Liverpool Banter Archive October 05 2010
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05 Oct 2010 23:35:00
Seriously now Tom & George back off the legal challenge to remove board members - no one likes you, no one wants you here. Grow a pair Tom and George do the honourable thing and go without a fight.
05 Oct 2010 23:34:04
I can't believe those dirty dying b* tards are trying to block the sale and remove Purslow and Ayre , what kind of f*cking scumbags are they?I hope to god them shower of b* tards Hicks and Gillet are ran out of the club and rot in hell, karma's a bitch and they'll get theres.
Theres a glimmer of hope at the end of the tunnel.
YNWA!
05 Oct 2010 23:26:04
I am hurting, all my life I've loved everything Liverpool not just the club but the city the people and even everton on their day .I ask a simple question how much does LFC bring to the local economy each week? And how much does EFC do the same? Most residents of this city our one or the other take out the these moneys from this city and effectively were f##k## as scousers we should demand that the local leaders see these both massive clubs as the life blood of the city and invest in them.May be 51% stake in both clubs with the remainder owened by the fans of both clubs , This way both clubs thrive on there own moneys all investment can be channeled into either the local community or relevant clubs .this could be done by creating a a fan tax my be 1p in a pound or even 1/ 2 p in a pound this over time would clear all dept and out both clubs at a adventage to the rest
05 Oct 2010 23:23:58
The news of two new bids for LFC on sky sports has been positive. But who knows when the yanks will leave the club and what damage will be done between now and that time.
Its sad to think that Liverpool were in a European cup final when the yanks first bought the club.
In my opinion LFC's problems arose when the yanks refused to give Rafa funds to buy Gareth Barry. If we got Barry and kept alonso everything would be different now as Rafa wanted both players at LFC, but when the money was not given to Rafa for Barry, he had to turn to selling Alonso for the funds.
This had to be done as the home grown players rule was first announced at this time.
Who knows maby some of these players could end up playing for LFC in the near future.
05 Oct 2010 23:21:50
I feel like kid at Xmas eve!
Finally something happening, I just hope it's the right fit for lfc and we build.
Realistic red (very excited!)
Ynwa
05 Oct 2010 23:20:54
OCTOBER 15th 2010. . TIME FOR THE YANKS TO F*CK OF FOR GOOD. 2 NEW BIDS. . LETS ALL HOPE WE GET PROPER NEW OWNERS WHO WILL INVEST IN THE TEAM AND BUILD US A NEW STADIUM. . WHAT WE DONT NEED IS HICKS AND GILLET IN ANOTHER FORM. ITS TIME FOR LIVERPOOL FC TO STAND UP ON & OFF THE FIELD AND UNITE. . Y.N.W.A. .
05 Oct 2010 23:20:12
". .At the end of this sorry saga, and dark period for our beloved club, I ALMOST feel sorry for George Gillette."
I'm with you my friend. I got the impression at the time of purchase that GG was a man of integrity and honour but he didn't have the cash to buy the club. He made the mistake of getting into bed with that utter scumbag from Texas and I do believe that GG was had over as well as us. I could be wrong but it's just the impression I have.
As they are all to happy to tell the world, everything is bigger in Texas. .including the size of sh1ts.
Do you all remember the PR exercise with him at home at early o'clock watching a match in his home cinema with his LFC mug?
What a tw*t.
Frenchy.
05 Oct 2010 23:19:27
WHAT CAN BE DONE!
Liverpool Football Club tonight issued the following press statement:
The Board of Directors have received two excellent financial offers to buy the Club that would repay all its long-term debt. A Board meeting was called today to review these bids and approve a sale. Shortly prior to the meeting, the owners - Tom Hicks and George Gillett - sought to remove Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre from the Board, seeking to replace them with Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutcheon.This matter is now subject to legal review and a further announcement will be made in due course.Meanwhile Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre continue to explore every possible route to achieving a sale of the Club at the earliest opportunity.
Author:Liverpool Football Club
for the first time in 25 red years , this is the first time i felt we have No dignity !
First time in all this saga i feel all my worst fears Are possible !
BRIXTON RED!
05 Oct 2010 23:10:53
Statement on the pool website meaning the silence is broken and the wheels are in motion, this is the final roll of the dice for the yanks and i hope they get chased out of town asap and this is not drawn out anymore than it already has been. it seems our terrible form has swayed in our favor concerning the sale of the club. always remember YNWA
05 Oct 2010 23:10:46
I would be incredibly surprised if what appears to be a last ditch attempt by the current filthy & immoral Hicks to reclaim the decision making power of sale actually succeeded.
It smacks of desperation to me.
Hicks has proved to be utter gutter scum.
I flush better than him. .and his poxy coward of a son.
Frenchy
05 Oct 2010 22:59:02
At the end of this sorry saga, and dark period for our beloved club, I ALMOST feel sorry for George Gillette. While Hicks has been scrambling about trying to refinance and making unrealistic demands for the sale price, Gillette seems to have accepted defeat and wants out. Hicks on the other hand seems to be like the dictator who knows he is losing power but is determined to keep hold of it, whatever the cost.
Hopefully with these two reported bids on the table, we can now move forward, give Roy some cash to improve the squad, adding two out and out wingers and a world class left back. The addition of the wingers would allow the re-deployment of Kuyt and Jovanavic back to strikers and give Torres and N'Gog some back up.
Let's hope this is the dawning of a new era. .
05 Oct 2010 22:54:52
The f'in scumbags! I hope all those accusing Purslow of being a puppet will hang their heads in shame. I hope to God he and Ian Ayre fight those two scumbags all the way to thecourts!
05 Oct 2010 22:54:50
To Blair Mayne YNWA
Hong Kong is part of china now u know. SMF
05 Oct 2010 22:54:24
Re the Liverpool Football Club press statement:. .
I find it thoroughly depressing, they are determined to hold onto the club and with the might of their money behind them (that will miraculously appear when they need to find a legal team) what chance has purslow and ayre got? Doesn't help that fans have been so blinded by SOS that they've spent as much time hounding Purslow.
Please please can someone think of a better way of putting pressure on them?!?!?!?!
The protests are too feeble to work. . .they're has to be a better way, there's too many reds fans out there (me included) not doing enough. . .tell me what we need to do, I'm desperate.
05 Oct 2010 22:54:00
Liverpool Football Club tonight issued the following press statement:
The Board of Directors have received two excellent financial offers to buy the Club that would repay all its long-term debt. A Board meeting was called today to review these bids and approve a sale. Shortly prior to the meeting, the owners - Tom Hicks and George Gillett - sought to remove Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre from the Board, seeking to replace them with Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutcheon.
This matter is now subject to legal review and a further announcement will be made in due course.
Meanwhile Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre continue to explore every possible route to achieving a sale of the Club at the earliest opportunity.
05 Oct 2010 22:50:23
Hi my name is lee
i posted comment on saturday about liverpool had been takenover.i was disbelieved by ALOT of people and someone was doubting my comment by writing about them. i think more belief should be taken into this page, i understand people don't believe things you say because of other people making up sh*t and i think common sense should be taken it consideration by some people. after looking a sky news this is the start of it and myself i think a press conference will be called tomorow or thursday that the club has been sold. i think people should listen to my comment what i make in future and should not just doubt everything i say because i can find out inside information before anyone public. . you should start clicking the BELIEVE button in future not the DISBELIEVE.
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after the takeover is done (only if it's happens between the timeline u've stated), come back here, stick ur neck out and a lot of people will be apologising if you are right. including me.
05 Oct 2010 22:50:12
Can you belive the yank trying to sack two of the board members and put his own son and some arse kisser (who probably nobody knows what he looks like because his head is so far up hicks is arse it hasnt seen daylight for years) in the boeardroom so they can block the sale,
05 Oct 2010 22:49:50
Liverpool FC statement
5th Oct 2010 - Latest News
Liverpool Football Club tonight issued the following press statement:
The Board of Directors have received two excellent financial offers to buy the Club that would repay all its long-term debt. A Board meeting was called today to review these bids and approve a sale. Shortly prior to the meeting, the owners - Tom Hicks and George Gillett - sought to remove Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre from the Board, seeking to replace them with Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutcheon.
This matter is now subject to legal review and a further announcement will be made in due course.
Meanwhile Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre continue to explore every possible route to achieving a sale of the Club at the earliest opportunity.
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Don't bother with the believe or disbelieve - this is lifted from LFC site. The b* tards ain't going down without a fight. How do the Purslow slaggers off feel now?? Who do you place your trust in Purslow or Mack Hicks. . depressing. I've been of the opinion that we should sit back and let the board sort it out but I think it's now time we got our gloves on get behind the current board and show the owners what we're really made of but please enough of the matchday protests and sit ins. . I don't have the answer but they're has to be a better way . .maybe now is the time for a total ban on the merchandise? Please please someone come up with a way of putting pressure on these 2 vermin.
05 Oct 2010 22:47:54
Any chance a protest can be carried out tomorrow at RBS branches to get the to support the three wise men if the bored
05 Oct 2010 22:47:29
Lads remember the date 5th october 2010.the day liverpool went into a civil war for the survival of our great club! !we need to stay strong, back cecil and ayre and pray to god we come out the winners.
05 Oct 2010 22:47:15
The new yank bid is apparently from the owners of the Boston red sox. . . Tom Werner est. worth $860 and John henry est. worth $600(2007).
As for the asian, no ideas!? anybody got a clue?
Hopeful Red.
05 Oct 2010 22:42:54
A report in the Guardian says that the Asian bid is believed to be Chinese IF you believe what the Guardian says?
Could this be Kenny Huang back? IF so then this could be bad news for us unless he has the backing of CIC.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 22:42:48
Check out the statement on the official Liverpool site
05 Oct 2010 22:41:10
All will be fine, i say again, i have been told quote "everything is going well"
I really believe that to be the case, . I believe that the americans will not be given any refinancing from any institutions from around the world.
At the end of the storm there is a golden sky. .
Macca
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GET SOME FRIENDS YOU MORON, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU DO NOT HAVE A SOURCE INSIDE THE LIVERPOOL BOARDROOM.
IF ONLY YOU NEW, PRICK.
NO BALLS TO SIGN YOUR NAME
Macca
05 Oct 2010 22:37:33
Liverpool Football Club tonight issued the following press statement:
The Board of Directors have received two excellent financial offers to buy the Club that would repay all its long-term debt. A Board meeting was called today to review these bids and approve a sale. Shortly prior to the meeting, the owners - Tom Hicks and George Gillett - sought to remove Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre from the Board, seeking to replace them with Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutcheon.
This matter is now subject to legal review and a further announcement will be made in due course.
Meanwhile Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre continue to explore every possible route to achieving a sale of the Club at the earliest opportunity.
LFC'S MANGO
Gotta stop Hicks nd Gillet fast
05 Oct 2010 22:36:14
Hi my name is lee
i posted comment on saturday about liverpool had been takenover.i was disbelieved by ALOT of people and someone was doubting my comment by writing about them. i think more belief should be taken into this page, i understand people don't believe things you say because of other people making up sh*t and i think common sense should be taken it consideration by some people. after looking a sky news this is the start of it and myself i think a press conference will be called tomorow or thursday that the club has been sold. i think people should listen to my comment what i make in future and should not just doubt everything i say because i can find out inside information before anyone public. . you should start clicking the BELIEVE button in future not the DISBELIEVE.
oh dear you are wrong see lfc site for official statement
stop posting tripe
05 Oct 2010 22:35:06
Liverpool Football Club tonight issued the following press statement:
The Board of Directors have received two excellent financial offers to buy the Club that would repay all its long-term debt. A Board meeting was called today to review these bids and approve a sale. Shortly prior to the meeting, the owners - Tom Hicks and George Gillett - sought to remove Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre from the Board, seeking to replace them with Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutcheon.
This matter is now subject to legal review and a further announcement will be made in due course.
Meanwhile Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre continue to explore every possible route to achieving a sale of the Club at the earliest opportunity.
Author: Liverpool Football Club
From the offal
/ Flixi
05 Oct 2010 22:35:02
And who said Christian Purslow was on the Yanks Side!
05 Oct 2010 22:34:56
Dont get too excited.
Liverpool Football Club tonight issued the following press statement:
The Board of Directors have received two excellent financial offers to buy the Club that would repay all its long-term debt. A Board meeting was called today to review these bids and approve a sale. Shortly prior to the meeting, the owners - Tom Hicks and George Gillett - sought to remove Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre from the Board, seeking to replace them with Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutheon.
This matter is now subject to legal review and a further announcement will be made in due course.
Meanwhile Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre continue to explore every possible route to achieving a sale of the Club at the earliest opportunity.
Liverpool FC statement - Liverpool FC
So there is definitely something to this then, that's good news. Equally good news is that Gillett and Hicks are clearly not in charge of this media release.
They're scared, they're moving up their attempts to get in their own s* tehawks so they can push through their agenda, if it happens we're f*cked but time is short for them. Hopefully it will be short enough.
05 Oct 2010 22:34:18
Well its safe to suggest that the chances of the investor will be unvailed shortly as harris has done what he does best an agreed a deal for lfc from his consortium, from a mate in the states has said that larry ellison is head of the consortium and have tabled 400mil and it will be accepted in the next 24hrs as g&h have no choice. good times on there way and expect a steady progress up the table, with a few signings made in jan one big name to partner torres and keep him happy
05 Oct 2010 22:34:16
Liverpool Football Club tonight issued the following press statement:
The Board of Directors have received two excellent financial offers to buy the Club that would repay all its long-term debt. A Board meeting was called today to review these bids and approve a sale. Shortly prior to the meeting, the owners - Tom Hicks and George Gillett - sought to remove Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre from the Board, seeking to replace them with Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutheon.
This matter is now subject to legal review and a further announcement will be made in due course.
Meanwhile Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre continue to explore every possible route to achieving a sale of the Club at the earliest opportunity
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It's offical thank you Mr Broughton, Purslow and Ayre at least you are trying to do the right thing.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 22:31:00
This taken from LFC website tonight, getting a bit heated in the boardroom me thinks
Liverpool Football Club tonight issued the following press statement:
The Board of Directors have received two excellent financial offers to buy the Club that would repay all its long-term debt. A Board meeting was called today to review these bids and approve a sale. Shortly prior to the meeting, the owners - Tom Hicks and George Gillett - sought to remove Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre from the Board, seeking to replace them with Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutheon.
This matter is now subject to legal review and a further announcement will be made in due course.
Meanwhile Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre continue to explore every possible route to achieving a sale of the Club at the earliest opportunity.
Author: Liverpool Football Club
05 Oct 2010 22:29:48
Cheers Blair.
To you American fans out there, what's the track record? Anything out of order? I've only heard good things about these guys.
Realistic red - ynwa
05 Oct 2010 22:29:39
Statement now on LFC website. Yanks tried to oust board prior to todays meeting to discuss the two bids.
05 Oct 2010 22:29:37
The owners of the Boston Red Sox have made a formal bid, according to sky sports news. What do you think ed, good or bad if the bid is accepted?
{Editor's note - Not sure, need to get some information about them}
05 Oct 2010 22:29:37
Have you seen the official statement on the liverpool web site, the owners are trying to remove the board, and the issue have escalated as a legal matter . . how bad ist going to get?
Ed: I guess this is what kept you busy all day
Roy
{Editor's note - I am not the Ed who follows Liverpool, he is out some where}
05 Oct 2010 22:29:20
Not sure about more yanks at the club, besides ive checked his profile and he is worth about $800 mil.i don't think he will have enough to get us on the right track.anybody have info on the asian bid?
05 Oct 2010 22:28:26
If the American offer is John Henry, he doesn't have enough money. Estimated net worth of $860 million. Simply not enough to build our stadium without incurring more debt.
Ed, if this guy is the highest bidder, is there any chance of the board stepping in to block the bid if he can't ensure he will build a stadium without borrowing more than he can pay?
05 Oct 2010 22:28:04
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Liverpool Football Club tonight issued the following press statement:
The Board of Directors have received two excellent financial offers to buy the Club that would repay all its long-term debt. A Board meeting was called today to review these bids and approve a sale. Shortly prior to the meeting, the owners - Tom Hicks and George Gillett - sought to remove Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre from the Board, seeking to replace them with Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutheon.
This matter is now subject to legal review and a further announcement will be made in due course.
Meanwhile Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre continue to explore every possible route to achieving a sale of the Club at the earliest opportunity.
05 Oct 2010 22:27:57
Hicks trying to get rid of martin purslow & ian ayre. with his son & someone else! last rites of this total idiot. on offical lfc site!
05 Oct 2010 22:26:41
Statement now on Liverpool FC site - G&G tried to remove Purslow and Ayres before todays board meeting. .
Ant
05 Oct 2010 22:24:11
"Oh god could it get worse. . possibly. One of the bidders is reportedly the owner of the boston red sox. Who is one of the 50th wealthiest . . . . . . . . . Bostonians! We're all doomed!
He's reportedly worth 800+MILLION. . . . .isn't our stadium alone going to cost around that?"
The stadium is estimated to cost ~300m and I would guess half of that will come from sponsors .
I will very much doubt John w henry coming into this alone, he more that likely to be leading a consortium of some sort, I think the Ed (baseball) and Sharkey may know more about him.
Roy
{Editor's note - The main Ed (liverpool Ed) is out atm, I am just covering}
05 Oct 2010 22:23:18
Please check out Dear Mr Hicks video on you tube and make sure it gets lots of hits maybe he will get the message
05 Oct 2010 22:23:07
Ha ha ha! The ed on here when asked for info on the takeover simply sticks his pencil head out of the window and enquires on his jolly good friend Walter if there is any latest! A few clever fans had the info and yet old brain box ed proves he knows jack as usual. Waster!
{Editor's note - Saying as the main Ed of the site has been away since 3 o'clock today and I am covering for him, I do know very little about Liverpool. I do not support them but have had to edit more than 100 posts today along with my other work.}
05 Oct 2010 22:19:43
Just been to watch LFC reserves tonight, Spearing was quality along with few others, some of these youngsters should be given a chance, the 1st team shudda gone to watch might have seen what desire & commitment means, finally I know where babel is playing s* te for the reserves he was awful, so lazy, what a waste of talent, bye bye in jan window get what we can for him
05 Oct 2010 22:17:20
Just watched mike jefferies video. v good! tom walk on & don't look back!
05 Oct 2010 22:15:39
I would like to agree with one or two people who are commenting on SOS and their protests. Since the emegence of this group the atmosphere on the Kop is in decline. They have cornred a market in self propaganda, they DO NOT speak for the majority of the fans. A march of 2000 people vs 45000 in the stadium says it all. SOS go the the same way as H&G. Out of the club, you will not get what you want. a seat on the board! Its very similar to the ultras in Italy who can be more than destructive. See what the Lazio ultras did regarding the Mihilovic incident with Viera, it is dangerous territory. No one would want to buy a club when a group of people are hell bent on having their names in papers more than the club, you will not drive out hard nosed business men so start putting your efforts into supporting the team in matches.
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MILITANTS. IRRELEVANT.
Just to follow up my post. Whoever added the words militants and irrelevant need to look at there history. They were not militants they were racist as seen in there reactions at Hellas Verona. Racism was the issue not militancy, and the concept of racism has nothing to do with skin colour rather. Remember Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, although anyone may be discriminated against on an ethnic or cultural basis, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination. Hicks and Gillet out or Yanks out you decide the difference!
05 Oct 2010 22:15:35
On an even better note. . .H&G may well be against accepting either of the 2 bids on the table but RBS can make them accept a bid or they can just take possession of the club in 10 days time anyway when the loan matures.
either way reds fans. . . . our club is sold!
YNWA JFT96
TOPCAT THE REDS FAN
05 Oct 2010 22:14:52
All will be fine, i say again, i have been told quote "everything is going well"
I really believe that to be the case, . I believe that the americans will not be given any refinancing from any institutions from around the world.
At the end of the storm there is a golden sky. .
Macca
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GET SOME FRIENDS YOU MORON, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU DO NOT HAVE A SOURCE INSIDE THE LIVERPOOL BOARDROOM.
05 Oct 2010 22:14:07
{ed's note - have you ever thought that you might be just holding up the sales process? }
Doesn't look like it
Steve O
05 Oct 2010 22:12:50
These two a* holes still saying they won't accept, are they for real! get out of the club you pair of con men! !
05 Oct 2010 22:11:38
Can anyone explain what happens if the three board members (broughton, ayre and purslow) decide to accept one of new offers but hicks and gillett reject the offer? Can the sale still be forced through or do we have to wait until the bank takes over? If they can force the sale through why don't they just do it asap ( providing they're happy with the credibility of the bid and their intentions for the club)?
05 Oct 2010 22:05:58
WHO IS THE AISAN BID FROM GUYS.ANYBODY KNOW.I DOUBT THIS YANK BID WILL BE THE WINNER
05 Oct 2010 22:05:27
A simple question
If everything is so wrapped up which is being implied by the rumours here, why does not some one from the board even give a clue about it? ?To be very honest we live in the 21st century where information to such big news is coveted at a very high price and tabloids pay huge money for any even stupid chunk of information to such big news in order to print it first.
I remember Kenneth Huang saga in august where all of us believed it to have happened due to tabloids but in the end it was only a farce. Tomorrow we have a conference (not on the LFC website but I may be wrong there). This conference could be simply anything as tomorrow is the deadline for RBS loans. RBS is a very huge brand and some one would surely leak it to the press for the money for this concerns LFC - - THE GREATEST CLUB IN THE WORLD.
Lets just wait another day hoping and praying for the best. I wish sooner the better but can't see it happening in such an ideal manner of discretion.
Sorry for being a pessimist but I am being pragmatic here.
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To be fair the board did say the sale process will not be done through the media. And they will say nothing until a fit and proper owner is found.
So hopefully we will hear from them soon.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 22:02:46
The American bid looks to be FSG (Fenway Sports Group) owner of the Boston Red Sox no news yet on the Asian bid.
/ Flixi
05 Oct 2010 21:59:33
A lot if talk on twitter bout American bidders, apparently they are the owner(s) of the Boston red socks.
Just passing on what I've heard.
Realistic red - ynwa
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Spot on Realistic the american bid is John Henry II co owner of the Boston Red Sox and an estimated wealth of $5.5 billion.
I think this could be the start of the aution that Martin Broughton was talking about.
Fingers crossed!
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 21:58:32
Oh god could it get worse. . possibly. One of the bidders is reportedly the owner of the boston red sox. Who is one of the 50th wealthiest . . . . . . . . . Bostonians! We're all doomed!
He's reportedly worth 800+MILLION. . . . .isn't our stadium alone going to cost around that?
Every silver lining has a cloud these days.
05 Oct 2010 21:52:02
A lot if talk on twitter bout American bidders, apparently they are the owner(s) of the Boston red socks.
Just passing on what I've heard.
Realistic red - ynwa
05 Oct 2010 21:51:52
Dear mr hicks is video on you tube Ricky Tomlinson should be actor on pic
05 Oct 2010 21:49:05
Proof if proof was ever needed listening to the eds on here is about as much good as believing in fairies! For the last month they have been telling us nothing was happening drone drone drone yet more than 3 fans have posted that the takeover was already done and yet despite all thier 'inside' garbage the know nitto! This site is pony!
05 Oct 2010 21:46:42
Can somebody tell me what the video called with the mike jeffries I can only see the interview with redman thanks klngplfc
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Go to Newsnow liverpool.com Kingplfc there's plenty of links there for the Mike Jeffries video.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 21:44:35
The U.S bid is from the owners of the Boston Red Sox. Just heard from a fan of them on TalkSport stating that they have done wonders for the team, winning the world series twice since takeover, renovating the stadium, investing in players. Just hope they will not be your typical yank businessmen, all gambled on debt. Surely the board would not have made the mistake of not doing their homework on the bidders :/
05 Oct 2010 21:43:36
05 Oct 2010 20:25:02
Liverpool are having a board meeting on Wednesday. No serious bidders on the table although RBS will take control of club. Also considering the future of Roy Hodgson
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Great rumour mate you should have waited an hour or so you MANC FOOL!
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 21:41:20
Boston Red Sox - reports that the owner has financial problems
PLEASE NOT ANY MORE YANKS!
05 Oct 2010 21:21:18
Two bids on table Sky News . .1 Yank 1 Asian
05 Oct 2010 21:41:20
TOLD YOU ALL SO! WE ARE BACK IN THE BIG TIME BABY! Bennyboy YNWA
05 Oct 2010 21:39:54
Hi its lee
i told the lot of you on saturday that liverpool football club had been sold and heres where its starting to come out if you watch sky news!
so there should be more belief on these pages and future belief in me as the lot of you have been proven wrong
05 Oct 2010 21:39:50
Us bidder is boston redsox owner net worth 800mil
05 Oct 2010 21:35:52
From sky news:
Sky News can reveal that the owner of the Boston Red Sox baseball team has made an offer.
That would make one of the bids from John W. Henry:
John William Henry II (born September 13, 1949) is a futures and foreign exchange trading advisor who founded John W. Henry & Company (JWH). He is the principal owner of the Boston Red Sox and co-owner of Roush Fenway Racing. In March 2006, Boston Magazine estimated his net worth at $860 million, but noted that his company had recently experienced difficulties.[1] In May 2007, reports in the Wall Street Journal[2] and Bloomberg noted further difficulties with the firm.
05 Oct 2010 21:33:44
This is theturdz speaking
ed get this on asap its masssive news on sky boston redsox owners bid for lfc accepted also asian bid on table its moving fast
05 Oct 2010 21:32:47
First post on here but just received a call from a friend at Reuters news agency. Two bids on table but one is strong favourite with major major backing. So relieved. My one and only post but thank god it's all sorted.
05 Oct 2010 21:32:02
Apparently there is breaking news, Boston Red Sox interested in buying LFC, apparently there's two bids on the table, and one is the owner of these. Literally just heard it on talkSport, so take it with a pinch of salt! But they did say that two bids have been accepted by the board, but, and here's the thing, the Yanks are not in favour of them. Surprise surprise.
el_kopite
05 Oct 2010 21:30:16
Just seen on sky news liverpool have accepted two bids one from americans the owners of boston red sox is one. . . is this good or bad
05 Oct 2010 21:28:24
A simple question
If everything is so wrapped up which is being implied by the rumours here, why does not some one from the board even give a clue about it? ?To be very honest we live in the 21st century where information to such big news is coveted at a very high price and tabloids pay huge money for any even stupid chunk of information to such big news in order to print it first.
I remember Kenneth Huang saga in august where all of us believed it to have happened due to tabloids but in the end it was only a farce. Tomorrow we have a conference (not on the LFC website but I may be wrong there). This conference could be simply anything as tomorrow is the deadline for RBS loans. RBS is a very huge brand and some one would surely leak it to the press for the money for this concerns LFC - - THE GREATEST CLUB IN THE WORLD.
Lets just wait another day hoping and praying for the best. I wish sooner the better but can't see it happening in such an ideal manner of discretion.
Sorry for being a pessimist but I am being pragmatic here.
05 Oct 2010 21:27:24
2 buyers have now had bids formally accepted, one asian and one from the U.S, Hicks and Gillett are fighting both but as of midnight tonight the RBS can take steps to repossess the club and force the sale through, as a result Martin Broughton will resign as chairman on thursday as his remit will be complete.
YNWA
05 Oct 2010 21:26:14
Can't see any videos on youtube. Post a link plz. .
05 Oct 2010 21:22:01
IF we finally get rid of these 2 parasite's remind me to send Dan Roan an invitation to the party i'm having.
Blair Mayne YNWA
PS. Anyone know if Dan Roan is even an LFC fan?
05 Oct 2010 21:18:31
SOLD! ! ! !
Red Ak1
05 Oct 2010 21:15:42
Bbc states
Liverpool's board met on Tuesday after it received two new bids to buy the club, BBC Sport understands.
It is thought one of the bids is from Asia, with the other from America.
A source close to the negotiations said: "Both would significantly reduce the debt and give the current owners their original investment back."
But the club's co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are understood to be opposing the sale of the Reds to either of the two parties.
Liverpool were put up for sale by American duo Hicks and Gillett in April with debts of £351.4m.
More to follow.
05 Oct 2010 21:14:10
Can somebody tell me what the video called with the mike jeffries I can only see the interview with redman thanks klngplfc
05 Oct 2010 21:10:12
BBC latest. 2 new bids on table.
CR
05 Oct 2010 21:08:45
Dan Roan's Twitter:
"Hearing 2 new bids for LFC - one from Asia the other US - board held meeting today - H&G understood to be trying to oppose"
05 Oct 2010 21:06:16
"Liverpool are having a board meeting on Wednesday. No serious bidders on the table although RBS will take control of club. Also considering the future of Roy Hodgson"
On the contrary , according to reports 2 bids have been accepted and the board to meet to discuss which one to go with, as always there is a but: the 2 american owners are not happy and trying to block both these bids, they claim the club owes them 150m and they won't walk without getting the money. apparently both bids will not give either of the americans a penny.
Roy
05 Oct 2010 21:05:44
Liverpool have been sold today. Don't know who to but have it on very good authority!
05 Oct 2010 20:59:56
Loving this website and the contributions on it, but people we might all be getting excited if we think that tomorrow the 6th or next friday the 15th, the yanks will be gone. they wont. Ive said this before on this great website i hope im wrong i really do. Hicks and gillett are not gonna go quietly, its a long bloody mess before those 2 C* TS have gone. .and it won't happen overnight.
05 Oct 2010 20:52:12
Just seen on bbc website. Liverpool board have recieved two bids for the club. Anyone know anything about them?
05 Oct 2010 20:44:30
Tariqpanja
#LFC news - two bids - 1 asian, 1 US - discussed by the LFC board and another attempt by US owners Hicks and Gillett to refinance blocked.
tariqpanja
Hicks and Gillett not keen on the offers. Have no further info on #LFC sale attempts. But sounds like it was an interesting day.
05 Oct 2010 20:42:15
Hodgson has GONE!
05 Oct 2010 20:37:34
Loving this website and the contributions on it, but people we might all be getting excited if we think that tomorrow the 6th or next friday the 15th, the yanks will be gone. they wont. Ive said this before on this great website i hope im wrong i really do. Hicks and gillett are not gonna go quietly, its a long bloody mess before those 2 C* TS have gone. .and it won't happen overnight.
05 Oct 2010 20:31:52
". .I live 100 yards from the ground and i've not heard any rumours about this."
Living so close to the ground, my friend, you would think you would be the first to know.
I'm in my 40's and I haven't heard anything either. And you would think i would coz i'm in my 40's.
;-)
Frenchy
05 Oct 2010 20:20:02
The Mike Jeffries anti-Hicks video available now. Just watched it very good and emotional.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 20:13:21
I agree with a lot of what is being said. Funny thing when DIC wanted Liverpool years ago, we sold out to these "GREEDY" Yanks. Simply stated: Look at the American economy and the very sneaky business going on all over the U.S. Yes it happens all over the world, but DIC WANTED THIS CLUB BECAUSE OF THEY WERE FANS FIRST! Just see the interview's with the Sheik Mohammed himself! I think he's waiting for it to default and then buy. Dubai has seen it's own problems, but this man is smart and WILL build a stadium with a capacity of 90K (This will lower ticket prices a bit and our global appeal will grow). . Another thing is. .ed. may be you can answer this? We had a tour in pre-season which brought in enourmous amounts of money and exposure, why didn't it happen again? (ManU went to the U.S./ Can because of AON, Standard Chartered's head offices are in Asia- Dubai!)
Since Paco has left after his dispute with Rafa, we've gone from 2nd place to 7th and now look. lol. Sammy Lee is not shrewed. Roy should only be given until January and if he's not succeeded, then lets hope the "shrewed-one", Martin O'Neil is available. Liverpool lack that cutting edge we had in the 70's and 80's with big bruising players and players that could play the wing with power like Barnes. It's sad what we've come to. Steven Gerrard is much older and we'll probably not see a home grown player like that for a long time again. STACK THE TEAM! BUY THE PLAYERS THAT WILL WIN! Real Madrid took a loan to buy Ronaldo and paid it off in a year just on Kit sales!. You're telling me we can't spend a 14 million quid on an Arda Turan? or a 15 million quid on a striker like Darren Bent? (like I've been posting on sites since on Charlton?). What about a 15 million quid on Ola Toivonen? COME ON TEAM! THERE IS DEAD WEIGHT SUCH AS BABEL, POULSON and sometimes even Agger and Skrtel. .come on! I love these lads, but as CB's I only see Soto charging the net since the Sami days? Arsenal buys Vermalaen, Kosceilny and they defend hard and score! Glen Johnson may have the flair, but he's not as good as Arbeloa and Finnan! They held their own, passed the ball well and didn't try to be Cristiano Ronaldo with the ball when on the wing; losing it half the time! Why was Insua let go? Why was Aquilani let go? and Aqua had a very good finish to the year! Good movement, good passing and was starting to get in the grove of things, yet we keep Lucas, buy Poulson and Meireles and we don't have a second striker or a winger that can put a decent cross in from neither wing! This is complicated for all us fans to digest. Forget the formations! Players play football. If a team mate is open and making a run. .look for HIM! Most of our players play with our head's down and look at young Arsenal-> Short passes, keep control, look for openings, players that don't have the ball looking for good runs (listen well Babel and Torres), not looking sloppy, putting a focus on contant movement and respecting the club they play for and the crest they wear! !. .That was Liverppol in the 70's and 80's!. . Now, as fans we get stressed when Birmingham come into town or a fixture against Stoke, Blackburn, Blackpool and for the future. .The lower teams playing in the F.A. Cup. (as we couldn't even take out Northampton Town). .
THINGS NEED TO CHANGE. .ALL THE PROTESTS IN THE WORLD AND THE FORCOMING OF A NEW OWNER WILL NOT DO THIS ALONE! The players must COME TOGETHER for the sake of the fans that they supposedly say the "love and respect". .Sometimes I find it hard to accept that they way they play, but for many Liverpool fans world wide, WE NEED YOU TO WIN. .THIS IS OUR CLUB, HERITAGE AND TRADITION. .PLEASE DON'T RUIN THIS! We have the best, supporting fans on the planet! Show love for the club and WIN clean games. .forget the ownership stresses and do it for the fans!
Come on lads YNWA
SHOW YOUR WORTH! !
SIM THE RED
05 Oct 2010 19:51:42
HELLO , ITS H66 HERE; YOUR TEAM AND CLUB IS GOING DOWN THE HILL, AS I SAID IT WOULD. . HAPPY DAYS, ITS ALL OVER. . . H66
05 Oct 2010 19:19:06
The Syrian snake charmer appears to be contemplating putting his hat back into the mix after revealing that the stars and stripes Burger munchers held him to a ransom of £800 million when he first showed an interest.
I reckon in the next few days a couple of sheeps eyes eating Arabs and chinese monkey brain eaters will enter the frame too.
05 Oct 2010 19:12:18
Yaya kirdi has pulled out of liverpool deal, citing the yanks crazy asking price as the reason.
05 Oct 2010 19:09:58
CONSPIRACY THEORY. . . .
Liverpool have been playing crap on purpose to force a sale in October, and will turn on the style and fly into the Champs League places inside the next 2 months.
Imagine it - Chaps League final when they took over, bottom 3 when they sold up 3.5 years later. A fitting epotaph for the Yanks!
Could they have been asked to play as badly as they have to force a sale at a cheap price?! Its the only explanation I can think of!
Tounge in Cheek Red
05 Oct 2010 19:08:31
05 Oct 2010 17:42:59
Talksport 7-10pm tonight looking at the situation at Liverpool. More nasty anti Liverpool bile. More wallowing in our misery. Cheap shots.
Apparently we haven't been a big club for 20 years. No PL title yes but One European cup 05, Another final 07 (consistently in Champions league for 10 yrs) , Uefa Cup 2001, FA cup 1992, 2001, 2006, League Cup 1995, 2001, consistently in top four and giving England some of their greatest players of the past 20 years (Mcmaneman, Redknapp, Owen, Fowler, Carragher, James and Gerrard).
Still not bad for a 'small club' is it Talksport.
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Oh God! Tony Evans of The Times is on as well.
05 Oct 2010 19:07:33
Hon Siu Keung/ EyePress News
Net Worth:$14.5 bil
Fortune:inherited and growing
Source:Hennes & Mauritz
Age:61
Country Of Citizenship:Sweden
Residence:Stockholm
Industry:Retail
Education:University of Stockholm, Associate in Arts / Science,
Marital Status:married, 3 children
Heads cheap chic fashion retailer Hennes & Mauritz; H&M known for bringing in big names like Madonna, Karl Lagerfeld, Stella McCartney and Kylie Minogue to design affordable collections for its 1, 700 stores. Opened first store in Japan last fall. Business holding up so far amid economic downturn; sales, profits up 13% each in 2008. Stock up 3% in past year but fortune dragged down by weak euro. Plans to create 6,000 new jobs, open 225 stores this year, including first in Beijing. Stefan's father Erling founded H&M in 1947; Stefan took over in 1982, gave up chief executive position in 1998 but remains chariman. Son Karl-Johan, 34, will become chief this summer. Stefan is a founder of the Mentor Foundation, nonprofit that combats substance abuse among youth. Enjoys downhill skiing, tennis and golf.
stefan perrson fact file is this the new liverpool owner one interesting point is stefan hands control of company to his son in the summer .this was written in november 2009 so summer of 2010 was when he handed over the reins.
with spare time on his hands is this his new venture ?
05 Oct 2010 19:07:10
Macca/ Aldo what's happening buddy?
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 19:03:05
I received a text during the world cup from a mate in Liverpool about Rooney/ Shrek being caught again up to no good which turned out to be true. I posted it on the main rumours site i recieved another text from the same friend yesterday afternoon and he said that the word round Liverpool at the momment is about this guy Persson (who he never heard of) buying LFC.
I'm not saynig this is true and neither is he but i've been to busy to read the rumours/ banter until today and i see this guy Persson's name with most rumours.
I still don't believe it but has anyone from Liverpool heard the same rumour? The 2 Liverpool ED's have you heard the same rumour?
Blair Mayne YNWA
{Editor's Note: I have heard nothing about this at all.}
I live 100 yards from the ground and i've not heard any rumours about this.
Sooty
05 Oct 2010 19:02:02
It's being reported today that Yahya Kirdi has lost interest in buying LFC which we probably knew he had none anyway as he still won't reveil his backers.
Has anyone else noticed that things seem to be picking up pace today?
The statement from Dan Roan on Twitter. Yayha Kirdi with drawing his interest in LFC (thank god) and now a so called crisis meeting at Anfield tomorrow. Any idea's what's happening ED before all the rumours start?
Blair Mayne YNWA
{Editor's note - The Ed who knows about Liverpool is not online atm, not sure when he will be online but will ask him what he knows on the situation}
05 Oct 2010 18:52:29
Roy Hodgson to be relieved of his duties at Liverpool with immediate effect. Kenny Dalglish to take temporary charge.
New custodians, new era, new coach?
Hodgson pencilled in for the England job next summer.
05 Oct 2010 18:50:21
Just listened to alan sugar on ssn. He's right time the players took a long hard look at themselves. I just keep askin myself this question if a new owner came in with wadds of money for the manager to spend in january, since last january who has played well enough to feel safe from the chop. Reina is only one i can think of. Any toughts guys
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Great shout! Pepe is the only one imo who deserve's to wear the red shirt at the minute and maybe Kuyt?
All the players are playing under severe conditions but these two guys as usual are trying to give 100%.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 18:35:44
Ed. just wondering about that bloke saying tours only available 10 till 2 does it have legs and maybe it means something?
and just wondering mate i know we all hate hicks and gillett that goes with me but does it seem that hicks wants to hang on to the club more than gillett?
also i would like to say how gr8 SOS are keep it going guys! us Lfc fans now have to stick together!
YNWA
{Editor's note - I am not sure I will check the site and get back to you}
05 Oct 2010 18:35:21
1st time posting, but long time reader.
Ed, please post this as I feel its all valid. Quality site and thank you.
Something that seems to be unclear here, people are having a pop at each other regarding their rumours, their source, what they said a while ago not happening etc etc, I am sure you get the idea.
I enjoy this site and ALL RUMOURS that are posted, even if they have been taken directly word for word from other sites - saves me trawling the sites for them!
This is a rumours site, any rumours - regardless of how strong or weak I want to read - this is my club and has been for 30 years! So please keep the posts coming and less of the bitching about each other - these are difficult and troubling times for our club and need to keep faith and hope that some of the rumours come true - like this Persson fella - who sounds like a good buyer, if he is!
I hope the sale of the club gets sorted sooner rather than later as it IS affecting the team and their performances - they must all be very uncertain about their futures, which would affect anybody.
I also agree with the protests, as long as we all keep singing for the players during the games.
Keep up the good work and thanks for all your rumour posts to date.
Thank you.
05 Oct 2010 18:35:19
Tours of Anfield tomorrow only at 10-2. Could this be an announcement of some sort? Here's hoping.
same for thurs and fri thoe
05 Oct 2010 18:35:14
"05 Oct 2010 17:56:03
Ryan Babel playing in the reserves tonight. . . . .does that not just sum up what Liverpool think of him?."
It sums up what two liverpool managers and two dutch managers think of him. So he should, in theory, tear a reserve team apart. Let's see shall we?
JF
05 Oct 2010 18:33:56
All I can say is that I usually find Sharkey one of the best contributors in this forum, while I can't say the same for Mayne. .
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Then the remedy you are looking for mate if you don't like my lies/ posts is don't read them.
Q. What's got 2 thumbs and dosn't give a toss?
A. Blair Mayne YNWA
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Blair Mayne steals jokes off scrubs. Well done.
05 Oct 2010 18:32:27
Tours of Anfield tomorrow only at 10-2. Could this be an announcement of some sort? Here's hoping.same for thurs and fri thoe
05 Oct 2010 18:32:06
Have it on good authority RBS will NOT refinance Hicks&Gillett-so LFC are about 2 become state-owned unless TH finds £ elsewhere-we'll see
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This is a quote from Dan Roan apparentlly on his Twitter can anyone check it out and confirm it thanks.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 18:31:05
Have faith lads.
Macca
05 Oct 2010 18:21:20
05 Oct 2010 17:42:59
Talksport 7-10pm tonight looking at the situation at Liverpool. More nasty anti Liverpool bile. More wallowing in our misery. Cheap shots.
Apparently we haven't been a big club for 20 years. No PL title yes but One European cup 05, Another final 07 (consistently in Champions league for 10 yrs) , Uefa Cup 2001, FA cup 1992, 2001, 2006, League Cup 1995, 2001, consistently in top four and giving England some of their greatest players of the past 20 years (Mcmaneman, Redknapp, Owen, Fowler, Carragher, James and Gerrard).
Still not bad for a 'small club' is it Talksport.
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Good Liverpool players who have played for England in the last 20 years must include Barnes, Beardsley, Mcmahon, Rob Jones, Mark Wright, Scales, Warnock, Matteo, Carson etc. Not bad for a 'small club'.
05 Oct 2010 18:18:10
The defeat to Blackpool surely has to be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Most of the squad looks disillusioned and neither the manager or training staff seem to have any solutions. I personally would have liked to have seen Jovanovic start on Sunday in place of Poulson, and for God's sake put Gerrard back in a position where he, and Joe Cole for that matter can provide Torres with the service to score goals.
05 Oct 2010 18:12:01
Just listened to alan sugar on ssn. He's right time the players took a long hard look at themselves. I just keep askin myself this question if a new owner came in with wadds of money for the manager to spend in january, since last january who has played well enough to feel safe from the chop. Reina is only one i can think of. Any toughts guys
05 Oct 2010 17:56:03
Ryan Babel playing in the reserves tonight. . . . .does that not just sum up what Liverpool think of him?.
05 Oct 2010 17:55:19
"Stefan Perrson seems clean unlike some of the other 'names.'"
Just to highlight the Perrson rumours been around since early July . with many posts claiming deal is done even back then (Google Perrson Liverpool) and have a look at forums.lfconline. I am guessing the rumours then and possibly now are just that rumours . I hope I am wrong , and he (or anyone)buys the club .
Roy
05 Oct 2010 17:54:19
Anfield's board
plan an emergency crisis meeting on
Wednesday.check Espn now. . .i can't wait
05 Oct 2010 17:54:15
Its being reported that there is an emergency crisis meeting tomorrow with the Liverpool Board. That doesn't sound like a positive thing. Anyone else hearing this?
05 Oct 2010 17:51:44
Guys come on, what am I reading?? Think everyone needs to calm down a little. Why would H&G want to hang on to the club for any longer than they have too? They are simple in it for a profit, right?
Well the way I see it, they have to sell the club now because with the club in the bottom three and not looking like things are going to improve anytime soon, it will certainly have an knock on effect in the value of the price. So whilst the clubs value is more than the debt it only makes business sense to accept a more realistic bid.
Think of it as a blessing in disguise!
The club will be sold!
The team will then turn things around!
We will not be relegated
New players will come in Jan!
And a new and exciting future for Liverpool FC will begin!
Keep the faith!
05 Oct 2010 17:47:24
"I'm afraid I also agree. I think Sammy could be a problem also. I wonder whether he is the one telling Hodgson and rafa before that certain reserve players like Pacheco and Kelly are not ready yet. Liverpool's current predicament is similar to Bolton when Sammy managed them and was sacked in the first few months of his first season in charge. He failed also when coaching England with Sven.
If Dalglish takes over i expect Lee to be removed or moved sideways to make way for the return of Thompson and Rush (maybe even Roy Evans?)."
A month or so ago I posted that I thought Sami Lee may also be a factor in the teams decline for the past 12 months . . and I got shouted at by a lot on this forum . I am glad more people is started to see what I did months ago .
I hope many will start seeing how out of his depth Roy H is at liverpool, the lovely man that he is, he is not a manager for a club like ours -
Saying that if we carry on like this for just few months more, the club will adapt to Roys standards and he will be an ideal manager to help us in the relegation fight, after all he have been there few times before with different clubs.
Roy
05 Oct 2010 17:43:15
BIG meeting going down tomorrow fingers crossed! !
05 Oct 2010 17:42:59
Talksport 7-10pm tonight looking at the situation at Liverpool. More nasty anti Liverpool bile. More wallowing in our misery. Cheap shots.
Apparently we haven't been a big club for 20 years. No PL title yes but One European cup 05, Another final 07 (consistently in Champions league for 10 yrs) , Uefa Cup 2001, FA cup 1992, 2001, 2006, League Cup 1995, 2001, consistently in top four and giving England some of their greatest players of the past 20 years (Mcmaneman, Redknapp, Owen, Fowler, Carragher, James and Gerrard).
Still not bad for a small club is it Talksport.
05 Oct 2010 17:41:35
I don't think Roy deserves all the blame for our form, there's only so much a manager can do. Too much emphasis is put on managers these days, when I think players should take the majority of the blame.
Reina - Bad error at the start of the season, but has bounced back well. Best keeper in the Premier League.
Johnson - Great attacking, a liability defending. I think we should try him out on the right wing and if he doesn't perform, drop him. We need consistency at the back, I think Kelly is more solid and will only get better.
Carra - Pains me to say that he's not the player he was a few seasons ago. I think this should be his last season as a regular starter.
Skrtel - Mixed opinions. He is a solid defender and good in the tackles, but I always feel that he will give away a penalty at any moment.
Agger - Our best defender in my opinion. Should be the first centre back on the teamsheet. Doesn't suit left back and is getting frustrated playing there.
Konchesky - Needs a run of games to settle, but, going by his form so far, not good enough.
Poulsen - Not good enough and only going to get worse. Shouldn't be starting any games.
Lucas - Poor defensive player, might be decent going forward but nothing to rival Cole or Gerrard. He's looked his best playing European teams, maybe he can't handle the physicality of the Premier League.
Meireles - Would fill the hole in the team Xabi left if only Roy would play him there. He's not a winger or someone to play off the frontman. Put him in the middle and let him pull the strings.
Gerrard - One of our only performers but can't do it all alone. Without investment in the team I'm sure he'll go in the summer.
Kuyt - Versatile, works hard and is a good squad member, but not technically good. Sort of player who plays to the level of the team he's in.
Jovanovic - Looks similar to Kuyt. Think he needs time to prove himself.
Cole - Not sure whether he's lost what he had at Chelsea a couple years ago, or if he's just in a bit of bad form, but he looks average.
Babel - Had plenty of chances now and still hasn't delivered. I've given up on him now and I think most people have as well.
N'gog - On form at the moment and has improved greatly from last year. No longer cringe when I see his name on the team sheet. He's fast, but not a great finisher and doesn't work for a full 90 mins.
Torres - Wrecked by injury? Not getting the service? Doesn't want to play for us anymore? Probably all of these. Even though he's playing poorly, he's still our most creative player, I'd rather have him on the field than our other strikers.
05 Oct 2010 17:36:57
Emergency board meeting tomorrow? Anyone else hearing that?
05 Oct 2010 17:32:46
05 Oct 2010 17:24:52
If you look at our full strength full fit first team which includes Reina, Cole, Gerrard, Torres, Kuyt and Meireles, absolutely no way is that a team bad enough to be third from bottom. Something must be wrong. Not just off field, but coaching also. I think they have given up on Hodgson and Lee (did you see the space they gave Blackpool). New custodians New coach? ?
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A new era, new coach. End this baseless loyalty.
05 Oct 2010 17:30:53
I know sitting in the ground after the match shows our unhapiness at the yonks. But honestly do you think it makes a difference?
Do you think Hicks gives a toss if we sit in the stadium for a week after the match. He isn't even in the country! (too busy trying to screw the club even further).
I know the protests are for the very best reasons but Hicks doesn't care unless it hurts him in the pocket. . The only way to do this is to not turn up at the match at all or all fans to agree not to spend any money at the ground/ shop/ online etc until he has got the message.
I know the team needs our support on matchday but we have to look at the big picture.
Kev the Red
05 Oct 2010 17:27:30
05 Oct 2010 13:58:50
05 Oct 2010 13:29:33
GERRARD, TORRES AND REINA STAYED FOR A REASON. NEW CUSTODIANS OF THE CLUB ARE ON THEIR WAY. WE MUST BE PATIENT. IT WILL HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER.
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Mukesh Ambarni
Stefan Perrson
Sheikh Mohammed
Kurahfi Family of Kuwait
Sharjahi billionnaires
Who does Keith Harris represent?
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Also why did Joe Cole come to Liverpool? He must have been told something about what will happen in the next month.
05 Oct 2010 17:24:52
If you look at our full strength full fit first team which includes Reina, Cole, Gerrard, Torres, Kuyt and Meireles, absolutely no way is that a team bad enough to be third from bottom. Something must be wrong. Not just off field, but coaching also. I think they have given up on Hodgson and Lee (did you see the space they gave Blackpool). New custodians New coach?? ?
05 Oct 2010 17:11:18
I think we should buy Forlan he is the type of player who will work wonders for us. LFC is a club who should be buying this type of player, a winner. If not we are doomed to mediocrity!
05 Oct 2010 17:10:50
I received a text during the world cup from a mate in Liverpool about Rooney/ Shrek being caught again up to no good which turned out to be true. I posted it on the main rumours site i recieved another text from the same friend yesterday afternoon and he said that the word round Liverpool at the momment is about this guy Persson (who he never heard of) buying LFC.
I'm not saynig this is true and neither is he but i've been to busy to read the rumours/ banter until today and i see this guy Persson's name with most rumours.
I still don't believe it but has anyone from Liverpool heard the same rumour? The 2 Liverpool ED's have you heard the same rumour?
Blair Mayne YNWA
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I honestly havn't got a clue about this rumour mate but like i said the same friend gave me the Rooney rumour and that was true. But he himself has his doubt's about this rumour but he also said it's the 1st and only bidder he has heard of.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 17:06:57
Hey not a rumour but just wanted to say I like everyone else is gutted about our team's plight I just really hope that something is done very soon so we can all move on and hopefully return to beter days.
Anyway any News on the Video upload from mike jefferies I heard it was supposed to be on the internet today ed?
I Hope Sheikh Maktoum buys Liverpool with his Personal wealth or the Prince of Saudi Can't Remember his Name Talaweed or something please GOD! !
THank You PLease :)
P.S Ed Love the Sight Keep Check of It Most Days But Would love To See A PresS Conference Very soon with A New Owner ha .
05 Oct 2010 17:04:24
It's no good getting rid of Roy at the moment, be careful what you wish for! What's the point of Dalglish taking the reigns? He probably wouldn't of done any worse, but the question is, could he have done better?
Does anyone else think Torres is a liability?
Gav the red
05 Oct 2010 16:59:56
If liverpool get taken over soon, i'll expext this in the summer transfer window.
We only need certain players, and this is what i think should happen.
Manager: Kenny Dalglish
Reina
Johnson Agger Hangelaand Bale
Bentley Gerrard Meireles Mata
Torres Dzeko
Bale at left back? He's a world class left winger, but at left back I think he's a bit suspect. Plus I don't think he'd come to us. He's a tailor made replacement for Ryan Giggs at Man U and I think that's where he'll end up.
Bentley and Hangelaand? If we're buying Bale, Mata and Dzeko why would we buy these average players? and why would we keep johnson at rb.
Also, I think 4-4-2 will be dead soon, it's not flexible enough and is easy to break down. However, with the players we have atm, a variation of 442 would probably suit us best. or a more attacking 4-5-1.
05 Oct 2010 16:52:16
Who agree's with me that christian Poulsen and Lucas are simply not good enough and very much so not Liverpool standard. . these kind of players the past and present managers are bringing in are totally and utterly outrageous. . bring in new owners as soon as possible and maybe things will change hopefully !
05 Oct 2010 16:51:08
05 Oct 2010 15:13:54
I received a text during the world cup from a mate in Liverpool about Rooney/ Shrek being caught again up to no good which turned out to be true. I posted it on the main rumours site i recieved another text from the same friend yesterday afternoon and he said that the word round Liverpool at the momment is about this guy Persson (who he never heard of) buying LFC.
I'm not saynig this is true and neither is he but i've been to busy to read the rumours/ banter until today and i see this guy Persson's name with most rumours.
I still don't believe it but has anyone from Liverpool heard the same rumour? The 2 Liverpool ED's have you heard the same rumour?
Blair Mayne YNWA
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IT'S SERIOUS. ONE OF THE MAIN BIDDERS.
05 Oct 2010 16:48:02
05 Oct 2010 16:18:27
Steffan Persson buying Liverpool with thee price set at £420m.Should be announced before the 15th.
Right person wrong club. Steffen is in talks with Bill Kenwright.
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05 Oct 2010 16:34:41
I am bored senseless sat in Inverness airport awaiting my flight back to manchester so i log on to see any news.
as usual people not ITK telling us all they are ITK and hes buying us hes not buying us it will be done this week next week or even last week. At the risk of repeating myself(see previous posts) the deal will be done when it is done STOP this incessant need to belive in fairytales, let the board do their job an the deal will be done when it is done and we will have new owners whoever they maybe
as for the protests i feel that before games protesting about the yanks does reduce the atmosphere and commitment of the fans towards the team on matchdays, i think as many have suggested protest after the match but before and during show the team, the boss and the world Liverpool fans are proud of their team and will support them through the wind and rain an we will hold our head up high(even those of us who live and work in manchester- and believe me it is tough at the moment) andd maybe we will just inspire them to a victory or two and start to rebuild the self confidence that is so clearly lacking at the moment.
i have supported liverpool for 40 years and through some really great times so to repay all those glory nights home and in europe i will sing and shout even louder than i did on nights against st etienne, ac milan and too many more to mention because right now my team need me - its so easy to support the team when we are winning but liverpool fans are not glory hunters, this club is my life wether they play the greatest football ever seen(forest 5-0, tottenham 7-0) or are as poor as we have been against blackpool, northampton remember barnsley and i will support them until i die because liverpool will still be here and still be the greatest club with the greatest fans long after my sons son has passed
YNWA
bigg2966
05 Oct 2010 16:08:32
If liverpool get taken over soon, i'll expext this in the summer transfer window.
We only need certain players, and this is what i think should happen.
Manager: Kenny Dalglish
Reina
Johnson Agger Hangelaand Bale
Bentley Gerrard Meireles Mata
Torres Dzeko
05 Oct 2010 16:07:46
Hopefully this international break will be a good thing. roy has got til the 17th to watch the tapes, and rethink his options. with a bit of luck he will notice although johnson is a huge liability in defence, but his crossing has improved and he has the ability to go passed people so try him at rb. we have konchesky, aurelio and mavinga at lb hope he plays 1 of them, though i admit perhaps this derby will be to tough mavinga. in the past i have said drop carra but he has to play, instead drop skrtel and play agger. if poulsen starts we are in big trouble he is to slow, it has to be gerrard and meireles. play 1 of kuyt and cole on the left, and the other as 2nd striker. for me jova will have to play upfront, this game i going to be tough and i feel ngog and babel would be bullied. i know im rambling, and what do i know i'm just a bricklayer lol.
ed would any of this work and great site by the way
always a red
05 Oct 2010 16:04:45
Ed's note - have you ever thought that you might be just holding up the sales process? Only what buyer wants a club which has fans who are likely to turn on him when things aren't going well? The protests before a match do nothing but destroy the atmosphere and sap the confidence out of the players.}
Absolutely spot on Ed, the protest and the protesters have gotten out of hand and are doing more damage to the club on and off the field than even the Yonks. Negative effect on the players and negative effect on potential buyers, but they are too blinded by their own self-importance to understand that.
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Me personally i don't think they are scaring of bidders/ buyers. Like you've said yourself ED there's at least 2 bidders at the table waiting for RBS to take control and get the club a lot cheaper. Don't forget Sheikh Mohammed offered 500 mill for the club when the protests were gathering momentum.
If anything the protests have been aimed at H&G and their attempts to refinance and IF they succeed i for one will be singing their praise's.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 16:02:33
"I know that the majority on this site won't agree with me, but i am a realist - LFC is in decline and noamount of wishful thinking will change that. If we do get new owners then it could take years to build us again - not the January transfer window as you all say. It will be too late by then to attract the stars as why would then come to LFC who may be fighting relegation.
Press believe to support my views
Press unbelieve to carry on dreaming"
No, you're not as smart as you think you are. Remember how recently Spurs looked down and out and then "Arry" rescued them? Not only is the core of this team still stronger than the likes of Spurs but there is a really decent bunch of youngsters coming through. A half-decent manager would at least have us in the dog-fight for 4th to 6th position.
05 Oct 2010 15:59:25
Ed & Sharkey,
Thanks for your response to my queries about the dates (6th, 16th, 29th Oct). Helps put some realism on proceedings.
Thanks lads.
Red Gart
05 Oct 2010 15:57:24
"What say ED! {ed's note - what we need is an FA who stands up to Fergie and punishes him for his actions. Our manager should be far too busy managing our team to worry about the bile spouted from the drunken fool.}"
True to an extent but can you imagine what Shanks would have said?? More likely his reply would have been, and I quote "only a drunken fool would say that Torres is a cheat". QED.
05 Oct 2010 15:53:54
"I'm afraid I also agree. I think Sammy could be a problem also. I wonder whether he is the one telling Hodgson and rafa before that certain reserve players like Pacheco and Kelly are not ready yet. Liverpool's current predicament is similar to Bolton when Sammy managed them and was sacked in the first few months of his first season in charge. He failed also when coaching England with Sven.
If Dalglish takes over i expect Lee to be removed or moved sideways to make way for the return of Thompson and Rush (maybe even Roy Evans?)."
I have a similar negative feeling about Sammy although very little evidence to support that view. If nothing else, I don't think he has the balls to stand up to his manager and tell him if he disagrees (how else could he have worked for Big (Idiot) Sam?
I feel Roy needs to be shafted now before he causes more damage, including an exodus of top players. And thinking about the calls for Kenny to take over despite so many years outside of management. . .I'm wondering whether the solution isn't to dump Sammy and get Kenny to work with Roy. the upside being that if Kenny feels Roy is doing the wrong thing he can at any time resign, which would give management a good reason to drop Roy and then appoint Kenny in his place. Or make Kenny director of football and tell Roy he reports to Kenny.
05 Oct 2010 15:51:13
Ed. what do you think of koptalk new headline '3 interested parties' do you think it is true?
{Editor's Note: For want of a number, possibly. There are interested parties. One or more will want to buy the club from the owners; one or more will want to buy the club from the banks; one or more will want to buy the debt from the bank.)
05 Oct 2010 15:39:02
When do you think the takeover will happen? do you Hicks will be able to refinance using the club as collateral.
We need the situation sorted quickly, if it's still the same next month I fear for our future. The club will not be able to pay the interest on the loans, star players will have to be sold and at reduce prices.
05 Oct 2010 15:38:30
{ed's note - have you ever thought that you might be just holding up the sales process? Only what buyer wants a club which has fans who are likely to turn on him when things aren't going well? The protests before a match do nothing but destroy the atmosphere and sap the confidence out of the players.}
Absolutely spot on Ed, the protest and the protesters have gotten out of hand and are doing more damage to the club on and off the field than even the Yonks. Negative effect on the players and negative effect on potential buyers, but they are too blinded by their own self-importance to understand that.
05 Oct 2010 15:34:48
ED, do you know who is Phil Thompson?Anyone know?
05 Oct 2010 15:34:48
"I would like to agree with one or two people who are commenting on SOS and their protests. Since the emegence of this group the atmosphere on the Kop is in decline. They have cornred a market in self propaganda, they DO NOT speak for the majority of the fans. A march of 2000 people vs 45000 in the stadium says it all. SOS go the the same way as H&G. Out of the club, you will not get what you want. a seat on the board! Its very similar to the ultras in Italy who can be more than destructive. See what the Lazio ultras did regarding the Mihilovic incident with Viera, it is dangerous territory. No one would want to buy a club when a group of people are hell bent on having their names in papers more than the club, you will not drive out hard nosed business men so start putting your efforts into supporting the team in matches.
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MILITANTS. IRRELEVANT."
Amen to that, never a truer word said!
05 Oct 2010 15:31:22
"
It is hard to figure out if this is simply scaremongering or a poor attempt at explaining the situation. Yet again I assume it is meant to whip the populous in to action against the owners. I was accused by Blair Mayne of supporting Tom Hicks and worse last week and it was made clear that I should h*ck off away from his site etc. Generally I am pleased to do that, but seeing this post, it is worth pointing out at least one major failing.
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I never told you to f*ck off Sharkey. It sounded like you were trying to stick up for Hicks only because he was American and some of your posts sounded arrogant. I didn't say they were arrogant they just sounded arrogant.
Then you take a hissy fit and disappear into the night like the Scarlet Pimpernel!
Welcome back YANK! lol
Blair Mayne YNWA"
All I can say is that I usually find Sharkey one of the best contributors in this forum, while I can't say the same for Mayne. .
05 Oct 2010 15:09:35
05 Oct 2010 14:24:54
Steffan Persson buying Liverpool with thee price set at £420m.Should be announced before the 15th.
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Where did the name Stefan Person come from?? Got bored and sifted through Forbes rich billionaires or is there something there?
05 Oct 2010 15:09:26
To the person who posted this:
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To Red Trader, who wrote this:
Lots of big bets being placed on Hicks getting re-financed, price being cut at bookeis, bets from£300 to£1000 being placed, gossip going round most square mile offices, mobils ringing all over the place same call, get on get on! that's all im hearing, most of the saff is this office are on already, sitting rubbing there greedy hands, if this is true wre h*cked Red Trader.
Learn how to spell, and then we might believe that you actually work in such an office. .
No bank in their right mind would refinance Hicks, especially in the current market. . the value of the asset is too close to the value of the debt. The LVR is far too high
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You are correct to dismiss RedTrader as a hoax. I haven't added anything to this site for long while now as I moved onto a new project once a certain Chinese bid was out on hold. I can confirm that I work with a legal firm, in the City and, as such, am privy to much information regarding the sale of LFC. There is NO rush to place bets on a favourable outcome for Tom Hicks' attempted refinance. And the reason you give - high LTV - is just part of this.
I said last time that a sale was near - it was - until the major players, both of them, backed away. That was because they decided to wait for the Oct deadline. But there is also a MASSIVE discrepancy in the books - and DD has highlighted it. It is yet another reason that Hick's won't get his new money. There may also be a prosecution pending - both in the States, due to new tax haven laws, and here in the UK, under company law. This is something I understand to be accurate and current.
As for potential sales - I have moved to another project, as stated, but ALL legal issues surrounding the sale of LFC are being handled by this firm. There are only two serious bids being considered - with most private players waiting until RBS announce administration for Kop Holdings (Cayman). This WILL happen, and RBS will take LFC -the club - in return.
The issue of points deducted is not something I'm party to but I do know that the Premier League and RBS have conversed over the issue. The Premier League have also intimated to RBS that they would support the removal of H&G, and that they are willing to offer their support in the event of any legal challenges. This support is directly linked to the Premier leagues 'fit and proper persons' directive.
The two interested parties that we KNOW of are BOTH from the Middle East.
As I've stated in the past - believe what you like. I DO work in the City and I DO have some knowledge. I am also a concerned fan.
05 Oct 2010 14:57:43
05 Oct 2010 14:24:54
Steffan Persson buying Liverpool with thee price set at £420m.Should be announced before the 15th.
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05 Oct 2010 14:57:41
AH blair an sharkey had lovers tiff an i tot was a marrage made in brown nose heaven! yonks out sorry sharkey ynwa. . .ever! ! !
05 Oct 2010 14:56:38
It has become clear over the past few days that there are serious efforts being made to continue to mislead Liverpool fans, to constantly agitate a difficult situation and to agitate matters concerning the players and the coaching staff in some misguided attempt to oust the existing owners. Somehow, it has been forgotten that the owners are attempting to sell the club and the efforts of the fans are making matters worse. The fans should be bright enough to figure that out. They should also be bright enough to figure out that the team and the staff need the fan's support at games, but they continue to make life difficult.
Sharkey.
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Definately agree with this, the protests are only hurting us in term of taking emphasis off supporting the team. Protests will prove nothing or change nothing in any takeover situation. Business is business & protests will not change a thing.
Sorry but i'm in total agreement with the above statement from "Sharkey".
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I totally disagree with what Sharkey has said!
We know for a fact that Hicks has been trying to refinance. Blackstone told Hicks were to go they said "It was a buisness decision" which was a lie as one of their top men (can't rember his name) had telephoned a member of a fans group and said they couldn't believe the response i.e e.mails and telephone calls they have recieved from irrate LFC fans about the reprecussions IF they did refinance Hicks. So if this is true (which i think it is) then how can you say Sharkey "have we forgot that the owners are trying to sell the club" and at the same time they are trying to refinance.
It's simple Sharkey if the owners wern't trying to refinance then there would be no protests.
Have you forgot that the owners put the club up for sale in April and then tried to refinance in June only to be blocked by the other members of the board.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Oct 2010 14:54:21
It has become clear over the past few days that there are serious efforts being made to continue to mislead Liverpool fans, to constantly agitate a difficult situation and to agitate matters concerning the players and the coaching staff in some misguided attempt to oust the existing owners. Somehow, it has been forgotten that the owners are attempting to sell the club and the efforts of the fans are making matters worse. The fans should be bright enough to figure that out. They should also be bright enough to figure out that the team and the staff need the fan's support at games, but they continue to make life difficult.
Sharkey.
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Definately agree with this, the protests are only hurting us in term of taking emphasis off supporting the team. Protests will prove nothing or change nothing in any takeover situation. Business is business & protests will not change a thing.
Sorry but i'm in total agreement with the above statement from "Sharkey".
Irish Kev
Ed/ Anyone Re: the above. Do you remember last season we were going through another bad patch when before one home game a number of fans welcomed the players coach like it was an old european night with banners, scarves and a rowdy rendtion of YWNA. DOes anyone know who we could contact to get this done again for the next home game? Lets forget about the takeover crap before the game support the players through the game to try and generate a feel good supportive atmoshpere. After the game we can then make our point about the ownership of the club.
RedDan
05 Oct 2010 14:43:56
In response to this:
Lots of big bets being placed on Hicks getting re-financed, price being cut at bookeis, bets from£300 to £1000 being placed, gossip going round most square mile offices, mobils ringing all over the place same call, get on get on! that's all im hearing, most of the saff is this office are on already, sitting rubbing there greedy hands, if this is true wre h*cked Red Trader.
Who are these 'bookies' because not in a million years will you be able to walk into Ladbrokes or William Hill and get a bet on this. This market would not exist. Granted there are hundreds of internet bookies but once again they will not bother with a market like this. Ask your 'greedy trader' mates who they bet with and at what price because I want to have look myself. Quite frankly you haven't got a clue.
05 Oct 2010 14:06:11
05 Oct 2010 13:49:22
05 Oct 2010 12:50:57
I would like to agree with one or two people who are commenting on SOS and their protests. Since the emegence of this group the atmosphere on the Kop is in decline. They have cornred a market in self propaganda, they DO NOT speak for the majority of the fans. A march of 2000 people vs 45000 in the stadium says it all. SOS go the the same way as H&G. Out of the club, you will not get what you want. a seat on the board! Its very similar to the ultras in Italy who can be more than destructive. See what the Lazio ultras did regarding the Mihilovic incident with Viera, it is dangerous territory. No one would want to buy a club when a group of people are hell bent on having their names in papers more than the club, you will not drive out hard nosed business men so start putting your efforts into supporting the team in matches.
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I'm afraid our advantage of playing at Anfield is been taken away from the team. As the poster above states it is destructive.
05 Oct 2010 14:03:05
Fantastic site. But I wonder whether some players read it. Hardly any wonder why confidence is so low.
05 Oct 2010 13:59:09
QUOTE "Unlike septic tanks who will say one thing then shaft you as soon as your back is turned."
I think you're doing the 'septic tanks' a great dis-service. They are so arrogant that they won't wait for your back to turn, they'll shaft you there and then and only when you turn your back, they see a fresh side to shaft.
Bob the Red
05 Oct 2010 13:56:17
Thought i'd just post something.
Dec 1992 went to see Liverpool get dicked 5-1 at Coventry
Apr 1999 went to see Liverpool pathetically labour to a 2-0 home defeat by Leicester
Feb 2005 went to see Liverpool roll over and get pummelled 2-0 away at Birmingham.
My point is, i've been here before and we rose from the ashes of dark times. You can get no darker than December 1992, trust me. . unless of course we draw Coventry in the 3rd Round in Jan 2011?? ? ?
Bob the Red
{Editor's Note: You seem to be something of a bad omen when going to games Bob.}
05 Oct 2010 13:44:33
05 Oct 2010 01:29:21
It has become clear over the past few days that there are serious efforts being made to continue to mislead Liverpool fans, to constantly agitate a difficult situation and to agitate matters concerning the players and the coaching staff in some misguided attempt to oust the existing owners. Somehow, it has been forgotten that the owners are attempting to sell the club and the efforts of the fans are making matters worse. The fans should be bright enough to figure that out. They should also be bright enough to figure out that the team and the staff need the fan's support at games, but they continue to make life difficult.
Sharkey.
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Definately agree with this, the protests are only hurting us in term of taking emphasis off supporting the team. Protests will prove nothing or change nothing in any takeover situation. Business is business & protests will not change a thing.
Sorry but i'm in total agreement with the above statement from "Sharkey".
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05 Oct 2010 13:42:26
Re:
I'm as upset as everyone else about the state the club is in and I mostly blame the yanks too but I think some fans need to take a reality check. Football is important to us but wanting somebody to die for it is insane. Anyone who pressed believeable to that post is far worse than the yanks
I would agree that football is not as important as life and death despite what Shankly said. However Tom Hicks has demonstrated to be someone who puts their own financal greed above the interests of hundreds of thousands of people and potentially the livelihoods of some. People with attitudes like that are the reason the world is in the s* t state it is and hoping that someone has a slow and painful death is nothing like as bad as actively screwing ordinary people for sheer greed.
Bob
05 Oct 2010 13:27:52
04 Oct 2010 23:43:15
All this Stefan Persson talk was doing the rounds in various forums in July with people claiming then an announcement the next day. I therefore reckon this is just random rumour diffusion rather than having any basis in reality.
Shame though, having worked for a Swedish company I can say hand on heart that their business culture is one of honesty. They don;t always make good decisions and never make quick ones but if they say they are going to do something then they will keep their word. Unlike septic tanks who will say one thing then shaft you as soon as your back is turned.
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NOT SO SURE THIS IS A DIFFUSION. BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT SWEDISH BUSINESS CULTURE OF HONESTY. ALSO LIVERPOOL ARE THE TEAM MOST SWEDES SUPPORT. LIVERPOOL ARE ADMIRED FOR THE CULTURE, ETHOS AND COMMUNITY BASED ETHICS OF THE CLUB BEFORE FEB 2007.
PERRSON IS SERIOUSLY WEALTHY - LET'S GET ALONSO BACK IN JANUARY!
05 Oct 2010 13:24:38
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Hello Fabian,
I meant the apologies, was just havin a laugh after with the morgue / dressage comparison things.
Glad you kinda see my point(s) about Rafa & in turn i'll admit the man deserves a lot of respect from true LFC fans for what he achieved in CL '05 mainly.
We had a very good side in 2007 & 2009 but Rafa tinkered a bit too much. I really wish he kept both Crouch & Bellamy (i know why they left so you don't need to tell me) & then given Keane till the end of the season in 08/ 09. That was all ego massaging & proving his point for me, at the expense of the club suffering for if. Do you agree on this Fabian & ed? Think he (Keane) was just finding his feet when he was booted out. If he was booted out & replaced i'd have been ok about it but no replacement was brought in or has been since as we know (N'gog is not good enough - sorry). We have been operating for nearly 2 seasons now with only one half fit proven world class goalscoring forward. And i blame that for our 7th place mainly last season. Now hes crocked again. I blame Hodgson for not preparing for this inevitable situation (it was always gonna happen). He waited until August 31st to really push for a forward (Cole wouldn't be my 1st choice but he'd be better than N'gog right now in my opinion).
So Rafa has my total respect for what he did & tried to do & i'll just leave it at that mate.
Is that fair enough mate?
Cheers,
Irish Kev.
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I know you were having a laugh and there was no offence taken.
I do agree on both Crouch and Bellamy but I was not convinced by Keane. The whole scenario was a bit strange. Some people might say that he didn't get a fair crack in the team, but I don't think his goal to game ratio was good enough to warrant much more. I also believe his ego was somewhat inflated and he thought he was better than he was. Maybe it was a clash of egos between him and Rafa and Rafa won. I agree on your point about Rafa massaging his ego from time to time but I do honestly believe through it all he had the best intentions for the club.
I think it is clear to everyone that we miss a quality back up for Nando. Darren Bent would be my first choice, but is he really going to come to Anfield to sit on the bench and wait for Nando to get injured? Not many teams today play a standard 4-4-2 although with two out and out wingers I think this is the best way to play football. The good old Shankly way - don't worry about the opposition, let them worry about you.
Although a back up striker is a problem the biggest concern I have is that the players have no passion, there is noe fire in their bellies and they just seem to be going through the motions without much care. I remember reading a quote from Shankly once which should be pinned all around the dressing room walls before a game.
'Fire in your belly comes from pride and passion in wearing the red shirt. We don't need to motivate players because each of them is responsible for the performance of the team as a whole. The status of Liverpool's players keeps them motivated'
Enough said I think
Fabian Treezle
05 Oct 2010 13:18:19
Hello Fabian,
I meant the apologies, was just havin a laugh after with the morgue / dressage comparison things.
Glad you kinda see my point(s) about Rafa & in turn i'll admit the man deserves a lot of respect from true LFC fans for what he achieved in CL '05 mainly.
We had a very good side in 2007 & 2009 but Rafa tinkered a bit too much. I really wish he kept both Crouch & Bellamy (i know why they left so you don't need to tell me) & then given Keane till the end of the season in 08/ 09. That was all ego massaging & proving his point for me, at the expense of the club suffering for if. Do you agree on this Fabian & ed? Think he (Keane) was just finding his feet when he was booted out. If he was booted out & replaced i'd have been ok about it but no replacement was brought in or has been since as we know (N'gog is not good enough - sorry). We have been operating for nearly 2 seasons now with only one half fit proven world class goalscoring forward. And i blame that for our 7th place mainly last season. Now hes crocked again. I blame Hodgson for not preparing for this inevitable situation (it was always gonna happen). He waited until August 31st to really push for a forward (Cole wouldn't be my 1st choice but he'd be better than N'gog right now in my opinion).
So Rafa has my total respect for what he did & tried to do & i'll just leave it at that mate.
Is that fair enough mate?
Cheers,
Irish Kev.
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I know you were having a laugh and there was no offence taken.
I do agree on both Crouch and Bellamy but I was not convinced by Keane. The whole scenario was a bit strange. Some people might say that he didn't get a fair crack in the team, but I don't think his goal to game ratio was good enough to warrant much more. I also believe his ego was somewhat inflated and he thought he was better than he was. Maybe it was a clash of egos between him and Rafa and Rafa won. I agree on your point about Rafa massaging his ego from time to time but I do honestly believe through it all he had the best intentions for the club.
I think it is clear to everyone that we miss a quality back up for Nando. Darren Bent would be my first choice, but is he really going to come to Anfield to sit on the bench and wait for Nando to get injured? Not many teams today play a standard 4-4-2 although with two out and out wingers I think this is the best way to play football. The good old Shankly way - don't worry about the opposition, let them worry about you.
Although a back up striker is a problem the biggest concern I have is that the players have no passion, there is noe fire in their bellies and they just seem to be going through the motions without much care. I remember reading a quote from Shankly once which should be pinned all around the dressing room walls before a game.
'Fire in your belly comes from pride and passion in wearing the red shirt. We don't need to motivate players because each of them is responsible
05 Oct 2010 13:00:15
F*ck Everton
F*ck Man U
F*ck Arsenal
F*ck Chelsea
F*ck every other team in world football. .
I'M LFC TILL I DIE.
TOP MAN, TOP NOTCH, CANT AGREE MORE. . . . .LIVERPOOL TILL I DIE FOR ME ASWELL! AND WHATEVER HAPPENS SING YOUR HEART OUT ALWAYS. . . .WIN, LOOSE OR DRAW.
MAN I LOVE THIS SITE! !
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I agree, I'm a BLOODY top man. .
I remember the Uefa Cup (2000-2001), the League Cups (1994-1995, 2000-2001, 2002-2003), the European Cup (2004-2005), the FA Cups (2000-2001, 2005-2006)
AND I AM SURE TO BLOODY REMEMBER THE EPL TITLES IN YEARS TO COME.
SO WE STARTED POORLY, VERY POORLY IF I MAY ADD. BUT WTF, WHY BITCH AND MOAN? IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WHY NOT PULL A MICHEAL OWEN AND P*$$ OFF TO the emirates, s-bridge, ot and whilst singing there s* tty tunes. LFC will be lifting the EPL. .
TEE - LFC
05 Oct 2010 12:59:20
"No bank in their right mind would refinance Hicks, especially in the current market. . the value of the asset is too close to the value of the debt. The LVR is far too high."
Who says it needs to be a bank?
05 Oct 2010 12:52:45
At the moment it seems to all us true LFC supporters that things could not get any worse both on and off the field. Apart from the Arsenal game when we actually showed great character (2nd half), the performances have definately been at best listless, with, it seems, no leadership on the pitch. Nevertheless, RH said we should look at the league table after 10 games to get a more realistic view of our 'true' position. With 3 away games out of the next 4 fixtures, it could be that we stay where we are, drop further into the mire, or climb the table. Let's do what he asked for and give him the 3 more games. Then any comments can be made based on us having completed more than a third of our fixtures.
For me, the worst part of everything that is going on right now is the absolute stone walling of all us supporters by the board. I'm sure we all understand the need for confidentiality in such matters, but they could easily make a statement to us all about the actual status of the 'sale' without naming names. At least we would know, even if it is bad news.
Communication should be the watch word, not a total blackout of what is happening.
I would welcome any comments from true LFC fans.
KBL
05 Oct 2010 12:52:41
Its a well known fact that
KOPITES ARE ********
cant wait for the Derby, I hope Everton batter you and humiliate you, but as Liverpool fans you will always blame someone else.
05 Oct 2010 12:50:57
I would like to agree with one or two people who are commenting on SOS and their protests. Since the emegence of this group the atmosphere on the Kop is in decline. They have cornred a market in self propaganda, they DO NOT speak for the majority of the fans. A march of 2000 people vs 45000 in the stadium says it all. SOS go the the same way as H&G. Out of the club, you will not get what you want. a seat on the board! Its very similar to the ultras in Italy who can be more than destructive. See what the Lazio ultras did regarding the Mihilovic incident with Viera, it is dangerous territory. No one would want to buy a club when a group of people are hell bent on having their names in papers more than the club, you will not drive out hard nosed business men so start putting your efforts into supporting the team in matches.
05 Oct 2010 12:44:37
To one who posted this:
{Editorial Snip.}
Ed I can't believe you posted this.
{Editor's Note: I was not too sure about this myself when I saw it. I somehow doubt it was a deliberate OK from an Ed. but simply something that slipped through. It happens now and again and I apologise (on behalf of the Eds.}
I'm as upset as everyone else about the state the club is in and I mostly blame the yonks too but I think some fans need to take a reality check.
{Editorial Snip.}
Same thinking applies here. . .coz its not just football. . its Liverpool FC. . its a part of us. .just as our family. . .Liverpool is everything for us. . .
{Editor's Note: I think the strength of opinion is clear. What is really important is that whatever solution comes about for the current situation, it is the best solution for the club in the long term. I think this is much more important than a quick solution that could damage the club for years to come. Thanks for the message.}
05 Oct 2010 12:34:56
This is **e***** speaking
look fellow redmen please wake up this once mighty club of ours is finished the rot set in 20 odd years ago when david *** ***** moores was given the keys to anfield do you think that if peter robinson was still around we would be in this mess no h*cking way he was the man behind all the success in the 70s and 80s after he went we went into decline david moores never had a clue what he was doing no investment in the stadium we watched with envy at the mancs expanding gold trafford to 76,000 creating vast revenue streems to pump into the squad and sweep all before them ok we had a few cup successers in the years gone by but who would give it all back for a massive new stadium to give us the platform to get great players i know i would so thanx mooores thanx for being the biggest disaster to happen to lfc in history you ****** us for 20years with your disastrous ownership and then ****** us for decades to come with your greed and avarice in selling out to the yonks there is a place saved for you in *** ***** ** **** and i hope you ****** **** for eternity you *** of a thousand fathers all ******** like you,
from ****u*** giving it to you ********
05 Oct 2010 12:07:25
To anonymous(glory hunter), you don't sing because your team is winning, you sing your heart out BECAUSE YOU WANT YOUR TEAM TO WIN! You can't go to anfield and just sit there, you go to anfield to support your team(SINGING). To everyone going to anfield, IT IS ANFIELD! Not emirates, bridge, ot, etc. We are called the 12th man for a reason, and its about time we started showing it again.
Red bl00ded!
05 Oct 2010 12:01:25
Does anyone know when the viral protest video will be availble to watch on Youtube? All I have read is that it will be on Youtube today. Lets get as many reds watching it, and get those hits over the million mark that's wanted.
On a seperate note, has anyone seen Suso (Jesus Fernanzez Saez) play? The lad is an immense talent, bags of skill, touch, confidence, driving runs, vision and creativity. Now I know he's only a youngster, but could he really do any worse than some players are? A gem could be unearthed and he could thrive. I understand in the current position it could also go the opposite way, but watching the lad, I seriously doubt it. I have always agreed with the comment. .If they are good enough, they are old enough. Same for Pacheco, the lad needs a chance in the right position. Bags of talent, don't let them go to waste an rot just because someone is older, and so called more experienced. You only get the experience by playing! And to be honest with dross like Poulsen, Lucas, Maxi, Babel and the list can go on, things can't get any worse.
el_kopite. .YNWA
05 Oct 2010 12:01:11
I am a very disappointed reds fan, and hit rock bottom on sunday, bad choice of manager, bad tactics, bad players, however to blame our current plight purely on the 2 morons that run the club is also madness, yes there is some blame but benitez left the club in a real mess but if hodgson believes konchesky and poulsen are gonna take this club forward he is talking out of his apse, he has let insua and aqullani go out on loan when these 2 players are better than the ones he brought in.And to think King Kenny would turn it around what a load of tosh. .the last time he was manager he couldnt handle the pressure then and we are in a worse position now, he wouldn't be able to handle the the mess we are in now.
05 Oct 2010 11:45:16
@05 Oct 2010 11:33:28 "Koptalk saying investors from UAE and USA potenital new owners. Any city confirmation onthe above from Koptalk"
The fact you read (and then quote) KrapTalk shows you are a person of limited intelligence. God forbid that you subscribe. That would be more than sanity could bear. I'm surprised one of the 'eds' hasn't slapped your legs and pointed out the futility of your ways.
05 Oct 2010 11:40:11
In 1999, Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst entered into a partnership with Sport Club Corinthians Paulista, a successful Brazilian club team. Club directors and Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst assured the fans that a new stadium was in development, but this never materialized. After legal/ financial troubles and partner infighting, Hicks retired from the company and the ownership group eventually left the partnership with Corinthians.
There was the initial blaze of publicity and fanfare when the company bought the club in 1999, with promises of big spending on the best players and the construction of a brand new 45,000 seater stadium in the suburbs of Sao Paulo.
There was an initial capital investment to tie down existing players and to finance the purchase one or two other additional players.
The economics behind the Corinthians deal appeared to be based on ridiculously rudimentary logic: "If you add up all the fans of professional baseball, basketball, football and hockey in the United States, that number is lower than the number of Brazilians who are soccer fans." Clearly, no proper risk analysis had been undertaken - a situation which resonates with the due diligence period of 3 days prior to the purchase of Liverpool.
This flimsy approach was reinforced by the apparently rash and impulsive purchase of Cruzeiro six months later - traits which Liverpool fans are rapidly coming to associate with Hicks.
There was also the emphasis on the cheaper "young players", with the following quote from the (unfortunately named) Richard Law, president of Hicks' subsidiary group: "Our job is not to turn back the inevitable, but to build Corinthians and Cruzeiro up from the junior ranks." Hicks followed a similar tack following the takeover of Liverpool: "You need to keep your star players but also develop your young players. Young players are the lifeblood of your team, so we talked about how we can improve that side of the team."
Corinthians had already won the Brazilian championship in 1998 so Hicks inherited a winning team. The initial expenditure assisted in retaining the league title in Dec 1999 and the club also won the inaugural FIFA Club World Championship the following month.
This is where things started to go wrong.
Unable to resist the temptation to make a quick buck, Hicks began selling transfer rights to the club's star players. On top of that, he decided on the bizarre idea of changing the traditional colour of the club's shirt. He also introduced sponsorship (something which Corinthians fans felt defiled their heritage).
All of these things led to a furious reaction from supporters and widespread protest against Hicks and his partners. The company bailed out three years later, ironically having accused its local partner in Brazil of "misappropriating funds" (read the UTIMCO post and you'll understand).
Corinthians began to spiral downwards. MSI took over the club's management but, despite a league title in 2005, the financial problems initiated by Hicks proved too much of a burden. The club was relegated to the second tier of Brazilian football for the first time in its history in December 2007.
There was no new stadium. Hicks invested about five hundred million dollars and within two years filed for bankruptcy. [14] mini4me 02:52, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
ANY OF THIS SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THATS HAPPENING NOW @ LIVERPOOL ?
05 Oct 2010 11:16:32
Personally i would rather play lucas than poulsen and i would play cole on left babel on right if we strugglin for pace and creativity and these two have it give babel a run of games and his confidence up and get him playin like he did in his first season and better
torres needs a kick up ass and shootin practice his confidence is down n his attitude is worse
as for our defence johnson rb only thing we got goin forward in past few games i think its time to bench carragher and play agger n skrtel at back n lb is a problem for us but if they no konchesky or aurelio then why not play kelly or mavinga more often they alot more energy than our current lbs
05 Oct 2010 11:01:31
Even with your best 11 playing every week, I don't think you will get higher in the table then eigth, so if you can not field your best team week in week out your gonna finish11th or below, desperate times ahead for Liverpool, this could be the worst goals against season you have ever had, if you can buy players in Jan, it should be defenders, or you could get relegated.DENBOY.
05 Oct 2010 10:53:43
F*ck Everton
F*ck Man U
F*ck Arsenal
F*ck Chelsea
F*ck every other team in world football. .
I'M LFC TILL I DIE.
TOP MAN, TOP NOTCH, CANT AGREE MORE. . . . .LIVERPOOL TILL I DIE FOR ME ASWELL! ! AND WHATEVER HAPPENS SING YOUR HEART OUT ALWAYS. . . .WIN, LOOSE OR DRAW.
MAN I LOVE THIS SITE! !
05 Oct 2010 10:37:42
If Hodgson plays Poulsen and Lucas together against Everton then it's time for him to go.
This is not the way forward! !
05 Oct 2010 10:37:06
So what you are saying if we lose draw with sunderland sing our hearts out, draw with uetrect sing our hearts out, lose to northhampton sing our hearts out, lose to blackpool sing our hearts out, still in the bottom three buy christmas sing our hearts out, get relegated sing our hearts out?? ? after watching the first games of this season i see nothing to sing about
05 Oct 2010 10:36:15
F*ck Everton
F*ck Man U
F*ck Arsenal
F*ck Chelsea
F*ck every other team in world football. .
I'M LFC TILL I DIE.
05 Oct 2010 10:21:46
05 Oct 2010 09:51:50
As a Liverpool supporter , does anyone else agree that Sammy Lee is not upto the job and we have been in decline since Paco went . {ed's note - I fully agree.}
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Sad, but I 100% agree. If you look were Lee has been as manger or assist manager (England, Bolton, etc) they have aways played the same and always the teams have been sent on a downwood spiral. Always negative and boring. Roy bring Paco back
05 Oct 2010 09:51:50
As a Liverpool supporter , does anyone else agree that Sammy Lee is not upto the job and we have been in decline since Paco went . {ed's note - I fully agree.}
05 Oct 2010 09:35:47
When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of the lark
Walk on through the wind
Walk on through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown
Walk on walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone
to all my fellow reds never have these words been so true we all understand the protests and the reason behind them but we arent the manc scum in times like this we need to hold our heads up high and support our team as one no matter the result so lets get behind our lads and spur them on.because if we carry on with these results things can only get worse
manc hater
05 Oct 2010 08:14:15
Why Mr Roy happy with goalles against Utrecth and why he play Meireles as right wing, pls tell me what happen to Babel n Pacheco?
05 Oct 2010 07:50:41
Dont matter board will kick any refinancing out. Non story. Ynwa
{Editor's Note: I think all the board could do would be stop further financing against the club.}
05 Oct 2010 07:36:50
Ed why can't we just have an ipo to raise funds
{Editor's Note: The owners would have considered floating the company but I imagine the business valuation would not have been high enough for them. If they had, say, an extension of the loan period to the end of June 2011 then it may allow enough time for a gloatation to be made.}
05 Oct 2010 07:24:12
-The team is super low in confidance
-We lack attacking sharpness and effectives
-Lesser sides believe that they can get a result against us
-Glen Johnson is terrorised in every game, Jamie Carragher looks done, F.Torres is too relaxed.
-P.Konchesky and C.Poulsen for E.Insua and A.aquilani?The aqua lad needed time. .was top class against Inter, Insua was weak at defending but bought in dangerous crosses
-E.Banega, A.Sanchez, M.Zarate, A.Turan, Hernanes and Gervinho would have bought something different. .keep in mind all can have play in either flank.
-Man Utd could have easily gave us a 4-0 whopping, Sunderland and West brom almost defeated us at home, Birmingham and Man City where the better sides on the day. . .these are the signs ov a complete downfall.
-Roy should rebuild the team and also put faith in Pacheco. .if he was an arsenal player he could have been another wilshere.
-Drop Carra for Agger and move Glen to the right wing, Cole to the left wether he likes it or not and Kuyt to partner Torres. .should one get injured then you can use ngoG and milan, Raul and steven in midfield would be ok.
-Next up Everton. . .
NILE ANDERSON
05 Oct 2010 07:21:22
What is going on with liverpool?
I work in a school in london and I am a liverpool fan, alot of the kids i spoke to are seriously considering washing there hands with liverpool they can't take the humiliation anymore and to tell you the truth i can't really blame them"2-1 to blackpool at Anfield"
this is not the liverpool i have supported for all these years, its come to a point were i have stopped watching matches now as its to painfull to watch, my liverpool shirt is at the back of the wardrobe collecting dust, when ever football conversation comes up i turn off completley.it is unhappy times being a liverpool fan these days - DUDE YOU REALLY NEED TO SORT IT OUT, I WEAR MY SHIRTS WHEN EVER I CAN AND ALWAYS STICK UP FOR THE CLUB EVEN IF I AM SLIGHTLY BIAST. SO THEY AINT WINNNING SO YOU WONT TALK ABOUT THEM. GEESE GO AND SUPPORT MANURE OR CITY! !
05 Oct 2010 06:28:29
Lets face facts, the fans are a disgrace and they causing the team to lose on the pitch.
if u want to blame anyone, then start with the fans.
I COULDNT AGREE MORE MATE. ALL THE 'FANS' HAVE DONE IS WHINGE AND MOAN ABOUT WELL PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHIN. . . DONT KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I SAY IT, SUPPORT MEANS GET BEHIND AND HELP THE TEAM, IT DOESNT MEAN SLATE EM EVERY CHANCE YOU GET. I REALLY DO HAVE RESPECT FOR THE FANS OF TEAMS THAT ARE JUST AVERAGE EVERY SEASON, TO KEEP BACKING THEM MUST BE DIFFICULT. BE PATIENT LIVERPOOL FANS IT WILL COME GOOD, WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND. . . . .WHAT SAY YOU ED? ?
{Editor's note - The fans really need to get behind the team in every match, no matter what the score is}
05 Oct 2010 01:35:46
{ed's note - not so much to massage his own ego as to win a personal battle with Parry. To be fair, Parry was a huge hindrance who cost us numerous players for little to no money (Cristiano Ronaldo and Sergio Aguero being two that spring to mind immediately), it was a good thing Rafa did for us getting rid of him.}
Fair enough, i've only heard whispers on the Ronaldo / Augero things. Can you elaborate on that a little? I'm guessing he didn't want to part with a few million (4 - 5 million for each) as they were unproven? He probably had too much of a say in things but i'm sure he meant well, don't like the fact that both he & Rafa took severance pay from us even though both knew we have severe financial issues. Its not like they're struggling to pay their gas bills or something.
Cheers,
Irish Kev.
05 Oct 2010 01:29:21
It has become clear over the past few days that there are serious efforts being made to continue to mislead Liverpool fans, to constantly agitate a difficult situation and to agitate matters concerning the players and the coaching staff in some misguided attempt to oust the existing owners. Somehow, it has been forgotten that the owners are attempting to sell the club and the efforts of the fans are making matters worse. The fans should be bright enough to figure that out. They should also be bright enough to figure out that the team and the staff need the fan's support at games, but they continue to make life difficult.
Sharkey.
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Definately agree with this, the protests are only hurting us in term of taking emphasis off supporting the team. Protests will prove nothing or change nothing in any takeover situation. Business is business & protests will not change a thing.
Sorry but i'm in total agreement with the above statement from "Sharkey".
Irish Kev
05 Oct 2010 01:21:07
Here is some interesting info for you to read on what could happen over the next couple of weeks i hope you find it interesting and give some idea of what our great club may or maybe not facing!
With Liverpool FC continuing to struggle on the pitch, the battle for control off it is seen by many fans as vital to a revival in fortunes.
This month is regarded as crucial in settling the long-term ownership of the club with the expiry date for the Royal Bank of Scotland's £237m loan to Liverpool's American co-owners possibly less than a fortnight away.
The majority of fans hope an inability to pay off that loan will force Tom Hicks and George Gillett out of Anfield, allowing a new owner to take the club forward, hopefully with that crippling debt removed.
But there is a fear Tom Hicks could even raise extra finance to take over the club on a solo basis, regardless of the sever reservations of the rest of the LFC board.
Today, we examine the five potential scenarios which could soon unfold at Anfield. You can also vote on which of them you want to happen, and which is most likely, by clicking here.
Some finance experts envisage that the October deadline could pass without any firm resolution about the Reds' future established.
James Dow, a partner in the northwest accountancy firm Dow Schofield Watts who has advised Barcelona and Celtic, described Liverpool's predicament as a "stand-off."
And he predicted it may take many more months for the ownership to be clarified, possibly dragging the uncertainty even until summer, 2011.
Mr Dow told the ECHO: "If Hicks can find finance, I don't think any lack of support from the board will make a difference.
"But for now, a deal isn't happening as there's a stand-off going on.
"Liverpool are in a no-man's land.
"But ultimately, this could drag on and on, and not even be resolved until next summer."
Royal Bank of Scotland Call In The Debt
The Royal Bank of Scotland call in their £237m debt, and effectively repossess Liverpool FC – in much the same way a bank would repossess your house if you defaulted on your mortgage.
This, however, would likely be a temporary arrangement, with RBS maintaining the current English board structure and Hicks and Gillett removed from the picture.
Observers speculate it would give the bank time to quickly find a more realistic buyer for the Anfield club, drastically bringing down the sale price from the lofty £500m-£600m currently being touted by Hicks.
"Interested parties" are likely to "show their hand" once figures of around £300m, thought to be a more realistic estimation for Liverpool, are proposed.
The Americans would doubtless launch their own legal challenge if RBS took over running of Liverpool.
Kop Holdings Goes Into Administration
Although unlikely, the bank could technically place Kop Holdings, Liverpool FC's parent company, into administration.
But the ECHO understands the Premier League would not view that move as Liverpool Football Club itself being declared insolvent.
Regular discussions have been taking place between Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton and league chief executive Richard Scudamore.
The Reds have been seeking clarification on what would be the potential scenario if RBS took temporary charge at Anfield.
Sources have indicated a nine-point deduction, threatened to football clubs when they go bust like Portsmouth last season, would not materialise.
League chiefs crucially consider the debt to rest squarely on the shoulders of Tom Hicks and George Gillett, co-chairman of the club and owners of Kop Football Holdings.
Managing director Christian Purslow has repeatedly said that there is no prospect of Liverpool Football Club going into administration.
Speaking last week he said: "When we sell the business the debt will be reduced or go away which will make us the most profitable club in the Premier League. Liverpool is not going bust."
As Liverpool has proved they have steady revenues – TV rights money, ticket sales, sponsorship – the club would avoid incurring any penalty.
Although Steve Horner, of campaign group Kop Faithful, said: "I am sure that the majority of Liverpool fans would settle for a nine-point deduction if it meant that Hicks and Gillett would never darken our door again."
New Buyer Comes Forward
A bidder puts forward a package to buy Liverpool which is considered acceptable by the Reds board before October's refinancing deadline.
With the structure of the board crucially changed during the summer, Broughton, Purslow and Ayre could now out-vote the Americans.
The only formal offer made for Liverpool came from the Rhone Group in March when they proposed to pay £110m for a 70% stake in the club, making the Americans passive shareholders.
In many Anfield quarters it was considered a "solid" proposal to pay down a portion of the debt and make transfer funds available.
That bid was dismissed by Hicks and Gillett, and tellingly, the make-up of the board changed after the event, allowing the English board members to effectively out-vote the owners. A proposal from Chinese mogul Kenny Huang and QSL Sports company was withdrawn in August.
It was said to be for £325m, but the ECHO understands it failed to impress the Anfield board who considered it incomplete and not supported by genuine finance, although it is hoped it may be resurrected.
With consortiums, possibly just two currently in dialogue with Liverpool, biding their time before the club price falls, a bid before deadline remains improbable.
The Americans themselves had lent £145m to Kop Football Holdings. But at the insistence of RBS in one of the previous refinancing rounds, the Americans converted the loans into equity.
Add the £145m to the £237m owed to the banks and around £30m of penalty charges, and the Americans must sell for more than £410m to merely break even.
Refinancing
Royal Bank of Scotland agrees to extend the refinancing deadline to give Tom Hicks time to establish new sources of funding (effectively debt).
Liverpool FC officials view this step as the "worst possible scenario" for the club and Christian Purslow has consistently said would be opposed by the board
This extension could be anything, starting from just a couple of weeks to allow the club to be sold to a bidder needing more time to complete due diligence before a purchase.
It could be longer if RBS finds the prospect of taking over or forcing administration to be unpalatable or too legally complex.
The bank, however, could potentially place caveats on any extension, for example that the Americans are forced to accept lower offers than the figures they are currently seeking.
With the prospect of legal challenges, RBS may have little choice but to extend temporary finances.
Hicks Pays Off The Debt
Tom Hicks manages to raise the appropriate funds to pay off the Royal Bank of Scotland debt and retains ownership of the club.
The English members on Liverpool's board – managing director Christian Purslow, chairman Martin Broughton and commercial director Ian Ayre – would almost certainly lodge objections against such a move if any new debt was secured against the assets of Liverpool FC.
They have already consulted solicitors regarding blocking a new financing package from the Texan.
But how successful such a challenge would be remains untested as some law experts told the ECHO covering the RBS debt would give him "carte blanche" to rip up the existing board structure and appoint new members of his choice.
Privately, Liverpool view Hicks' attempts to persuade a private equity company to shoulder the £237m arrears as highly unlikely.
The easiest way for Hicks to retain control of the club is for him to raise the finance himself, without securing it against the club's assets.
This has sparked fears about his intentions in creating a new investment company for which he is currently trying to attract investors.
According to papers registered with the USA's Securities and Exchange Commission, Hicks Acquisition Company II is seeking to raise $230m (£145m).
Shares are being offered for $10 in the "newly organised blank check company formed for the purpose of effecting a merger, capital stock exchange, asset acquisition, stock purchase, reorganisation or similar business combination with one or more businesses."
The initial public offering papers also warn prospective investors that "investing in our securities involves a high degree of risk".
The company is registered at the same address as Hicks Holdings – from where Hicks conducts his business affairs.
The underwriters for the deal are Citi Bank and Deutsche Bank Securities, with the company expected to start trading on Thursday, October 7.
lets hope no one is silly enough to lend to Mr. Hicks,
hicks holdings my a*se!
redsincebirth
Y.N.W.A
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Jes, & i thought i sent in long posts!
I feel much better now :~)
Ed, do you think Rafa only sold Keane back to Spurs so quickly without giving him even a season to massage his own ego & prove a point to Parry & board? I do personally.
Irish Kev. {ed's note - not so much to massage his own ego as to win a personal battle with Parry. To be fair, Parry was a huge hindrance who cost us numerous players for little to no money (Cristiano Ronaldo and Sergio Aguero being two that spring to mind immediately), it was a good thing Rafa did for us getting rid of him.}
05 Oct 2010 00:55:51
Roy Hodgson is a mediocre manager who should never have been appointed. Liverpool are now the new fulham and are heading to their level where Roy will find himself at home once more.
Our current plight has nothing to do with the players or anyone else. It is the manager. No one else.
Its not the manager?
Mourinhno would be getting these results? Ferguson would be getting these results? Benitez would be?. . . David Brent is our manager. Next we'll be extras in the championship. Que sera sera. . .every day he remains manager is every day we inch closer to becoming the new Leeds.
05 Oct 2010 00:53:30
Fabian,
So you don't think my Rafa arguments were real evidence or reason to let him go then? ?
On the NI thing, i do apologise if that upset ya but as i said there was 100% no mailce attached to that.
I too, as i said have connection to the place and don't phi* on my own doorstep as such, so sorry if you took offence to that & i mean that genuinely!
It was a comparison i couldn't think of any other way of describing. I don't think anyone who is half involved in the place would / should take any offence to though - its not like i slagged any side od the fence as such - it was an innocent comparison.
Anyway - make of it what you please.
We clearly will never agree with the Rafa thing but lets try to agree on one thing - He is gone now & we as a club need to move on now & throw our support behind the rag tag team we now have left.
Anfield is like a morgue at the recent games (last 10 months) - no offence meant in that comparison either :~)
We need to up the support or the season could be a write off.
But the players need to step up also.
Poulsen for one reminds me of a horse proudly trotting about at a dressage (Again no offence to dressage people with that comparison). No urgency!
But passion & urgency can be brought out of these players with some vocal support sometimes ie Istanbul (No offence yet again).
Cheers & sorry for calling you arrogant Fabian, i'm sure i'll convince you eventually :)
Irish Kev.
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LOL - Now there's no need to take the pi* and apologise for everything you say!
I am a great admirer of Rafa because he brought us some great times and gave us some fantastic memories. I do also acknowledge that he made a number of mistakes along the way, but I just wish he had been given the same length of time old whiskey nose was given before he won the league (1 more season). I can't help but wonder if last season was just a blip and he may have kicked on this year.
One thing which does rile me is that the board replaced him with someone who isn't even half the manager. If they had of replaced him with Hiddink or even Pellegrini then I would have said fine.
I agree with you that we must put Rafa behind us, move on and get behind the team 100%. However, that means not blaming him for the performance of the team now, which many on this site seem to quick to do.
All I pray for now is solid new owners soon. Not owners like Chelsea or Man City, but owners who will put the club back onto solid foundations, modestly invest in the squad and build the new stadium.
I am not a religious man but, needs must!
Fabian Treezle
Hello Fabian,
I meant the apologies, was just havin a laugh after with the morgue / dressage comparison things.
Glad you kinda see my point(s) about Rafa & in turn i'll admit the man deserves a lot of respect from true LFC fans for what he achieved in CL '05 mainly.
We had a very good side in 2007 & 2009 but Rafa tinkered a bit too much. I really wish he kept both Crouch & Bellamy (i know why they left so you don't need to tell me) & then given Keane till the end of the season in 08/ 09. That was all ego massaging & proving his point for me, at the expense of the club suffering for if. Do you agree on this Fabian & ed? Think he (Keane) was just finding his feet when he was booted out. If he was booted out & replaced i'd have been ok about it but no replacement was brought in or has been since as we know (N'gog is not good enough - sorry). We have been operating for nearly 2 seasons now with only one half fit proven world class goalscoring forward. And i blame that for our 7th place mainly last season. Now hes crocked again. I blame Hodgson for not preparing for this inevitable situation (it was always gonna happen). He waited until August 31st to really push for a forward (Cole wouldn't be my 1st choice but he'd be better than N'gog right now in my opinion).
So Rafa has my total respect for what he did & tried to do & i'll just leave it at that mate.
Is that fair enough mate?
Cheers,
Irish Kev.
05 Oct 2010 00:43:05
TIME TO GET BEHIND THE TEAM LADS, THE SUPPORT HASNT BEEN THERE AS IT SHOULD BE AND THE PLAYERS DONT DESERVE TO TAKE BLAME FOR WHAT THE YANKS HAVE DONE TO THE CLUB. YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE, OR UNKNOWN. WIN THE NEXT 5 GAMES TO GET THE SEASON BACK ON TRACK
05 Oct 2010 00:35:52
Do you think if rafa was still in charge would we have lost to Blackpool? If rafa was still here would he have got average players like poulsen and konchesky? If rafa was still the manager would have said a draw in holland is a good result? I think not. So before you start to talk about the tatics look at Roy, he still wants to play the counter like he did at fulam and that would work if you have a balance in the team like a strong defence an okay midfield with duff and Dempsey and a strong striker like zamora, now look at Liverpool do we have a solid backline? In midfield we should be wiping the floor with teams like Blackpool, sunderland and utretch. . Gerrard, miereles, cole, kuyt. Not forgeting babel, maxi and Lucas. Man for man we are considerably better then these teams but we can't win because gerrard isn't a counter attacking midfielder, yes he's box to box but still, kuyt has all the energy in the world but he isn't either. What we need to do is build the team around gerrard and torres and I believe the team that rafa had was almost there. . Babel would be great behind torrs, maxi gerrard and aqaulani linked up well and with aditions like jova our team would be great through the middle. Now if you look at when torres was on form, most if his goals came from through balls through the middle. So don't question me. Now what? Go on, answer me if I'm wrong. .
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You ARE wrong in my opinion.
But i can't be ars* going into it again.
Look up the last few days archives if ya want to see good pro Rafa & anti Rafa arguments. And chill the he*k out.