22 Aug 2016 18:48:22
I don't wish to be rude, (agreeing with MK Scouser's post a while back about civility), and there are some notable exceptions, but the reaction of most on here to one defeat is really disappointing.

I don't disagree that there are defensive issues to be resolved. I don't disagree that we'd do better with a holding / controlling midfield player. I don't disagree that the purchase of Wijnaldum was questionable in terms of priorities, and of course, I don't disagree that we need a LB.

I would never question the loyalty or committment of a fan for criticising the team, and indeed the purpose of this site is to discuss the club and the team, and it seems to me that some criticism is inevitable and justified. I do, however question the maturity of many of the comments made. Whilst I totally get and share the disappointment of not only defeat, but also the manner of the defeat, and the emotions that go with it, however intelligent adults are supposed to be able to control their emotions, deal rationally and objectively with disappointment, take a long-term, balanced view etc.

Comments like "there is no plan. " "we'll get slaughtered if. " "x should never play for us again" seem to get thrown around like 2-year olds throwing toys out of a pram.

I think 2 things are going on here - firstly the internet, in ananymising comment, removes inhibitions. Secondly almost everyone considers themselves to be some sort of football expert. In reality (and I certainly apply this to myself) we're not; I watch the game intently, but I've never played or trained at any decent level. Most of us simply aren't qualified to make the judgements with the certainty we do. I am, however an expert in my profession; I see the same overconfidence in novices who, empowered with a little knowledge think they have mastered knowledge that others have taken 30+ years to accumulate.

The term "Kopflose Huhn" could be applied to the reaction of most on here. More accurately we're collectively like Chicken Little - Defeat by Burnley = an acorn, not the entire sky.

1.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 19:24:11
We have played two poor teams, we have three points out of six, we are on target to concede 95 league goals having conceded 50 in each of the last three seasons and nobody knows what the best starting eleven is.

People are entitled to be disappointed.

2.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 19:25:22
100% agree Andy. People react as if we've just been relegated with the loss. We could play the same exact team and beat Spurs 2-1 next week and everyone will be back on the bandwagon.

3.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 19:26:01
I bet your a right laugh at a party. Liverpool Shouldn't be losing 2-0 against Burnley mate end of. Their entire team is probably worth less than £20m.

4.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 19:45:52
Nobody was supposed to lose against Leicester last year. Ppl are overreacting. Win against Arsenal - League winners/ top4. Lose against Burnley - top 8 at best. We have played 2 games, get some perspective.

5.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 19:51:35
Ritters, I agree, but disappointment does not equal mindless criticism.
DBol, I'm miserable at parties. I shun amusement as a mindless distraction from the higher things in life, like Rotordynamics ;-) .
No, we shouldn't lose to Burnley, but if the league was solely dictated by the value of the squad, we'd finish about 6th and Citeh would win most years. Football would be boring. (6th is more or less where we did finish give one or two points) . In Klopp, I choose to believe, as someone who can elevate us above our current financial position.

6.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 19:54:37
It's the manner of the defeat and the fact that chronic frailties at fullback, goalkeeper and midfield that were there last season still there and so easily exploited. Our next six games are Spurs, Leicester, Chelsea, Hull, Man U and Swansea and if we line up like we did against Arsenal and Burnley then I can see us losing each of those and getting walloped by Spurs, Chelsea and the mancs. That's season ending in my opinion.

7.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 19:56:01
But Dbol, you backed Burnley to beat US 2-0 and won £820 so you must be happy, no?

8.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 20:40:44
FranklyMrShankly we will not lose all those matches if we line up like we did in the first two matches. people need to get a grip. Only one team has gone unbeaten in the league. teams lose, it happens.

9.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 21:08:47
No I'm gutted mate. But I suppose it pays for my London trip on Saturday. You going?

10.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 21:20:58
Gutted? bet you are. No i'm not going, will be working, earning money without backing against my own team on my consience, mind you, WE can't be your team can we? you backed US to lose. And if you want to get into how many games you have been to bring it on.

11.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 21:29:54
Great post, Andy. Wholeheartedly agree.

12.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 21:43:05
Think the thing is, ok we got beat, however if you put in a performance and get beat, fans can take that, but for the vast majority of players not to even turn up and the Manger doing so little to change it is unacceptable.

13.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 22:48:58
Andy, if we get 6th place, it will be an improvement on last season, and better than a lot of fans think right now, me, I have said 5th or 6th already, we don't have the right players yet, Klopp will need a couple of more transfer windows to take us to the top four .

14.) 22 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 23:27:06
Agree with alan, that's exactly the reason for the reaction.

15.) 23 Aug 2016
22 Aug 2016 23:56:39
You really think the players didn't turn up Alan? It was creativity and guile we lacked not effort.

16.) 23 Aug 2016
23 Aug 2016 03:55:41
There is an over reaction to dbol betting on us to lose . It has no difference to him being a fan at all . Also by him doing that he didn't cause us to lose. I know two friends of mine who back us to lose all the time not massive stakes but the justification is that if we win they are buzzing of that and if we lose at least it buys them a drink to drown the sorrows . I have no problem with people betting on anything my concern is only on us playing well and winning football matches . Let's go and beat burton and progress to hopefully another final and this time a more positive outcome . YNWA.

17.) 24 Aug 2016
23 Aug 2016 23:51:15
Ritters never have I seen such a ridiculous nonsense stat as your conceding 95 goals gibberish. Using that logic last season after 3 games we were on course to concede no goals all season. Idiotic comment mate I'm sorry. Can everyone just get a grip it's disappointing yes, but we will be ok. Early season has a habit of throwing up random results.

18.) 24 Aug 2016
24 Aug 2016 00:51:40
Spot on, Alan. I can take a loss as it is part of sports. But losing without even putting in a fight is unacceptable. As my father used to say, "I can accept that you failed. If will never accept that you didn't even try. " We didn't even try vs Burnley hence we failed. Unacceptable!