, more to do with us being worse

11.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 21:16:33
Fact remains that he has spent over £100m and we have regressed.

12.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 21:32:35
No101 yes we lost Suarez, and guess what, we didn't replace him or anyone half as good as him, he has failed and he will never win the Champions League or the Premiership, we are even struggling to qualify!!!! our European display was embarrassing, i hope BR turns it around as i would love it, i don't hate him, i think he is a good coach but inexperienced as a manager, he is improving, but at our expense, that's how i feel at the moment.
As for the players he has wasted money on and had to send out on loan it's a bad joke! we could have bought some real quality with that money, instead he bought bargain basement players who were sent out on loan? is that good management? i want him to do well because i want the club to be up there competing with the rest.

13.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 22:18:49
BR will be evaluuated for his WHOLE tenure here and not for the half seasons where we play good footie. Heis blunders will be well documented and will be used in that process and no nitpicking will be done like many do on here just to drive home the point that BR is a good manager whereas evidence of the contrary exists. If he doesn`t get top 4, he will go REGARDLESS of what anyone thinks IMO because he is sole responsible for our troubles because he was given the dough, the backing of the board and the fans. His bluunders can no longer be papered over and that shold worry him and his apologists a great deal.

14.) 24 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 22:20:20
So we should judge a manager on a run of games instead of months and months of bad preformances?

15.) 25 Mar 2015
24 Mar 2015 23:40:53
We regressed the minute the club sold Suarez.
Regardless of what type of person he was.
He was our best player.
He was the League's best player.
What would happen to Barca if they got rid of Messi or if Ronaldo left Madrid?
Would they regress?
Of course they would.
And in my opinion the next best option was Sanchez and the club tried to get him in.
Would Barca's fans rather have 200 million in the bank or Messi on the pitch?
There is a reason why these players cost what they do. It's because they are brilliant footballers.
I find it bizarre that having watched Suarez for 3 seasons some of our fans think it would just be business as usual come the start of the season with no drop off in performance or adjustment of the way we play.
We are talking about the 3rd best player in the world in my opinion.
We regressed as soon as the ink dried on that transfer.
And Rodgers can't be blamed for that.
It was a club decision.
I can understand why the club did what it did but you have to put this season into the context that we sold an absolute genius of a footballer and we came so close to winning the league based largely on that genius of a footballer.
They don't grow on trees.
And he was 26 and in his absolute prime.
Football is not like Football manager or Fifa.
You don't just swap players every year and they just start playing like they have played together all their lives with no settling in period.
It's about partnerships and trust all over the pitch.
We brought in Markovic, Lovren, Lambert, Balo, Can, Moreno, Lallana and Manquillo into the first team squad.
If anyone thought that we would be at the same level as last year at the start of this season then they need their heads testing.
Add to that the fact that Rodgers has made some glaring mistakes, which is normal for a young manager and it's quite clear why we are where we are.
And if FSG think that there would be no drop in performance by selling Suarez and buying all these players then they have seriously dropped in my estimations, and I actually hold them in high regard.
If they do sack the manager then they will do so knowing that they contributed to his sacking by selling the best player in the team the year before and not giving the manager enough time with these new players.
They can't just wash their hands of blame in this situation by pinning it on the manager when they sold who they did.
He was an idiot but put a ball at his feet and he was dynamite and FSG sold him, that alone makes them slightly culpable for what has happened since.
As a club I would hope that FSG will sit down with Rodgers and have a meeting in which they both accept that there are lessons to learn on both sides and that given what has happened this year we can come out of it stronger and together.
The buck does not only lie with Rodgers, it also lies with our owners.
I really like FSG as well but I am not having this hang the manager out to dry BS when they did the equivalent of selling our Messi.

{Ed001's Note - when you sell a great player, you can use the money to improve the overall team. For instance, when Everton sold Rooney, they built a team with the money. We brought in a bunch of mismatched individuals for positions we didn't need, in the main. For the priority position, striker, Rodgers blocked numerous options so we ended up with just Lambert and Balotelli to replace Suarez.

If Rodgers was a great, or even a good, manager, he would have found a way to replace him with players that made a difference. Just like when we lost Keegan but brought in Dalglish.}

16.) 25 Mar 2015
25 Mar 2015 06:50:50
who would people like to take over if Rodgers does go? I can't decide tbh I'd rather get an established manager who has a proven track record but I can't think of any that will come without champions league football.

17.) 25 Mar 2015
25 Mar 2015 07:41:47
When we lost Keegan and Bought Daglish we were the best team in Europe.
When we sold Suarez we were the 2nd best team in the league and not even in Europe.
We have brought in players to build a squad Ed. My point is being trigger happy before they are truly settled into the club.
Who could we have bought that would have guaranteed the same return as Suarez would have produced?
No-one.
So why did we not just say no because at the time he was irreplaceable?
Who did Rodgers block?
I know Remy but who else?
I bet he would have wanted to block the transfer of Luis if he could have done.
I thought we had a committee to look at players but it seems by what you are saying that it's just Rodgers at the end of the day.
If that is the case then why have a committee?

{Ed001's Note - how could we say no when he was forcing his way out? I am sick of this nonsense, he went for the same reason Keegan and Souness did - money. They were all only interested in making more money and forced their way out of the club. When we bought Keegan we were the best TEAM in Europe, but we didn't have the best players. That is the difference between now and then, as now we still don't have the best players, but we don't have the best team either.
We didn't need to build a squad, we needed to improve the team, but we made the same mistake every manager since Paisley has made, buying squad players, rather than first team players.
We didn't need to buy one player to produce what Suarez did, we needed to make a team that produced better than we did the previous year. This is a pointless conversation, as this point is nonsense, it is never about replacing like for like, Dalglish was not bought to replace Keegan, but to play alongside him. Keegan was never replaced, we just changed the way we played.
Rodgers ruled out a number of possibilities that were put to him, Lacazette was one, Bony was another, Remy got as far as having a medical before Rodgers ruled him out too.
We have a committee, they gave me lots of choices, he rejected them all. I am not saying it is just Rodgers, I am saying he blocked the options presented to him. That is why we ended up with a last minute desperation move for Balotelli.
As for wanting to block the transfer of vampira, the guy was a piece of crap who forced his way out of the club, willing to go to court to leave if necessary, why do people still defend him? Why do people still pine after him like a girlfriend that has dumped them? He is gone, because he didn't want to be here, move on.}

18.) 25 Mar 2015
25 Mar 2015 08:29:09
I don't like Suarez Ed and do not pine for him.
I also agree with a lot, well pretty much everything there.
But regardless of who he was and what he did.
He was a great footballer.
And they are hard to come by.
Why did we not sort a replacement first?
Your argument about buying 1st team players rather than squad players is so true.
The problem is that 1st team players do not want to sit on the bench and today's game is about "the squad".
Find 22 1st teamers who understand that sometimes they will have sit on the bench and all have the same quality and you are onto a winner.
Hard that though.

{Ed001's Note - we did not sort a replacement because Rodgers turned down all the options given to him.

You don't need 22 first team players, you just only buy a couple of first team players each season. You then have those new players fighting for the positions already occupied, plus a few youth players to pad out the gaps in the squad. That means no player is defo stuck on the bench, they all have a chance to play.}

19.) 25 Mar 2015
25 Mar 2015 08:49:33
If he turned everyone down then that backs up my point about selling the toothy wonder in the first place.
If a club comes to buy a first team player from us then why don't the club analyse what they need whilst keeping the the other club waiting.
That is what we did with the Carroll transfer.
Anyway ed001. nice chatting fella. off to work.
Basing not bashing. ha ha still laughing.

{Ed001's Note - because he forced his way out, you can't just keep players against their will, there are laws against that.}

20.) 25 Mar 2015
25 Mar 2015 09:58:39
Ed01,

Adequatley replacing Suarez cannot be laid at the feet of Rodgers. We've been dreadul in the transfer market for so many years, absolutley dreadful.

It must be frustrating as a manager when any target you seem to want, you never get and you end up getting the 2nd string list. How many players have we been after during Rodgers reign, and for one reason or another, it falls over at the final hurdle and we don't get them? (Salah, Mkhitaryan, Costa, Willian, Konoplyanko, Sanchez for example)

And for this years crop that we're available to replace Suarez, wow. Bony, Remy, Ballotelli, Lacazette? I haven't seen anything of Lacazette but the others? I'm not sure about you but I wouldn't be licking my lips as a manager with that list to replace porbably the worlds 3rd best player.

You're right about getting a team to replace Suarez instead, but does that mean it has to happen in 1 season? All our buys were young kids, and in fairness, they're doing pretty well and there is certainly potential in the team.

By the way, I'm not advocating Rodgers and his transfers. A simple list will show you a far higher failure percentage of buys, no doubt about that. His transfer record since he's been here has been poor, but the replacement of Suarez this season was always going to be tough, since we never seem to be in a position to get the very best, we always seem to getting 2nd and 3rd choices.

So, to summarise:

Is Rodgers poor in the transfer market? Yes

Would I blame him for not replacing Suarez though? No

{Ed002's Note - I have explained why each of those players did not join before: (a) Mkhitaryan was never going to happen due to the price being too high and Shakhtar wanting a single payment. It would have been dependent on the sale of Suarez. (b) As for Salah, the club's valuation of the player was miles away from what Basal would consider acceptable - hence there being no negotiation. This was made worse by Brendan Rodgers saying that they were not sure if the player was good enough for England and that is why they would not offer anything like a reasonable amount of money on such a high-risk purchase. The player and his club both, quite rightly, found this offensive. (c) The Dnipro owner was always likely to want to keep Konoplyanka. (d) Willian was a player Liverpool were interested in, but they did not offer enough money to buy him. (e) Costa was not going to happen without selling Suarez - because of the money and because he was seen as his replacement. (f) Sanchez was never going to happen.

All of this was explained at the time.}

21.) 25 Mar 2015
25 Mar 2015 09:58:39
Ed01,

Adequatley replacing Suarez cannot be laid at the feet of Rodgers. We've been dreadul in the transfer market for so many years, absolutley dreadful.

It must be frustrating as a manager when any target you seem to want, you never get and you end up getting the 2nd string list. How many players have we been after during Rodgers reign, and for one reason or another, it falls over at the final hurdle and we don't get them? (Salah, Mkhitaryan, Costa, Willian, Konoplyanko, Sanchez for example)

And for this years crop that we're available to replace Suarez, wow. Bony, Remy, Ballotelli, Lacazette? I haven't seen anything of Lacazette but the others? I'm not sure about you but I wouldn't be licking my lips as a manager with that list to replace porbably the worlds 3rd best player.

You're right about getting a team to replace Suarez instead, but does that mean it has to happen in 1 season? All our buys were young kids, and in fairness, they're doing pretty well and there is certainly potential in the team.

By the way, I'm not advocating Rodgers and his transfers. A simple list will show you a far higher failure percentage of buys, no doubt about that. His transfer record since he's been here has been poor, but the replacement of Suarez this season was always going to be tough, since we never seem to be in a position to get the very best, we always seem to getting 2nd and 3rd choices.

So, to summarise:

Is Rodgers poor in the transfer market? Yes

Would I blame him for not replacing Suarez though? No

{Ed002's Note - (b) Mkhitaryan was never going to happen due to the price being too high and Shakhtar wanting a single payment. It would have been dependent on the sale of Suarez. (b) As for Salah, the club's valuation of the player was miles away from what Basal would consider acceptable - hence there being no negotiation. This was made worse by Brendan Rodgers saying that they were not sure if the player was good enough for England and that is why they would not offer anything like a reasonable amount of money on such a high-risk purchase. The player and his club both, quite rightly, found this offensive. (c) The Dnipro owner was always likely to want to keep Konoplyanka. (d) Willian was a player Liverpool were interested in, but they did not offer enough money to buy him. (e) Costa was not going to happen without selling Suarez - because of the money and because he was seen as his replacement. (f) Sanchez was never an option.

All of this was explained at the time.}

22.) 25 Mar 2015
25 Mar 2015 13:47:18
Ed002,

Thanks for the breakdown. I think it just highlights my point.

We cannot secure our top priority target(s), regardless of the reason, we do not get our top target(s).

I feel for Rodgers a little in that, although he's made a number of transfer mistakes.

Imagine you're a Formula 1 driver. You're driving around in a Mercedes and finish the season in 2nd. The vehicle then get's sold. The following season, the team come up to you and say we've drawn up a list of replacements:

A Ford Focus, a Fiesta & Nissan Micra.

And we'll let you buy 3 of each for good measure.

LOL

23.) 25 Mar 2015
25 Mar 2015 21:15:26
Nail on head Jimmy.

24.) 26 Mar 2015
26 Mar 2015 00:52:46
JH, I don`t l don`t think you read all the info Ed001 just posted or if you did, you failed to catch the message. BR is SOLELY responsible for not replacing Suarez not like for like BT in a more strategic way. The Bonys, Lacazettes or Remys amongst many others were rejected by him and we ended up w/ Balo and Lambert who can`t get a game. HIS FAULT! Now your analogy of formula 1 to football is a false comparison and if you read ED01`s note, you would know that. Example is when Fergie sold Ronaldo, he did not buy a like for like replacement nor buy 9 players to bild the squad. He simply bought Valencia (cos he need a wide player) and reinvented the way the team played and kept the money. BR could have done something similar to this and we would have been in better shape

25.) 26 Mar 2015
26 Mar 2015 12:38:25
How can you be Solely responsible if you have a committee of people deciding transfers?
I agree on signing less players though.
We should have tested out more of the academy players.
It may be controversial but why not have kept the Lallana money for example and just not sent texeira on loan.
Or not signed Balotelli and promoted Sinclair?
I do blame the manager for some of that because he should know that the academy players are a very good standard and need incorporating into the squad.
The manager would get even more credit for it as well, from the press, fans etc.

26.) 26 Mar 2015
26 Mar 2015 14:51:53
Redohio,

As jonnybarnes89-90 stated, how can you be soley responsible when there's a committee? Doesn't make any sense.

Let's address Suarez. After his departure, we needed a striker. That is an absolute fact. We were pretty thin anyway but him leaving left us bereft of a position and quality. Ed01 mentioned building a team, no argument but as part of that team building, a striking option still had to be addressed. So as manager, you are then presented with a number of options, of which are Bony, Remy, Lambert, Ballotelli & Lacazette. I'm sorry, but the drop in quality is huge. You can sugar coat it and spin it whichever way you want, replacing Suarez with those options only meant 1 result, a much poorer replacement.

Ronaldo left United in the 2009/10 season, however United were reigning Premier League & Champions League winners at the time of his departure, so it's impossible to compare that scenario with ours as both teams were in completley diffent positions. Comparing Ronaldo leaving with Suarez completely ignores every other facet of the football club at that point in time. United were already a successful outfit with top class players, experienced players that had won the Premier League numerous times, with arguably one of the greatest managers of all time, and we, on the other hand had finished 7th, then remarkably 2nd and only 2 seasons into a tenure of Rodgers, and a club that had not won the league for 25 years. And let's not forget some of the horrendus buys old Whiskey Nose bought either.

{Ed002's Note - Lacazette was not an option. Rodgers decided he did not want Remy, Bony could have happened but he signed Lambert and Balotelli. Previously he had chosen Aspas. You have to accept he is dreadful when it comes to transfers and that is why the committee was put in place. Since then there have been extensive changes to the scouting staff.}

27.) 26 Mar 2015
26 Mar 2015 15:26:24
Ed002,

No question Rodgers is pretty dreadful in the transfer market. I agree. I'm just stating the fact that replacing Suarez was never going to be easy with the list of players drawn up as replacements. Now you mentioned Lacazatte was not an option, again just highlights how poor that list was, as this Lacazette fella seems all the rave at the moment. I've never seen him play in fairness.

{Ed002's Note - It doesn't show anything of the kind.}