Liverpool Banter Archive July 02 2013

02 Jul 2013 23:41:44
It's been reported tonight LFC have agreed deal for Shelvey to Swansea if true I wish JonJo all the best hope he fulfils his potential for himself and for England!

Yeah potential potential potential. he isn't good enough for the LFC first team and won't ever be good enough.

02 Jul 2013 23:03:06
Just looked at the photos at Melwood on teams first day back. Jonjo looks seriously peed off, head down not really trying, or am I just imagining it? Kolo Toure looks like a man on a mission, diving in everywhere, he will be immense for us next season and will fill Carras role superbly. Stevie G seems to have spent a fair amount of time with Toure, maybe he sees him as an old head who he has empathy with.

Have to smile when I see all the young faces like Coutinho, Sturridge, Aspas, Alberto, Kelly, Wisdom, Henderson, Sterling, Mignolet, Allen, Coates. Christ that's a full team of young high quality players on its own! Its obvious BR has packed the team with some real young talent. If they grow together and function as a team we could have a serious challenge for 4th this season and who knows a little luck in one of the Cups?

With players like Toure, we are not going to be outmuscled as we have been in the past. If Allen can reach the form which made BR buy him, along with Stevie G, Lucas, Agger, Johnson, Enrique etc we really do have a much stronger group of players.

Im really excited this year, despite my early reservations about BR. let's all get behind our team lads, stop all the whingeing, support them through thick and thin, remember our history but always be respectful to our competitors.

Lets make Anfield the fortress it was in the 80's and help our young team to success.

Lets go!
Tel 1949

Totally agree we have one off the best young up and coming teams in europe in my opinion, can't wait to see us pass teams off the pitch this year .

Showing your age Tel ;) Sturridge was not in yesterday for training.

The real AG

Yes mate good post. With you all the way.

Alfie

Your post nearly sent me weeping mate. Spot on!

Redken

02 Jul 2013 22:34:01
Just watched Kolo Toure give his first interview as a red-sounds like he has the enthusiasm and the commitment to be successful at LFC- I can see him becoming a huge success at Anfield
As Brenda said Toure offers both experience and a winning mentality - let's go Kolo!!

02 Jul 2013 22:24:24
just hope the ashley williams rumours untrue regarding us transers from swans have all flopped.
also I would sooner keep hendo and jonjo and let borini and joe allen go.
keeping the faith with the club I love let's kick on

I miss the dislike button :( it atleast have me done satisfaction to disagree with personic posts like this :(

London red

Flopped?

You're kidding, right?

02 Jul 2013 21:45:16
That Shaktar manager saying Liverpool were a step down from then. He needs to see some kind of doctor. I don't see Shaktar fans in every part of the globe.

02 Jul 2013 21:20:06
Got a feeling that Martin Kelly will be like a new signing this coming season. He's going to be quality at centre-back if given the chance - tall, strong, quick, clever, good on the ball, what does everyone reckon?

I do like kelly

billynwa

I agree if he gets the chance. It's a travesty he's never been played at centre half. He's injury prone because his builds not conducive with the twists and turns required at full back.

Ozone

Out of him and wisdom coming true I prefer wisdom just looks more solid but there both quality players who we will have for years upon years now both look hungry and proud to wear the shirt

Totally agree mate good news aswell

Dodgy barnet tho

Still young, needs to learn his trade, but yes it'll be good to have him back and with all the right back young talent we have coming through, he would be best to move there. Good to have characters in the squad like Agger, Toure and Škrtel to help aid his development. Hope he stays fit, definite potential.

Wisdom is more solid as a defender and in terms of health/injuries. I am afraid Kelly is going to spend the next 5 years collecting his wages. But the fact is, he isn't good enough to ever be first choice in LFC. At least, if LFC has any ambitions beyond 5th-8th place

02 Jul 2013 20:58:26
Any idea Eds, or anyone else for that matter, when the players away on national duty will be back in training?

02 Jul 2013 20:47:17
Reds, if we were to go for another lb would you prefer Shaw or Digne?
Both seem to be highly rated in their own nation and are both young. Watching Digne in the U20 world cup he's proven he's an attacking threat and seems to make more accurate crosses than Enrique had. That being said he seems to enjoy crossing the ball when our style of play is playing it on the ground.
Personally I think Shaw would show more intent, but don't really see us going for a left back with other areas of the pitch clearly being targeted first, so just a bit of banter.
This is just banter and I was wondering what others thought so please don't comment to start drama if that's all you are looking to do. {Ed002's Note - Neither will be moving to Liverpool.}

I was thinking in an ideal situation. Not really realistically, it's just tiring hearing of Suarez and Mkhitaryan.

02 Jul 2013 20:09:10
Is there any chance in us signing benteke to replace suarez if he goes villa have said 25 million

God I hope not!

25m is a joke, i've seen many players look world class their first season so no it would be a bad move as for that price there are much better options and I also don't think he'd suite are playstyle tbh.

Whoaah now! emile heskey has come out and said"he has no weaknesses as a striker"! If Bruno has said that surely we've got to snap him up! ;p

I personally think he could be as effective as Drogba. Look at the variety of goals he sores. Plays in different formations and links up play. 20m rising to 25m on goals apps etc would be a good deal. His scoring rate at every club is consistent and he outdid Suarez and RVP last season in personal importance to his team in terms of goals and assists leading to points. And that was in a very young Villa side.

Mooey and Benteke in for the Suarez money (if that happens) would be great business for Liverpool.

Kidder

02 Jul 2013 19:59:54
With Mickey too expenssive and Ericsen, well I don't know what the problem with him is, do you think Miralem Pjanic becoming an option. He is available for less than 20 mil. and going from Roma. He plays a No. 10 for national team, and I think he is as good as the other two, a different kind of player but still a wonderfull one. Could he be an option for Liverpool? {Ed002's Note - There has been no interest from Liverpool.}

02 Jul 2013 19:39:58
Eds fellow reds, just read article about David villa which states he will go to Napoli or spuds and that LFC never in the running, because Luis Suarez will not be leaving the club .

02 Jul 2013 19:08:40
Do you expect us to have signed Ilori by the end of the month eds? {Ed002's Note - ICAQAT.}

02 Jul 2013 18:33:30
Eds what CB are we currently looking at. I mean I know we had an interest in papa. but were thrown away by schalka's asking price. same thing with ilori. as far as I know. we were not ready to me the asking price by sporting. other than these two. who else might we be looking at. and anything new on Sakho?
Appreciate it. thanks! {Ed002's Note - Ilori. Try the search function about Sakho.}

02 Jul 2013 18:10:17
Evening,
Anyone know if Sturridge is still injured or did he return with the others today?
Didn't see him in the photos at Melwood.
If still injured, how long for approximately?
Cheers

I was thinking the same

My worry about Sturridge (granted he's done everything right so far) is that he's not a player who will make it through a season without 2 or 3 injury lay-offs. He's also a player who goes up and down in terms of confidence. That's why if Suarez goes we need a player like Benteke. Each others presence will keep them mean and keen and they could obviously play together.

02 Jul 2013 17:48:05
Been told that we are bidding to bring in 2 world class players "Liverpool going for Wanyama and either Micky or Soldado for depth to the team. Wanyama seen as competition for Lucas and can play CB aswell. Big powerful player that we have needed at certain times last season. Micky or Soldado will be added to boost attack". Add another CB and that should be our lot for this window but been told that Atsu deal will be a late one.

02 Jul 2013 18:19:49
Eds, have the dropdowns vanished or is there something wrong with my set up? {Ed002's Note - Turn toward the south and look up slightly. It'll be fine. I promise.}

Jus my opinion. wanyama is strong, good defensively, is quick and offers much going upfront. so it wudnt hurt tryin him as a back up left back as well. hope we get him from the spearing/shelvey cash

Wanyama - world class? - I don't think so!

I keep seeing these Wanyama world class posts as well. Any half decent 2nd division player could look world class in Scotland for gods sake.

He had a good game against Barca? Suppose some think that makes him World class:-)

Times have changed but if wanyama comes to lfc let's hope he brings the good times back and gives lfc half as much as our last celtic buy then he will have done good

02 Jul 2013 17:26:32
Hi ed, do we need to sell first before signing a player of high price (more than £20m).? {Ed052's Note - Yes and no}

02 Jul 2013 17:22:29
With United, City and Chelsea out of reach I think next season is a toss up between us spuds and Arsenal for 4th. With us having the weaker team last season (the league doesn't lie) I think if Arsenal land say Higuain/Rooney then they'll be pretty much certain for the final champions league place. I seriously don't think BR can afford to lose Suarez and he must spend some money on say Micky and make sure we have the best team possible to finish 4th. IMO if we don't get 4th FSG will sack Rodgers, then it's a new manager new ideas/players. And it's us fans who will suffer by watching it all like a soap opera from a far. Like Hodgeson and Kenny. I'm not posting to start sh*t, but to see if any reds think putting the club 1st for a change and keeping Luis would be better for the long run
DBol

I agree DBol, we've suited LS long enough we should suit the club now. Only sell if £50m bid comes in. Otherwise keep him and watch us climb the table! (yes reprimand him, etc but I wouldn't cast him aside)

There is no reason why we can't beat any team in the premiership next season, and that includes both Manc teams and Arsenal and Chelsea. What we lack is the consistency to keep doing it week in and week out. Once we get that sorted, we should be aiming for 1st not 4th. I am just a bit worried now that the squad will be a bit new, and may need time to gel - but we have a good fixture list so that may help us a bit. We could be a bit of a dark horse next season - you never know.

Nick

Its your season next season nick lmaoo think you should target first with plays like kolo in your squad

You're right mate it doesn't. Eds can back me up did we not finish 3rd to the end of last season with countino and sturridge?

London red

Wrong site, dio lad!
'N more to the ppoint, no-one's arsed!

Apart from City no one has made a real move yet. Wait until United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs have made signings and the panic amongst the more faint-hearted on here will start. We've bought Alberto and they've bought Ronaldo. "We're doomed!"
Swansea have bought Bony, we should have got him not Aspas who sounds like a type of snake. Brendan's taking us to the Championship. I think we will have every chance of top 4 with a goalscoring midfielder and a powerful and mobile centre back.

Kidder

I hope your wrong about rodgers getting the sack if we fail to get top 4 . as long as I see us improving and gelling as a team I will back him . this is not a short term thing and fsg must now give it time . I would like to see suarez stay but if he goes he goes for our price and on our terms and good luck to him [ michael owen and torres ] grass is not always greener on the other side, ps . I hope we get top 4 and I think the league is wide open this year for any team that clicks and no distraction of thursday night football will help us .

02 Jul 2013 16:47:31
Hi Eds,

Any interest from us in Illarramendi from Real Sociedad? Reminds me of a young Alonso and comes from the same team!

If not us, is he likely to move in this window?

Thanks

Z {Ed052's Note - Nothing from us I'm afraid}

Liverpool have been to watch Real Sociedad a few times during last season but not heard who they were looking at.

Illramendi being looked at by Madrid as an Alonso replacement.

Orrin

02 Jul 2013 16:29:31
eds, was just listening to kaka on tv and he was saying that he needs to hold talks with ancelotti regarding his future as he wants to get in the Brazil squad for the wc. My question is, if he is not in ancelottis plans, who would be interested in him, would Liverpool be interested even on loan, and what would u think would be his price tag. Thanks jayo. {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about a move to Liverpool. Italy would be likely.}

As a fan looking in, Italy would be the last league I would touch if I was a footballer. They have some great clubs in Italy, but the league is an utter disgrace

02 Jul 2013 15:47:02
Hey Ed's. do you envision Toure being one of our two starting center backs come opening day?

Thanks {Ed052's Note - yes}

Ed052 no, just no! He is backup, end of! Why even answer yes?

Hardy1892 {Ed052's Note - You really think Toure would move to sit on the bench?}

Toure had to move - his contract was up .

Agreed with Ed052. I think Toure is 2nd choice by default after Agger. It's up to the 3rd choice (Skrtel, if he's around still, or whoever) to change this. What I don't see happening is an expensive CB (like Papadopoulos) coming in.

I suspect at the end of the window there is going to much grumbling when our net spend is probably close to 0 and we've probably reduced the wage bill again. Guess we'll see though.

I don't think a player is guarenteed a place unless stand out I think he knows he will be one of three fighting for a place obviously good for us

mayhem 1981

Because Ed052 was asked so he gave his opinion? person

HB

I agree with ED052. Even if I didn't I don't see how anyone who knows soccer could get so upset at the thought of him starting for us. Ahead of Lescott last season he wasn't ahead of Kompany when fit (1 of the best CBs in the league) or Nastasic (City's 2nd best player behind Zabaleta last season, imo).

02 Jul 2013 15:44:38
Hearing from a AS journalist friend of mine that the Mkhitaryan deal is virtually dead in the water.

The reason is Liverpool had expected to sell Suarez by now and were using the money from his sale to buy Mkhitaryan.

he says that there was an agreement between Suarez and Liverpool that he could leave and it was in the best interest of both that it was concluded quickly. But Suarez's continued statements about moving has persuaded teams to back off for the moment. Therefore it leaves Rodgers without the funds and owners not willing to take the risk that Suarez does not leave and they are left with a 30 million euro overspend.

So At moment the club is in a better position financially than before.

Toure on less wages than Carragher
Aspas on less wages than Carroll
Alberto probably around the same as Shelvey when we sell him
Mignolet less than Reina if we sell him.

Orrin

Yeah right - again, LFC would never have expected to sell Saurez by now, and if that's the case why would take a stand that he is not for sale, and who in their right mind believes a journalist anyway, according to journalists we have bought a shed load already, well nailed on ones at least.

No mate

That's 2 minutes I won't be getting back.

MIKEY

John B, the club only took the stand when Suarez opened his mouth. They were not going to say yes we want to sell him.

Instead if Suarez had shut his mouth then Liverpool could have told an agent to go out and sound out interested parties and keep it quiet. Instead it has been played out in front of the world because Suarez could not shut his mouth. If an interested party opened their mouth, then Liverpool could deny it, but most would not say anything as they would not want to let others know their position.

My guess is that Suarez could have been sold in the first few weeks after the season had ended and Liverpool would have had the money to re-build.

Now everybody knows Suarez wants out and that means he is less valuable and that Liverpool need the money to buy other players.

And by the way this is the guy that told me about Liverpool watching Aspas back in December. Check out my post.

Orrin

I don't think so. As I understand there is no budget limit for players. They will buy if the right player is available at the right price.

The wndow only opened yesterday and Liverpool are disappointed its taking too long to sell Suarez?

Jaysus that such a long time one day!

Is this not a win-win situation for LFC as we know that is Suarez leaves we will get an adequate replacement for him.

If he stays, then all the people criticizing him now will get behind him as soon as he scores his first goal in the season.

mgz

I am amazed at how many people write before they engage their brains.

Of course there is a budget limit for players. Even Monoco, PSG, Chelsea and Manchester City have one.FFP is coming along and Liverpool are currently losing money each year.

As for the window only being open one day. Did we not agree deals for Aspas, Alberto, Mignolet and Toure before yesterday? They became officially our players when they signed the contract and the contract was only official for yesterday.

We would have been looking to agree or been close to agreeing the deal by now and that would have allowed us to buy Mkhitaryan. But money or agreement are not anywhere close so owners will not risk spending what could be a large outlay that might not be paid back with the sale of Suarez.

Orrin

I don't know if all of what you say Orrin is correct or not, but I do suspect and agree that Mkhitaryan coming in is dependent on Suarez leaving (or at least having a deal well in hand) as I don't think we could afford him otherwise. I certainly can't see a scenario where both are on the books come the close of the transfer window.

Sorry orrin but don't think you if true took in and used your brain for what your friend told you as there is no way we need to sell luis to buy mkhi

mayhem 1981

Mayhem 1981

Why do you believe we have the budget to buy HM and keep LS while also strengthening the rest of the team.

We spent 20 million in January which affected the Summer budget. Liverpool are not a company making money they are losing it.

How may 30 million + players have we ever bought? One and that was Andy Carroll and we got 35 + 15 for Torres. Therefore, we have not really ever paid 30 million before for a player. So suddenly we are going to blow a huge hole in the budget with Fair Play coming along.

I think last season was the extra season Suarez gave to us. I think with Rodgers arriving he gave us the season for the Evra affair. I think there may have been an agreement if we did not make champions league he could leave.

Look at the history of Liverpool. the business model is not going to change this season. These owners are prudent not stupid. They are not going to put Liverpool's position in the Premiership at stake.

Orrin

For what's its worth I agree with Orrin.

Suarez has reduced the amount we can now hope to achieve from is sale by 1. His antics and 2. His clear desire to leave. We went early with the deals we could wrap up easily and now need to sell to buy. I do believe we could get HM with quick sales of Shelvey & Reina though. Other targets would then be on a one in one out basis with Suarez sale leaving us looking for a replacement with 10-15m spare to bring net spend down to c10m for the summer (with stronger squad and overall reduction in wage bill although not a mega saving)

Downing could be replaced by a loan signing to back up Aspas allowing Sterling a season on loan and come back to replace the loan man. If this was a player of the calibre of Deulofeu it would make sense if he and Barca knew he'd be featuring in 30 games next season.

Kidder

02 Jul 2013 15:22:29
Hi ed's
We all know the Shelvey situation so I won't bother repeating that, however Jay Spearing now looking likely to stay in north west. Bolton as I've mentioned before have enquired and Wigan have now enquired. Sunderlands interest still remains but may depend on cattermoles movements. Also, Sunderland and Liverpool
Have been in frequent dialogue this summer (obviously mainly due to miglionet) and my north east contact believes a Liverpool player (believed to be shelvey or downing) is being tracked by sunderland. And despite what may be being reported, I'm still told that we have no current interest in Tom Ince.as I've said before Jan seems to have been the chance for this deal to happen and since we have not had contact with Blackpool.

Your contact is not really on the ball is he. downing won't go to sunderland that's like a Liverpool player going to man u for downing. your talking utter rubbish your just going over the same old talk that's been said before.
sjc

Downing had a loan spell at sunderland back when he was at boro, so it is plausible that he'd move there.

Motty

Thanks motty, you beat me to it! SJC, your entitled to your opinion but I'm not being funny I've got better things to do than lie about not exactly mind blowing transfers! If I was telling everyone we were about to sign messi and ronaldo I'd have the right to be slated, but I'm not! I'm talking about minor transfers that I've heard information about as I have contacts in the north east and via a source who works in championship football. That is all! The site is called Liverpool Rumours. I kinda think it does what it says on the tin.

02 Jul 2013 15:08:53
Toure no 4.

I think it only apt that our experienced CB takes over the number that Hyypia graced for most of the last 10 years!

Now if we can only get 2-3 Hyypia-esque years out of Toure, we'd all be happy!

Z

02 Jul 2013 14:38:22
welcome kolo great signing get mkhitaryan job done great work BR

Yeah, welcome Kolo, good to see it all official, at Melwood, in a Liverpool kit. YNWA.

Welcome to LFC Kolo.

The real AG

02 Jul 2013 14:25:18
Was watching tv and they said coming in and Liverpool have completed the signing of. Kolo Toure. Was hoping he was going to say Mickey! Got my hopes up there haha. Cheers.
ROI.

02 Jul 2013 14:35:47
Does anyone else think Liverpool are going to play hard ball over Saurez ie If they don't receive circa £40 - £50 million expect to see his face sitting in the stands in September. with quotes along the lines of " I still love Liverpool Football Club " as he realises he will have to wait till Liverpool want to sell him!!

And remember its the world cup next year, and he won't want to spend the season training and biting in the reserves? Hopefully he will get his head right and with the new players coming in and No micky mouse Europa we can get a Champions League place.

Final point - surely it could be better to wait till he plays in world cup if they qualify, scores a few goals ( no biting ) = Bigger price tag . and leaves in top 4 ??

I think he'll stay. At least until January, and if we are still in the mix for the top, or at least the top 4, he'll stay until the end of the season.

If we finish the season in the CL, I think he'll stay on longer.

I just hope to god he starts to behave himself - Pears would be good!

He doesn't need to play consistently to get into the Uruguay squad as long he maintains his fitness. He's a fan favorite and one of their top scorers. Dropping him would be for them to welcome an exit in the group stages because that's what would happen

Not me if the money is offered and luis puts his tr in they will take it all day long question is are they and him prepared to do it

Last post of mayhem 1981

02 Jul 2013 14:16:01
Not really a rumor more an observation. Suarez seems to have lost his tongue in the last couple of weeks. Do you think he has been told to shut up or that he realizes that there are no clubs willing to pay the fee Lfc want. How do you think he will be 'welcomed' back at Anfield.

Personally I don't give a hoot about a player's history or antics, I just want to know whether they would improve the team .

For example, if Torres was the player he was in 2009, I would have him back in an instant . Sadly, he will never get anywhere near that level again .

Suarez is a world class player, if you had to pick a 22 man squad to represent Earth against Mars, Suarez would be in it . If the project is to move forward, we need Suarez .

02 Jul 2013 14:06:50
Would be excited personally with the Henrikh Mkhitaryan signing if it were to happen and would definitely add goals to this team. I know some of the eds think he may be expensive but seeing some of these massive fees £25m doesn't seem so bad to me. We spent £20m on Aquilini after all - still laughing at rafa for that one. Its rare you see a player that unsuited for a certain league

I am more anxious to see who comes in on the defensive end. I think we still need more cover there as Coates is likely to go and Skrtel is up in the air. Ilori and Papa look nice prospects but time will tell as it always does.

As for the whiners on here, get a clue and have some common sense. BR and owners are doing a good job spending a little more wisely in terms of risk versus years past. That and I think we keep adding to our young talent pool which is essential when CL football cannot be offered. For those who say we need to spend 100m every window are nuts (not that we all wouldn't love to have that ability - but let's be realistic).

Look at Dortmund - they built almost that entire Champions league final squad with their youth system and smart young transfers. And no one who is coveting a 35m+ transfer is going to want to come to a non CL team besides maybe Andy Carroll from 2 years back. Torres forced our hand a little but I still think that might be top 5 worst transfers in PL history.

Cheers
RedWalshie

02 Jul 2013 18:20:27
Hello is this the same Confused Red who posted 21st June "I'll also stand by what I said a week ago that Mkhitaryan will not sign for LFC"

02 Jul 2013 13:57:50
Just a quick question as i'm bored at work, where do you reckon we rank in terms of attractiveness to players, I know its not easy to answer this as so much goes into Champions League football, wages offered, Transfer fee available etc. Just it seems the better or should I say proven players are snapped up quickly by the likes of spurs and the top 4 where as we seem to struggle.
What you think

I think if Suarez goes we become far less attractive in terms of quality on the pitch. I'd see us at the level able to attract a David Villa but not a Cavani. We're still a huge club and we're on the up. Those at the very top though I'd see as out of our league price wise and attractiveness as we haven't been in the champions league or challenged for the PL in a few years.

Still a few more Sturridge signings and we'll be back in the champions league and be back to being viewed as one of the best to play for again, imo!

The Premier League is considered one of the best leagues in the world.
The Champions League is considered one of the best competitions in the world.

Premier League clubs earn a lot more money than other leagues.
Champions League clubs earn a lot more money than other competitions.

Football players want as much competitive football and earn as much money as they can get.

Without Champions League football Liverpool can only offer Premier League football.
Without Champions League football Liverpool can only spend Premier League money.

We can still compete for any player we want to sign.
The problem is there are more clubs that can compete with us now.

02 Jul 2013 13:45:52
Eds and reds,
As this is the banter page can we have opinions on what players you think will leave Liverpool this summer?

My guess is Martin Skrtel, Sebastian Coates, Jonjo Shelvey, Jay Spearing, Stewart Downing, Oussama Assaidi and Luis Suarez. {Ed052's Note - I expect all of those, but Downing to leave, as well as youngsters, such as Ngoo (possibly), Adorjan etc.}

02 Jul 2013 12:53:23
''Jags is ten times the player Agger is''

I just read this on the Everton page. LOL Words fail me!

MR EM

I might get slated for this but I do think Jagielka is on of the best centre halves in the conutry, i'd say a very similar level to Agger if not slightly better defensivley.


Sam Adzii JFT96 YNWA

Sure they didn't say 2 Jags (ie. Prescott), he might be 10 times the player (well in size anyway).

In fairness mr m he is good

dave

My ribs this has to be a joke

He is a good player, no doubt. But he hasn't got a left foot like daggers and maybe a little biased but I think aggre is quicker, just my opinion

Where did I say I did not think Jagielka is a good player?

I just do not believe he is better than Agger, certainly not as comfortable on the ball as Agger and without doubt not ten times better!

MR EM

I think Agger is a better player while as a defender, they are at a similar level at the moment I think.

I have always had this feeling Agger has yet to reach his peak as I believe he can still go a level above his current level. Jagielka is in the form of his life and can only go down a level.

The real AG

Has anyone ever watched jagielka he has no passing skills at all can't wait till next season when he is exposed unless as I think he will switch to 3 at the back with a passing cb to be signed for an example watch all jagielkas england games awfull is the word

mayhem 1981

Thats why Jags is on the Barca radar again. Another overhyped English footballer.

The Irish Rover

02 Jul 2013 12:33:26
Hi Ed's, as always great site. LFC are in for Mkhitaryan but how the hell did we let Paulinho go to white hart lane for 8m less? seems Brenda has missed something there.So far LFC have not spent much on transfers if you factor in the cash received from Carroll and hopefully we can bag some cash from the Ince deal to Cardiff. Question for you - have LFC purposely bought small and do you see 2 (or maybe 3 if Suarez goes) big gun signings before the close of the transfer? {Ed002's Note - Liverpool has not made any efforts in respect of Paulinho. I have no idea what "big gun" signings are.}

Well, Carla, the thing is that Paulinho is a young CM/CDM that does a lot of running and defensive work whilst moving the ball on short passes between defense and the front 4. We have Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, Henderson as well as youth players like Coady and Baio playing those roles in our squad. Mhkitaryan is a CAM with lots of pace and energy that pushes forward into scoring positions and finishes well. We don't have that style of player and he will add goals from our midfield which is needed. You see, we need goal scoring CAM and back up CDM, not another CM.

So, Carla, perhaps Brendan knows a little more a out the needs of squad and the attributes of available players than you do.

Seems to me like he wasn't the most popular player available as Spurs were in a one horse race for him.

02 Jul 2013 13:42:21
he's refering to Kyle Naughton and Sebastien Bassong sort of "big gun" signings

Why would paulinho go to Liverpool, he wants to contend for things and play in europe

dave

Frank 'Cannon' played for QPR, that would be a big gun signing

So dave why has he fine to spurs, spurs are like arsenal and a 3 legged horse, you may be in the race to win but let's face it your never guna win it

02 Jul 2013 12:25:11
hi eds, any chance of a return of dirk kuyt, missed him last year {Ed052's Note - no chance}

02 Jul 2013 11:56:11
Anyone else notice that Liverpool are chasing players with long names. I think the clubs transfer targets are dictated to by the club shop who specifically want loads of money for lettering in the tops? . Can't fool me mr Lfc. ;)
Leftfieldy

Its all the fans who are asking for big name players.

Just wait for us to be linked with Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink, Juninho Pernambucano, jakub blaszczykowski, Socratis Papastathopoulos and Lazaros Christodoulopoulos in the coming days!

Aspas, Toure?

02 Jul 2013 11:34:20
Hi eds do you think Liverpool can use shelvy as bait to land williams? {Ed052's Note - Its possible, of course, but perhaps the more important question is do Liverpool have interest in Williams. And the answer is no}

02 Jul 2013 11:10:53
I think that we may only target ilori for centre back and then see how kelly does at centre back in pre season. Then that could that could determine whether we actually sign a centre back and who we sign, this may be why we seem to be targeting right backs as moving kelly to centre back would leave us short on right backs, but then again we do have mclaughlin and wisdom. Kelly, skrtel, toure and illori would then be competing for a starting position next to agger. This is only putting 2 and 2 together and I do not claim to be ITK on this one.

Lil Red

We've been targeting right backs? Who? Even without Kelly at RB we're still good there with Johnson; Wisdom; and McLaughlin even.

I think we could sell Martin Skrtel and Sebastian Coates.
Then we could buy Tiago Ilori and promote Martin Kelly.

-----Toure-----Agger-----
-----Kelly-------Ilori------

Kelly worry's me, he seems very injury prone.
Agger has had his fair share of injury's too
We don't need too much instability in the centre of defence

02 Jul 2013 12:32:02
It looks likely we will sign Ilori; eventually!

I would not be happy going into the season with Agger, Toure, Kelly and Ilori. Ilori is only 20 and has only just broken into the Sporting Lisbon side. He has no top flight experience, as let's be honest, its the Portugese league. Kelly and Agger are both very injury prone. That leaves us with one reliable centre back in Toure, but he is 32 years of age, and mainly offers experience and leadership. He will still need a solid centre back alongside him. Wisdom in my opinion could also offer competition, and that would make me a little more convinced. But to have 2 U21's, 2 Injury prones and a 32 years old as our 5 first choice centre backs, still sounds risky to me. Either keep Skrtel, or replace him with Sakho/Papadopoulos. NOT De Vrij or Alderweireld. We need a monster to partner Agger/Toure as they are both very much ball playing centre backs. If Kelly can stay fit, he's the best defender in our squad. Fast, 6ft4, very good with the ball, can bring it out of defence, he is the best 1 0n 1 defender I've seen in a Liverpool shirt since Carragher of the mid 2000's. He just needs to shake those injuries! Until recently, I thought there was 0 chance of Sakho, and had my heart set on Papa. However, Papa has injury and attitude problems (although he's an absolute machine!) and the Echo and Sakho himself have mentioned Liverpools interest. Sakho is a very good defender, and would be a great addition to the starting lineup. Either of these two have to be signed in my opinion, unless Skrtel stays and ups his game.

Adam, I think numbers wise we should be fine with those 5 (including Wisdom) my only concern would be I would prefer to leave Ilori (young/promising/prospect) and instead just go for 1 better CB the stature of a Papadopolous someone first on the teamsheet keep Agger on his toes (he needed better competition last season). Another reason I'd do this is because Kelly & Wisdom are already filling the young/promising/prospect roles for CB.

And yes Papa is very young too but he's a lot more established & experienced. He's already made it at CB I wouldn't classify him as a prospect.

I think wisdom center half before Kelly with his injuries

You say we have players in defence that worry you because they are injury prone, then say buy Papadopolous who is just as bad for being injury prone?

02 Jul 2013 10:35:32
Hey eds
WIth interest on mh from both Liverpool and spurs. Who is his 1st choice as I herd u say he prefers london.

THanks {Ed052's Note - It would be guess work to say who Mickey prefers.}

02 Jul 2013 09:19:01
Atsu deal dead, now Liverpool look at buying back Ince.
MKHIT to sign very soon!

Glad Atsu isn't coming
Ince off to Cardiff

We don't need either of them, but what about Matt Phillips.

Rather sign shaw and use enrique as winger when needed and back up lb

mayhem 1981

I agree we don't need either of them, we don't need Matt Phillips either

02 Jul 2013 08:13:15
Hello Editor,
Or should I call you David?
What a coincidence that a suggested posting regarding Henrikh Mkhitaryan (about coach's comments that Mkhitaryan was making a mistake) ended up in the Daily Mirror last night?
Appears to me a nice little business for journalists to hoover up work from passionate fans who only want to see their team succeed.
I don't really care if this is the mechanism that journalists use to gather stories for paper (as fans still get some wind of what is likely to happen), but I feel one should still publish the posting on here (or ask for a shorter version) - even just after a 'scoop' hits the press.
Creates a different perspective as to how to interpret the posts on here!

More conspiracy theories. Is that you, Ozone?

I have seen a couple of posts on here end up in the Mirror (internet searches, I don't buy comics). I just hope they leave you Ed's a drink for making their work easy!

K79

02 Jul 2013 12:03:16
I remember reading some post on some online media, which quoted a post from this web site.

02 Jul 2013 07:55:06
Eds, is it true that Benat is joining Bilbao for only 7m? I appreciate 'We can't buy everyone' and in fact this post isn't really LFC related, but surely someone has missed out on a bargain there? Such a quality player!

RedKopite {Ed002's Note - Nobody else made an offer.}

02 Jul 2013 10:24:26
He is a Bilbao youth product mate.
He was released at a young age and it has been his motivation and dream to return to Bilbao so it was the only move he wanted.

He also had a year to run on his contract and a release clause so I'm guessing that's the reason for his price-tag.

[The only REDS]

02 Jul 2013 07:38:27
Good morning eds. I have seen a few reports that link us to Sevilla's winger Ivan Rakitić. It looks like they need cash and would be willing to sell at a reasonable price thus should he not do well in the EPL would command a higher resale value than we pay. Looks a good buy and would fit into BR style of play. Has anyone shown interest ed's and do you think there's any possibility?

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

So if he fails we sell him at a profit? Please share your logic on a club willing to pay more for him in a year's time after failing than they'd be willing to pay for him right now?

The logic is quite simple. Because Seville will more than likely accept a fee WELL BELOW his current market value (because they are in financial difficulty) and he comes to the EPL and cannot cope with rigours of the English game (and let's face it we've seen quite a few players come to these shores and not perform, only to go abroad and excel) we would still be able to sell him on at a profit.
On the other hand, he could come to us and perform brilliantly.
A win win situation.
And to give you an example. Assadi came to us for around £1 million. I'd be surprised if we don't get in excess of £3 million if we sell him this summer.

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

If a club wants him after a poor season in EPL then that would mean they are interested in his talent shown in the past (up until now in this scenario). I.E. they would buy him now for the cheaper price not wait for him to get a year older after a poor season and then pay MORE for him. That's my logic on it anyway.

Assaidi cost around £3m and there were other clubs interested at the time. If we do sell him we're likely to brake even and there seems to be a lot of interest in him loan wise so we may not even sell him this year. That £2m profit you are suggesting is pittance and not a good business model - he hasn't been hanging around for jelly beans all season.

02 Jul 2013 06:53:13
Good morning Eds and all LFC Fans

I have read that if Blackpool sells Ince this year Liverpool have got 50% of his sale and that LFC can match any offer made by another team. Is this true?

If the above is true what would happen if it is Liverpool to by Ince back. Will Liverpool benefit from the above?

Thanks in advance.

David {Ed002's Note - I don't know any of the details of the agreement.}

02 Jul 2013 10:35:20
I think Liverpool are entitled to 35% of his transfer fee.
So if we want to get him, £ 5.2 million and he is ours!
To be honest Ince is one of our targets that I haven't watched.

Will he be able to replace Downing? Will he be an upgrade? And is he good enough for Liverpool?
Hope for some answers lads, from those who have seen him play:) Cheers

[The only REDS]

Ince is a good young player and I think he would be better than Downing which wouldn't be hard tbh lol.

We really shouldn't be selling a player of his ability like we did for such a pittance. With English player valuations being what they are I think Blackpool were always in a win win at the price we sold.

It shows how much the club were clueless back then when we sell one of the most promising youngsters we had for 800 grand and 18 months later were willing to pay 8.5m to buy him back.

02 Jul 2013 04:26:40
To the people who thinks that the squad number (Luis Alberto 6, Aspas 9) has anything to do with first team appearance, just consider Assaidi 11 and think how much chance he had in our starting XI.

HK

People often read far too much into squad numbers. The player picks the number.
It has nothing to do with what the manager thinks the players role will be. The fact that Luis Alberto has number 6 does not mean that Rodgers sees him in some kind of 'Iniesta role' or even a guarenteed start in the starting line-up.
The fact that in the Premier League last season there was two forwards that wore the number 2 shirt (dempsey, kone) is proof of this.
It just tends to be the odd person trying to look into something that isn't there.

Aspas is quality! Liverpool have made a real signing there and I think the fans will fall in love with him. I don't know much about Alberto.

Jones has #1. doesn't mean he'll start ahead of mignolet and reina

02 Jul 2013 01:54:51
Evening Eds,
It seems the interest in a CB has cooled (or not being reported). I do know Liverpool need 1 or 2 more and was just wondering what the latest is.
Cheers {Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed. I would still expect Ilori.}

01 Jul 2013 23:38:31
Hi Eds

just wondering about our back room staff. Is there any changes in the line up, regarding coaches, medical fitness staff etc?

It does seem like a bit of an unrecognized field, yet with a huge impact on our players perfomances. {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware of.}

Interesting post that. Brendan brought a couple in from Swansea when he came (Pascoe, Driscoll and Chris Davies), and IMO seems to be relatively happy with what he's got, but would be interesting to see if he changes any of the backroom personnel either this summer or over the coming year (that are maybe more naturally suited to the formation/philosophy Brendan likes). FSG seem to be on it in terms of recruiting business/marketing staff at the club, so there are changes there. Maybe a couple of ex players coming in would help inspire the youngsters or show what it means to player for LFC. (any suggestions, Fowler, Barnes, Hamann, Wright?)

Hopefully being satisfied with the current set up, means that we are concentrating on the 1. team.

Should also mean that BR is in for the long haul and is given that chance by the Yanks. If everything from 1. team to the academy is in sync it looks like a good long term future

01 Jul 2013 23:55:51
Can't believe this cheeky ******* Shaktar coach trying to say that LFC are no bigger than them?? WTF is this guy on?

02 Jul 2013 05:58:22
Mate not only shaktar coach but every sports chanel, including our own leagends & some of our own fans think the same, Liverpool are known for past success rather then present, we had some dignity & respect when we were aleast competing in champions league but now even that's gone & its almost 6 years we haven't return back neither have won league title for 2+ decades, Liverpool have been surviving for a lot of years by its past success but now footy has really changed history counts very little, its all about trophys & success & that applies to everyone fans, sponsors, media, etc etc, today when chelsea play both in england or in europe they are called by pundits, media, commentators etc as england Giants despite winning only 3 league titles & teams like everton, villa are known as midtable teams despite winning more league titles then chelsea, we ourselves call them midtable teams & chelsea a big team that's just a small example how fans think today including ourselves!

Who cares?
I doubt anybody is really stupid enough to believe him.

Fact is Shaktar were in the finals of the CL, Liverpool were nowhere to be seen. They will be in CL again next season while Liverpool will be watchin it on TV like the rest of us. Shaktar are currently a more successful than we are. Deal with it!

YEA! Screw that guy for having an opinion. Everyone should cheer for our team,

02 Jul 2013 07:55:02
i know everton and spurs fans r at it aswell lol.Tommy Irish Red

. and how many time has Shaktar win the CL

As it stands, right now, they are above our level. Deal with it and let's focus on getting back to where we WERE.

Brisbane

A more successful team in a much easier league to qualify for CL - but certainly not a more successful team in realistic terms.

He wants to play in best league in the world. It's simple really! Liverpool are a bigger club with more money and pay better hence he wants a move!

02 Jul 2013 09:39:10
man utd won very little in the 70s 80s yet when gordon mcqueen stood up to lift the fa cup in 1983 they were saying at last the biggest club in britain has won the fa cup. I remember that so I think its all how you are viewed by the rest of football. I have to say Mark lawrenson is a big let down, but I think we can take a look at utd and strive to get back up to the top like they really did because as unreported they weren't the biggest club in britain in 1983 we were.Tommy Irish Red

He wants to play in the richest league in the world. ££££

Mickey will have a better chance of winning the CL at Liverpool over the next 6yrs than he ever would at Shaktar.

Supported Lpool for 40 years and seen great teams and players. You lot need to open your eyes and realise what he says is actually true to an extent.

History wise we are in a different universe but as of right now he is correct.

To the poster who made the ridiculous comment that he has more chance of winning the CL with us more than them, I ask you why?

We are not even able to offer Europa league football never mind CL. Also what makes you think we are going to break into the CL places inside 6 years? that's sheer arrogance on your part.

So in reply they at least can win the CL because they are in the actual CL whereas we are not.

It hurts we are not where we once were, but consider this, we are used to talk of making the top 4 these days, Lpool years ago would baulk at such talk as we entered everything with the aim of being the best. Unless Lpool get owners like the King of Brunei (DLC owner) who can wipe these new Sugar daddy clubs off the map then we just can't compete its simple as that.

Right now Lpool can't live off the past because teams are leaving us behind. Look at Chelsea, City, PSG etc all have the ability to buy whatever players they choose. Lpool just seem to be rebuilding every year, plugging gaps every season. We need wealthy owners to take us back to the top.

Why should ex players like Lawrenson lie to keep some unrealistic fans happy.

Maybe ffpr will help our owners compete in a more even playing field, but what the hell if we are not as successful as previous times we r and always will be 1 of the biggest clubs in the world just have a look when the first team travel to the other side of the world and imo the kid is right we are going to be back in with a shout as I can see us pushing on with a mixture of youth team players and smart investment in quality in the positions br identifys.so no name mark lawrenson fan you just follow him all the way to old trafford you will see his feet firmly sitting out of purple nose hole.Tommy Irish Red

So why when lfc play man u it's super sunday when we are 7th in the league or when we play Chelsea. The epl is the most watched league in the world, all these players that what to be globally known will leave CL with shaktar for Liverpool . LFC will take normal footballers and turn them to super stars and we have seen that with lots of ex players .

WAZ THE RED