Liverpool Rumours Archive October 08 2010

 

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08 Oct 2010 23:20:36
Story is.

Broughton and Purslow were p&ssed the Kop fans stuck up a flag with them and the two yanks in a bad light.
Broughton and Purslow then decided that enough was enough and they really arnt the enemies of Liverpool. To prove this, there plan was to get rid of the old regime and bring in a new one.
Hicks was pissed that broughton wanted to sell the club to a stable bidder but at half the cost of the asking price so Hicks retaliated by dismissing him and the board.
The board ain't going down without a fight so they sell the club. Enhance their reputation and secure a future.
To play Hicks they needed public support. They new this was the best way to become folk hero's and gain support. All this is planned since blackpool match.
Hicks is livvid with the board and fans and now wants to strip the club of all assets including selling it's stars at cut prices.
Expect a dirty fight from both party's with mr red sox coming in towards the end. Still twists n turns yet guys

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08 Oct 2010 23:15:06
I tell you what I think, that at the end of this in a couple of weeks time and H&G are gone, that Broughton is brought out to the centre circle and the fans sing him off as he then does a lap of honour. That's what I think.

RED LENIN

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08 Oct 2010 23:05:27
"The guy i would seriously consider to represent the fans on the board would be John Aldridge. I think he's a member of SOS/ Share Liverpool and for me relate's better to the fans than anyone i can think of. I think he would be perfect what you think ED? Blair Mayne YNWA"

I think this is possibly a good idea and it should be someone the fans hold in high esteem and who in turn holds the club in high esteem and the initial names that spring to mind as a sort of 'fans dynasty' are Kenny Dalglish, Ian Rush, Kevin Keegan, John Toshack, Roy Evans, John Aldridge, John Barnes, Alan Hansen, Robbie Fowler, Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher etc etc - that sort of calibre. Possibly a two or three year position.

RED LENIN {ed's note - not for me, players have a different viewpoint from ordinary fans, the fans rep needs to be aware of the ordinary fan's viewpoint.}

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08 Oct 2010 23:03:34
Just read an interesting article. Liverpool solicitors Slaughter & May will try & discredit H& G with numerous facts, the main two being,
1. When the yanks took over in 2007 they wrote to all shareholders stating they would not pile debt on the club(not to an extent where it would affect the club anyway) Unfortunately for them Christian Purslow was a shareholder & has a copy.
2. Martin Broughton has documentation on the firings of Ayre & Purslow which we all know about.
The same article continues to say that RBS will wait for the outcome of trial & consequent appeal for NESV to takeover & avoid administration. Should the yanks miraculously win they will automatically call in the loan knowing NESV are waiting in the wings.
Sounds like some good news.
Adam red sox

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08 Oct 2010 23:00:22
I have aquestion for the Ed (or anyone else who might know). If we do go into administration are we likely to suffer a 9 point deduction? CaughtOffside have an article saying we will. Any thoughts?
XYZ {ed's note - it will be up to the FA and the Premier League, but 9 points is the most likely punishment.}

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08 Oct 2010 22:59:25
08 Oct 2010 20:11:32
This is what i think will happen?

Hicks will lose the court case and appeal straight away.

Then during the appeal process RBS will takeover as our new owners until it is concluded. I think that RBS will not put Kop Holdings into administration during the appeal process as they would probably be only waiting 7-10 days for their money. And they know they are getting paid in full within the next 2 weeks. This might mean nothing but think of the bad PR they would recieve IF they put us into administation and probably only had to wait a matter of days for their money.

I believe that Hicks will lose the appeal then the day Hick's loses his appeal NESV will hold a press conference and lay out their plans for the club i.e player/ stadium funding.

That's just me anyone esle have any idea's what will happen?

Blair Mayne YNWA
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I posted the above at 20.11 now the sh*tty Mail is running an article more or less saying what i said.

I'm not blowing my own trumpet after all this is the sh*tty Mail as you know i hate.

Just reposting to say that i did'nt get it from the sh*tty Mail. I'm embarrassed now the sh*tty Mail has said it.

So there goe's my theory!

Blair Mayne YNWA

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08 Oct 2010 22:27:30
Many seem to question the wealth of our prospective new owners. . . ok lets put it like this!

anyone who wants us to become a sh. . . sorry city or a chelski , a mega rich plaything. . press unbelievable

anyone who wants a wealthy owner who cares for the club and fans and rebuilds over a longer period of time press. . . believable
i know what i want!
how about you? ?

redsincebirth
Y.N.W.A

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08 Oct 2010 22:22:28
A liverpool scout saying he is looking at 4 players to arrive in january that will make an impact and improve the 1st team, looking in spain, holland, germany, england, belgium and france. This is apparently ST, Winger, Cm, CB.

Likely targets.
ST:Gomez, C.Cole, Keissling, Carroll, Doyle, Bent, Llorente, Forlan, Rossi, Cavani
Wing:A.Young, Payet, Hazzard, SWP, Mata, Pablo Hernandez
CM:Parker, Martinez, Huddle stone
CB:Cahill, Shawcross

will depend on owners at the time.
Hopefully,
Cavani
Young
Martinez
Cahill

Team:
- - - -Torres
- - - - - Cavani
Young- - - - - - -Cole
- - - Gerrard
- - - - - Martinez
Konchesky- - - - Johnson
- - Agger- -Cahill

Bench: Jones, Carragher, Kelly, Miereles, Jovanovic, Kuyt, Ngog

then summer
Payet
Turan
Coentrao

Team:
- - - Torres
- - - - - - Cavani
Young- - - - - - - - Cole
- - - -Gerrard- Meireles
Coentrao- - - - - -Johnson
- - - -Cahill- Carragher

Bench:
Jones, Konchesky, Kelly, Agger, Turan, Meireles, Payet

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08 Oct 2010 22:21:39
Can I just say thanks to Mr Broughton, for keeping his head well all around him the rest were losing theres.He has been a model professional and has really tried hard for this historic club.Im sure most of my fellow reds also fell this way and wish him the best for the future.

Red Ted

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08 Oct 2010 22:19:34
08 Oct 2010 15:18:07

If the new board would like a Liverpool member on the new board of control then I believe it would be best going to the head of the Sons Of Shankly.
Scouse Pride

As much as it would be nice to have a fan on the board why would it be anyone from SOS? Is this not the group that has recently released a statement stating how disappointed they are that there has been no dialogue with the potential owners, this only months after burning an American flag outside anfield which was quite disgraceful. SOS have acted in poor taste on numerous occasions over the last few years with their propoganda & lies. {ed's note - not just that, SOS have also failed to show any kind of ability to be cool, calm and collected and that is what is needed on the board.}

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08 Oct 2010 22:01:30
Ed if this court battle isn't sorted out by the 15th can we still go into administration {ed's note - yes we could, it would be up to RBS.}

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08 Oct 2010 21:57:47
As the sale news unfolded I posted on here that we should tell as many American & International businesses as possible about the antics and disgraceful behaviour of H & G. In short disgrace them if we could. We can do very little until the Court case is settled but we could at least throw some C* P back at these two clowns by bombarding every US Senator and Governor with tales about their compatriots actions. Tell them how distrusted American businessmen could become if these two are an example of what their nation has to offer. Its a long shot but at least we would have the satisfaction of trying to screw them as they have screwed us.

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08 Oct 2010 21:55:14
Ive just started a new group on Facebook called one million LFC fans Unite against Tom hicks and George Gillet please join to see how many we can get thanks

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08 Oct 2010 21:33:59
08 Oct 2010 21:03:59
I heard Hicks burned the bit paper broughton was on about. Hes been destorying all kinds of paperwork at the club to support his version of the facts. so if broughton does have another copy of it, then it will have to be proven that Hicks signed it im guessing. Hicks is willing to lie about the whole thing to keep 150m alive. Hes also sacked broughton by fax and email so will claim the sale was invaild. Even if he wins the court case won't RBS want 288m on 15th in brown paper bag? how is he going to get around that one?


Yes, he burnt the original copy of that contract / paper then told your source about it who in turn told you about it. All this while working on a multi-million dollar court case. Come on, man! On a more serious note, isn't Hicks just doing what anyone of us would do and trying to hang on to his assets while facing bankruptcy? Don't get me wrong, I'm a diehard Liverpool fan and this week has made this season the most positive one in a long time despite all the on-field disasters; but the man lost all his cash and now he hopes that a last minute buyer will be dumb enough to buy the club for twice the amount it is availabe at right now. Shakespeare couldn't make this up.

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08 Oct 2010 21:19:14
FT: The owners of the Boston Red Sox, were given a clean bill of health by the Premier League but have been told the club would almost certainly be docked nine points if involved administration.

The club expected to enter the High Court next week, a statement from the Premier League on Friday said there was no objection to the proposed £300m sale announced this week by Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton to New England Sports Ventures. Premier League had met the owners and directors of NESV and had received details of the proposed company and ownership structure and the make-up of the new board. The Premier League is satisfied, with the information provided, that the individuals NESV intend to put in place in the event they complete their takeover of Liverpool FC meet the criteria set out in our owners' and directors' test, " , "we are aware that the formal completion of this takeover is yet to be resolved".

The next stage is likely to be Mr Broughton's attempt to validate the sale through the courts, which the High Court may hear on Tuesday.

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08 Oct 2010 21:12:53
Does anyone know what the breakup value lfc would be? In administration, the value of asset is next to nothing so.

surrounding Land value-
stadium-
LFC name-
Premership status-
Training ground-
playing staff-

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08 Oct 2010 21:11:46
I heard Hicks burned the bit paper broughton was on about. Hes been destorying all kinds of paperwork at the club to support his version of the facts. so if broughton does have another copy of it, then it will have to be proven that Hicks signed it im guessing. Hicks is willing to lie about the whole thing to keep 150m alive. Hes also sacked broughton by fax and email so will claim the sale was invaild. Even if he wins the court case won't RBS want 288m on 15th in brown paper bag? how is he going to get around that one?

That is bull, RBS themselves will have copy's of all paperwork, Hicks hasn't a leg to stand on, he is screwed!

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08 Oct 2010 21:08:01
Well if his main objection is the money is not enough i don't see how any judge would rule in his favor. if rbs' lawyer's are half as ruthless as them, hicks doesn't stand a chance, also if and it a big if NESV do take over it would seem liverpool counsil would oppose redeveloping anfield, maybe moving would not be a bad thing. and if it does come to liverpool moving i will make sure to have tickets for the final game at anfield what a day that would be

always a red

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08 Oct 2010 21:05:12
I think the point is that in NESV Liverpool have potentially responsible owners who will invest in the team based upon the need to invest. I really don't think that they will be dipping in to the funds of the partners. I would advise not trying to figure out where the two hundred million rebuilding fund will come from but spending the effort celebrating the change of ownership. If it goes through I am sure it will be just fine.

Sharkey
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Totally agree Sharkey (for once)

These guys seem to be excatly what we need at the minute. Smart people who know how to bring a team/ club back from oblivion and sensibly reconstruct a good buisness model and sensible investment on the pitch.

They may not be the richest owners but they could be the best.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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08 Oct 2010 21:03:59
I heard Hicks burned the bit paper broughton was on about. Hes been destorying all kinds of paperwork at the club to support his version of the facts. so if broughton does have another copy of it, then it will have to be proven that Hicks signed it im guessing. Hicks is willing to lie about the whole thing to keep 150m alive. Hes also sacked broughton by fax and email so will claim the sale was invaild. Even if he wins the court case won't RBS want 288m on 15th in brown paper bag? how is he going to get around that one?

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08 Oct 2010 21:01:00
A FEW THINGS TO GET OFF MY CHEST:
It is a waiting game now - funny how so many views on our take over situation yet it is obvious we all just have to sit tight and watch the fate of our club be decided by the men in suits. I just hope we eventually be led from the front from a footballing / sporting perspective. I know it is premature to talk about future signings. In fact it is outrageous to think we are going to sign Kaka or whoever given where we are languishing. but I just want to say to all the idiots that keep saying we should sign Mario Gomez - hopefully such requests will fall on deaf ears. He is not even worth 7m and there are murmurs of 20m - laughable. I know the issues of our team off the pitch have been critical but clearly the quality in our team is piss poor and we need to firstly look to improve that - get the balance Roy. This should never mean we should be falling from a top 4 team to relegation - for me that is unacceptable - Roy needs to sort this team out cos right now we look like relegation prospects - its a disgrace. How many Intls donning the red jersey. not good enough at least under Benitez we did not look rubbish and deliver poor results. . come on all get behind the team and get our lads confidence back. Hopefully Roy will start showing why he is supposedly the next England Manager. . If not we should not be giving him the funds to waste in Jan . . We should be at least 5th to 7th by Jan - if not he can go as far as I am concerned - take over or no take over . .YNWA

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08 Oct 2010 20:57:07
There is a lot of rubbish being written on this site about the court case and the boardroom battle. As an example:

"The board sackings have not bought Hicks time you numpty. Broughton will win the issue regarding 'getting rid of directors'. Regardless on what Hicks does he still needs to get all directors to agree. He will fail. Go back to your playground and play with your marbles and leave the grown up stuff to fans that understand what's going on."

Careful calling people "numpty" without checking your ground. Which looks like quicksand to me.

Hicks has quite obviously won time by his actions. Right now, no one, and I mean no one, knows what the board actually looks like and, therefore, whether the sale to NESV is valid or not. That's the whole point of the court action. Even MB has to admit that he can't be certain which way the court will decide. This is all about interpretation of the various legal documents, corporate law and related cases. Anyone who states that they know which way this will go is plain wrong.

All we can do is to surmise. Personally, I think the case will go against Hicks but, if it doesn't, he will still have an uphill battle to get refinancing in place before RBS call the loan in and sell to NESV or possibly a 'better' bidder at that stage. RBS's only real interest, remember, will be getting their money and fees back.

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08 Oct 2010 20:54:47
Realistic red said at 08 Oct 2010 16:49:17

"I am not too sure where your information is coming from, but you may recall that Portsmouth entered Administration whilst in the Premier League last season. Sharkey.

Sharkey,

Believe that pompys ground was small and the general income didn't go near to paying off debts let alone making a profit. Lfc are profitable and as others have said have massive assets so don't see this as a similar case."

You did not read the whole post. I was responding to a post that said "premier league rules forbid clubs to go in to administration" or similar.

Sharkey

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08 Oct 2010 20:44:54
Ed what exactly is the court case going to be about, is it just the price. and will the fact the pl has aproved the deal affect anything

always a red {ed's note - the court case is about greed mate, complete and utter greed on Hicks's part. The PL have approved nothing, they have just said that the potential new owners have passed their fit and proper person test.}

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08 Oct 2010 20:36:36
Barnes junior 777 said at 08 Oct 2010 19:55:03:

£Whats good about these guys is they are each worth around the same in net worth. When you do the math its 18 x £500 milion= around £9billion (abramovich money) however when you consider the assests that they manage i.e seth klarman manages $22billion dollars through (baupost group)."

I think the point is that in NESV Liverpool have potentially responsible owners who will invest in the team based upon the need to invest. I really don't think that they will be dipping in to the funds of the partners. I would advise not trying to figure out where the two hundred million rebuilding fund will come from but spending the effort celebrating the change of ownership. If it goes through I am sure it will be just fine.

Sharkey.

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08 Oct 2010 20:28:49
This is theturdz speaking read this:

Texas Rangers saga shows Tom Hicks's hallmark is debt and discontentThousands of miles from Anfield fans of Texas Rangers have contended with a familiar tale of debt and financial crisis

George Gillett, left, and Tom Hicks, have had their fortunes damaged by declining fortunes on Wall Street. Photograph: Peter Byrne/ PA

Ugly scenes of jeering fans at the stadium. A team bought with a mountain of debt, with creditors at the door. A messy sale with legal wrangling and an indebted owner clinging on. If that sounds familiar to Liverpool supporters then it should.

This is not the sad tale of Liverpool's ownership woes. Five thousand miles across the Atlantic, it's the recent history of the Texas Rangers baseball team. What the two teams also have in common is the man at the centre of both controversies: Tom Hicks.

In an uncanny parallel, the events at Anfield have been closely mirrored in the boardroom at Rangers Ballpark in Arlington, near Dallas, where Hicks's ambitions to build an international sporting empire began to crumble, while bloggers in Texas labelled him "enemy No1 in the Dallas and Fort Worth metroplex".

Hicks had made his fortune with a venture capital fund - buying or investing in companies and then selling them off at a profit - and was collecting a string of sports teams, including the Dallas Stars ice hockey franchise, the Texas Rangers, Liverpool and a professional rodeo circuit.

It was the Texas Rangers that first pushed George W Bush to public prominence when he led a consortium that purchased the team in 1989. While Bush went on to bigger things, the Rangers failed to perform and in 1998 the club was sold by Bush's group to Hicks for $250m.

In the easy-money era of the 1990s and 2000s, financing such deals was no trouble for a successful businessman such as Hicks. But the collapse of Wall Street in late 2008 saw a credit squeeze that stopped banks refinancing the huge loans they had once been so eager to offer.

By early 2009 the Hicks Sports Group (HSG), the holding company for Hicks's empire, had defaulted on repayments for $525m worth of loans. Soon after, Hicks placed the Rangers into administrative bankruptcy known as Chapter 11, to fend off creditors while he attempted to sell the club in a deal that would have allowed him to stay on as a shareholder.

But - in a pattern Liverpool fans will recognise - other parties took legal action to halt what they saw as a sweetheart deal, and baseball's governing body, Major League Baseball, had to move in as the team's administrator, making $40m in loans to keep the team going as the squabbling dragged on. More than a year later, in August this year, a court ruled that the team had to be sold by auction, and Hicks's role was removed. The new owners are a group headed by the baseball superstar Nolan Ryan but paid $80m more than Hicks had first proposed.

Before the sale of the Rangers, HSG was estimated to owe 40 lenders approximately $600m in loans, unpaid interest and fees. Hicks is also trying to sell the Dallas Stars ice hockey team. A similar saga is unfolding, with Hicks holding out for a better price. A local sports blogger, Brandon Bibb, says he thought Hicks had learned his lesson from the Rangers debacle. "Well, I was wrong, " Bibb says. "Instead, it's become clear that Hicks's objective is to try and squeeze every last nickle he can out of these investments, the Stars, Rangers and Liverpool be damned."

And that's not all: the Wall Street Journal reported earlier this year that Hicks sold his luxury chalet in Aspen for $18.5m, saying his family preferred to go on holiday elsewhere. Has a man estimated to be a billionaire in 2009 found himself in financial difficulty? It is impossible to say, since Hicks's holdings are privately owned and so not available for public scrutiny. But for some among America's wealthy the Wall Street meltdown and property market collapse has slashed their net worth.

George Gillett, Hicks's co-owner at Liverpool, is an even more reticent figure. Gillett was the majority owner of the Montreal Canadiens ice hockey team, the Liverpool of the NHL that once dominated the league but with little success in recent seasons. Gillett sold the team and their arena last year for an estimated $550m.

There may be a silver lining for Liverpool fans, if the Texas Rangers' experience is anything to go by. Despite the months of uncertainty, the Rangers had their best season in years in 2010, winning their division.

The other good news is that the first thing the Rangers's new owners did was cut the price of beer at the stadium. No chance of that at Anfield, sadly.

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08 Oct 2010 20:28:48
HI ED In reply to my earlier post regarding a patition, as this site is very popular amoung Liverpool supporters is there anything the site can do, maybe using something like the Believe/ not believe buttons. Just a thought, as they say the pen is mightier than the sword. Come on Guys you know it makes sense Lets stand and fight.

Liverpool Rumours "I think its about time we started to support the new American bid. We should all sign up to a patition stating a boycott on all home games if Hicks wins his court case. This should be sent to the court prior to the case of Liverpool fc vs Hicks. This will show firstly our mass support for the takeover and secondly underline that there will be no money from home games to help repay the massive debt he has amassed. What do you Think {ed's note - I will see if I can get some kind of petition page set up. If anyone from RAWK reads this, it would probably be best to add these signatures to theirs if they are interested they can contact me (editor@football-rumours.com) and I will sort out sending them the details when they are ready for it.}

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08 Oct 2010 20:11:32
This is what i think will happen?

Hicks will lose the court case and appeal straight away.

Then during the appeal process RBS will takeover as our new owners until it is concluded. I think that RBS will not put Kop Holdings into administration during the appeal process as they would probably be only waiting 7-10 days for their money. And they know they are getting paid in full within the next 2 weeks. This might mean nothing but think of the bad PR they would recieve IF they put us into administation and probably only had to wait a matter of days for their money.

I believe that Hicks will lose the appeal then the day Hick's loses his appeal NESV will hold a press conference and lay out their plans for the club i.e player/ stadium funding.

That's just me anyone esle have any idea's what will happen?

Blair Mayne YNWA

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08 Oct 2010 20:11:01
Everybody going on about court case bottom line is 4 things can happen

1. . hicks is laughed out of court appeals which will fail and N.E.S.V are new owners buy end of next week.

2. . .nothing is sorted by october 15th R.B.S. take control of liverpool sell to N.E.S.V takes a bit longer but same outcome

3. . .hicks wins case has majority vote because of his new board and can stop sale and hold out for bigger offer how ever if he can't repay loan buy next friday which seems unlikely N.E.S.V can offer to buy debt from R.B.S which means hicks and gillett now owe money to N.E.S.V so they can call in debt put club up for sale and buy it from themselves using a side company takes even longer but same outcome

4. . . hicks is useing court case to delay sale appeals if he loses which might give him time to find some mug to give him 275 million he pays off R.B.S and now owes nobody his son is on board so has final say on sale broughton will be told to pack his bags and the greedy b* * *ds will stay in control for as long as it takes to get there 600-800 million sale

PLEASE GOD DONT LET IT BE OPTION 4

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08 Oct 2010 20:07:32
Can the guy with the Rafatollah picture please replace it with a picture of Broughton and take it to the next home game? I reckon this guy has saved our beloved club from ruin.

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08 Oct 2010 19:56:07
Premier League
Liverpool scouts looking for four first-team playersRoy Hodgson has not liked what he has seen at Anfield so far this season

Liverpool scout Jakob Friis-Hansen has revealed the club have instructed him to help find four new first-team players ahead of the January transfer window.

The Anfield club are currently awaiting the outcome of next week's High Court hearing, which will determine whether New England Sports Ventures can complete its takeover of the Merseysiders. Should current owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett successfully block the deal, Liverpool could face administration.

However, the Reds are confident that a new era looms, and Friis-Hansen revealed he is not back in his homeland scouting young talent, because he has been asked to focus his attention on finding first-team stars.

"The results are now important in Liverpool, it is first priority to get four prominent players in the next window for the first team. Players who can go into the starting line-up, " he stated in bold.dk.

"Roy [Hodgson] will hopefully get some money to work with. I will work in Italy, Germany, France, Belgium and Holland and will this year also be going to Spain for Liverpool and it is solely for the first team.

"It is a shame for Roy to get such a start, for there is no doubt that he is a really good coach. But it has been a tough start, because you did not know and still do not know what will happen with the club financially.

"I can hopefully go out and look at players in the highest price category at a time. But we will see."
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08 Oct 2010 19:55:03
Whats good about these guys is they are each worth around the same in net worth. When you do the math its 18 x £500 milion= around £9billion (abramovich money) however when you consider the assests that they manage i.e seth klarman manages $22billion dollars through (baupost group).
They are all friends wih access to large amonts of money.
They also know how to run sports franchises and pay a great deal of attention to what the fans want
(i.e red socks)
They also have greatmedia links and can marke our precious club properly (looking forward to seeing lfctv under hem)
however they are all from boston so they wee all red socks fans neway not sure they will have the same passion for us.

the 18 partners are:


John W. Henry - Principal Owner
Thomas C. Werner - Chairman
Theodore Alfond
William L. Alfond
Thomas R. DiBenedetto
Michael Egan
David Ginsberg
Michael Gordon
John A. Kaneb
Seth Klarman
Larry Lucchino
Henry F. McCance
Phillip H. Morse
The New York Times Company
Art Nicholas
Frank Resnek
Martin Trust
Jeffrey Vinik

post from barnes junior 777

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08 Oct 2010 19:53:26
Just had a look at the NESN.com website and whoever said that LFC is on their website is telling the truth, we are. Click on the "soccer" link and you will see.

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08 Oct 2010 19:44:34
For a petition!

just start a facebook page. u get enuff members to it and it will hit the news

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08 Oct 2010 19:41:54
08 Oct 2010 19:30:06 Liverpool Rumours "I think its about time we started to support the new American bid. We should all sign up to a patition stating a boycott on all home games if Hicks wins his court case. This should be sent to the court prior to the case of Liverpool fc vs Hicks. This will show firstly our mass support for the takeover and secondly underline that there will be no money from home games to help repay the massive debt he has amassed. What do you Think ED {ed's note - it would show that he is not acting in the best interests of the company if you could get enough signatures to show that the club would be in trouble if he was allowed to retain control.}" Does anyone know how to create online petition? And how to give it to the judge? I will sign it 3 times!

You can't give it to the Judge - the Judge will not read it just sling it in the bin. Ther Judge decides what paperwork can be used in a Hearing during the pre-Hearing. After that, only the Appellant or The Defendent can submit new paperwork and only with knowledge of the other party and the agreement of the Judge. You are neither Appellant nor Defendanrt and as such you do not exist in the eyes of the Judge within the boundaries of the Hearing. It would be dreadfully improper for the Judge to do anything other than ignore it.

RED LENIN
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08 Oct 2010 19:40:25
08 Oct 2010 19:30:06
"I think its about time we started to support the new American bid. We should all sign up to a patition stating a boycott on all home games if Hicks wins his court case. This should be sent to the court prior to the case of Liverpool fc vs Hicks. This will show firstly our mass support for the takeover and secondly underline that there will be no money from home games to help repay the massive debt he has amassed.

What do you Think ED {ed's note - it would show that he is not acting in the best interests of the company if you could get enough signatures to show that the club would be in trouble if he was allowed to retain control.}"

Does anyone know how to create online petition?
And how to give it to the judge? I will sign it 3 times!
RHI
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There's a patiton on RAWK mate and they have already got 1000's of signature's.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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08 Oct 2010 19:36:04
Everything will be clear by the end of next week. lets keep the faith. . (LIVERPOOL REDS SOX)

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08 Oct 2010 19:31:55
Ed please post would be helpful for our fans this is the third time I am posting and there is nothing but facts nothing contentious or vulgar.

Fellow LFC Fans, although nobody can 100% say what would happen in an eventual court case but can only state what is most likely with the facts.

Apologies to fellow fans who already know the workings of company legislation, but for those who need more info hopefully this will help.

When forming a company the voting rights attached to shareholders and board members is written in the articles (rules) of the company which are called Table A. The standard version of these means that share holders have to ratify (agree) to the appointment of a shareholder. Any major decision requires board approvement and the chariman will have the deciding vote in the event of deadlock.

The two owners were therefore always able to block any potential sales etc. Also if one shareholder wants to sell then the other shareholder has right to first refusal on those shares.

When RBS decided to refinance they obviously wanted to ensure that the refinance on the condition that a sale will be actively pursued. They did not want the vetos (blocking power) that the shareholders had as a result of Table A conditions attached to their rights. The condition at that point was that LFC had to have a change of boardroom roles with an independent chairman who was the only one with the right to then make any reasonable changes to the board. MB was brought in and as a result to make this stick there had to be additions made to Table A conditions in which the rights of the shares was removed and thus leaving just one vote per board member with the casting vote with the chairman in the even of deadlock.

As MB has revealed the owners also made written undertakings. For those who have had legal dealing you will know a written undertaking is something the MUST be adhered to. An example is like when somebody is promising their lender that they will give certain information or funds by a certain date in a certain day. If they make a written undertaking and it has been drafted correctly and executed correctly then the person cannot go against that written undertaking without the express written permission from who they made the undertaking to. In this case if RBS waived the conditions made in the written undertaking then H&G would be successful in this challenge, if RBS do not waive the conditions within the written undertaking then H&G will not be successful. They will try to argue that by selling at the 'low price' it is not in the interest of the shareholders or the company as it devalues the club which is detrimental to the owners and the club.

They will argue the board have not discharged their duty in looking out for the owners and the club. They will try to argue that if refinancing took place with collateral against assets of the club that would allow the RBS deadline to be met and allow the club to function in other areas while also meeting their valuation of the club.

They will therefore say that due to not pursuing this line then CP and IA were rightly sacked for gross misconduct. Their whole argument will hinge on stating that the board have not acted correctly by blocking a refinance based on club assets.

Personally I do not think the argument is very strong although if you get the wrong judge on the wrong mood then the case could go against us as fans.

Also quickly about the new owners their significant squad investment will only happen in January as the new UEFA rules will come in force in summer which will put us in a strong position as all expenditure is linked to income. We are very profitable without the debt. Also this profit is all without ticket sales from a larger capacity stadium. If we are guaranteed a stadium of 60000+ then we are in a very strong position in terms of squad investment.

Sorry to all of you for the length in writing this piece and also if it sounds patronising in anyway or has caused offense. I just wanted to give the correct technical advice as I am legally trained in Corporate Law.

I hope this helped.
YNWA

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08 Oct 2010 19:30:06
"I think its about time we started to support the new American bid. We should all sign up to a patition stating a boycott on all home games if Hicks wins his court case. This should be sent to the court prior to the case of Liverpool fc vs Hicks. This will show firstly our mass support for the takeover and secondly underline that there will be no money from home games to help repay the massive debt he has amassed.

What do you Think ED {ed's note - it would show that he is not acting in the best interests of the company if you could get enough signatures to show that the club would be in trouble if he was allowed to retain control.}"

Does anyone know how to create online petition?
And how to give it to the judge? I will sign it 3 times!
RHI

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08 Oct 2010 19:22:18
Ed, just wondering who will make a decision at the court case? do you know?
west midland scouser {ed's note - I don't know who the judge will be sorry.}

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08 Oct 2010 19:10:38
Apologies if it's already been posted, but NESN.com have now added Liverpool FC to their site.

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08 Oct 2010 19:10:14
NESV deal will go through however court appeal will cause major delay looking at 1 -2 weeks from now, Scudamore and some of his mates will look at the situation and will hopefully have some uinderstanding that it isn't fair to dock us the full 9 points, may only be 3-6 points considering the administration is caused by a court appeal from the two f*c*ing yanks.
However, things look bright considering Kaka has expressed his desire to move to England in upcoming January transfer window, the transfer battle will consist of Arsenal and Man City as Chelsea probably don't want to upset the balance they have at the moment and with the release of the Mancs huge losses i doubt they have the funds to invest in such a player. Hopefully Henry James will pounce on this chance and sign a world class player with the flair we need light up the new anfield.
YNWA, trust Roy

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08 Oct 2010 18:45:51
Correct me if i am wrong but wasn't pompy's case completely different?
From what I can recall they owed money for tax and not to a bank? And couldn't afford to pay the players for some time?

Ste-T-4eva {ed's note - you are correct it was different. The club itself was in trouble and losing money, there was no chance of the club being profitable without debts, Redknapp had dragged it under.}

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08 Oct 2010 18:45:16
Tom & Jerry will get jack sh*t out of any courtcase and as in the case of the weakest link, will leave with nothing. Why would Broughton agree to sell to the RedSox gang knowing that he would lose in court at a later date to laurel & hardy?. He clearly knows what he's doing and i'm sure he would of run the sale past numerous lawyers before agreeing to selling the club. Anyone else agree with my logic here?. Anyway, should the Redsox sale go ahead which is very likely, i agree that they will get a couple of kick ass signings in January to show the fans they are the real deal. Names such as Mata, turan and aguero would not be too far from reach. In reality though i can see someone English coming in whatever happens. Would really of loved to see Milner at Anfield but i guess that's not gonna happen now is it. Damn.

The Roachmiester

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08 Oct 2010 18:43:39
"08 Oct 2010 17:56:37
Somebody with legal knowledge please. .

If the as we expect the judge gives his verdict in favour of the board, and then the parasite as we expect lodges an appeal, how long will this draw out the process? ?

Big D"

I forget which site quoted someone familiar with the procedure (like everyone else i'm probably reading far too much about the subject and should get some work done), but the time-scale given was around 3 days for the appeal. Apparently Broughton being quick off the mark and seeking a declaratory judgement means this will all be fairly fast-track.

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08 Oct 2010 18:36:34
{ed's note - City have already said that there will be no more big money signings mate. They are now going to look at increasing revenue. I would guess that they are still expecting to get the casino built there despite the law backtracking that has been done. That would significantly increase the club's resources, it would give them a massive advantage in fact.}

Not sure if this is the same ED who use to argue with me whenever I said , City at one point will stop spending and increase revenue . their turning point is getting to Champion league and raise the profile . at that point success will bread success and increase income .
By the way I hear (from Abu Dhabi) they are looking to open a soccer school there, donations and fees alone will bring them few extra millions.


Roy

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08 Oct 2010 18:35:22
I think its about time we started to support the new American bid. We should all sign up to a patition stating a boycott on all home games if Hicks wins his court case. This should be sent to the court prior to the case of Liverpool fc vs Hicks. This will show firstly our mass support for the takeover and secondly underline that there will be no money from home games to help repay the massive debt he has amassed.

What do you Think ED {ed's note - it would show that he is not acting in the best interests of the company if you could get enough signatures to show that the club would be in trouble if he was allowed to retain control.}

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08 Oct 2010 18:23:32
"I was just wondering how the premier league could sign off on their end of the takeover whilst there is an ongoing courtcase. Surely they would have reserved any formal sanctions such as this until everything was definate or are they just confirming NESV would be allowed ownership under F.A guidelines?
Adam red sox"

Adam , the PL only check if the proposed new owner comply with their criteria for ownership , and they typically do that before the formal takeover date.
So yes as you put it they just confirming NESV would be allowed ownership under F.A guidelines
The courtcase have nothing to do with how good the new owners are
Roy

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08 Oct 2010 18:14:39
Liverpool looking at Juan Mata, Arda Turan, Ever Banega & Taye Taiwo

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08 Oct 2010 17:56:37
Somebody with legal knowledge please. .

If the as we expect the judge gives his verdict in favour of the board, and then the parasite as we expect lodges an appeal, how long will this draw out the process? ?

Big D

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08 Oct 2010 17:54:28
ED i said a couple of days ago to expect another bidder to emerge for liverpool.ben smith who writes for the times has said on his twitter page that tamasek holdings has matched the 300 million bid from boston, but only as back up! whatever that means.ED What do you think of this development, and do you think we would be better off in singapore hands rather than american! {ed's note - we always knew there were two offers on the table, one of which was accepted. I would hope that the board picked the one which was right for the club and I am sure they know better than me whose hands we would be better off in.}

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08 Oct 2010 17:48:53
IF liverpool are taken over by NESV, then expect them to give roy untill december to prove himself or wither kilinsmen or hiddink will be appointed. before any deal went through, broughton made sure that NESV have the financial power to invest in the squad and improve anfields capacity. NESV want one major signing either in jan or in the summer to show liverpool supporters their intentions. January targets will eaither b benzema or kaka, both not wanted at madrid. Or they will hold put till the summer and go for names like aguero villa kaka tevez and others. One of these will be the marque signings. If roy stays in charge then jan will be big for liverpool as he knows he needs atleast 2 quality players to help the suad push for even seventh spot. His targets are:
Mata- 12m + babel
Banega- 10m

Summer will be big for the reds:
Marquee signing 25m+ (probably a striker)
Taiwo- free
Mexes- 12m
Sanchez- 15m
Dzeko- 10m+jovanovic+lucas

2011 squad
Reina
Johnson Mexes Agger Taiwo
Sanchez Banega Gerard Mata
Torres (Marquee signing)

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08 Oct 2010 16:53:21
RBS will not put Kop Holdings into Administration. They will take over the running of the club. They will then sell to NESV

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08 Oct 2010 16:49:17
I am not too sure where your information is coming from, but you may recall that Portsmouth entered Administration whilst in the Premier League last season. Sharkey.

Sharkey,

Believe that pompys ground was small and the general income didn't go near to paying off debts let alone making a profit. Lfc are profitable and as others have said have massive assets so don't see this as a similar case.

Realistic red

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08 Oct 2010 16:35:43
There's been a lot of rubbish spouted by a lot of fans of other teams, the bottom line on all the legal issues going on at the moment is as follows:

Court:
hicks is challenging whether broughton can legally sell the club. Hicks claims that he fired 2 of the board members (by fax) and replaced them and therefore they vote 4-1 against the sale. Broughton says they can't fire them and therefore hicks and gillett lose 3-2. The court will rule based on facts alone, Broughton introduced rules that only he can hire and fire from the board and that the owners will not frustrate a sale. The very rapid Verdict will be that broughton wins. In legal terms, this is so black and white that i expect the judge will express his irritation at hicks for wasting his time.

Administration:
If lfc were placed into administration they would not be docked any points. Premier league rules state that teams will be docked 9 points if they go into administration AND are insolvent (i.e. their liabilities exceed their assets). This is not the case with LFC as we are profitable and have assets (the club, the ground, the players etc.) that are worth far in excess of the sum of the liabilites (the loan and outstandin payments). There are no circumstances under which lfc will be docked any points.

Ownership:
Broughton has agreed a deal with nesv. The only thing that will stop this going through is that nesv pull out for an, as yet, unknown reason. Any higher offers will not be considered as it is not in the interest of the club and the majority of the board. Nesv will be the new owners

sorry if any of this spoils the fun for any mancs or bitter blues who have nothing better to do. lfc fans, don't be paranoid, just look at the facts

ynwa

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08 Oct 2010 16:27:02
Stage 1 Complete - Premier League sign off takeover.

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08 Oct 2010 16:25:38
The board sackings have not bought Hicks time you numpty. Broughton will win the issue regarding 'getting rid of directors'. Regardless on what Hicks does he still needs to get all directors to agree. He will fail. Go back to your playground and play with your marbles and leave the grown up stuff to fans that understand what's going on.

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08 Oct 2010 16:22:27
Unsigned said at 08 Oct 2010 13:52:55:

"Premier League rules forbid clubs going into administration. The Premier League themselves admit that this is an untested case."

I am not too sure where your information is coming from, but you may recall that Portsmouth entered Administration whilst in the Premier League last season. Sharkey.

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08 Oct 2010 16:02:53
Sergio canales of real madrid and keissling of bayern leverkusen linking with jan moves to liverpool

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08 Oct 2010 15:39:47
Temasek holdings own Standard Chartered. . our shirt sponsors!

To the guy/ girl who wrote this.

I've just been onto their website and indeed they do own Standard Chartered. hhhmmm interesting.

To the persons above, yes temasek holdings does have a (correct me if i'm wrong) 19% stake in stanchart, but SO WHAT? Anybody care to explain?

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08 Oct 2010 15:30:29
The other group involved in LFC Takeover is Temasek Holdings. . They will put a bigger bid in. .

steve LFC

temasek holdings is a sovereign wealth fund of the singapore government i live in singapore they would never put their taxpayer money in such a risky investment if the public knew there would be a huge uproar. The chairman(or chairlady) is Ho Ching who is also the wife of the singapore prime minister Lee Hsien Loong


singapore red

The only uproar would come from the Utd fans there. Singapore is Liverpool mad!

ha you're right my entire school are liverpool surpporters except one class(mancs) and the whole school despises them

singapore red

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08 Oct 2010 15:18:55
08 Oct 2010 14:27:43
Ed, it seems to me that hicks is the 1 who is forcing a court judgement not gillet what you think? {ed's note - it is definitely Hicks leading this.}
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According to legendary City Expert David Buick from BGC the Brokerage Firm, Hicks has know chance at all. RBS want their money back. NESV will officially be our owners/ custodians possibly as early as Monday afternoon.

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08 Oct 2010 15:17:30
Re It should be noted that even if RBS place Kop Holdings into administration, technically this is not the club itself. Premier League rules forbid clubs going into administration. The Premier League themselves admit that this is an untested case. LFC would certainly challenge to any points deduction in court, with some optimism of a successful outcome.

This is what happened to West Ham and they did not get a 9 point (or any other) penalty

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08 Oct 2010 15:07:55
Maybe hicks has secured a payday loan at wonga.com? i suspect that losing to blackpool (whom they sponser) was part of the deal. that's the only reason i can think of that we lost.

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08 Oct 2010 15:06:12
The other group involved in LFC Takeover is Temasek Holdings. . They will put a bigger bid in. .

steve LFC


Temasek holdings own Standard Chartered. . our shirt sponsors!

Liver_bird

Temasek Holdings do not, have not and will not invest in football clubs. They have a percentage holding in Standard Chartered they do not own it.

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08 Oct 2010 14:56:52
Does anyone know what George Gillett's position in Liverpool is now, seeing as he has defaulted on a loan of £75m from Mill Finance? Anyone know anything of this "Asian" bidder?
According to an article in the Liverpool echo he borrowed £75m from an American hedge fund company. They could take control of that percentage (not sure how much it is) but are staying pretty silent. I'd imagine if they did, Hicks & Gillet would have no option but to back away but who knows? I personally agree with the editors that NESV will be the new owners. Purely because you can't just sack two board members & instate a new board in a day. In the corporate world it's just not possible. I also still believe the team & manager cannot continue to blame onfield performances on boardroom antics. losing at home to Northampton & Blackpool is unacceptable.
Adam red sox

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08 Oct 2010 14:34:05
If people are suggesting a fan's rep on the board, I'm an unemployed graduate who would LOVE to do that job!

CV on request.

Realistic Red

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08 Oct 2010 14:32:01
08 Oct 2010 13:32:06
The other group involved in LFC Takeover is Temasek Holdings. . They will put a bigger bid in. .

steve LFC


Temasek holdings own Standard Chartered. . our shirt sponsors!

Liver_bird

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08 Oct 2010 14:27:43
Ed, it seems to me that hicks is the 1 who is forcing a court judgement not gillet what you think? {ed's note - it is definitely Hicks leading this.}

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08 Oct 2010 14:08:35
Expect a £20-25million bid for Darren Bent- - - - - - - -and why not make that kind of bid for mario gomez?

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08 Oct 2010 14:03:57
On paper yes Liverpool could well face a 9 point penalty. However this would not benefit any party including RBS & Hicks & Gillett


1. The premier league are going to approve the take over today or Monday.
2. If Broughton & Co are proved right In court (Monday I believe) the takeover will take place by the Friday. If an appeal takes place RBS are unlikely to call in the debt as a 9 point deduction may result in NESV pulling out as potential relegation could happen i.e. less of an asset. Also RBS would then struggle to recoup the money. More than likely they would wait until appeal was heard.

Also as stated by Purslow RBS will continue to be LFC's bankers. Do you think they would put that relationship in jeopardy - no.

Also after everything that has been going on Broughton and co will have discussed all outcomes to all parties including the premier league. They will already have the answers to that.
3. If Hicks and Gillett win and sack Purslow etc they will potentially loose more money than they are now. They could win and loose in 1 week. The club goes into administration, bankrupt due to relegation which in turn leaves them bankrupt.

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08 Oct 2010 14:02:48
Ed, what do you think is the most likely outcome in this takeover situation mate?
west midlander red {ed's note - I think Hicks will lose in court and NESV will be our new owners.}

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08 Oct 2010 14:02:07
Does anyone know what George Gillett's position in Liverpool is now, seeing as he has defaulted on a loan of £75m from Mill Finance? Anyone know anything of this "Asian" bidder?

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08 Oct 2010 13:52:55
It should be noted that even if RBS place Kop Holdings into administration, technically this is not the club itself. Premier League rules forbid clubs going into administration. The Premier League themselves admit that this is an untested case. LFC would certainly challenge to any points deduction in court, with some optimism of a successful outcome.

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08 Oct 2010 13:49:09
Its being reported that we could suffer a 9 point penalty if RBS place us into administration. My question is why would they?


1. Court finds in favour of broughton and takeover goes through.
2. Hicks challenges this and appeals process takes the date past 16th october.
3. RBS surely would then just take the club and sell it to NESV. How would they benefit by placing kop holdings into administration.

In fact thinking about it, why would hicks even appeal? that takes the date past 16th and RBS take the club away form him and he loses all his money.

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08 Oct 2010 13:44:41
With the NEVS offer on the table it makes no sense for RBS to put the club into administration if the 15th repayment deadline passes.

As it stands RBS have an offer on the table which will allow them to get all their money back. NEVS could presumably reduce their offer if the club went into administration as this would materially affect the value of the club (this may/ should be written into the existing offer). Furthermore if the club went into administration RBS would be likely to have to settle for less than full repayment of the debt.

I would expect RBS to extend the repayment date until the legal argument has been resolved with conditions of the extension being that they would take ownership or put the club into administration if Hicks wins the case.

I think the various reports suggesting we are facing a 9 point penalty result from ill thought out sloppy journalism probably by a ManU, Everton or Spurs (who are rapidly becoming the most obnoxious of the three) fan.

Bob

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08 Oct 2010 13:41:22
Hi ed, alot of people asking for arbeloa and alonso to come back, didn't real madrid say that no spanish players would be leaving. have they changed there mind

always a red {ed's note - it is wishful thinking mate, people want them back rather than they are coming back. Arbeloa was desperate to leave, there is no way he will be coming back unfortunately. I have no idea why anyone would think Alonso would leave Real Madrid to come back here, he plays every week and has cemented a Spain place because of playing there.}

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08 Oct 2010 13:33:03
The source is Market Place.

Scouse Pride

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08 Oct 2010 13:32:06
The other group involved in LFC Takeover is Temasek Holdings. . They will put a bigger bid in. .

steve LFC

temasek holdings is a sovereign wealth fund of the singapore government i live in singapore they would never put their taxpayer money in such a risky investment if the public knew there would be a huge uproar. The chairman(or chairlady) is Ho Ching who is also the wife of the singapore prime minister Lee Hsien Loong


singapore red

The only uproar would come from the Utd fans there. Singapore is Liverpool mad!

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08 Oct 2010 13:24:31
According to one site the Premier League has approved NESV takeover. This will be made official when the takeover is completed.
Scouse Pride

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08 Oct 2010 13:22:29
Its being reported that we could suffer a 9 point penalty if RBS place us into administration. My question is why would they?


1. Court finds in favour of broughton and takeover goes through.
2. Hicks challenges this and appeals process takes the date past 16th october.
3. RBS surely would then just take the club and sell it to NESV. How would they benefit by placing kop holdings into administration.

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08 Oct 2010 13:13:16
Not sure about that. What if a £400m bid came in from the other company?

Hicks may feel that a £40m loss is better than a £140m loss and gets the "old" board together for a vote.

This would more than likely be accepted by ALL board members. If Broughton / Purslow / Ayre voted against it Hicks would continue to court.

Now, there are 2 issues that Hicks will argue in court.

1. That the offer was simply not enough.
2. That Broughton does not have the power over the board that he claims.

At court Hicks would argue that the £300m offer was not acceptable but the £400m offer was. i.e. point 1 above. I'm sure that the court would agree.

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I have a feeling we have already seen H&G try this tactic with the board. My feeling is that the "bids" from Huang and Kirdi were smokescreens all along to try and inflate the price of real bidders. Just look back at the comments made by these guys. You wouldn't make your purchase strategy public and you certainly wouldn't say publicly that other bids were not valuing the club highly enough, as Kirdi did.

The board saw through these and when they asked them to put up or shut up the "bidders" suddenly withdrew.

Now, H&G are in their last chance saloon. They have nothing to lose by going to court. But if they really thought they had a leg to stand on they would have played this card before it got as painfully embarrassing for them as it is now.

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08 Oct 2010 13:08:52
Ed, do you think that we're going to be taken over without being taken over by RBS? If H & G win, what would scenario be? Would the club go in to administration? {ed's note - I think Hicks will lose in court and NESV will takeover. If H&G win they will need to have a way of refinancing the loan, so we will just end up further in debt. I doubt they could win in court without being able to keep the club out of administration.}

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08 Oct 2010 13:07:22
Stop the arguing over "if's but's & and's".

There is only one thing that can stop the sale now and that is H&G finding the money to pay RBS before the deadline. The Courts may well delay the sale to NESV but that will only be temporary - no-one can stop RBS seizing the club come the 'sunny 16th' unless the clowns have got the money.

Unfortunately, if the clowns do come up with the money (highly unlikely in my opinion) and settle the loan to RBS in full, then Broughton is dispensed with & H&G can also fire Ayres and Purslow and we will be in deep do-do with even more debt heaped on us.

But I very much doubt that anyone would lend them pair the money to pay off RBS so no matter what happens in Court it will all be over by early doors on the 16th at the very latest.

RED LENIN
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08 Oct 2010 12:54:13
It makes no odds steve, the board have accepted a bid from NESV so they will be the newe owners of liverpool fc as soon as the board minus h&g get court clearance. . even if another company comes in with a bigger bid the board is happy with NESV after due dilligence was carried out, and to further that it makes no difference if a bigger bid comes in because it won't sway broughton to reconsider as he isn't getting the money

db9

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Not sure about that. What if a £400m bid came in from the other company?

Hicks may feel that a £40m loss is better than a £140m loss and gets the "old" board together for a vote.

This would more than likely be accepted by ALL board members. If Broughton / Purslow / Ayre voted against it Hicks would continue to court.

Now, there are 2 issues that Hicks will argue in court.

1. That the offer was simply not enough.
2. That Broughton does not have the power over the board that he claims.

At court Hicks would argue that the £300m offer was not acceptable but the £400m offer was. i.e. point 1 above. I'm sure that the court would agree.

This would make the original vote null and void. Hicks would not need to agree to sell for £400m though. He and Gillett could repeat the stalling tactics and the club falls into the hands of RBS. The club is deducted 9 points (as it is now being reported that this would happen based on the fact that Kop Holdings only interest is LFC - ie. not the same situation as West Ham). .RBS would then sell the club - probably sticking with original bid as they don't care as long as they get their money. Although, with a 9 point deduction, NESV could well change their mind. .

Nightmare scenario! If a bid came in £10 more Hicks would do the above just to try and screw us one last time!

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08 Oct 2010 12:46:55
Breaking news on BBC website which states we will suffer a 9 point deduction if Kop Holdings goes into administration. Is this just scaremongering or is it likely to happen?

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08 Oct 2010 12:39:50
HEY MAN! ABSOLUTELY BONKERS MAN. BRILLIANT THOUGH.

08 Oct 2010 12:24:51
This is quite possibly the best post I have ever read on this site. .and there have been many that come close. But in terms of being slightly bonkers but also sounding credible - this takes the biscuit. Keep em comin RHI. .

08 Oct 2010 11:29:49

ElysiAN FIELDs

John Henry failed to graduate from his philosophy degree at the University of California after spending much of his time playing bass in prog rock band Elysian Fields - whose name spookily contains the word 'Anfield' (word inside the name of the band) Their performances included appearing onstage with their eyebrows shaved while performing a rock opera about aliens from the Cassiopeia constellation.


Is it destiny. ?

RHI

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08 Oct 2010 12:39:16
I have read a couple of e-mail regarding 9 point penalty. But am i not correct in thinking that 9 point penalty will not be given to us even if we go into administration as we are a solvent club?

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08 Oct 2010 12:36:59
Roy Hodgson is looking to add quality to the squad, whilst moving the players not performing on to other clubs. The players moving on whether in the winter or summer transfer window will include
. Charles Itandje - French club
. Maxi Rodriguez - interest from La Liga
. Ryan Babel - anyone who will take him
. Lucas - interest from Serie A
. Christian Poulsen - In the summer - he isn't suited to the pace of PL
. Fabio Aurelio - move to La Liga or to Brazil
. Milan Jovanovic
. There will be more players leaving than coming in
I believe Roy is looking to bring in a striker, 2 wingers and a central midfielder and central defender
. CB - Looking to offer Phillip Mexes a contract in January, for arrival in the summer on a Bosman following breakdown in contract talks with Roma. Ryan Shawcross and Gary Cahill are also being looked at.
. CM - There are two players being looked at seriously - Steven Defour and Lassana Diarra. One will arrive at Liverpool, the other at Manchester United.
. Wingers - Rumours of Juan Mata and Pablo Hernandez are wide of the mark and prices stated ridiculous. Mata would cost well in excess of the £10m and Ryan Babel -more like £25m, and Valencia rejected £20m+ bids from Man City for Hernandez in the summer. If one was signed I would be delighted - but I'm not expecting anything. Two wingers who impressed at the World Cup - Eljero Elia (Hamburg) and Alexis Sanchez (Udinese) have been scouted. From the Premier League - Matthew Etherington, Shawn Wright-Phillips and Giovani Dos Santos have interested Roy.
. Striker - a number of strikers have been linked with Liverpool over the past 6 months. Liverpool had a £8m bid rejected for Asamoah Gyan before he eventually moved to Sunderland, loan move for Mario Gomez fell through, as did moves for Carlton Cole. Expect Roy to go back in for Cole, as well as Bryan Ruiz, Kalu Uche and most exciting Keisuke Honda (although major competition from Arsenal)

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08 Oct 2010 12:27:47
The other group involved in LFC Takeover is Temasek Holdings. . They will put a bigger bid in. .

steve LFC

temasek holdings is a sovereign wealth fund of the singapore government i live in singapore they would never put their taxpayer money in such a risky investment if the public knew there would be a huge uproar. The chairman(or chairlady) is Ho Ching who is also the wife of the singapore prime minister Lee Hsien Loong


singapore red

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08 Oct 2010 12:24:51
This is quite possibly the best post I have ever read on this site. .and there have been many that come close. But in terms of being slightly bonkers but also sounding credible - this takes the biscuit. Keep em comin RHI. .

08 Oct 2010 11:29:49

ElysiAN FIELDs

John Henry failed to graduate from his philosophy degree at the University of California after spending much of his time playing bass in prog rock band Elysian Fields - whose name spookily contains the word 'Anfield' (word inside the name of the band) Their performances included appearing onstage with their eyebrows shaved while performing a rock opera about aliens from the Cassiopeia constellation.


Is it destiny. ?

RHI

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08 Oct 2010 12:15:47
From what i hear down london way is bentley? think most spurs fans would drive him and pavlyuchenco to anfield themselves if liverpool came in for both? ashley young will either stay at villa or sign for arsenal or spurs, marin looks like either spurs (again) or inter did hear a peep regarding o'hara if fit to liverpool as well?

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08 Oct 2010 12:11:09
08 Oct 2010 09:56:33
The other group involved in LFC Takeover is Temasek Holdings. . They will put a bigger bid in. .

steve LFC

it makes no odds steve, the board have accepted a bid from NESV so they will be the newe owners of liverpool fc as soon as the board minus h&g get court clearance. . even if another company comes in with a bigger bid the board is happy with NESV after due dilligence was carried out, and to further that it makes no difference if a bigger bid comes in because it won't sway broughton to reconsider as he isn't getting the money

db9

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08 Oct 2010 12:06:28
The rumours have started about new signings, Roy has expressed his concern about the squad being too big. If he's still in charge, expect more players to be shown the door, replaced with three to four quality signings. Not the seven or eight randoms that has been posted in the last couple of days.

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08 Oct 2010 11:29:49
ElysiAN FIELDs

John Henry failed to graduate from his philosophy degree at the University of California after spending much of his time playing bass in prog rock band Elysian Fields - whose name spookily contains the word 'Anfield' (word inside the name of the band) Their performances included appearing onstage with their eyebrows shaved while performing a rock opera about aliens from the Cassiopeia constellation.


Is it destiny. ?

RHI

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08 Oct 2010 11:22:47
So hicks is trying to drag this saga on to perhaps sweeten the deal (as the ed suggested) from NESV. If by some miracle H&G win then they are really in the same position as if they lost right? i mean the banks will sieze control and they will be no better off except giving us a parting gift of minus 9 points. seems like sour grapes to me

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08 Oct 2010 11:17:04
Ed you may be right concerning the houses off anfield road they are definetly not council. {ed's note - the council can repossess houses that aren't being maintained and used, so any that the club own would have to be kept in good nick and rented out until they register a change of use. I hope they are in the hands of the club, that would make it easier to expand Anfield and that would be the option I prefer.}

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08 Oct 2010 11:10:07
Just heard a couple of interesting speculative rumours.

Out:
Aquilani to Juve £10m
Lucas to Inter Milan £8m
Aureilio to Villereal £2m
Kyriagkos to Panathanoikos £2m
Babel to Valencia (P/ E)
Itandje to Sochaux £1m
Rodriguez to Espanyol £6m
Insua to Fiorentina £8m
Degen to Brondby £2m
El Zhar to Maccabi Haifa £2m

Total 10 players = £41m

In:
Defour (CM) £14m
Richards (RB/ CB) £10m
Shawcross (CB) £10m
Cissokho (LB) £8m
Mata (W) £10m (plus Babel)
Young (W) £12m
C Cole (ST) £14m
Owen (ST) £5m

Total 8 players = £83m

These to take place over the course of January Transfer Window and the Summer Transfer Window.

Owen, Mata, Shawcross and Cissokho the likely January additions

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08 Oct 2010 11:06:18
Ed alot of the of the houses off anfield ie;(tancred, coningsby, sybil streets)have recently been refurbished and re-let.So i can't see them being bought cheaply? Just thought id let you know. {ed's note - who owns them though? The club used to own a lot of them and they were let out because the club would lose ownership of them if they are not being used. If the 2018 bid is won the Government backing would enable us to buy up the surrounding area anyway, if the club decide on expanding Anfield rather than a new stadium.}

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08 Oct 2010 11:02:38
Ed, do you think liverpool can get 100m for the naming right of the new stadium?if yes, it is actually not a robel to build a new stadium, because i think to build a new sadium in liverpool is much more cheaper than in london. ED, how much you think to build a new stadium of liverpool? {ed's note - it would still cost hundreds of millions of pounds to build a new stadium, even with naming rights.}

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08 Oct 2010 10:46:54
Ed "Why have we never purchased the streets surrounding the ground?" The rest of Anfield is more or less derelict and boarded up, I'm sure with council approval to reinvest in the area this would be more financially viable than the Stanley Park Project. It would also be cheaper than relocating, but most importantly we wouldn't be leaving our stamping ground.
Scouse Pride {ed's note - under Moores that process was put on hold, if I remember rightly it was two elderly sisters holding up the purchase of one street. I don't know if we still own most of the properties and whether it would be possible to complete the purchases now. But it must surely be looked into, it could be the best solution of all.}

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08 Oct 2010 10:25:01
08 Oct 2010 10:12:48
Martin Broughton: "The balance is what we call assuming the ongoing working capital debt and the new stadium financing debt, and it means there will be no debt on the club, and Liverpool will actually be equity rich. The aim was always zero debt.

"Why? Because that will allow trading without debt, and vast profits coming available again to invest in the business instead of servicing loans. New England are fully committed to that, they are committed to investing heavily in players and infrastructure to boost future profits."

ED, does this mean that liverpool will not borrow maney from bank to build a new stadium?because
The aim was always zero debt! {ed's note - that is something I can't answer for sure, I know what the aim is and what they say but it is difficult to trust anyone right now! I would expect the ground to be paid for in a similar way to Arsenal's myself - a long term loan, similar to a mortgage}

mortgage Anfield and build a new stadium?Does it work, ED? {ed's note - it has worked for Arsenal because they could sell off Highbury and raise millions due to their location. That is why I think we would be better off looking at expanding Anfield gradually like the Mancs did. Each increase in revenue was put towards another increase in capacity, soon they will be over 80k. It works better for everyone because the expansion of Anfield would have to be accompanied by regeneration of the local area, so everyone would benefit - even Everton due to better parking etc. Hopefully England win the bid for the 2018 World Cup and then the Government will part fund a further increase or a completely new stadium.}

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08 Oct 2010 10:12:48
Martin Broughton: "The balance is what we call assuming the ongoing working capital debt and the new stadium financing debt, and it means there will be no debt on the club, and Liverpool will actually be equity rich. The aim was always zero debt.

"Why? Because that will allow trading without debt, and vast profits coming available again to invest in the business instead of servicing loans. New England are fully committed to that, they are committed to investing heavily in players and infrastructure to boost future profits."

ED, does this mean that liverpool will not borrow maney from bank to build a new stadium?because
The aim was always zero debt! {ed's note - that is something I can't answer for sure, I know what the aim is and what they say but it is difficult to trust anyone right now! I would expect the ground to be paid for in a similar way to Arsenal's myself - a long term loan, similar to a mortgage.}

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08 Oct 2010 10:07:04
Ed whats the general feeling in regards to who will come out on top, hicks or broughton?and even if he was allowed to sack ayre and purslow would they not have grounds for unfair dismissal?(im no expert on employment law but i was under the impression your employer needed to have grounds to dismiss you). {ed's note - my feeling is that Hicks is just hoping to drag out the process a bit and get NESV to sweeten the deal for him. He is losing millions anyway, what are a few lawyer's fees compared to that? But I don't believe he actually has a chance of winning, he doesn't seem to have taken EU or UK employment law into account. The move he made was a desperate last-ditch attempt to get anything back.}}

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08 Oct 2010 09:56:33
The other group involved in LFC Takeover is Temasek Holdings. . They will put a bigger bid in. .

steve LFC

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08 Oct 2010 09:46:27
Roy will sign Arden Turan during the window for around 15million Euro's. Also in will be Ryan Shawcross and expect a £20-25million bid for Darren Bent.
Out will be Ryan Babel to Birmingham, Lucas Leiva to Juventus, Maxi Rodriguez to Espanyol & Charles Itandje to Sochaux all for around £20million.
Also Tottenham are considering bids for both Daniel Agger & Glen Johnson.
Scouse Pride

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08 Oct 2010 09:46:07
9 points deduction if Hicks gets his way & drags his feet - I'd give 18 for the bast* ds to F* k off!
Don't mess with the Scousers H&G, your getting exactly what you deserve - sweet FA!

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08 Oct 2010 09:44:09
Suggested players for January / July transfer window:

RB - Davide Santon for Glen Johnson
LB - Aly Cissokho for Fabio Aurelio
CB - Mamadou Sakho or Philippe Mexs for Sotiris Kyrgiakos
RW - Marko Marin for Maxi Rodriguez
LW - Juan Manuel Mata for Ryan Babel
CM - Eden Hazard or Yoann Gourcuff for Alberto Aquilani
DM - Lassana Diarra for Lucas
FW - Edin Dzeko for Milan Jovanovic
FW - Karim Benzema for David N'gog

Others - Mario Mandzukić, Romelu Lukaku, Marek Hamsk,
Ashley Young, Jack Rodwell, Lee Cattermole, Micah Richards, Nathan Delfouneso


We can only dream. .but someday our dreams can come true.YNWA - Geist.

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08 Oct 2010 09:41:10
ED JUST WATCHING SKY SPORTS NEWS THEY ARE SAYING THAT WE CAN GET A 9 POINT PEN SHOCKING OR WHOT?? AN WE ARE HEARING TOM HICKS IS TRYING TO FIND MONEY TO KEEP HOLD OF US THAT WILL NEVER HAPPAN WHOT THE HELL IS GOING ON STILL ON PLAIN SALE FOR ARE, , , , , , , , , , , , , , (( LIVERPOOL))NOT BY THE SOUND OF IT HICK MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL HATE IS A STRONG WORD ED BUT THIS CLOWN IS GETTING MY VOTE, , THIS IS GETTING BAD MY GUT FEELING IS THIS JOKER IS GOING 2 WIN THIS CASE ED? MONEY MONEY MONEY IT JUST STINKS HE IS TRYING TO GET MORE MONEY FROM THE SALE OUT OF NESV THEY ARE TALKING SO ITS SAYING ED HICHS AN NESV THAT IS, , , FOR SURE THIS WILL RUMMBLE ON THE STORM IS STILL OVER US ED BUT SHOULD CLEAR VERY SOON, , , , U SEE IF IT DONT. .HICKS WILL GET HIS BLOOD MONEY 4 SURE U SEE, , WE ARE LFC AN FOREVER WILL BE, , ( ARE LFC ). LFC 4 LIFE. WALK ON WALK ON WITH HOPE IN ARE HARTS. JAY ESSEX RED 4 LIFE (FOR EVER RED) NEWS PLEASE ED {ed's note - I really don't believe he can win, I don't think Broughton would go public unless he was certain. Broughton has put his neck on the line here and he will be forever remembered for this, he isn't stupid enough to do that unless he was confident of winning.}

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08 Oct 2010 09:36:17
Who will win the court battle

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08 Oct 2010 09:26:15
Just thinking . . COULD THIS BE A WAY FOR BROUGHTON TO GET OUT OF THE MESS LIVERPOOL ARE IN IF THE YANKS WIN IN THE HIGH COURT THEN BRUGHTON WOULD BE GONE AND HE COULD SAY I DONE ALL I COULD AND MOVE TO HIS "NEXT JOB"? ?

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08 Oct 2010 05:12:28
Recommend to buy n sell

sell maxi, babel, aquilani, degen, kirgiakos, poulsen

buy owen, ashley young, adam johnson, bridge
marko marin, payet, kiessling, gomez, tony kroos

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08 Oct 2010 00:58:53
Sabermetrics: wenger spends hours in front of his computer looking a player stats around the world. looking the next best thing through stat rates. nothing new.

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08 Oct 2010 00:39:15
Rumour is sabermetrics are John henrys key to success, and since its served him so well in boston, hes bringing it to anfield
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Thanks for your interesting post. I can see how it would work easily in baseball as the game wouldn't change from league to league (only quality). In football, the Spanish, Italian and English Leauges are vastly different (just ask Dossena and Aquilani) - would sabermetrics be workable with these factors? It would at least identify the best value talent already in our league. Once again, your post was a good read - thanks - LIVERPRES

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08 Oct 2010 00:31:09
Broughton has made an heroic stand against H&G. Many contributors to this site doubted him and some were hasty in their condemnation.
When it mattered most, he fought for the club's best interests. Win or lose in the courts, he did what we wanted. Those two tosspots stand to pay a heavy price for betraying our club and it is due, in part, to Broughton's principled stand.
A few of us owe him an apology.

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08 Oct 2010 00:05:21
07 Oct 2010 22:33:27
Johnson when signing for Liverpool said he never considered resigning 4 Chelsea for the way he was treated especially by Mourihno he nearly ruined his career and confidence.

Still think Hicks has something up his sleeve. Can't wait until this is over.
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I think IF Hick's had somting up his sleeve he would have played it by now and then would've succeeded in removing the board.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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