18 Aug 2018 11:34:01
Couple of points about potential outgoing players. I’ve seen grujic mentioned for Leeds, I would love the move for the lad as a year at Leeds with Bielsa could do wonders for him and his development. But I’ve read he has already turned down two options for loans in the championship.

Mignolet and Karius’ options are twindling but i’m Guessing one will end up in Turkey. Think both deserve a new chance somewhere else especially Karius who has taken an underserved amount of grief but I personally think it’ll be migs that leaves with karius stayng as number two until January.

Then there is Markovic who I also think will end up turkey, another one we have massively let down.

Solanke needs a loan as he is massively down the pecking order especially if studge stays fit.

1.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 11:55:29
I really don't understand why Grujic is turning down loan options when he's going to be just collecting dust at Liverpool. I'd also like to see him at Leeds, Bielsa would get the best out of him imo so it'd be interesting to see how he'd get on.

2.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 12:11:18
I think it’s because he sees himself as a higher level, but go out there and prove it. Unfortunately if he stays he may get a couple of league cup games at best, in order to develop you need to be getting regular minutes.

3.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 12:35:47
Not really sure how we are letting these players down. They are on obscene wages and it’s the nature of the beast at every club, you only play if you are good enough and producing the goods.

4.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 13:15:30
We have let down players for various reasons, Markovic before his move was one for the future, Ed002 eluded on many occasions we brought him too soon and we have messed around his development. And Karius is a Liverpool player who made mistakes but he didn’t deserve being dragged through the mud as he was, even if he is on huge wages compared to the rest of us. Hopefully he gets the chance to rebuild his career elsewhere as I think the ship has sailed at Liverpool for him.
We as a club have a responsibility to develop the players we purchase, some of it is also down to the player, but in the past our loan structure has been poor for the younger players, so I do think we have let players down previously.

5.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 13:18:00
You're right JK23, but i think things have to also be seen in terms of commitments and/ or promises that the club has made, to the player. We have no idea what exact written or verbal promises are made or have been made to all these players. Otherwise, every single football player (since the day he first stepped onto a footballl field at whatever age) knows really well that he will play only if he is the best available on that particular day. So for him to expect things to change at the professional level is actually quite foolish. I think most of us will agree that as a player's career progresses, things actually become more competitive and more difficult, very rarely less.

6.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 15:26:18
Not every player plays at every club and not every player works out. These players are doing a job they love and are getting rewarded financially well. They’re not being held hostage and their development is down to themselves just as much as it is the club. Markovic hasn’t set any clubs alight in any of his loan moves but that is probably LFC’s fault as well for buying him too soon.

7.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 16:04:47
Sorry but this really gets my goat when it kept being said the club let these players down.

They have been give the honour of playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world and paid more money than most of us will see in a lifetime.

Things don't always work out that's life.

8.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 16:32:25
The club has, yes the player has a responsibility to prove there good enough and yes not every transfer will work out. But the club has a responsibility to the players to try and do what’s best by them, exactly the same as any employer. Markovic barely got a chance and then shifted around on loan from club to club, if he wasn’t in the clubs plans we should of found a permanent deal for the lad.

I am not saying for a second that it’s all down to the club but they need to take some responsibility for players careers whilst they are employed by the club.

9.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 16:59:22
Markovic is a poor example mate, yes he's had few chances but he's clearly not good enough to play at this level loan after loan has proved that if he was good enough why are clubs not lining up to buy him? .

Your right the club should do everything to help him move on, I personally think all clubs should be forced to release players when they are maybe into there 3/ 4th year and not playing regularly? .

10.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 17:05:02
Couldn’t disagree more with WYred.

Hopefully Ed002 come along and likes you post or gives you the reply you crave. Mistakes are made but a 2 way street.

If your life was unbearable in your current job but you were offered a chance to go to another job would you turn it down? And at this point money is not an option as they are not on the bread line like the every day man.

Same goes for Migs and Karius and whoever else. If they want to stay at clubs chasing the coin instead of being happy that’s their fault. They need to weigh up their options as before you know it your career has gone.

Life is what you make of it.

11.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 17:09:08
At what point do we put any responsibility on these young players and there advisors.

At what point do agents get held responsible for advising money moves instead of progress moves.

Look at players like pulisic, choosing to wait, choosing to stay at a place where he can play instead of not getting a chance at a bigger club and having the right people around him.

We have players now who are moving and making sensible moves, there's not many but they are choosing places to play rather than just money.

Markovic, grujic, origi, can, Moreno, karius all decided to move to a juggernaut like l8verpiol and all got heavily paid. Did they think they would just walk in the team. You should only ever make a big move like that when you are at the top of your game.

You know what the pressure is like and how rich these clubs are, being able to go out and buy anyone they want, challenging for trophies, no mistake places.

Same as academy kids. Any parent should be choosing league 1 and 2 club's. Never send them to the top unless there is a guarantee of at least a clear path with academy players in the first 5eam.

Put them in Tranmere, if there good enough like players like Ali or vardy there going to get up there eventually.

12.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 17:35:11
That my point 911, every effort should of been made to help him start a new chapter instead he’s just moved from loan to loan with very little plan.

I get people say they earn hundred of thousands of pounds so it’s down to them, but the average joe can move a lot more freely than a footballer.

Taffy I post my opinion because it’s a forum If I wanted a reply from Ed002 I’d ask a direct question to him/ her/ part time rodeo clown.

KLoppsboss I’ve said above that the club and the player have a responsibility, at the end of the day the club is an employer who should do what’s best by their employees.

If you are a 20 year old promised thousands a week it’d be hard to reject but the club then needs to help their development as money isn’t everything. as well as the youngster proving their worth, see my above point about grujic.

13.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 20:50:10
I don't think we have let karius down. I think we are protecting him. After the year he had last season he needs some time out of the limelight as a no2.

14.) 18 Aug 2018
18 Aug 2018 21:11:57
Think part of the problem is changing manager every few years. Markovic was a Brendon buy and we all know Rogers bought for the sake of it with no clear plan. Unfortunately for him Klopp doesn’t rate him so he’s now stuck between a rock and a hard place. The club want a similar fee as we paid and the lad wants similar wages to what he’s getting now. Someone’s got to lower there expectations and for me it should be the club. We bought him for a project that didn’t work we should cut our loses.

15.) 19 Aug 2018
19 Aug 2018 04:35:49
They are being messed around if the club prices them out of a move ( which ed2 has said in a few occasions is the case) and aren't in the clubs plans moving forward. cut your losses and move them on for the sake of the player ( at a reasonable cost) and for the sake of the club. whatever player like markovic is worth now it will halve again in January.

16.) 19 Aug 2018
19 Aug 2018 08:48:12
My individual take is that for any 1 to be successful at any thing they do consistency is needed, try finding a new job that pays you mega bucks but has dodgy process in place. What are the odds of you actually being successful? We can't blame someone who was made false promises to as way to convince them to join only to find they just that false promises. Marko ain't the only 1,Tiago the messiah, gosh the list is actually a bit lengthy. Not saying players are immune to blame but the fact that this happeneds regularly hints a problem. If we pride ourselves on keeping the pride that's linked with our badge then that alone should be the reason to bigger man and take responsibility.