21 Jan 2018 11:42:07
Right, so in a previous post Ed001 mentioned payment terms for VVD. LFC obviously did not pay the transfer fee in one lump sum.

Same with Coutinho, there is no way Barcelona would have paid out his fee in one shot.

That is why Ed002 refuses to discuss money.

Coutinho's fee is not going to be paid in one lump sum and then you get pundits and fans who think the club immediately have £140m to spend or whatever final LFC and Barcelona negotiated for Coutinho.

So no, just because Coutinho went for a mouthwatering amount does not mean LFC have that mouthwatering amount transferred in the bank.

My message to all LFC fans. Forget about the fee of the player. If the club can afford the transfer transaction then they will sign on the dotted line.

Finally, Van Dijk's fee also was not paid in one lump sum so if you see sky or any other newspaper reporting that LFC have broken their transfer record spending £100m on player X then forget about the fee being reported.

Just think of the fee as buying a car over x amount of months.

Unless you have the cash to burn, none of us are likely to pay cash up front for a new car unless you have a bank account which can accommodate it.

Rant over.

1.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 12:03:46
The clubs will be aware of this, however, so it can be used knowing that money will be coming in to pay for another player in instalments. It may not be in one lump, but selling clubs still know that money will be coming.

2.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 12:17:06
Yes but whoever we buy with the 140m the payments will be spread out too. It all works out the same in the end the lions share upfront and payment plan for the rest the same as every transfer in and out so if we bought x for 70m we’d pay 40 and 30 in a payment plan etc etc. In the end we have 140m coming in and whatever going out so stop being pedantic we all know these things aren’t instant but the facts are that money is coming and that money is going.

{Ed001's Note - no we wouldn't. We would have less than 140m coming in, as we have to take out all kinds of fees and taxes. Then going out we would pay the fees on top + the initial lump sum is usually raised via a short term loan, which costs in interest.}

3.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 12:21:53
Our first installment for VVD was just over £23m and the next 2 payments will be made over the next two years (same amount) . The rest of the fee is add-ons.

4.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 12:48:31
I just wish people would stop posting we can by 'these' players with the money Coutinho has been sold for. It is quite laughable.

It does not work that way!

If LFC can afford VVD over the next let's say 3 seasons, transfer fee broken up in installments plus wages, bonuses etc then they would have bought him which they did.

Forget about VVD being bought at whatever amount LFC and Soton agreed upon. If VVD gets sold 2 seasons later then the club will once again decide whether they can afford the next most expensive CB ever over x amount of seasons.

As it has been explained many times over, the Coutinho deal has nothing to do with VVD's arrival.

If the club can afford player X at 100m over the next 5 seasons then they will do the deal. If not, they will walk away.

5.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 13:12:20
Yep ed2 has explained the taxes and fees and that too before like I said we all who come here know what’s involved in fees etc there’s no need to be pedantic like I said. But we will get that the same way Barcelona got 198m minus taxes and fees etc etc for Neymar the same as every transfer that ever happens and ever did happen. We can’t be specific because we don’t know the specifics only what the media reports because we don’t have access to the thing 002 does. So let’s say only 120m reaches us after tax and fees (as a random guess) over the course of the payment plan. We will in turn pay taxes and fees on top of any fee and payment plan agreed with and player we buy. So it’ll be less and more that we recive and pay respectively but that’s the way of the world. We’re probably still paying for wijnaldum and salah and mane and Robertson etc the same as we’re probably still recieving the money for players we’ve recently sold like Lucas and skrtel and borini (probably all bad examples) but you get the point.

6.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 13:28:22
Wasn’t £105m of Coutinhos fee upfront?

{Ed002's Note - You need to step away from all of the numbers.}

7.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 13:36:40
I think Neymar's was exception wasn't it? got the full amount in a single lump whoever paid it.

8.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 13:46:29
Jezza, it all comes down to whether LFC can afford the players they buy. Each transfer is individual. If the club can afford Lemar over whatever how many years then they will go ahead and sign the player.

If LFC cannot afford Lemar then they look elsewhere.

It is as simple as that. The money we receive from the Coutinho deal each season has no bearing on whether we can afford the next signing we make. If the club can afford the signing then the deal will be done. If not then tough sh*t.

9.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 14:28:09
Well obviously. But 70 goes into 140 how many times max? That means we can afford it. Seriously tho well done for knowing that if we can’t afford a player we can’t buy a player. Now try pointing at your a*se and then try pointing at your elbow ask someone to tell you if you’ve managed it correctly :)

10.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 14:36:47
I know, let's all post the same nonsense over and over again about transfer fees.

Jeez, you all need to heed the advice of the eds and leave any monetary talk alone.

All talk of fees just lines the pockets of the tabloids and idiots like sky. They use it to generate custom because any mention of money and like fools we all read it.

You are ruining a really good forum with the same old boring rubbish.

11.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 14:43:31
Jezza, £140m for Coutinho over how many years? I bet you know that? Cough Cough.

Barcelona only finished paying Suarez off last season if I can remember correctly.

The VVD deal has to be far more complicated than the Coutinho deal because of how we handled the situation and let me tell you, extremely expensive.

Facts are facts, just because we sold Coutinho does not mean we can go sign another player at the same value as each transfer is individual. If you cannot understand that then maybe have Ed002 explain it to you but unfortunately he does not discuss money.

12.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 14:42:13
People like having a quantifiable amount to talk about so they can compare good value (or not) of players. Average Joe certainly doesn't understand ins and outs of football finance so round figures used to stack up as Top Trumps comparisons makes sense. When X is sold for Y, there is this amount left to buy A and B. It may not be true but, if you didn't have any semblance of fees and value, how would you know that Messi is too expensive for Burnley or that Newcastle can't compete financially with Liverpool. My point is, the numbers may all be broadly inaccurate but they do give average Joe some sort of perspective.

Really, it is just that people in large numbers are stupid and will happily believe what is the easiest thing to find out. This, more often than not is what they are selectively told, not what they have had to find out for themselves.

By the way, the only way I feel I am not just average Joe is because of this site. So cheers eds. If you throw enough mud at a wall, eventually some of it sticks.

13.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 16:13:35
This was the right post to rrad at 4am. thank ypu and good Night people!

14.) 21 Jan 2018
21 Jan 2018 16:41:39
Sorry max you seem to think 70 and 140 are the same. Poor you. I’ll leave you to it kid.