16 Feb 2017 09:46:50
Watching parts of Bayerns play you would imagine that is what Klopp is aiming for, wingers pulling defenders all over the place and always attacking, fullbacks overlapping and firing in great crosses. We are getting there as Mane has been outstanding, just a few more pieces needed.
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12 Feb 2017 02:00:24
Great performance today.
However, if we get top 4 I think we have now learned we need to invest in squad depth to maintain the intensity we all love.
Karius, Trent, lovren, Gomez, Moreno, Gini, Can, Origi, Grujic, Woodburn, Ejaria,
I would also bring in:
Another midfielder eg. Dahoud
Would be needed due to volume of games.
Pace upfront from A and M would be frightening for defences.
12 Feb 2017 10:23:09
You are so random sometimes mate. don't know where you come up with your suggested team sheets sometimes :)
12 Feb 2017 17:32:43
I'd go for neuer ahed of Leno mate. 👀.
14 Feb 2017 12:49:07
Why would Aubameyang join us? Please don't say because he's worked with Klopp before, you could then argue Suarez will join Celtic.
16 Feb 2017 22:35:38
Think Barcelona to celtic is a bit different from dortmund to liverpool mate.
11 Feb 2017 10:19:04
I've been looking through the posts and gauging where abouts the fans collectively think we need to strengthen.
So far at LFC Klopp has signed; 2 keepers (Karius and Manninger), 2 centre backs (Matip and Klavan), 2 midfielders (Grujic and Gini), and 1 wide player (Mane) .
He will look to build almost entirely his own team eventually, however he really likes Firmino and Henderson. You only have to listen to interviews to know that!
Additionally, whilst he is playing 4-3-3 currently to make the most of what he has (ie, too many attacking midfielders and no top strikers) his preferred system has always been 4-2-3-1.
Contrary to popular demand, it is far from clear whether Klopp will sign a keeper, centre back, or midfielder this summer; unless they are as replacements for players who were here before Klopp. There are two reasons for this. 1) Klopp is incredibly loyal to his own players. 2) Klopp is incredibly stubborn and won't easily admit faults. In his mind, these areas were addressed last year and going back to address them again is admitting he was wrong.
Manninger, Klavan and Grujic are not starters for various obvious reasons. If any of them leave it will be because it is their decision. Eg Manninger may retire, and Grujic may ask to leave due to broken promises.
Analysing the spine of the team he has thus far you have:
Manninger, Arnold, Gomez, Klavan, Grujic, Woodburn, Ejaria, Origi
That first team is short by a right back, centre back, left back, left winger and striker. Most fans tend to agree we lack a defensive midfielder in the squad, as well as better competition than Mignolet. That is 7 players.
I do not think we will sign all of the above in a single summer though. Klopp seems content with Mignolet, Lovren, Clyne and Can. His priorities will be a striker he can rely on, a left winger to give us more balance and pace, and a proper left back as we missed out last summer. After that we may try and replace Mignolet, Clyne, Can and Lovren, but even then I would not hold my breath.
Aside from Arnold (18), Gomez (19), Ejaria (18), Woodburn (17) and Origi (21) I don't think Klopp would be opposed to selling any of our other young players currently in the first team squad. These are the guys he gives most of the chances too, because these are the guys he can see the most potential in. It is not rocket science as to why Randall (21), Ojo (19), Brannagan (21), Wilson (19) etc are behind younger players in the first team pecking order. As much as we may rate them they are seemingly not currently in Klopp's long term plans. Who knows if they can change that though.
I would not be surprised to see many people go. I don't think Klopp even values Lallana or Coutinho as highly as some think. If big money offers came in I could see both being allowed to leave. Lallana lacks the consistency and mentality we require, and Coutinho as much as I love him has somehow been hyped up to a value that we cannot afford to reject. We are quick to point out that Lallana has not contributed in this baron run, but Coutinho has been far worse (his last league goal/ assist was actually on the 6th of November when we beat Watford 6-1, and he has played in 6 league games since then) . If someone offers the rumoured £50-60m for a wide player now into his mid-twenties who never hits double figures and gets injured for about 2 months of every season, LFC would be nuts to turn it down. He is a fair weather player; one of the key mentality issues in our team. There is no fight in players like Coutinho and Lallana. They are excellent when things are going well, and anonymous when things are going poorly. That doesn't make them bad players, it just means they are suited to playing in teams who can walk 90% of their league games like Bayern, PSG, Juventus or Barcelona. These are players who carry massive value in the current market, but who we would not really struggle to replace with the money they could rake in. They are not up to a Premier League title fight though and new contracts mean nothing in this world.
Klopp will completely change the face of this team over the next few years but he will not throw away his own players after 12 months. He wanted Karius, Matip, Klavan, Gini and Mane. I think Grujic was probably pushed more by Buvac, but don't expect to see them all replaced so swiftly. Klopp is loved by his previous players because of how loyal he is and he won't change.
Gk - Handanovic, Hart
Rb - Pereira
CB - Tah, Van Dijk
Lb - Robertson, Tymon, Durmisi
Cm - Dahoud, Paredes, Carvalho
Lw - Brandt, Gray, Ziyech
St - Mariano, Jiminez, Aubameyang.
11 Feb 2017 14:39:42
Nice post MK, one that gets you thinking that.
11 Feb 2017 15:33:38
That's a good read MK.
11 Feb 2017 23:20:17
TBH have to disagree with a fair amount of it. think grujic was a mistake (maybe too young) but klavan was brought in as only a back up as we were short. His role has only been made more because of the fall out with Sakho.
As for lallana and coutinho. if the rumoured talks are true about a new deal for lallana than imagine Klopp is a fan, though personally think he could be replaced (not that he isn't a good player just I'd prefer coutinho in his role with a pacy forward) . As for coutinho don't know what you are on about. Doesn't have fight in him!? He is back from an injury but have never seen him not try influence a game. Did he not bring us back into the Arsenal game start of the season? Did his individual brilliance not score a wonder goal to knock united out last season? Did he not score the third in our 3-2 win to city under Rodgers!? Truth is is our only player capable of something special just think now it's more he is better than the players around him.
Don't get me wrong can question his decision making, but is by far our most talented player. Before you say "oh can replace him" think people need to realise there are realistically 10 other positions we can improve on before replacing coutinho. There is a reason he is linked with Barcelona and PSG as oppose to "lower clubs"
12 Feb 2017 22:25:42
Ronaldinho, I think you've misinterpreted me somewhere. I don't think Coutinho needs replacing, but I think he is worth more to the club in cash than he is as a player.
He has 5 league goals though which is pretty shocking to be blunt. I am not suggesting Klopp wants to replace him, or will actively try to do so. I was merely saying that I think Firmino and Henderson are the only previous era players Klopp would issue a hands-off on.
As for Klavan he was bought after the Sakho bust up as a straight replacement. That was explained at the time.
I agree with you on Grujic. I don't see why we didn't just give Brannagan more time if I am honest. Hopefully he proves us all wrong though.
13 Feb 2017 20:57:35
Get your point but disagree entirely. Transfers aren't obvious and I can't think of a realistic target we could get for 50-60m who would be worth more for us than coutinho.
As for goals stats don't tell everything, iniesta and silva don't score much but are worth their weight in gold. Also it's 5 goals in 16 league games. that is actually pretty good for someone who had to deal with a long injury and is seen more as a creative player. Can't remember exactly who it was against but his first game back he came off bench and we looked an entirely different team and looked threatening.
Not saying we are wholly dependent on him as think it is similar with mane, Henderson, and Matip. We have the framework of a great squad and think we need to look to transfers in the most basic way. bring in 1-3 players who improve the first XI and move players who aren't seen as fighting for a first team spot.
10 Feb 2017 15:55:50
It seems that many posters believe that the squad is small. and believe that we should be strengthening by buying players. In order to buy new players we need to have space in the squad or sell to make way for the new player
I guess that the optimum size of squad would be 23ish players. According to the LFC official website we have a squad of 37 players of which 12 are on loan. This does not include TAA who is officially in the academy squad.
We obviously need to get rid of at least 4 players plus the 12 loan players in order to bring in anyone new.
If we look at the squad in depth we find apart from the loan players 3gk 7defenders 10 midfield and 5forwards
None of the3 goalkeepers are goo enough to start so one at least need to be sold in order for a top class keeper to be brought in. My choice would be SM. I would keep LK as a backup
Of the defenders only JM is good enough to start
I think DL and NC are good enough as squad players. I am not sure if JG will make it and RK AM and CR should be sold JM is down as a midfielder
Of the midfielders KS and LL need to leave. KS is not good enough and LL should be given our thanks and best wishes for past service but he is past his best and is taking up a space in the squad. JM is considered as a left back. I am not sure if EC and MG will make it.
SO needs a chance and GW AL JH and PC are genuine 1st team players
Of the strikers only RF and SM are current starters, DO needs to step up DI unfortunately with 2 injuries probably will need too long toget back to his best and DS has lost his speed and probably needs to be sold
From this I am certain that it is going to take JK more than the summer window to make us title chalengers.
09 Feb 2017 06:06:32
Mignolet (improve first team)
Ward (too much competition)
Flanagan (too much competition)
Clyne (improve first team)
Moreno (improve first team)
Can (improve first team)
Brannagan (too much competition)
Allan (cannot get permit)
Kent (too much competition)
Lennon (too much competition)
Markovic (too much competition)
Coutinho (PSG or Barca)
Sturridge (improve first team)
Sign (just guesses) :
Experienced keeper (Handanovic)
Right back who can cross (Pereira)
Left back who can cross (Robertson)
Pacey wide forward (Brandt)
Proper striker (Mariano)
Pereira, Matip, Lovren, Robertson
Mane, Firmino, Brandt
Arnold, Gomez, Klavan, Juanma
Milner, Lallana, Wilson
Randall, Brewitt, Williams, Hart
Woodburn, Ejaria, Ojo
6 first teamers out, 5 first teamers in. No need to hold onto players who won't play. Be sad to see Brannagan, Flanagan and Ward go, but we signed Karius, plus Arnold and Ejaria have clearly usurped the other two. Sadly cannot see Couts staying. I think the contract was to maximise his value, and his 5% cut. Seen this with Suarez.
Solid first team player in every position with a mixture of youth and experience in reserve. Much better full backs, and almost as importantly, far more pace in the attack. Mane, Brandt and Mariano would terrorise teams.
I know some people will be thinking we don't need such a vast overhaul, but we do. A fluid front 3 only works when we are in form, and the defence cannot cope. Milner and Lucas can provide cover in their proper positions. Any games in defence should be as emergency cover only!
I think Klopp will give Lovren one more season in front of a better keeper and to build a partnership with Matip. Personally I would not wait but there you go.
We need to stop hoarding squad quality players and actually address the weaknesses in the team. Sign players for the starting XI or at the very least the top 3 subs. The match day squad has to be improved by a signing.
We clearly lack pace going forward. Additionally, 16 of the 30 goals we have conceded were from set pieces which points to the keepers inability to organise the defence and claim a cross. At least half of the other goals came from our full backs making mistakes.
09 Feb 2017 12:14:59
Sell Coutinho and co and replace them with a proper striker in the form of Mariano what an awful idea he's a kid who was playing in Real's B team a few months ago with very little experience.
Our problem is when fully fit our best 11 are a match for anyone on the day but we lack strength in depth as our bench is not good enough compared to the top 5 teams.
Klopp really needs to change the formation as its clearly not working and we need a plan B so why not switch to either 343/ 4231/ 442 (diamond) .
Like most fans on here i agree we need the following:
GK - Keep Karuis but buy an experienced keeper so he can learn off him or replace him with either LENO OR HART.
LB - Id go for Ricardo Rodriguez or Jetro Willems and use Juanma as back up as quite a few of you on here have said he is a very good and upcoming player.
CB - Tah or Laporte to partner Matip as we need a solid partnership and both of these are young but established players.
CDM - Has to be William Carvalho as we sorely lack a true defensive midfielder the last one we had was Mascherano.
RW - Looks to be Quincy Promes as Pulisc signed a new deal, we need another player with frightening pace and goals.
LW - Julian Brandt could be an option
ST - Inaki Williams as Aubamyang will join Real Madrid.
Im not saying we will buy any of them but its clear that most fans believe we need players in the following positions and i feel the above would certainly not only strengthen the squad but also improve the current 1st team.
09 Feb 2017 15:19:58
Mariano is most certainly not a kid. He is 23 years old and has been scoring goals in men's football for years. The Real Madrid B team do not play youth football. Since he has come into the first team he is scoring something ridiculous like a goal every 45 minutes. People need to stop dreaming about signing ready made players. That has never been something Klopp does. Mane is the closest thing to a big signing he has ever made and people weren't happy about that either.
I don't want to sell Coutinho, but he will probably leave if we are honest with ourselves.
I don't think it will happen as I explained, but Laporte would be a great signing. Gibson of Middlesborough also. John Brooks of Hertha Berlin. Jeffrey Bruma of Wolfsburg. I just don't think Klopp will give up on Lovren and Klavan so soon.
Not sure on Willems or Rodriguez defensively.
I also don't see us replacing Wijnaldum after just 12 months. Carvalho is a fantasy.
Additionally, Promes would not be an option unless Mane left.
Inaki Williams is 22 years old (younger than that kid Mariano) and so far this season has 4 goals in 30 appearances. Or 1 every 560 minutes. Mariano has 5 goals in 223 minutes of football. That is literally not not half the game time Williams needs to score once.
I can completely understand why you might consider Mariano unproven at the top level, but that makes Inaki Williams a strange alternate suggestion.
10 Feb 2017 10:59:13
I suppose you have got a fair point regarding Mariano and William.
I agree that Klopp don't usually buy ready made stars but with Dortmund his only real competition was Bayern where in England there's upto 6 teams that regularly compete for top 4.
Agree that Coutinho will probably end up moving on but i don't feel he will this year.
Laporte would defiantly be my choice but to be fair as you rightly said Gibson or Brooks would also be very good additions have not seen Bruma so reserve judgement.
Im stil sticking with Rodriquez as he is a very good player. Who would your choice of LB be?
I would not replace Gini but if we are sticking to a 3 man midfield than we desperately need a world class defensive minded player in the mold of Carvalho/ Geis/ Lars Bender.
You say Promes is not an option but if we get CL football than we need quality players in the squad and not quantity, we need players that can come in to the team from the start or from the bench and make a difference instead of relying on certain players.
Also what would you do with the Goalkeeping situation as id like to keep Karuis but bring in an experienced keeper to help and push him as he was voted 2nd best German keeper which with the quality of German keepers that's a feat in itself.
And finally formation wise, do you think its working with the current formation, would you like a change in formation, playing style etc.
13 Feb 2017 09:08:31
We need to keep all our best players. Its as simple as that. Then add anonter top player to the group.
Sell a few of the non starters and not so great players.
Sturridge (needs a fresh start)
Bring in a lb. Only saw tysom against unites but he looked wickedly fast and good. Hopefully they go down and we xan get a steal. maybe markovic was sweetening the pot 😊
Gk monitor madrid and see if navas is avaliable if noone is then the minimun is get rid of migs and maybe let ward and karius have a degea lingaard style comp 😊
Markovic (further along than ojo, wilson and woodburn. better him on the bench in MY opinion)
Starting line up
Clyne Matip Lovren Tysom/ peri
Mane lallana coutinho
Subs Ward, Taa, Gomez, Milner, Can, Markovic, Origi
Rest of squad; Manninger, klavan, juanma, grujic, woodburn, ingsy, ejaria, chrivella, stewart, flannagan
What you have to remember is
Wiji 25 mil signing last summer great for us
Lallana (new contract and klopps wet dream haha for workrate anyway. and our catalyst for pressing)
Coutinho (just leave it there)
Firmino (if klopp cheated on lallana it would be with him ;) )
Point is none of them are getting dropped. And also once there all starting who would be better than any of them in klopps team? If it weren't for afcon and injuries we would of been fine. funny how there all back together and bang were back.
We have some terrific talent in the squad but don't need another 30 million signing to not get into the team and sit on the bench eg benteke!
Unless one of the team leave then we dint reallt need major work.
Do people not look at the league table? Go have a gander!
Also barca, madrid, munich, athletico, dortmund m don't have these 200million pound benches and they all do fine. We have a top first team which is maybe one or two away from a really really great team.
Trust me if we added 5/ 6 to the firdt tteam we qould be back to square one.
Slow and steady wins the race.
08 Feb 2017 16:41:35
09 Feb 2017 04:13:34
So spend about £120m but not replace either of Clyne or Milner, our too main weaknesses in the side?
08 Feb 2017 13:07:22
It is time for Klopp to move Milner up to left midfield for the rest of the season and to put Origi pn the right side of midfield and to put Mane up front with Firminho.
Their is no point in playing Sturridge anymore this season-2 Premier League goals for 150 grand a week is not good enough.
Klopp should put Gomez in at leftback and tell him not to attack-just to defend. He is 6 foot 2 inches and this team needs to have more height in it for the rest of the season.
07 Feb 2017 12:44:51
Following the discussions as of late, it seems that allot of our players are complacent and only seem to show up at "big games", a problem that has been going on for years! Klopp said he was angry after the hull defeat and expects a response from his players, which I believe he will get. However, if this complacency against the lesser teams is to stop, would you replace the players in the starting lineup, who don't always give it their all, for the Spurs game with some of our hungry youngsters to set an example? Or would it be too much of a risk?
07 Feb 2017 10:18:17
my plan for remainder of season:
1) karius for rest of season in goal. if he works his game and shows improvement we don't need a keeper in summer, if he cant, keeper is a priority. i don't know why we dropped him in the first place only to shatter his already bewildered confidence.
2) get a center back pairing for rest of the season- matip-lovren | or any body, a consistent pairing. for me the biggest reason for our current form is the inconsistency in center back pairing. no two games with same pairing of center backs in this disaster period. especially considering we don't have a defensive mid we require a consistent center back pairing. if it works out great otherwise we need a another center back in summer.
3) play a midfield of two. i think klopp is playing a three man midfield just for sake of it. one of the midfielder ( emre Can or lallana) is just doing nothing they are just wandering all over the pitch becoming an extra body ( read obstacle) in an other wise free flowing passing game. i don't think this extra man in midfield is helping out the midfield or defense in any way. And no major contribution in attack either.
4) i don't think we can defend for our lives, nope we cannot, not this season and for the same reason most teams are going to have a go at us. We can just sit back and counter our way to top 4 at this point in time. We could stop with the over pressing ( we aren't doing that either though) . so we can be intelligent about it and alter our play to outthink opponents. this is my thinking it mostly wouldn't work because i don't think we are capable of sitting back. what we are capable of though is attacking and outscoring the opposition and i feel we are going to stick with it.
5) Most importantly players need to get back at playing as they were. they have suddenly stopped playing. with no showing in the last month i guess they can't be fatigued now and have had enough rest. So time to fire on all cylinders.
might not get us top 4 but at least few good games to watch.
07 Feb 2017 10:09:01
I'd like to see Sturridge alongside Firmino in attack. Mirror how Suarez and Sturridge worked so well together. Firmino is in a similar mould to Suarez. This will add more of a goal threat.