Liverpool Banter Archive April 05 2012

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05 Apr 2012 23:43:14
Any clues Macca as to who the two la liga players are? Teams they play for? Top four club in spain? Spanish players?

Thanks

I think this "Macca" said you were buying an Inter Milan player recently, which never happened.

He's like a mystic, gives you a bit of vague info, but is never precise. It's because it's BS I'm afraid.

Eric Banterna x

Eric , the eds give him a special thread page , use your common -sense , if you have any , now why would they do that for a ordinary-joe................lfc {Ed001's Note - he was given that purely to stop people pestering us with questions about what he said.}

We could've bought that Inter Milan player but he's a free agent this summer i think ;) Why waste money people always say then people give out when we save money, what is with that? What we did in the January transfer window was try to get deals done for the summer before the Euro's, and guess what, deals are already in place...
2/3 year ago i had great intel in the club, i still get bits of info but nobody says names anymore but they can point us in the right direction as i'm sure Macca would agree, thats just the way it is now. News articles are probably the worst sources to get info from as the club is linked (usually by "a source close to he club") to multiple players every day through various articles and websites...

Rocky

I felt that reflow ( aka Nevada I think ) had some pretty good info, he never got a page. There has to be something more than that.

Really should be Eric 'na, cos there's no banter involved.

The Squirrel

05 Apr 2012 23:42:16
Doni, johnson, skrtel, agger, Enrique, downing (right) Henderson Gerrard, sterling, Suarez, carroll

All play for Liverpool.....

Square tomato

05 Apr 2012 23:34:42
Dalglish worshippers haven't got a clue!

But we have the guts to sign our posts and be counted, unlike you sonny.

MR EM

It just seems wrong that idiotic trolls like this are let loose on the internet.

05 Apr 2012 22:54:44
hi eds i think we need to sign some of these players the only real big name i top on the list as he loves liverpool and wants to come back someday.

Alonso
Sissoko
Jovetic
Marin
Erikkson
Ramirez
Ellia
M Phillips
Redmond
Tello

adebayor would be my 1st choice st but cant see it happening its a shame cos hes propabaly the best box striker in the league either him or vp ohh well.

can i have your thoughts on any of the players mentioned please ed? {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}

Phillips and Redmond would come. None of the other lot.

05 Apr 2012 23:32:02
Alright Macca. Any info on outgoings? Really more after info on Suarez and Carroll really.

Thanks for the input mate.

Spriggo

05 Apr 2012 23:19:54
As you know, I am only here to help you understand your plight.

I have been giving some serious thought as to why Liverpool are so bad this season (again).

To this end, I have conducted a major scientific study, and after months of tests and evaluations, the results are that Liverpool have far too many ugly and weird looking players.

Quite frankly, Spearing, Kuyt, Shelvey, Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Adam, Bellamy and Carroll could all be extras in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

Suarez could be Bugs Bunny's stunt double, and the rest are no oil paintings!

This all adds to undermining their personal confidence.

So when "King" Kenny tells them to take a good hard look at themselves in the mirror, after yet another defeat, they frighten the lives out of themselves!

When you had a good team you had the handsome Brad Pitt look alikes in Phil Thompson, Ian Rush or Tommy Smith to add to the team's physical confidence.

Of course this study doesn't take account of the fact that your players are just not good enough, but you already knew that!

Eric Banterna x

I don't know about everybody else, but when i read the name at the bottom i just take it this is another boring pile of bitter cr*p and just ignore it and scroll on.

Feels good to waste the time of this purile muppet

MR EM

That was a bit better - considering your efforts are usually so, SO lame.

Gold Star for you on your return to school!

Lee YNWA ( 5 Gold stars )

And i suppose gary neville ratboy didnt hit every brach when he fell out of the ugly tree.

And rooneys a handsome get?

Mr Banterna, allow me to voice an objection to this slander in the strongest possible terms. Everyone knows that lil Jay is a fine and handsome specimen of young manhood.

On more than one occasion I've found myself ruminating the possibility of making violent man-love with him, and I'm not even gay- although the man I sleep with insists that he is.

I shall concede on the "lil Jay" observation as you feel most strongly. Good luck with your peculiar dreams!

Eric Banterna x

05 Apr 2012 23:18:12
Kevin KURANYI???

05 Apr 2012 23:10:17
I don't believe Kenny will move on this summer - I think he'll be given another year. Plenty of potential managers are being bandied about as possible replacements....but I'd like to mention one that hasn't.

If we are looking for a young manager with Premier League experience, a lover of the passing game, an ability to set a style and develop it, good with the media, an eye for a player and a person who'll care for our proud heritage I think we could do a lot worse than ....ROBERTO MARTINEZ.

Five years as a manager
Set Swansea on their way to success
Has kept Wigan up !!
A bright man, keen student of game and honourable
Knows our League inside out
Would combine best of British and Latin players traits
Scouts Spain and Latin America well

Someone like Klopp is successful because a decent team gave him a chance. AVB was given a chance at a big club.....ETC

Any thoughts Eds ? {Ed001's Note - yeah I can see the appeal in Martinez, he is fighting a losing battle with Wigan but still got them playing some nice stuff.}

I swear I made a shout for Martinez the other day and I got rollocked for it!

Mr Controversy

05 Apr 2012 23:00:20
05 Apr 2012 12:15:08
suarez is a real crafty person that no one will understand remeber his handball and laugh after the penalty was missed remember his biting-he says one thing but really means another i will be astomnished if he signs a new contract at lfc.

This poster needs 1) to learn to write in English, 2) get his facts right, 3) learn to sign his own name.
Dutchmal

Yes he's an evil mastermind conspiring against sportsmanship and ethics to win for his beloved country and the clubs he plays for. Anyone that shows passion should be kicked out of the game! You must never had played the game or really supported anything . Go watch the cricket!
Uruseb

Go watch the cricket quality

05 Apr 2012 22:53:50
Firstly can I say the people who are slagging off Gerrard and Carra need to realise that they love the club..

I also believe that we all should respect what Kenny has done for the club and at least support him till the end of the season.

I know for a fact that if he feels the job is to big he will step aside..

I also know that 2 of the players we are trying to sign really will make a differance, both from la liga..

Cheers

Macca

Ooo Macca your such a tease I'm gonna dream and say higuian and javi Martinez.(sigh)

Square tomato

Is one a striker?

Springer

Soldado and Tello, Hopefully

That's great news Macca, thanks mate.

Christian tello? Rossi? Oezil? Soldado ? Jesus nevas? Come Onn maccaa just say poistion!

Thank you macca for your information, the depressive snipers on here who criticise SG, JC & KD are probably the same one's who find fault in your snippets of information shared. i think the remaining results of the season will tell kenny if the jobs too big in his own mind personally. i hope he stays and creates a dynasty.
s.p

No way Square mate, It's Soldado and Muniain! Lol

AG

Soldado and Ozil hopefully. Or maybe if Luis goes, we could want Huguain in a straight swap.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Thanks for the info Macca.

Here's hoping..

Lee YNWA

Thank you Macca for the insight, but by any chance could you tell us what positions these 2 players play in.

KennyD JFT96

Ronaldo and messi

AG I think your choice is slightly more realistic mate lol

Square tomato

Listen one of the main reasons I don't like to mention names is because if it does not happen I always get the blame..

one thing I will say is that one of you has hit the nail on the head for 2 of the main targets..

Cheers

Macca

Exiting nice one Macca hope it happens looking at players listed we won't be disappointed.

Square tomato

Yay! Ronaldo and Messi then ;)

Can you just say the position the players play in macca?

The info on the players is useful but also a clue that Kenny will be manager next season as if there were plans to make a change they wouldn't be planning transfers until the new manager was appointed
Hans

Aww come on maccaa a!!!!! Ur a master at this, you could become the new joker in batman!! Can you tell us which positions?

Thank you Macca now everyone will be dreaming for two months.

1) soldado tello
2) soldado munian *****
3) soldado ozil
or its the swap one which is less likely

I think it's pair two, either way one is soldado.

and a quick question..are we targeting five players?

Wicked your a legend macca! But maybe could you mention the positions? That way you wouldnt be telling us the names, and I hate that if a transfer doesnt happen people get on your back mate. If they hadnt, particularly about Benzema we would still be getting told exact names, instead they did have a go and you, quite rightly, decided to stop giving names. Thanks mate, you really are a legend macca.
KiwiRed

May be they are players who the new manager currently working in spain wants?

If Macca has true info he should name the players if not I for one will not be trusting him How many players play in La liga {Ed002's Note - He has given a perfectly valid rerason for not naming names at this time, the fact that he would be trashed by a large number of the posters. You seem to forget the mass of abuse that comes with not getting things absolutely right - that is why sometimes it is best not to give specifics.}

I'm going for Tello and Rossi

Rafa's Purple Goatie

KiwiRed...Your a suck up...
Although I do agree with you

J-Red

Soldado is mentioned in them all so one has to be him, two people said soldado, tello and soldado, oezil, so rule out them, which leaves one of Rossi,Navas, Munian or Higuain as the other.

I think you can rule out any Madrid players as even if Liverpool could afford their wages I know that there is not one Madrid player who at present would agree to moving to Liverpool. You're dreaming for Higuain he doesnt even want to play in this league and would prefer italy.

I would like Rossi to sign but his comments about the EPL and his desire to go back to italy mean he will probably end up there. If Martinez was cheaper and not being pursued by teams with better wage budgets and champs league footy then maybe.

I was told not to long ago that Emery expected to be managing in italy or England next year and would take a Valencia player with him, that could be Soldado.

Nevada

05 Apr 2012 22:51:33
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate. Imagine you bought a football team. Imagine there were two senior players that you needed to move on, but knew the fans would revolt if you tried. Imagine there was a former player who the fans would walk off a cliff for. Imagine you could appoint a manager that the fans would trust even if that manager made unpopular decisions regarding senior players. That you could rely in that manager to make decisons that were in the best interest of the club as a forward-looking enterprise and the future and not swayed by the emotions of the fans. And imagine if that manager had connections with the club and blind loyalty of the fans that you ultimately wanted to loosen so that once he had moved on the senior players, ultimately he in turn could be easily moved on. Carragher at the end of this season. Gerrard at the end of next. Dalglish not long after.

Blimey, my imagination is running wild.
Kenny would be happy with that, as things stand now.........I imagine.
Rigsby.

What former player :|

What- these businessmen hired Kenny regardless of his management skills and what it might mean for the clubs finances, just so that he could move Stevie and Carra on without a fans revolt?

Do me a favour mate.

Imagine you had any idea what you were talking about

Chris in Tamworth

Chris, for that to be wrong and you to be right would require Carragher and Gerrard to still be playing for Liverpool in more than two years time AND Dalglish to still be manager. It's actually quite a good scenario and common sense tells you that it's more likely than not. RED LENIN

RED, the timings way well be right, by pure chance but the rest of the post was a nonsense

Chris in Tamworth

05 Apr 2012 22:21:32
Ozone,

Why didnt you mention that they spent more than 300 mil just on two players last season?

Seems you post what suits you......

LiverBird

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That's the point Liverbird, they spent in relative terms, they didn't make the play offs and have consequently culled as necessary.

There will be no big spend in the summer. We're lumbered with Andy Carroll who will prove to be the most expensive flop in footballing history. That coupled with the Gerrard and Carra influence and we are going nowhere fast.

Ozone {Ed001's Note - Shevchenko has Carroll beat hands down mate.}

Torres has carrol beat hands down........not to mention denilson

One word: Juan Sebastián Verón

That's three.

Ozone

Carroll is a very poor player , may be if he goes to a team who play his type of i.e wimbeldon ,he will work wonders, sadly lfc made a mistake with him and with 3 of the other signings , for a club who have no money what a waste of resources.this is just my opinion and i am no better with opinions than any one else , but the facts are there for people to interpret them selves.i am sure carroll will make a good living and i would of liked it to be with lfc but may be we need to bite the bullet and move him on ?.

How is Carroll worse than Torres?

Martin

Carroll is far worse than Torres! Quicker more agile better 1st touch Torres is a better all round footballer than Carroll! if you can't see that then a trip to specsaver's beckon's Martin! don't forget Torres scored 50 goal's for us faster than any other player!

Morientes has carroll beat

morientes scored 12 goals in 1 and a half seasons with us.

ngog also got 12 goals in 1 and a half seasons with us.

right now carroll has scored 8, he needs 4 more to be on par and 5 to be a better signing.

TRUE STORY

05 Apr 2012 22:16:08
Liver bird,

It makes no odds to me if we get relegated into the championship, I'll still be there week in week out in the Kop or wherever we are away from home.

My opinions are based on a judgement of the different types of ownership and comparison revenues in English football. Chelsea and Man City have sugar daddy's, Man Utd and Arsenal have £65 mill plus of additional revenue a year passing through the turnstiles. The business will have to wash its face with these owners, if it doesn't they'll be ruthless.

In terms of Aston Villa, similar ground capacity, last won the league in 81, European cup in 82. Ok we were 7 years ahead of them in terms of progress in the league back then and we've won a European cup in the last decade. Don't be so arrogant as to think we are better than clubs like Villa, like it or not this is where we are.

Ozone

It sounds like you are happy to see us fail, just so that you can prove to yourself and others how great a fan you are.

Sorry - it's not about you.

Luckily for us, we have owners who want to make us successful. That's why they gave Kenny 85 million to spend on players.

Oh, and by the way, we are not Aston Villa. We sell more Adidas-branded merchandise than any other club in the world. That's why Warrior is paying us a small fortune.

05 Apr 2012 22:10:26
Kuyt's agent has spilled the beans, he will be on his way at the start of next season, it has been a long time coming. Aurelio will also be moved on and Maxi who clearly is not in the plans going forward is counting down the days.

I have no doubt that we will get 3 very good replacements for the above mentioned and this will make our squad that much stronger for a place in the top 4 next season!

I am positive all the negativity at the moment will be squashed next season.

We are Liverpool!!

YNWA

05 Apr 2012 22:04:53
Interesting talks of clear out and rebuilds. Da flush has been given every opportunity and support to do this. 100m plus in transfer buys and an end product in terms of football slightly more attractive than Roy Hodgson but results below standard. Unconvincing success in Carling Cup does not remotely signify a successful season or an improvement on last year.

If we are to restore ourselves to be being a big club then we need to stand firn on selling our world class players.

Torres should never have been allowed to leave in January of last year. We are fortunate that his mismanagement by Chelsea and subsequent poor form has not exarcebated our ire towards the acquisition of Carroll.

The purchase of Carroll will long be regarded as one of the worst commercial decisions made in the British transfer markets. He had average form in a short EPL career. He does not work hard enough for long periods of the game.

The first half hour of the game against Newcastle is clear evidence. When he has a passion to perform and impose himself then he looks remotely dangerous. Unfortunately he is nowhere near good enough not to work hard.

To his deFence it is not his fault Dalglish and Comoli where stupid enough to pay Newcastle's asking price.

We over paid for Downing, Henderson and Adam.

The only fair value was for Enrique, Suarez and Bellamy.

I am sorry to say but Dalglish's efforts in restoring unity and support at the club have run out of puff on the back of the rubbish served up in the league in 2012.

I personally do not think he has the ability to manage the team for European Campaigns nor manage star players from the continent.

Building a team of all British players will never win the league again unless they impose foreigner restrictions.

What an absolute plonker you are. There are more inaccuracies and misjudgements in that post than I've read all week.

05 Apr 2012 21:25:32
Eds,
Given that it's the school holidays, I think it would be in the greater public spirit if you could put this video up on the page. Help restore the battered reputation of our number 7 :

The Real KB

05 Apr 2012 21:18:25
Does anyone know how Liverpool got on today in their Nike cup semi final match. Thanks Ali.

05 Apr 2012 21:09:21
I don't subscribe to the theory that a couple of good wingers putting the crosses in will bring out the best in Andy Carroll. In my opinion, the trouble lies in Liverpool's tendency to sit deep, even when we are trying to play offensively. I particularly recall matches against Exeter and Brighton earlier this season where the opposition back four were encamped for long periods on the half way line. In contrast, our back four tend to line up along the edge of our penalty area, with our midfielders not too far ahead of them. In a team like Newcastle, who also like to play high up the field [witness the number off off-side decisions against Suarez etc at the weekend when barely over the halfway line], Carroll will always appear more effective. Unless we adopt an approach that pushes the whole game ten to fifteen metres further forward, then it is unlikely that Andy Carroll will ever achieve his true potential at Anfield and it will probably be mutually beneficial if he goes somewhere else.

The Shoe Shine Boy

05 Apr 2012 20:32:56
Eds do liverpool have a chance of getting fernando muslera IF Pepe wants to leave? {Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}

05 Apr 2012 20:07:02
Hello Ed002,
I know it's far too early to say but if (big "if") Dalglish was to leave, do you think Liverpool will look for another british coach, or look for younger (maybe non British) coaches like Emery, Klopp? Thanks. {Ed002's Note - They would look for the best fit of a manager and put aside any issues of race, creed or origin. Hey, maybe the league's first Native American female manager.}

A female? She better be as hot as her from Chelsea.

Makes sense, female manager to manage a bunch of girls.

Melbourne CFC

So Ed002, is this you publicly declaring your interest in the Chelsea job?

davethebutcher {Ed002's Note - There is simply not time for me to do that and my Real Madrid job at the same time.}

Obviously I meant Liverpool. D'oh!

davethebutcher {Ed002's Note - Screwed me around in the past - I am not interested in it.}

Melbourne cfc.can i just say how exciting and breathtaking it was to see all yr plastic flags blowing in the breeze at chavski.just a word of advice.take a ball with you to the semis cause you wont get the one off barca.oh and torres is still s**te.
jimmybosun.

You mean the CL semi right. Plastic flags may have been in force but we won a CL game. You remember them surely (opening for you to talk about the past). You a mid table team now. 8th and got thumped by a team you bought 2 players from last summer for 40m. Melbourne CFC

05 Apr 2012 20:06:50
Just for fun

1If you could only sign one player in the Summer ( regardless of price) who wouldit be (let's assume they would want to come to Anfield).

If you could only sell 1 player this Summer who would it be.

Buy - Lllorente.
Sell - Adam

D 2308

Buy javi martinez
Sell gerrard

Time for a new era
Kopman

Buy - messi
sell - brad jones

Buy - Mc Clean
Sell - Downing

Buy messi
Sell the tea lady.

Buy - Llorente Sell - Carroll

05 Apr 2012 19:44:42
Not really a rumour, more of a discussion...

After the performances of this year I would be pleased if the owners evaluated Kenny Dalglish's position at the club. The results have been awful. Performances may have been good in some games but at the end of the day it is the result that counts and the results have been dier.

My only issue with sacking Dalglish is it will mean further "clearouts" and "rebuilding". This could be detrimental to the club but obviously the signings that the new manager would bring everyone would hope are better than the expensive transfers Dalglish has acquired.

I would like to see a new manager because I believe Dalglish's tactics are slightly outdated and far too defensive.

Would be interested to hear other peoples thoughts

So what do you propose?

Manager?
Players?

LiverBird

Why are you saying the performances for the year? It's only the second half of the season which has called Kenny's judgement into question.

The performances for the first half of the season were very good, on the whole- we outplayed and beat all the top teams bar Spurs, in league and cups, but couldn't score enough against lower teams.

Results count, yes- but so does giving people enough time, and realising that to change managers every single season will be a disaster.

Give him some bloody time.

05 Apr 2012 19:41:32
The present LFC team reminds me of Kenny Dlalgish's Newcastle team (without Alan Shearer) . They had players like Jon Dahl Tomasson & temuri Ketsbaia upfront that didn't quite work out in terms of the free scoring side NUFC were used to .

I just hope we can sign a striker and really score some goals next season .

Qwerty

I hope we end up second in the epl next year as well...

05 Apr 2012 19:31:21
Ed...so Juve according to La Gazzetta dello Sport have offered 25 million euro for Luis Suarez and are confident that they can agree a fee with LFC in the next few days. Assuming this is true, this would prove two things: that Suarez had a deal with LFC that in the event of not reaching a top four position he'll leave or that LFC are cutting their losses especially after the Suarez Evra fiasco. What is sad again assuking story is true is that after haggling with Ajax for Suarez we are now prepared to let him go without any hassle to Juve. It appears that owners are heading the Aston Villa way...nowhere. {Ed002's Note - Whether it is true or not I think your assumptions are perhaps a little wide of the mark.}

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100% spot on, we are no different to Aston Villa, that is where we are and that's we're going to be for years so the plastic fans should either get used to it or go and support Man City.

Ozone

We are no different to Aston Villa??

Deary me Ozone - I know you like to take the 'high road', but c'mon, Villa?

You my friend would ruin any banter down the pub with your contemptuous viewpoint..

Lee YNWA

Fantastic, very positive! Bit of pollution in your ozone there?

Benzo

Just a realist Lee. We are not big spenders and our youth system will only produce the odd nugget here and there. It's not as if there's a crop in the academy waiting to take the premiership by storm.

Ozone

The truth is OUT finally........

The thinning of Ozone layer is indeed true....

What a pathetic atttiude?? with these kind of attitude you cant even make tea ....forget forge together a team.....

LiverBird

Ozone theres a crop that will eventually take the title. Don't u watch Liverpool reserves?

05 Apr 2012 19:21:18
The owners are "the voracious commercial animals obsessed with cost cutting"? What a bizarre comment.

They recently gave Kenny 85 million to spend, as well as a three-year contract.
Against their better judgment, and largely to appease the fans - people like you.

They have offered some of the largest contracts in baseball here in the US.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your desire to scapegoat the (American) owners.

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A snippet of information from an article in the SB Boston about the Red Sox written by Benjamin Buchanan:-

'A season of frustration saw the Yankees snag one top target Hiroki Kurida and another in Roy Oswalt. Sox settled for a cavalcade of LOW COST options, hoping they could find little gems in the cast offs of other teams. Sox sent Marco Scutoro to the Colarado Rockies in what amount to little more than a SALARY DUMP.'

In no doubt we will see what voracious commercial animals they are in the summer.

Ozone
{Ed002's Note - You cannot compare the two sides of the business.}

Ozone,

Why didnt you mention that they spent more than 300 mil just on two players last season??

Seems you post what suits you......

LiverBird

05 Apr 2012 19:20:42
any news of the new stadium? {Ed002's Note - New stadium? No.}

Ok, redevelopment anfield? {Ed002's Note - Not yet.}

05 Apr 2012 19:20:22
hi ed, how much would liverpool get off warrior in the summer and would it be used to bring in any signings? {Ed002's Note - The amount is £25M a year and there is no indication of how it will be used.}

Nice 25 millions. Lets use all the money on Jarvis

No sod it go all out and buy Davies for 40 million
gaz b

No not jarvis he'd cost 38m
more like wilfried zaha

05 Apr 2012 19:19:15
19 year old Villyan Bijev on loan from Liverpool made his debut for Fortuna Düsseldorf today! Only played 8 minutes, but I remember his trial, looks a talent.

05 Apr 2012 19:18:13
This is in no way realistic,but I would honestly look to do these deals if i were in charge.

SELL:
Reina 18m
Agger 10m
Aurelio -
Aquilani 5m
Cole 2.5m
Kuyt 6.5m
Maxi 2.5m
Suarez 30m
Carroll 15m
total 79.5m

BUY:
Adler -
Benatia 10m
Strootman 14m
Hoilet -
Marin 12m
S Fletcher 9m
De Jong 12m
Bent 18m
total 67m

Team:
Adler
Johnson Skrtel Benatia Enrique
Gerrard Lucas Strootman
Marin
De Jong Bent
Subs:Doni,Kelly,Coates,Adam,Henderson,Hoilet,Fletcher

Sell Agger? Have you seen how our performances have dropped since his injury........
Buy Bent for more than we sold Carroll? Just no.
Have you even seen Marin play?

You must be mental mate

Bent is a proven Prem scorer.Carroll is not.So Prices would be realistic i'd say.

Whats happened to Downing in all of this

I too would sell agger. He's a liability. Have u all noticed how long he's taking to get back to fitness now it's all gone tits up?

We shouldnt sell Agger but we must buy a good center back (Papadopolous for me).....

I love him when he plays for us but you cant ignore that he has hardly played a full season for us. We should hope for a single Van Persie like season from him....

LiverBird

I too would sell agger. He's a liability. Have u all noticed how long he's taking to get back to fitness now it's all gone tits up? {Ed001's Note - he is a slow healer, it has always been an issue with him, unfortunately.}

I think selling agger is really what has to happen but we must buy a fast cb so we can play a higher line and then be more attacking. our midfield sits too deep and it results in the cm's not making any runs into the box hardly, which is why i think we are struggling for goals.

I'd keep Agger, release or let Carra move on a free and buy Albiol as a Carra replacement

05 Apr 2012 19:04:16
Hey Eds,

Just how soon could we agree for the transfer of a player? Can deals be agreed before the transfer window opening ?

Thanks

Mac {Ed001's Note - yes, deals can be done at any time, the players just can't actually move to their new club until a transfer window is open.}

05 Apr 2012 19:04:03
"We just stick together - players, fans, staff, owners. Everybody sticking together. As we've always said, we've got a better chance of getting through it if we stick together.'' Kenny Dalglish

Dara D

I've not seen it put better all week- well said mate.

I'm reminded of the quote they always play on LFC tv from Shankly, about the Kop always being united and loyal.

We won't get top 4 now anyway and it's too late to change players or staff this season, so all the bitching and name-calling will achieve nothing except to demoralise our players if they read forums like these.
Are we being being united and loyal now?
Let's be the kind of supporters that the players are proud to play for.

Agree.

LiverBird

05 Apr 2012 18:50:31
All you people hating kk are just jealous you'll never be as successfull as he is!
Long live kk.

Samantha brick

05 Apr 2012 18:50:16
Eds is there a chance Mirko Slomka from Hannover 96 will replace Dalglish as manager at Liverpool?
And do you rate him? {Ed002's Note - I don't know. I know little of him although I recall him being forced out of Schalke a couple of years ago.}

He has saved Hannover from relegation 2 years ago and finished 4th last season with them.
This season they are playing in the Europa League after beating Sevilla in the Qualification rounds.
Today they will play the second leg of the Europa League quarter finals against Atletico Madrid.
So not a bad job would I suggest.

Its about his tactics. roy hodgeson got fulham to the europa league final, but he was defensive so he wouldn't work out with liverpool. benitez's defensive tactics worked because he had a good eye for players. i think dagleish is good enough atm but if he goes i would like martinez of wigan become our new coach. highy underated in my view.
derryred

05 Apr 2012 18:42:11
Noticed Ed-001 has a problem with Stevie G, yes Stevie G is human, he would love money, he is the best player at Liverpool, has been & will be for a long long time unless some super talent appears.. yes he may not look better than Souness or Dalglsih (even in-terms of trophies).. but one thing certain is Stevie G has been playing for average Liverpool sides while Dalglish & Souness played for the greatest Liverpool sides or one of the greatest Club sides in world football with top players playing around them. And another problem is Stevie G has risked his career playing through pain which has made him very very injury prone compared to Dalglish & Souness which further blocked his improvement.

I think Stevie G deserves his salary & who cares if he is tempted to Chelsea or not he stayed, he is a man dedicated all his entire career to Liverpool, one club man, Mr. Liverpool.

For me the best Liverpool player ever, & one of England finest or Worlds best Center Midfielder.

Sadly have to admit Stevie G we have now is not even a shadow of his former self. And we need a long term replacement for him, We cannot expect him to be playing regularly for Liverpool, It's why we need another quality CM no matter Henderson and Adam stays or not. Shelvey & Spearing can't replace Gerrard. So in the summer sell spearing and make space for another quality CM.

+ one other important reason why we need to keep Stevie G at the club is the commercial & world wide benefits Stevie g brings.. I don't think there is big star in our squad who can replace Gerrard nor we can bring another famous star of his caliber to the club too soon so. remember tours to the east 3X-6X more people will come to watch Liverpool if Stevie g was in the tour, Jerseys with Stevie G on its back... Yes he might not be a bigger brand than Liverpool but he makes the Liverpool brand even bigger.

So Please don't try to undermine Stevie G's status at the club. Yes you can have your say Sounnes & Dalglish miles ahead of Gerrard, but please stop spreading these kind of jiba jabaa conspiracy talks with regard to Gerrard and his wages.

Bosco

Oh dear, oh dear. I was agreeing with you up to the point you said 'sell Spearing'

Suffice to say I didn't read the rest

Mr controversy

Well said bud

Lee YNWA

Love is blind....we need to sell him and move forward!

No need to sell him but he should not play anywhere near CM......

Either on right or in the hole behind the striker.....

LiverBird

From a purely business perspective, the club cant afford to go on paying 135,000 a week for Gerrard, 85,000 a week for Carragher and 100,000 odd for Glen Johnson. Furthermore their performances on the pitch and their time out with injuries further justify their sale this coming summer. For Liverpool to move forward, its imperative that the the overpowering influence that Gerrard and Carragher have over the playing group, and from what I can see the overbearing influence on managers past and present these 2 need to be moved on for the good of the club moving forward.This team cannot move forward if there influence continues to remain.

Steve

05 Apr 2012 18:41:57
Just a question! What has happened to the red card Reina received? Is it one match ban ? Or been confirmed as violent conduct and given 3?
John {Ed002's Note - It is three games. The club were notified and said they would not appeal on Tuesday.}

I don't see why kenny is defending carrolls diving

05 Apr 2012 18:10:00
Too many people on here playing football manager. Saying we could sell Suarez and Gerrard, get 60-70m for them and use it to rebuild the squad. That's not how football works. Who do you think is going to want to join us once we've sold our best players? How much faith do you think prospective signings will have in the project if we dismantle the team in order to rebuild it? Theoretically, Barcelona could sell Messi to City for 200m and use that to sign Rooney, Hazard and Silva. But that's not how football works. Teams need to be built and rebuilt slowly, and money is not the solution to everything. Chelsea's experiment with AVB showed how disastrous it is to write off the older players, and if we sell Suarez now we'll look like a selling club to all prospective signings. It's a slippery slope downhill if we keep selling our best players. So be very very careful what you wish for

Red Ollie

Top post! I've thought this for a while, if we start selling our top class players now we may never return to the top and we'll be also rans for the next 20 years.

WillLFC

05 Apr 2012 18:00:41
Hi eds,
What's actually the philosophy of the owners regarding transfers and the transfer policy?
And what's about this Moneyball stuff?

There is so much inaccurate, wrong talk and uncertainty about it.
So can you please explain what do you know about what the owners aim for with their strategy mainly regarding transfers?

#LFCIloveyou {Ed001's Note - the aim is exactly the same as it was in the days of Paisley: to buy good young players and mould them into Liverpool ones. There is no moneyball involved or any of the other nonsense.}

When the aim is to buy good young players and mould them into liverpool ones, why have we then bought Adam and Downing eds?

05 Apr 2012 17:57:48
ED 001 - is fat frank in disguise

jeff:) {Ed001's Note - Ed002 believes you are trying to compliment me. I just think you are a bit simple personally. Maybe we are both right? Either way I think you need to get out more and grow up a bit.}

For absolute clarity, ED001 is GOD and ED002 is his fiancee

Tel 1949

ED001 -in all my time going to liverpool matches in anfield never once have i heard a fan of lfc slate gerrard,yet ur hidden away in here slating him everyday ? think u belong in the away corner of the ground .

jeff:) {Ed001's Note - are you 5 years old? Seems like you are. I really don't care what you have heard in your little dream world. Sad that you are so pathetic you can't handle people having a differing opinion without accusing them of being supporters of other clubs.}

ED 001 - when gerrard is fully fit ,what team in the premiership would he not get into?my answer -no team .

jeff:) {Ed001's Note - IF being the important word here. He hasn't been fit or good enough in years. So what is your point? Apart from to prove mine that he is being overpaid on the basis that he might just possibly, maybe, one day be fit.}

Ed001 doesnt have some kind of vendetta against Gerrard. Clearly you dont read his posts too well.

He has never doubted his talent. He just said that he has been a negative influence within the club at times.

Nevada

Also Jeff that is faulty logic to infer that simply because he would get into any premiership team that he is excellent. Premiership teams are currently on the wane hence why our only representation in europe is the snowball that is chelsea. Would he walk into Madrid? Barca? How bout this...would he even walk into Bilbao?

Nevada

'If' is definitely the correct word. As much as I love the guy - We haven't seem his drive(consistently)for 2-3 years.

He's still the best Mid we have tho...and the best we'll see for a long, long time.

Lee YNWA

Ed 001 - it dosent come across as an opinion from u about gerrard,youve been slating gerrard for a period of time along with ur buddy nevada,ive been reading ur posts for a while now and i really think u dont have a clue

jeff:) {Ed001's Note - well then you are quite welcome to disagree but I know more about him than you think. But as you are just a random child, with nothing to offer but pathetic little jibes, I really won't let it bother me what you think. Especially as you are so clearly completely clueless regarding the club and your only dispute is the quality of his play, even though no one has disputed he is a top class player. I think you should just give up before you make any more of a fool of yourself and stop wasting my time.}

Can really see both sides of the debate,, above but would just like to say,and this is only my opinion that stevie really misses xabi alonso he had more freedom when the spaniard was controling games. i miss xabi.

gee man

Roy keane was a moody ****,quality player though and the team he was in didnt fold because of this ,why ?because they were top players with confidence in themselves,problem not with gerrard ,problem with the other poor players he has to carry

jeff:) {Ed001's Note - such as Torres in his prime, who Gerrard alienated and caused hassle with? It is not all about the quality of the player, Keane was a team player who put the team ahead of everything. He was moody, but his moods were about wanting more from his team mates and he carried a lot of dross at times himself.}

Of course gerrard misses alonso we havent had a player since that was near the level of alonso for passing ,good old days alonso-gerrard-torres-goal

jeff:)

05 Apr 2012 17:55:54
Beckford and Lambert are scoring for fun in the Championship, they could finish all the chances we create and steer us to top 4 next season

Beckford has proven at Everton he couldn't cut it.
Also, I only need remind you that Carroll was also 'scoring for fun' in the championship to convey the leap in class between the two divisions

Mr controversy

05 Apr 2012 17:39:48
ED 001, I read the comments you made yesterday in regards to your thoughts on Gerrard and him leaving being the best thing for the team in your opinion. I have to say I whole heartedly agree. My question to you Ed001 is do you alsoo consider Carragher to be in that same category? from the outside looking in, it appears to me that Gerrard and Carragher"s influence on this team and club has been left unchecked and unchallenged over the last few years. What are your thoughts?

I also noted ED 002 has stated that while he thought kenny was the right man for the end of last season and coming in to be a caretaker after roy, do you also agree with ED 002 that kenny shouldnt have been appointed this season as the long term manager? IMO i think for LFC to continue to hold onto Kenny, Gerrard and Carragher will be to LFC's detriment moving forward into next season. Id be happy to hear your thoughts Ed's 001/002. Thanks.

Steve {Ed001's Note - one thing all the editors agree on is Carragher's time has come to an end, or rather should have come to an end, as a first team player at Liverpool. Ed002 thinks he should work on the coaching side of the club, but, from what I remember of him, he won't want to do that until he has to. While he will continue taking his coaching badges, I think we should allow him to move on a free to continue his playing career at the highest level he can. I just can't imagine him being happy as a coach yet, plus I would prefer to clear out his and Gerrard's influence from the club.
Ed002 stands by the comments she made regarding Kenny, but I don't think that was ever going to be an option, as I said at the time. That was why FSG were so reluctant to appoint him, they knew it wouldn't be possible to appoint him on a short term basis unless the club got relegated. Personally I don't see the point in appointing a man, then not giving him time, we will never get anywhere like that. Assess the situation at the end of each season and make a decision then.}

Thanks ed001

steve

Ed001 and / or Ed002,
Are the fates of Kenny and Comolli entwined?
If one were to be stood down, should the other ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - I don't believe that they are.}

Then who, in your opinion, has the greater longevity ed002 ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - I am on old man already KB and Ed001 is much younger. By the time he gets to my age science will have moved on so I think Ed001 will see me out by some distance.}

Well thats the best news we've had for a month or two ! Lol.
But you know what I meant, who'll be at the club longer, Comolli or Kenny ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - I would say Dalglish but not in his current role (hedging my bets of course).}

05 Apr 2012 17:37:14
Hearing all these comments and phone ins about kk out........please,please stick with him and lets all stick together, everybody including kenny is gutted the way our new signings have developed...but we are all in this together so if we sack kk then what get martin o,neil or somebody else for 12/18 months then that doesnt wrok out sack them and the cycle continues.......lets all STICK TOGETHER

Let's buy a load of superglue! that should do the trick!

05 Apr 2012 17:36:18
I'm really concerned about Liverpool Football Club!
If we sell players like Suarez and buy players like Matt Phillips instead we surely won't challenge for the top 4 never mind the title for a very very long time!

lfcmylove

For all you know matt phillips could be the next big thing, just because he oesnt yet play at a prem club doesnt mean he isnt good enough. look at mcclean of sunderland.

05 Apr 2012 17:21:32
Hi eds im just wondering why does G Johnson want to leave. is it contract issues cause i cant see why he would want to leave to a club like aston villa like u have mentioned earlier {Ed001's Note - to move closer to home perhaps? I don't remember anyone saying he wanted to leave as such.}

I'm sure Glenn is quite happy to stay and have a guaranteed place at RB even when playing badly and pick up his 90k a week. The real question is does LFC benefit from having Johnson?

05 Apr 2012 17:16:24
hi eds just thought i'd put a thought out over type of players liverpool should buy what got me thinking is remarks eden hazard "stepping stone" comment when i first read thought what a cheek don't want players like that but i like to see what readers thought if offered to types of players young european/south americans who have a ambition to move to barca/real who to achieve objective have to put in eye catching performances there for if they achieve dream move means where doing well on pitch and would bring in massive fee to be used to bring in a few move similar types who if one or two reach similar standards keep us on upward trend onthe field and give us stronger finances longer term hoping we become the force that no one would want to leave or brittish talent who seem in awe of how historic we are or who see us as reaching or surpassing there goal and feel have nothing more to prove i think we done the latter this year and the former must be tried this year any thoughts? {Ed002's Note - Broadly I agree but (a) Hazard will cost £30M or more and that is not where the club wants to be, and (b) a move to Real Madrid or Barcelona will not bring "a massive fee" except in the most exceptional of circumstances.}

In repiy i didn't mean sign hazard as he is already to high profile i mean comments made by him as example and although fee might not always be massive if we were to sell on almost certain to bring in more than we spent or small loss if failed to reach potential rather than huge loss we'd make if sold on carroll,downing,henderson etc

05 Apr 2012 17:13:17
can we please get behind the team, this is not about this season or next, this is a long tearm project. players come in, some do not work out.
then you ship them out and try some one else.
you spend time training your players to play to your vision. (dose not happen over night.)
It may take two or three seasons, I can wait, would rather have a team that can challange for the top four every season , than in and out of top four like past five or so years.
look at the best teams they take time to build,
you can spend a lot of money and get nothing. Man cit look like they may end up with nothing, wanna be like them.
I will judge kenny after three seasons and not before.
liverpool fc is not my team, its my relgion.
ynwa. till the day i die

''I will judge kenny after three seasons and not before.''

By that time chump either Mcarthy Warnock or Holloway will have tried to get you in the Championship playoffs ...
and back in the PL:)))

Flippin eck I love this forum

Blue247

Seriously this Blue247 must have no life what so ever cause everytime I check the pages he's replied to almost every post!

Seriously mate go outside it's good for ya

Oh and even though we have had a shocking season in the league we have still done the double over you without conceding a goal and your only a point above us. So think before you post un-witty and un-funny replies.

05 Apr 2012 17:01:11
Well, we should be thankful for small mercies.
At least Andy Carroll and Charlie Adam haven't been pictured on the old shisha pipes this week.

Not The Real Ken Dodd

05 Apr 2012 16:45:07
Hi All

In regards to current players, I would like to see Henderson and Downing stay. As somebody already mentioned, Lucas struggled to adapt in his younger years and maybe Henderson will do the same. For this reason, I'd give him another chance.

Whilst Downing had a shocking start to the season, he has looked threatening in recent weeks. I think he just needs a good run in the team now he's finding his feet.

In terms of outgoings: Carroll, Adam, Kuyt, Aurelio and Maxi should be shipped out along with the crop out on loan.

I've backed Carroll from Day One but am running out of patience with the lad. The way I see it is he's taking up a place in the team that could be better filled instead of keeping him for the sake of our pride.

Kuyt, Maxi and Aurelio have all been decent for us at times but aren't getting any younger and with contracts up within the next 18months or so, it would be worth getting any possible fee for the first two.

Adam just hasn't been good enough for me. I had great expectations like many of him being Alonso like on his style and being the missing piece in our midfield. But he hasn't. He looks for the 'Hollywood' pass far too often and could probably claim more assists for the opposition with the amount of fouls he concedes in ridiculous places.

In terms of players coming in, a right winger, creative midfielder and two strikers are vital. I would like to see us revert to the 4-2-3-1 formation that worked so well under Rafa. With Gerrard and Lucas holding, we could have Suarez playing just behind a goal-scoring machine. Being realistic, one could be hard to find.

I don't know much about him but Ramirez seems to be a favorite to sign and could do a good job. Am I right in thinking he is Uruguayan? Could be tempted by Suarez. My favorite would be Dempsey. Whilst he's not the youngest, he is Premier League proven and has goals in him

Luuk De Jong can play on the right as well as up top and this versatility could be beneficial. Zaha or Matt Phillips would provide strong back up for both wings as well as Sterling who should be given more chances.

Whilst these are my views I'm sure many of you will disagree with some points but feel free to share yours.

Cheers Eds
CSE9

Pretty much agree apart from the your Adam comments. I think Charlie has a future at Liverpool. He is being played out of position a bit. He was asked to do too much tracking back and tackling hence giving away fouls. Not his strengths. His passing is world class.

Gazza

I truly believe Henderson will be a top player better than Lucas I can just see it.. Bale wasnt very good early days and Ronaldo didn't set the world a light straight away.. He's got something Mark my words.

Pookymonster

Gazza, I think charlie adam is playing at a club above his level, regardless of what position he plays.

steve

Henderson will never be as good as lucas

05 Apr 2012 16:45:07
we may take a £20m hit on carroll if we sell him but if we sell suarez as well.. he could make a £20m profit.. so, the only loss is wages? TOP 3 NEXT SEASON!

ryan c belfast ynwa

So we're going to get £65 mill for Suarez then as I'd be surprised if there were suitors for Carroll at £10 mill.

Ozone

05 Apr 2012 16:37:23
"A Footstep from Comoli"

"The past is history." I said that last night. My brother-in-law still lives in Liverpool (well Formby as he has pretensions to be rich!) and is a royal Bluenose. He was jibing at our history and saying we spend so much time banging on about it that we forget to look forward. For the first time since he scratched my Audi loading my mother's Stannah liftchair into it, I found myself agreeing with him.

Last night's Chelsea scrape-through convinced me that we are weighed down with history; Chelsea are so desperate, so desperate it needs saying twice, to reach their holy grail, they believe will bring them the immortality of European glory. We have that. Been there, done that. Yet we still loook back rather than forward when it comes to our planning. Nothing wrong with looking back - after all, we are five times European legends and respected throughour Europe. I say Europe as in reality, Europe is all that matters in world football.

We looked back for KK. We looked back to resurrect the spirit of Shankly and we seem to be looking back when it comes to hopes for the future. If the newspapers (bah!) are to be beleived, then solid and reliable Dirk Kuyt will slide out of Liverpool at the end of the season. I wish him well as he has been a player (like Hysen and Wark) who may not have been the most taltened, eyt seemed to give his all - all the time. He's 31 so time to look forward. But three paragraphs and a dozen postings away, any suggestion of getting rid of Gerrard brings apoplexy! Yet SG is older than Kuyt and more miles on the clock.

Over at the landfill site for Liverpool at The Fairground of Fantasy, Sir Axel has never been one for sidestepping the buring issue - how to get rid of the legend. he did it with Beckham (legend in his own world) and people like Staam, Keane and Sheringham. Age is no barrier to humiliation. It happens to us all; we need to move on at some stage. I suspect that Forgerson would think hard about sliding Giggs or Scholes out, but he would do it. Okay! SG has a couple of years left at this level and more should he fall back to a role as a defensive sweeper or sit in front of Agger and Skrtel. But why even discuss this you ask?

No, I don't think we should get rid of SG. I think he has at LEAST two more seasons with us. My point is we need to start thinking about it, not harking back to the past glories of him and Carragher, thinking it was always thus and will also be. There will be a time when SG is not there. Do we have anyone in the current squad to replace him? Maybe we will just buy someone when the time comes? Kuyt? Well we must have someone in mind or a perfect replacement in the Academy/reserves if we are saying "doei" to him.

Don't go looking for answers in all this - I don't have anything like that. Just asking a question, musing on what we don't want to hear. Rather like not wanting to know we face a billion eternities of blackness! Back to life, back to reality ..... this summer could be a real 'departure lounge' if KK remains. I am expexcting some surprising people to be hsown the door. Myabe I should say some people surprisingly shown the door. Then again, if Bellamy, Agger (always injured), Carragher, Spearing and Henderson go, I will be vindicated. I'll also be a little shocked and saddened as I like Bellamy and think Agger is probably our best 'offensive' defender.

KK will be our manager next season. That came to me as I mused on it from Tuesday onwards. No shock there, even to people like myself who ask uncomfortable questions.

Steve Parker

Steve, I think the transition from legend to bit-part player is always difficult, and Kenny himself managed that with a couple of players in his first stint as manager.
SG is approaching that transition phase- I don't know how close he is yet, but like Carra, it will happen, and we can't allow his legend status to mask the fact that he can't perform at the top level, when that time comes.
Personally, my view is that he doesn't have two full seasons left in him as an automatic starter for LFC, and I hope that he can accept it with grace when the time comes that, like Carra, he has to take a supporting role.

Summer is going to be really interesting.
I can't wait for it actually. Ever the optimist me, I am keenly awaiting what will happen.
The posts yesterday, and ed001's opinion on selling Gerrard, were very good.
It's a point worthy of discussion.
Even more so, is how SG himself will handle his waning influence and powers. And how the manager (Kenny !) will manage him.
What makes me laugh is all the posters who would agree with the 'we look back too much' argument, and then promptly want Rafa Benitez back !
And there's no way Rafa would work with Comolli.
The Real KB

Good post Steve as always.

My views on Gerrard have been well documented today and perhaps a little mis understood. I have never advocated selling him, just reducing his influence as ability wise he still has plenty to offer. I just wanted people to view him a bit more objectively.

Great post Steve.

Nevada

05 Apr 2012 16:26:05
Dutchmal Argrghhhhh

Please elaborate and sign it.

Dutchmal

05 Apr 2012 16:19:55
I really don't see wats the problem with everyone. The chances made this season and the football we have played at times is great and the best I've seen for 2 seasons, the only problem is putting the ball in the net. Keep luis and get a goal scorer 20 goal a season man like we had with torres and we will see changes. Carling cup and maybe fa cup even getting too final wud be great for team and fans. And considering we are that bad and sum fans say the team not good enuff, wat will u be saying if we pick upp too cups this season with our poor team, I no wat will be sed we can win leeg next season we can doo this and that hw about just support the lads insted ov thinking ur boss rant over.

''the only problem is putting the ball in the net.''

More Gems from the weird and mysterious world of the wise Liverpool fans...

Lovin these forums:)

Blue247

I take the point you are making- despite the current losing streak looking really bad, we are not that far from turning it around. IMO, it won't take very many changes to turn these losses into convincing wins.
But my God, do we need some goals...

05 Apr 2012 16:18:37
Any chance of Sami Hyppia coming back as a coach? I think we've lost a lot of influence in the club when he left. Not just with him but with a few more. I'd even have Roy Evans back at the club.

Spriggo

I'd have them both back as well mate

Chris in Tamworth

Instead of who lads ?
The Real KB

05 Apr 2012 16:08:32
If Chelsea somehow manage to win the ucl, it would mean all the 4th spot nonsense meant nothing . So regardless if we were 9th or 4th it wouldn't matter really . If we win the fa cup we would have 2 trophies n no champs league regardless. I know that it's not a pretty sight to see Liverpool so far down the table but I'd be gutted to see us finish 4th with no trophies and no ucl . What do you think people?
Uruseb {Ed002's Note - Winning the FA Cup brings a bonus in respect of it saves Liverpool playing in the first two rounds of the Europa League.}

Why do you guy's all think you have one the F.A cup already. {Ed002's Note - You seem to have missed that the original poster said "If we win ..."}

Thats a b***** big IF .the players have got to get it together just keep carroll of that pitch the waste of space be lucky if we get a mars bar wrapper fo him

05 Apr 2012 15:57:31
Thank you Kenny for buying some of the worst players in Liverpool history.Carroll makes Nunez look good. Thank you for making us a mid table club, a team full of players who have no heart no passion and most of all no ability. F**k the fa cup you should go back on the cruise you came from. Managers are judged on the league table and the players signed.Kenny i would give you a score of -3/10 it would have been 0/10 but after looking at the table that would be to kind. FSG please sack this man he will take us to the championship and i dont want to be playing barnsley next season

If you are a Liverpool fan - then shame on you...

Lee YNWA

Well said Lee.... whoever our nameless friend is, one things for certain, hes not the kind of supporter our great club wants or deserves

tel 1949

Mid table team under hodgson and raffa.
so whats ur point, give kenny time to get the players he wants and to play the way he wants.

Kenny had his chance to get the players he wanted and look at what we ended up with"total rubbish"
It's time for kenny to step down

05 Apr 2012 15:54:56
Banter:
For the first time in league history Man United will DOUBLE us in points. They look to be on their way to over 90 points this year (possibly 97 if they win ever game of the remaining 7, which they might very well). That means we need 7 more points out of the final 7 games to avoid this (and land on 49 points). While most on here would be disgusted at the thought of getting only 7 from 7, we are only averaging just over a point per game, so this is a very real possibility.

FSG are interested in stats so I thought this might interest them.

We have a tough game against Aston Villa this weekend. Shouldn't be tough, ofcourse, but it will be. Kenny says the players were "impressive in training". Hmmmmm. Sometimes I think Kenny has dementia. Is that possible? Imagine if he actually has dementia, and here we have all been calling for his sacking! I would feel horrible.

I truly feel that someone should make a compilation of memorable Kenny quotes (eg: "Downing is better than we thought" and "Nothing that happened here today had anything to do with Luis Suarez" and ofcourse, "It will take quite a player to make this squad better"). There are enough ridiculous quotes to truly make a novel. I think I would just call it 'walking alone, with Kenny Dalglish'.

Just for fun guys.....I still love kenny, but I prefer the Kenny of the 80's. The 21st century Kenny is missing pieces.

Canada Red

Kenny is very loyal to his team always trying to install confidence by talking the team up.....Not like a lot of you muppets on here
Bobbinred

No you got it wrong,kenny is always talking s**t,have you heard his after match interveiws??

Take them blinkers off and stand back and look WE ARE PLAYING S*** get the two off them out and lets get to playing football again

05 Apr 2012 15:45:05
Another rubbish interview on ssn from kenny.He just seems to brush the last 3 months under the table he should be on job seekers by now. And to the guy that said most fans are behind him well i was in the stands and there was booing after the wigan game he is not invincible he is an embarresment to liverpool the whole town to let the blues overtake us in the league is unacceptable.Kenny aint no king no more he is a has been a terrible manager with no sense of reality. If he keeps loosing the stands with become empty i will not be paying all that money to watch that crap no more.

05 Apr 2012 15:36:57
Ed001, I was just wondering what are your thoughts on the earlier post about the how committed Steven Gerrard is?

YNWA {Ed001's Note - the one by Nevada? I agree with him, Gerrard has done things that show his primary commitment is to himself. How can he refuse to play on the right wing for Rafa and still hold the captaincy? Hand in a transfer request and still hold on to it? It is not an issue as such, so long as people bear it in mind and remember why he is by far our highest paid player.}

So eds why the did the club offer him a new contract when he had years to run on the old one? {Ed001's Note - because they want to keep him.}

Ed, why dont people see jay spearing as a captin. As I see him as a furture arm band holder. Do you? {Ed005's Note - He's not even good enough for Liverpool let alone to captain us.}

Spearing as captain?!?! Are you having a laugh mate! He is the luckiest player on earth to be wearing the Liverpool shirt. He's only in the team because he's a "local lad".

No mate, that was Paul Konchesky

AG

05 Apr 2012 15:29:56
Is this a conspiracy theory:

Kenny Dalglish wasn't given the job outright when he took over. So Kenny was never in the position to demand things or else, but took what ever the American owners decided to give him. Dalglish is old style manager who likes full control over every part of the football club and at the moment he is a puppet with John Henry hand up his ass.

It seems to me that Kenny has very little control over the football club apart from the first team selection and then he has to bend over and take it from the Americans as to what type of player should be transferred.

The Fans should understand that Kenny isn't in charge of the club. The Owners are pulling the wool over our eyes. Our misfortunes can be tracked back to the Americans decision to buy British. The Americans decision to use more of youth team than buy players.

The Americans have tried to run this club like a business and not a football club.

John Henry, lets face facts they bought a club with a massive reputation for £288 million. They are hoping to sell the club for £600 million or even a billion if they find someone.

In the meantime they will juice fans for every penny.
They will spend minimum on players purchases.

We didn't go out and break the bank on player purchases. The numbers all add up and that is no way to close the gap on man city.

The management is looking at getting ride of more high wage earners like Glen Johnson. They would get ride of Gerrard if the fans could accept it.

1- I see us as a "sell to buy club"
2-"wage restricted club"
3-under investment in new stadium equals charging more to ordinary fans
4- Americans and franchises, I don't like John Henry's bull like I didn't like Hicks bull.

Success is a luxury Liverpool will be able to afford while Americans own the club. I would float the club on the stock exchange and let the fans own it. At least at the shareholders meeting, our voice would be heard.

If Kenny had left, the fans would see the owners for what they really are. {Ed001's Note - have you suffered a bang on the head recently? You seem to have lost the plot somewhere.....}

Dude, you shouldn't blog after you've been smokin.....

You are a total muppet. John henry saved this club and gave the fans their choice of manager and funded a huge summer window. He is more important to this club then anyone. He has done all the right things and he is the right owner for us. If you dont like it im sure the blue half would want you total muppet people like you make me sick.

He's all yours mate...plus he seems quite at home with some of you...:)

Aint these forums a gassss:)

Blue247

The Best thing for John Henry and the rest of FSG in terms of making a nice profit on the future sale of the club is to make it the biggest in the world in terms of Brand, financially, Team etc.

FSG are not into investing for short term profits either so the above is their goal, they will try to do this in a sustainable way as it ensures greater future stability

Ska-oop

05 Apr 2012 15:40:58
Kenny says the players reaction was really good in training. Thank God. I was really getting worried there for a minute.

Coop

05 Apr 2012 15:40:02
Well I don't know about you all but I am very releived.kenny has just confirmed that players have trained well..
That surely makes all things good..
Guess hendo did a drible and beat 3 players,carrol scored hattrik and downing hit the post again..but most of all enreque for once did not shy from tackel..

Red indian

Training well probably meant that they all got a good work out on FIFA
Who cares if they train well as long as we win on a weekend etc I dont really care

05 Apr 2012 15:07:26
My mate has just got a trail with the Sun ive told him exactly what i think about the paper and hes still going to work for them all he said was why don't Liverpool fans just move on and then i went on a massive rant about why the Sun will never be forgiven and why all who are involved with news international are complete idiots
I have told him if he wants to do it then im not going to try and stop him because it is a good chance for him but i wont be reading anything he writes
Kanos

You shouldn't be friends with him, chances are he will doyouover if their is half honest story in it for him. He is now scum.

What has this got to do with anything-oh and how old is your mate- sounds like he's about 7.

To be honest, I won't buy the Sun or read anything in it, but the real villain behind those headlines was Kelvin McKenzie, and he is now working for the Daily Mail, so I personally can't bring myself to ever read anything the Mail publishes.

Even the Evertonians don't bother with that sleazy rag Kanos..
Is your ex-buddy from Merseyside ??

Blue247

05 Apr 2012 15:02:32
For me £6million for Ibrahim Afellay is a no brainer. Strong, quick, powerful, skillful, can score, can provide, fully fit now, great attitude and can play right/left/central. Hope we can get in there quick because he will surely attract a lot of attention. The club are tracking him, I do know that. Would be a fantastic addition.
Kev7

How come only 6 mil? Are you under pricing him or does he have some kind of messed up contract?

Ell. {Ed002's Note - He has been out with a serious injury and only recently returned to training.}

I think he would cost more than £6m not a lot more but more

The reports that I've seen are that barcelona maybe willing to sell for £6million. They only bought him for £3million so would profit out of the sale.
Kev7

05 Apr 2012 14:46:23
I thought I would (try) and raise a topic of conversation for people to comment on. Yesterday, I returned from Barcelona where I had been staying for the last 5 nights. Aside from drinking ourselves stupid like your archetypal "Brit abroad", me and a few mates went to the Camp Nou to see Barcelona vs Athletic Club (Bilbao) on Saturday night.

Having never been to a game abroad before, one of the things that struck me was the atmosphere. It was so quiet and felt a lot like going to the theatre or watching a show (the guys in front of me were even sharing a popcorn.) The fans only seem to cheer and sing when the team are doing something worth singing or cheering about. Rather than the crowd lifting the players, the players seem to inspire the crowd. It is almost as if the crowd feel as though they have made the effort to pay for the ticket and go and watch the game and it is now up to the players to put on a show.

All this made me think about how people say Anfield has got quieter over the last season or so and therefore it has a direct link to the performances of the players. Many say there is a direct link between the noise the crowd makes and the performance of players on the pitch.

My question is; do you think that English/British players are mentally weaker than players that come from abroad? Do they need to feel "loved" a lot more than their counterparts overseas in order to perform?

I also remember Didi Hamann saying how Rafa Benitez was the best coach he'd ever worked with and how he would regularly have debates with Steven Gerrard who felt he didn't show enough encouragement to his players and praise them when he should. I got the feeling that being praised and "patted on the back" didn't really matter to him whereas Gerrard thought it important.

I'd be interested to hear the Ed's/posters thoughts.

Ash

Like most English player's need an arm round their shoulder! Some of our English player's need a hand or two round their throat's!

05 Apr 2012 14:36:18
Kenny really help british football :) pay carroll good money and use much for hendo downing.

rock

Erm what?

Can you put that in English please!

05 Apr 2012 14:34:08
Last 12 games be4 the sack : AVB 15 points , Bruce + McCarthy 10 , Warnock 8 .. Kenny now 8 !

and Still in charge. Lucky.

R-R

Yes but none of the clubs had a bright future, won the Carling Cup, qualified for Europa and so far got into the Semi Final of the FA Cup had they? Our league form hasn't been best, but stop basing everything on it like it's the be all and end all. If we get to the final of the FA Cup I'll be very happy with our progress this Season, because to be honest 4th was too hard of an aim with the limited squad we have at the moment.

Thanks, Ell.

Non of them won the league, kenny won it more than once. redwaz

05 Apr 2012 14:11:42
I just wonder if we were top of the league by 8 points would the same people be calling for Kennys head. If we had a bit more luck and scored more goals we coulda been 8 or even 10 points clear, so when you look at the positives it wud be madness to sack Kenny!

THE SLING

I agree its wonderful to have a team that relies on luck to win games... when our luck comes in we will win the league. Until then we just have to sit and wait even if its for another 50 years as there is nothing you can do about luck

If anyone ask kenny to go he/she not wrong.

People like you get on my nerves look at the table mate

Stop dreaming, Liverpool will never be the top of the league never mind 8-10 points clear!
Fools!

I wonder if Woy had got to top of the league by 8 points...
Now there's a poser for you ''Kenny's one of us'' brigade
If HE just had a bit more luck...

You chumps never fail to come out with some pearlers...

And that's why I love these forums:)

Blue247

What a stupid question if we were top of the league there would be no issues! But the fact were 8th and lost 6 on the last 7 is not good enough.

But we didn't and we're nearer to relegation than Champions League.

Ash

Of course they wouldn't. But we're not top of the league by 8 points, you can't rely on luck and we pretty much have the worst goalscoring record in the league.

You an see where the discontent breeds from..

I don't want kenny to get sacked, but arguments based on 'luck' and 'what ifs' are futile.

davethebutcher

Blue 247
I heard that a copy of this weeks league table has just been added to Evertons trophy cabinet.

I also love these forums : D
Robbie80

Quite possibly the stupidest question ever asked by anyone on this site (and boy have there been some choice ones!) JimK

Robbie80 - Fantastic!

I say let the bitters have their moment, we'll show them who's boss at Wembley...

Lee YNWA

''I heard that a copy of this weeks league table has just been added to Evertons trophy cabinet.

Nope it's the last original Rob:) All the others were sent to... K.Dalglish Esq.
courtesy of Fenway Sports Group

Best Regards

J.(I'm losing my patience and you don't get another wooden nickel outa me you schmuck ) Henry.

Oh I do love these forums:)

Blue247

Blue247 quality mate bloody brilliant lol

DeepblueT

Think it's clear too see whos pressing the disagree button on positive posts eh? Haha

Every Blue nose post has a ridiculous amount of agrees, very quickly...Like your comments/own voice much bitters?

Lee YNWA

05 Apr 2012 14:11:29
whats this about Dembele coming? He can barely get in the Fulham team and hasnt even scored many goals that i can remember. He is a mid table team player but i wouldnt be suprised if he came in the summer because kenny love getting these average players for a club like Liverpool. Get Rafa back at least he knew talent when he saw it.

Club like Liverpool, for the moment you can't deny that we ARE a mid table club

Lfec

That's just the start of the garbage that we are going to be linked with in the summer, better brace yourself!

I'm setting my hopes on getting players like Dembele though, because then when we get Junior Hoilett (Who's obviously the next Messi) instead, it will feel like winning the Lotto!

StrabaneRed

PS: Just seen the fee for Dembele is £15M, what a steal that would be, I thought he would be at least £25M!

Break the bank for him Kenny! lmfao

Unfortunately it's a rumour.

Dembele is a very good player. Better than Henderson, Adam and Downing put together. The only issue is his end product which he can improve in bundles at LFC!

05 Apr 2012 14:10:54
Hey eds,

I know we've considered Matt Jarvis in the past, why don't we go for him again in the summer? He's a versatile winger and in the england set up. Also, he'll be a free at the end of the season. Bargin buy in my opinion?

Cheers

He is a poor player, my Uncle is a season ticket holder at Wolves and was as shocked as anyone when Jarvis got an England call-up. Yes he has pace, but his crossing is consistently poor and his shooting is also poor.

RedSG

He's about your level - low/mid-table

Oh boy - not only are we only able to attract mid-table to Championship players, but we actually want them.

I think i'm going to hibernate or bury my head in the sand until September!

StrabaneRed

05 Apr 2012 14:00:42
Most fans on here have had enough of andy carroll and yes he hasnt been as prolific as he was at newcastle.At newcastle andy got the service he needed to do the job, plenty of crosses easy as ! He arrives at LFC and its obvious to see we need quality wingers brought in to service the big man.Thats one thing we havnt had for years a player that can beat a defender with speed and get quality crosses in the box. In the 1st team squad no players have done this all season, Kuyts to slow Downing to inconsistant and tends to cut inside,the only player who has is Johnson on the rare occasion.Its not rocket science give him the service and the big man will score, it was a proven formula at newcastle why try to change the players style, its the team that needs to adapt to andy style of play.Wing it, cross it and the goals will fly in Bingo easy as !

I'd rather give him the heave ho than the service he require's!

05 Apr 2012 13:57:48
Many supporters would agree that if this was our squad next year, we would be challenging for the champions league spots again:

GK Reina

RB Johnson
CB Skrtel
CB Agger
LB Enrique

CDM Lucas
CDM Gerrard

RM Bellamy
CAM Ramirez
LM Downing

ST Suarez

Subs: Doni, Kelly, Coates, Henderson, Sissoko, Phillips, Carroll

If that were our team, I'd play gerrard where ramirez is, sissoko where gerrard is and ramirez where bellamy is

In my opinion, Suarez is least effective in the lone-striker role. I understand that you have Bellamy, Ramirez and Downing as a flexible attacking support, which would link with Suarez well. But Suarez plays best when he can pull deep to retrieve the ball and then push forward. We would need another striker in front of Suarez. Possibly a new signing of ilk of Matias Suarez or Luuk de Jong. I think Doni, Kuyt and Johnson will probably be departing in the summer, so I would have Kelly in the first X1 and may be buy a backup goalkeeper. I would also look to buy a natural right winger rather than adhere to another season with players being played out of their natural positions.

KennyD JFT96

05 Apr 2012 13:55:44
hello eds, ive been reading the posts on this site and it got me thinking, in the summer it is obvious that better quality players are needed in order to try and take us upwards instead of the decline weve witnessed lately. however we spent foolishly and paid over the odds on certain players, and recouping those amounts paid after 1 season may prove hard so we could be 1 stuck with under achieving players or 2 take a hefty loss on those same players. plus on the likes of kuyt and johnson i dont see us getting anywhere near the valuation expected, this would also apply to the sale of suarez. therefore the players needed may just be out of reach as money could be tight, so next season may again be a nearly season. i dont know if youd agree but will you post this anyway
billy

05 Apr 2012 13:52:46
Liverpool Team for remainder of season:

Reina
Johnson Kelly Skrtel Enrique
Spearing Shelvey
Suarez Gerrard Downing
Carroll

------------

Carroll = Morgan
Downing = Sterling
Spearing = Coady
Shelvey = Henderson
Gerrard = Suso
Suarez = Adojan
Enrique = Robinson
Skrtel = Carra
Kelly = Wisdom
Johnson= Flanagan
Reina = Belford

We need to start playing the youngsters otherwise what is the point in having a reserve & under 18 team...

BigD

I think Agger will play an important part when he comes back from injury so I would place Kelly at right back and Agger back at centre back.

KennyD JFT96

And no coates or agger? belford?

05 Apr 2012 13:52:21
It is clear to everyone that LFC are going to have a clearout. I, personally, hope that the clearout does not include Andy Carroll or Luis Suarez. Both are young and show glimpses they can work off eachother and could be formidable in years to come. I believe we should keep both of them for atleast another year and bring in a quality back up striker (LDeJong or Soldado if possible)

Also a central midfielder which teams fear has been missing since mascherano left, Jay Spearing is average and we need someone with a big presense in the midfield. I think Moussa Sissoko would be perfect. He is big, strong, skillful and can score goals.

I also believe we need atleast one new winger (Phillips or Marin if possible). Our wingers currently cant seem to cross a ball and Dirk seems to be on his way out unfortunately so one or two new wingers needed and im sure Phillips and Marin wont break the bank.

A new tricky, attacking midfielder who can open up a defence is so desperately needed. Someone like Gaston Ramirez or Shinji Kagawa. These are both two very creative midfielders who could be useful in a wide position if needed.

Going out should be Johnson (if he wants out), Dirk (looks older everytime he plays), Maxi (good servant but inaffective nowadays), Aurelio (never plays and Jack Robinson is coming through), Aqua and J.Cole also both certainties to go.

So if Liverpool can bring in:
Moussa Sissoko
Phillips / Marin
Ramirez
Luuk De Jong

and keep carroll and Suarez while getting rid of the "deadwood" I can see Liverpool pushing on for the champions league places once again.

Thanks Ed's.
GeordieRedYNWA

GeordieRedYNWA i know we all stand by our kinsmen but showing glimpse's is not enough! It's been 14 month's 8 goal's! but he's always handy to have round the place? when it come's to changing a lightbulb! your saying keep him? he do'snt want to be here! and Kenny know's he made a mistake buying him! if we had a poll on here asking fan's agree if you want him to stay disagree for him to be moved on do you seriously think the agree's would outnumber the disagree's? And don't you think that with a better striking partner that Luis would up his game? if what's being lauded now that we are to rebuild again then i want Andy Carroll to be shown the door 1st quickly followed by Charlie Adam!

05 Apr 2012 13:40:05
Right few questions regarding Suarez & Carroll.

1. If we sell them both how much realistically would we fetch

2. We would need replacements and considering we are not in the CL the replacements would be hard to find as everyone wants Cavani, Hulk etc...

3. Finally who realistically would you want, and the club attract..

BigD

Suarez - £35m
Carroll - £15m

That recoups £50m

However i would not sell Suarez at any cost instead i would go all out to get Cavani with help from Suarez i think we would have a good chance of persuading him he would cost £35m and wages of £100,000 a week so would not be cheap but just imagine him with his fellow countryman it would be devastating, remember few years ago under Rafa we wanted Villa to partner Torres but the owners then would not sanction the move even tho Villa was keen, maybe this time round we can pull it off...

I think realistic prices for the players are as follows:

Suarez 30-35m
Carroll 15-20m

People might not like it but their value is not as high as people think, I personally even think 20m is 5m more than people will be willing to pay for Carroll.

As far as replacements go...

De Jong to replace Suarez - this is realistic

Nevada

Villa was never keen, he has consistently said throughout his career he has no interest in moving to premiership.

Nevada

Who would pay £15m for Carroll?

£15million for Caroll? LMFAO

Sell
carroll £15m-£18m
johnson £10m-£12m
cole £4m-£5m
aquilani £5m
kuyt £7m-£8m
amoo £1m
pacheco £1.5m-£2m
adam £4m

around £50m

summer budget £35m + £50m = £85m

buy
matias suarez £20m 23yr
kagawa £15m 23yr
afellay £8m 26yr just turned 26 on the 02/04
de jong/d.texiera £15m both 21yr
pablo armero £7m 25yr
gaston ramirez £15m 21yr

no cm as lucas would be like a new signing

= £80m

riena

kelly, skrtel, agger, enrique

gerrard lucas

suarez g.ramirez afellay

m.suarez

gk.reina, gulacsi, belford
rb.kelly, flanagan, mendy
lb.enrique, armero, smith (robinson on loan)
cbr. skrtel, carra, sama
cbl. agger, coates, wisdom
hcm. lucas, spearing, coady
cm. gerrard, henderson, shelvey
am. kagawa, joao teixeira, adorjan
rm. gaston, silva
lm. afellay, sterling
fwd. luis, bellamy, suso
st. matias, de jong/d.texeira

thats 22 first team players and about 12 reserves worked into the team.

05 Apr 2012 22:51:50
Let's keep what we have, bring in the youngsters and give me this.
Got to be worth a go.
DaveyBootle

Jordan Rhodes - 30 Goals

05 Apr 2012 13:26:06
Alex Ferguson spent £24 Million pounds in 7 years between 1986 and the summer of 1993 to win the Premier League title .

Kenny Dalglish spent less at Blackburn Rovers and won the Premeir League in half the time from a division lower .

I just hope Kenny Dalglish has some answers to this season and something to look forward to for next season , if we lose the FA Cup semi final it will be a horrid mid-April .

Qwerty

One word - "inflation" players cost 10 times more these days

Alex Ferguson was nearly sacked!! Many of the people on here want Kenny to be sacked and forget his past success. Anyway, what's Ferguson got do do with it?

DaveyBootle

People not asking Kenny to win the epl. we was no 1 team in europe 3 years a go. with injury woner problem also we finish 7th and rafa lost job. then use £110m annd finish 9/10th ? good job done by Kenny ?

I just wanted to point out that Ferguson's team was not built on a shoestring , that he assembled his team at great expense when the game had relatively little money available.

Kenny Dalglish was always accused of 'buying' Blackburn's success , but clearly ManUtd were more culpable .

I have to beleive Kenny Dalglish still has the ability to manage a succesful LFC team . Here is hoping the team get to wembley again this season .

Qwerty

Since Blackburn 17 years ago, there has been nothing to indicate Kenny was the man for the job. Take a look at how his last two managerial jobs ended.

It was wishful thinking on fans part, and the owners obliged the fans. It would have been a fairy-tale had it worked, but life can be harsh.

He just needs to get the right players in the summer. if he doesn't then we will be back where we were before the take over because hes been given sooo much money. seriously the summer window might not just be kenny's last atempt at saving his job but liverpools last hopes of getting to where they want to be in 1-2 seasons. if he messes up we might be 4 seasons away.

05 Apr 2012 13:10:59
wat happened with the terry case......did he get charged or anything???? {Ed002's Note - The court case is due to be heard in the close season.}

Seems a little unfair Ed, Suarez makes a comment that may have been racist or him just saying I dont want to talk to you little blackman.Make of it what you will its done with but his was done at basically the same time as Terrys and got slaughtered for it.
Yet Chelseas player hasnt even been seen yet will be seen in a house of court where lets face it the judge will be from London and probably from an up market area where his team will be Chelsea and will probably hand out a soft sentence and I take it the FA cant take any action because a sentence has been handed out so in effect Chelsea dont lose anything and Terry probably gets 1 hour community service.
I might be wrong and tell me ed but if 1 case had to go through the FA and 1 through normal courts where is the consistency with that.

Red tinted glasses {Ed002's Note - You are very wrong - try the search function. Clearly this matter is light years beyond your understanding and I have little of no interest in explaining it again.}

Ed002 I agree with the above post. You on the otherhand fail to see past your Chelsea tinted glasses. In my opinion, JT has been well and truly protected by certain authorities within the sport, on the other hand, Luis Suarez was let down completely. {Ed002's Note - If you believe the above post and it's ill informed drivel such as "the FA cant take any action because a sentence has been handed out so in effect Chelsea dont lose anything". I would be grateful if you could share with us who these "certain authorities" are protecting Terry. Also who let Suarez down completely? Why are you trying to make comparisions? I assume you have yet to grasp the point regarding Terry's case being dealt with by the courts rather than the FA because there was a complaint to the Police? And try not to be such an embarrassment as to claim I am biased.}

Thanks for the reply ed, just seems abit harsh that his case is kinda delayed..........but all is over now

Walk On {Ed002's Note - Who is it harsh on? If you want a comparison then think back to the Gerrard case that was also dealt with by a court of law because of a complaint to the police. There was no complaint to the police in the case of Suarez, ergo it was dealt with by the FA process and an independent panel.}

Honestly ed, I think posts about this subject shouldnt make it onto these boards anymore. Our part of this subject is completed and chelsea incident is nothing to do with liverpool.

I dont know how you keep the patience.

Nevada {Ed002's Note - So if I cut these then I am accused of being biased and various other things. It is a no win for the editors much of the time - particularly during the school vacation.}

The only time I take seriously what ED 002's says is when he's giving his honest opinion about Kenny or why the club just cannot win anymore. Every other thing I take with pinch of salt and with my red tinted glasses on as well.

ED, how sure am I you are not the secret agent advising Ibrahimovich to sign our best players seeing as you spend so much time on our page these days. {Ed002's Note - Seems that you have both your red tinted glasses and soft head on today. I am yet to be convinced that Zlatan Ibrahimovich will be investing heavily in Liverpool players this summer. But what the heck do I know.}

You Eds are so niggly {Ed002's Note - Do you mean snuggly? Thanks.}

Ibrahimovic owns Chelsea? When did that happen?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note - He is starting is own team we think Chris.}

05 Apr 2012 12:43:21
Ed001, given the choice and with the benefit of hindsight, who would you rather have had for the season, Adam or Meireles? I know you aren't Raul's biggest fan but Adam has looked a lot less impressive, especially recently.

Thanks

At the time and with hindsight i would've preferred Scott Parker if he would of made the move.

Yeh...i barely noticed him in the newcastle game.

05 Apr 2012 12:53:27
Just wondering Eds and others, do you think Carra will be the next manager, maybe coming into the job in 3 or 4 years? if so will we see the return of the boot room?
As much as it pains me to say it, i really dont think Kenny is up to the job. Maybe he has been out of it too long but he has no real conviction to him and his decisions have been very suprising recently. Any thoughts Eds?
Cheers {Ed002's Note - I don't see the solution to Liverpool's problems is to give the job to a centre half (has he got his coaching badges?) with no relevant experience.}

I would like to see Carra become a coach but manager?? maybe in 20 years -McMenemy {Ed002's Note - When he finally hangs up his boots then.}

I reckon Carragher would end up like Sammy Lee in the coaching role!

Carragher should not really go straight into managing the club. I would rather he worked his way up the ranks, working with the youngsters in the u18s, and then progressing up to the reserves and eventually the 1st team.

He may be a student of the game, but he needs to learn the ropes in a low pressure environment.

RedSG

05 Apr 2012 12:34:51
This clear out News implies we ll have mainly inexperienced youngsters.Well i sincerly hope their better than Carrol and Hendo,or were goost

I remember alan hansen talking about man utd and there kids, beckham, scholes, neville and the like saying you will never win the league with kids. Well how wrong can you get? Maybe a little trust in the kids could prove dividends. They play with no fear and there is no doubting their talent, maybe its time.

Ian the red {Ed001's Note - except that it was a load of crap, they had a spine of experienced players, with 3 or 4 kids in the team, most of which were between the ages of 19 and 21, not 17 year olds.}

I think he means goosed!

05 Apr 2012 12:29:39
Kenny was in charge just 10 days when Liverpool bought andy carroll, and it was NOT his choice to bring him in, it was Comollis choice.

GD

Thats nonsense.

Alan Shearer mentioned just after Carroll signed that Kenny had approached him for an opinion on Carroll.

he said he was worth a purchase.

Only cotes is a choice of comelli . all other is kenny.

Dalglish said in his book that Comolli put Carroll's name forward and Kenny said "can you get him?" Comolli then went for Carroll under Kenny's wishes so it was a joint decision like all of our transfers.

It was KENNY'S decision!

05 Apr 2012 12:19:55
Is it true that we have a huge amount of fans in Albania? Saw a page on facebook with over 100 000 likes for LFC Albania or something like that..

Hero. {Ed002's Note - The Albanians worship an English comedian from the 50s or 60s called Norman Wisdom. Nothing would therefore surprise me about them.}

I might book myself a holiday there..
Not The Real Ken Dodd

Ed002...Would you agree with me that this could be the reason the Albanians have a penchant for LFC...

'' Trouble in Store ''...''The Square Peg ''(KD)
''Pressed for time''

This is why I love these forums:)

Blue247 {Ed002's Note - More secret messages.}

05 Apr 2012 12:18:19
eds if andy carroll scores a few goals in thesefinal fixtures just say bout 5 goals in the last 8 games will there be a strong possibilty he will stay

sparky {Ed002's Note - Another obscure impossible to answer "what if" question. Sorry.}

05 Apr 2012 12:15:08
suarez is a real crafty person that no one will understand remeber his handball and laugh after the penalty was missed remember his biting-he says one thing but really means another i will be astomnished if he signs a new contract at lfc

Ridiculous.

if you were playing for your country in the quarter finals of a tournament and you had the opportunity to handle a ball that would have knocked you out,you would have done the same.

he ultimately kept his country in the World Cup.

he wasnt laughing at the penalty. He celebrated that it didnt go in.

I dislike Suarez a great deal and think the day he leaves will be a great day for LFC!

Peter

Peter

Wha a knib ed, Suarez is a very good player but just misunderstood

05 Apr 2012 12:05:20
Victor Moses - new barnes
moussa dembele - new dalglish
james mccarthy - new souness

No name poster - new patient at ashworth

scouse simon

Not a chance. What annoys me is that we have a very good youth set up and Sterling, Morgan, Coady, Suso, Robinson should all be playing some part now that the season is over as we are not playing for anything other than a high finish which will most likely be 7th again..

Yeh and cherou the new zidane !

Dembele new dalglish? they couldn't be more different

I would play the reserves in the league and play first team in the cup.

kenny has subliminally altered their thinking and mindset to make themselves believe cup games are more important due to the strong teams he put out in the carling up.

05 Apr 2012 12:05:19
I don't know whats going to happen but clearly a summer clear out needed but Once again Kenny in charge, i doubt it would go correct. Yeah sell Kuyt, Suarez, Maxi, Johnson, who are better than the likes of Carroll, Adam, Henderson & Downing replace them with more mega money crap... believe me it won't go according to plane unless we have another manager...

If we want to replace Suarez we should try for Guissepe Rossi or Lavezzi.. And Giroud or Soladao to replace Carroll, Ramirez to replace Maxi, De Jong to replace Kuyt,
+ Matts Philips, a back up Keeper and Yan 'MVilla to replace Adam & Spearing.. Carra to upstairs.. Kevin keen is crap.. before his arrival with Clarke & kenny we were doing better.

05 Apr 2012 11:53:20
Shake up needed in the summer, cant see a massive overhaul but a fair bit of movement, I would say, aquaman, cole, kuyt, adam, and a few youth players out on loan, maybe carroll out as well, in i would like to see, de jong/soldado/lavezzi, ganston ramires/marin/affelly, banega/sissoko/sahin, now i know it would be hard to get some of these players in but got to be worth a shout, what you think the chances of any of these players coming in eds.
Cheers

05 Apr 2012 11:42:13
Eds if suarez and carroll were both to leave would liverpool seek 2 strikers to replace given the fact that we are loosing kuyt too? i know the summers a long way away but we are going to be really 3 short if we let them all go? just a thought? Andy H {Ed001's Note - if they go, it would only be if replacements are signed.}

I really hope that Carroll do'es go! Can't stand him!

I really hope that Carroll stays. He's a Liverpool player until further notice

cozinoz

"Can't stand him"? Get a grip lad.

DaveyBootle

I really hope carroll gets a new haircut. It could be just what he needs. Is didn't do nando any harm!

What's a haircut got to do with it???? Get over it!!

DaveyBootle

Hey Davey how d'ya know i'm not a girl?

Women aren't usually that agressive, are they?

DaveyBootle

Carroll and Suarez both need to go. One never wanted to be here and the other has hurt the reputation of the club.

The only problem is finding a buyer for Carroll. And the massive loss we would have to take.

Davey hav'nt you experienced that time of the month syndrome? when everything but the kitchen sink is thrown at ya!

05 Apr 2012 11:41:10
here's a name for you Ed's: youessf m'sakni plays for esperence tunis and is apparently the tunisian messi, costs 4m max and there is some interest in him from french clubs like toulouse, bordeux and marseille, watched him during the ACN(quick,skillful,cracking left foot,great vision) if he is to move he'll only need to bulk up slightly, he's only 21 so he fits the transfer policy of lfc but we'd have to move quickly. any thoughts Ed's,

Smithy. {Ed001's Note - no sorry, I didn't really catch a lot of the ACON, but I wouldn't judge players on their performances there, the level is not the best.}

05 Apr 2012 11:32:38
I'm interested in people's thoughts on big Andy's future at LFC.

I've consistently refused to slag Andy off, citing Lucas as an example of a player who got a huge amount of stick, but who needed a long time to change his game to suit a new club.
Lucas managed it, and for me he is now our best midfielder by a fair way (and he is still improving month by month- he is going to end up being a legend at this club, if he stays).

So my question is this- at the moment lots of people are saying its time to give up on Andy Carroll.
People can't see the potential in him to be a mobile, clever forward- a player that the LFC style needs.

Some critics say it's not just about adapting his playing style to 'pass and move', but that he doesn't have the footballing brain, or the first touch, to ever play in that fluid and mobile style.

Personally, I just don't know how long you give a forward before you admit it won't work, and move him on. Ian Rush took ages to get going, for example.
Many of the fans posting here would have had Rush sacked months before he had the chance to turn into one of LFCs all-time great strikers.

I know there are a lot of knowledgeable people who read these forums, as well as those who scream for everyone (including the tea lady) to be sacked as soon as we go a goal down.
You know the sort of thing: 'Useless old slag- if she made better tea we'd never have lost that goal', etc etc.

So bearing in mind he was injured for months, and that no major moves will be made anyway before season's end, how many people feel that Andy has shown enough improvement and potential to continue playing for LFC next season, and how many feel that he will never quite have what it takes to play in the pass and move style and in a team that wants to challenge for a CL place, and that continuing with him will be as futile as it was to continue with Ngog as one of two main strikers?

Bin Carrol

It's a tough call. I really liked Big andy and Newcastle and was excited when we got him, however, it's obvious what his attributes are and he really doesn't fit into the system we are trying to play. But there has to be a bit of give and take with him, it's absolutey ludicrous to pay £35m for potential, then not play to his strengths.

I like the guy, but his style of play means that he will probably won't hit his stride until around mid-late 20s so I would like to see another striker come in in the summer.

One thing that does do my head in about him, why the hell is he ALWAYS on his arse? Batter 'em lad, stop falling about.

davethebutcher

Ha. I agree with Dave. Give them a good hiding. Get stuck in and get on with it...that's what he needs to do. Defenders know they can wind him up which gives them the mental edge.

DaveyBootle

We need to send him on loan to stock for two seasons

05 Apr 2012 11:29:41
Thou Shalt not Worship False Idols...

Ok there has been a lot of talk about this subject recently and I know even before I push the submit button that this post is going to divide opinion.

The topic is Steven Gerrard.

I'm not going to be discussing his talent much because it generally speaks for itself, I'll be talking about his desire, commitment and motivation. Before I start though I'd like to remind everyone that I have respect for his acheivements at the club.

**Disclaimer - much of the information discussed in this post came from the biography endorsed by himself and written (in part) in his own words.

A small debate happened on here between ed001 and a couple of other posters regarding Steven Gerrard. I'd like to explore what people think of him. There are those who truly believe he is the greatest player ever, and those who believe he was just another great player from Liverpools history.

I personally feel that he is an immensly talented individual who manages to influence games in ways other players never have (see:Champs league final, FA Cup final). It's his motivation and influence off the picth which is in question.

Gerrard the Die Hard red -
Get ready to throw tomotoes at me... I dont think Gerrard cares about the club as much as he leads people to believe. In his book he states on 3 or 4 occasions that if liverpool couldnt compete for trophies or play in the Champs League he would seriously consider leaving. That sound like a Die Hard red to you?

I've also read Fowlers book cover to cover a couple of times. Not once does he ever make that same statement despite playing in an era where Liverpools successes were rare under a manager that really didnt want him there.

Gerrard also did what no self respecting die hard red would ever do...hand in a transfer request. He claims that this was to move along his contract discussions as he felt the club were stalling because they were trying to sell him.
As well as being a cheeky dig at the club (another thing fowler never does) look at the evidence, if Liverpool were trying to sell him then it would be more beneficial for them to get him to sign a new contract. The simple truth is that (even by his own admission) his head was turned by Jose and his Chelsea team. Its telling that in the book he talks about the burning of his shirt and the vitriol aimed towards him and how he felt...right before he signs a new contract and stays. Again does that sound like someone committed? or does it sound like someone who stayed because he was afraid of the reaction?
Its also worth noting that at chelsea he would likely have played less anyway as Jose was a known admirer of lampard in CM.

Gerrard the Club Captain -

Having supported liverpool for a number of years and seen a number of captains I can say Gerrard is probably the worst club captain I have seen. Why? He has handed in a transfer request (something everyone slates Torres for), he has been known to question the clubs ambitions, has publicly made his dissatisfaction with the manager known (both under Rafa and Woy) and stated if the club doesnt compete for honours he would consider leaving. Look at every club captain before him...none did any of that.

Gerrard the driving force -

When Liverpool need Gerrard he is there. Right? Actually no, when Gerrard needs Gerrard he is there. Liverpool need Gerrard now, he rarely performs (ok maybe injuries). Rewind time, Rafas last season, Liverpool needed Gerrard, he wasnt there. Woy's stint, Gerrard Missing. Now when a true club legend and the team need him...missing. when there is a cup final to be won he is there, but then why wouldnt he want to be there for that? When there is nothing to be won except pride...such as now, he's not all that bothered.

I realise this has been a long post and that it will probably provoke a lot of negativity but I just want people to look at him with unclouded judgement. He is immensely talented, but not even a quarter of the true red that Robbie is, or Kenny or even Dietmar Hamman. Everything I've used to criticise him in this post was taken from his book, read it you'll find everything I've said in there (apart from why I think he withdrew his transfer request which is my own opinion).

Thanks for reading, comments always welcomed and appreciated.

Nevada

Lot true re loyalty.But the mans carried some of the most average sides.And won 2 finals virtually on own.Hes past his best.But Rush,Kenny,St john,Souness all played in better sides.He is LFCs greatest player ever.And the fact hes on the wain we shouldnt forget what hes done.However even with him,cant be any sentiment

P.s to previous post,ive never thought hes a great captain.And he is arrogant.But that doesnt take away hes been superb.And although i agree times up now for Carra,though not class like Gerrard hes been a fantastic servent,who cares more than Stevie,more down to earth.And some stick hes getting is becoming short on memory.However he has got too much to say.And time is up

Like I said, I was not questioning his ability at all throughout my post.

Just that some fans hold in the same esteem as Dalglish or Fowler in terms of committment to club, Gerrard is not in the same league as any names I've mentioned.

Nevada

Couldn't agree more Nevada, I posted something similar yesterday but received a negative response. You have elaborated on the matter a bit more than I did but principally in my opinion Gerrard is not a leader of men. Carras a mouthpiece and the only way forward would be to move the pair on, together with Carroll and bring in the right type of replacements.

We'll see what these owners are all about this summer. I believe they are voracious commercial animals obsessesed with cost cutting, the red sox have just found that out.

Ozone

I don't actually question his commitment per se- I think he is 100% committed to the idea of winning games, but maybe he just doesn't have the engine to carry out the job the way he used to.

In fact his passion leads him to be too outspoken at times, and critical of others, when perhaps he should also look at his own performances.

And I don't judge his commitment based on handing in transfer requests- after all, the bottom line is that he stayed, when he could've moved to Chelsea and got a couple of PL title winners medals to show to his grandkids.

But what I do question are some of his performances. He is very talented (his recent hat trick should remind everyone of that), and on his day is a world class player, but on a week in and week out basis, from start to finish in each game, I'm not convinced he's performing to the level that he would like to, or that he thinks he is.

I would never disrespect the man- he has given his career to the club, and been our only 'big-game' performer on so many occasions. We owe him a lot, and he'll always be a club legend- and let's not forget that.

But I don't think it's being disrespectful to suggest that in the last two seasons his performances have deteriorated a bit, and bit more often. Maybe other players are also drifting in and out of games and it's not being noticed so much, I'm not sure. But his moments of brilliance are becoming fewer and further between, and a lot of the time he seems to jog gently up and down the pitch, although when he does get involved he usually does something useful with the ball.

I suggested earlier that he was basically a spectator for newcastle's second goal despite being a few yards away when the move was building up with Cabaye, which the old Gerrard would never have done. But then all players have poor moments in a game, and he did make some important touches.
Maybe we just need Lucas back to act as a backstop, and let Gerrard roam more freely? Or maybe the Newcastle goal was a sign of complacency or lack of stamina.

I'm no expert, but from what I've seen, apart from his first game or two back after injury, and the hat trick, he just doesn't seem to be performing to the standards we've seen from him before, and doesn't seem to have those explosive bursts of play.
I always thought he was the best MF in the PL, but be honest- wouldn't you rather have the likes of Yaya Toure or Modrich in MF given the choice, at the moment anyway?

A difficult time might lie ahead, where he gradually moves from being a first choice player to a sub- but it depends on who is brought in during the summer, because neither Adam, Spearing, or Henderson are consistently good enough to take Stevie's place.
IMO, Lucas is already a better player than Gerrard in the middle of the park, although he has no bite up front.

AC

AC :

I understand what you're saying but if we expect the club to behave in a certain way and keep things behind closed doors then so should the players and publicly undermining managers as he has with Rafa and Woy is not the way to go, especially not for a captain.

As for the transfer request, nobody of value had a worse time than robbie when Houllier was in charge and even though it was well noted that Houllier didnt like him and only played him when there was no-one else and wanted him gone...Robbie still never handed in a transfer request and he probably had more cause to than Gerrard. Like I said in the article he only withdrew the transfer request after he had seen fan reaction, and then after they slapped a 135k a week contract on his desk. I'm not naive enough to think that players should play just for the love of the club but some players...true die hard reds... do play just for love of the club.

Thanks for the responses everyone.

Nevada

What a bunch of morans he has a couple of bad games after returning from long term injury and you rewrite the last decade.Ashamed to think you lot support liverpool you should thank your lucky stars Gerrard has stayed with Liverpool for his career it might be a long time before we produce a player that good again.Yosser

Gerrard is an interesting topic, and will be debated for years to come.

But given that he has just come back from a long lay-off, I would cut him some slack.

We are in the worst form in sixty years. This is largely due to the ineffectual players purchased over the last 18 months, poor team selection, poor tactics, poor man management, and very poor handling of Suarez.

Very little of this has anything to do with Steven Gerrard, or the owners.

The owners are "the voracious commercial animals obsessed with cost cutting"? What a bizarre comment.

They recently gave Kenny 85 million to spend, as well as a three-year contract.
Against their better judgment, and largely to appease the fans - people like you.

They have offered some of the largest contracts in baseball here in the US.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your desire to scapegoat the (American) owners.

Don't think it's fair to say that he didn't move to Chelsea because he was "afraid of the reaction". It's well known that he talked to Carragher about it and must have seen the fans' hurt. It's less that he was afraid of the fans' reaction and more that he thought about it and realised how much the club and the fans meant to him. Unless you're talking about him being afraid of the reaction of some of the more "dangerous" Liverpool fans close to his family, if you know what I mean...but that seems to me to be just a rumour

Red Ollie

Also, I don't think it wrong for a captain to question a club's ambitions, I'd much prefer that than for him to be happy with the club being mediocre. And as far as him only being there in cup finals, you're clearly forgetting how reliant the team was on him under Rafa. Even now, when he plays he looks a cut above the rest of the midfield, him and Suarez sometimes look like the only ones who know what they're doing. Have his performances in the last 2 seasons been the best of his career? No, far from it. Have the team's performances? Certainly not. It's easy to blame Gerrard for not playing well but the fact is the entire team is letting us down, and Gerrard is still the best player in it. If you want an example of how much we need Gerrard, go and watch the Sunderland defeat and look at the difference in our attacking play with Gerrard on. Yes, he failed to produce a rescue act, no doubt because it wasn't a cup final according to you. But if the rest of the team played to his standard we'd have won that match no problem. Question him for handing in a transfer request by all means, but don't question his contribution to the club on the field, unless you want to see what life is really like without him

Red Ollie

Red Ollie:

I agree, I would expect every club captain, nay every player at Liverpool to make sure the clubs ambition matches everyone elses.

I dont expect them to state it in public though. Thats the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors.

Nevada

05 Apr 2012 11:21:43
Could Macca be Peter McDowall from LFCTV, someone referred to him as Macca on twitter!

You know anything of it Ed? {Ed001's Note - no it's not.}

Macca is the stig!!
LeeWils

Macca is seyser koze!
" And just like that, he was gone! "
dbadger..

05 Apr 2012 10:50:10
Kenny will not surely sacked if he wins fa cup and win 5 of remaining fixtures. One thing more u will see andy caroll playing like wounded hungary lion against vaila. Remeber my words.....

Do they have lions in Hungary?

cozinoz

Coz gets my vote for funniest post of the day.

Trishan

If he's getting your vote for funniest post of the day then I'd suggest getting out the ouse lad

Nice 1 Coz funniest reply of the day lol!

Phooey

05 Apr 2012 10:37:47
you learn about players attitudes and mentality more at times of adversity than when confidence is high. Kenny and the backroom staff will analyse these moments and in the grand scheme of things make more informed decisions on players. Goal scoring has been our problem all season, I am not one to panic and change. Keep Kenny and we will prosper, but not as quick as some fans would like. Strength is gained in difficult times if people stick together. Don't we sing about that?

YNWA EVO

05 Apr 2012 10:08:10
Andy Carroll is an absolute disgrace and I'm embarrassed to support a club which will continue to ask its fans to pay to watch someone who is a "professional" footballer. The Suarez thing was bad enough and now we have a diving, moaning donkey. Dalglish is just as bas for defending thwe idiot. Drop him, sell him, dont play him!

If You Read about the fall of the Roman Empire...this is just how it began...'

'This was the beginning of the fall of the Roman Empire. A great civilization is not conquered from without, until it has destroyed itself from within. ''

Don't you just love these forums:)

Blue247

You don't support Liverpool - that's ok - but please have the guts to sign your post and say who you do support. I am and always will be a Liverpool supporter and I believe that I am lucky to have made that choice as a child. However, this constant attack on Liverpool and Liverpool players is going beyond a joke. If you actually watch football you will see that worse things happen every week and in almost every match and there is hardly any comment. On the day of the Carroll 'dive' there were two instances in other matches that were rewarded with penalties and eventually goals. It's getting a bit boring (to put it lightly) to see Liverpool made the scapegoat for all that is bad in Football. The club was fined after the Spearing sending-off for the way the players reacted. There have been several episodes of this sort of behaviour since then but not one has been brought before the F.A. Even the person at O.T. says that episodes even out. In his case it's not true but hopefully it will for Liverpool next season and the team will be a more powerful force next season.
Dutchmal {Ed001's Note - it is also noticeable that nothing has been made of a blatant dive by Hatem Ben Arfa in the same match.}

Is football the same as the roman empire though?

I'm not interested in other clubs or players, though I agree there should be consistency. Diving (cheating) is disgusting and I just fail to believe that a striker who could have stayed on his feet and scored, but chose to dive, is being defended. I'm not defending Ben Arfa either but I don't pay money to watch and support Newcastle, I pay to watch Liverpool. I am a supporter "mate" and have also played footbal at a professinal level ( hence I haven't signed this post) Get a grip son

Who is stupid enough to believe two wrongs dont make a right! theres defending your team & theres the idiocy in defending your team! Can you imagine the phone call to the f.a. "b b b but ben arfa did it as well" get a grip {Ed001's Note - I don't believe anyone said that. So the stupidity is coming from the idiot trying to make out that is the point here.}

Dutchmal Argrghhhhh

05 Apr 2012 09:58:06
copied and pasted, an article called 'stick or twist' i found on twitter from a webpage called THE ANFIELD WRAP.
to anyone taking the time to call for kenny's head or for a new manager then it's worth a read. thoughts after . s.p

by Gareth Roberts // 4 April 2012 //

THERE's a lot of gleeful handrubbing and told-you-sos flying around at the moment.

Journalists that said Kenny Dalglish should never have been given a second chance are nodding sagely and grinning with delight�even the one who wanted Jamie Carragher to get the job.

Rival fans are appearing from the woodwork, inactive social networking accounts are creaking into life again and (foam semi-final) fingers are being pointed.

A lot of people who have got nothing to do with Liverpool want a Liverpool legend ousted.

Some Liverpool fans want him gone, too.

But there's perhaps a lesson to be learned from 30-odd miles down the road when it comes to deciding whether to stick or twist with Dalglish.

When Dalglish took the reins in 1985 as England's first player-manager he had Bob Paisley to turn to for on-the-field advice and Peter Robinson to turn to for off-field advice.

Every aspect of Liverpool was top class. In the 10 years before Dalglish moved into the manager's office the club had won the league seven times.

The Liverpool he manages now is clearly not the Liverpool he managed then and while that doesn't seem to dampen the expectations of some supporters and sections of the media, perhaps it will influence FSG.

John Henry has been known to swot up on football past and present and by now he will surely know just how much the club has fallen behind the leading pack.

Revenue-wise, wage-paying-wise, stadium-size wise, Liverpool is not top of the pile.

Clearly that's not the case in the league either � and come the end of a season, it won't have been the case since 1990 � 22 long years.

But the year Liverpool were last crowned champions was also the year Alex Ferguson almost lost his job.

Ferguson had spent big and expectations were high. Manchester United kicked off hoping, expecting, that for the first time since 1967 � 23 long years � they would win the league.

United had broken the British record for a defender with the purchase of Gary Pallister at £2.3million while deals for Danny Wallace (£1.2m), Neil Webb (£1.5m) and Paul Ince (£1.7m) were hardly cut price either.

The Pallister deal was in fact the second highest fee paid by a British club at the time. The biggest was by Liverpool to bring back Ian Rush from Juventus.

Ferguson had also tried to lure Glenn Hysen to Old Trafford but lost out � to Liverpool.

He still made a total of 10 signings that season as he tried to end years of underachievement in the league.

But while Liverpool won the title, as per usual back then, United slumped to 13th, their lowest league finish since their relegation from the First Division 15 years earlier.

It's all sounding eerily familiar isn't it?

Ferguson came under immense pressure with even the United fans turning on him � one producing the infamous banner: '3 years of excuses and it's still crap � ta ra Fergie'.

When that banner was unfurled at Old Trafford in 1989 it was met by "loud, spontaneous and brutal cheers" according to a Guardian article by Daniel Taylor (and the doyen would know).

Taylor interviewed the fan responsible for the banner, Pete Molyneux, who said: "It was a build up of all the frustrations because his first three years were dark times. Liverpool were running away with everything and we didn't seem to be getting any closer.

"We were coming off the back of the failures of Dave Sexton and Ron Atkinson to win the league and I just felt the fans had to do something because the club was accepting second-best."

As it was, Ferguson's side went on to win the FA Cup that season after a replay, beating underwhelming opposition in Crystal Palace, who had never reached a final before.

It was United's first trophy in five years, and Ferguson's first as manager of the club (he was appointed in November 1986).

No-one needs reminding what's happened since.

But the point is that it is only modern football that decrees managers must be moved on at the first sign of crisis � it never used to be the case.

Managers were given time � especially at Liverpool.

Ah, you might say, well what about Roy Hodgson? Seriously, what about him? It really shouldn't need to be said but Kenny Dalglish is not Roy Hodgson.

One season of ups and downs, a few bad buys and a poor league performance doesn't whitewash everything that has come before.

Liverpool fans are now being mocked for calling him 'King' but Dalglish is the greatest living legend associated with Liverpool Football Club � a man who has experienced the highs of European Cup glory and the lows of Hillsborough and emerged the other side revered and with a lot of credit in the bank.

Let's not forget that Dalglish is where he is right now because he answered the call of the club he loves in its hour of need. The easy choice was to keep on cruising � literally.

Hodgson, on the other hand, was the pick of a banker and it showed. He was way out of his depth.

Kenny clocked up eight league titles as a Liverpool player and manager and won the European Cup three times as a Red.

Hodgson didn't manage to break into the Crystal Palace first team before playing for a string of non-league clubs. He's managed 16 teams in eight countries, winning the league in Sweden and Denmark.

Unwanted records are being racked up in the league right now but that visibly hurts Dalglish.

In similar situations Hodgson embraced the mediocrity. This was Liverpool's level and it wasn't his fault, was the message. Remember 'formidable' Northampton?

And the football? Well for all the faults of the current side, at least they try to play the right way.

It sounds like straw-clutching but anyone who watches Liverpool regularly will tell you the football � in the main � has been better than the results suggest.

Under Hodgson, results were deserved. The football was turgid, defensively-minded and one-dimensional. He left the club with a win percentage of 41 per cent. Dalglish sits at 47 per cent for his second stint as manager (it was an amazing 60 per cent the first time around).

This season, Liverpool have often lacked direction � they've looked fragile, short on ideas and inspiration and devoid of a leader or two. There's not enough character in the side right now.

But on the other hand they've defeated Arsenal, Chelsea (twice), Manchester United and Manchester City.

They've won a cup, ending a six-year trophy drought in the process, and they're in the semi of the FA Cup.

This side might be clueless but its capable. It's been good and bad for Liverpool this season.

Dalglish could still turn this around, so why change it?

If he genuinely doesn't believe he can do any more for the club come the summer I believe he would walk away � he wants what is best for Liverpool.

As he said the first time around: "I would be the first to realise if I wasn't good enough and then I would confront it."

Does the club really want to go down the road of a fourth manager in two years if it can be avoided?

And if it does when does that policy stop? It's an expensive and unsustainable approach � after all, Liverpool doesn't have Roman Abramovich sitting in the boardroom to soak up the pay-offs.

Dalglish has been in charge for 15 months and 65 games. Every manager Liverpool has ever had bar Hodgson was afforded more time.

Going back to Ferguson in the 89-90 season, Martin Edwards at the time was said to be seriously considering sacking Ferguson, although he was worried about United becoming 'a sacking club'.

The directors were also reported to have recognised the reasons for the slump � with injuries top of the mitigating circumstances.

It's just one of the reasons Dalglish could cite for this season's league performances.

Lucas, Glen Johnson, Steven Gerrard, Daniel Agger � all have missed significant numbers of games. In the case of Lucas and Agger in particular, their influence on team performance is huge.

Then there was the Luis Suarez sideshow. Dalglish handled it badly. So did the rest of the club. But in pure football terms it robbed the manager of his most effective attacker � and Suarez has never been the same again since.

The summer signings largely haven't worked � that can't be ignored. Andy Carroll, too, still has a lot to prove.

But they're capable of more. There are players in there � we've seen it.

A new manager would call for new players. A new system. Liverpool would be back to square one.

And who would that manager be? There'd be candidates, of course there would be. But what would the calibre of them be?

It was the pulling power of the club � or rather the lack of it � that prompted Dalglish to put himself forward for the job in the first place.

Is Liverpool any more attractive a proposition now? There's still no stadium. There's still no Chelsea or Man City-esque pot of gold to spend and there will be no place in the Champions League next season to tempt the top players. Talk of Jose Mourinho is fanciful for many reasons, not least for expecting an ego like that to work with a director of football.

The blood is still being wiped from the walls of Anfield from the messy battle to rid the club of Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Then, under Rafa Benitez, it was the best midfield in the world. Now it's not even the best midfield in the league.

World-class talent was replaced with lesser replacements. The pendulum is yet to swing back the other way. That will be the same whoever is in charge in the dugout.

And does starting again under a new manager minus a big budget make any sense at all?

Perhaps a master tactician could come in, drill the current squad and offer a more results-orientated approach to matters � points first, performances second.

But Liverpool have had such managers in Gerard Houllier and Rafa Benitez. People still moaned and the media still sniped.

Perhaps instead of championing change expectations should be reeled in and tolerance extended to a man who has won the top division four times.

Top four this season � or even higher � always seemed ambitious after what had come before. The turnover over of players has been huge, so it was always a big ask, particularly with an aim to lower wages and without the lure of Europe.

Other teams looked better equipped and further developed from day one � so it has proved, although the Liverpool squad has clearly underachieved while the summer signings have largely failed.

The smart buys of Newcastle that contributed to the latest setback only served as a painful reminder of what can happen when money is spent wisely.

Dalglish and Damien Comolli need to learn the lessons from the last few windows � that's if they are given the chance.

But whatever happens, whoever leads the team, Liverpool will face the same problems.

Liverpool is still deemed a big club, but now it's for its history and its support. It's not the first-choice destination for players, it's not offering the biggest wages and it plays in an ageing ground that is dwarfed by those of rival clubs.

Now, if Manchester United and Liverpool chase the same player the player goes to Old Trafford. Ashley Young and Phil Jones are testimony to that fact � the boot has long been on the other foot.

Yet expectations remain unchecked. None of it matters. It's always the manager's fault. It's always that easy. When a manager's lost it, he's lost it � he can't pull it back, can he?

Ferguson did. Perhaps Kenny can. While that possibility remains it's a chance worth taking.

Bloody Inspirational

I would hit agree 1000 times. Best article I have read on the current state of affairs, and agree whole heartedly. Nick.

Fantastic post mate- all those calling for Kenny's head after this recent losing streak should remember that Utd very nearly axed Fergie after that 13th place finish.
This team can play great football on on their day they've shown they can beat anyone- they just need that consistency and more goals.
We're not that far away, however bad things seem at this point.
It's too late for top four this season anyway, so why not stop the slagging off and get behind the team, instead of undermining what confidence they do have?

Great post mate.

Cuchulainn's Hounds

The sight of KD running about the NUFC pitch like a headless chicken and SG telling him to go and sit down and shut up... was the epitome what the ''media'' rival fans'' are getting amused about ...Ok KD came in and calmed things down for a while ...however it's crunch time and you have to decide wtf is it going to be...

wallow in sentimental cr@P or keep up with the modern game ...tick tock tick tock...

Great these forums eh? :)

Blue247

Ummm.....NAH! Time to go Kenny la time to go!

TIME TO GO...

Great post.
It puts a lot into perspective.

@Blue247

Gerrard didn't tell KK to go away, he was asking him whether he should go right back and Flano left back after Reina got sent off. He clearly says this. Get your facts right.

YoungRed

Best post of the season. Feel so much better now. Billbobjoekenny

Harping back,sentimental carp

Glad ya posted again sp,
a really good read.
the team does play so much better without him..
what a predicament?
he`s got 8-9 games left, to show henry n co, imo
kenny prob got till xmas, if we get to fa cup final, imo.
dbadger..

YoungRed...SG's facial expression said this...
Get off the pitch you daft p***K... coz your'e embarrassing the lot of us .

I really love these forums:)

Blue247

@blue247

I thinks Gerrards expression was reading - right our keepers been sent off and our left backs goin in goal, what should we do about it?!
And you love these forums? - couldn't be just the fact that you've happened to go above us for the time being? People like you crawling out of the woodwork at the moment, it's so predictable and boring.

RedKev

''I thinks Gerrards expression was reading - right our keepers been sent off and our left backs goin in goal, what should we do about it?!''

Almost there YoungRed ... but nope still no cigar...

This is what SG's expression was actually saying...

Look Reina's just mugged us off... Carroll's a chump...you have used up all the subs so now we are going down sh1t creek and you forgot the paddle...

So just p1$$ off willya...

Heaven knows how I love these forums:)

Blue247

Your telling me ti pi$$ off yet I didn't say anything? Get a brain

YoungRed {Ed019's Note - YoungRed is right. RedKev made the comment about facial expressions, however, if you look at it properly, you can clearly see SG nodding whilst saying 'i'll go right back' (in agreement with Dalglish)}

S.p here(original poster)

'harping back, sentimental carp'

if you read it properly was a comparison of circumstances between 2 of the greatest managers (trophy wise) to grace british football. where's the sentiment involved when man utd is involved? sign your carp comments so i can scroll down and ignore them in the future. thanks

05 Apr 2012 09:50:14
Morning all, read this site everyday but very rarely post. I am only posting to hear other fans views on the selling format for the semi final. I am a season ticket holder who goes to every home game. Mon-Sun no matter what time kick off. I can no longer make the away games due to having 2 kids and the sheer cost of away games now.
I have been on the liverpool website this morning and got genuinely p!ssed off reading some peoples comments on the selling arrangements. As far as I am aware everyone who went to each home leg (only 4 games) was garaunteed a ticket for the semi. Fans with a season ticket and only managed the 3 games were garaunteed a ticket. Members and fan card holders with 4 games were garaunteed a ticket and everyone else went into a ballot. I cant think of a fairer way to sell the tickets.
There are people on the site moaning that they have not been allocated a ticket by the club having missed games.
Cant help but think Oldham on a cold Friday night just after the new year might have something to do with all these people with 3 games having to enter a ballot and missing out on a garanteed ticket for the semi.
Sorry for the moan but just wanted to know other peoples feelings on this matter. I get the impression some liverpools feel it is up to them to pick and choose what games they actually go to (all the big games), and then moan when they are unable to get a ticket for important games and great days out!

Darsco

Totally agree Darsco,I fit my life,work,family commitments around Footy and make sure i go.LFC have it right,and so do you.Your correct some choose games,then want rewards gained later.You pays your money or you make your choice

05 Apr 2012 09:37:01
Carroll out!? That will bite us on the ass, I'm telling you that now!
And with Suarez likely to go too; WTF is going to play up front?
And don't anybody reply with; we're getting Higuain or de Jong because they are unproven in the prem and might take a season to gel so we would sell them next summer anyway like we intend to do with Suarez and Carroll
It's getting beyond a joke now..... Daglish to stay and keep hold of Suarez, Carroll!

Everyone keeps using Carroll as a scape goat, and its pathetic!
Does anyone know how many games this season Downing and Carroll have played together, and maybe even throw Gerrard into that? Lately (well bar Newcastle) Carroll has been showing a better first touch and ball control at his feet, but lets be honest we don't play to his strengths which is in there air!! We buy Downing as a winger to provide Carroll but they are hardly ever played at the same time, and when they are Downing just cuts inside all the time instead of putting a cross in. Carrolls biggest strength which I think was shown in the Everton game is long balls up to him for him to just knock on, and im sorry but with Suarez upfront it doesnt work, Suarez isnt the type of player to run on to them knock ons, he likes to sit back a bit, pick up the ball, beat a few men and then shoot, which is great dont get me wrong, but if you are going to play to Carrolls stengths we need a player a bit like Torres (now im not saying get him back) but someone like him who will feed off Carroll, make the runs from his knocks into the box and finish!

''It's getting beyond a joke now''

LOL...You could be right there mate!
It's becoming one of the all time great comedy shows
...pmsl@the king of comedy and his troop of performing clowns...

Hey did I mention that I love these forums?

Blue247

Carrols useless stop defending him,he ll take Dalglish down with him

05 Apr 2012 09:13:40
Lucas Injury + Suarez Ban = Season over, team unsettled. Done well to win 1 trophy, maybe another to come. Keep the faith whoever is in charge next season. YNWA.

Lol terrible excuse,utd have had injuries to half the squad for the majority of the season and they sit top of the league,im affraid suarez brought the ban on himself but it was only 8 games,you do know theres 30 other games in the league?yes lucas has been missed but hes only 1 player,the squad should be able to cope without him,poor poor excuses im affraid

phil

Gerrard
agger
johnson
kelly
lucas
suarez
our CORE players missing never played together.

05 Apr 2012 09:12:37
Why did kenny insist on shutting out raul meirelles apoligies for spelling.. And bring in adam an henderson to play infront of him? Raul was doing well for lpool at the time and just think he is a much better option than anything else we have in midfield at the momment

He wanted to go. He's also pretty average.

cozinoz

What are you talking about? Raul only had 6 good games all season and was constantly out muscled every game

Probably because Kenny has no idea how to manage the team. I would have thought that was obvious by now

Thats 6 more than both adam and henderson

05 Apr 2012 08:37:46
Morning all. Just wanted to share my good news. The missus gave birth to a healthy baby girl in the early hours of the morning. We have named her paisley, the missus thinks its just because we both like the name but in reality I wanted some affiliation to my beloved reds. Let's hope she brings us some good luck for next season!

Cheers
Greggers {Ed002's Note - Congratulations.}

Nice story mate congrats and welcome to the world of sleepless nights

Red raj

Why not Roberta Paisley? Congrats!

Iggypop

Congratulations mate.

Dr. A

Brilliant news, congratulations to you and your wife ....plus yet another red !!

Tel 1949

Congrats! Gr8 name as well.

Trishan

05 Apr 2012 08:29:26
Hi eds,

Do you think if we loose to Villa thats it for Kenny. We can't keep loosing games the players aint playing for him and the fans are starting to boo after games surely the owners have to act fast or who knows where we could end up. I can handle loosing games im used to that as a liverpool fan but the manner of some defeats to small clubs shows me the players just don't care anymore. {Ed002's Note - No I don't.}

05 Apr 2012 08:09:16

I am VERY fortunate to have two tickets for the semi final against everton ( £60 each face value ). I understand that they are in a good position in the ground but I do not have details yet.

I would like to swap them for 3 cheaper tickets ( face value £30 each or similar ).

I have two dear friends I would like to take with me and I cant bear to let any one of them down. I am even considering giving them the tickets, to save their disappointment.

Told you it was a strange request but if anyone is looking for two quality seats in exchange for their 3 seats, it would be appreciated.

Tel 1949

{Ed002's Note - If anyone is able to help Tel out, let us know and we can organise the exchange of details via one of the Editors.}

05 Apr 2012 08:06:45
Liverpool FC manager Kenny DalglishKENNY DALGLISH is ready to oversee another Liverpool FC summer clear-out as he aims to address his team's underwhelming Premier League form.

Dirk Kuyt, Maxi Rodriguez and Fabio Aurelio are the most prominent names expected to move on during the next transfer window with Liverpool director of football Damien Comolli having already identified a number of targets.

Both Kuyt and Maxi have grown frustrated at their lack of first-team action under Dalglish this season, with the Liverpool manager instead often turning to midfield summer arrivals Jordan Henderson, Stewart Downing and Charlie Adam.

Despite scoring in the Carling Cup final to help win the first silverware of his six-year Anfield career, Kuyt has started only 22 of Liverpool's 42 games this season and netted just twice in the Premier League.

Maxi ended last season with seven goals in four games but has subsequently made only 15 outings this term.

The pair are aged 31 and are soon to enter the final year of their contracts, making this summer the last time Liverpool can realistically cash in on their value.

Feyenoord, who sold Kuyt to Anfield for £9million in August 2006, are interested in re-signing the Holland international, with sporting director Martin van Geel saying recently: "I would love to welcome Dirk at Feyenoord as soon as possible.

"He fits in here more than anybody else. He is more than welcome at the club."

Rob Jansen, Kuyt's agent, confirmed: "Feyenoord know that Dirk will join them once he returns to Netherlands. But when? It's impossible to answer that question.

"We are just waiting to see what happens at Liverpool now and what's coming his way.

"We will make a decision on his future after that."

Aurelio, meanwhile, has already been informed he will not be offered a new deal when his current agreement expires at the end of the campaign.

Liverpool FC manager Kenny DalglishDalglish and Comolli are running the rule over a number of possible targets, both for the first team and to bolster the youth ranks.

Liverpool are preparing an offer for Feyenoord's highly-rated 17-year-old midfielder Tony Trindade de Vilhena, and are also looking at Udinese's Colombia international Pablo Armero, who can play as a left-back or left winger.

And they are hopeful of signing Crewe Alexandra midfielder Dan Smith from under the nose of Manchester City, with Roberto Mancini having already agreed a £300,000 fee for the midfielder.

Dail Post

Well if it's a clear out maybe he should add Carroll, Henderson, Adam and Downing to that list.

Elmo

If this is true then Kenny will be here next season!

05 Apr 2012 07:39:25
Hi to all the Ed's - great work

As an Aussie LFC fan I was wondering who would I contact to try and pester to get LFC to do a tour game in Australia. In the past we have had Man United, Everton and the LA Galaxy to packed houses and a Liverpool team VS either an A-League team or All stars line up would do wonders for the club prescence here.

Make it also a tribute to Brad Jones' son Luca and have Harry Kewell and Craig Johnston involved and raise some much needed funds for Leukemia organisatons in both Australia and the UK and have the game shown live on free to air, cable and LFC TV.

Even if the team is not full of First XI players would still help the brand of LFC and do a wonderful thing for Brad, his family here in Australia and families wordlwide affected by leukemia. {Ed002's Note - You would have to find an Australian benefactor to approach the club. EPL sides are paid for tour games and in the Far East and Australasia the going rate is about £1M per game plus expenses. Whilst the club would no doubt be supportive of a charity game if it were playing games locally, it would not be logistically viable to play a one off game. So I am not so sure that there is a solution to this in the short term.}

05 Apr 2012 05:25:28
EXCLUSIVE: Kuyt to be biggest name in Anfield cull as Liverpool rebuild. Kenny Dalglish has been backed by former Liverpool manager Roy Evans amidst the club's worst league run for nearly 60 years.

I find it sick how these newspapers pick on the club. Their all the same. {Ed002's Note - This is not picking on the club. Kuyt was always likely to leave this summer.}

I like kuyt for his workrate but Liverpool need to think about whats best for the club he is not a regular and is on 70k a week.

Red raj

But we do need to find a younger version of his workrate.Aligned with better touch and pace though.Never been his biggest fan,but man for big occassion.And just wish rest gave what Kuyt has

Acting like you pay their wages get a life

05 Apr 2012 04:13:00
Interesting defensive stats:

We have had 4 defensive pairings this year in the League (not counting the Carra-Coates-Skrtel back three against Stoke @ Anfield).

Here is the goals allowed per game record (League games only):

Pairing Goals conceded per game

Agger � Carragher 1.4
Carragher � Skrtel 1.3333
Agger � Skrtel 0.86666
Coates � Skrtel 1 (Only played 1 game together for full 90 minutes)

It does seem to show that we let in significantly more goals with Carragher in the pairing.

Incidentally there have been 5 goals scored this year (in all comps) by our recognised CB's.

Not one of those goals has come when the scorer has been paired with Carragher.

Skrtel scored 2 paired with Agger. 1 Playing at RB
Agger scored 1 paired with Skrtel.
Coates' wonder strike came from CB after Carra had been moved to RB.

As an aside we allowed 0.9166 goals per game prior to Lucas' injury and 1.1579 after his injury (League goals only).

Make of this what you will.

The Wolfman

It means are defence is solid and we arent letting in many goals at all but up front we are scoring even less.

Red tinted glasses

05 Apr 2012 03:06:51
suarez - kuyt
bellamy - lucas - gerrard - maxi
enrique - agger - skrtel - johnson
reina
is without doubt our strongest side, so why not play it? the money we've spent; carroll, downing, henderson and adam, they shouldn't be anywhere near our starting 11 and have cost a bomb. i know i could of spent the money alot more wisely. what was kenny and comolli thinking? they talk about playing pass and move productive football and none of the players stated can. i'm genuinely embarresed when watching us, the teams fighting for relegation are playing better. it's clear that kuyt, bellamy, maxi and gerrard are getting on but the players we've signed arnt fit to succeed them. we need a manager to give us an identity, guardiola would be a dream. so my question to you ed's is who if/when kenny and comolli get the chop do you think will take the reigns? cheers.

The reason we can't play that team is as follows: johnson; injured, agger; injured, bellamy; usually injured, lucas; injured, reina; sent off

bthekingb

05 Apr 2012 02:07:34
Winning the Carling Cup (and possibly the FA Cup too) is great, but who are we kidding, the goal should be to get back to the Champions League. I think Kenny did a great job steadying the ship, giving hope and inspiration to the players but what we really need in the long run is a great tactician. To bring in a completely new face might be too risky in my opinion, but as I see it (after seeing how the rest of the season pan out), one of our best option might be to bring Rafa back. He had now time to see the Club from a different perspective as of an outsider, sometimes it helps to see the bigger picture but at the same time he knows what Liverpool FC is all about. I think with a couple of good, new signings (forget the young British bull) he might be able to deliver the results next season. Of course I'm open to the option that Kenny stays too, if he can get a good finish from now on and win the FA Cup, he would still deserve a chance IMO, but if he really lost the dressing room as some people suggested on here and he keeps making the same mistakes then I don't know if it would be too wise to keep him.Oh and one more thing, it might be just me but it really irritates me when I hear Carra's shrieking voice during the games, I certainly wouldn't want to be Skrtel or Reina listening to it.

HK

05 Apr 2012 01:49:00
A very good article about Liverpool in 4th April Daily Mail. It is written by Martin Samuel.
The reason the article is good : Truth is always a bitter pill to swallow.
Somebody needs to take some harsh and drastic decisions, and quickly.

Appalling rag

I stopped reading anything in the Mail a few months ago when Kelvin McKenzie joined their staff, and would urge others to consider doing the same- McKenzie was editor of The Sun at the time of Hillsborough, and was the real villain behind those awful headlines- and he's never given a full apology for it either.

05 Apr 2012 00:38:08
out -
carra-0m
aurileo-0m
maxi-0m
kuyt-3m
adam-3m
downing-6m
cole-1m
aqua-6m
thats 19m on sales

in-
lorente-27m
javi martinez-25m
tello-10m

thats 43m for 2 world class players and one that looks to have the potental to be world class

jeff:)

Yep. Easy as that.

Athletic Bilbao rejected 35 mil bid from us for Llorente so why would they let him go for 27? They would want at least 40 for Llorente or Martinez and I suspect Tello would cost 15-20. Plus we have no chance of getting any of these players. Yould be looking at nearly 100 mil for these three players im afraid.
KiwiRed

Why post tosh like this? Downing 6m? Adam 3m? Why would we sell them for that little? Why would Tello want to come to Liverpool when 1) hes scoring goals at the best team at the world and 2) we are struggling to win games and score goals.

BthekingB

Why would u sell Downing?? Only senior winger we have. Need a couple more not to sell the one we have. And I personally like Downing and would leave him on the left.

We d get so little if we flogged someve Brit players cos theyve been poor,and we paid over the odds initially

05 Apr 2012 00:24:31
id love if we brought back raffa and signed sum real quality young spanish players,like javi martinez and tello from barca,jeff:).subs.kelly,coates,sterling,hendo,carroll,suso

reina

johnson skrtel agger enrique

lucas martinez

gerrard tello

suarez
lorente

Jeff mate, come on, tello looks one of the most promising prospects this year, playing in the most promising team and you expect him to pack it in for Liverpool? Get a grip son

Melbourne CFC

05 Apr 2012 00:18:51
Well I think it's sad to come on here to read all these negative comments on here. There is no disputing the fact that results are nothing good to write home about. Some fans on here are picking names forgetting we win and lose together as Liverpool fc and not Kenny fc(kfc) or Gerrard fc (Gfc). In life, there are ups and downs, success and failure the reasons beyond our very existence as humans, things always cannot be perfect. Some of us fans in one way or the other fail in our duties either in the family, at work, in our education, relationship, friendship, etc. But yet we still think and plead to be given a second chance to put things right or sometimes things go wrong and we think we're not been treated fairly because everyone is giving us a stick including our loved ones and we feel weak and dejected and showing symptons of it's hard to go alone on this road and it's over. It is the same with the team and no one is going to take the mantle and support our team if we don't do it ourselves. We only kill the little confidence we have with these poisonous comments. If we call ourselves fans of this beloved and mighty club then this is the time to show it. If there was ever a time to dare, to make a difference to embark on something worth doing, IT IS NOW. Not for any grand cause necessarily but something that tugs at your heart, something that's your inspiration and your dream. You owe it to yourself to make your days here count. Though we've been losing lately, I am prouder than anything I can ever achieve because being a LIVERPOOL fan isn't a right but a previlage. And I still stand by that belief 'You'll never walk alone'. So if you think you can't stand the heat, go support the manc's and chelksi there you will be heard after a lose, go on and move on arm chairs. FELMIL Ghana.

I agree dude..There can be Ups and downs..bbut look at this...3 years running...we have only be Downs..simple..not good enough..arrogance in buying crap players...and u know something..we need to start all over again....
absolute disspointed...
adam and henderson aer the worst player in the planet i gues..they are not fit to play for any top quality teams..thats y no one part from liverpool did bid for them...

Great post , maybe we could all learn a little from it felmil, ghana..................lfc

The only reason some people come on this page is to read the negative comments mate, your meltdown over the past 4 weeks on this page has been truly remarkable. I say keep it coming FELMIL.

Melbourne CFC

The younger brigade unfortunately are becoming glory hunters and demand instant success. I'm sorry to say but we don't have near the money City and Chelski have. The gap will get wider between them and the rest and we might never win the league again. But so what, let's support and enjoy our team playing beautiful football. Its only a game of football, support your team even if they were in the championship. Lots of other fans do.

Kenny is an embarresment to liverpool football club

05 Apr 2012 00:05:30
comments about gerrard being moody on the pitch wonder why?alot of our players cant do simple things on the pitch ie simple one two with suarez more often than not dosent come off due to a bad pass back from suarez,also how many of our players would u call leaders on the pitch ,most of them have been around long enough to stand up and be counted and ready for a battle but instead go missing .this i think has been a real reason why kenny has failed in the transfer market,we had leaders on the pitch who were up for the fight. raffa singings ie alonso,masch,agger,skrtel,reina,johnson,kuyt and torres,had better attitudes or mabye just set up better with a better system ,they all went out on to the pitch confident in what they had to do to win ,under kenny it just seems to be pass and move till we go down a dead end or players like carroll,downing,henderson and adam have know fight or confidence in them to get stuck in that in my opinion is kennys mistake he bought windy players who hide on the pitch,i used to wonder what raffa was on about when he would be talking bout players from the basque region of spain about being mentally tough and strong ie alonso ,now i know he was right pity kenny didnt look into this when he was shopping last summer.

jeff:)

To much passing and moving so much so it make's Carroll dissy and fall over when it was easier to score!

Gerrard and Carra are past their best. Yes, they are club legends but you only as good as your last game. They still need to earn their place in the team like everyone else.

Gerrard is always moody. You would think his face would break if he looked happy! He's still world class - maybe not got the same engine on him due to partly his age, but mainly because he has been out injured for so long. If he is available, who wouldn't put him in the side? You have to, simple as that. I personally would change his position, maybe playing off the strikers, or possibly even right wing, but I would still play him every time. He is truly world class. Nick.

04 Apr 2012 23:57:19
To the person "WB" who informed me that everything i said was wrong bar sterling....
Steve Gerrard had his best season playing on the right side with about 25 goals, so perhaps this is his best position?

Perhaps Kenny telling Gerrard to play deeper and help Spearing as Lucas is out is the reason he looks so sulky? Even though it seems his monster shot has deserted him.