Liverpool Banter Archive April 06 2012
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06 Apr 2012 23:07:25
eds do you think sterling or coady will get a cameo tomorow thanks {Ed001's Note - possibly.}
06 Apr 2012 23:03:09
Come on then lets have it....
Team for next season:
Reina, Johnson, Agger/Albiol, Skrtel, Enrique, Lucas, Granero, Gerrard, Pedro R, Soldado, Suarez
Oh and pleasw liverpool appoint a goalkeeping coach
My team for next season mate, if Luis leaves and we get the players.
Reina
Kelly/Isla Skrtel Agger Enrique
Ramirez Lucas Gerrard Tello
Ozil/Marin
Soldado
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
If we ever managed to get these players, i'd be in dream. But i'm affraid we are no longer an attractive team to quality players :(
Reina needs to lose weight he piled on the pounds and aint he keeper he used to be he knows he is 1 of the first names on the teamsheet
Its liverpool, we are the most sttractive team, stop talking sh*t
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Lucas Sissoko
Suarez Oezil Downing
Soldado
My team for next season mate, if Luis stays and we get the players.
First X1:
--------------Reina--------------
--Kelly--Skrtel--Agger--Enrique---
---------Lucas--Gerrard---------
---Suarez---Ramirez----Muniain--
-------------Soldado------------
Subs X1:
--------------Doni--------------
Flanagan-Coates-Sama-Robinson
-------Coady--Henderson------
-----Silva----Suso----Sterling--
------------Adorjan------------
KennyD JFT96
06 Apr 2012 22:54:26
We are crap, but we are playing an even worse team tomorrow, wonder what will happen??
Obviously it's a Carroll hat trick, a clean sheet and, wait for it, a WIN!!
OR
its what we all unfortunately think, usually crap as in the last games-- A LOSS
Bean
06 Apr 2012 22:46:54
Not a rumour but a question. If by any chance that Chelsea won the Champions League Cup and finished outside the top four in the Premier League,would the fourth placed side lose out of next seasons Champions League.
Thanks in advance.
Brilliant work being done by the Eds
Tafred {Ed002's Note - They would.}
Ed didnt we win it and finished 5th and got back in it?
big red john {Ed001's Note - yes.}
Very hypothetically speaking.... Chelsea beating Barca.... lol. Chelsea won't finish 4th either, will be Spuds or Newcastle.
06 Apr 2012 22:15:56
Team for 2mora, doin, Johnson (if fit) skrtel, agger (if fit) enrique, downing (right, Henderson, Gerrard, sterling, Carroll, Suarez
Downing is useless on the right, must play left. And Carroll and Suarez must keep playing together.
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Henderson
Bellamy Suarez Downing
Carroll
06 Apr 2012 22:06:44
Thank we might win a game tomorrow, I bet you that all the Kenny supports will be out in force when we do.
To be honest I cant believe that he is still here, and it looks like he can do whatever he wants and not get sacked.
We need a new manager ASAP,
No we dont, we need to get behind the team, and if kenny goes we support the new manager
Until they lose a few games then we slate them
Chris in Lichfield
A lichfieldian! Good lad. Anywhere near boley park?
Dirks Engine Room
06 Apr 2012 22:02:14
Does nobody see the irony in Maccas post? We will sign two players that will make a difference, Pat Butcher and Rosemary West would make a difference in that team and probably score more goals Miami_Red
Surley you men Terry Butcher and Traribo West :)
06 Apr 2012 21:57:35
So, Macca has stated that we will be signing 2 players from La Liga, who will make a difference?? Well at least we can narrow the shortlist to about 250 then!! I personally feel we need 4 players, Centre Half, Creative Central Midfielder, Right Winger and a Striker who can get 20 goals, whether that be Roberto Soldado or Jordan Rhodes, I don't care, but somebody has to put the chances away that we are creating. Additionally, I think we should get our business done early before the Euros when things start getting silly financially based on 1 performance by an average player. What does everyone else think? Thanks, GP29.
Need 4 players imo:
CM (Sissoko)
AM (Ozil)
RM (Philipps)
CF (Soldado)
06 Apr 2012 21:56:23
I for one am hoping that Newcastle steal 4th place. Especially after all the stick that Pardew took from the fans, he remained tight-lipped took all the abuse and let his management to all the talking and he's produced the goods what a classy guy! You have to take your hat off to the owner also he gets more abuse than Hitler and President Mugabe put together but never retorts and his signings and decisions have been vindicated. Its a friggin nonsense that they are so many points clear of us after the money we gave them for caroll we spent £100 mill and if my memory serves me correctly they havent spent all the £35 (wishful thinking) they got for caroll, if this is the case heads need to roll and im talking commoli here and not neccercarilly dalglish here. Commoli should have the courage of his convictions and say to kenny ive identified a better striker, winger, central midfielder cheaper than downing, caroll, adam, henderson and we need to go for them. If he's too weak to have an opinion in such an important role why the hell is he still in a job? Is he just a highly paid yes man?? Whats the point? And if indeed indeed these buys were Kenny's violition then im sorry kk your time is up. You cant squander that much money in this day and age in any proffesional sphere not produce results and expect to keep your job (and please dont tell me the carling cup counts as progress when most teams fielded weakened sides)
I apologise for my outburst, im usually not so emotive in my posts but seeing newcastle win today and going 14 points clear of us is the final straw. This situation has to change regardless of FA cup success. Football has moved on and unless your Barcelona who are so outrageously gifted that Stevie Wonder would win with him as their manager your teams need to play with tactical nous and the only three men I would propose are Baisla, Pellegrinni and our very own Rafa! We are playing like a bunch of friggin retards at the moment with no direction or savvy 'pass and move my arse' more like 'pass and boob'...Yes Rafa played some mind numbing football sometimes but you dont score 100 goals in a season by playing unnatractive defensively. Rafa would have made us champions with a £100 mill. End of rant Im going to the beach the suns out...Miami_Red
You do make some valid point's!
Lol pass and boob
Have a bit more patience mate- we are not too far from turning it around.
We're as far as we have been in the last 5 years mate, my patience is wearing thin.
Sorry guys have calmed down a little and not so irate as I was but believe in my original post...Pass and boob quite proud of than one! Miami Red
06 Apr 2012 21:44:19
fully expected sebastian leto and besian idrizaj to make it here. any info on how they're currently doing?
Mate, Besian Idrizaj died in 2010 while playing for Swansea
R.I.P Besian
Y.N.W.A
Dano
Mate Besian Idrizaj passed away a year or two ago. Tragic, that was. Was at Swansea at the time I believe, cardiac arrest in his sleep. I do hear Leto is doing OK in Greece- Panathinaikos I think.
DP
06 Apr 2012 21:41:29
is kenny going to play carroll at the semifinal or is he going to run him in the grand national ?
33s for the national, get on each way and if he's a non runner and players at Wembley you get your money back
Do bit stupid he cant run, any better than he can play football.
06 Apr 2012 21:37:57
i hope we dont get rid of any of the signings we have made,they should all be given another season,it takes time to settle in,especially going to a bigger club,look at players like collochini at newcastle,ronaldo,evra and vidic at utd,none of these set the world alight in their first seasons at their new clubs,get behind the team at all times,it cant be easy going onto the pitch knowing the crowd are gonna be groaning at your first unintentional mistake.too many fans re like kids of today who want everything NOW,if it comes easy its not worth as much,i honestly think carrol and henderson will come good,imagine being 21 under that pressure,you need people to back you not attack you,we are liverpool,remember that....rob b
I have no doubts these clowns will stay for the remainder of their contracts Rob who else is gonna be stupid enough to by them?? Miami_Red
Bit harsh pal,pricetag is not their fault at all,spurs were in at 25 mil for carrol and henderson is england u21 captain,ffs give them time,rob b
Us**ted wanted henderson aswell and hes young with huge potential at the end of the day we are going the right way signing potential but we need a few world class players aswell.
Hand on your heart arent you gutted that spurs werent successfull with their bid? 35 million would have got us Cavani or Soldado and change foe Affellly! MIAMI_RED
Carroll probably would have been the dog's b****cks in that Spurs team. Like I've said before we've got a knack of buying good promising players and turning them s**te!
MidlandRed
When will some of you planks realise that a) we cant pay wages of 200k a week (Aguero/Cavani and co.) and b) maybe the players dont want to come to LFC?
There is a huge diff between Carroll at 35m and Aguero at 35m by their wages.
Is it so difficult to grasp?
06 Apr 2012 21:36:22
me and me lad are going to the game tomoz and gunna sing shout for our club com on liverpool win lose or draw.lets keep cheering on the team it,s the liverpool way.6-1
Good on you mate
06 Apr 2012 21:35:25
john terry is still playing with 2 cracked ribs yet daniel "sicknote" agger has been out for 6 weeks with 1 cracked rib. too many softees in liverpool team happy to lye about and lift big wages for doing very little.grow a set agger !
Because John Terry picks the Chelsea, starting 11 mate. He isn't going to leave himself on the bench, is he?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
It would depend on severity of injury if it wasn't to bad u could play & only feel pain if it was made contact with. If it is severe just breathing is a task let alone play football, They must have JT pumped up with drugs.
Espur
Agger has broken ribs. John terry has cracked ribs.
Depends which ribs they are. The higher up the rib cage, the more painful it is.
No getting round his injuries, but if you think Agger's happy at being sidelined by broken ribs then you're a fool.
Wish people would have a bit more respect for the players- when fit he's been our best defender- I just hope he doesn't read your post.
06 Apr 2012 21:35:09
I now a lot us are disappointed at some of the signings made and feel other clubs like Newcastle have made better signings but there is one significant difference Expectation.
At Newcastle ,Everton ,Swansea, Sunderland fans support new signings and their expectancy are not to get 4th place or be the next KK, Barnes ,Souness.I have been to a few games and we are so negative and rather then get them behind our players and give them the confidence to play we make them nervous and too aware of our criticism .
The Liverpool way before was we would sign a player and put them in reserves for a season then they would appear we would clap them on and off .The game has changed, players are sold for stupid amounts thanks to the amount of sky money and sugar daddies .Fans have changed we expect immediate success .
Our club has gone through 3 managers in 2 years 3 different styles of play and 3 different types of man-management.This season we have seen some of the best football in a while the passing has been crisp and fast could do with committing more players in the box but the Arsenal game we out passed them and we are one of the few clubs who managed to pass as well as swansea when we played them.
Yes things have gone bad recently but we have not been good enough for 20 years had great players but never a great team where as i am happy to support my team and if 20 years waiting for a team to challenge is not enough 1 more year for KK is nothing for me.
Personally i dont want us to get CL qualification if we are not good enough to secure it year in year out and not just buying every player that has the MOTD moment.
Lets get behind our team at Anfield and clap them when they miss place passes but try and give them our full support if then they do not improve then its up to KK or new manager to do whats right.
Moroccan red
Great post pal,rob b
06 Apr 2012 21:28:27
if Gerrard has a issue staying in DM position. Why doesn't he play on RW. Dowing LW.
Spearing, Adams, Henderson, shelvey center.
If you play 4 cm's it turns out to be 2 cms and 2 more wingers.
BthekingB
06 Apr 2012 21:23:28
i think because macca said the players will make a diffrence one is a striker who can score goals (soldado) and the other a winger or a creative midfielder (ozil or tello) hope it happens and hope some of the dead wood go, thoughts eds?
There is no way we will get Ozil. Tello is a starter on Barcelona. Why would they sell? Why would he leave??? Soldado is possible because Valencia have a history of selling their assets, but at high priced
I actually think its munian
Tello starts? Who knew
Think its martinez and soldado tbh both are players who we could persuade to sign.
KingMiz
06 Apr 2012 21:19:04
just read about carroll swearing at dalglish and he wants to get some respect , dalglish is a liverpool legend and hes a greasy haired tw*t who is crap at football and isnt good enough to were the red jersey
The can both go for me. The only way we are going to get anywhere is with Raffa back. Until then we are a mid table, micky mouse cup team at best.
In raffa we trust
06 Apr 2012 21:17:58
If, god forbid, the owners do decide to replace Kenny, there can only be one candidate.
Ozone
Graham Taylor losing his cool with the lack of service to Les Ferdinand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOVsji5dL-k#
Been out of the game for too long and would struggle to attract top players
It's was a joke mate.
Ozone
Graham Taylor:
".....Plaaatttyyyy....."
06 Apr 2012 21:16:35
chances of a suarez and soldado partnership next season. That would surely fire us into champions league qualification in style lads
06 Apr 2012 21:01:34
Macca said the two players we are going to sign will make a difference so it would only make sense if one was a goal scoring striker and a creative midfielder. So for me the two are Lornette (bilbalo) and MArtinez. Spelling)
Martinez is a dm/cb, not a creative midfielder ...
Joshlfc
You're in dreamland mate. It won't be Martinez & I don't think it's Llorente either.
The Irish Rover
Maybe its soldado n muniain.
Indian Buzzer
06 Apr 2012 20:52:35
Comolli: Since January 11, we have signed nine first-team players and we are very pleased with the way it went. This is a long term rebuilding project. We didn't sign players for six months, but for a long period of time as we know they will keep improving.
Liverpool FC Director of Football Damien Comolli Feels Club is Headed in Right Direction, Excited to
www.nesn.com
06 Apr 2012 20:12:12
Hey Macca, what do you think about Carroll staying?
Can't believe you actually think this is a question!
I think Carroll takes the piss out of the club and can't believe they let him get away with it..
If he continues like this he will regret it for the rest of his football career..
He good be a top player if he knuckled down and trained properly rather than just doing enough.
Maybe being more interested in going out is acceptable for us mere mortals but if I was in his postion I would do that after football..
Rant over
Cheers
Macca
Hes a flippin donkey and that should be enough for kenny and him to go, thankyou ver much. RedTurk
Why on earth did we spend £35 mil on such a risk of a player? Absolutely crazy. The 8th most expensive player ever is a clubbing, unprofessional, woman beating alcoholic. And he's our no. 9 walking in the footsteps of Rush, Fowler, Aldridge, Torres. Pathetic.
Ash
Macca, what about Suarez. Is he likely to leave this summer?
PJRED
Nail on the head for me. Think Carroll could be a top player if he actual had some desire to be one. He simply doesn't have the self-motivation needed to become what he could be and he will definitely end up regretting it someday. For me, Henderson is a good model- I think he trains hard, works hard, and could someday be an amazing player.
RDL
Guess we do have our own balotelli huh?
Kaizer
06 Apr 2012 19:56:36
I used to come here not everyday but quite often
Enjoyed the banter
Always liked reading Ed002 even when I did not agree with her which was not very often, she was always intelligent and articulate in her writings
Also enjoyed reading Bob the Red, Dave the Butcher and many others too many to list.
However I cannot help but read the anti Gerrard posts when I view this page (they just seem to stick out for some reason) hope they are just endemic of the twitter generation. Whatever about younger fans not getting Kenny as they were not around in his time not to get Gerrard is hard to fathom.
As this is my last post I would like to thank all who replied to my postings whether replies were good, bad or indifferent.
Best of Luck to all
A big thanks to Ed002 although I was never abusive to you I am sure you could have barred me at some stage or other but you put up with it.
Thanks,
666
dark shadow
Jonny Rutten
{Ed002's Note - I could still ban you know if it is street cred with your posse that you are after. Many of the brothers are after that sort of kudos in these happing times.}
Freedom of speech ed
Freedom not granted.
06 Apr 2012 19:55:36
watching st pats v shamrock rovers its 3-0 to pats 42nd min as i speak,the young lad forrester has just scored a world class goal if messi scored it it would be on sky sports news for a week the lad must be 18/19 max we shud defo be looking at players like this cheap as chips and pure quality i reckon he'll be snapped up,eds do u know if we have scouts here in ireland?..#1983#..
I think Kenny's man in Ireland is Pat Devlin. I'm would curious to know if he was looking at James McClean when he was at Derry and where was the Rovers keeper for the fifth goal :)
They do his name is Tony O'Donnell, Bray wanderers pat Devlin spent 6 years as scout 4 Liverpool under Dalglish/sounness & then was Irish scout at blackburn & Newcastle under Dalglish, Liverpool have a link with Bray & st josephs boys where players & coaches get to train at melwood, lvpool underage teams also take part in Hibernian cup.
Pat Devlin discovered damien Duff at st kevins boys for kenny its same club Ronnie whelan played for & most recently Alex O'hanlon was signed by lvpool from there, I'd imagine if kenny wanted an opinion on an Irish player pat Devlin would b sounded out.
Espur
06 Apr 2012 19:46:37
reckon you might appreciate a non-macca/non-spanish player post, so ed, any idea when the new kit will be unveiled? {Ed002's Note - Probably May.}
06 Apr 2012 19:27:42
After making extensive enquiries with my network of international contacts, I know a little bit more about the 2 la liga players Liverpool are buying who will really make a difference according to this ITK Macca geezer!
I have found out their first names, and although it's not that helpful because it is nigh on impossible to identify these players with this limited information, it just puts another piece in Macca's intriguing and mysterious puzzler.
You must keep it under your hats and not say a word, but their first names are Lionel and Cristiano, sorry I can't be more specific than that.
I am also told they would not immediately command a first team place at Liverpool, but would be ideal back-up for the brilliant Downing and Carroll when unavailable.
That's all I know, and I have no idea who these bad boys could be, but if you know of any players playing in la liga with these first names, perhaps we can unravel Macca's little teezer and find out who Liverpool are planning to buy!
Exciting or what!!
Eric Banterna x
Signing 2 la liga players? just like the inter milan player we were signing last year? what a joke
This Eric Banterna character has way too much time on his hands, what a sad individual.
With him having to much time on his hand's i'd suggest he should play with himself! but he'd finish in second's! And he's probably already done that about 5/6 time's today!
06 Apr 2012 18:54:06
i personally dont think suarez will leave, i think deep down he wants to repay the club for all the s**t he dropped us in
06 Apr 2012 18:52:38
Evening ed Iam not going to press u on who u think macca is referring to regarding two players from la liga we r supposedly interested in would just like to know though would these players be aware of our interest and if so would lfc have received feed back on whether the players our open to the move
Thanks kopman {Ed002's Note - I have no idea at all.}
06 Apr 2012 18:48:43
Its Good Friday this week and all thoughts over the Country will turn to that bloke with long Hair dying on the end of a cross......Happy Easter Andy Carrol!
He is not the Messiah , he's just a very naughty boy .
Qwerty
Not funny
Brian is the messiah
06 Apr 2012 18:36:13
Evening Eds and fellow reds . i think that the close season will give us a better understanding of the owners ,they said when they took over that we would be back where we belong in about 3 years. there will have to be big big changes then . because with the shambles we have now it would take 3 decades . cheers psv
06 Apr 2012 18:34:01
I just want to ask a question about the format of the site. About today Macca posted a rumour about the 2 li liga players that we are interested in. In the old days the page of Liverpool Rumours is spilt with pages so that we culd check the previous rumours. But now the function disappeared. So that what is a way now to find out the comment which spotted on about the Macca rumours at this time? Thanks Eds for the good work. {Ed002's Note - I don't understand the last sentence. Sorry.}
Search box is the exact function that youre looking for.
Nevada
I am the originial poster and thankfully I found out all the original postings by Macca came to this section so I could try to find out whose comment has nailed on. Anyway thanks Eds. {Ed002's Note - No problem.}
The poster again. Disappointed to find the comment section of the Macca Rumours being deleted or hidden so that I could not translate the whole rumour and the nailed-on comment to a Chinese Liverppol fans forum. I was a devoted fans who reports the most updated rumours to those members. Sad. {Ed002's Note - I can't account for how it looks on the Macca page but it can all be found on the "Rumours" page - or am I not understanding the issue that brings sadness to your heart?}
06 Apr 2012 18:33:34
"Downing is the very expensive elephant in the room, one which Dalglish refuses to acknowledge as the definition of his team's shortcomings - toothless, one-dimensional and mentally weak."
That quote was taken from not exactly the pinnacle of journalism.
Nevada
Hey that last post said goal dot com, why was that part edited?
Nevada {Ed002's Note - I imagine the spam, abus, nonsense blocker did it.}
That quote is out of order and disrespectful.........to elephants.
Rigsby.
Give it a rest, Downing is a very good player and i can guarantee you will see the real player we bought next season.
We may well be under performing but to Cain every player is getting tiresome.
If you were talking about carroll and henderson then spot on
06 Apr 2012 18:26:26
No chance of us getting 4th now with Newcaste 14 points ahead of us, Ah well, Bring on next season
How many times have we said that?
06 Apr 2012 18:25:33
I've been noticing over the last few weeks how this site has developed and divded into factions regarding statements and opinions on what's gone at LFC
To my mind came names of these 'groups' and what they seem to stand for.....
Bring Back Benitez Brigade or the (B.B.B.B)
These are people who want our former manager back for a second shot at Anfield. They want Kenny out and they want it now
Keep The Faith or the (K.T.F)
These are people who want Kenny to stay and have a chance to turn things around for at least 1 more season
The Kenny out, New man in group
These are people who want Kenny out also but don't want Benitez back either
On the fence
These are people who don't feel anything of the above ( though they are few and far between)
No name posters
These are the most irritating of the bunch and usually come out with the most outlandish,.rude and disrespectful, uninformed comments of the lot! They never sign their name and a lot of the time come out with pure irrelevance during a perfectly decent debate between other posters.
Gerrard Is Finished Association
These are people who feel that our captain is done for, burn out, pass it etc. They think he has become a liability
Just for the record......I would say I'm with the Keep The Faith lot
K. Bennett
Keith you should be ashamed to name the tosh you spout lad
{Ed002's Note - How do you know his name is Keith and not Kenny or Kaizer?}
Same here Bennett.
Kaizer {Ed002's Note - Spooky.}
Kenny out the special one in. Zaydan123
That was a prime example of the 'no name poster'! I do not speak tosh, I give my opinion get your facts straight please.
And in fact, my name is Kevin
K. Bennett
Gordon Bennett
Not everyone needs to leave a name, i don't understand why it is so important, i feel your post was fine and it merely stated facts about those who support lfc.
Some want kenny, some seem to hate him, some want rafa, some hate him, some like many of the players in our squad, yet some feel it fine to insult them and say they are not worthy of the blue square.
I personally think Kenny had the right idea in the player he purchased, we have gone off the boil recently, but add a couple of players and i think we will really see a good side, a little like we have seen in part this season
No one is saying we want kenny out now, just in the summer. :) or for him to get over his hype on English players. this is 2012 not the 70s n 80s
06 Apr 2012 18:24:58
OUTS
G.Johnson/injury prone
F.Aurelio/injury prone
J.Cole/wants out
M. Rodriguez/not good enough
D.Kuyt/know longer fits in to plans
My Personal List of Players
M.Isla
Y.M'vila OR J.Martinez
M.Badelj
M.Phillips
W.Zaha
J.Defoe OR G.Rossi OR D.Villa
Maxi not good enough ? bar suarez he has been the most consistently good performer under kenny
Don't understand why kenny do'snt use him more often?
06 Apr 2012 18:23:42
See what would happen if we had a half decent striker. Newcastle have been played of the park and still won. We would be up there now with a decent foreward.
Gaz b
Or even a decent forehead
06 Apr 2012 18:19:20
If only we had someone who has a good knowlegde of Football like they have at Newcastle...Oh wait we do Cisse Cabaye?? Comoli what are you doing
Is that the same Cabaye who tried to break Jay Spearing's leg at Anfield?
Red Owl
06 Apr 2012 18:17:20
In:
Mauricio Isla-£9m
Kevin Strootman-£11m
Mesut Ozil-£20m
Gaston Ramirez-£12m
Roberto Soldado-£18m
=£60m
06 Apr 2012 18:06:50
Why aren't we picking up some of these great ex-French based players that Newcastle are? Comolli should know that market inside out. Is it a case that Newcastle pay bigger wages....or that Comolli isn't that good....or did Kenny call all the shots last Summer?
-Shane.
That policy proved less than successful when we attempted it under Gerard Houllier.
Red Owl
Houllier did make some of the worst buys ever from france. His motives for buying some were very questionable, Jean Michelle Ferri anyone?
Nevada
OP, funny you should say this actually, theres a piece on the daily mail website about the turn around that Newcastle have made this season, its actually a good read.
Carb
06 Apr 2012 18:03:23
Anyone else noticed how a little more positive people's posts are each day after a defeat and especially the days before and on the next game.
Think I'll give this place a miss for 48 hours after each game irrelevant of how we get on so I can gain a little perspective without my emotions clouding my viewpoints
Peter
06 Apr 2012 17:58:40
I still think Andy Carol will come good.
Tizer red
No chance.
Ozone
Me too. its our mid feild thats crap!
Tizer Red - 100% agree.
It wILL be a big mistake if we sold him. Lets get our midfield working and then see what happens!
PJRED
I think he'll come good aswell.
KingMiz(genius)
Your having a laugh. become good. the best he has played this season, is when he got shirty to daglish, as it was the longest he has stayed on his feet.
06 Apr 2012 17:49:37
1) Do Liverpool have plans to make Sterling and regular for the rest of the season?
2) who do liverpool look most likely to sign as both Carroll and Suarez look to be heading out ? :) thanks
Neil
Neither Andy Carroll nor Luis Suarez will be leaving.
Red Owl
Carroll will defo be sold in the summer!
06 Apr 2012 17:26:02
Firstly can I say the people who are slagging off Gerrard and Carra need to realise that they love the club..
I also believe that we all should respect what Kenny has done for the club and at least support him till the end of the season.
I know for a fact that if he feels the job is to big he will step aside..
I also know that 2 of the players we are trying to sign really will make a differance, both from la liga..
Cheers
Macca
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Who is slagging off Gerrard and Carra? As far as I can say even though Gerrard is past his peak he can turn a match on his own any time. He is not consistent anymore but he is still a world class player and we need him, nobody denies this. Carra is just a squad player now and needed only when the young players aren't playing, this is the harsh true.
About Kenny I am of the opinion that he needs backup with few young world class players and not just potentials. If he can't make it with those kind of players then he will need to step down. Looking at the teams above us they certainly have a much better individual squad, except Everton. The only team which is overachieving with what they have is Arsenal.
Also I believe a League Cup is not something we should be excited about. The most important thing this year was 4th place. Anything other than is a failure and 1 or 2 cups won't make up for it. The rebuilding of the team is not an excuse as they had a lot to spend and in my opinion they spend most of it unwisely and in Carroll's case stupidly. They should have never bought a striker in January. They should have taken the Torres money and spend it in the summer. Yet they engaged in politics from the beginning as they wanted to impress.
This I am sure does not fall only in Kenny's head. It is also down to Comolli and FSG with their policy. As they said they want to emulate Arsenal, but Wenger knows how to buy young TOP players, whom their potentials are visible. In our case we failed to buy players with visible potentials.
For me Kenny deserves at least another year but he will need a tremendous backup. If the players you are mentioning are Muniain and Llorente then we certainly are going the right way and I'm sure Kenny will prove his worth.
If Carroll & Suarez go so be it, if kenny steps down so be it, we as a club exist to win trophies that what football is all about winning trophies, so to say that winning the carling cup means nothing then u are a fool, it cost me a small fortune to get there & we won it, no better experience than seeing team win at wembley & lift a cup, support the club & stop being a instant success fan.... Cm1968
I think that may have been aimed at myself and ed001. We didnt slag Gerrard off though, just took a more objective view of him.
Nevada
If we win the fa cup on top of the league cup i will personally be happy, and will in tern think that kenny will need another season to go for the top 4. There is no doubt we will need 3 additions and a few off loaded.
@cm: Mickey Mouse cup is not exactly a trophy. So stop pointing it out as a success you are embarrassing Liverpool. I prefer 1000 times to have 4th place in premier league rather than getting the Mickey Mouse cup.
06 Apr 2012 17:17:05
Hey Eds
Forget My last Message. I need to read Maccas message more carefully next time. Insted of getting ahead of myself.
Thatracoonstolemybacon
06 Apr 2012 17:09:31
Soldado would be a fantastic signing if he's the striker Macca means, Tello a good winger if the speculation is correct, Phillips is an exciting winger we need and hopefully maybe De Jong and a central midfielder can be signed. Do you know if we will be after more players say Carroll, Suarez and Kuyt all left surely they would need replacing
06 Apr 2012 16:54:39
I reckon the two La Liga Kenny's targeting are Soldado of Valencia and Pedro of Barcellona. Both would change the dimension of our play and add value to the squad. Pedro's not been a regular at Barca but he's quick and exciting to watch. Ed, I see Pedro as a replacement for Luis Suarez who I also reckon will join Juventus this summer. I still think we'd need a winger on the right and an attacking midfielder though perhaps the wing position could be filled by Tony Silva or Ibe (both very promising players) which leaves us the attacking midfield position. Ed, do you agree that we do need an attacking/creative midfielder? {Ed001's Note - probably, not sure how you get the idea Ibe is ready though?}
I'd love to see Pedro come to LFC. I dont think he will but he is a quality player
06 Apr 2012 16:49:57
What would everyone think to this:
Sell;
(Loanees)
Alberto Aquilani - £5m
David Amoo - £250k
Stephen Darby - £250k
Danny Wilson - £500k
Joe Cole - £5m
(First Team)
Maxi Rodriguez - £4m
Dirk Kuyt - £6m
Andy Carroll - £15m
Charlie Adam - £6m
Luis Suarez - £30m
(Squad)
Fabio Aurelio - Free
Nathan Ecclestone - £500k
Brad Jones - £500k
Emanuel Mendy - £250k
Buy;
Roberto Soldado - £20m
Iker Muniain - £20m
Gaston Ramirez - £10m
Luuk De Jong - £12m
Matias Suarez - £15m
Mauricio Isla - £8m
Should be quite good. 5 out of the first team, 6 in. Sell some dead wood and the rubbish out on loan. Prices are all 100% guess work. It does require about £40m of net investment though.
Team would be:
---------------------Reina--------------------
Johnson-----Skrtel----------Agger------Enrique
-------------Isla------------Lucas------------
Ramirez------------M.Suarez------------Muniain
--------------------Soldado------------------
Doni, Kelly, Coates, Henderson, Downing, Gerrard, De Jong
---------------------Gulacsi---------------------
Flanagan------Wisdom-----Carragher----Robinson
--------------Spearing-----Shelvey-------------
Sterling---------------Suso-----------------Silva
---------------------Bellamy--------------------
Belford, McLaughlin, Sama, Coady, Adorjan, Ibe, Ngoo/Morgan
I do genuinely belive Gerrard and Carragher need to become squad players or impact subs now.
Younger players should be given more chances.
This gives us 2 out and out goalscorers in Soladado and De Jong, but also many other players capable of scoring like Ramirez, M.Suarez, Muniain, Downing, Gerrard and Bellamy; and Sterling, Suso, Morgan and Silva in my opinion.
Goal scoring has been our biggest problem this year which is why we should sign goal scoring flair players as well as poachers.
If Johnson Leaves, Kelly should be first choice right back. Sign Clyne as back up or trust Flanagan.
If Reina leaves then we need to sign a replacement (depending on how Doni performs over the next few games). However with such an influx of spanish speaking, quality players, i think Reina would give us a chance. If he does leave, I'd love us to sign Tim Krul from Newcastle.
I think both will stay given that option though.
I get too excited over transfer season haha, this is like my 2nd time doing this in 3 days! Apologies Ed ;)
YNWA! (Adam)
06 Apr 2012 16:44:41
hey lfc fans..........
when i realised the club didnt want to buy anyone or loan any attacking options in january..i knew we would struggle badly at some point so im not even going to say anything bad dalglish or the owners cos its pointless
its just a realisation that we are simply average and not going to challenge for the title for a long time.
and what makes it worse is that none of the players bought have made a real significant impact...except enrique.
he has been a much better left back that lfc have had a long while, despite his recent bad form.
suarez has been average and not scored enough thats the truth...yes he seems to spark at certain points of a game causing problems..but he doesnt score enough.
caroll.adam henderson downing.............have not performed at a high level AT ALL...
so when you look at it.............we havent really improved the squad.
i say this..cos look at newcastle............each purchase has made a significant impact.which is why they are far beyond us challenging for 4th
cisse scored 8 goals so far..thats a great impact
ba has score alot..
tiote in each game plays well in midfield..same for cabaye..
and since ben arfa has been allowed to play in each game he has showed his true quality after his injury
so....i personally believe we should sell caroll......and bring in atleast 6 players to even challenge for 4th.
red lobster
One Season!!
By Next season the players Ashleys Clan bought will like most surprise team of the season do nothing.
Alan Pardew will be found out as The Very Average Manager he as been at every club he's been at in the Past.
Hopefully!!!
Lyndon
Talk about a lucky season 2-0 win at Swansea
Swansea 75% possession
Newcastle 25%
Goals win games as we know, Newcastle have two very good finishers
And you lot will be relegated to learn some humility and respect hopefully
06 Apr 2012 16:41:59
Suarez,carrol,Adam,Spearing,Maxi,Kuyt,Glen Johnson,Aurellio,Joe Cole,Aqua-Lotve incoming cash to buy top quality.Unsure about selling Suarez,but doesnt score many,and is he worth the aggro?Could rebuild-This time with real class
06 Apr 2012 16:05:34
Think the team for the Wembley semi against Everton should be.
Jones
Kelly Skrtyl Carra Enrique
Downing Spearing Gerrard Bellamy
Carroll Suarez
Carroll and Suarez should start Everton have strong centre backs in Heitinga, Distin and Jagileka and with Bellamy in the side playing on the left he will cause problems to Neville who is not the quickest.
Everton danger is Fellaini in the middle Baines getting in behind on the over lap and the lad upfront Jelavic.
Spearing will provide cover to the defense and stop Fellaini threat, Downing and Kelly would easily be able to sniff out danger on the left from Baines and Carra and Skrtyl will have to do a job on Jelavic.
Can see it going to pens though
Thoughts?
Doni has to play in goal , he looks an excellent keeper . Now I shall ead the rest of your post .
Qwerty
My iwn personal opinion is Bellamy should be a right winger if not a striker and Downing on the left , but it will all even out in the wash I suppose .
Qwerty
06 Apr 2012 15:53:00
Just bought a Liverpool FC advent calendar. Typical, all the windows are boarded up and someones nicked all the chocolate
SHED END
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What sort of stupid T**t buts an advent calander in April?
An Dun Red
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That should read 'buys' and not 'buts' sorry ed!
An Dun Red {Ed002's Note - I guess we wondered about that - but the kids of today get up to all sorts of things.}
Im sure this is a joke, its got to be nigh on impossible to buy a advent calender in April. Not only that, im sure i heard this one at christmas.
Carb
06 Apr 2012 15:19:04
Hi eds,
Just a quick question. Any idea why a member of staff at Fiorentina told me they will never do business with Liverpool again? They would not say why just that relations between the two are strained to put it politely.
Nevada {Ed002's Note - I have no idea but it makes little sense. There was a bunch of screwing around last year over Aquilani but in my experience clubs do not hold grudges.}
I thought it was very strange myself as Fiorentina are usually a very well run organisation and they are still happy to do business with Milan and they have had plenty of trouble with them in the past. Perhaps it was just the view of the individual who I spoke with.
Thanks ed
Nevada
Nevada I get the impression you're Reflo or Reflow, would I be right?
Papa G
That's what I'm thinking! We need the truth Nevada!
It is/was rewflo he changed his name a while back.
Square tomato
Yeah, changed it after some clown decided to make me look silly using my old sign off. Ive supplied eds with my e-mail since switching to my new id though so hopefully cant happen again.
Nevada {Ed002's Note - And it was the name of an industrial toilet cleaning brand.}
Well that too ed, but I wasnt aware of that until you kindly? pointed it out. Thanks for that ha ha
Nevada
Nevada's a lot sexier than Rewflo tbh- it makes you sound kind of beefy and suntanned.
I almost fancy you more than Jay Spearing now- and I'm not even gay, although my civil partner insists I am.
How did you get Nevada as a name anyways? Are your located there?
06 Apr 2012 15:27:03
06 Apr 2012 15:02:09
Just bought a Liverpool FC advent calendar. Typical, all the windows are boarded up and someones nicked all the chocolate
SHED END
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What sort of stupid T**t buts an advent calander in April?
An Dun Red
06 Apr 2012 15:02:09
Just bought a Liverpool FC advent calendar. Typical, all the windows are boarded up and someones nicked all the chocolate
SHED END
Ur 4 months late mate.
Odd you should say that I bought the manchester one only to find I had to pay separately for each commemorative chocolate.
06 Apr 2012 14:53:05
why do liverpool's scouts get paid?
The same scouts that scouted Suarez, Enrique, Coates?
The same scouts that bought hendo, adam, downing and carroll
Yes exactly, they're the SAME Scouts. You can't get it right every time, sometimes players just do not turn out how everyone expects.
Don't forget that each one of Adam, Henderson, Carroll and Downing were brilliant at their previous clubs just before we signed them. how were we to know they wouldn't play the same?
I am desperately hoping that means there's still a chance for these players to come good for us. they're clearly all lacking form and a lot of confidence but if one comes the other could follow and we could see a different team.
X
Thats kinda down to kenny due to the fact that he wanted player that wouldn't have to adapt....etc
06 Apr 2012 14:50:20
Hi Eds.....
Just a thought that if KK did move upstairs what would be your opinion on Michael Laudrup managing LFC? No doubt we'd play a more attacking style of football.
Or Klinsmann to manage after the 2014 World Cup after he is done with the Yonks WC campaign? {Ed002's Note - I have no real opinion on either. Wait until the summer and see what happens.}
I hear klinnsmann is a bit wacky. A german friend of mine said when he was in charge at Bayern he insisted that players practise buddhist prayers after training.
Done very good things with the US team though and is part of the reason Germanys youth system is so good.
Nevada
Buddhism has no prayers. They do not consider buddha a god but only one man who everyone must respect. Similar to dalai lama. They have chants thy sing during meditation. {Ed002's Note - I can clarify this but was hoping not to bother. The previous post is well wide of the mark but there were some positive-energy based enhancements made to the training and restaurant facilities in Munich. This included a quiet area and a few statues but their was no weirdness with the players. This was well received by the players.}
My mistake. I knew it was something that was a little different. Although I think meditation would be less wacky than -energy based enhancements-
Thanks for the correction ed.
Nevada {Ed002's Note - The "energy-based enhancements" included a couple of statues in the restaurant. I have a photograph I took and will see if I can find it when time allows.}
Buddhist's do not make a sound during meditation .
Qwerty
They very much make noise as they start they Meditation. Much like the hindu culture does " ohmmmm " they don't say words but the Buddhists do say " ohmmm" and their pattern of breath is very loud but soothing to the mind.
06 Apr 2012 14:46:57
why do people always joke about lfc signing messi and ronaldo? it's not funny and and never has been
06 Apr 2012 14:24:34
Do you really think Macca actually knows anything about the rumours, you may as well go on Twitter and look at some of the rumours going on there. It annoys me a great deal to see him getting all this praise for having as good a guess as you and I.
All I can add is that we need 2 wingers, another CB maybe? A NEW STRIKER is key however...
At least Macca signs his name to his post.
Nevada
I don't know why you get so angry, just don't read it. for me this guy is on the money. he had pretty much everythng bnag on before fsg took over. he doesn't have to post info on here but he does and we should be thankful for that. i mean macca doesn't have to put himself out but he does and he gets the s**t ripped out of him because he got a few things wrong, things in football change fast. Macca mate, thanks for all you post, same to the eds who do a bang up job on here. peace out.
huddz red
I agree with Nevada. Also, I'm assuming that you have not been on this site for long as you would know that he has info correct on more than one occasion! Not just regarding transfers either! He has told of lineups, players injured, as well as behind the scenes info such as about the stadium etc! Do you think the eds would give him his own section if they did not believe his words were trustworthy?
K. Bennett {Ed002's Note -
That tricky invisible ink again ed?
Nevada {Ed002's Note - It was a secret message to K Bennett.}
Haha got your message Ed002 ;)
K. Bennett
I've been coming on this site since January transfer when we sold Torres, not long i must admit, but during that time Macca has got at least 4/5 signings right. He got Bellamy, Suarez, Coates, and Henderson i think and probably more. He has also admitted that he is close to one of the players, obviously he hasnt said which one and nor should he, but he is probably the most accurate person about signings that comes on what is to be fair, a RUMOURS site.
Carb
Hey mate, leave Macca alone will you- 99% of sane people who read these pages are bloody grateful to the guy for posting bits of genuine info and we'd be gutted if morons like you ever put him off.
We know he's usually spot on and he's trustworthy, unlike some of the muppets who emerge during the silly season of the transfer window.
.
06 Apr 2012 14:12:14
I'd go for Iker "ManUtd beater" Muniain.
HK
Got 20m lying around?
25 actually from the kit deal and i'm guessing a 20 kitty from the owners and i'm guessing play sales....so yeah about 60m {Ed002's Note - What makes you think the kit sponsorship money will go straight on buying players?}
06 Apr 2012 14:09:35
I think you only have yourselves to blame that Macca isn't stating any names. You don't seem to understand that a transfer may take a hitch and stall. When Macca did tell you names (Luc Castaignos) a select few of you jumped on his back. Why? He's trying to bring you information that will benefit YOU. Not him, he already knows.
So, lay off Macca and he may then tell you names instead of having 100's of posts guessing who the two players from la liga are.
I personally hope one of them is Soldado. Maybe a winger, too. Or Ozil would be the ideal signing in midfield.
Nice post until you contradicted yourself
I couldn't agree more, Macca doesnt have to do what he does and he could jus keep it to himself and the Ed's dont have to do what they do and they could keep it to themselves and then this site wouldnt be around for us all to come to. We should respect what Macca and the Ed's do and stop arguin/bitchin/moanin/complainin about them, accept what they say and jus get on with it, unless you have the means to change it, which nobody does, else they wouldnt be on this site.
Carb
06 Apr 2012 13:46:45
hey eds, wisdon,coady and sterling were training with the first team this week do you think any of themm will get cameo?(i doubt wisdon tbh) and do you think that means no other youngsters will be on the bench because they didnt train with the firsts?
thanks , good work {Ed002's Note - There is a chance that one will but I cannot predict who will be on the bench.}
Why does coady train with the first team and not suso? Weve got enough players who can play centre mid and he wouldn't offer anything more than the others anyway, but suso, who plays in a position which were severely lacking in, doesn't get a look in!
St. Helen's Red
To gain experience. The fact he is the Reserves and England U19 captain speaks for the lads talent. I'd go as afar as saying he'll captain the first team one day.
06 Apr 2012 13:38:43
Hi Eds,
I really trust you!
According to your knowledge
-I'd love if you predict,how many INS and OUTS in the summer?
-Do you also think that any player who will leave will be replaced?
THX,
Y.N.W.A {Ed002's Note - We are not interetested in making such predictions or in any fantasy football type games. Sorry. Perhaps some of the regular posters will help you out.}
06 Apr 2012 13:27:41
Hi Eds,
-According to your knowledge,
Predict the number of INS and OUTS.
-Do you think that each player who will go will will be replaced?
THX,
Y.N.W.A {Ed002's Note - We have no interest in doing any guessing or fantasy football.}
06 Apr 2012 13:26:06
You're not goin to sign Martinez, Soldado or Llorent, c'mon on lads I know your not the brightest bunch, but you're not all blind & stupid.
Rex Bantersaur
Yeah its ronaldo and messi.........A DUHHHHHHHHH
06 Apr 2012 13:19:03
I watched the Liverpool, newcastle game in a pub in Blackpool with my brother who calls himself a Un**ed fan. My brother was cheering for them and was laughing at us when we conceded the two goals. I was so angry with him I said to him "you can't even name five members of your sqaud" in which he replied "so".
My point is there are differant types of supporters when supporting a big club. You have the true fans that bleed Liverpool, who will support the club through thick and thin, if the club were playing in the prem, chapionship or league 1,2. I am one of those supporters.
Then you have the fans who never buy the merchandice, who call them selves fans, who know nothing about football, like my brother.
Then you have the fans who expect instant success, who constantly put the team, players, club and management down, like half the fans on here.
A true fan should have unconditional love for there club and support the club through the rough times and the smooth. Supporting Liverpool to me is more than a game, its a way of life. Kenny himself loves our club just as much as me, if not more, the same goes for Jamie and Steve.
After reading the macca post (thanks macca for all your info) I can't disagree with him at all. If kenny feels he cant move our club forward he will step down because he loves our club so much.
I do believe he can take us to the top but because the state the club was in, it will take more than a season to do it.
A trophy and a semi final in his first full season with half a new sqaud is quite remarkable. Our league position is disappointing, however we do have European football next season and the league is just a game with very little meaning now. We've gone from players who are on the decline, on high wages like Poulson, Cole etc to promising young players who are young and on relatively lower wages.
I believe if we get behind the team and management then with a few extra additions in the summer, we will be very hard to beat.
Andy caroll may or may not come good and yes he isnt worth 35m. Chelsea bought us Caroll so who cares how much he cost. As i said to the gordie fans that day, "we swapped Torres and Babel for Suarez and Caroll".
Get behind the team and show our true support and maybe, just maybe we will do the cup double. With guaranteed European football next season and two cups out of three, would it be such a dreadful season? I dont think so.
People may agree or disagree with my post but everyone should agree with this, kenny is a legand, the football this season has been fantastic at times and kenny deserves one more season to put it right.
Play you'll never walk alone and really listen to the words. Thats what LFC used to stand for but them days are sadly disappearing. You dont hear kenny disrespecting us so think long and hard before you decide to disrespect him.
Liverpool f.c and everyone who puts on that shirt, you will never walk alone as long as you have fans like me.
Ynwa
Tizer red
Of your brother can't even name 5 members if the Man Utd squad then I'd suggest that he's not even a football fan never mind a man u fan.
Moot
When things are not going well you are allowed to have a point of view, why didn't we stick with Roy last season then ? Just because you respect Kenny doesn't he can do no wrong.
Baz F
Cool story bro
How many more times? WE DIDN'T SWAP TORRES FOR ANYONE!! We swapped him for £50 million! Torres cost £20m when we signed him! And what happens if we sell Carroll for less? You obviously know nothing about business if you think just because you sold one asset for a certain figure that you are now able to throw that money away the following day!
Ash
I completely agree Tizer Red although i'd prefer to finish 7th or 8th than 10th or lower, so i do think the league is still of some importance! However i see where you're coming from!
As for your brother, he shouldn't watch football as he knows absolutely nothing! i know more than 5 players for every team in the league!
OK then Ash (Mr negative)
We sold Torres and babel and wi.th the same money bought suarez and caroll
Tizer red
Tizer, you cannot simply add and subtract figures like that. Businesses are run by buying and selling assets. It's about 'value'. Carroll is now worth £10 million meaning we overpaid by £25 million. What Chelsea paid is irrelevant. If (and quite possibly when) we sell Carroll, we will realise a massive loss. Swapping a £50 million asset for (ultimately) £10 million is not good business. Don't forget, Babel and Torres were signed for £32 million too + signing on fees, agent fees, VAT. It simply isn't as simple as you are trying to make out.
And as for being negative, I told you long, long ago that these players were not good enough. Just because I've been proven right vindicates what I said. Let me guess, we need to give them 'more time?'
Ash
I think the point that he is trying to make is that just because the cost of a player is offset by the sale of another does not mean its not a waste of money if they dont perform as expected. Regardless of money earned...it is still money spent
Nevada
06 Apr 2012 13:11:36
Just a small observation. Where are all the optimists right after a defeat?
I have yet to see even one of the so called 'true reds' who claims to support during good times and bad come out and defend the team after a defeat. The site is mysteriously absent of those people after a defeat when really thats the time they should be posting since they support through thick and thin.
There's one here mate ,one trophy already one to come,not been a great league campaign but alot of the games we have been unlucky and we have missed Lucas badly ,Adam n carrol need to be sold bring in a goal scorer a quality right winger and a quality attacking midfielder and promote sterling n next year will be a gooden ,Kenny has my backing mate ,ynwa
One to come fuc*ing hilarious!
We can be depressed, angry and hurt straight after a game so may not immediately post but a day or two after when the dust has settled and perspective is gained then we can post our optimistic comments again
Haha take the blinkers off one to come do you go the game have you seen us play lately we are a shambles .i quite agree its hilarious and saying were hurt to b****y right were all hurt we pay good money to watch that load of c**p sort it kenny or just walk away and give some other manager a chance to get us back were we belong
What are you saying here mate? That the optimists hide away after a defeat?
If all you're going to read here is endless slagging off of any player who makes a mistake, then yes, maybe the optimists feel that they would be better off not logging in for a few days, whilst all the usual frantic panicking muppets scream their heads off.
Maybe those who stick with the club no matter what are hurt by a defeat, and they don't want to read all the ill-informed throwaway insults.
You sound as if you're somehow pleased that more people don't post positive comments after a defeat- as if you enjoy all the hasty negativity.
And I find that a bit weird, to be honest.
06 Apr 2012 13:03:51
How is Carroll worse than Torres?
Martin
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Because Torres can trap a ball, run with the ball, has a turn of pace, is stronger than Carroll, has now added assists to his locker, can kick with both feet and with a run of games would find his goal scoring touch. Carroll could've played every game this season and play every game next but it won't detract from the fact that he's Sunday league standard, absolute shocking signing. I know it was a panic buy but if we had waited until the summer and bought an established experienced striker, I am convinced we would be in the top 4 now at least.
I heard Mike Newall on Talksport talking about all this nonsense about Kenny not being up to the job. He also pointed out that when bringing in young talent such as Henderson, you need established senior payers around them with a winning mentality. I'm sure Henderson and Downing would both do a job at Utd.
Ozone
The question is , did he get to play 10 straight league games without getting dropped to the bench after every 2 games ?
If we waited till summer we could've got aguero {Ed002's Note - No, that was never going to happen.}
Carroll is younger, stronger, natural #9. Paid less for him. Scored more. Has lesser players behind him( Adam Henderson vs Raul and ramirez)
Natural number 12 on a Sunday morning pal.
Ozone
06 Apr 2012 13:02:40
Anyone wondering if we'd have been better off with N'Gog than Carroll? At least he scored a couple of goals and occassionally held the ball up!
In hindsight looking back to January 2011 we should have banked the £50m for Torres and played Suarez with Ngog.
LFC has a strange way of not getting the best out of young players with potential that are brought in. They then move on and become decent players. Could name a few but there are plenty. Anyone know why?
I think Ng'og was over achieving at liverpool and has gone back to his actual standard. I am friends witha couple of Bolton fans, they all think they got ripped off with N'gog
06 Apr 2012 13:00:31
Ps i thought i better not of put ur whole name in so u wouldnt get in trouble. {Ed002's Note - Don't send in any more rubbish please.}
06 Apr 2012 12:44:08
guys lets get real here,if macca is right and 2 players from la liga are to sign imo u can rule out the likes of munian llorente martinez these players are top notch players and at the minute would they really want to sign for us,plus every top european club would be interested in those two,they could have their pick and if thats the case i just couldnt see them picking us
06 Apr 2012 12:16:33
Good afternoon fellow FA Cup Semi Finalists...
Anyone here had a flutter on NUFC this p.m.?
Personally, I think since the have been revitalized by your rather generous Manager...
They really have come on leaps and bounds ...
Would anyone care to disagree...??
Blue247
Ooops nearly forgot smashin these forums eh?:)
The forums are a good inititative - the only sensible thing you have ever said .
I trust you will be back after the FA Cup semi final .
Qwerty
As usual Squirts you agree with me... but you have to go round the houses first ...
So as you think NUFC are doing well did you have a bet on them...??
And your'e right the forums are great so they are:)
Blue247
06 Apr 2012 11:54:52
Wow, what a turnaround of comments after that wonderful post by Macca. I can't find many anti Dalglish threads! If this is the case, then I suggest Mr Macca continues to post to steady-the-ship and to oust the boo-boys (and girls). There's a much calmer feeling on
these pages today and a bit of Macca spin has won you all over. The optimism of new signings and an FA Cup final should always motivate a fan...regardless of form and league position. Not all that bad, is it? Cheers lad.
Bring it on.
DaveyBootle
I think the main reason is that we are targeting foreign talent and not more british trash
Trash? England players? That's a bold statement. As much as I dislike the England set-up, these players do not become 'trash' overnight. Just wait and see.
DaveyBootle
We have brought Suarez in and he has been avg for us (CF's are supposed to score goals) so what is the problem there? Have any of u actually thought the setup is wrong and that's why the signings look so avg? What if we had bought Llorente for 35m, given him the same service and support we giving Carroll and he scored no goals? Would he then be spanish rubbish?
06 Apr 2012 11:42:00
I think it would be better if you Eds posted what you have heard instead of us asking you "Have you heard anything about that player?". If you always share what you have heard then we wont need to ask you so many questions. And also the risk that we miss out on some info disappears.
Anyway, i'm going to ask you a question. Macca said we are interested in two La Liga players that will make difference. Do you have any info about who that may be and do you even think we can attract players of such a high calibre? {Ed002's Note - The fundamental issue is that people do not read the other posts nor do they use the search function. When it is suggested they try all we get is a bunch of foul abuse. There is a mass of information that has been provided and in most cases we would need to be asked the same question over and over again if people bothered - but most don't. Also, it is pointless to try and drag us into too much discussion over the hints that Macca left.}
06 Apr 2012 11:39:52
great website guys. a lot of supporters talk about selling kuyt, carroll, maxi, aurelio etc. but why sell them?. there are players who are far worst than them and don't deserve to play for liverpool such as spearing, adam, downing, henderson, shelvey flanagan etc. these players are not for the future. why on earth does kenny start spearing when there are better players such as sterling?. also with pepe suspended, it will be good to see doni given a chance to play. hopefully he does well. what do you guys an eds think?. {Ed002's Note - So your plan is to offer new contracts, and I guess pay rises, to Andy Carroll, a 30 year old Dirk Kuyt, a 31 year old Maxi who is hardly making the bench and an out of contract 32 year old who struggles with injuries. I think you need to write a "Dear Kenny" letter just to make sure he knows the way forward the fans really want.}
I am pretty sure Kenny has a much better idea than the majority of fans with all due respect. Ross
I agree with what your saying ed. im just saying that personally, i think that even though kuyt, maxi, carroll and aurelio (who is always injury prone and hardly plays) should go, there are players who are not doing any better than them. in my opinion, spearing, flanagan and the others are not liverpool players. suarez, gerrard, bellamy, johnson, pepe reina, skirtel, agger, kelly and lucas are the only best players in the current team. we need to get rid of players in the summer. also why is glen johnson being linked with a move away?. he is a good player for us and i would be sad to see him go. {Ed002's Note - There is plenty of discussion on Johnson that you will find in the archives if you use the search function.}
Drop Spearing and play Sterling ha ha I love these jokers you may as well say drop Reina and play Sterling or maybe drop Skrtl and play Sterling. They play in different positions and play a different game with a different job to do. Sterling should be given a chance but not as a replacement for Spearing.
How can you say flanno doesnt deserve to play for lfc you numpty? and i thought shelvey had a good game last week (result aside).
Spearing is rubbish. flanagan doesn't even know what to do while playing. man city is going to buy world class players every season, while we are going to buy useless and unknown british players. this is the reason why suarez, johnson and others might leave. also this is the same reason why we will never ever win the league title. if we win against aston villa, it still won't hide the fact that we are not good enough.
Johnson was unknown english rubbish once apon a time. so was gerrard once upon a time, you sir know nothing about football.
06 Apr 2012 11:20:56
Hey ed.
I know when daglish is appointed as lfc manager its due to fans. I want know what FSG first choice as manager its daglish or someone else. Plz reply. Great site. Keep up the good work. {Ed002's Note - Just support the manager and the team until the end of the season and I am sure everything will be dealt with then.}
Well said Ed. Everyone needs to forget about calling for kk head I think the board knows now what needs to be done. Theres no sense in sacking kk now. Whoever comes in will not win us the league or qualify for champs league now.
Just support the team and show everyone else why we ate the best fans in the world.. We will support our team through thick and thin ....
Speefy
06 Apr 2012 11:18:21
what I read ed was
" He was made captain, he didn't want to play on the right so Rafa moved him inside into a position that meant he didn't have to chase back. He fell out with Torres, Torres was sold due to the fallout following it (though Torres was not innocent in the whole situation)" and "the falling out was initially nothing, Torres wanted to stay at home with the family, Gerrard wanted him to go out 'with the lads' on team building exercises. Neither would compromise, both were making demands on the club, it led to a number of 'incidents' and that was why Torres had a sulk on and was sold."
is it true?
Berry sXe {Ed002's Note - Try nationalenquirer.com - they are much better suited to idle gossip. We have no interest in it at all.}
I believe that Ed001 did say something very similar a couple of days ago.
Nevada
06 Apr 2012 10:41:10
Cant see the current owners paying out any more money on the squad unless players are sold,
Papers reported several weeks ago that the club owes 150 m now.They have borrowed to buy the players from last summer.
I hope this isnt Hicks and Gillett all over again.
Think the only way we will challenge again is to have an abramovich type owner who will pay out for the best players.
At best we are a top 10 team amd the way we have played this season ,look like staying there.
Papers reported...LOL...
06 Apr 2012 10:22:32
Fingers crossed for tomorrow. Fancy a 3.1 win Gerrard, Skrtel and Carroll to score. Hopefully a long overdue good performance to get us ready for Blackburn on Tuesday and the big one next weekend.
06 Apr 2012 10:16:24
Kuyt, Adam, Downing, Maxi and Carroll out(I'd leave Henderson in,partner Agger with Coates). Bring in Erikkson, De Jong,Boubebouz, and Sissoko
06 Apr 2012 10:06:11
why hasnt kuyt played alot this season? i feel this has been liverpools down force, these not enough hard working player in the premier league. i know he does score many. any one have a view on this?
06 Apr 2012 09:56:18
I have not posted in a while, but I will like to add my points.....
Kenny to be given 1 more season imo......
Gerrard vs Dalglish/souness debate...all 3 are/ were great players...... But from different eras, different teams, different circumstances..........however I will say that Gerrard wanted to leave just like Owen and Torres (I still dislike/are hurt by the latter 2 for doing that.....should Gerrard be exempt because he was scared into staying?)
Carra to hang up his boots, he has gone from essential to liability.......and also I'm sure we didn't buy Coates for him to not play!)
Adam, Kuyt, Aurellio, Cole, Aquilani to go. Carroll, Downing, Henderson to stay.....give them time!.....(yes I admit I have not always been on their side but I say let them stay!)
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NO RAFA OR TORRES BACK UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! I have nothing to say about the Chelsea lad.....but with Rafa I remind you of 2 things......#1....Xabi may just have still been here. #2.......DAMN ZONAL MARKING!
Other than that, shout out to all fellow Reds and regulars
Also to Macca (great to have you back around mate!) and to the eds......esp the Knowledgeable Ed001 and witty Ed002
I know its hard, but keep the faith!
K. Bennett
Alonso had a bad season when rafa wanted to sell him, it was the next season he had a blinder but he had made his mind up he wanted to go, do some research
K.Bennett,
Good post.
But why would you like to sell Adam?
What do you think is wrong in his game?...But I would like to hear more than the standard "He is not good enough for Liverpool".....
LiverBird
I honestly believe Adam should get fined a weeks wages for anytime he attempts to tackle. Every tackle from him is a red card waiting.
His passing is fine though not to the standard I expected, and he pushes forward often (which I like in a CM). However his fitness has been up and down all season and he has been inconsistent.
Nevada
@ Liverbird........To be honest when we signed Adam I was excited! His free kicks, corners, passing, maybe even being that missing link between attack and midfield.
However, none of this has come to pass.....not even glimses of it imo! His passing can be wayward a lot of the time as well as his shots (when he takes them). He has never been known for his pace but man he looks ultra slow at times! Charlie looks like a rabbit in headlights and so overwelmed! For those that say the injuries to Lucas and Gerrard didn't help....well yes, those situations may not have been ideal but to me that was Adam's chance to shine! He couldn't manage it! Or, maybe its just that he wasn't that good in the first place! Either way, I think we should cut ties for the good of the club and player!
@ no name poster......yes Xabi didn't have a great season, I acknowledge that. However, I do not believe for 1 minute that it constituted being sold to get Gareth Barry! Yes due to the owners, we could only have 1 of the 2 mentioned players.......but for me if it was a choice the answer would be a no brainer! Alonso every time! And that season where he ' made his mind up' as you put it......we nearly won the league and Alonso was prob the best midfielder if not best player in the PL that season! He didn't sulk, he got better! Is it so hard to understand that he was hurt and why he left? (By the way, no research needed, I was actually watching the football you know)
K. Bennett
@ K.Bennett
I can understand your argument about Adam's passing + decision making, K mate. But Charlie has scored 2 goals and has 9 assists, this season. Not bad IMO for a 1st season and only cost 6.8 mill.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
I agree Blair mate, his transfer wasn't big but its the reproducing of his ability that concerns me! If he is to stay I for one hope for significant improvement which I doubt will come (hope I'm wrong though)
K. Bennett
I agree totally K.Bennett apart from keeping carroll. He won't cut it unfortuately
I heard Alonso ultimately left because he wanted a couple of days off to go to hospital to be with his wife while she had his kid in Spain but because we had a Champions League game with Inter coming up Benitez refused.... just what I heard...
SMc
06 Apr 2012 09:51:11
The majority of fans want is a team who plays good football and gets results. I've heard people say that before the new year we were playing well, just lacking a goal, etc etc.... it is now April. Our current form is not a slump or a blip, it is a crisis.
I want to address and question the issue about scoring goals: If we were in such dire need of a goalscorer (which we clearly have been all season) then why didn't we try to sign one in January? You pay over the odds in January and availability is an issue but we managed to sign Suarez & Carroll last January so it is not impossible by any means. A proven goalscorer might have propelled us to 4th place (which is paramount and was allegedly our objective at the beginning of the season). A goalscorer could have been the confidence booster the team seems to be crying out for. The question is why then did we choose not to sign anyone? Was this owner influenced i.e. not providing the manager with funds? Did Dalglish actually believe our team was good enough? I am very curious about this so if anybody could provide a good answer (or failing that a correct one) then please enlighten me.
The bottom line is Kenny is not good enough. His presence as manager of Liverpool is, at this moment in time, damaging our club in numerous ways. This is not good. This is not healthy for the club. And this is not something fans should just blindly accept because it is Kenny Dalglish. There is no room for sentiment at a world-class club (which I believe we are), you are either good enough to perform your role or you are not, it's that simple. Dalglish has not been good enough in terms of tactics, motivation, media responsibilities, transfer dealings, results - these are critical failures. Why should he be given another season to prove himself? If this was anybody else but Kenny Dalglish would he be given time? I think we know the answer..
I've heard people say, sarcastically, that we should just change the manager every year an then maybe everyone will be happy. Changing managers excessively is no route for success as Chelsea have found out. However, blindly keeping the faith when there are fundamental problems is equally toxic to a club. When progress is being made, when there are signs of improvement managers should be (and have been at Liverpool before) given time regardless of poor runs of form. There are no signs of progression, of improvement, of cause for optimism at the moment and this is not simply because we have lost a lot of games. There are many issues hurting the club at the minute and, as manager, Dalglish is the person who these burdens fall upon.
A season is a long time in football. The club has already been out of the Champions League for a couple of seasons. If Dalglish remains then I do not see that anomaly correcting itself next season. Put simply the clubs above us have better players, better management, more money and the results that these qualities provide. Our club cannot afford to keep missing out on the Champions League. Trophies like the Carling Cup and the FA Cup are all well and good but we all know the real bread and butter is the Premiership and the Champions League. Fans do not want, ultimately, to be competitive in the Carling and FA Cup but be miles behind in terms of a Champions League qualification spot or Premier League title tilt. If we continually fail to qualify for the Champions League then a future of mid-table obscurity (not unlike this season) awaits.
Dalglish is a club legend - no matter what happens that is not going to change. For the good of the club (which, lest we forget, is the most important thing) he should step down or be removed. A top class manager should be brought in as THE most important signing. Benitez was top class when we brought him in and, if he had had any substantial backing, might have steered us to the title (case in point: the owners refused to pay 9million for Dani Alves when he wanted to move to us - they would only pay 8million). With a World Class manager, financial backing from sensible owners combined with an already world class academy the club has the potential to move from strength to strength and, within a couple of seasons, be challenging regularly for the league title. While Dalglish remains at the helm this will not happen.
Dalglish is an icon, an absolute club legend - but not the solution in our search for e Premiership title. He should be supported 100% until the end of the season and then be moved upstairs and replaced by a better manager.
SMc
Totally disagree with your analysis.
1. We tried pretty hard to get hold of a striker in Jan, but both fell through.
2. LFC can't afford to make hasty decisions because they are running out of time in a transfer window, or guess what happens- you get held to ransom and charged 35m for a player who is worth 15m. You'd probably be first in the line to criticise Kenny if he rushed a purchase and it didnt work out.
3. Personally I think we really are a lot closer to winning ways than it currently looks, and that Kenny will turn it around even before the end of the season.
I do agree with you on supporting Kenny and the team 100% till the end of the season though. But part of supporting them is fans not writing overly negative and pessimistic critical posts on websites, because many players do read some of them.
And you come up with this conclusion because you can see into the future or because you are too impatient to give him time to build a team?
Lets be totaly honest, we was never going to make the top4 this season. It is now even harder to make it with Cities financial power and Spurs being ahead of us in terms of quality.
Un**ed will always be there as will City, so that leaves Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal fighting for two places. We are in the first year of rebuild so i disagree with most of your post and imo believe kenny deserves another season to put it right.
YNWA
TIZER RED
So who would be your choice as a manager?
its easy to say that KK has not been good but Iwould really like to read ur reasoning behind the choice of your manager?
LiverBird
@ point 1+2) we didn't get a striker so didn't try hard enough. We did pay over the odds for Carroll but that has as much to do with him being English as it did the time of year. Personally, while I have been underwhelmed by Carroll, I feel sorry for him. Even when Suarez was suspended he didn't get a real run in the first team. Any time he has shown glimmers of promise he's been dropped a game or two later which seems to of affected his confidence - this is all about Dalglish's management style and I think he is at fault. The club can't afford to make hasty decisions? You are right, so why did we sign Carroll - a man who was injured and barely featured for the rest of the 2010/11 season anyway - for an astronomical sum at the end of January 2011? Either bad management or bad ownership and neither is acceptable when it comes to 35million pounds.
Point 3) I don't know why you think we are closer to winning ways when our performances have been getting worse and worse as the season progresses - Newcastle game was shocking, Wigan game was equally bad, Sunderland game shocking - If we do not win the F.A.Cup (and it is by no means a formality) then this season will be seen as a complete failure.... and this after an outlay of 100million+ ... that will not be good enough and simply wouldn't be acceptable if we were talking about any other manager but Dalglish. As I said there is no room for sentiment at the very top - you are either good enough or you are not.
SMc
@ TIZER RED - I come to this conclusion based on this seasons events, this seasons signings, Dalglish's performance and the clubs current league position. Dalglish has already had a major impact on rebuilding a team and he has not covered himself in glory. Charlie Adam has been a complete let down. Stewart Downing has never been world class so why we signed him is a mystery to me - on top of that he cost close to 20million and has been arguably the worst signing. Henderson has been poor and 20million was clearly way too much of an outlay - personally I think he will improve and is undoubtedly one for the future but at this moment in time he isn't being managed well (why is he always played as a right midfielder when it is clearly not his natural position?).
Lets be honest our aim at the beginning of the season was top 4 and given how much money we spent and the squad we assembled it was not unrealistic and in fact many fans were quietly confident it was going to happen. We are miles away from these heady aspirations and, given how much money was spent, it is simply not good enough.
The other teams who will "be there" are irrelevant, we should be there (or at the very least threatening them) and we are doing nothing of the sort. Dalglish has failed on many levels - but please tell me why you think he should have another season because so far I have failed to hear a convincing argument for such a course of action. Saying he "deserves another season" is not a reason - that is pure sentiment because he is a club legend and is not the right way to move forward as a club. It is not right to give someone time because of sentiment when he is clearly out of his depth - what indications have there been that Kenny can get it right, turn this around, etc etc? And please don't say the Carling Cup because for 1) it is the worst cup competition available with little to no kudos if won, 2) any cup competition relies on a certain amount of luck to ultimately win - the league is the real gauge of just how much we have (or have not) progressed.
Neither of us can see into the future so I would be interested to hear why you think we will do better next season? And why we should keep Dalglish at the helm?
SMc
Do you think he has been good enough? He hasn't that is fairly obvious.
For me I would like Joachim Loew as manager but this is bordering on the realms of fantasy as it would be very difficult to acquire him and there is no indication, if he was available, that he would be interested in joining us.
I am unfamiliar with the current managers available, there interest in a job like Liverpool etc etc so it is difficult to answer the question 'who should we get' when we knowledge of all the top managers available is limited.
I am sure that sticking with Dalglish is not the direction the club should follow next season.
SMc
When you dont know which train to get on, you shouldnt get OFF a running train.
Particularly when you are not supposed to stand still or be in a train which stands at the plateform.
Irrespective of what Kenny's detractors think, I still dont think that when it comes to mapping objectives with requirements, any body is better than Kenny at the moment.
But you had your chance to name a manger we can bring in if Kenny is asked to leave.
You didnt cover urself in glory there.
For a start do you even know what we want as a football club?
LiverBird
06 Apr 2012 09:28:39
This current run we are on is disappointing on many levels. Firstly and more importantly it has deflected away from the real progress we have made this season. Right upto and including the Arsenal game we weren't that far away. Playing some good stuff, tight defending, good energy levels and only our poor finishing in so many games the only really glaring lack of quality.
Now the focus is on whether the manager is fit for purpose, the doubters who thought in Jan 11 that he had been out of the game too long have crawled back out of the woodwork with the all too predictable "told you so", there is a real danger that many fans will be sucked in by this current run and jump on the bandwagon, creating an increasing surge of 'knee jerk'.
I read one ironic and amusing post the other day in which the 'fan' stated and i quote "i wish i hadn't wanted Rafa gone, i was wrong to want KD back to replace Rafa.....". This knee jerk fan obviously can't see the wood for the trees
The current run is a concern. Players who struggled when we were playing well are downright drowning at the moment and dragging others down with them. The mood of the knee jerks isnt helping either.
But i will say this. The league finished for us in November, top 4 finished for us after the Arsenal game. Our performances since mirror that. Therefore, whilst the run is unacceptable it isn't that damaging in the whole scheme of things. Fans are still suffering mass hysteria after every loss as if we were just 5 points behind Man City. It makes little difference to me if we finish 6th or 10th, except fans do not want the embarrassment of finishing so low, which i do not really think is relevant whatsoever.
So treat the league games as dead rubbers, friendlies, meaningless anything as long as the message gets out that it isnt the end of the bloody world. We have two games left in our season. The FA Cup semi final and the final verses Chelsea
I look forward to our summer but i make one plea. You can see how far we are away from winning the league so regardless of who we sign, please, please, please do not think we will win the league next season.
This time last year i was thinking with the right signings we could break into the top 4 and although i was confident it wasn't as automatic as many believed. There were far bigger issues with the squad that 4/5 signings couldn't cover.
Perhaps the fans who cant see further than the end of their noses are reaping what they sow and cannot cope with the armageddon that is 'wrecking' the club. Well those fans deserve it.
I will stay patient and continue to look at the bigger picture. I trust the owners. They want success and they will demand it. There will be no coasting with FSG around but there will be no knee jerk from them either. Thank God.
Bob the Red
Well said Bob. Totally agree. Unfortunately I am sure there will be lots that don't agree but they are short sighted in my opinion.
KJS
Great stuff. i totally agree. the only concern for me is that finishing so low (say 8th, 9th, 10th) makes us look to potential signings like a club in decline?
redpotato
Welcome back Bob - good to hear a voice of reason in the middle of this sea of misery! Nick.
Dont know if i agree or disagree Bob??
you are right to look at the season and point out where it went wrong,and how diffrent it could of been ,but to right us off, by not caring about the league,this i cannot do!
Rafa has had his chance and a 6 year barron spell,and the fact that the player no longer knew his game plans,(who could forget SG face when he was making changers)this should be enough, that Rafa was running on empty in the end.
Yes the FA cup seems to be the place where all are eggs lay,but the bitters spurs and chelsea arn't going to hand us the cup, and this is why i cant give up on league games.As teams who are winning are already on the next level, going into the next game,and teams who are lossing there heads drop as soon as a goal goes in. ie the second half at de toon.for this to be anykind of a good season we must finish as high as posible and above the bitters,and we must stop them getting the final.
Then we can go into next season with Kenny and the right signings, with a real chance of being a top 4 club.
REDMAD
I disagree bob. To say that our league form doesnt matter is a little negativist (especially for you).
I feel real sadness whenever I see we have lost to teams we should be beating easily in the league. Like the poster before me says...what if we get beat by everton or lose in the final? Surely our pride in the league is worth more than a possible place in the final?
Well said Bob- its not like we need a 500% improvement, we only need to get back to the way we played from Sept to Dec, and stick a few of those chances in.
I feel really sad to see the professional doubters out in force again- how can we expect the players to be loyal and committed, when we are screaming for their heads during every crisis?
Where were you Bob?
Great post.
LiverBird
06 Apr 2012 09:16:39
please macca at least mention two that will make a difference everybody knows that plans change quickly
thanks {Ed002's Note - The trouble is that everybody does not know that. Just have some patience.}
Messi & ronaldo la....
It's Soldado+Ozil or Soldado+Muniain.
Adam
06 Apr 2012 09:15:02
RE: Dries Mertens for PSV.
Lads, I thought I should set something straight about Dries, as there seems to be some reds thinking we are interested in him.
He is NOT, I repeat NO WHERE NEAR good enough for Liverpool. He is a striker by trade but played often on the left flank in a 4-3-3 at PSV, but if it wasn't for the service and link up play of Toiven en Wijaldum, he would stick out like a sore thumb.
So, if Kenny is looking at Dries then he needs a trip to Specsavers but I cannot imagine for the life of me that he is. Should Kenny be looking to attacking options, then he could better look to outside of the Dutch league, unless he wants to buy young and develop talent. There are very few who are anywhere near good enough.
I watch among others PSV live a lot, and Strootman is a decent enough midfielder. Better than wee-Jay, but no better than Charlie and Lucas in terms of talent.
One think we miss big time, is link up play between mid and attack. So am curious as to how Kenny will solve this. We desperately need a wide player, one who can dribble around the full back or play a one two and get behind the defence.
Secondly prio 2 is a striker who can properly link up with Luis and score goals. They wont come from the Dutch league.
(Mobile)
06 Apr 2012 08:59:33
Why doesnt ecclestone play? Hes 21
{Ed002's Note - Is this is based on a new approach of if he is old enough he is good enough?}
Maybe the poster is referring to the fact that he scores a few and has some skill and pace and should surely be given a chance. {Ed002's Note - That would need a "Dear Kenny" letter but I rather think Nathan Eccleston's career with Liverpool is pretty much over after his self inflicted would of a Tweet. We have been through this before and there is little point in opening it up again.}
Dalglish cant say that he is too young when henderson is the same age and shelvey is two years younger {Ed002's Note - Nobody has said he is too young.}
He didn't really set league one alight when he went on loan to Charlton last season to be honest.
Alex
Don't think Ecclceston is good enough! never have!
06 Apr 2012 09:08:31
Guys, please just ride the season out and use the time to fully support the club. Forget about changing managers, coaches stop slagging players and support them.
For any one running out at Anfield, being berated or slagged off is going to destroy their confidence. Use Saturday to support the team, we are all unhappy with the current situation, however there are and were signs of the improvement. We have an inexperienced team that needs our support, what they need now is confidence. Suarez, Carrol, Henderson, Adam and Downing all had very good seasons last year and now they are playing poor, the way they have been treated by some supporters may be the reason for their poor form. I am sure they were told before coming to Liverpool of our terrific supporters, and after less than a year we are turning on them.
Cast your mind back 4 months and the football we were playing was top 4 category, we just couldn't score goals. We beat Chelsea, Hammered Arsenal, Beat United, and won a cup.
We need to give the management the time to build the team, a couple more players in the summer, a couple of the young guns coming through and one more years more experience for the new guys should put us in a good position for next year.
I am sure Kenny and his team are the right people for the club, to gamble on a new manager now would be madness, just look at Chelsea. We need stability, and Kenny maybe the right man to give us the platform to move onwards and upwards. Its not tactics or poor coaching that is letting us down, its confidence, and a lack of confidence in front of goal. If we had a RVP this season im sure the likes of Carrol, Henderson and the rest would be flying.
We need a top Goalscorer and a creative midfielder in the summer, and if we keep the same style of play then we shouldn't go far wrong.
Keep the faith and support the team.
Evered
06 Apr 2012 08:54:53
Macca, you little tease! I love the little snippets you give us..........cheers mate
Crooky
06 Apr 2012 08:48:16
Higuain
Soldado
Oezil
Martinez
So out of those were trying to sign two according to some of the info from macca.prices will range from 20-35m so maybe we are selling carroll and suarez which will raise round 40-45m.DORSET RED
Selling suarez and buying 2 of the above mentioned players would be taking one step forward and 2 steps back...rather sell the likes of downing and carroll, we need to keep suarez no matter what if we're serious about making top 4
I'd rule Higuain out of those, first and foremost he does not want to leave Madrid at all. Secondly he has told people privately that the only team he would consider in EPL is chelsea and thats only if he is forced to move there. IF he leaves which is an IF in my opinion, he will more likely go to italy.
Nevada
06 Apr 2012 08:44:07
We really do need a re shuffle in the summer to reach the objectives and aims. 5 people that I would buy would be:
Moussa sissoko
Stephan sessagnon
Javi Martinez/ yann m'vila
Cavani
Pedro
5 players to get rid of:
Carroll
Adam
Henderson
Maxi
Kuyt
Obviously we are not going to be able to sign all of these players or even some of them but if we want to get back into champions league we need some signings!!
Agree with the player that has to go out, just have to add downing to the list, but the players coming in must be of a lot better quality than you mentioned
Agree with the player that has to go out, just have to add downing to the list, but the players coming in must be of a lot better quality than you mentioned
06 Apr 2012 08:33:07
Ins:
Soldado 20m
Oezil 25m
De jong 15m
Phillips 5m
Mertens 10m
75m
Sell:
Suarez 30m
Carroll 15m
Cole 5m
Kuyt 5m
Aqualani 4m
Maxi 2m
Ecclesto,amoo,darby 1m
Doni 1m
Aurelio free
Pacheco 3m
Jones free
Johnson 10m
Total 74m
06 Apr 2012 08:15:18
ed do u have a clue who the two players are who macca is talking about thanks {Ed002's Note - We are not going to travel this road.}
06 Apr 2012 07:42:03
IMHO I think FSG have not backed us enough financially. These boys recouped a lot of money in sales and my getting players out on loan. We have a small first team squad and because of that injuries have hurt us.
FSG are a business and they want big profits from Liverpool. With the poor league form they will realise this is not going to be easy and IMHO will look to sell us if the right offer comes in. Hicks and Gillet all over. Thanks a lot FSG
R u serious?
we are not operating at a profit so FSG are losing money everyday so even at that they are backing us never mind 130 million spent on players
We will probably see about 10 players on high wages leave in the summer and about 5 players in. This will balance the books and the squad....we are going in the right direction! PJRED
FSG could be the best thing that has happend to us. They got this club and invested a lot in the summer they seem like good guys. Im fully behind them
Red raj
06 Apr 2012 06:46:52
There's something wrong behind closed doors. .at some point we had Fernando Torres,Steven Gerrard,Javier Mascherano and Xabi Alonso all at the same time but yet the owners did'nt wan't to give Rafa that final push in terms of funds.He wanted Jovetic to play behind Torres and Dani Alves on the right wich could have 'maybe' helped us to clinch the title when we finished second and also convince these top players to stay with the club.Instead something hapenned that made everyone want to leave.Liverpool lack that final push in terms ov transfer dealings. .Arsenal where going astray and they bought 6 players to try and save their season,In January we wer in position 6 but still Kenny said he's happy with what he have.Raul Meireles had a terrific season. .but he too felt like leaving,now Suarez?We keep on selling top players at a lower price and buy flops on a higher fee.Henderson 20 Mill,Robbie Keane 20 Mill and Downing 20 Mill. .WTF?Sell Suarez and replace him with de j0ng?The team is going astray. .King Kenny is a legend but i don't think he's quite capable. .Turan,Ever Banega and Moussa Sissoko once issued ''come get me pleas''.Personally i would love to see Edinson Cavani,Javi Martinez,Krasic and Steven Fletcher/Adebayor bought in and Andy Carroll sold or loaned because the team don't seem to support the lad.All the players mentioned cost 80 Mill plus. .hopefully the sale of other players might bring it down to 60.Suarez playing off Cavani. .Martinez and Lucas holding the midfield,Gerrard spraying passes. .Krasic and downing tormenting full-backs.
Nile Anderson
Judging by what macca has said that soldado is a target while the other could be ozil, Munian or tello we are buying a far higher standard of player this summer
06 Apr 2012 06:11:33
Ozone theres a crop that will eventually take the title. Don't u watch Liverpool reserves?
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Yes I do, Are we on about the same reserves that got beat 6 nil by Ajax, wupped by Sporting Lisbon and who still fall short of Utd.
Ozone
They are a bit overhyped. Agree.
Theyre better than United mate. Give them some credit
Martin
The league table doesn't say that Martin.
Ozone
06 Apr 2012 05:33:43
All the great teams in the world have a very good squad except Barcelona but their first team is so good that they take a lot of pressure from the other squad players. But when you look a real Madrid, Man City,Man Utd etc they have excellent squad and even our first team is not good enough to compete with their squad players. We have some great players in our team some good but the rest are just below average. We need to bring very talented and hungry for success players. For that we need to spend money but very wisely. We have paid a lot of money for some players that won't even make to the squad of the teams i've mentioned above. If we think we are a great club and owners want to take club to new heights we have to get great players. Money can do anything. Owners have been great till now an we are really thankful to them for taking us out of mess but i would urge them to cut there losses offload the substandard players. We have to strike early and shrewdly in the transfer window. The BUY YOUNG policy is very good but we have lots of youngsters coming in from the ranks. We need experienced players also. If there are good players having 2-3 seasons left in them if available for reasonable money we should definitely go for them. Their experience will guide the youngsters also ans when the young brigade is ready these guys will make way for them.
If we still believe we are the one of the best then start thinking llike one of the best...!!
Musicnation
Agree but barca's squad is still one of the best tho! villa, sanchez, fabregas, pedrito, keita, abidal, masherano..... They're not guaranteed first teamers. plus their youngsters like tello, thiago, cuenca
them last three alone are far better than a lot of our first teamers
06 Apr 2012 04:30:41
who says raheem sterling is too young and shouldnt be forced into the premier league. he is 17 and guess what iker munian made his athletic debut on 16 yr and something. KK either give him and some youngsters a chance or believe in future even young players will hesiste to join the reserve side.sterling and suso should be given a chance.
redh0t
Yes before it's too late. people seem to think giving yongsters a go means sticking them in for 90 mins, week in week out. giving players 15-20 mins every so often will do wonders for them and the youngsters around them.
paul pogba and ravel morrison are/were two of the mancs top startlets and due to fergie not giving them a chance, theyre on the move. let;s not let this happen with raheem and co
06 Apr 2012 04:27:49
its gonna be soldado and munian that we are trying to sign, one as a striker and another a left wing, may be downing is gonna play the right wing if we sign munian. soldado will take the role of carroll so carroll likely to be sold or sent on a loan. To sign 5 players we need funds and i am sure if we have a resale policy then likes of kuyt, cole, aqua, maxi, spearing, glen johnson, bellamy(we are buying striker what is he gonna do), we gonna have more then 30 million raised from sales, hope we have a better side in coming days.
redh0t
06 Apr 2012 03:42:06
Dalglish will undoubtedly be given one more season which i think will be a success, we're only 3/4 signings away from being a strong enough squad to fight it out at the top... People must keep in mind deals for Higuain, Ozil etc aren't gonna happen unless we have CL football...
1. A striker, not an expensive one but one with ability and has started to perform consistantly such as Martin Harnik or Soldado.
2. An attacking midfielder, once again not an expensive one but a player that can make things happen, Shinji Kagawa or Arda Turan (worth a bid considering Athletico are in 7th in La Liga).
3. A right winger, Nathan Dyer (Swansea City) for me a player that can deliver, young, plays a system we're trying to, explosive pace and would be great value for under £10m, watched him at Anfield, he was unbelievable, gave our defence a horrible time. Also worth a mention is Toni Silva (Liverpool reserves) for the right wing next season, very good prospect IMO.
4. Left wing, next season Raheem Sterling should be given more playing time, Downing and Bellamy may keep him on the bench but he is one for the future no doubt.
5. Joe Allen from Swansea will obviously be a target, i can honestly see a deal being done with Charlie Adam being part of that deal...
What do people think... We want the right players used to playing the system Dalglish wants the team to play within around a £50-60m budget i feel Dalglish will be given this summer... I feel every player listed above improves the squad we currently have... Also there may be 5/6 players signed for the Academy this summer with several players on trial also a player from Mexico called Marco Bueno will sign this month.
Players to leave: Joe Cole, Aquilani, Darby, Aurelio, Maxi, Pacheco and possibly Charlie Adam.
Rocky
Why wud swansea want adam? He wud destroy their midfield.
Indian Buzzer
06 Apr 2012 02:58:35
I don't no about anyone else but got a feeling where going to start scoring loads of goals and win most of our last games... Just a gut feeling.
KingMiz
I think its just you mate.
06 Apr 2012 02:31:14
The 2 players Macca says someone guessed correctly are Ramirez & De Jong.
The two La Liga players he refers to im not sure of, but feel Borja Valero could be one of them.
Mick D
06 Apr 2012 02:14:57
Hi,Eds
Knowing that Moussa Sissoko preffers joining Roma.
Do you see LFC going for Gylfi Sigurdsson,22.?
Thx. {Ed002's Note - I cannot see how the two are connected.}
They both have a double "s" in the last name ed c'mon.
Square tomato {Ed002's Note - Well sspotted.}
06 Apr 2012 01:46:28
A lot of talk of Kenny's sacking. If FSG were going to sack him, wouldn't they by now? I think the fact he has not means they have already decided to keep hi
Why sack him when we are in a great position to win another cup. If they are going to they will wait till the end of the season
Speeds
Why wud they sack him now? Surely no manager wud wanna take over with just 7 games remaining. I think he will walk when the season ends.
Indian Buzzer
Owners are in a difficult position and sacking Kenny now would turn the supporters against them.
There are ways to start paving the way for a new manager seven games he arrives - and this team will not win the FA Cup -
06 Apr 2012 01:31:42
Suarez wont be leaving and certainly will not be joining real madrid, as his agent is pep guardiola's brother!
Dont be stupid, your correct about peps brother been his agent, but peps brother is also an agent for khediera, sahin, varane, marcelo, callejon, ozil, rodriguez and benzema. agents dont care about the club, they care about there player and more importantly.... money
Suarez is not good enough for Real Madrid.
Chuck Norris
06 Apr 2012 00:58:50
Get your fingers outve your a s Redmen.Whatever your feelings-For self,to move,pride,kenny,club-whatever-just do it
06 Apr 2012 00:57:14
I suspect that the two players macca is talking about are soldado and javi martinez, although i hope im wrong about soldado and i hope its llorente instead.
Am i warm macca?
Soldado and Oezil
Soldado is exactly what we need he scores for fun and is a fantastic finisher
06 Apr 2012 00:56:48
3-5-2 v Everton in my view. Doni
Johnson/Kelly- Agger/Coates- Skrtel
Stevie Hendo Spearing Shelvey Downing
Kuyt Suarez
Kelly skyrtl agger Enrique
Gerrard spearing
Hendo
Bellamy Suarez downing
Doni
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Henderson
Maxi Suarez Downing
Carroll
-------------Doni
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Hendo Gerrard Spearing Downing
-------Carroll---Suarez
Hendo tucked in with Downing wide left, its the lop sided 4-4-2 that we have played in 90% of the cup games and statiscally our best formation.
06 Apr 2012 00:50:31
Sell Carrol-(doesnt fit LFC,-woeful)-Say 10m,Johnson (seems to want away)-15.5m,Kuyt(seems surplus to plans)-5.5m,Aqua-5m,Cole-4m,Maxi-2m=42m,Owners reputedly giving 25m=67m.=x3 Top quality players(Striker,Right winger,and playmaker).Shelvey,Lucas,Hendo,Spearing,Stevie,Downing vying for 1st team.Promote Morgan,Suso,Coady,Sterling to bench.And surely next season better>Now i like Suarez,but partially cos doesnt score enough.Partially cosve damage done to club,if we decided to part with him say-25m=92m=x2 Strikers-50m,Right winger-16m,playmaker-20m,Either holdig mid,or experienced centre half-6m.Fantasy perhaps,but who would go for either option?Ie.With or without Suarez.Build new team of genuine class?And not just in odd areas-more complete
I agree with what you just said...But the question is should the money be given to Kenny?
Red PG
I don't think we need a huge clearout but hope we go after a couple of world class players. Downing, Carroll and co will not make us top 4. I think Soldado, Oezil, Ramirez and the like are possible and we should at least try for them. Also liked the look of Witzel from Benfica, the type of steel we need in Midfield. I also think we should be earmarking Roberto Martinez as Kenny's successor.
06 Apr 2012 00:42:24
who hit the nail on the head macca? :)
Bob the builder.
Mc hammer
06 Apr 2012 00:36:00
Hey guys,
Let me get this straight.
We are NOT a mid table club!
A mid table club is NOT able to pull off a kit deal for around 20 - 30 Million!
A mid table club has NOT hundred millions of supporters WORLDWIDE!
A mid table club is NOT going to be linked to the best talents around week after week!
We are LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB!
the most successful british football club in history!
A club in mid-table for two consecutive seasons is a mid-table club.
We are 8th and have challenged for the league once in 20 years. What are we then?
Kit deal is £50m per season... Unfortuntely at the moment we are mid-table, not where we wanna be, but luckely we have at least secured Europa League football for next season so players will still be very interested in joining the Liverpool, if we won the FA Cup aswell i feel players will notice the trophies and be persuaded to join...
Rocky
Idiot, real Madrid buy the best players and we don't because where a mid-table team. Americans con another bunch of Americans.
That whole thing about millions of worldwide fans, it sounds like bull. if we had hundred million when why didnt everyone put £5 into a pot and buy lfc from the banks. The truth is we have 80,000 fans max that are willing to pay for the service.
So give it up. where a smaller club than the fans think
I think we are a club in mid-table but we are NOT a mid-table club
NZL_red
I have watched Liverpool since 1955 and I am absolutely certain that the spirit and talent of this LFC squad in MID-TABLE
Some of our players are only good enough for mid table teams, Adam,Downing, Carroll,Henderson ( all bought to improve the team !! )
How can we compare these players with players we have sold over the past seasons,and expect to be anything other than average.
I cannot understand why we did not sign better quality players, especially after we had just sold all the rubbish previously signed by Rafa and Hodgson.
06 Apr 2012 00:22:16
a question for the eds, what is the real reason behind us selling glen because if it is his wages well I am sorry to inform the owners all good footballers unfortunately demand high wages and if they are looking at restructuring the wages paid by pool by getting cheaper players, I just think if we are serious contenders to fight for fourth then this is not the time to be lowerring the wages. Otherwise we will go out and buy mediocre players and we get rot in mid table for the next millenium.
Yes I know we do not have a bottomless pit of money but this is like winning a formula 1 race in a KA!!
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - because he is not good enough to deserve those wages, he is an average right back, end of.}
Glen Johnson is awful. Don't think av ever seem him cross a ball that has beaten the first man...
And to think kenny signed carroll makes me chuckle and ball my eyes depending what mood I'm in
Johnson is a defender that cant defend, he's good going forward but his job is to defend... Kelly is good at going forward but more importantly he can defend aswell and he's on less wages...
I think the owners have the right idea, they'll reward players if they put the performances in, like any job, if you're doing a good job you get a rise in wages.
There are better players out there for £5m in Italy and Spain, get rid IMO.
Rocky
I did not mean to imply that Glen was good and we should keep him on the contrary I do not personally think he is that good but I was trying to comment on the trend of trying to get the wages down which is worrying
Hibsylfc
I really think Johnson gets too much stick on this site. I also personally think Enrique and Kelly are not as good as some are making out.
Just my opinion.
Chuck Norris
05 Apr 2012 23:56:22
Ed, I read on another site that Gerrard thinks a bit too much of himself is that true? I could post what I read if needed.
Berry sXe {Ed001's Note - if you like.}
06 Apr 2012 00:13:47
Jamie carragher is the reason we have lost 8 out of 9
8 out of 9?? In actual fact we've lost 7 out of 10 games... The facts are there, our defence isn't the problem (33 goals conceded, 3rd best in the league), our home form and forward line isn't good enough this season, we create plenty of chances but our finishing in front of goal has been poor...
Rocky
Its kenny , i think he is a good man but he has the players every day if my team at work let me down like his lads have , i would be out the door.we all want lfc to be the best , if kenny wants to stay tell him to do it for nothing , see what he does then.
It's not the forward line, it's the midfield that is not working which ultimately is the heart beat of the team! Just needs some much needed steel to sure it up...a M Sissoko type player!
05 Apr 2012 23:57:46
We need to give Henderson a role in central midfield, especially against the so called lesser clubs. Livlord
Henderson needs to grow a pair, start being more confident and trying things and realise his potential.
Chuck Norris