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22 Mar 2017 09:23:58
A somewhat broader question for ed01 and ed02, (when they have the time) - squad size and composition!

In recent years, it has often been said on this site that the Liverpool squad is overbloated, and Klopp has moved to rectify this by moving a lot of players on. Of course, now most fans are moaning how thin our options are = a vicious cycle which has been repeating throughout the years.

Realistically, what is the optimum squad balance that a team competing in Europe should be pursuing? In the beginning of the season we actually seemed to be well covered on most positions, except pure wingers - however, all the media and commentators are drumming up about our lack of depth. Still, there are good players like Kevin Stewart who are not even getting a sniff. A single rotation player like Can has largely been able to cover for a 3-man midfield.
What number of players would the eds recommend if they were to build a good squad - considering the youth academy?

For Liverpool, 23 players have appeared throughout the season in the premier league, 4 of them I would consider youth players (TAA, young Ben, Gruijic and Eljaria) .

{Ed002's Note - Any player who is 21 and younger don't count toward the 25 man squad that need not be the same for Europe and the league. So what Liverpool has now would seem appropriate - they are not going to be playing significantly different teams in the two competition. The trouble with "depth" is that good experienced players will not want to sit on the sidelines week after week so most clubs have two players for each position, three goalkeepers and then use reserves and youngsters as cover. As such - I think numerically Liverpool are in the right place so they will be swapping players out rather than adding players who won't get a game.}

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22 Mar 2017 11:28:39
I personally think you should have a match day squad of 18 players all considered first team ready. Then fill in any gaps through injury/ suspension with the academy.

You have to have a strong bench nowadays but you shouldn't have 25-30 senior players like City and Chelsea have in recent years. To be fair to Conte he has worked really hard to rectify that by selling a lot of squad players so the likes of Loftus-Cheek, Chalobah and now Ake can get game time.

If these teams had put more faith into some of their younger players they wouldn't have needed to spend so much though. As I say, Chelsea are rectifying it and to be fair at least have a good loan/ support scheme for their kids.

Look at City though. They already have some great youngsters like Iheanacho, Patrick Roberts, Boyata etc. Yet they went out and spent over £100m on Jesus, Sane and Stones. I'm not entirely sure they are massive improvements either.

20 Mar 2017 13:35:06
Topic of the day?

On yesterday's performance, Can stays in team over hendo?

Yes or no?

They can't play together we know that, it's on or the other.

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20 Mar 2017 15:22:37
If Can found consistency then absolutely. Can has more to his game than Henderson But at the minute you can count on Henderson to turn up for every game.

21 Mar 2017 09:15:25
Can and Henderson would make a very good midfield 2. Both have endless amounts of energy, are not prone to being weaklings on the pitch and once paired up could become very formidable partnership if given the opportunity.

This summer, depending on who Klopp signs and who leaves could see him revert back to his favoured 4-2-3-1 formation. At this point, three in the middle is best suited to the options available to Klopp from our squad.

We have to remember, Can had no job title when Klopp arrived. He hardly featured in midfield under Rodgers and was definitely not going to make it as a CB when being played as one by Rodgers. Last season before Can got injured, he was in top form. Now that he is playing regularly as a midfielder he has the chance to grow and learn the position. He has put in some top performances this season irrespective of fans wanting to ridicule him game in game out. I really hope his contract gets sorted out. Can has all the attributes to become a mainstay in our midfield.

21 Mar 2017 18:50:58
Why can't they play together?

I would drop Lallana and play:

Arnold, Matip, Lovren, Milner
Can, Hendo
Mane, Coutinho, Wijnaldum

Gets Coutinho in the middle to link up more with Firmino, and gives us two wide guys who both try to break into the box to get goals, all with a much more solid platform in midfield to build on. Would we really miss Lallana? Most of his pressing flatters to deceive and he hasn't scored or created a goal in about 2 months. What does he offer right now?

Can is playing well and Henderson is one of if not our best player. Not to mention our only true leader.

15 Mar 2017 13:25:29
From the guys Ed002 pitched as our targets I would like something like

Jordan Pickford
Ricardo Pereira
Ryan Sessengon (loaned back)
Julian Brandt
Ben Brereton
Andre Silva

Simon Mignolet
Danny Ward
Nathaniel Clyne
Alberto Moreno
Jon Flanagan
Leiva Lucas
Cameron Brannagan
Pip Coutinho
Daniel Sturridge
Roberto Firmino
Lazar Markovic

Starting XI:
Arnold, Matip, Lovren, Pereira
Lallana, Hendo, Wijnaldum
Mane, A. Silva, Brandt

Karius, Gomez, Klavan, Milner, Can, Origi, Ings

(Manninger floating about somewhere)

Grabara, Randall, Williams, Masterson, Juanma, Virtue, Stewart, Chirivella, Ejaria, Dhanda, Woodburn, Wilson, Kent, Ojo, Brereton, Brewster

Full season loans:

Good starting eleven (though I am alarmed by the lack of interest in a top centre back), strong and versatile bench, with the talented U23s (who will be training with the first team most of the time anyway) covering for injuries and some going on short term loans for development.

If we shell out about £100m to bring in Pickford, Pereira, Brandt and Silva, you have to say they will start though and we must be getting in some big money from somewhere. Even Sessengon and Brereton may cost a fair bit being top British talents. £10m apiece? Coutinho wanted by Barca, Firmino by PSG and Sturridge by West Ham? Could fund the whole lot right there.

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16 Mar 2017 11:14:46
You want to sell Coutinho, Firmino, and Ward are you insane. Sturridge and Clyne possibly

Id rather keep Ward and let him and Karuis fight it out for No.1

Pereira i have not seen much so not sure.

Brandt could be a good addition although if Bayern are interested than its doubtful we will get him.

Silva like Werner looks a very good player.

We need a LB and possibly CB along with a solid holding midfielder more than anything else as we can score goals but need to learn to keep them out.

16 Mar 2017 16:26:42
So what, Coutinho and Firmino on the bench? Or spend £80m on Silva and Brandt so they can play against Oldham in the FA cup?

16 Mar 2017 19:00:40
Coutinho and Firmino are better than the 2 you mentioned.

16 Mar 2017 23:56:56
Coutinho and Firmino are playing poorly out of position. Brandt is a genuine wide player and Andre Silva is a genuine striker.

It is about having the best team, not the best players. Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana etc are all too similar. Tricks, turns and speculative shots. No diversity except for Mane which is why he stands out.

Take Chelsea they have the striker (Costa), they have the speedy forward (Pedro), they have the dribbler (Hazard), and then they have the creativity in midfield (Kante) . It is perfectly balanced.

(I am not saying we can get a Kante by the way. A player so good offensively and defensively is rare to say the least. )

We basically have a pacey forward in Mane, and then 3 creative players in Lallana, Coutinho and Firmino. We only need 1 of those guys really. Then we need someone like Silva/ Brandt who can run at the opposition, and a proper striker like Dembele/ Silva to put it in the net regularly. That will give us the balance in our attack we need to go to the next level. Different types of forwards thrive in different games. Due to the fact we have 3 guys who all rely on passing and movement it is easy for teams to just defend narrow and block off the space. Do that against Chelsea and Hazard will just run through you, or Costa will scrap for a tap in.

That is why we can score 6 goals in 1 game and then draw a blank in the next. It needs rectifying, and if we get slightly less talented individuals to gain the blend of style and glance we require, then that is a worthwhile sacrifice.

18 Mar 2017 09:55:25
Not sure why you would want Coutinho and Firmino to leave? Brandt and Andre Silva are two players who still have it all to prove.

If we are going to replace two of our best then two 20 year olds will not suffice.

Too suggest that they are playing poorly out of position is quite strange. Firmino plays as a false 9 for Brazil which is exactly the role he has at Liverpool. Coutinho is playing as an attacking midfielder which is the role he has when playing for Brazil.

Andre Silva is nowhere near the level to lace Coutinho or Firmino's boots. If we do sigh Brandt, I doubt he is going to be thrown into the deep end straight away by Klopp either.

If Coutinho and or Firmino had to leave then we need players who are on the same level or better. Brandt is a talented up and coming youngster. I dounbt there are many LFC fans who have even seen Andre Silva kick a ball.

The club will do all they can to keep Coutinho and Firmino, especially Klopp. These are two players you build your squad, not replace them with young talent with potential.

14 Mar 2017 01:19:38
If Liverpool sign Julian Brandt, will he be a regular starter? And if so, how will Klopp re-shuffle the team to fit him in?
The most obvious solution appears to be this:



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14 Mar 2017 19:15:27
I agree with the front 3 but I'm not sure of that midfield 3. I personally think if coutinhos going into midfield he'll take lallanas spot.

13 Mar 2017 09:49:39
I think we should sign van Dyke in summer play 3 at back with wing backs the three been matip van Dyke an lovern with clyne an Moreno wing backs Henderson wynaldum in middle with lallana coutino mane up front.

{Ed002's Note - That's fine, who would you have as manager?}

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12 Mar 2017 15:02:21
I know we have a few players currently out injured but the lack of squad depth is clearly on show today. all youngsters on bench apart frm maybe moreno.

{Ed002's Note - Lucas and Karius are not youngsters. Others have played for the first team.}

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12 Mar 2017 18:36:25
Is stewart injured Eds? Haven't seen him on the bench in a while.

{Ed002's Note - No he is not injured.}

10 Mar 2017 18:48:28

Leno - 20m
Varane -40m
Dahoud -20m
Sandro -20m
Sanchez -60m
total: 160m

Quality goal keeper
Brought in world class defender
2 work horses in the middle with pacey solid wingbacks
Attackers have pace strength power creativey etc.

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10 Mar 2017 22:46:01
I think you need to stay off the funny stuff.

11 Mar 2017 18:23:19
Your Fifa team?

08 Mar 2017 23:54:41
Potential team for next season based on some of the more substantiated up rumours?

Pereira, Matip, Dragovic, Robertson
Gini, Hendo, Lallana
Mane, Firmino, Brandt

Arnold, Gomez, Klavan, Juanma
Milner, Stewart, Grujic
Woodburn, Ings, Origi

Randall, Williams, Masterson, Hart
Dhanda, Chirivella, Ejaria
Wilson, Brewster, Ojo.

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10 Mar 2017 10:49:31
not think we can keep hold of coutinho MK?

other than his absence it looks spot on.

10 Mar 2017 16:23:51
I hope I am wrong and he stays LFCSTE29 but I just have a niggling feeling that he will move to Barcelona this summer. They are going to massively rebuild their squad, most likely around Neymar. If and when they ask Neymar who he would like to play alongside I would put my house on Coutinho being the first name on his list.

If he does leave I think it would be a minor set back (as Brandt signing would've otherwise allowed Coutinho to replace Lallana in midfield) but I don't think Lallana is a dreadful player and Brandt is definitely better as a left attacker than Coutinho, despite not being quite as good a player.

Fingers crossed he stays but i am not going to hold my breath though!

07 Mar 2017 22:48:54
2017/ 18 Dream Team:
Has a massively improved first team with squad depth required to cope with possible champ league + domestic cups.


2nd team:


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08 Mar 2017 10:39:28
You know that is about £300m of signings? I'm guessing the answer to that is know in advance!

11 Mar 2017 18:26:18
You spend that money and fail to replace clyne?!

07 Mar 2017 19:40:53
Who I think should be replaced and by whom. Feel free to disagree

Moreno-tierney or Robertson
Stewart and lucas- goretzka

Obviously sell the fringe players like markovic etc but possibly give Flanagan a chance as a back up. Give him a shot at centre back. Cards wasn't a fan favourite until 2005 when he was what 26? He was regularly rotated with hyypia and henchoz. Again just my opinion not what I think klopp will do.

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