Liverpool Rumours Archive September 11 2010

 

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11 Sep 2010 23:49:40
"I heard a top irish business man ie sean quinn was tabling a hefty offer, if you don't know who quinn is he's the richest man in ireland and an lfc supporter"

He is bust. He went bust because he couldn't see the biggest global financial crash ever which means that actually he's not very good because it wasn't a surprise, it was just that it was so nasty they chose not to believe. Same as despite all the warnings that we are just in a bit of a pause and it will get a lot worse very soon, they choose not to believe that either.

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11 Sep 2010 23:13:58
To whoever posted this:

"I heard a top irish business man ie sean quinn was tabling a hefty offer, if you don't know who quinn is he's the richest man in ireland and an lfc supporter."

I heard exactly the same but what i heard was that he was part of a consortium along with several others that have tabled a bid (not saying it will be successfull), all i know is that one of the others is an irish multi billionaire building contracter living in the south east. My source is a close friend who socialises with a circle of wealthy friends involved in horse racing, iv never posted on here before and im just passing on what i believe is a realistic rumour so don't shoot the messanger.

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11 Sep 2010 22:04:30
11 Sep 2010 21:48:38
RE-11 Sep 2010 21:25:59
I heard a top irish business man ie sean quinn was tabling a hefty offer, if you don't know who quinn is he's the richest man in ireland and an lfc supporter

where did you hear that? ?
thats interesting because i actually seen him in blackrock in dublin in a liverpool jersey the other week!

db9

WHO THINKS UP THIS RUBBISH - Quinn is bust - a ruined man - his insurance group is in administration, he lost most of his money in Allied Irish Bank which has now been completely nationalised (money he lost in this would have cleared our debts). PLEASE PLEASE STOP TYPING RUBBISH ABOUT OUR CLUB - we need a buyer but look like we will only find out when it actually happens.

YNWA - RED PADDY (there is only one)

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11 Sep 2010 22:00:50
Sean quinn can, t buy liverpool because he, s broke

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11 Sep 2010 21:58:35
11 Sep 2010 21:48:03
Ok Guys,
As the information seems to be leaking into the press, I can officially inform you that out new owners are. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .THE KWOK FAMILY FROM HONG KONG.

Peter Gilchrist

Then why did you not "Offically" tell us last week who the New Owner was?

IF i knew who the New Owner was i'd be shouting it from the roof tops.

In short no one knows!

Blair Mayne YNWA

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11 Sep 2010 21:53:43
RE-11 Sep 2010 20:52:30
This is theturdz speaking
the hong kong invester looking to take over lfc is not this LI guy its the KWOK family they have real estate in hong kong and are worth about £11billion there is 3 brothers involved in the family business now think of it like this hong kong does a lto of trade with liverpool and we have the oldest china town in europe weve always welcomed the chinese people here i should know as i lived in liverpool 1 from 1972- 1990 and frequented the resturants there they are very good people so if these hong kong guys are serious then were on a winner here
from theturdz first as always with the real lfc rumourS

so your at least 38 years old and you call yourself ''the-turdz'' ha ha. . .
plus you have got no real rumours, nothing you say EVER happens,
please just don't post your garbage anymore mate, your making a holy show of yourself!
db9

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11 Sep 2010 21:48:38
RE-11 Sep 2010 21:25:59
I heard a top irish business man ie sean quinn was tabling a hefty offer, if you don't know who quinn is he's the richest man in ireland and an lfc supporter

where did you hear that? ?
thats interesting because i actually seen him in blackrock in dublin in a liverpool jersey the other week!

db9

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11 Sep 2010 21:48:03
Ok Guys,
As the information seems to be leaking into the press, I can officially inform you that out new owners are. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .THE KWOK FAMILY FROM HONG KONG.

Peter Gilchrist

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11 Sep 2010 21:45:28
Yet another source (Barcap) raises it's head and lets somthing leek to the media!

IF you believe this article then ask yourselves after all this time why is a "source" from Barcap is saying this now? Why disclose who or were the main bidder is from? Why tell us after all this time that there is up to 5 bidders on the table?

RBS, Broughton and Barcleys/ Barcap have said nothing in weeks. I'm very suspicious of this article because they say that in the article that the source is Barcap who probably have the strictest NDA's as they are in charge of the sale of the club.

We will probably hear from another "source" next week that Shiekh Mohammed, Sheikh Khlalifa, QIA, Larry Ellison, Mukesh Ambani, Yaya Kirdi, The Sultan of Brunei and who ever else the media say is now leading the race to buy our Great Club.

I think we've all got to a point now unless it's an offical statement saying we are sold/ not sold then we will believe it.

The next few weeks you can guarantee that the media will have a field day making up stories about our Great Club.

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. Our great Club is being treated like a transvestite
refereeing a UFC World Heavyweight Title bout!

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11 Sep 2010 21:25:59
I heard a top irish business man ie sean quinn was tabling a hefty offer, if you don't know who quinn is he's the richest man in ireland and an lfc supporter

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11 Sep 2010 21:13:05
Guys the next liverpool owner would be sheikh faisal al fahd
son of king abdullah with a net worth of 23 billion usd
mark my words it would happen before october 6

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11 Sep 2010 21:02:32
Tony Evans stating this, David Maddock saying that, Senior Source stating one thing, Guardian newspaper talk about toxic debt, Koptalk well you know the usual and Liverpool FC saying nothing why. I honestly belief there is a concrete bidder who is going through the books, who is being checked out by Broughton & co and soon we will see the end of this saga. Its honestly the only reson the club have stayed quiet. Honestly if something was not happening do you think Hicks could have kept his mouth no chance he loves the sound of his own voice. The only people who know are Broughton & co everything else is pure fabrication. The will be sitting in their armchairs reading the papers, listening to Sky etc and have a little smile on their faces, thinking can't wait when the news breaks they will be made to look stupid. What do you think ed

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11 Sep 2010 20:52:30
This is theturdz speaking
the hong kong invester looking to take over lfc is not this LI guy its the KWOK family they have real estate in hong kong and are worth about £11billion there is 3 brothers involved in the family business now think of it like this hong kong does a lto of trade with liverpool and we have the oldest china town in europe weve always welcomed the chinese people here i should know as i lived in liverpool 1 from 1972- 1990 and frequented the resturants there they are very good people so if these hong kong guys are serious then were on a winner here
from theturdz first as always with the real lfc rumours

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11 Sep 2010 20:39:55
A website called sports review or similar just posted an 'exclusive' story saying that a Hong-Kong based man is in the lead to take over the club, citing an inside source at barcap, who he said were angry at H+Gs unrealistic valuations and the difficulty in contacting them.
Only mentioned it because it ties in with a rumour here earlier saying Robin Li (an internet search engine tycoon?) is the successful bidder. But then he added that Li will buy out the kit sponsors Standard Chartered). With all the existing kit and merchandise already sold and maunfactured, stockpiled, advertised, etc etc, surely changing is now almost impossible, and for me it spoils the credibiltiy of the rumour.Buying it out is completely possible, it runs for a number of years so he would buy the remainder, he can launch the new kit for next season as not to upset fans that have bought new murch, it wouldn't be the first time a kit is re launched a season later.

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11 Sep 2010 20:13:42
11 Sep 2010 10:58:35
Any news on what doom Tony Evans was spouting this time?

HE IS SUCH A DOOMMONGERER. HE BACKTRACKED FROM HIS STANCE OF A FEW WEEKS AGO. BUT SAID NOTHING WILL HAPPEN UNTIL EARLY OCTOBER. HE SAID H&G WERE STILL TRYING TO REFINANCE IN AMERICA THOUGH!

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11 Sep 2010 20:10:14
11 Sep 2010 19:16:45
The take over talk over the media is back with a source in barclays capital claiming that a hong kong based businessman leads the race consisting of as many as 5 bidders who have completed due diligence. He has also shot out at the owners saying '' unrealistic valuations are driving us insane '' and also saying that barclays capital will not be financing any take over . So its all happening behind the scenes. .
Ed post this. Its absolutely true. You ll know when it starts coming in more sites
La Nina


AND TONY EVANS DEPUTY SPORTS EDITOR OF THE TIMES SAID THE HUANG BID WAS THE 'ONLY' BID. WRONG AGAIN MR EVANS!

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11 Sep 2010 19:27:27
A website called sports review or similar just posted an 'exclusive' story saying that a Hong-Kong based man is in the lead to take over the club, citing an inside source at barcap, who he said were angry at H+Gs unrealistic valuations and the difficulty in contacting them.
Only mentioned it because it ties in with a rumour here earlier saying Robin Li (an internet search engine tycoon?) is the successful bidder. But then he added that Li will buy out the kit sponsors Standard Chartered). With all the existing kit and merchandise already sold and maunfactured, stockpiled, advertised, etc etc, surely changing is now almost impossible, and for me it spoils the credibiltiy of the rumour.

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11 Sep 2010 19:27:27
To the person that posted this "I am afraid to say the sale of the club will be a long drawn out affair. . ".

As RBS gave H&G a six-month extension to sell the club from April I don't think it giving too many secrets away to later confirm that repayment of the debt is due by October 6th. Not much of a court case is it? I'm sure the multi-millionaire businesmen involved in making bids for the club would have worked this out for themselves.

Just a quickie re Van Der Vaart - my understanding eas that Real Madrid had offered him to LFC as part of a makeweight in a deal to get Mascherano - which LFC turned down. Not quite the same as saying Liverpool wanted him.

Snoopy Max

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11 Sep 2010 19:16:45
The take over talk over the media is back with a source in barclays capital claiming that a hong kong based businessman leads the race consisting of as many as 5 bidders who have completed due diligence. He has also shot out at the owners saying '' unrealistic valuations are driving us insane '' and also saying that barclays capital will not be financing any take over . So its all happening behind the scenes. .
Ed post this. Its absolutely true. You ll know when it starts coming in more sites
La Nina

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11 Sep 2010 18:43:20
YANKS HOLDING ON STILL.
offer on table, banks are forcing them to accept,
thats why all rbs rumours flying about,
who it is?
time will tell,
more pressure please rbs

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11 Sep 2010 18:30:35
I am not convinced a deal has been concluded or even a preferred bidder has been agreed. Liverpools sale unlike others has too many parties involved to keep it a secret ie Barcorp, Bar Capital (2 divisions), Hicks, Gillett, Broughton, Purslow and the bidders. Hoping I am wrong as we need a change at the top to lift the club. YNWA

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11 Sep 2010 18:08:48
Hi ed,
do you have any info
of when the club is going
to make any statements
regarding all these rumours
of ownership?
thanks malta {ed's note - no mate sorry, they don't have any intention of putting out any statements until it is finished.}

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11 Sep 2010 17:51:24
Iv been told that RBS will give a ten day extension to the current loan, but only if a buyer is in place and it takes an extended period to finalise the deal.
Further to that i have been told that although there are no *serious offers on the table, there are parties very interested, and are believed to be waiting to see the outcome of the next two weeks, giving themselves sufficient time to weigh up offers that hicks and gillet cannot refuse, . .
by *serious, im presuming that there offers for certain amounts of shares, ie. 49%/ 51% and this won't raise enough funds to pay off a near £300m loan. .
the club will be sold by the end of october(thank fcuk). to who is the question!

db9

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11 Sep 2010 15:46:51
I am afraid to say the sale of the club will be a long drawn out affair.

Hicks and Gillett are in the process of suing RBS for breach of confidentiality for revealing some of the terms of their loan facility which, they believe, cost them the sale of the club for a very healthy profit in July / August.

The sale was almost complete when the news that RBS were insistent on a sale by 6th October, or 'alternative' action maybe taken.

The prospective buyers then took a large step back, fully aware they could get the club for anywhere between £50m - £100m cheaper.

The legal action will also put a stop to any further action by RBS and, anyone who knows a little about the legal process, will tell you this case could take months, if not years.

I have it from a good source, that RBS have basically acknowledged they made a massive error in judgement and, as opposed to stumping up the difference between any 'new' offer and the previous offer, they will either extend the term of the loan at significantly improved terms (therefore making the need to sell less significant / urgent) or, sell the debt to another financial institution (who will be able to buy at for c80% of current value).

Either way, be it a 'cave in' from RBS or a legal battle, this will run for a considerable time.

THAT WONT AFFECT THE SALE OF THE CLUB EVEN IF RBS BEG THEM WITH THIS NEW OFFER IT WONT SAVE THEM THE 100 OR SO MILLION THAT RBS COST THEM.
IT WOULD BE BETTER THEY SOLD THE CLUB AT A LOSS WENT TO COURT AND PROVED THAT THROUGH THEIR MISTAKE THAT RBS COST THEM 100-200 MILLION AND GET THAT THROUGH THE COURTS.
YOU CANT JUST HOLD ONTO THE CLUB AND SAY YOUVE COST US THE MONEY WE WANT THAT WITHOUT THE ACTUAL SALE BEING FINALISED.

ONCE YOUVE DONE THE SALE THEN YOU GO TO COURT WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT BEFORE THE BANK MESSED UP LIVERPOOL WAS WORTH THIS MUCH BUT BECAUSE OF THEM WE HAD TO SELL AT THIS MUCH.

RED WILLY

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11 Sep 2010 15:39:13
Dear Ed,
Is it true the owners are suing the RBS for breach of confidentiality? That would be some bad news. .
RHI {ed's note - I don't think it is true, no.}

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11 Sep 2010 14:17:19
Delete this post after 10 min.
The winning bid is kirdi's consortium.

Anon

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11 Sep 2010 14:15:41
My dad's best mate is a scout for Liverpool - Hodgson has set up a 'wish list' of players he will be looking to make an offer for in January and has asked that the players are scouted weekly until then, as he wants a comprehensive report of each and every player.

The players are, as follows:
Wilson Palacios - Spurs
Ryan Shawcross - Stoke
Darren Bent - Sunderland
Andy Carroll - Newcastle

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11 Sep 2010 13:48:12
NEWS FLASH:
I posted a few days ago that the sale of Liverpool will be announced on the 4th October, but could not confirm who the buyer was (my father who is fairly high up in Barclays would not tell me! )

But now I know - The name of the buyer is:Robin Li, a Chinese Billionaire who has an estimated fortune of:$3.5bn.

Li is the founder of Chinese Internet Search engine, Baidu, and as well as being a huge football fan, he See's the purchase of the club as a great way of getting his brand into Europe and begin the challenge Google etc.

Standard Charter will be paid off and Baidu will be plastered all over the shirts and, unfortunately, the new ground will somehow incorporate the name (help! )

Watch this space !

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11 Sep 2010 13:44:26
The take over has indeed taken place last night. Although it is not complete, it is on the verge of completion and is subject to the outcome of 6th october. But due diligence has been done and it Was confirmed last night. It was about to spread, but people decided to throw cold water so as to not sabotage the deal.
Peter Gilchrist

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11 Sep 2010 13:38:49
I am afraid to say the sale of the club will be a long drawn out affair.

Hicks and Gillett are in the process of suing RBS for breach of confidentiality for revealing some of the terms of their loan facility which, they believe, cost them the sale of the club for a very healthy profit in July / August.

The sale was almost complete when the news that RBS were insistent on a sale by 6th October, or 'alternative' action maybe taken.

The prospective buyers then took a large step back, fully aware they could get the club for anywhere between £50m - £100m cheaper.

The legal action will also put a stop to any further action by RBS and, anyone who knows a little about the legal process, will tell you this case could take months, if not years.

I have it from a good source, that RBS have basically acknowledged they made a massive error in judgement and, as opposed to stumping up the difference between any 'new' offer and the previous offer, they will either extend the term of the loan at significantly improved terms (therefore making the need to sell less significant / urgent) or, sell the debt to another financial institution (who will be able to buy at for c80% of current value).

Either way, be it a 'cave in' from RBS or a legal battle, this will run for a considerable time.

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11 Sep 2010 12:59:30
Macca why should we believe what u say, rnt u the same fella who said Gerrard was defo off to Madrid?

Rez

Hi Rez,

Gerrard came very close to joining Madrid. In the end he decided against it. It think Hodgson joining helped his decision to stay.

Macca

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11 Sep 2010 10:58:35
Any news on what doom Tony Evans was spouting this time?

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11 Sep 2010 10:38:42
Forget Huang the man is a chancer

But I do agree 75% of the problem is Hicks not Gillett

I think Gillett came with good intensions, Hicks came with Dollar signs in his eyes

rasone

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11 Sep 2010 10:25:37
Re Financial Strategy question.
If we all recall the word "Auction" was used very early in the process. That is exactly what it is and buyers will wait until the last minute to get the best price - as we would. RBS moving the debt to their septic debt office means, in all likelyhood, that they will not extend the debt beyound 6th October and the writing is on the walls for G&H. Pity, because I actually think G would have sold earlier but H is the real problem.

Reading between the lines, I expect that there are a number of interested parties that have done some form of due diligence. If it was me ( and it would be if I had the money!) I would wait until the deadline and watch. The opportunity may come to buy the debt off RBS and secure control of the club for much less the Hicks wants. . why he cannot see that I do not know. I think his desperation has blinded his feable brain so as to hold onto his last effective asset as long as possible. I would not be surprised if Huang came back into the frame nearer the deadline. . . .hope this helps.

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11 Sep 2010 09:49:27
Jesus ed please please tell stop to these boys from posting grabage about turan and aguro they, ve been spouting that crap for 2 years now and its gettin boring apart from that its a great site ive been hearing all sorts of rumours about a take over done last night is it true or is it horse sh$t {ed's note - I don't believe it has happened yet, but it won't happen overnight anyway. Even the Man City one took a couple of months to complete, and that was a quick takeover.}

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11 Sep 2010 09:42:30
A couple of people have commented that they don't know why Torres and Gerrard stayed. I think they stayed because they were promised that, whatever happened in the boardroom, Hicks & Gillette would always be outvoted 3-2 by the other 3 members and be forced out by October.
What do you reckon, Ed? I remember somebody going out to Spain to see Torres. He was promised something and it obviously wasn't a world class strike partner. {ed's note - I don't think either were promised anything other than a different atmosphere around the club.}

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11 Sep 2010 09:29:18
Mr Usmanov is 'hovering' over Liverpool! He is looking to offload his Arsenal shares because he wants to own a PL club in full.

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11 Sep 2010 08:24:46
Well it all makes sense now, but i'm sure I wasn't the only person to get excited over the transfer window.

Let's be honest, the takeover was never going to happen. Why would anybody bid for Liverpool at H&G's value of 800m, or even close to that, when they were obviously aware that RBS wouldn't hold out on unpaid debts for much longer. Surely there must be a catch or something? I can't believe H&G failed so badly with a premier league club that they may be forced to cut thier losses and run? ED or educated people - know anything about financial strategy? What are these Septic Tanks up to?

Looking forward to the next month, and to people asking why Torres, Gerrard, Reina etc will stay; because they know a takeover is imminent, and at the dropped price from the 6th of October onwards it is going to get hectic. I reckon there are more potential buyers who have not even bothered up until this point. They obviously saw this coming so why bother until RBS has set the rules?

And some more confidence please boys and girls, Mascherano really only fits as a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 as he can't finish or shoot from distance to save his life. He's defensive all the way and I think Meireles will be so much better for Liverpool.

Hopefully with Jovanovic on the left and Cole on the right, we can see Kuyt playing his natural role as a striker when Torres has had enough. I really think Konchesky was a far more important signing than another striker. We shouldn't have two strikers on the pitch anyway - much better to have attacking midfielders, seeing as there are three (variably) of them as opposed to two strikers, and aslong as they can finish and shoot from range, are much more dangerous on the attack.

I honestly think Roy has pulled together a decent squad, can't wait to see how Pacheco and Babel will develop under him.

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11 Sep 2010 04:24:11
One thing I can pretty certainly say that the new owners will bring in a dramatic change to the club's fortunes unless we get it wrong again.
And that we ll see Aguero, Turan, and more coming our way, for the simple and same reason why joe cole came to liverpool-european nights at anfield.
Aguero being the latest to experience it in the semi finals of last years europa league , with liverpool down 1 goal leading into the game but almost going on to win it if not for a forlan brilliance. Am pretty sure aguero and forlan himself know what a special feeling it would have been playing for the reds that night. So all we need to do is get this takeover right and the likes of city , even with the cash will not be able to compete for players who care more about the game than those who look to the game as a mere profession to earn in millions. You can see the effect its had on tevez, with him sayin he mite retire before the 2014 wc cos he doesn have the same desire. At the che of 26! Lookin at him , am sure, the rest will soon realise how playing for city will make playing for the pride of club into playing for mere bosses and for their profits.
And I can almost say there s only one sheikh mansour. And the rest however rich will never follow his way particularly with a club like liverpool.
And at all cost we should hold onto torres cos he along with gerrard are surely the best ambassadors of the club, who can lure anyone here.

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11 Sep 2010 00:14:45
People of Britain, I will tell you this:

1. Regarding ownership by the Sheik: I fully recognise that in our liberal and modern democracy we will not tolerate unequal treatment based on gender. Women and men must have full access to the same opportunities, and not be forced to wear veils etc. But we have to recognise that we only gave women the vote 100 years or so ago- and even we are still progressing. So don't lets be too disappointed about the constraints that are placed on people's thinking by different cultures. We like to think we would defend womens rights no matter what, but I wonder; if we grew up in that same middle-eastern and traditional muslim environment, we might well have the same broad views. In fact, maybe the Sheik should be applauded as a radical, instead of being negative about the progress that is still to be made. It takes time for people to realise what freedom is, and we in the UK just take it for granted- but we are very lucky.

2. Some guesswork: The Ed is a very clever and well informed man and I don't think he would publicly criticise the future owner of the club at a critical time like this, with the likely bidders already preparing their approaches. The Ed's phrase was sort of: 'no person who had the right amount of money would make a good owner.'
So I am doubting that it is a single super-rich person such as the Sheik or Ambani. I think maybe we are looking at a cartel ownership of some sort, on the admittedlty fragile reasoning that the Ed hasnt criticised those.

3. When Kenny signed players who were past it, he had his rose tinted specs on. He remembered the glories achieved by mssrs barnes and rush in their heyday because he was so close to them at the time. And they WERE truly glorious, by any footballing standards. Now he is older, wiser, and more pragmatic, and personally I trust his view that Turan would add to the strength and the options of the LFC squad. Bring him on against tightly-organised but unimaginative opposition, and watch him carve out an opening on the left.
And how many are there who play his position as well as he does and can be had for less than 15 mill (and less if we wait till nearer the end of his contract). He would be a great option to have against some premiership teams.
And last, and most importantly, he wants to be here. LFC is not just a business decision for Turan, its the club he supports.
This could be his finest hour (well ok, 2011 could be).

Churchill

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11 Sep 2010 00:04:09
Where do you get the Sheikh Mohammed being public knowledge, give me one valid link that relates that Sheikh with livepool in 2010 . just one simple link . .please

Also I don't think Sharkey ever claimed he knows anything about Liverpool , he is a very good analyst of the information available in public . you need to read his posts more carefully.
Roy

You're grasping at straws Roy not once did i say Sheikh Mohammed was interested in buying us now never mind 2010.

You know i've always spoke about his previous bids (which there is plenty of links) and Sharkey explains the banking side of this fiasco at LFC at the momment.

You're runnig out of straws Roy it's a pity you're not related to Worzal Gummidge as we know he has plenty.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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