18 Sep 2017 16:34:56
Sgred you have a great comment about strikers and what type of striker will suit against different type of teams. For MK i have always reapected your post but no one is blaming Firminio, to be honest he should have the least of any blames. he works very hard he reminds me so much of Kuyt with a bit of flair. But Firminio on wings is completletly wasted. We rely on 2 pacy winger so in absence of one we loose that pace. every sucessfull team had/ have a 20+ goal striker, firminio is not that guy. This is where my argument comes, bobby is perfect to take over the #10 role from Cout and we should have got a pure #9 who can score 20 goal/ season. Sturridge is not that guy i assure u, solanke or Origi are better fit for that #9, both still raw but givem the chance will do better than Sturridge. For my Lfc family there is nothing wrong in pointing Kloops mistakes as his stubborness and his silly system is costing us point. please don't look at the point by other teams, look at the points gained by some. don't hope for othet teams to have a drop in form as that might never happen and we would have a great ooppurtunity again. let's take advantage of every game we play and try to gain max point from them. I feel we all know deep down that we are not good enough for any major trophys and that's why take pleasure in the failure of others.
We are Lfc we don't deserve to win every game but we should be sad everytime we drop a point. We are way behind a lot of teams on term of success on pitch and off tje pitch we should start changing that. Wether its with Kloop or with Fsg over aspirations should never change, we should never be happy with mediocrity.

1.) 18 Sep 2017
18 Sep 2017 17:19:28
YES mate! Finally a little sense on here! I nearly exploded when I read that.
Great post Crazy Horse316.
Easily the best post I've read on here and I've been reading posts on here for nearly a decade!
Thank you Crazy Horse316 and where have you been all my life? 😂.

2.) 18 Sep 2017
18 Sep 2017 17:37:33
I believe we have a team capable of winning major trophies. Shoot me down if you want but I believe it. We don't have the strongest defence but our forward line is as good as anyone's and more than capable of out scoring teams. People calling for a twenty + striker must have forgotten about salah (fantastic klopp signing) who has 5 goals in 7 games. I'm no mathematician but I think he is on course to go past 20 goals. Easily BTW.

3.) 18 Sep 2017
18 Sep 2017 17:51:05
Except the fact Firmino can't, doesn't and never has played as a midfielder 🙄

Simply by saying that we need a number 9 (Firmino's squad number and theoretical position) is basically calling for him to be replaced, or at the very least suggesting he isn't good enough to lead the line.

So you yourself have just inferred he is not good enough, and then just to contradict yourself said 'he shouldn't play out of position on the wing, he should play out of position in midfield'! I mean did you even think that one through?

He is a striker. A unique striker. But still a striker. Rodgers is long gone, let's not make a habit of shoe horning players into the wrong positions again please. Klopp had a midfielder on the wing and midfielder at left back last season. So he signed a left back and a winger, and put them back in midfield. Job done. He doesn't put square pegs into round holes unless he thinks he can carve them into circles; see Lallana for evidence on that one. He will not put our best striker into midfield and throw our entire attacking system into disarray because the players missed 34 shots out of 35. That is an issue with finishing, not the system. The finishing issue is also barely relevant to Firmino as he took a small percentage of those shots, and by your own admission was being played out of position to cover a suspension.

Why are people so keen to descredit Firmino's credentials as a striker. I have seen a few posters such as SGred and Putney be fair and say that we should use Solanke in certain games and scenarios, which i completely agree with, but people making out Firmino doesn't score enough to lead the line are just completely missing the point. I'm yet to see anyone counter the argument that it isn't his job to score all the goals. Which it isn't. We don't rely on one player for goals because Firmino's I'm selfish nature creates space and chances fir others.

Feel like I'm debating with brick walls though. Not one person has actually tackled my main point. The only way you can is to suggest we change the system, which is basically saying 'Klopp Out' because this is his system!

4.) 18 Sep 2017
18 Sep 2017 17:53:36
I guess we all want a shot at taking Liverpool into the CL crazy horse316.

That is a walk in the park, right? Let alone winning the League.

It is a fact that Liverpool have not won the League in over two decades with any other manager before him since the EPL started.

Klopp has been been manager of LFC for just under two years but he is stubborn eh?

5.) 18 Sep 2017
18 Sep 2017 17:57:28
Crazy, I agree with parts of your post as indeed, Firmino should either play the no 9, play behind the no. 9 or not play at all. Him out wide is us effectively us playing with ten men as his is more lethal in center where he can be creative due to his guile, vision and movement.

As for Klopp, no one is saying he's a saint and is above criticism and he himself has said so. Many of us criticize (he has handled the GK situation horribly) BUT try not to throw the baby out with the bath water with the "Klopp out", "He's a fool", "We need Rafa back" etc stuff. Really? After two draws and 5 games gone in the season? It is simply unproductive, period. The issue is the knee jerk reactions and constant moaning about thing that take away from posts like yours being displayed, one with perspective and thought, is what my issue is as the way people have reacted to two draws, is just diabolic and over the top. Spurs are having statistically, a worse season than ours right now (can't buy a win at home) and where do you hear the OTT crap being posted on here, with Spurs fans?

I have never cared about what other teams do, how they play nor who they sign. My focus should be LFC and LFC only. The season is still young and a lot can still happen so keep the faith and keep believing cos we can only get out of this together.

6.) 18 Sep 2017
18 Sep 2017 18:00:53
Who is Kloop?

7.) 18 Sep 2017
18 Sep 2017 18:27:57
There you go again MK. Loads of people have made extremely valid counters to you but you're not even taking on board what they're saying, therefore making yourself look ridiculously stubborn and beyond an actual multi sided debate so why bother. You're seeing what you want to on posts and not actually reading them. You're taking it a little personally it seems. You're acting Firmino is Messi for goodness sake. Are you saying that you'd pick Firmino over Ian Rush in his heyday upfront if your system only suits one striker because you wouldn't be able to through lack of knowledge or want to through pure stubbornes?
You wouldn't last a week if so.
If you're on a wind up, now is the time to give it up or this will just look silly. What main striker in world football doesn't score or aim to score more goals than his team mates? Do you seriously believe that. Only Suarez and Benzema might be in that position, so I need to explain why? Seriously now mate, your piddling up a down-pipe.
Again, nothing personal as I'm sure you're a lovely guy and you're heart is in the right place. Your argument is naive though. Being stubborn for the sake of it didn't help anyone.
Good luck!

8.) 18 Sep 2017
18 Sep 2017 19:58:06
A goal poacher wouldn't fit into our system atm, I think that is what mk and others have said quite in depth. I like a team with a focal point, when playing fifa I like a target man but that formula isn't set in stone and football tactics are progressive znd they change and teams adapt. Spain really dispelled the myth that you need an out and out striker, winning three major trophies in a row. Which we can all agree is an outstanding achievement. If we weren't scoring then the debate is healthy but just coz we didn't score five goals at the weekend it's no reason to question lfc's attacking style. We have been spoilt in the last few years with fans expecting three or more every week.

9.) 18 Sep 2017
18 Sep 2017 20:53:19
A world class poacher can fit into any team or system.
Unless you play a ten man defence.

10.) 19 Sep 2017
18 Sep 2017 23:44:32
I honestly think if klopp had shipped firmino and signed a poacher then the same people would be blaming klopp the minute it didn't pay dividends. Kev, of course a Wc poacher can fit into any team but it wouldn't be appropriate in the long run.

11.) 19 Sep 2017
19 Sep 2017 09:43:37
No, it won't, Kev. There is a reason we don't play with one. Our wide men are actually strikers who attack the spaces a goal poacher would sit in. This is why Firmino is great for our system. When he drops deep, it opens the space for either Salah or Mane to attack right at the heart of the defence. If a CF stays there, he won't be able to do what Firmino can do and will stifle Mane and Salah who are NOT wingers, mind you. This is a very simple system to grasp BUT there you go.