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04 Feb 2017 22:08:07
These last few weeks have me thinking and I believe we have the capacity in the squad to change things up. It will just involve some brutal culling.

First option, switch back to last seasons 4-2-3-1. It took us to a couple of cup finals and our league position looked worse than it could've been because we rested players for the Europa league for the last 6 game weeks.

Karius
Arnold, Matip, Lovren, Milner
Henderson, Stewart
Mane, Lallana, Coutinho
Origi

A much more defensive midfield but with a proper striker up front to hold the ball up while the 3 attacking miss break forward.

Option 2, follow the latest 'in-crowd' to a 3-4-3.

Karius
Matip, Lucas, Gomez
Arnold, Hendo, Lallana, Juanma
Mane, Origi, Gini

With a back 3, the wider centre backs need that little bit more pace to stand up to wingers on the break. Having the back 3 though will allow us to throw both young full backs in without them being overly exposed. The issue here is that this formation leaves you light in centre mid so you need a central centre back (Lucas for us, Luiz for Chelsea) who can step out into midfield if required, and 2 midfielders with enough power or energy to go box to box all day (Hendo being our Matic, Lallana being our Kante) . It also kind of demands there is a striker in the box like Origi. There is no point in getting you full backs into advanced wide areas if there is nobody in the box to attack the crosses. Hence pushing Mane and Gini into the support striking roles to best utilise their presence in the box. All of those front 3 players are great in the air.

I'm no expert, and that is why I am not paid to come up with tactical solutions. But I strongly believe our squad at least has options to change things up. For whatever reason, it is not working right now. Hopefully Klopp is at least brainstorming a solution to help arrest our slide down the table. A month ago we looked on for at least one cup this season. Now we are facing a very likely drop out of the European places. Disheartening doesn't begin to explain how this feels.

Keen to know how others (EDS included) would try to freshen things up? Same players new tactics? New players same tactics? New players new tactics? Or persevere with what we are doing?

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04 Feb 2017 19:45:15
I think we are getting caught on the the counter attack after bossing every game possession wise. So the team I would like to see against Spurs is
Karius
Gomez. Matip. Loveren

Taa Moreno
Wini. Hendo

Firmino. Couts

Mane
Using Taa and Moreno as wingbacks. Bobby is not the type of player to run in behind the back line mane is.
Can't not change things now.

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04 Feb 2017 18:57:51
KARIUS

TAA MATIP LOVREN GOMES

WINALDUM

MANE COUNTINHO MORENO


ORIGI FIRMINO

What do my fellow reds think.

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04 Feb 2017 18:15:56
It's obvious the opposition have got us well and truly sussed now . So what is the answer, change of formation perhaps. So this is only my two bobs worth but how about 3-5-2 . Karius back in
Matip Gomez Lovren
Milner RWB (won't need to cut inside)
Moreno LWB (unfortunately no one else)
Henderson Coutinho and either Lallana or Winjaldum in the middle
Manè up top with either Firmino or Origi
Maybe make us less susceptible to the counter and create some natural width .
We are in serious danger of missing Champions league we've got to be in there to attract a better class of player . Anyway just my opinion.

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04 Feb 2017 14:02:59
Starting lineup:

Mignolet, Clyne, Lucas, Matip, Milner, Henderson, Can, Lallana, Coutinho, Mane, Firmino

Subs: Karius, Gomez, Moreno, Alexander-Arnold, Wijnaldum, Origi, Sturridge

Dejan Lovren and Ragnar Klavan miss today's game due to a knee injury and illness respectively.

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03 Feb 2017 16:20:25
With mane returning wonder who Klopp is going to drop out of the team between Lallana, Can and Wijnaldum.

I reckon we should go back to the midfield which did so well for majority of the season, Hendersdon, Lallana and Wijnaldum.

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03 Feb 2017 23:02:01
Yes it's got to be can.

{Ed025's Note - ...or wijnaldum...or hendo, all much of a muchness for me mate, the 3 of them are magnolia..

03 Feb 2017 23:49:02
A 3 of henderson, wijnaldum and couts/ lallana make a good midfield. Not individually spectacular, bar couts at times but they complement each other very well.

03 Feb 2017 14:48:16
I'd like to see the team go back to the squad that hit such hot form early in the season - except I'd give Karius a go.

Karius
Clyne - Matip - Lovren - Milner
Llalana - Hendo - Gini
Mane - Firmino - Coutinho

Bench : Migs, Klavan, TAA, Can, Woodburn, Origi, Sturridge.

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29 Jan 2017 21:35:52
Club needs to Start planning for the summer now.

Sell; Mignolet, Sakho, Lovren, Moreno, Can and Sturridge

We need to replace all of the above with better quality (excluding Sakho of course)

Mignolet out - Ward new back up

Lovren out - Manolas in

Moreno out - Durmisi in

Can out - Dahoud in

Sturridge out - Brandt in

Karius; Arnold, Matip, Manolas, Durmisi; Hendo, Wijnaldum; Mane, Lallana, Coutinho; Firmino

Ward; Clyne, Gomez, Klavan, Juanma; Stewart, Dahoud; Milner, Woodburn, Brandt; Origi

+ Manninger, Lucas, and Ings

25 man squad with depth and pace!

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31 Jan 2017 01:16:28
Manolas in? You play to much FIFA buddy

31 Jan 2017 12:00:06
Whos is Durmisi? We don't need another left back Milner has probably been the best left back in the premier league this season

29 Jan 2017 01:19:44
After calming down a bit, we all know that teams have figured out
1) give Coutinho, Firmino, Llalana space and you'll get cut apart, so don't.
2) but if you sit deep and hit on the counter we have a slow and panicky defence so you have a brilliant chance to score
3) sitting deep is OK because we aren't great at crossing the ball
4) and we don't have an striker or midfielder than regularly scores goals with his head (eg. Kane, Costa, Delle Ali, Giroud)

The goals conceded per shot on target is indicative of the fact we're giving away high quality scoring chances while on the flip side, sides are comfortably conceding 70-80% possession to us on a regular occasion. On the plus side if we manage to solve this problem of how to score with 70-80% possession we'll be very very difficult to beat.

First thing we obviously need is to stop overcommiting in attack and stop the breakaway goals. I thought we looked far more solid with 3 at the back in the second half against wolves but at a minimum I think we need to consider a 4-2-3-1 so when we push up the fullbacks we have more behind the ball on any turnovers. Matip is crucial but we need to look at either replacing Klavan or getting him more support as he's just not quick enough to be isolated 1-1.

Second we need to improve our delivery from out wide. Only decent crosses seem to be coming in from TAA at the moment and even that's inconsistent. I think we need to sell Moreno for a new LB as unfortunately he's not dangerous enough and Milner can do with some backup from a left footed LB than can deliver a cross. Mane will also help as he naturally stays wide and tries to get in behind. As a more radical move, I'd be tempted to try Milner RB as he can really deliver a killer ball with his right boot and try Juanma at LB to see if he can do better.

Striker and midfield headers are a problem that I suspect we are going to have to buy for, Sturridge isn't showing the ability to unlock defences or threaten aerially so should be moved on in the summer. It's hard to get a player like Costa though, and I suspect Firmino and Origi will be fine in time, we just need movement to create the half a yard and quality deliveries. What I think we should consider in the interim is bringing a deep midfielder in and pushing Hendo further forward again. I'd even be happy to see Stewart sitting alongside Hendo until we can.

Hendo has been brilliant in the deeper role, but if he has the freedom to push forward he is good at arriving late in the box or even delivering dangerous crosses of his own or shooting from distance. We haven't seen as much of that from gini as I'd hoped and I'm sure we'd be more of a threat with hendo in that box to box role for a while.

In short I'd be tempted to go with this setup for a while and see how it goes. We lack height but with Mane and Coutinho able to get in behind and quality balls across the box or pull-backs I think we'll score eventually while Hendo/ Stewart will off more cover to Matip/ Lovren as the fullbacks essentially become wingbacks.

Migs
TAA - Matip - Lovren - Milner
Hendo - Stewart
Mane - Llalana - Coutinho
Firmino

Or alternatively a 3-4-3 of
Gomez - Matip - Lovren
Mane - Hendo - Gini - Milner
Llalana - Coutinho
Firmino

Thoughts?

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28 Jan 2017 01:20:35
Side I'd like to see vs Wolves - you know they will try sit deep and hit on the counter so don't over commit but play two deep midfielders and let the front 4 free to play in the box for TAA and Moreno to hit

Also has bit of pace out wide from Ojo to get in behind, Woodburn for his creativity and close control, and Gini for the experienced head to control the attacking pace (and not too bad in the air himself when arriving late in the box) . Origi the finisher and needs to add the physical threat to the CBs so they can't rely on always being able to outmuscle us.

------------------Karius--------------------
TAA-------Matip----Gomez---Moreno
--------------Stewart---Lucas------------
----Woodburn----Gini---------Ojo------
----------------------Origi-------------------

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