05 Sep 2015 04:31:47
Hey Ed001 (or Ed002)

What do you think of Dalglish's second managerial tenure? His second stint was at a time when I didn't know as much about football, and it's hard for me to look back on it and analyse because I just don't remember many games that well.

How would you compare him to Rodgers, and do you think Suarez's antics made his job much incredibly harder?

{Ed001's Note - it was a mistake to bring him back, his initial tenure was successful while Sir Bob was there holding his hand, then he had so much to deal with he couldn't concentrate on the job in hand. The second time round, the fans simply didn't deserve to have him. They had forgotten just what that man had done for the club. No it wasn't a huge success, but he won a cup and got us to a cup final with a far lower spend than Rodgers, plus he had the handicap of the utterly inept Comolli 'helping' him. He was not helped by the club, who offered him no guidance during the Suarez issues, which he clearly made a mess of, a mess that could have been easily avoided by someone at the club saying no to the t-shirts before it happened. But it seems FSG are completely and utterly unable to be proactive and that is why we are stumbling along under them still.

There really is no comparison between the two, Rodgers is failing miserably to win anything or even look capable of winning anything. I am actually insulted that it could even be considered a comparison between the greatest living legend of our club and an inept David Brent soundalike!}

1.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 06:44:35
You cannot take the blame from his shoulders on utter poor spending.
Close to 80 mill on 4 players with three of them were hopeless and one decent.

{Ed001's Note - give it a rest Harry, Comolli was heavily involved in who the club signed, and that is why we ended up with ones with good stats, rather than ones that fitted how we played. So please shut up for once and learn something before you gob off and make a fool of yourself. It is fans like you that don't deserve Dalglish, slagging him off without having the tiniest bit of clue about what you are talking about.}

2.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 07:52:02
That's my big problem with FSG too, they are way too reactive. They could have been proactive and signed a different manager this season, but instead they will wait for things to truly turn hopeless before they hit the big red button (it's impossible to even think that things could get more worse).

I find it hard to fathom how Dalglish's failure could be because he 'lost touch' with how modern football is played. Really? Or am I just underestimating how easy it is to fall behind in the 'evolution' of football?

How much better of a tactician do you think Kenny is? Or does he have the wood over Rodgers in man-management?

{Ed001's Note - it is man-management that Kenny is light years ahead of Rodgers, tactically I would have to say Kenny is not the best either.}

3.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 08:02:19
With respect ed,

Are you not absolving him from a little too much blame because he is a legend? Should he not have been clued up enough on comollis recommendations before signing? You yourself have said Rodgers had final say on transfer committee signings. To say he hasn't come close to looking like winning anything is a stretch mate. 2nd in the league and an semi final in FA cup is fairly close.

I think it's because of the fans love for Jenny why he got the job perm in the first place

{Ed001's Note - Comolli did the signing mate, it is not absolving him of blame, it is a fact. Not the same situation at all, in fact it is because Comolli was such a failure that Rodgers was able to get control of transfers and make matters even worse. As for coming second, that is only close if you look like you actually have a chance of making it, which he never did as he bottles it and it was plain to see he had no idea how to push things over the line when it matters.

Yes it is because of the fans' love that Dalglish got the job, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything?}

4.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 08:04:47
Well said ED001,when ever I bring this up in are conversations at the pub before matches it's like I'm the dinosaur in the room,which surprises me because my mates have seen this club win titles.my how the standards have dropped. the man DALGLISH might of been out of the game for a while but you never forget how to win trophies. RODGERS had 3 goes at winning something and blew them. as you said there's no comparison.

5.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 08:30:43
Ed001 I would say some of the fans didn't deserve him the second time there are many of us who have never forgotten what he did and never will forget. It is up to people with influence to remind people of a younger generation just what he did for the club.
You should do a podcast about him!

{Ed001's Note - I would do but it would end up just being like a love letter! This is a man who has no equal within the club.}

6.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 08:37:18
I think a more appropriate comparison for Rodgers would be Hodgson as he too lacked certain skills!!
Harry, you have to careful judging someone solely on transfer figures as there are different ways you can look at them.
If as the manager, Dalglish is considered responsible for the 35 million spent on Caroll, is he therefore also responsible for the 50 million he received for Torres?
I do generally consider a manager responsible for the personnel comings and goings (albeit this has been watered down over the years), but I think a manager should only be judged on his transfer dealings after a few years, once he has been able to 'stamp his mark' so they say.
Whichever way you look at it, one trophy in his only full season is our most successful season in years. So in terms of value for money (for liverpool!), it can be considered money well spent! Particularly, as the initial question raised, if you compare it with Rodgers who has no silverware for a rather lot more!

7.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 09:13:46
Sirshanks

Really dude, BR should be then given credit for Suarez And Sterling sale, that's close to 125 million.

You are just tying to bring excuses to defend people. I don't blame it, everyone does it.

No matter whose in charge above you, spending 20 million on downing and 35 mill on Carroll is rubbish.

Would you want to bring back Kenny then?

Gerrard is a legend and as big as Kenny for this generation. But you could never say he is the best holding midfielder ever.

8.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 09:59:09
Gerrard might be as big a legend from a pure footballing perspective, but King Kenny is a legend on and off the field. You can't say the same for Gerrard, Kenny is a one off and it isn't fair to compare anyone else to him.

9.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 10:31:22
Sirshanks, the reason we all have different opinions is perspective. You referred to 11-12 as our most successful season in years, I see it as our worst season since 1962. We can both argue our cases (cup trophy vs league performance) but we won't change each other's minds. The reason I forgive Rodgers of his biggest sins is that he was tasked with reversing a slide that started summer 09 and reached its nadir summer 12 (none of which was Dalglish's fault).

Even if Rodgers is deficient most agree the squad we have now isn't too far off the 'big 4', that's not something we could say three years ago. Change like that costs money in this day and age.

10.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 11:35:48
Muscat, it does cost a lot of money if you piss away dosh on players you don't need, or players you don't know how to use.

11.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 11:38:02
So back in the 90's, did Dalglish used to be a good tactician, with the game having in fact passed him by since then?

{Ed002's Note - It was a very significant mistake to bring back Dalglish - and I remain astonished how the fans dropped him like a hit brick once Suarez cost him his job.}

12.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 12:05:57
Well Guys

Lets look at Comoli and Dalglish's signings

Carrol - a bit of a disaster, mainly through injuries and not been given a chance by Bodger.
Adam - Too slow, however comparing him to Joe Cole, Markovic, Allen, Polson, the money they paid is not that disasterous. Adam has had decent seasons with Stoke since leaving.
Downing - Well he was useless
Enrique - A decent left back when fit, certainly haven't had much better since Rodgers, the only left backs we have had are playing out of position.
Coates - must agree his was a waste of money.

Now here is where Dalglish makes up for all above.

Suarez for 18 million - Probably the best signing for Liverpool since Torres, The profit we made from him vertually paid for all above.

Henderson - Now the Liverpool Captain, worth probably double than what we paid.

Bringing Sterling into the squad.

Steve Clark - A coach that turned our defense around and we've gone backwards since he left.

A Cup final to boot, not bad for a season and a half in charge

Now look at the players Bodger has bought over the past few years,

Borini
Allen
Ballotelli
Lovren
Toure
Assaidi
Sahin
Alberto
Aspas
Mingolet
Cissoko
lambert
Moses
Markovic
Lallana
Sturridge
Origi
Coutinho
Ings
Manquillo
Llori

and some other rubbish I forget

Won nothing and threw away the best chance we have had of winning the league in 20 years even with a strike force that scored 100 goals

The people that try to Compare Bodger to Dalglish obviously don't know anything about the history of the club, Bodger will soon be sacked and quickly forgotten or remebered as a total failure whereas King Kenny rightly will always be remembered as a legend and a winner, even with a second rate team we still won a cup.

Evered

13.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 12:27:57
Here's one thing I really want to know. how much say/input did Kenny actually have in his signings? Because judging from what Ed001 said, I get the feeling this is how it played out.

Comolli: "I have found you a striker!"
Kenny: "Nice, who?"
Comolli: "Andy Carroll. Brilliant league stats this season. We will bid 37 million pounds. Do you approve or not?"
Kenny: "I d-"
Comolli: "You approve? Fantastic! I'll immediately send a fax to Newcastle then."

{Ed002's Note - Go and look in the archives for the week that Comolli joined Liverpool, I explained everything then.}

14.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 12:44:19
I will now feel like Gandalf scurraging through the dusty Minas Tirith archives.

15.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 12:53:02
Can I just ask how did Brendan throw away the league?

16.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 13:02:04
I've gone for a stroll through the archives. unfortunately, they only take you as far back as 2013. I could only spot a comment you made which said, "Dalgish [pissed money away], assisted by Comolli".

Excuse my ignorance, and I'm no Rodgers fan, but isn't this no different to how the committee 'assists' Rodgers? There's a lot of various opinions out there and I just want to finally know what the real story is.

{Ed002's Note - It is totally different. Those involve with identifying possible players for the transfer committee understand the game. Comolli was a whole different matter. It is history and I am surprised the archives don't go back that far.}

17.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 15:41:30
A decent signing Harry? This is how you call the signing of Suarez? I am more than happy that on every three flops we sign, we will sign one Suarez. This guy single handadly almost brought us our first title in 25 years. Best signing we have done in many years. The only problem he was too good and we couldn't keep him.

18.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 15:45:48
No comparison, IMO. BR is not in KK's class and at this rate, won't even be able to shine his shoes. Muscat, your post is senseless. You say our squad is decent enuff for top four. YOU THINK? After wasting 300m on players by trial and error, you would think the squad will at some point, be decent enuff to challenge. Throwing money at a prob until it sticks is not a strategy. It is incompetence and a severe lack of vision and forward thinking, all the qualities of an incompetent manager.

19.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 18:15:26
I am not going to defend the shambles that is Rodgers, but that doesn't take away what happened under Kenny. The King is a great man, but he was out of touch with football, and it showed in the signings he made. Comolli messes up, like he did at Spurs, and yes, sufficient evidence was there to steer clear of him, but some of the stuff being said now in this thread is ridiculous.

Suarez was signed for £22.8 million, NOT 18. He was a player that was identified under Hodgson, not Dahlglish, though Dahlglish wanted him and so credit must go to him too.

Carroll was effectively LFC's fourth choice striker to replace Torres during that January window. LFC bid or tried to get Benzema, Mario Gomez and Llorente and failed with all before turning to Carroll. I think for all 3 of those players, their clubs wanted to wait till the summer to sell them or that is what they told LFC.

Comolli wanted Payet, NOT Downing. Payet was the guy with all the stats showing how he was going to be a star. And to be honest, he does look a very good player, and did very well with Marseilles and before that, Lille. It was Kenny who rejected Payet and went with Downing.

Kenny also wanted Charlie Adam; Banega was the player Comolli pushed for I think? I don't know who pushed for Coates, Henderson, Doni and Enrique. Kenny's presence did attract Bellammy to the team though. He wanted to play a 4-4-2 the way it used be played at LFC during the successful times, and the signings he made were to fit in with what he believed would work out. This is where he was out of touch with the way the game had gone and ultimately he did struggle to get the best out of the group of players he had bought. And after the Suarez/Evra nonsense and defeat at Man Utd, and that defeat at home against Arsenal the next game, we just went into free-fall. I think we won 4 of the remaining 15 games after the Arsenal game and Kenny could nothing to revitalize a flailing side. I hate to say this, but Kenny was a poor choice to bring back, and the way of the modern day game is that when you fail, no matter who you are, you will be criticized and he too was.

20.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 18:36:48
Oh Redohio, you're such a flirt with your capital letters and abbreviations. All this attention is making me blush.

21.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 18:38:17
Ron

". He for me is Liverpool. "
Thiery Henry

". He was the best midfielder for me. "
Zidane

". Gerrard is one player I tried to sign three times at three different clubs. "
Jose

". Gerrard is the special of special players. "

Rafa Benitez.

There are many.

There us a generation gap between us and you, you could never claim us wrong. Steven gerrard is the best Liverpool player I have seen ever and I don't want to go back to 70 and 80 to find a better one.

Those who said Kenny was the best also said we would never replace Keegan.

{Ed001's Note - Souness was better than Gerrard in my opinion.}

22.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 19:17:45
Harry, you do understand what I mean by "off the field" don't you? Re-read what I said. Gerrard may be as big a legend in footballing terms, but Kenny was a legend on and off the field.
Off the field i.e. When he's not playing football, Gerrard is not a legend, he's more of a twit to be honest. Kenny is a great man when playing football and when not playing football. I'm not disagreeing with you or Henry or Jose or Rafa because you're talking about football alone. Kenny is more than a great footballer, he's a great man too. Ok?

23.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 19:05:06
Ed01, of course mate. There are players you have seen enough to claim, I haven't and I am not going back to
You tube to find one.

Gerrard played with pure mediocre average players for most part of his life, had him played in the 80's he would have had a statue outside Anfield long long time ago.

The OP was about the managerial skills and spending.

Kenny is a legend but he had no clue during his second helm. Trying to implement an outdated 4-4-2 when the football world moved on from a 2 men typical midfield to a 3 men.

Kenny spend less compared to BR because he only lasted an year. Had he stayed more, He would have bought many more Carroll without a doubt.

Kenny got us a league cup while BR took us to second only twice in last 10 years, CL after 6 years.

Both have been poor managers.

{Ed001's Note - really? You have no idea what you are talking about Harry. What system brought us the closest to any success under Rodgers? Was it not a variant of 4-4-2? What about Juve? They used a variation of 4-4-2 last season when they reached the Champions League final and cleaned up in Italy. You have no clue and yet you think you have the right to slag off someone who is a true great? Be glad I don't block you for this. You are really getting on my nerves now with your posts that have no basis in reality about this. Dalglish was not picking the players, now shut up about something you know nothing about. Just give it up you are wrong. Kenny never spent the damn money at all. What is wrong with you? Why are you so dense that you will not listen or read anything and just keep repeating the same lies over and over? We keep having to block you for this idiotic attitude of yours, and you are not learning your lesson and continue to just spam with nonsense. Come back when you can read and then we can discuss things rather than just you talking crap without learning that what you are saying is utter nonsense.}

24.) 06 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 22:39:51
If Kenny had had the slightest luck in his last season he'd have still been our manager. How many times did his team hit the woodwork? We've had more luck in three games than his team did in a whole season. I'd take him over Rogers any day of the week. Just think about him watching the youth teams and how much he cares about his players. He's a Legend because he earned it - player, manager, man.

25.) 06 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 20:59:35
Lols. I bloody love your never give up attitude ed01 😄😄. Let's happily agree to disagree on the above facts.
I must be only half of your age. Daglish for you and Gerrard for me. and the Next generation will have another name. it's just a process.
And I am extremely sorry mate, Kenny would have still signed all the above regardless of comollil or another DOF.

Ron.

What exactly gerrard has to do off the field mate? Once he retires he would be right back where he belongs. You are adressing at least half of the whole Liverpool supporters outside who love Gerrard.

Check some pre season tour video, you could see what gerrard meant to people and I mean the common people.

{Ed001's Note - what is there to agree to disagree about? Stop being an absolute idiot. You are wrong. Dalglish was not in charge of transfers second time around. Comolli was dealing with them and it was why Rodgers was able to get full control over them when he took over. You are an imbecile if you think Dalglish would have done that. Shelvey was the player Kenny signed.}

26.) 06 Sep 2015
06 Sep 2015 03:02:06
*Please* just answer this to settle my confusion. how much say did Kenny *actually* have in transfers compared to what Rodgers has???

{Ed001's Note - he just asked for types of players, Comolli identified the players and negotiated the deals.}

27.) 06 Sep 2015
06 Sep 2015 08:04:43
The only reason we visit this site is beacause we believe in Ed's and almost always they are right. So I am quite amused that some guys here keep on acting as if they are the expert here. So please stop whining about how Kenny spend money on bad singing- when Ed's have told you again and again that it was Komoli.


P.S: young Liverpool fan who had seen first and only trophy under king Kenny reign.

28.) 06 Sep 2015
06 Sep 2015 08:12:03
Haha thanks for the answer!

So what you're basically saying is that it was Kenny's job to trust Comolli's judgement and just give a tick of approval. unlike Rodgers and committee.

Types of players as in merely what position they played? I.e. 'find me a striker'? Because it's hard to believe that on top of that, Kenny would specifically request someone who is a big, lumbersome, slow, unskilful target man.

I feel like a massive pest with these questions but you're a ledge for answering them

29.) 06 Sep 2015
06 Sep 2015 08:19:09
Partly why I ask all these questions is because people like Christian Purslow have say stuff like that Dalglish identified Carroll, and it just creates heaps of confusion

30.) 06 Sep 2015
06 Sep 2015 09:43:55
Harry you clearly have no idea/memory of any off field activity if you have to ask that question.
Gerrard has been in the national news for alleged ABH including CCTV pictures. He was a truly great player for Liverpool.
I'm not going to talk about what Kenny has done for the club and the city outside of football. You ought to educate yourself as it will sink in better.

31.) 06 Sep 2015
06 Sep 2015 11:35:06
Lfc warrior

Commoli wanted Sissokho, long term replacement for Gerrard. Don't blame everything on Commolli. Kenny could always stop a transfer just like BR did not stop Balotelli.

Kenny wanted Ashley young and we ended up with Downing, neither would have improved anyways.

Kenny always wanted Charlie Adam.

The above are facts I read it from the same site.

{Ed001's Note - Kenny could not stop a transfer, please just shut up! You really are clueless. Stop trying to act in the know. Comolli was in complete control of transfers. How many times do you have to be told before you get it in your head? Last time or I will block you, Dalglish was not in any kind of control of the transfers, he could merely make requests, in the same way as Rafa has no say in transfers at Madrid but he could ask for certain players or type of players, he has no way of making the decision.

As for the Real AG, your post is bull. Utter nonsense. Comolli chose the players to go for, those that he didn't get were because they didn't want to come for various reasons or we couldn't get a deal agreed with their club. As for Carroll, he was much further down the list than you say, you have forgotten players like Ola Toivonen. Kenny never rejected Payet for Downing at all, Downing was chosen on his stats by Comolli, Payet was simply not coming, so Downing was chosen. As for Adam, yes he was a player Dalglish wanted, and was not a good choice.}

32.) 06 Sep 2015
06 Sep 2015 22:14:07
The back and forth can be settled this way. The Eds give us accurate info which allows us to form a better judgement of the goings on around our beloved club. If you as in EG and many others, have more accurate info to prove the eds info wrong, please share said info. If your info is inaccurate or debunked royally as eg's has been debunked, then do us all a favor and DROP IT. N btw, Ed is right about Carroll not being first choice and that certain players did not wanna come. Mario Gomez was willing to come to us if we could match his wage demands, Toivonen wasn't interested, Ashley a young chose Utd over us. I read all that in the media during that time before I joined this site.