12 Jan 2018 10:14:33
Griezmann?

Forget it!

While i can see us being able to afford his transfer fee i highly DOUBT we would entertain his apparent request's from interested parties of £400K a week.

Never going to happen.
Nothing to see here.

vrcomp
Y. N. W. A.

1.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 10:44:26
He can play anywhere across a front 3, but does he even get into our team? 🤔

I'm not convinced he does to be honest. He has 8 goals this season playing as the main goal scorer or Atletico. That's 16 less than Salah, 8 less than Firmino, and level with Mane who has barely played so far.

I'd be disappointed if this is the player Macca was on about 😞 i wanted a top, top midfielder or goal keeper. It would be nice to have 4 top class players for 3 forward positions, but not when we have no top class players in midfield.

2.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 10:52:44
And I loath the little telephone dance he does.

3.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 11:14:01
Agreed MK, it makes 0 sense. We have firmino playing his position every game, if there is any position we should not be buying for it is that, yet we are crying out for reinforcements in midfield. Not only would i be disappointed because it makes no sense, but it would be such a waste of our time and resources because its never going to happen.

4.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 11:15:11
I can't deal with this 😂 I've spent 12 months telling United fans he is over rated (he's top class, not world class), and I'm not going to change my opinion now just because we're linked. 8 goals for a striker in all competitions by mid January is shocking. To be fair though he is good for 20-30 goals a season normally, but that is in Spain where every team plays football, the pitches are perfect, the weather is beautiful and the league is top heavy. His game is based around clever movement, a great touch, decent interplay around the box, and clinical finishing anywhere inside 25 yards.

He's not going to add to our midfield, because he is too lazy and weak to play there. Equally, he doesn't have a good passing range and he's nowhere near as good at running at teams as Coutinho. He is a top class goal scorer (never world class though like some people make out) but only a decent attacking midfielder from what I've seen. I could only see it working in a 4-4-2 with Griezmann and Firmino up top, and Mane and Salah wide. Taking Salah that far away from goal and burdening him with more defensive duties seems stupid to me though. He is on course for 50 in his current role. Griezmann has never scored more than 36 as far as i know (though i hadn't paid any notice of him until about 3 years ago) .

Well at least it would be proof we can still compete in the market, and at least it would be a top class player coming in rather than 3 good players. It's not my job to make it work as a team 😂 over to you, Klopp.

5.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 11:22:51
Griezmann - wouldn't get in our team? That to me says you don't know what you are talking about.

The front 3 will not play every game so he fills in central of left. Meaning we can always play the same system. He will get plenty of goals and assists.

When all 4 are fit, Mane will play attacking midfield and carry the ball or Firminho will play behind the front 3. Griezmann would make our first 11 much better. I don't think he will come but he would take us up a level.

6.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 12:12:05
He would walk into the team and take Mane's spot without a doubt.

7.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 12:26:00
Mark you are paraphrasing, to try and have a dig at me for an opinion i don't even have. My posts made it clear that i don't think Griezmann would be a part of our first choice front 3 if we kept the current system.

I never said he wouldn't get game time. With rotation and injury, he'd get plenty. I did also suggest an alternate system where all 4 could theoretically play together at times.

You've just tried to find a reason to insult me, instead of debating my actual point; that a midfielder is more of a priority than a 4th top class forward. He definitely takes us up a level in terms of depth and overall squad quality, because he's a top class forward. I just genuinely believe that a top class midfielder would improve our starting XI more than Griezmann would (unless Klopp has a master plan that I'm missing) . That doesn't mean i don't think he would improve us. Of course he would or he wouldn't be so highly rated. He just wouldn't be my priority, is all.

You even said yourself that he "fills in central or left". I get that he could give us quality in depth. For the money he'd cost though, he would have to start, so we'd have to tweak the system. I would hope Klopp would do just that and we'd be even better going forward. That's what he's paid for. But it seems unnecessary when we could just sign a player to improve the current system. Would you not agree with that?

8.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 12:40:06
Brisbane, were you about when Ed002 did the Galactic team? Mane was pretty much universally voted in as the left winger.

Yet here we are, about 4 months later. Mane has been injured/ suspended/ ill so everyone has forgotten all about how he was our best player last season. Coutinho has left so it needs to be dramatized; "Mane isn't fit to replace him". And Griezmann has been linked so he has to be hyped "He'd walk in ahead of Mane".

Hilariously, neither of Coutinho or Griezmann were voted for as the other left winger. So please forgive me for not being a part of the fickle majority. When i give an opinion, it is not based on a bit of in the moment hysteria. I said Mane was the one of the best left wingers in the world 4 months ago, and so did most others. The difference is, i have the conviction to stick to my opinion instead of changing it every 5 minutes to suit current affairs.

Griezmann is not a better player than Mane, Firmino or Salah in any of their individual positions. So to fit him in, we'd have to tweak the system. If Klopp thinks he is good enough to justify doing that, he will do it and I'll back him to make it work. The grass on the other side only appear greener because it is fertilized with BS.

9.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 13:15:58
Griezmann
Mane Firmino Salah
Can Henderson
Moreno VanDijk Matip Gomez
Karius

In a 4231 Griezmann can get in our team.

10.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 13:49:25
VakPa the problem there is Can and Henderson. One is leaving and the other might never be fit enough to be a key player again.

Keita and Chamberlain are both likely to play in midfield next season and I'm not sure a 2 man midfield suits either of them that much. If we ask Firmino to drop deeper to help our creatively then we will lose his pressing from the front. Firmino would have to play up front with Griezmann for me. Maybe just off him. To accommodate that though, Salah will have more creative and defensive responsibilities, dropping deeper to receive the ball and drive us forward, but also helping out his full back. He is quite capable. That is how he played at Roma, and he assisted 15 goals in his last season there. He also only scored 19 goals though (5 less than he has already this season) because he didn't have the freedom to wait on the shoulder of the last man all game, like he can in our current system.

There are definitely ways to fit Griezmann into our team and it will make us stronger going forward, overall. I'm purely debating whether or not he is the best option for us, because i think a creative midfielder would make us even stronger still! For me, playing with 2 strikers cuts down the chances for your wide forwards and basically turns them in wingers. That's fine, but if anybody thinks Griezmann will come in and score 30 goals, without Salah, Firmino and Mane's goal tally being affected slightly they are in a dream world. If it was as simple as just adding loads of goal scorers and none of them getting in each others ay at times, everyone would do it. You need to set up to play a certain way and get players which suit that system. Griezmann does not fit in to our current system unless you drop Salah; the goal scorer. That doesn't mean we can't change the way we play to fit them both in though.

11.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 14:00:36
MK no one agrees with you on this. Griezmann gets in our first 11 everyday of the week. No matter what system, we play. You talk as if we have a team that is the best in Europe.

Griezmann gets in every club sides first 11. (Barca first 11 I would listen to that argument) . Put it another way I really hope he doesn't end up at Man ure.

I am starting to think we disagree on nearly everything about football MK.

12.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 14:04:10
This is the Arsenal approach, we tried but we couldn't get it done in the end, will make FSG look good to the guilable fans :) And we end up signing no one, or they have decided to keep selling our best players and will cash in on Salah in the summer for 3 times what they paid for him ;)

13.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 14:05:22
Your first post says he wouldn't get in our team, which is total BS.

14.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 14:06:23
Hmmmm sorry but anyone who wouldt want him in their side is mad. lol
The fella is quality and I genuinely feared he was of to utd. as I thought he would be the player that turned them from top 4 back to champions.
If lfc pull this off it would be amazing and really propel us back to where we want to be.
It would also make attracking signing easier in the summer.

I just wonder though. this is very un fsg. could there be a take over on the cards.

15.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 14:33:59
Mark, i don't care who agrees with me 😂 if i cared who agreed with me I'd jump on the bandwagon. I will happily amass thousands of thumbs down, because at least I'm being honest with myself and sticking to my guns. The normal opinion is like a flag; it changes direction with the wind!

Mane was voted by all of us as the best left winger in the world, our team is currently built around Firmino, and Salah is currently one of the highest goal scorers in Europe. The only forwards in world football who i think gets in our team is Messi ahead of Firmino and Neymar ahead of Mane. No other forward gets into our front 3 when all fit, in my opinion. That's because Messi is the only better false 9, and Neymar is the only better left forward. Salah for me, is the best right forward in the world. Is it that much of a crime nowadays to appreciate what you have?

I did not say he wouldn't get in our team. I asked the question if he would, and then explained why I'm not fully convinced he would start if everyone was fit, in our current 4-3-3. I then explained an alternative scenario as to how he does get in our team, if we switch to a 4-4-2. You are making stuff up to belittle my opinion.

Griezmann is a top class player. He will definitely get games at any team in the world. I have not once disputed that. All i have said is that; 1) i think fitting him in would require a change of system, 2) I have said i think he is top class rather than world class, and 3) I've explained that I'd prefer to stick with our current system and sign a creative midfielder instead.

I couldn't give a monkeys whether people agree with me though. It's my opinion and I'm going to express it. It is common knowledge that most football fans would rather see loads of money spent on a player they don't really need, than to spend a modest fee on a player they do need. Everyone wants a marquee/ statement signing, rather than the right signing. Sorry, but i don't subscribe to that hysteria nonsense.

If Griezmann joins, I'm sure he'll be great for us and score lots of goals once he's settled in. It's a definite improvement to the squad, and if Klopp can get it to work, the starting line up. I just think we'd have improved more by targeting a player like Kroos, for example. If it's so wrong of me to want to sign a player for a position we are actually weak in and to support the players we already have, then fine, I'm wrong.

16.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 15:33:27
Wholeheartedly agree Adam - how people are jumping on you for this I don't understand. Well presented argument as always.

17.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 15:46:51
Cheers Cotsi! At least now i know who my one agree is on my posts 😂.

18.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 16:05:07
Totally agree with MK on this one. As good a player as Griezmann is (and he definitely gets in the team), I would say the need for a creative midfielder is greater. Taking money out of the equation, I still think Lemar suits our needs better. Plus, let's be serious, there is not a chance AG is actually going to join.

19.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 16:05:52
No worries mate, I just think people must ignore half the stuff you write as you've put a very reasoned argument together for why you think another position would be more beneficial without saying AG isn't a top quality player. For people to say you have no idea what you're talking about it just absurd, but I guess that's just my opinion ha.

Personally I would be super excited by the signing, but not as excited as I would be if it were someone like Kroos/ Vidal etc.

20.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 16:15:52
I don't agree at all on what you have been saying but the last post was a good one. I remember in the summer on the site was a world 11. I like Mane a lot and am looking to him for the rest of the season but there must be a few better for his position Neymar to name one.

If it was 4-3-3 I can't see how Mane gets in that team. What was the team MK?

21.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 16:50:58
Cheers Tommy and Cotsi.

Mark if you search 'Galactic' you'll find it. Mane was the only Liverpool player to be voted into the team. I think Firmino, Coutinho and Salah got a few votes, but none made the cut except Mane.

To be fair to you mark, you've been consistent. You've been one of a select few saying we need a goal scorer ahead of Firmino all along. What's bothered me is that a, lot of people who have been slaughtering you and saying we don't need a striker, are now busting a nut over Griezmann, and that everyone who said Mane was our best player last season now seems overly keen to kick him whilst he's down. For me, Mane is better than Coutinho or Griezmann on the left of a front 3. That's just my opinion though. Everyone agreed 4 months ago, but football has a short memory.

22.) 12 Jan 2018
12 Jan 2018 18:24:27
I would take him in a flash, and really would not complain at all.

Player I would choose over anyone for our needs. veratti.