Liverpool Banter Archive June 07 2014

07 Jun 2014 23:24:38
Eds,

Do you know what Liverpool's intentions are with the following up on the reported Shaqiri interest and where, if the interest is real he stands in the pecking order of desired targets, is he seen as an alternative to Lallana and if so have we moved on from Lallana?

I just hope we aren't stuck in limbo between the two (or more) not really making any inroads with alternatives alongside refusing to meet the valuation of a player.

I personally would like both as I see them as different player types, if we got them, Moreno a new CB and kept suarez I think this would have been the besy transfer window for years!

{Ed002's Note - There is interest in Shaqiri but I cannot say where he is on some list or other.}

Iturbe of Verona would be another option

07 Jun 2014 22:23:19
Sizemick,

fantastic post you put on our site today.

Loved it. Respect mate.

08 Jun 2014 10:25:25
Thanks Dags

If its karajokee night, it's going to be a long haul. I can picture the scene, you boys giving it both barrels on stage when after a loud screeching of tyres from his TR7 entering the car park, the saloon doors burst open and there stands Ed0025 . shades, flip-flops and southern comfort in hand with the other draped around a gusshing and delightful Jenny Taylor who is holding a fig leaf in place to cover his modesty . Parteeeee.

I sell bondage gear for a living Dags, and if I wasn't so tied up work wise i, d get over there and join the fun meself mate.

Have a top day/night.

Respect and Kind Regards

YNWA

07 Jun 2014 21:27:51
Hi end do you expect real to include morata or Jese in the offer for Suarez.

{Ed002's Note - I have no expectations but if they offer a player it won't be Jese.}

Jese`s injured. Ligament damage and out for several months.

07 Jun 2014 22:19:54
Thanks for the reply ed. Wouldn't want Suarez to go but if he did I would like to see varane included in the deal then with the cash go for Sanchez. Then out of our budget get shaqiri and moreno.

There is absolutely zero chance of varane being involved in the deal. It would be nice but really there are clubs eager to sign him for big money. We would be better holding out for a bid of £90M+ and then go and spend that on the players we have a realistic chance of signing e.g. lallana, shaqiri and a couple of defenders.

07 Jun 2014 20:25:34
Seen a fair few posts saying that suarez will leave because of the money we are spending. Well with the money coming in from sales we won't have spent insanely big and of we knew suarez was to leave surely we would be targeting players like Sanchez. It's just my opinion everyone and I would like to know what everyone else thinks:)

I don't think the money being spent atm is relsted to Saurez at all. can't see Lambert being his replacement. The other players linked are for positions needed. I don't actually think saurez will go this year but if he did i'd be looking for a sanchez, cavani, higuin type replacement.

When have Liverpool not spent money when needed?

And how much have we actually spent? 14m for Lambert and Can. Suarez isn`t going anywhere because teams will not be able to match our evaluation IMO. In fact, one of the Eds said the exat same thing.

07 Jun 2014 20:00:30
Hi ed
Any information regarding future of Enrique is he leaving if so any clubs interested in him.

{Ed002's Note - UTSF.}

Southampton and sunderland

07 Jun 2014 20:39:55
Scousepil

Behave mate. Enrique hasn't played a game since 6 months. and suddenly you have two clubs interested.

Except there are clubs interested Harry. Southampton may look to him if they lose Shaw.

08 Jun 2014 08:47:14
hh. Saints to replace Shaw with an injured poor Enrique?

{Ed002's Note - Southampton have been looking at someone else.}

07 Jun 2014 19:39:36
With the players coming in, Can, Lambert, and the signings expected moreno, one of Lallana/Shaquari. Can we expect more numbers with which to bolster the squad with?
As with the players left or expected to go Moses, Cissoko, Aspas and possibles such as Lucus, Agger, Borini, Enrique to go although the players coming in are of a better standard we could potentially still be leaving ourselves short numbers wise.

07 Jun 2014 18:23:39
hi eds/all its looking like Suarez will leave, and if he does he won't leave with out Liverpool getting a hell of a lot of money. no doubt most of the fans will be up in arms and I for 1 will be very sad to see him go, but what can we do only what we have done many times before we get another top lad in that will do the business, e.g when Keegan left we got kk in and when we where all distraught when are beloved torres was leaving who came along Suarez.so let's all keep calm cause I bet we will get a new top lad in r 2 and we will be fine. fifa won't be on are backs with there ffpr we will be still up top and in champs lge where back now and although suarez has been a big part of getting us there he has not been the whole part.and if it happens it will happen cause suarez will want it that way, so let's not get on br ayre fsg backs over it, we will have to listen to enough she*p from other clubs fans.but it won't be the end of the world as we have seen before.

My concernif Saurez does leave is how will the money be reinvested? ie are we going to go out and buy a 'Superstar' or follow what spurs done and spread it over 6 or 7 players?

Phil imo there ain't to many superstars out there and if luis goes that will be 1 of them, if he goes hopefully br spends what money he gets on 2r3 at the most top players not aload of cheaper signings, if I had the cash carvalho, varne, lukaku imo they would be great replacements if suarez goes only imo.

Barkley and Sanchez or Cavani? Should be able to afford 2 out of the 3 with the kind of money we could command for Saurez.

07 Jun 2014 18:13:34
Hy Ed2
I m going mad by reading news in media everyday. Everyday they link us with new ppl. I m tired of it.
I just want to know do u expect any deals completed before world cup or we have to wait until wc to finish.
Plz do reply
ur response will be appreciated.
Thanxxxxx

{Ed002's Note - ICAQAT.}

08 Jun 2014 10:24:16
ICAQAT = ''I cannot answer questions about timing.'' ~ Ed002

Ed002 is not on the transfer committee, he's not inside the front pocket of Ian Ayre's satchel bag (you know he has one), like a marsupial and it's young.

07 Jun 2014 17:40:21
Why do newspapers and news websites report what the others write can they not find their own stories, everywhere I looked today it was saying Shaqiri going to Liverpool and then you read on and they all say according to the daily star. Is it just lazy journalists or is it a case of why buy their papers or visit their websites when we'll tell you what they're sayiny anyway an 99 percent of it is all just recycled trash anyway. Is there any good sports journalists out there?

{Ed002's Note - It is simply one story being picked up and reused. Unfortunately, many of the fans see this as the re-enforcement of it being correct information.}

07 Jun 2014 17:06:20
Which centre halves do people will think will leave this summer?

I think another centre half will arrive this window whether it be Lovren or another. I'd favour the below.

Staying.
Lovren (or another).
Sahko.
Ilori.
Skrtle or Agger.

Leaving.
Agger or Skrtle.
Toure.
Coates.

Could be an outside chance both Agger and Skrtle will leave.

I can bet Ed001's hair that toure will not leave (whatever small amount he has

07 Jun 2014 15:41:07
hi eds and reds

just reading a few posts and I think the reason we never won the prem was because of our defence, they made errors through out the season and GJ went missing in games, our attack scored over a 100 goals, could they have done any more I don't think so, our midfield was ok but in defending is where we let our selves down, but it is a learning lesson for the young players and hopefully we can get some quality in the areas where we are weak, that's both wing backs, and a def - mid, but I think Can will do a job there for us, he had a good season last season and played in most if not all the games so its if he gels and settles into the prem with our team, I think Can is a good buy, he is young and will be hungry and ready to show what he can do, because no matter what the Liverpool brand is still as big as it ever was

07 Jun 2014 15:49:37
Can would do more than good for us. He would easily get games in our side.

07 Jun 2014 16:47:20
Wow - if only BR knew we had let in too many goals this season.

Fact is, in the end it came down to one game, a game we didn't actually need to win. The Chelsea home game - simple. The fact we had conceded so many goals, a lot by individual errors meant nothing really.

One game, one result.

07 Jun 2014 16:52:48
Would have to disagree. Bpl is a marathon and not a sprint. What about losing to hull, drawing with 10 man newcastle? Drawing 2-2 with villa or drawing with west brom?

One Game, what the home loss to Southampton? The away loss to Hull? the draws with WBA and Palace?
Thats a possible 10 points, and then the Chelsea game is irrelevant.
And Harry, you described Can as a CDM, and you think he's going to get games easy, are you seeing him instead of gerrard then?
I see him more of a left sided player myself? but then where will Shaquiri or Lalana go.

It beggars belief how clueless some posts can be. For the LAST time like John B said, we didn`t lose the prem on goal difference. We lost it by the unfortunate mistake in the Chelsea loss. End of story! The defence needs some work but it was NOT the reason we lost the league. If we had won our last 3 games 4-3, we would have won the league with the worst defence for a PL winner in history and NOBODY would have cared.

John B, we could have afforded to lose against chelsea if we defended better where we would have matched and even beat Man city on goal difference.

We lost matches on mistakes and poor marking e.g. West brom - Kolo Mistake, Everton at goodison park and that abymissal Hull match (still trying to forget).
Also we made soo many matches closer than it should be and won by the skin of our teeth - swansea 4-3, fulham 3-2, stoke 5-3 etc.

In some of the matches, the blame lies to our Mildfielders and our left/right backs for pushing too forward exposing tons of space.

07 Jun 2014 17:35:26
Where we ended up in the league is not because of one result, but the culmination of every match. For every 'if' you highlight, City also have their fair share of 'ifs' and 'buts'.

I would not change a single thing for a single result. If we were more secure at the back (a la Chelsea), we may have sacrificed our attacking potency that launched us into the title race.

Conjecturing on what has passed will only making you seem bitter. Instead we should be looking to rectify these mistakes and alter our system.

There is no single event or game that meant we lost the league.

John B, your post is contradictory, you say it came down to one game, a game we didn't need to win, so let's say we drew it, we would have still lost the league wouldn't we!

No, it is not. John B made simple conclusion that at that moment of the season, we needed a tie or win to remain in control and then the mistake happened. From that moment, we were chasing a seemingly lost cause (trying to score 9 goals or more against CP and Newcastle which was a pipe dream). If we don`t lose the Chelsea game, we`re in control. Simple as that. We might have lost the league afterwards BUT at that point, that was the situation. Regardless of what happened or didn`t happen before that game, that was the state of affairs. Our leaky defence had nothing to do with it because we would have been ahead of City by either 1 or 4 points by not losing the Chelsea game. Red Till I`m Dead!

07 Jun 2014 22:31:59
No Alan we probably wouldn't - I say it came down to one game because losing that game meant we were out of it, what went before meant naff all - loss here, draw there - if we had not lost to Chelsea - the Palace and Newcastle games " should " have both been winnable, as it was still in our hands - it always comes down to the games at the business end of the season, and sadly we lacked tactical nous against Chelsea, a game I say again - we didn't need to win, we just couldn't afford to lose it.

Johnb and redohio, you can't have it both ways and make a statement that it came down to 1 game and then say well we would still be in control of the situation, the situation being that we had games left that we subsequently didn't get the points we needed to win the league, so then those games would have had to have a different outcome for us to win the league, therefore it didn't depend on 1 game. john I get your point mate but maybe your post should have been worded a little differently.

Johnb, just to clarify, I wasn't referring to any games/results prior to the chelsea game, just the results after the chelsea game.

Completely agree John B, it all came down to the chelsea game. I was the only one who had seemingly realised the importance of the game, while everyone else was still on a high from the city game, acting like the league was already won.

If it had reached half time 0-0, I don't think we would have been so naive to go all out and attack. It all came down to that one slip from gerrard, after that, the game was sealed, barring a miracle, but we had had our fair share of those and our luck had run out.

I think what John b means is we knew what we needed to do in that game against Chelsea. We could see the finish line and we had it in our hands at that point. It's easy to criticise and say what about this game and that game but if we say that what's the point of talking about it we should just say why didn't we win every game? We dropped silly points this season but so did city and I bet they couldn't care less now and we wouldn't if we had won the league.

By that rationale of saying it was one game you could also say it was one players fault. Which is obviously ridiculous. If we'd won the games against Southampton, Hull, West brom, Everton then Chelsea couldve beaten us 6-0 and our would have been irrelevant. Our season did not hinge on one game

07 Jun 2014 12:25:44
Hey Ed002

I no your sick of constantly having to explain about transfers, But all i'm looking for is yes or no answer if its appropriate please. Thank you.

Alberto Moreno - the player is happy to move to LFC, We have made an offer that Seville are happy with. So far that is as it stands.

Shaquiri - There is interest from LFC but as of yet no offer has been made as the focas is elsewhere.

Lallana - There is interest but LFC have not offered an acceptable sum for the player.

Fabregas - No interest, No offer.

Rickie lambert is a LFC player who will be registered July 1st.

Emre Can is a LFC player to be registered July 1st.

Is that everything as it stands right now.

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - All of this has been explained. RTP.}

Spot on, John B!
It all came down to the Chelsea game.
We set out to win it when we didn't need to and after two minutes of it, it was über apparent that Chelsea weren't going all out on the attack to win, but were hoping and waiting for a mistake that came.

But we still went balls out for the win! That was naive.

The rest of you can go on about it being a marathon, not a sprint AND the games we lost against Hull and Southampton etc, but all that was immaterial at the time; we were 5 points ahead with three games to go before the start of the Chelsea game.

So well said John B!

If you can`t win a game, for God`s sake DON~T lose it especially if you don`t need to win it. BR had better learn this harsh lesson.

07 Jun 2014 12:16:13
Why I do not think we will sign Lallana is because we have been priced out i.e. going over our budget. You can be rest assured that FSG would have worked out where the line needs to be draw as the last thing they want is UEFA stepping in and destroying all the hard work Rodgers has done by getting us back into the Champions League.

What also needs to be understood is that If we did ever sign Lallana and it ended up like the Carroll deal then Rodgers will take the hit.

07 Jun 2014 11:12:40
Hi eds,

If the reported shaquiri deal is close (not saying it is or not), would interest in lallana be dropped or are the club looking to sign both players?

Thanks

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

07 Jun 2014 07:38:17
Ed thanks for all the info your doing a cracking job

Any nibbles on a back up keeper not seen much in that department
Lastly how many players in your opinion are we going to sign if it keeps on as is, could it be as many as 6 or 7

{Ed002's Note - Nothing on a GK. Suggesting number leads to abuse.}

07 Jun 2014 10:26:03
Rodgers said after the signing of Can that he is not half way through his list yet.

I believe we will make another 3 signings but not more than 4.

1 x left back, 1 x centre back and 1 or 2 forwards.

{Ed002's Note - No Lallana or Shaqiri then.}

Shaqiri could be one of the forwards.

Whether FSG will be willing to take a big risk on Lallana we shall see.

Allegedly we are close or have bid for/signed the following players.

Lambert, Can, Moreno, Lallana, Lovren, Shaqiri

That's about 90m boys. Suarez will be leaving as we ain't got that money to spend. We are also improving the contracts of a number of players and sales of Reina, Assaidi, Agger, Aspas, Coady, Robinson only raises 25m tops. (Doubt there will be buyers for Coates & Enrique). Our "budget" taking everything into account would have been c35-40m. There's a big black hole here and I think I know how it's going to be filled!

07 Jun 2014 01:25:20
Hey Eds, just curious to know. have any one of you are from or have ever lived in Australia for any period of time? that's where i'm from and i'm wondering if any of you guys have an connections or history down there, thanks guys

{Ed002's Note - I am from the USA originally but have not lived there for a long time. Other Eds are from various places.}

I have family over there. They've just had a baby about 7 hours ago actually :) one of my best mates is half Oz as well. As soon as I'm 25 and I've finished my degree I'm coming straight over there to live! I ain't afraid of Spider, fool!

Got room in your suitcase EMS?

Try NZ instead
Much friendlier. no dangerous spiders, snakes, crocs or Aussies

Interestingly, a friend of mine who has lived in both of these countries says the same thing. He says the kiwis are much more laid back and friendlier.

Australia is a great place, it's just a shame it's full of Australians. Perhaps I'm lucky, but every Kiwi I've ever met was extremely nice.

I lived in NZ for 2 years went to play football in Wanganui and then Auckland. That was in 1984 -6. Still miss it, what a beautiful amazing country. Great climate, great people and a fantastic way of life over there, very laid back Would be back over there to live in a flash. Going back to see my daughter who was born and lives there in 2016.

07 Jun 2014 19:04:32
i am an Australian but I currently live in Canada. I hear what you say about Australians. that's one of the reasons i'm not there. but you can't come to that kind of conclusion because of a small minority. i've been jumped in london, held up in america and some mug trid to steal my wallet in Liverpool until I talked him out of it! there are plenty of great places to live in most countries, you just need to find them

07 Jun 2014 03:06:21
Do anyone think Sami might use his connections at Liverpool and take a few youngsters on loan for Brighton? I think they would be the perfect club for players like Ibe and Wisdom? Just my opinion cheers eds

I'd like him to take Teixera and if possible Ibe.

They could also buy if possible for them players such as Coady or Robinson.

His first move might be to move his stuff into the office. Or maybe even moving house?

Then he might meet some of the playing staff?

Can you take more than one player from a club?

I could be wrong but I thought it could only be one player.

{Ed002's Note - There are different rules for the Football League compared to the Premier League - from memory the match day squad is limited to five of which four can be from one club.}

I want Ibe to stay and fight for a places, I can see goods things from him n sterling and coutinho in the middle

07 Jun 2014 00:48:35
It is sad to see a number of posters with criticising the purchase of Emre Can, often based on having watched a couple of Leverkausan matches or a highlight reel on youtube.
Try to bear in mind that new players are researched by experts, watched at length by experienced scouts and agreed on by a committee with a way greater knowledge of the game than we have. In addition to the players' ability is whether they are able to fit in with the current team set-up and philosophy; whether they could adapt to PL football; whether they could settle in England with its weather, traditions and politics; as well as a multitude of other risk-assessment factors to see if the new transfer is going to be successful.
Having grown up with Liverpool in the 80's, when we were renowned for having one of the best group of supporters in the world, I find it a shame that we can't give every new recruit the opportunity to prove himself. Instead, people believe they know better than the experts and professionals at the club because they have done their scouting 'research' on the net.
We re all entitled to our opinion, of course, but let's not forget recent judgements on Lucas and Hendo and get behind our new recruits and give the a chance to prove themselves before criticising them.

I have no problem with people commenting on a players ability, whether it be positive or negative. It gives the fans who don't know much about the player an idea of how capable the player is.

I am sure the same fans will get behind the new signings when they put on the red shirt. Like you say, everyone is entitled to an opinion and to be fair I have heard a lot more positives than negatives regarding Emre Can.

Red Rum

07 Jun 2014 08:29:59
I agree with you atleast to a certain extend.

I believe critisism always have to be based on knowledge not assumptions. I and I do think some people are very quick to jump to conclusions on an unlit background and that their critisism is over the top.

But I can't see the problem about constructive critisism, having opinions and/or a certain amount of reservations as long as it doesn't turn into a Lucas-Leiva-scenario, you don't bad mouth the player, doesn't make it personal and go to twitter and tell the guy and as long as you are 100 percent behind all players on match day. I think it is completely normal and part of the joy and sorrow of being a pasionate football fan to discus the quality of players, their performances, attitude etc. internally and externally.

But regarding Can, even though he never stood out in the limited amount of matches i've seen with him i'm somehow exited about this transfer. Think he could turn out to be a huge addition if not this year then in the coming years. We certainly need to give him time! Young and relatively inexpirienced.

I have watched enough matches of emre can to know he isn't better than lucas

I think he will prove to be a really good buy! He is versatile and young and passes the ball when he should!
Have not seen loads of him but he has a very good reputation it seems

German under 21 captain can't be that bad now can he it depends on attitude a lot of the time with Rogers perfect example is Shelvey vs Henderson Rogers gave them a you won't play every game you'll have to fight speech and Shelvey left for game time were as Hendo stayed a fought fir his place so if Can is willing to work hard with the right attitude I think he will make it no problem

07 Jun 2014 11:04:23
I'm with dezy on this one. Can knows that he will have to fight for his spot in the team and by the fact that he has left a Champion's League starting XI to join our squad shows determination. People may say that he has come for the money but he could have got much more at Bayern Munich when he returned next season.

I would be happy to welcome can to the Liverpool family, but the truth is he is not good enough and will be sold in 1 or 2 years time for profit

Tonkz99 he's only really going to be sold for a profit if he has improved on his current abilities. Which means he will get even better. While playing for us. Win-win

07 Jun 2014 17:52:05
Scousr-pride, he wasn't returning to Bayern next season mate. Re-read what Ed002 has said on this. BM don't see him as ready.

Aside from that, I like him and hope he does well.