Liverpool Banter Archive November 08 2015

 

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08 Nov 2015 23:45:58
Unfortunate today. We created a lot of chances but didn't score more than one.

Still think the players might be feeling a bit tired. I know that's not an excuse and Klopp like his players to be machines. But with tiredndess you switch off a bit and a previous poster mentioed some of the habits creeping in from the brodge days. Which makes sense.

But still looked good and a bit unlucky. Just need to become clinical from these chances we make and clean up defence once and for all! plenty of times a boot out into touch would have done the job. It will come!

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09 Nov 2015 00:03:58
Didn't see the game yet but heard Benteke should have buried CP all on his own in the first half. We need to be more clinical in the final third and need to stop with the individual errors that are costing us goals and points.

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09 Nov 2015 03:01:40
atleast now i'm confident the game will be looked at again and the players will be looking at their mistakes and look to rectify it. something i don't think we did under brendan enough as the same mistakes were happening time and time again.

we lost, bt it was not from a lack of effort. atleast from what i saw.

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09 Nov 2015 08:29:47
Benteke fan but he was at fault for the defeat. He had 5 good chances and should have taken at least 2.

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09 Nov 2015 19:39:28
A fully fit Benteke would have buried CP on his own.

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08 Nov 2015 23:44:21
It was certainly no surprise to me that we lost today/ We have failed to win ANY of our league matches after playing in the Europa League this season. In fact, only Utd won today of all the Premier League teams who played in Europe this week - it does have an impact. The problem now is another bad result before yet another International break, which means we have to wait for 2 weeks, when we have the task of taking on City away. That will be a massive test for us, and IF we lose we could be down to 14th place in the table!

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09 Nov 2015 03:10:27
Yes,
It will get worse before it gets any better.

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08 Nov 2015 22:16:52
What is wrong with people this is the first game klop has lost 😂 Chill out it happens. In my opinion we still looked better then we did and things are on the up, he has the same players rodgers had and i think people have forgotten then a few weeks in.
The biggest problem we have is klop is the only one who believes we can win. Leaving the game after palace got there second There is still a good 10mins togo, show faith and believe and let the players know we believe. YNWA.

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08 Nov 2015 22:43:19
When you have 22 chances and can only score once in 95 minutes, you're not going to win a lot of games.

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08 Nov 2015 23:05:01
Was at he game, the atmosphere in general and play has improved! Looked better and although has be a common theme of creating and not scoring, give the man time!

Hope the fans get behind him and the team, but everyone is expected an instant fix! Have said we have a good team, but also very unbalanced! Give Klopp till next season to actually implement his ideas before you walk out early or blame the team.

End of the day he has taken a good squad which he even said isn't as bad as everyone thinks, but is still a squad built by erratic and unplanned spending. Think it will take 2-3 transfer windows to move on players that don't suit the team, bring in players that do and get academy players bedded.

Is a shame because with Chelsea falling off would be a great season to nip 4th but sadly see Tottenham getting it. because they have given a good manager time to build a team, not just got someone in and thrown their toys out the pram because he hasn't turned water to wine.

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08 Nov 2015 23:08:06
And its people like u that clearly are the problem. We are atleast creating the chances we are atleast attacking the opposition goal. Yes benteke should of scored today but like klop says we need the belief. Confidence is massive and a key to success and unfortunately that won't come over night.

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08 Nov 2015 23:57:31
Not too worried about our first loss. If we are going to develop into a title winning team we need to understand our flaws when we lose and eradicate them. Winning matches, although more enjoyable, does not reveal areas which need improvement, as losing matches does. This was always going to be a long term project with Klopp. If, on the other hand, we keep repeating errors and not learning from our mistakes, then and only then would i be concerned. I think Klopp has the wherewithal to understand this, and i for one have the patience and faith to support him and the team as they grow. Onwards and upwards the mighty reds.

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09 Nov 2015 00:11:29
All great points, lads! We should be at three wins in a row now in the league now under Klopp but for the individual errors due to a lack of confidence, that is killing us. Still too early to say who will get fourth as there are TWENTY SIX games left 76 points to play for. We may not get it but I know we will give it a real go, Klopp makes no excuses and wants to win every game he plays. That's great to see.

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08 Nov 2015 22:06:02
Our same old problems under Rodgers reared their head again. Absolutely weak and contemplative defending, overly-contemplative on the ball, poor end product. Our midfield was poor. Can was dreadful and yet again attempted another weak clearance that led to conceding a goal. Lucas took too long on the ball and lost possession too much, and his passing accuracy was horrible.

Lallana needs to be replaced. He looks like he's doing the right things but never actually delivers anything. His end product his sh! te, and he still takes way too long on the ball. Biggest case in point- when Moreno played a pass to Lallana for the corner in a one-two movement. Instead of knocking the ball straight back to Moreno, Lallana took a million touches on it and then decided to pass. It's just poor! F***ing poor!

I also think the fans at Anfield deserve a big spray too- Klopp is 100% right. The Anfield 'support' these days grinds my gears. They never sing unless we're blowing a team way 5-0, they emit toxic tension when some things go wrong because they're so self-entitled, and they disgracefully leave early, as seen today. These 'fans' have become way too complacent, way too lazy with their privilege of sitting in Anfield. And that's the problem, they don't seem to realise what a privilege it is for them. It's taken for granted.

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08 Nov 2015 22:57:58
Certainly some of the same problems still exist:

Set piece defending - amateurish
Goalkeeper - clown
Finishing - garbage
Faffing about on the ball in defence.

Other problems have been addressed - movement off the ball is better, width in attack is much better.

As far as I'm concerned there is nothing Klopp can do about Mignolet yet, and that may be the case until the summer. Set piece defending is an absolute basic and Klopp's team need to sort this out yesterday! Finishing is the hardest job in the book. We have 2 decent finishers at the club and they are both injured, we can only make do. Faffing about on the ball in defence seemed to have improved but today was a return to the pre-Klopp era.

Palace are one of those teams you don't want to face after a long flight from Europe because you know they'll smell blood and they'll go for you.

All in all, today was a bad result but it's not a disaster. We'll get better and when Ings and Sturridge are back we'll start rolling over teams by 3-4 goals.

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08 Nov 2015 23:34:14
Shame about Can really, I thought him and Klopp together would have been great for him. He can still turn it around, though.

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09 Nov 2015 00:21:36
Faffing about in defence is on the surface such a basic and avoidable error, but we do it so much it must be ingrained into the players. Why? Probably because Rodgers encouraged f***ing around and dilly dallying with the ball at the back to enable his stupid possession philosophy. In saying that, the players need to use their f***ing brains. In what universe does Can think it's okay to play a dangerous, risky pass to his team mate inside his own box? Ed001 is right, the guy doesn't actually look up at what's around him when he has the ball! Bloody hell, it's just unbelievably frustrating man. What a thoroughly mediocre legacy Rodgers left behind.

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08 Nov 2015 22:05:29
Eds fellow reds, credit to klopp after game saying players need to be able to be in every game not as they choose very shanks and Paisley way . it will take time but it will come very good.

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08 Nov 2015 22:01:09
Glad to see Klopp calling out all those fans who left after the second goal went in.

Good on him.

Hopefully it may change a few attitudes.

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08 Nov 2015 23:07:18
You could see him look around and his disappointment at our reaction and people leaving when the second went in, the atmosphere was gone.

We need to get behind the team!

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08 Nov 2015 23:29:02
That was a disgrace, those fans let down Kloppo today.

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09 Nov 2015 00:16:41
The home support has been dreadful since last season and those "fans" who left after the second goal or those who refused to sing and support the team should be ashamed of themselves and desist from calling themselves LFC fans. Pathetic display of support from a minority, I hope.

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09 Nov 2015 00:24:46
Dude, that pisses me off more than the fact we lost. Those idiots at Anfield don't like they're arsed about whether they are actually there or not. It's just a weekly chore. When you have a guaranteed season ticket seat every year, lazy complacency creeps in. It's becoming more and more like Stamford Bridge.

Leaving early like that was totally out of order, they should hang their heads in shame. I'm sure they would have found the time to stay if we were winning.

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{Ed007's Note - That's your half n half scarf, EPL customers for you. Their day out's nearly finished and they just want to get home quick to upload their selfies or in case they miss X-Factor. If you're at a game and see folk leaving early call them out on it and ask where they need to be in such a hurry.}

09 Nov 2015 03:08:10
I detest those half and half scarves. They don't at all demonstrate which team you are supporting, you may as well wear a half and half jersey too.

If the team is getting walloped by at least 4 goals and the game is already over, then I don't really mind. I'm from Sydney and if I'm at the rugby and my team is getting smashed e. g. 30-6 with 5 minutes left, I may as well leave so I can beat the car park traffic. But to leave when it's only 2-1, with over 10 minutes left, is petulant and weak. It told the Liverpool players that they had absolutely no belief in them to find that equalizer while it was still possible.

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{Ed001's Note - I have never understood the early leavers, regardless of score. Mind, if I was forced to watch rugby I would leave as early as possible too.}

09 Nov 2015 06:36:33
It's different at some stadiums in Sydney where the car traffic after the game is genuinely atrocious. However If my team is getting smashed at the home ground just up the road from me, I stay till the end because I just walk home.

Rugby League actually, which is more entertaining than Rugby, and better in quality over here than in England.

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{Ed001's Note - it is a bit like saying something is more entertaining than watching paint dry, it may be true, but it is not setting the bar very high. Rugby is, in both codes, really not my thing.}

08 Nov 2015 21:58:05
I have to say I do believe lfc miss Gerard a lot .
To fight until the end of a game. I can't see anyone in that 11 who can shout or make it known that " we can still win this " come on! Type attitude .

It's very leaderless in the pitch . I look at Liverpool and sometimes I think it's like a young team that needs guidance

Does anyone agree in that sense?
I'm not talking about ability just that . Fight till the end mentality, a leader, a driving force so the rest can follow it.

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08 Nov 2015 22:12:49
Finding a forceful captain on the pitch seems to be a lot harder than it looks. Chelsea will certainly miss Terry when he goes, Arsenal have never replaced an influential player quite like Viera nor Man U with Keane. In my opinion getting the right captain and leader is a lot harder than appears.

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08 Nov 2015 19:31:25
Shame about Can as I can't see him fitting in (yet) in to this system.

He's a decent player, but technically the game passes him by at times.

I think it suits Allens game much more.

Can needs to stay and grow with our club, but at present, due to him still adapting, being young and lacking in technical ability, he needs benching.

Said this for a few games now.

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08 Nov 2015 19:45:27
Klopp of the Kop has done exceptionally well so far.
Considering the injuries.

Rather than buy a lot of average players that Bodgers did.

An expensive very good forward is needed. But in the days of Bodgers, why come to us?

Bodgers spent all the money.

In reality even with an open check book. Are the right players available?

City want another forward, so do Chelsea.

Teams that were not so good a couple of seasons ago are now doing well.

Don't expect instant success.

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08 Nov 2015 19:51:06
Can should be played only in a three Men midfield and him being the third advanced midfielder with license to roam.

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08 Nov 2015 20:08:24
I love it when people suggest they know better. Let Klopp get on with it. i'm sure he will sort out any issues. I happy enough to see how far he can take this group of players. A few less injuries would help greatly. The medical staff must be working over time and Palace are definately our bogey team. Still, we are playing a more cavalier type of football and at least Jurgen went for the win adding the 2 offensive players. i'm happy enough with that.

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08 Nov 2015 20:24:36
You're saying klopp hasn't bought a lot of expensive players like Rodgers? Except he hasn't had a transfer Window yet. And Harry stop going on about can, he's the best we have available in the middle at the Moment. Allen has proven he hasn't got enough to his game, can has just started in the middle for us and he's already been written off for many.

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08 Nov 2015 20:30:28
But our individual errors are killing us like they did today. Vs Chelsea, it was individual errors that cost us their goal. Today, the very same thing. This needs to be sorted out ASAP.

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08 Nov 2015 20:30:46
Can hasn't got a position.

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08 Nov 2015 23:27:40
Can and moreno are making individual errors all over the place. Can desperately needs time out, he is trying too hard and is all over the place right now, we really need henderson. Moreno should be taken out too but we can't because both our other left backs are injured!

Mignolet once again with terrible goalkeeping for the second goal again. No more words need to be said there.

Lallana once again didn't take any responsibility going forward. there's no point playing a number ten who just doesn't have the guts to be creative at all.

Benteke had a shocker in terms of finishing, not for the first time, but he is the best we have and at least is getting in those poistions! There was a time when suarez couldn't hit a barn door as well so its just one of them, at least he has an influence.

At this point in time some players just aren't performing well enough but can't be dropped because of injuries and the squad is still a mess from the rodgers era. So moreno has to keep his place but
Can needs to be dropped for brannagan, teixeira or even allen, lallana preferably for firmino.

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08 Nov 2015 19:06:34
Can was poor all game and klopp made the right decision to take him off. I don't agree with making all the space for moreno at the moment when he needs to work on his crossing. Coutinho is being played in the wrong position if klopp decides to go with lallana. Benteke needs that support there and I don't think lallana is suited in the hole. We do need amother striker with ings out and sturridge back when he finally heels. We miss Hendo in midfield. Hoping sakho will recover fast and glad the international break is now so hopefully not to serious and is back for the City game. It will take time but it's getting there with Klopps way of football and I'm glad he is so passionate already about the club.

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08 Nov 2015 19:12:05
I would have brought Allen in for Can and asked him to keep the ball and spread to wide areas. Allen is a better footballer than Can ( I am sure of getting stick for this opinion ) Firmino should have come in for Lallana.

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08 Nov 2015 19:21:11
We can't keep buying strikers, just because are current ones get injured!

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08 Nov 2015 19:43:06
Allen is a better footballer than Can
Oh dear.

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08 Nov 2015 19:43:41
Origi isn't up for the premiership so ship him out on loan to another premiership team so he can get used to it. Sturridge is more of a liability these days and we can't exactly rely on benteke given his injury record as well so ye I think we need another striker or bring back yesil so what he can offer.

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08 Nov 2015 19:59:11
Chris

Allen was one fine player a couple of years ago played alongside Britton for Swansea. He is technically brilliant. Keeps the ball well and is a master of short passes.

Now tell me apart from a very physical structure what dies can offers?

1. Is he good in passing?

2. Good in dictating the game

3. Good positionally?

4. How good is his defensive awareness

5. Does he s scores goals Ike Lampard?

Which of the above factors you think he would be regular in our starting eleven?

I am not slagging him, But He needs immense training and coaching.

From my personal point of view of the game, Allen is a better footballer than Can.

Play Allen next to Lucas and not in place if Lucas.

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08 Nov 2015 20:23:50
EG, Can is good at passing, he controls the game better than Allen, and how many of these things can Allen do?

Luckily Henderson will be back soon after the international break and it will most likely be at Can's expense. But still he is a great young player who will undoubtedly get better with experience.

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08 Nov 2015 20:27:50
Does can score goals like lampard? How many do? Does Allen? Does Can save penalties like Reina? Does he have the moves like jagger? You can name things he's bad at all you want, doesn't make Allen better. Does Allen get bullied? Does he get assists?

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08 Nov 2015 20:33:01
EG, you've made our point for us. Allen was a fine player, TWO years ago. We are in 2015/16' not 2012/13. Just a thought.

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08 Nov 2015 20:34:21
I'd agree that Allen is a better footballer than Can, I find it quite silly to think otherwise.

I struggle to see what Can offers to be honest.

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08 Nov 2015 20:40:57
Allen "technically briliant" 😆.

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08 Nov 2015 20:50:28
Allen is technically brilliant? I've just had to re read that was actually written in seriousness.

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08 Nov 2015 20:59:51
Can's biggest problem is decision making. Doesn't pick his runs or his passes well and positions himself poorly when we don't have the ball. This was plainly evident in the handful of games he played in central midfield under BR last year and it's starting to show again. Technically and physically he's fine, but he needs coaching and experience. He has only had 2 seasons of regular senior football and has been moved around a lot positionally in that time.

Allen would be more intelligent in his choice of movement and pass, but he every time he's gotten a run of matches, he's had a game in that run where he was completely dominated physically by the opposition and that seemed to destroy his confidence. I would have to assume it'll happen again if he's picked, and I honestly don't think he'd overall do any better than Can. So until Hendo's back, I'd stick with Can and try and work on his game, because he has the potential to very good.

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08 Nov 2015 21:35:40
EG allen on to ''spread the ball to wide areas'' We had NO problem doing that infact we were kept very wide on purpose. we distinctly lacked a central option and Kept putting terribly lofted crosses in and it was predictable, we were kept well out of zone 14 throughout most the match. Allen for me just would not be able to fill that running and harrying role that comes with the press, I don't think he's strong enough to dispossess a player, intelligent enough to know when to press, he isn't anywhere near attacking minded enough to then play an incisive pass if he does get the ball in the press.

What I;d have much rathered see was Ibe being played on the left, the lad LOVES to cut in, and kept doing it to get us in central, but on his left cutting in from the right he's far less effective.
Lallana did the best he could and did his usualy at the edge of the 18 which was find space and make space for other players, I like him playing at the edge of the 18 where his control, touch and vision are best exploited.

Can's role (for me from what I've seen) is to bomb forward and get teams running back, create the room by driving past other players and committing players to challenging hima nd moving out of position. He does this well, but his final pass has been forced, he looks for the forward ball too often having gained ground, he needs to learn that sometimes having run forward 20 yars. he's already got the ground, made up, play it off and stay central to the attack. He's 21 and still trying to learn his role, and wasn't helpedlast year being forced into the right central defense role. He's making mistakes and should have just cleared that ball for the 1st goal but over time I expect him to come good. Allen however wouldn't have come close to changing that game going forward.

Firmino did JUST that when he came on for Can he offered more centrally going forward and freed up pipco and and Lallana

BTW if any one gets the chance to watch both goals, please please please see how poor Clynes positioning is in both, Not that he's responsible for the 1st but he just doesn't pay attention to puncheon peeling off asking for the ball, and realises FAR too late that bolasie is coming left and shooting.
In the second goal I haven't even got a clue who he's marking, or doing, he simply watches the corner come in and doesn't move. I am MYTHED as to why our fans love him.

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08 Nov 2015 18:46:23
a few issues still need ironing out, whilst I agree mignolet has been playing better open to debate in my eyes but not going to argue with people, but when was the last time he made a save that made you think ' wow' that was great. I for one can't even remember if he has. the goal conceded today won't go down as a mistake from him but why on earth didn't he push the first header out for another corner? secondly I think we could give moreno 100 crosses and the lad would hit the first man 95 of them he gets in great positions but needs a lot of work on his final ball. my main positive from today's game, whilst at 1-1 klopp goes for it, off comes can and on comes firmino you can tell he a manager who goes out for the win I think we got a very exciting season ahead when we get everyone back fit.

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08 Nov 2015 18:51:48
Not really. Can was rubbish through out and I knew that change coming. Klopp like Lallana and Ibe had a great game. So it was obvious.

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08 Nov 2015 18:56:16
Mignolet will likely be for sale this summer as with other big earners who havnt been good enough.

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{Ed002's Note - Certainly Liverpool has looked at another goalkeeper again recently, but I am not aware that any decision has been made about the future of Mignolet at this time. It is a long time to go until Summer.}

08 Nov 2015 19:06:45
Mignolet looks like he is asleep in the first ten minutes of every game.

That first shot the opposition have seems to never be saved if its on target. Its sounds daft and I agree with the people who will have a go at me, but watch him after this post at the start of every game he never seems to be at the races.

Klop dropped the ball today with his substitutions, Phillip was on his last legs at about 70 minutes and lallana was to. Should of given origi and texi at least 20 minutes to freshen things up. He will learn.

I hope he is loking for a crative mid and a gk for January or the summer because that is what we lack big time. Somene to split the defence with and outrageous pass and a goalkeeper who makes that Dave which keeps you in a game (not to disimilar to the ones bogers made agaidnt bournmouth)

Other than that where not going to see much difference from the team whilst operating in Europa league and not having hendo back in the middle is killing us. Can i like but years away from starting in the middle for Liverpool, he will be better when he understands the game more and I personally think he needs to hit the treadmill, he always looks like he is in quicksand! Very slow with his passes and always truding about. Never seems really sharp.

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08 Nov 2015 19:07:55
Edd002, i definately see us signing a quality keeper in the summer . Ino its a long time away but there are positions the club is weak in that we can't improve really until the summer window. so we will have to make do until then.

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{Ed002's Note - The money was never going to be there this past summer for an expensive goalkeeper given the significant spending (and over-spending) on other players. The club were clearly happy with Mignolet and never tried to replace him. I am not sure that anything has changed much in the month Klipperty has been around and I would be very surprised if a decision has been taken this early to replace him next summer. The club has, as I have previously explained, looked at another goalkeeper since Klipperty arrived and they have continued to look at other players from a scouting perspective. But right now this does not mean too much and please don't read too much in to it. Unless Liverpool are planning something for January, then right now they are browsing and tyre kicking like many other clubs. Klipperty has said no changes in January and there is no money to be spent. I have said that, without calling him a liar, if the right player became available at the right price, then I would expect something could be done. The fans tend to see giant holes across the squad and often have distorted views - "we need a striker", "Mignolet has to go", "Can makes too many mistakes", "Lucas has to be moved on", "Moreno is not a good defender", "we must get four new centre backs", "Ilori is the greatest footballer of all time" etc.. Coaches and managers take in to consideration how a squad is built and how teams work together - they will look more at the group than individuals - and then they will look to individuals who can improve that group. Fans tend not to see that and simply crave "marquee" signings. It is a long way to go still. Rebuilding and make large numerical changes year-onyear has not suited Liverpool in the past - I doubt it will next summer either.}

08 Nov 2015 19:26:56
on another side note I thought ibe was excellent again today. it's amazing what confidence can do to a lad, he has so much to learn but by heck he 'could' be a special player that boy.

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08 Nov 2015 19:40:00
edds wat I've seen of Bogdan he has done nothing wrong maybe a run in the side to really see how he does also are keeper on loan at aberdeen seems to be playing well. if you don't mind ed wat keepers have we been looking at cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't see Bogdan getting a "run" of games without injury or suspension and whoever is at Aberdeen will be staying there. Patricio was again looked at.}

08 Nov 2015 20:23:31
Great post ed! Not fair though to brand everyone in the same bracket ehrn it comes to fans, some of us understand!

What I don't get is why it takes so ling for coaches to make decisions on players!

I get the what you have said above.

We have seen it though with every manager even back to rafa, the same with tactics or subs. Your screaming st the Tele to make that substitution and the cosches never seem to see it. Are they to close to the group and game. I mean because they can srr what a certain player can do in training do they leave a player on for that alone, knowing that they can do it even though it doesn't come around in matches.

Today lallana and courinjo needed bringing off. What is the problem with subs, someone like Tex coming on for 20 mins in place of lallana, the eay I would see it is there was no way Tex could drop below lallans level toward the end so what do you have to lose.

Bogdan I watched him against bournmouth and I don't think I have ever seen migs ever look as composed as he did and he made some great stops and made me and a lot of other fans feel like we were sound at the back. Why wouldn't he or won't he get a run in the team as I said above he can't do worse than migs (when he has those days) I've seen the eds mention the level of bogdan but what does anyone see in mignolet I personally think he is woeful and championship level at best! He only makes the saves that he should make as a goalkeeper bht offers nothing that he should to be at the top levels of the game. Does he perform well in training? Or do they see him as better than bogdan because I don't and a lot of other fans don't.

Could we really be stook with nigs for another season after this one? I really have to question the coaches eye for talent then because he is terrible. And never in a million years a top ten (league) goalkeeper.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't bracket everyone together - just that most of the fans are not bright enough to realise that.

I am not sure I understand the "stook with nigs" comment but if you brush your tentaferes in a widdershins direction all of your fadgets will harmonise.}

08 Nov 2015 20:26:46
Edd002, lfc need 3 top class players as i have said the past 2 summers and we have ended up with 8 plus who fail to make a real impact. We have failed to address the goalkeeping situation for years now and it is a major weakness in our team and has been for too long.
It is just of my opinion mate that we may be a lot better buying players we need in the future under klopp.

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{Ed002's Note - Substantiated by what evidence to date?}

08 Nov 2015 21:51:45
I just don't understand how Mignolet has any fans at the club. All keepers at the top level are excellent shot stoppers so that is not a reason to keep him. He can't kick straight, his decision-making is terrible, he flaps at crosses or punches (badly) like today when catching the ball was a real option. He doesn't seem to be vocal and able to organise his defence. Please someone tell me what they see in him?

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08 Nov 2015 22:46:18
Edd002 klopp bought well at Dortmund . i'm not a fan that expects rues etc to be brought in. Funds will be limited and expectations should be lowered however under precious management we bought players in positions that were not needed or young potential talents such as markovic that were expensive and ended up badly.
i just believe klopp will rectify were the team is weak in the future unlike past regime. Is there much evidence that will happen? No as he's just in the job but i believe in the man and his fantastic work at dortmund.

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09 Nov 2015 00:07:37
Edd002 don't let this effect our bromance. We've been through so much, would be a shame.

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08 Nov 2015 18:42:45
Gooner here

You boys have been as unucky as us with injuries, do you think Klopp will spend big in January or wait?

You need a fully fit D S.

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08 Nov 2015 18:48:15
We don't have money to spend big or small. It's a sell to buy equation for the club.

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08 Nov 2015 19:22:35
Spending big means nothing, it's about developing your own players that's more important.

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08 Nov 2015 19:30:17
You haven't the time to develop.

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08 Nov 2015 19:41:22
Money will be found.

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08 Nov 2015 19:45:31
Its about winning games that'swhat important mighty reds. If you can develope your players so they win you games and not in three years time then great. If not and can afford it you buy. Time will tell who can Klopp develope, I still think we need to buy some quality in the creating good chances department.

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08 Nov 2015 17:23:09
Win or lose LFC are playing exciting football and palace too. What a game so far.

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08 Nov 2015 17:40:44
Still can't score for toffees, how many chances does benteke need.

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08 Nov 2015 18:04:35
That's why we need Sturridge fit and selling him is daft.

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08 Nov 2015 18:08:12
we could do with ings too, eager, hungry, and has pace and movement.

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08 Nov 2015 18:38:54
This is a results game.

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08 Nov 2015 18:53:19
For the first time ever, people have accepted it's ok to loose. I wish this continues through out.

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08 Nov 2015 19:08:48
EG, I don't think it's okay to lose and will never accept it especially, with the school boy mistakes that led to the goals that beat us. I like Moreno and Can BUT they need to quit costing us goals and points because it's getting frustrating. Mingo makes a hash of a save while before that, Dann is allowed to have two free headers unchallenged. These things need to be fixed or we will finish midtable this season for sure.

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08 Nov 2015 19:47:16
Redohio

Fantastic at least you are honest.

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08 Nov 2015 20:35:54
It was still an exciting game which is all I meant. It was great to say and gutted we lost but let's just be happy for now we have a great coach who will likely make this team better in time.

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08 Nov 2015 16:57:34
So at half time I was going through the ticker on sky for the Arsenal game, apparently Spurs have been really bossing them in the first half.

My question is - Do you think it's possible that we may see 2 different teams in the CL spots come end of the season?

Both Spurs and Liverpool have been praised recently for their form, where as Manchester United have been stuttering along and Chelsea have just capitulated.

So maybe the top 4 this season will be Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City and Spurs?

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08 Nov 2015 17:08:37
Man Utd have been criticised but look at their results.

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08 Nov 2015 17:17:25
To be fair, that's why I said they're stuttering. They're not putting teams to bed and they're getting quite lucky.

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08 Nov 2015 18:02:59
Hfs, I'm not a huge fan of the style of play we're currently seeing at Old Trafford. But it's getting results regardless. When you haven't conceded a goal for 8 hours, how are you deeming us lucky? some of you make me laugh.

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08 Nov 2015 16:46:03
i thought lovren did well with sakno next to him in our last game so i don't know why he has brought back skertal, because i think skertal brings a lot of indecision to the back 4 where as our back 4 looked very good on thursday and they looked confident, , i would have liked lovren to start today again so sakho and lovren can make a good partnership,

for me sakho is our number 1 defender and we need a good partner for him because as soon as we get a good player next to sakho i think they will be like a wall and no one will get through it

i also think the same as another poster who said klopp still thought about football while he was on his holidays and has identified players for his next club he has thought about not one player but about 4 or 5 a spine of players maybe, as i'm writing this sakho is coming off for lovren, its a funny old game this football game,

the presenter has just said palace have won all 5 games they have gone in front 1st so if we win or draw it will be a good result

come on you redmen

GOAL by PC, i wonder what the fans who was giving him loads in the past few weeks think about him now, do you all still want him to leave he does score important goals for us, well do little man for getting us back in the game.

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08 Nov 2015 17:09:04
To be fair mbrock99, if you look at Coutinho as a neutral, you'll see that half the time he's thinking of himself (looking to shoot) . This is what I have noticed today anyway, it's quite frustrating at times and if he wants to be shooting and scoring more often, then he needs to be in better positions.

There is no denying this boy could become world class, but he has a lot to work on before that becomes a reality.

I'm not bashing the lad, he's my favourite player along with Sakho. Sometimes he just needs to be a little less selfish and trust his team mates more.

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08 Nov 2015 18:09:44
hsf, your right. Continho gets the ball, and all he thinks about is shoot. Where as Ibe gets the ball and he thinks what's best to do. Continho can do the same thing but just doesnt. The goal continho got today was made by the team. He needs to return the favour.

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08 Nov 2015 16:45:08
I just feel so much more confident in our teams confidence since Klopp. When we fell behind before, I would think game over. Now I think "bring it on! "

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08 Nov 2015 18:13:36
Well that put paid to that, didn't it!

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08 Nov 2015 16:26:56
Appalling goal to concede - firstly Moreno bottles the initial challenge as he is afraid to use his right foot and then Can is just super, super casual in his own 18 yard box. Woeful goal to concede - especially frustrating is the fact that the players attitude leads to the goal. Defending badly is one thing, but to be so casual with the ball? Bang out of order, hope Klopp has a word with both.

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08 Nov 2015 16:43:35
Well at least the goal we've just scored was as good as that concession was bad.

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08 Nov 2015 16:55:36
Kinda feel for can, think it's just inexperience. I've definetely been in that situation defensively where you just see the ball, stick a foot out without thinking and end up conceding.

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08 Nov 2015 17:08:42
I'll be honest Fencey I was fuming more with Moreno as my stream froze and I didn't see Can's mistake (only heard the commentary) and the goal. Thought Moreno could of done way better - the lad has some strange lapses, he has to cut them out of his game.

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08 Nov 2015 20:39:10
Both goals were horror shows, riddled with individual mistakes from the usual suspects. This needs sorting out, ASAP.

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08 Nov 2015 16:25:34
Not good from Moreno and Can. Coutinho needs to stop constantly looking for the shooting opportunity, few times we've been in a dangerous position and Coutinho has spent to much time on the ball looking for the shot. Ibe, Lucas and Skrtel have looked fairly decent thus far.

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08 Nov 2015 15:48:04
I guess we should be supporting Arsenal today as Spurs are one of the challengers for 4th?

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08 Nov 2015 15:52:58
I hope they both lose.

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08 Nov 2015 16:48:29
Couldn't agree more with TJ!

However, on balance, I would rather a draw or Spurs win. Arsenal are only 8 points ahead and I'm not giving up on anything until maths are against us.

4th is 3rd loser.

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08 Nov 2015 15:22:22
Any of the eds know what's going on with Sturridge are we going to see him anytime soon? Thanks in advance.

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{Ed001's Note - he is due back in a couple of weeks.}

08 Nov 2015 15:39:18
Just on the same topic as mbrock regarding Klopp transfers. There's something I've been thinking since his arrival at the club.
Who is reading into this 'break' Klopp had a bit too much maybe? Who's saying he hasn't already found 3/4 players he wants at his new club whoever it was and is already thinking of a new European charge.
Because I'm telling you now, this guy hasn't been on a beach for 6 months, same with his assistants, he lives and breathes football probably way more than us and I for one, can't go 4 days without some sort of football! I think he's already found the next Lewandowski personally, I think he's already changed this team into a title challenging squad in his head.
He'll know players in the German leagues he wants at this club and don't be surprised if he gets one or two in January who the majority of us haven't even heard of.

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08 Nov 2015 17:11:05
I agree with some of what u say, I just don't see how we can bring anyone else in. Don't think the funds are there to do it. Don't think we can offload anyone that will give us the funds, and I can't see it happening in regards to our FFP situation. Would love for 2 quality signings to come in, just don't see how it will happen unfortunately.

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08 Nov 2015 18:32:57
We need a world class goalkeeper, but there won't be any available in January.

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08 Nov 2015 15:34:24
Alright lads and lasses, just a quick one.
Anyone know of there's a way to stream the games on an android mobile? An app or something.

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08 Nov 2015 15:08:15
Nice to see Lucas captain, shows how much he's appreciated under klopp, would have been easy to give it to skrtel.

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08 Nov 2015 15:27:55
Agreed, 3 points and no injuries please.

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08 Nov 2015 16:33:56
im not a fan of lucas because his passes side ways always let's the opposition get back behind the ball, i just don't see the good he does i'm sorry to disagree with a lot of you but his mistakes leads to goals, now todays 1st goal was a mistake by 2 players to me one is by emre can and the other is by lucas, if lucas was as good as a lot of people say he is he would have taken the ball off bolassie or got to the ball before bolassie, but he made an half hearted attempt to stick is foot out to challange for the ball again i'm sorry i don't see what you all see, but its only my opinion that won't count for much with all the fans that will not see the mistakes by lucas, i know he does a lot for the club and helps new players settle in and he deserves to be the captain for today but i just see too many mistakes by him that a lot of fans don't see or don't want to see them, he has improved under klopp just like a lot of the players have so hopefully he will cut out these mistakes that lead to goal, i know a lot of people will give me down the banks but its just what i see.

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08 Nov 2015 17:03:17
On the back of his jersey its says "Lucas", number 21. He is not a flashy player so doesn't really stand out that much, I think he is more the behind the scenes type. Breaks up play, protects his defense, gives away a few fouls, collects the odd yellow. Generally does all the crappy work, and does it extremely well! Typical defensive midfielder. That's right, that's Lucas. 😂.

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08 Nov 2015 17:12:42
Mbrock there goal had nothing to do with lucas get a grip man fella, and for always passing back and sideways are you watching the same game lad? . Can is the only player at fault for there goal. Lucas is an unsung hero, by that a mean breaks counter attacks up and getting important foot in to disrupt the flow of the oppersition basically tidying up, yes k nothing spectacular but he not there for that. Imo he is a cog in our machine.

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08 Nov 2015 15:06:55
Lucas is captain today!

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08 Nov 2015 14:38:41
Did you put the team up Waro?

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08 Nov 2015 14:06:03
hi eds can i ask you if you know what klopp is like in the transfer market has his buys been a success or has he had more duds, as i'm waiting to see who he buys and if they do good in our league,

also i know he has only been with us for a short time but how do you rate him, does he have what it take do you think or has the players stepped up to all their potential or has the players got better because of him or are they showing him what they can play like, thanks for any answers in advance, again i know he has only been with us for a few weeks but has the improvement been down to him or the players themselves.

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{Ed002's Note - It has never been simply him buying players but he has done pretty well with the likes of a young Hummels, Aubameyang, Gundogan and Sven Bender. There have been others who were expensive to buy and were already achieve much like Mkhitaryan and Reus. It did not go too well with Mkhitaryan. He has also had his fair share of failures, but critically they have not been expensive failures.

The players have got a boost because of the new manager and there is no question he is a good manager. There will be some bumps along the way but I am sure it will work pretty out well in the end.}

08 Nov 2015 14:44:37
The players Jurgen Klopp made into world class

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08 Nov 2015 14:37:19
than you for your answer ed002, i'm happy now as it shows he knows what he is doing and the players you have mentioned would walk into most teams in the world,

nice one ed002 thanks.

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08 Nov 2015 13:50:55
Any news on Who's starting today?

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08 Nov 2015 14:08:26
Milner out! Hamstring.

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08 Nov 2015 14:32:39
Really another injury! Wow, Klopp not having the best of luck with injuries although I know people may say the team is better without Milner.

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08 Nov 2015 14:40:40
a lot of fans on here will be happy milner is out, we are getting a lot of injuries, let's hope that it stops and klopp can pick from a full squad for once, he will have some one lined up to step in though and i don't think he will play a player out of position like BR would have done.

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08 Nov 2015 12:48:56
Ilori not in the Villa squad again even under a new manager. Shame that!

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08 Nov 2015 13:10:06
No wonder Klopp wants to over haul the loan policy at the club. First Wisdom, and now Ilori. Both promising players have had their careers stagnated by the club because of pointless loan moves.

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08 Nov 2015 13:21:18
You need to do well in the training to get a game. You simply cannot criticize any new manager. this is rubbish.

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{Ed001's Note - except new managers, managers in general in fact, very rarely want to trust loan players over those whose future is related to how the club get on.}

08 Nov 2015 13:06:41
I think Ilori is thought of being too weak for the PL or something like that, He played whenever fit for Granada and Bordeaux and was decent for them and played very well in the u21 euros. Such a shame.

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08 Nov 2015 13:42:48
I am not sure on this, We loaned Moses and then decided not to play him as he wasn't good enough. Never heard the Chelsea faithful slagging us.
Its purely a manager's call who plays and who does not. I hope people have come down to planet earth from planet SUSO.

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08 Nov 2015 14:58:14
If you have a whole team playing under pressure it may not be good, maybe ilori may be a clam head of he's not playing for his future. Tbh will lescott and Richards stay at villa if they get relagated, I'm sure they'd leave first chance they get.

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08 Nov 2015 10:39:31
Morning,
Does anyone have a decent link to watch the game today?
I can't believe it's not in tv!

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08 Nov 2015 10:58:43
go into google and type in ronaldo7 liverpool vs crystal palace, should take you to a number of reliable links!

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08 Nov 2015 11:14:21
google ronaldo7 and click watch soccer live. has the best quality in my opinion with ustream links.

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08 Nov 2015 11:30:22
I can post a link to a stream about 45 mins before kick off if you don't find any.

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08 Nov 2015 11:55:31
Thanks for all of your replys. Not sure who disagrees with me, but hey ho. there's always one.

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08 Nov 2015 12:46:50
Navixsport. com does me.

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08 Nov 2015 14:25:28
try eplsite all one word, i use that for all our games, i hope that helps, i have not tried the ronaldo7 site but i can always rely on the eplsite its very simple to use and it will have all todays games on so you can watch the villa one 1st i hope that helps,

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08 Nov 2015 14:49:04
Cheers my bootys.

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08 Nov 2015 15:03:22
im watching the villa v man city game as i writing this on the eplsite also you don't have to sign up for it.

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08 Nov 2015 09:46:45
If the eds don't mind. I'm taking my football club on a mini tour in May. Instead of paying ridiculous fees for a company to find us an opposition and hotel, I'm wondering if the posters here play for a team that would be up for it come May 2016. We can cherge £10 a player match fee and all money can go to the jft96. After pitch costs it will still be over £200 raised. If you think you can sort a match out, please respond and we can go from there 😊.

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{Ed002's Note - You will need to provide more details than that - such as where you are looking to go - Stockport, Rochdale, Canne, Toronto?}

08 Nov 2015 10:19:30
Lol nothing that far bud. I was thinking south coast, up north, or even abroad, such as Cardiff ;)
Somewhere with a good night life too preferably. Cheers Ed.

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{Ed002's Note - Then I am sure someone will be able to help here.}

08 Nov 2015 14:33:50
I'm a manager of a Sunday team on the South Coast in Worthing. Brighton is 15 miles down the road so you'd have a good Craic of an evening as well.

We've got a club there which is £2.50 a pint and the pitch would be fairly cheap if not free.

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{Ed002's Note - Thanks Mick.}

08 Nov 2015 15:02:32
We have a team that play in Blackpool, most of us Liverpool fans, sure we would be up for it benny, don't know if you would call it a good night out but it will definitely be wild.

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08 Nov 2015 16:49:42
Hey stevie and mick. Firstly stevie, we did Blackpool for the clubs birthday, it was wet, and windy, really really windy lol. As well as travelling from Oxford in a limited 57mph mini bus, I don't think I'll be able to get the boys up there again lol.
Mick, Brighton sounds great! Let's confirm details. Please email me on benjaminallen1991@hotmail. co. uk
Or Skype Ben. allen91
Thanks a lot, let's raise some money!

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{Ed002's Note - I think now mentioning the team comes from Oxford helps as well. I would assume people were of the opinion the team was from Liverpool.}

08 Nov 2015 08:59:53
Hi eds, you mentioned a few left backs of your choice, would that be to replace Moreno of just provide competition? Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - competition, someone was asking about that.}

08 Nov 2015 10:18:27
Bloody hell. Gaya or rpdriquez as competition they would both cost well into the 20 mil bracket.

If we see a future for Moreno wouldn't we be best signing someone who is 29/30 for a few millon.

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08 Nov 2015 13:07:18
I agree with you there Paulo, but who would that be?

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08 Nov 2015 05:41:08
Hope the pato rumours are just that
He is not good enough. Milan let him go, at the time no other European club came in for him. The papers are saying the fee would be 14m. This is ridiculous for a player who is injury prone and would be a gamble at best. If he is signed it may be an indication that Sturridge's injury is worse than expected. He is not a Klopp player.

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08 Nov 2015 06:40:53
i really doubt klopp will go for pato.

he is just as big of a gamble as balotelli was. did i say gamble? maybe i shouldev said mistake.

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08 Nov 2015 07:39:50
It's all bulls***. That club president who's being attributed to those quotes- he never said that.

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08 Nov 2015 07:55:56
He was once regarded as the finest striker in European football. I still remember his goal against Barcelona. Dribble past half the team inside 10 mts.

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{Ed001's Note - he was never regarded as such, he was hyped as potentially the best, never that he actually was.}

08 Nov 2015 08:57:53
Would it have potentially been a similar situation with Continuo?

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08 Nov 2015 09:40:33
A lot was expected of him. We was pretty much Neymar before Neymar was Neymar.

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08 Nov 2015 13:11:49
Neymar since he has been 15 has been known to be a special special talent that would end up being one of the worlds best players, which has happened! Pato has always been overhyped and flopped wherever he went in europe!

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08 Nov 2015 14:07:17
Pato's over rated, over hyped and a crock. The club should steer clear off this disaster. No need to add to the club's already bloated list of expensive flops, especially with all the FFP issues.

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08 Nov 2015 03:38:27
Hi Eds, if liverpool were to use Pato as a backup striker to DS, ings, benteke and Pato does not mind lack of 1st team chances (very much like Barcelona pursuit of Rvp) , does it now make the Pato pursuit more logical?

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{Ed001's Note - I take it you have not seen him play, nor know what his attitude is like or how rarely he bothers to turn up to training, particularly without a hangover. He is dreadful, lazy, and injury prone. There is absolutely no sense in signing the lame duck.}

08 Nov 2015 05:51:04
He has not succumb to his injury prone nature in two seasons.

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{Ed001's Note - he missed the last few games through injury.}

08 Nov 2015 01:19:31
Question for the eds and anyone who cares to post. Who are the 5 best current players in the world? There is always lots of banter on here about "what's this player like". " nah he's average". etc. Just interested who you guys rate?

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{Ed001's Note - two are obvious, the strutting peacock and the poison dwarf, or Ronaldo and Messi as they are known. Muller and Lewandowski have stood out this season as top class players. David Silva has a great case to be included in the top 5, he made Man City tick while fit.}

08 Nov 2015 04:42:51
No Suarez? Unbelievable.

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08 Nov 2015 06:49:21
Despite how good Muller and Lewandowski have have been, I still rate Suarez ahead of them both. And Neymar.

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{Ed001's Note - he said current, Suarez has not been at his best this season yet. He has still been probably 6th or 7th best player in the world, but no way has he even been close to Muller this season. Muller has been special.}

08 Nov 2015 07:54:03
But isn't there a slight difference between 'current' and 'on form'?

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{Ed001's Note - not in this context. Currently those are the players playing the best football, because they are currently on form.}

08 Nov 2015 13:08:18
Vardy and ighalo and marhez must be up there then if this season is all that matters.

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08 Nov 2015 13:27:40
Maybe Alexis Sanchez deserves to be in there ed? But Vardy and Ighalo can't because they have been good for 10 games. Give team a chance to figure them out and you will then find if they are as good as their current form suggests.

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08 Nov 2015 15:45:35
Roy Hodgson is "currently" the best national team manager by the same token.

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{Ed001's Note - there is a lot more to it. Vardy etc have been playing well, but not to the level of the really top players. Sanchez as well has not been at his absolute best. Hodgson's England have won games, but they still look crap and on the verge of coming unstuck. Aubemayeng would be way ahead of Vardy, for instance.}

08 Nov 2015 00:08:37
Hi eds, curious to hear who you think have been our best performing players this season so far?

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{Ed001's Note - difficult question, since getting back into the team, Sakho and Lucas have stood out, in most games. In terms of improved performances, Moreno and Mignolet have looked a step ahead of where they were last season. Have to say, since the arrival of Klopp, Skrtel's game has improved on a game by game basis too.}

08 Nov 2015 08:15:48
Everything under Klopp seems a lot more controlled, the players know there jobs and there strengths and play to it.

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08 Nov 2015 08:27:17
Wow Ed01 Its mind blowing you think Skrtels playing well! Klopp must be a magician! I never thought you would say that lol.

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{Ed001's Note - I am happy to give credit where it is due. He has improved immensely.}

08 Nov 2015 12:33:37
Personally I think all have improved except milner he started well and faded.

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08 Nov 2015 01:16:54
Looking over the first four weeks Klopp and his team have had with the squad. We can obviously see the team improvement and the individual player improvement (Benteke, Can and Lucas) and overall the defence.
My question is, how much do you think Henderson can improve under our new management?
Slowly improved under King Kenny. Groomed into club captain under Rodgers and now the potential under Klopp. Very much looking forward to his progression.

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{Ed007's Note - 38.2%, what about you, out of 10 what would you rate his chances at?}

08 Nov 2015 04:30:46
Groomed by BR? You must be joking. BR wanted shot of him in favor of Allen. BR gets no credit for Hendo's development. He fought his way back to the point of BR not being able to play his system or lack thereof, without him.

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08 Nov 2015 04:46:17
I will think another 10-15% at most for Henderson. Good work rate, above average vision but not extremely quick nor tricky in his dribbles if at all.

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08 Nov 2015 06:02:16
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Rodgers want to swap Henderson for Dempsey?

Sure I remember this.

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08 Nov 2015 08:48:24
Just shows how clueless and deluded BR was as manager. Desperate times for desperate measures.

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{Ed002's Note - That would be the same for the fans here then - who pretty much to a man spent more than a year demanding Liverpool got rid of Henderson. It is like a joke reading a lot of these posts.}

08 Nov 2015 09:17:47
Yep deluded just like that.

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08 Nov 2015 12:20:59
BR changed his mind on Hendo, he gets credit for that. And for overseeing his development into an England regular.

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08 Nov 2015 13:19:13
1 month under Klopp and Jordan Ibe is slowly getting back to his devastating play which those who followed the u-21s on a regular basis knew Ibe had in him. watch Henderson take a huge step in his development under Klopp and reach another level.

Sterling is doing well for City under a competent manager who uses him right? Brendan almost ruined the kid playing him RWB, LWB, ST, RW, basically anywhere apart from his best positions! I am sorry but BR tried to reinvent the wheel and failed.

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08 Nov 2015 14:17:41
a lot of us wanted hendo gone me included and i have to give the lad a lot of credit he worked hard and fought his way back into the team, so much so that when we finished 2nd he missed a game or 2 and we felt his absence, if he would have played we would have had a better chance of winning the prem that season, i hold my hand up to say i was wrong and i'm glad he stayed with us, i am too looking forward to see hendo improve under klopp, i hope he does not miss too many games for us in the future,

Br tried to do what the special one did and play players out of position, but BR was so deluded because he thought he was has good as the special one when in fact he is no where near as good as him

im just glad that we have klopp as our manager because with him as our manager we will win more things than we would have done with BR as our manager.

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