17 Dec 2023 19:44:44
Ed001, I got to ask, what do you do with our forwards? Mainly Nunez and Gakpo, both fairly new money signings. Both that seemingly can't finish.
I watch nunez, and I'm baffled at some of his decision making, he clearly has it in his locker, but somehow manages to make the worst decision at nearly every juncture. And his ability to be offside when he can clearly see the line is really confusing (this also applies to diaz) . Do you just have to try and develop them? or are we just going to be desperate like a lot of big teams for a proper striker in the summer?

{Ed001's Note - work with them, Gakpo is just a victim of his ability to play lots of positions so he isn't getting to settle into one position. Instead he is played here, there and everywhere. Nunez just needs time and work with the coaches, the ability is there. I wouldn't worry about the offside thing, a striker looking to run in behind is regularly going to get caught offside, it is just the way it is. You say they can see along the line, but they are busy looking at the man with the ball to look at when to run, not along the line. That is only really relevant if someone is out wide, as then they can see the back line out of the corner of their eye constantly.}

1.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 02:28:15
Nunez has gone off the boil a bit in terms of his G/ A output, but I think the pundits are driving a bit of fan hysteria about it. I think we need to focus more on how do we move forward on the path rather than constantly trying to think about how to re-pave the path or whether to take a different path altogether.

2.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 04:12:25
Great things take time. I get frustrated with Nunez too as we can clearly see he can be one of the best in world. But its going to take time. How long you ask? As long as it takes for pep ljinders to get out of the club. even yesterday we were very predictable untill gomez came then our attack sparked more. Should be using the flanks. I guess its going to take some time for the coaching staff to realise that and change. So let's be patient untill then.10 years ago we would be killing to be in this position. its not always about winning. By the way how can R. Keane call anyone arrogant?.

3.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 04:45:30
Ed1, we seems to have lost the fluidity in attack that we usually see in Klopp team. Few seasons ago, our attack build up is fast and clinical with a lot of movement up front and most teams can't cope with that.

Last season and especially this season, we seem a lot more rigid and so slow in our build up play. Lack of overlapping full back and constantly trying go through the middle seems hurting us a lot. Do you think there is any chance this will change?

{Ed001's Note - not while Lijnders is involved, no.}

4.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 07:53:08
It was nothing to do with any system yesterday. We played against a team with zero confidence and who had many players out injured. We showed no fight, no desire, we couldn’t pass the ball properly, we couldn’t control the ball. The fans were just as bad, it was totally flat, totally unacceptable.

Man U even had the best chance of the game. They better shake themselves or Arsenal will punish them.

5.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 07:43:26
Most of Nunez offside yesterday he was stood on the edge of the Utd box.

I still don’t understand what he was doing when Diaz was challenged by their keeper and the ball was still in play with an open goal. My nan would have been quick enough to stop that ball going out and score it.

6.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 08:21:29
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that we are ignoring one critical aspect in most sports - space. For all the intricacies to this new "fad" of playing through the middle with an overloaded centre nullifies our weapons in Salah/ Nunez/ Diaz. Far too often do I see Mo receiving the ball 50 yards away on the touchline with hard yards to get into decent shooting positions

Ed has mentioned it on plenty of match reviews that it doesn't work and If it does? Only To a certain style of opposition setups

Gone of the days where our fullbacks were competing with each other for the most assists.

Strangely enough, there's enough evidence throughout the year that JK, when reversed back to his original style, that we played with more fluidity from back to front and created more using the width of the pitch.

Sniffing around the top of the table and challenging is something I'm always joyfully grateful for but, the intensity to provoke crowd interaction and enjoyment is slowly dissipating which is why Klopp and Anfield was/ is such a great fit

In Klopp I trust but man oh man, can I shake him ?.

7.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 08:21:38
I get frustrated with Nunez too as we can clearly see he can be one of the best in world. But its going to take time

you really haven't seen a lot of strikers, haven't you. I don't see any fuss around nunez. the fans making him some sort of Benzema that's it. the guy can't hit a barn door and all he has is a pack full of yellow cards which he picks up every week no matter what.

8.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 08:29:04
I really don't get this blaming of Lijnders. Still in the Carabao, can go top of the league on Saturday and last 16 of the Europa, does he deserve praise for that? I've got no view on him one way or another, but if he does have such an influence, then the buck stops with Klopp for allowing it. No one mentions Lijnders when we're winning.

9.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 08:31:49
Ed
I see above you mention Darwin working with the coaches
My worry is - do we actually do that kind of work?

Everything I always see is keep-ball on training
He’s still snatching at chances and trying to smash the leather off it

The biggest concern for me is this style of play doesn’t suit him, and he doesn’t fit in to this style of play.

{Ed001's Note - then we should change the style of play to suit him and our other players, because the way we are playing is not suiting anyone really.}

10.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 08:51:03
Harry, that's one of the most contradictory posts you've ever put out. You say Nunez can be one of the best in the world, then say he can't hit a barn door and you don't know what the fuss is about. You obviously post utter nonsense just so people like me take time to challenge your rubbish and take the bait.

11.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 08:58:14
Agreed Rome, he gets no praise when we win but most of the criticism when we lose. Yesterday was about how crap the players played nothing else. VvZv and Allison apart.

12.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 09:25:22
People harking back to the ‘good old days’ when we had Trent and Robbo high are the same people that were moaning that we had no goals from midfield back then.

We now have midfield players that want to create, get forward and score goals so we simply can’t play with high fullbacks. Didn’t you notice Utd didn’t get in our half until Gomez came on? Then they didn’t attack down the flanks they just waltzed straight through the middle of the park!

We can’t play those tactics with attacking midfielders we’d ship goal after goal. Then you’d all be moaning about how off form VVD is and how he’s finished and we need new defenders.

You have to think about defensive tactics as well as offensive ones. As good a Virgil is he can’t do it all on his own.

13.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 10:02:25
For me, we are still a work in progress and there are reasons for this. I disagree that the team had no fight and no desire cos we all saw how we started the game like a house on fire. The problem is that we looked disjointed going forward and creatively. That is where we are struggling. We have had the same issue for the past few games so nothing surprising happened yesterday, if we are all looking at things deeply.

Also, our forwards are out of form. Since the Int'l break, only Salah has scored a goal out of the forwards in the 9 goals we have scored coming into last night. Sorry, there is your problem, right there. In addition, we are having difficulty with fluidity in our build up and decision-making in the final third. I think we overplay way too much and take too many touches on the ball before releasing it to the forwards hence why at times, Darwin is offside. We need to play faster and love the ball quicker. For me, we are still a work in progress despite our great position in the table, IMO.

14.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 10:07:44
I think it has everything to do with the set up. We witnessed against Luton, congesting the midfield with the inverted full back just doesn’t work! The same yesterday, United clearly came with a Burnley tactic in mind and we should have been ready for this.
Why we don’t use the flanks to create space is beyond me.

15.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 10:12:19
Ed01- completely agree with changing our style of play
I personally think us playing on the counter would get the best out of the front 3 and avoid trying to get players to play a style they’re not used to.

16.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 10:57:50
Rome1977!, are you meeting Harry for the first time or something?

17.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 10:58:12
At what point will we admit that the tactics stink? It's been going on for multiple seasons now and we just persist.

We're basically trying to play a cheap rip-off of De Zerbi-ball with Klopp's racehorses.

18.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 11:57:34
Drogie, even Burnley don't play that way anymore.

19.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 12:13:32
OliRed, I know, mate. I'm an old fool who shouldn't rise to the bait. I was feeling a bit tetchy this morning!

20.) 18 Dec 2023
18 Dec 2023 12:13:40
@Mark08, " he (Darwin) gets no praise when we win but most of the criticism when we lose".

And I got the receipts to back this up. Against Toulouse at home the the EL, Darwin scored a goal, had an assist and overall, a very good game overall. But cos he beat two players, rounded the GK and hit the post (Gravenberch scored off the rebound), that's all many people focused on. Got next to NO credit for his overalL contribution. So not only does he get slammed when we lose or draw, he gets slammed when we actually win and when he plays well and actually scores.

So for me and as much as I think he needs to seriously improve (and that goes for all our fowards), if you are not going to give him credit for the things he does do well then, don't come around here lamming him for things that he did not do well. Nor for things he and the other forwards are also guilty of. Just my take.