28 Aug 2016 14:42:36
Just came across this and wholeheartedly agree.

This is spot on by Paul Tomkins:

'I think that when fans of a certain disposition craved Klopp – when they hounded John Henry with every tweet – they were actually just wanting his Dortmund team, and his Dortmund success. They didn’t want the process where his Dortmund side went from average to outstanding over two-to-three years, probably because they didn’t even notice it – unless they were keen Bundesliga aficionados. They just saw the exciting team Dortmund had become and thought “want that”. Sure, but how did Klopp make it? '

You wanted Klopp, we've got Klopp. Stop the moan and enjoy the ride.

1.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 14:54:04
Couldn't agree more. You can't just click your fingers and expect success, even Man City with their millions took a few seasons, as did Chelsea post Abramovic.

Patience is what we need right now.

2.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 15:20:02
Just been watching the West Brom v Middlesboro game. and wondered what people's opinions are of Danny Ayala, and does anyone think he would have broke into the First team at Liverpool, had he stayed.

{Ed001's Note - I loved Danny, he was a really nice lad and had real ability on the ball. Injuries cost him a chance sadly.}

3.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 15:24:30
You are looking at owners Zeddicus in which case Fsg have had plenty of time. Mourinho won immediately (on both times at Chelsea), even Di Matteo won the Champions League, Hiddink in his short spell ( Fa Cup) Rafa in his short spell (Europa Cup) Mancini only needed his first full season to win the league at City.

4.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 15:29:23
Savvy 👏👏👏👏👏.

5.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 15:43:40
Suso is another one who I felt could have made it if given a proper chance Liver La, looked better than Sterling in the u21s.

6.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 15:48:16
Some fans have been brain washed . 😂😂😂.

7.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 15:49:51
Tbh i don't think our start to the season has been too bad. It could have been better, or it could have been worse.

Win against arsenal was hard to watch by the end i didn't know what was going to happen. But when we were at it, we were good but again let ourselves get cut apart.

We played poor against Burnley they sat back and we couldn't break them down. This highlights again we have trouble breaking down teams who sit back and defend. Hopefully Klopp is already working with the boys to try and make us more deadly!

Draw to spurs away was okay i thought. I only saw us on match of the day as was driving up to Scotland yesterday but looked like on a different day we would have taken the win. Not sure if Dier was slightly offside. One thing i will say which was interesting was the commentator said the refs had gone round and said shirt pulling in the box is a pen, Was given at City so how vertongen got away with it i don't know, could have been carded then sent off for the second challenge but as we know this is how footy works. Again i didn't see the full game to spurs but it looked like we should have really won it with what chances came out way.

Wish we could have made it 6 points but spurs/ arsenal away getting 4 points is decent, if we could have done better at Burnley we might have had 7 and people wouldn't be moaning about us having a shitty start then.

It takes time to really get home what Klopp wants the players to do, some look like they are taking to it quickly Mane for example is on fire but others look a little lost GW, Hendos had a slower start but that's okay we should improve.

{Ed001's Note - he wouldn't have got a card as they have decided a penalty is enough punishment now.}

8.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 15:55:19

Both instances you give are extremely different cases in point. Mourinho when he joined the first time round saw a BPL where every game wasn't closely contested, the big 4 was the big 4 and nobody else challenged even close. He also threw crazy amounts of money at it instantly. Roberto carvalho, paulo ferrer, essien, cech, robben, drogba - that would have cost somewhere in the region of 120mil and we're talking like 10-12 years ago which was astronomical back then.

Mancini joined a city side that had already had a good 3-4 years of ridiculous spending and unlimited funds to buy whoever he wanted an no need to sell anyone to compensate for that.

Klopp without a penny spent got us to two finals with a squad that was utterly hopeless before he took over. If people want instant success, I suggest they go and support someone else.

If next season we don't go toe to toe with the big boys then questions can start to be asked.

{Ed001's Note - Jose also took over a team that were challenging for the title prior to his arrival.}

9.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 16:29:03
87red. Read Zeddicus post please and why should we not go toe to toe this season? We have only the league to really play for and 2 lesser trophies. No Champions League or even Europa to distract us. Even Rodgers got us to second in the same circumstances. In my opinion there should be no excuses. that's what i want to see.

10.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 18:38:05
Rover, you're conveniently dodging my rebuttle to your points at mourinho and mancini. What are you insinuating about Rodgers? For starters, he had suarez, a fully fit sturidge, in fact a lack of injuries in general. Secondly, he is the reason we've hired klopp to get us out of this mess.

11.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 19:02:30
He already answered your question Rover, because success isn't instant and other team such as Chelsea in 04, United and City now have the advantage of spending vast amounts in wages and transfer fees in comparison to us, which is why we'll have to be more clever with our approach and it will take longer to achieve success.

12.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 19:05:23
Correction Rover, Suarez and Sturridge + Bielsa's tactics got us to second, Rodgers showed his true colours when Suarez left and he got to use his preferred slow, boring possession system.

13.) 29 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 23:19:57
87red. I am not dodging anything. Zeddicus stated that you can't click your fingers and demand instant success. Mourinho did as well as Mancini not to mention the other managers i mentioned. Now there may well be mitgating circumstances but they still got instant success. As i said read Zeddicus post, see if it sinks in.

As for Rodgers, yes he was rubbish but he still got second, we still have Sturridge you know and a better manager, why should i not expect a real push? It seems that everyone will blow smoke up Klopps ass and still make excuses as to why he might not succeed. No excuses, Klopp says this is his team now. let's see the results.

14.) 29 Aug 2016
29 Aug 2016 01:17:03
Ah fair enough Ed01 i didn't know that! Am i just being stupid or has it been like that for a while now come to think of it.

{Ed001's Note - it is a new refereeing directive for the season.}

15.) 29 Aug 2016
29 Aug 2016 08:05:27

Do you even understand what mitigating circumstances are? You're not even able to make a decent argument back. You basically don't care about any sort of logic or reason and just "expect" success. That's the problem with a lot of fans today and the fact you're bring BR into the equation shows your total lack of understanding.

16.) 30 Aug 2016
30 Aug 2016 05:18:39
He expects it 87red, so it must be achievable. he's probably a fan of The Donald as well.