Liverpool Banter Archive September 23 2010
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23 Sep 2010 23:41:30
For the last week or so i have read nothing but negative feedback towards roy hodgson and think the so called red fans out their should hang their head in shame for slating our manager as he is doing his best in a difficult situation!
I think you need a reality check , hes doing his best well his best is not good enough for us, have you not seen our games this season, our starting 11 is not bad its his style and tactics that have us all over the shop, and don't mind this bulls* t he needs time, his time is running out. So people who are not happy with our league position and being beat by northampton and who are not a fan of Hodgson are so called fans, well then what are people who are happy with Hodgson and think we're going forward.
23 Sep 2010 23:16:43
23 Sep 2010 23:12:44
Hodgeson or hodgson whatever still gettin sack
LOL! Your words enough.
Blair Mayne YNWA
23 Sep 2010 23:09:37
For the last week or so i have read nothing but negative feedback towards roy hodgson and think the so called red fans out their should hang their head in shame for slating our manager as he is doing his best in a difficult situation.
The days of topping tables and turning out in cup finals are gone(for now) and we need to take a dose of reality and remember the dire situation we find ourselves in. We should be rallying around our team and manager and working towards the ultimate goal of ridding the club of the owners who have done nothing but tarnish our great club and somewhere along the line have also managed to split the opinions of the once faithfull kopites.
So i say this we should hand on in their and not allow the yanks to turn us against the playing and coaching staff as they are not the ones resposable for the mess we find ourselves in today.
We all support the same ultimate cause so remember youll never walk alone.
Rant Over
Koppitetillidie
23 Sep 2010 23:06:03
The question time:so im looking at the leb-dem in liverpool at the moment. Seems to be that alot of people chat, no one gives any real answers and everyone just gets on with their jobs. Nothing really gets done.
Just reminds me of liverpool,
23 Sep 2010 23:02:13
Arsene Wenger: on youth players.
All he looks for from youth players, is a quick good footballin brain (quick thinker) and good personal control.
Everthing else can be taught.
The plroblem Houllier had real problem with getting players who where not have quick footballin brains.
Do any of these players look as if they can hack it once the speed increases EPL is very fast pace.
23 Sep 2010 23:00:33
23 Sep 2010 22:53:35
It's official, Oprah Winfrey has made an official bid for the club.
Never mind Oprah Winfrey mate Jeremy Kyle could probably afford to buy us.
Blair Mayne YNWA
23 Sep 2010 22:57:04
Roy needs to go, get king kenny back in the helm to bring back the glory days. Babel is a waste of space get rid asap.
23 Sep 2010 22:53:35
It's official, Oprah Winfrey has made an official bid for the club.
23 Sep 2010 22:37:20
Ed what do you think will shelvey make it, can spearing hack it
always a red {ed's note - I think it is too late for Spearing to be honest, shame because I think he could have made it given the chance early enough. Shelvey is one of those that is a definite to make it, like Gerrard, Owen, Fowler and a few others, he has that little something that makes him stand out above the rest.}
23 Sep 2010 22:26:07
In the leadup to yesterday's match there was a lot of talk about the younger players showing they are good enough. Something similar came out of Roy Hodgson's mouth in a prematch interview.
What I am wondering now is if these players will play again all year because obviously they did not get the result. while I have been calling for more youth in the side, I now am starting to think Roy would be justified in now incorporating the youngsters after they did so poorly against a league two side. Any thoughts? Ed? {ed's note - I don't think you can put the blame on the youth players, there were enough experienced players in the team to beat any lower league side. Myself, I think it showed that the youngsters desperately need experience of first team football sooner rather than later.}
23 Sep 2010 22:22:35
23 Sep 2010 20:32:48
Northampton Town, ha ha ha ha ha
wrong site dic* * ds are on the man utd site
23 Sep 2010 21:53:39
I totally agree shelvey is a good player, and he will continue to develop into a great player, hopefully the next gerrard. but lets not forget centre midfield in the premiership is brutal, the toughest in the world. so we should not be pressuring the manager to play him to often. and on that note i'm not sure if spearing will flourish, i mean i like the fact he is a local lads but there are not many cm's his size in the league, hope i'm not being to harsh. then again what do i know just look at xavi not the tallest but 1 of the best in the world.
always a red
23 Sep 2010 21:48:48
If Torres leaves would it really be a bad thing? He doesn't have the right mentality and is playing pretty badly. Getting 30+ million pounds for him is worth it if we can replace him with a couple of world class players? What are your thoughts Ed and everyone else? {ed's note - I wouldn't sell him for 30m, I think he is worth more, but I would sell him myself and buy two strikers with the money received.}
23 Sep 2010 21:13:17
"Shelvey looks a class act"
Shut up guys!
My dirty cow of a missus still wants to bang him senseless!
All that and losing to a bunch of Cobblers!
23 Sep 2010 21:12:43
DON'T READ THIS IF YOU WANT TO SLEEP TONIGHT
"Net current liabilities have increased by £53.6 million to £413.3 Million. .this is the result of additional funding for new stadium development and inter company loans from Kop Cayman to fund investment in the player squad".
Kop Cayman (H&G) took £3.6 million in increased interest charges from KFH (LFC) to pay themselves interest on the loans. They are basically paying themselves back for funding transfers.
Note 17 to these accounts will bring a smile to your faces though. . . .
At the time of these financial statements £1st July 2009. H&G had loaned £144.4 Million to Kop Football Holdings. The loaned amount is repayable on demand except if to do so would cause the Company to become insolvent!
KFH has to pay RBS/ Wachovia around £297 million by early to mid October. KFH cannot possibly repay that amount. With no buyer stupid enough to bail them out they were trying to buy time by seeking other lenders. If they had the cash they wouldn't need to find other lenders. If they did have the cash and loaned it to KFH to repay RBS/ Wachovia, they would be up their necks in £441 million of investment and financing costs for a business that will only make a profit of around £15 million (if you're lucky) on reduced revenues. Player SALES will also make up part of that 'profit'.
Seriously guys. Who in their right mind would invest that kind of money for such a low return? Knowing they need to also improve the squad, invest in a new stadium and have the confidence that revenue and profits would improve based on performance.
No chance! Forget about Arabs, Investment companies, Supporters Trusts, Richard Branson, and the sugar fairy. I fear LiverpIOUl is history. MikeG
23 Sep 2010 21:01:16
Macca if you had a pizza would you cut it into 4 pieces or 8?
23 Sep 2010 20:59:13
If I was Liverpool Manager this would be my
starting XI
REINA
KELLY AGGER SKRTEL KONCHESKYJOHNSON GERRARD MEIRELES JOVANOVIC
COLE
TORRES
THAT TEAM WOULD WIN US THE PREMIER LEAGUE ANY DAY.
23 Sep 2010 20:42:12
Look last night proves that our squad is not good enough, maybe know we can concentrate on the competitions we are in with the squad we have got, it might be a blessing in disguise.
Let the important games begin on Saturday. .
Macca
23 Sep 2010 20:32:48
Northampton Town, ha ha ha ha ha
23 Sep 2010 20:25:28
Everyone needs to stop moaning at roy hodgson he put out a young team like most fans wanted and they did not win babel is useless his hole game was rubbish i mean he can't even set up goals or score against northampton town i have said all along we need another decent striker like demba ba, vedad ibisevic, ola toivonen, gignac , chinedu obasi, mario gomez some to get 20 goals in all comps a season to take pressure of torres and stop the talk bout suares cos he got £50 mill buy out clause so that a no no and ngog is quality he will shine this season i mean the apprentice come up trumps so we did not loose in normal time and look stupid and his goals against bucarest he better than babel
23 Sep 2010 20:06:44
23 Sep 2010 19:01:31
23 Sep 2010 18:36:09
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Konchesky
Meireles Lucas
Gerrard J.Cole Babel
Torres
B.Jones
Carragher
Aurelio
Poulsen
Maxi
Jovanovic
Ngog
It's not f* *king Hard!
sorry mate disagree completly
. . . . . . . . . . . . . REINA. . . . . . . . . . . .
. .KELLY. . CARRAGHER. AGGER. KONCHESKY
. JOHNSON. GERRARD. MEIRELES. COLE
. . . . . . . . KUYT. . . .TORRES. . . . . . .
Agree with you mate. Seriously need to drop 4-2-3-1 and revert back to 4-4-2. Personally I'd like to see Agger and Skrtel together with Carra or Kelly at right back! Totally agree with forward line!
PJ the Red
23 Sep 2010 19:48:47
23 Sep 2010 12:07:53 "Can someone please tell me why Joe Cole doesn't play left wing anymore?"
Because part of him agreeing to sign for us was us promising to play him in a more central role.
How in the world would you know, did you help him sign his name on the dotted line. . common.
23 Sep 2010 19:33:45
23 Sep 2010 19:26:09
Where's is macca today after last night result we need some good news to cheer us up and he's the man with the know how I think. Ed do you think roy was right to give fringe players a go and do you think rafa would have got us through and would he picked gerrard cause all always seem to in those sort of games! Kingplfc
Ps please roy play some pace on the wings please I'm begging you, we can't take anything less than 3pts on saturday! {ed's note - Roy had no choice but to play fringe players, the problem was the senior players that were given the chance never stepped up. It has just shown we have a lot more deadwood to ship out before we can hope to challenge for trophies.}
AGREE ED - LOADS OF DROSS TO GET RID OF OVER THE NEXT YEAR. Plus points though - Shelvey and Kelly. Pacheco and Ecclestone only ok/ indifferent last night but still should be given a chance this season.
23 Sep 2010 19:28:49
23 Sep 2010 19:20:07
Hey guys, does anybody else think Shelvey is an absolute diamond, looks really at home and sharpe, like a young Stevie G. Could be the buy of the century.
Sooty
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To me he looks very classy.
23 Sep 2010 19:27:33
23 Sep 2010 19:20:34
After Christian Purslow in the LFCTV interview said. . . "a good rule of thumb is. . . if you are reading about it, it probably isn't real. Most corporate purchases. . are done in professionalism and confidentiality. . . No running commentary. . don't confuse silence with lack of progress. . ." should those writers at The Times, like Deputy Sports Editor Tony Evans, who were clearly duped by the whole 'Kenny Huang bid' which turned out to be a publicity seeking sham, be considering their positions at the newspaper.
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And this shows that there is some truth in the views of the 'takeover guru' Keith Harris from several weeks ago, who said the likely new owner of Liverpool will be a 'quiet' man, unknown to us and the media/ press.
23 Sep 2010 19:26:09
Where's is macca today after last night result we need some good news to cheer us up and he's the man with the know how I think. Ed do you think roy was right to give fringe players a go and do you think rafa would have got us through and would he picked gerrard cause all always seem to in those sort of games! Kingplfc
Ps please roy play some pace on the wings please I'm begging you, we can't take anything less than 3pts on saturday ! {ed's note - Roy had no choice but to play fringe players, the problem was the senior players that were given the chance never stepped up. It has just shown we have a lot more deadwood to ship out before we can hope to challenge for trophies.}
23 Sep 2010 19:20:34
After Christian Purslow in the LFCTV interview said. . . "a good rule of thumb is. . . if you are reading about it, it probably isn't real. Most corporate purchases. . are done in professionalism and confidentiality. . . No running commentary. . don't confuse silence with lack of progress. . ." should those writers at The Times, like Deputy Sports Editor Tony Evans, who were clearly duped by the whole 'Kenny Huang bid' which turned out to be a publicity seeking sham, be considering their positions at the newspaper.
23 Sep 2010 19:20:07
Hey guys, does anybody else think Shelvey is an absolute diamond, looks really at home and sharpe, like a young Stevie G. Could be the buy of the century.
Sooty
23 Sep 2010 19:12:27
Think some of the posters on here are right about the defence, Skirtel isn't the man for the job, It upsets me to say it but Jamie may be coming to the end of his regular first team run. Danny Agger should be put in, instead of Skirtel. Kelly to come in instead of Johnson who could move to right midfield were he doesn't have to worry about defending and so would start to gain some confidence and fitness. The only man solid in the defence is Koncheski, solid as a rock and gets forward and back with ease, and can put a decent cross in. Think I'd leave Jamie in if Agger is with him as Jamie wouldn't have to cover Agger as much as he would Skirtel. Do u have an opinion Ed. . {ed's note - I am pretty much on the same wavelength as you, Skrtel and Carra certainly do not work as a partnership.}
23 Sep 2010 19:01:40
Unsigned said at 23 Sep 2010 18:24:31:
"All this talk about liverpool going bust. Purslow said Liverpool should have No Fear Of Administration Or Worse! if there is no sugra daddy, and Hicks can't refinance.
Why can't RBS float the shares on the london stock exchange for 800million and make the purchase of the shares obtainable to the fans eg, £100 or less share.
Let the fans ballout the club. float 8'000'000 shares on the marketplace and see what happens. The fans would be willing to pay a higher rate for shares if it raised money for new stadium + cleared the debit.
And RBS walk away with £280m. The shares could be linked to purchase of tickets. Only share holders could purchase tickets.
LFC could be setup as a trust, so no one would own them and the board would be voted in by the fans. (eg share holders)"
Firstly, you cannot be a trust and be floated on the stock market. Secondly, you cannot float a company for any amount that you like – a valuation has to be agreed. And the problem with a floatation of Liverpool is the value of the club. It has been pointed out before that this option would already have been considered by Hicks and Gillett. It is certainly not something that RBS could or would do. It would take about a year to arrange and the problems would still remain about how to pay for a new stadium and how to pay for any new players. Effectively the club would need to pay for those matters from profits or borrow. As soon as money was borrowed to pay for the stadium, the effective value of the stock holders' shares falls - but it would obviously come back over time. You would also find that large institutions would own the bulk of the shares and they will be against any borrowing that cannot be repaid in the short-term.
So possibly a viable option for the owners – if they plan on being around for a while, but nothing that would help the club in the short or medium term.
Sharkey.
23 Sep 2010 19:01:31
23 Sep 2010 18:36:09
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Konchesky
Meireles Lucas
Gerrard J.Cole Babel
Torres
B.Jones
Carragher
Aurelio
Poulsen
Maxi
Jovanovic
Ngog
It's not f* *king Hard!
sorry mate disagree completly
. . . . . . . . . . . . . REINA. . . . . . . . . . . .
. .KELLY. . CARRAGHER. AGGER. KONCHESKY
. JOHNSON. GERRARD. MEIRELES. COLE
. . . . . . . . KUYT. . . .TORRES. . . . . . .
23 Sep 2010 18:47:31
. . a few thoughts on last nights performance. Outside of the obvious disappointment and frustration there are certain points that should be raised for discussion.
I was not overly optimistic over Hodgson's appointment. . not anti him. .simply put it didn't excite me.We were used to often unfathomable selections, bizarre formations etc & stubbonness under Rafa. .and this seems to have continued under Hodgson.
As a fan and defender of Ryan Babel. . his performance was poor last night. .albeit the supply was limited there did not seem to be any spark or invention to his play. Hodgson's decision to play him through the middle is a fair one. .long over due however that has to take into account the other players available & selected. The decision to play Pacheco for the majority of the game on the right of midfield beggars belief. The lad was not able to stretch the Northampton defence or beat a man on the outside with pace. . surely a better option would have been for Babel & Pacheco to interchange. .? There seemed to be little invention or adaptibility from the players or more importantly from the bench. .we had a floored plan "A" but little else.
N'Gog is simply not good enough or physically strong enough. the fact that we have no viable back up to Torres is a source of frustration.
The main disappointment for me at least last night was the inability of our "bigger" players in the midfield to put any kind of a mark on the game or to even "run" the match. I do not hold that Lucas is the root of all of our problems. He had a decent season last year and was one of our better players in an admittedly mediocre season. .he is, at his best, a 7/ 10 type of player no more. To see a full Brazilian international outshone, outpassed & outfought by players from 3 divisions below was nothing short of a disgrace. Their was no sense of leadership or responsibility going forward. It would have been nice to see David Amoo play on the right side (his natural position) than Pacheco. .but then Amoo doesn't want to leave so there is no need to let that affect selection thinking.
The only positives of the night were the 3 young subs Thomas Ince, Nathan Ecclestone (hope the penalty miss doesn't affect him too negatively) & the excellent Jonjo Shelvey. Shelvey gave a passionate and high tempo performance. . looked like he wanted to be there. .looked like he wanted to win. He even managed to put some decent dead balls in. Some of the more senior pros should be extremely embarrased about their efforts in comparison.
1-11 with everyone fit. .we are competative. .the lack of any depth particularly in wide and attacking positions has to be a worry.
I am finding that I have little hope in my heart at present. . .
Mr Greedy
23 Sep 2010 18:44:13
Three representatives from LFC seen at Capital Club in DIFC; the financial district of Dubai. Sorry no idea who they were meeting. Source is a friend.
23 Sep 2010 18:36:36
Tbh i didn't have the stomach for the papers today, how bad were they. firstly we didn't score own goals last night so maybe well done northampton.
should roy go, i'll put my neck on the line and say no.
now last night was absolutely not our night. i for one will not give up, and i'm sure none of you will. bring on sunderland.
a good point was made earlier about how much money have chelski and man city paid, and they are in the same situation as us, out of the cup. but in my opinion we had the easiest tie of the round and we sliped up bad.
now who is to blame:
1. we should have been far more attacking
2. the greek has got to go, people have compared him and carragher don't make me laugh, now i have said we should try droping carra from first team, but last night he would have been perfect as young wilson said he is a great teacher and he would have really helped him and kelly.
hope this post atleast causes a little arguement lol
always a red
23 Sep 2010 18:36:09
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Konchesky
Meireles Lucas
Gerrard J.Cole Babel
Torres
B.Jones
Carragher
Aurelio
Poulsen
Maxi
Jovanovic
Ngog
It's not f* *king Hard!
23 Sep 2010 18:34:49
MAN UTD: 2009: manchester united: Glazer family raised £500million points through a bonds issue.
Over 50 low-risk investors, mainly pension-fund providers and insurers, are behind the money and they will be paid a fixed annual interest of 9 per cent with the payments being made every quarter by Manchester United
And Man utd where reported to owe £509 million to international banks for the financial year ending June 2009.
Why didn't LFC do the same thing?
{Editor's Note: May be an option for building the stadium in the future.}
23 Sep 2010 18:28:20
Just out of interest, what channel was the Liverpool match broadcast last night? All I could see was the United match, I had to listen to the penalties on skysports news!
LFC TV - WHOLE MATCH FROM 10.30 LAST NIGHT
23 Sep 2010 18:25:11
23 Sep 2010 17:01:58
Look lads I love Liverpool as much as the next guy but do yous not think Carragher is a liability now! Ive being sayin this for 2 years now!He has no pace makes dodgy decisions and he played terrible against the scum last week! Get Kelly in there he is a good prospect!
I AM NOT PREPARED TO WRITE OFF CARRAGHER YET. WE HAVE RELIED ON HIM SO MUCH OVER THE YEARS. OBVIOUSLY HE IS GETTING OLDER AND HAS LOST SOME PACE, BUT OTHER DEFENDERS NEED TO STEP UP.
I AGREE KELLY LOOKS GOOD. HE SEEMS TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN HIS OWN ABILITY AND KNOWS WHAT TO DO, WHEN TO DO IT AND TO DO IT WELL (JUST LIKE SHELVEY). HE DOESN'T SEEM TOTALLY OVERWHELMED LIKE SOME YOUNGSTERS.
23 Sep 2010 18:24:31
All this talk about liverpool going bust. Purslow said Liverpool should have No Fear Of Administration Or Worse! if there is no sugra daddy, and Hicks can't refinance.
Why can't RBS float the shares on the london stock exchange for 800million and make the purchase of the shares obtainable to the fans eg, £100 or less share.
Let the fans ballout the club. float 8'000'000 shares on the marketplace and see what happens. The fans would be willing to pay a higher rate for shares if it raised money for new stadium + cleared the debit.
And RBS walk away with £280m. The shares could be linked to purchase of tickets. Only share holders could purchase tickets.
LFC could be setup as a trust, so no one would own them and the board would be voted in by the fans. (eg share holders)
23 Sep 2010 18:18:46
23 Sep 2010 12:55:31
My run down
JONES. didn't look safe last night can see him lasting a season at most
KELLY. brilliant double save should be are rightback now
WILSON. didn't have a clue out of position at leftback but improved when pushed inside more
AGGER. at times looked the most likely to make something happen
KYRIAGOS. threat at set pieces but want be here next season
'JOVANAVIC. early goal but dropped out too early and never made any thing happen down left
PACHECO . come on roy never a right sided player should have started behind ngog plenty of effort tho
SPEARING. never gave up and should have position ahead of poulson
LUCAS. again kept battling but never really looked like getting anything moveing
NGOG. for a guy on form had no confidence should be grabing his chance but not happening
BABLE. the guy really does not want to be here terrible performance should not play again and be kicked out in january'
- Just out of interest, what channel was the Liverpool match broadcast last night? All I could see was the United match, I had to listen to the penalties on skysports news!
23 Sep 2010 18:08:23
Some people keep saying give hodgson time well can you please tell me how much time do you give a bloke who will be 64 next birthday.
23 Sep 2010 18:07:46
'23 Sep 2010 12:07:53 "Can someone please tell me why Joe Cole doesn't play left wing anymore?"
Because part of him agreeing to sign for us was us promising to play him in a more central role.'
- Thanks, I thought he liked playing on the left. It's a shame because we're in need of a good left midfielder.
23 Sep 2010 18:00:47
Just raising a point, not sure if anyone agrees but a big part of the huge advantage liverpool have had at anfield is the crowd involvement. i must say i think the crowd hasnt been as influencial this season as past seasons, the anfield games ive been to just havent had the same atmosphere. and a half full stadium for the europa game was a disgrace really, so maybe for us fans that are lucky enough to attend games we could quit complaining and yell that little bit louder to help the boys get over the line and give them any advantage we can, make them regain that pride that comes with playing for liverpool
23 Sep 2010 17:55:15
Im a liverpool supporter and i hate hicks and gillet and that's a word i don't use much honestly i do.
23 Sep 2010 17:25:34
To :
23 Sep 2010 07:36:38
To Toby,
Nice idea but there are a few problems with it. Firstly, LFC shares are not publically traded so we could not buy them unless the sellers wanted to sell to us. It takes two to tango. IF they would not sell to us there would be an account with loads of readies in belonging to the global LFC fans. . they might want it back which would be difficult to sort out I think. I would suggest that we buy ManU instead and sack SAF, sell rooney etc and buy the Northamton team. Then let's see them get that 19th title from division two.
Finally, on the bank idea why not just set it up as a Ltd company fronted by a few ex players to give it creability and do it through RBS. Shows RBS the depth of feeling and they get some interest as well?
Yea not much joy at the bank either, first you have to see a business mgr and if they think your plan is creditable they put you forward to the Corporate side I think by then we would either be sold Or the Yanks would of refinanced. So sorry guys, you didn't leave your name but cheers any way you seem a lot wiser than my self on such matters, live long and prosper. . . YNWA
Tobey
23 Sep 2010 17:14:00
23 Sep 2010 16:51:25
Just to support what Chris and the Ed have been telling you fantasy fans about sugar daddy sheiks:- Dubai International Capital (DIC), which is the investment arm of Dubai Holding, a conglomerate owned by the ruler, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rasid al Maktoum, announced it has secured agreement with its six lending banks to push back the repayment of the debt from June until September. I hate to think what will happen if DIC does an H&G and defaults. .DIC is EXACTLY the same as LFC. Has no money to invest because it's too busy paying off its debts. MikeG
I AGREE. BUT I THINK SOME POSTERS ON THIS SITE SEEM TO BE SUGGESTING THAT SHEIKH MOHAMMED WOULD ATTEMPT TO BUY LIVERPOOL ON HIS OWN. I.E NOT USING THE DIC ROUTE.
23 Sep 2010 16:56:48
In reply to Hoola again
I agree with everything you said there mate.
23 Sep 2010 16:51:25
Just to support what Chris and the Ed have been telling you fantasy fans about sugar daddy sheiks:- Dubai International Capital (DIC), which is the investment arm of Dubai Holding, a conglomerate owned by the ruler, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rasid al Maktoum, announced it has secured agreement with its six lending banks to push back the repayment of the debt from June until September. I hate to think what will happen if DIC does an H&G and defaults. .DIC is EXACTLY the same as LFC. Has no money to invest because it's too busy paying off its debts. MikeG
23 Sep 2010 16:47:17
I was in a Championship boardroom a few years ago after the home club lost heavily to average opposition from a lower league. The chairman was relaxed and said to me, "Never get excited nor make any decisions on the spot. Leave it 24 hours and see how it looks when things are calmer."
Well I have always remembered that and now I can comment without anger or frustration on last night's performance.
1. It seems strange that although Chelsea (spent £725million on players since Roman arrived) and Manchester City (God, what have they thrown around in terms of cash!) lost last night, our performance was deemed enough to make the headlines.
2. We should have won the game if we believe that the players we have spent money on - Babel, Lucas, Jovanovic, Wilson and Agger - are first team squad players and strong enough.
3. Babel is not the player we bought for £11million. He has had nhis chances. No complaints, no more chances, just show him the door.
4. Lucas is a bench-warmer and not a starter.
5. Eccleston has pace and aggression - why are we using him with just 20 minutes of a game left? Is he any worse than Babel or Ngog?
6. Shelvey - nice touches. He's the future but Roy Hodgson does not seem to have the faith in him. We paid Charlton big money for him and pulled him away from a first-team place. How must he be feeling now?
7. Too many people have savaged the manager this morning - he does need time, but think and digest point 8 s_l_o_w_l_y and carefully.
8. It is no good writing off the season or the League Cup and THEN saying Roy needs time to get his way of working right and in operation. Consider this - we lose Roy becuase he is sacked or leaves, a new manager comes in . . . . that new manager says he needs time and before you know it, another 18 months have passed by! We are like the top-ups from the mobile phone operators - "We are always 3 minutes away from the Lower Rate . . or in our case, ever winning anything!"
9. We will lose Torres and maybe Gerrard AND Agger if we persist with these poor performances. We have to accept that. We are not a one or two man club . .BUT! ! . . if we are to lose the icons, then don't throw away the futures (Shelvey, Ince, Pachecho, Eccleston, Amoo and so on) by persisting with the poor players (Babel, Spearing, Aurelio) and leaving the future players frustrated on the bench.
10. To continue and finish with the mobile phone analogies - "the future is not bright, it isn't orange, but we are heading for the doldrums and we have to hold our nerve."
{Editor's Note: Chelsea's spending on players since Roman arrived is nowhere near the £725M you quote - it is something in the order of £450M or so.}
23 Sep 2010 16:14:25
Problem with this "stop spending money at LFC" is that the club would certainly end up going bust! I know we "the fans" are caught between a rock and a hard place but we need to keep supporting LFC in every way we can and put our trust and faith in CP who I believe has LFC best interests at heart.
Like CP said in his interview they are just meeting the bank payments now!
By working together the SCUM will be gone soon enough!
PJ the Red
23 Sep 2010 15:59:32
I have to say carling cup was not our priority so lets bounce back and beat sunderland, although i do feel torres should of played last night
on the other hand we still should not be losing to bloody northampton!
west midlander red
23 Sep 2010 15:57:29
Take a look at today's Echo, Worcester City and all that. It's a fair point to say the club has hit rock bottom and the malaise is deep. We fans must stick together.
RH needs to be brave, change the formula eg Johnson Right Mid and get on the offensive. Wish I had an answer for the centre of defence, it's been all over the place in nearly every game this season.
Shelvey oozes class and finds a pass, get him in!
23 Sep 2010 15:57:28
23 Sep 2010 08:46:01
Irish Rover, YNWA, The Turdz, Ken Dodd, Stan Boardman, Bobby Grant, Sheila Grant, Barry Grant, The Ugly one from the spice Girls, Keith Chegwin. Your boys took one hell of a beating last night. In Woy We Twust. RAINFISHTROMBONE
LOL, Rainfish! Very good. You'll not get any arguement from me! F##KING SHOCKING!
The Irish Rover
23 Sep 2010 15:46:21
Hodgson apologises after Cup humiliation
23 Sep 2010 15:39:54
Unless you have shares in the club its not OURS club
Spirit of Shankly
stop spending money at lfc
23 Sep 2010 15:39:10
It's not bad luck that we are where we are in the league or that we've already been knocked out of our 1st cup competition - we are a very poor side at the moment.
After every game we play lately some-one comes out and says "we'll put it right on the next game" and when the next game comes along, we lack creativity, imagination, cut or thrust, just on the back foot against every team we play.
Something is very very wrong that's for sure.
I want to be believe, but if any other team was playing like we are now, I'd say it like it is, and that is. .we're sh1t!
23 Sep 2010 15:37:31
"My personal opinion of this takeover saga is that there are few potential buyers and they believe they can drive the price down by waiting until the RBS loan is up for renewal, or even later. Hicks is desperately trying to get new financing to keep the price up as he could face being cleaned out otherwise.
I think the club will be sold shortly before (if there are a few bidders) or after (if there are only one or two bidders) the RBS deal is up."
I fully agree, the moment when the RBS deal is up is when H&Gs hand should be weakened even more - hence Hicks current desperate search to extend the finance. I cannot believe any serious buyer in a multi-hundred £m deal would commit to a price without waiting until the october deadline when they (the buyer) may have a much stronger hand. What you would expect is that they would try to get on the table, do the due diligence, and be ready with a formal offer when the October deadline arrives. Funnily enough, just what CH said is going on at the moment. .
23 Sep 2010 15:32:40
I think we need a new song, something in the vein of 'Pass and move, it's the Liverpool Groove'.
That should sort our problems right out. I'm seeing John Barnes rapping, I'm seeing Ryan Babel doing whatever it is he does, I'm seeing Roy dad dancing.
May be our only chance of a number 1 spot this year.
23 Sep 2010 15:26:54
Johnson would be s* t at right mid coz he can't play side on or with his back to play. He needs the whole view of the pitch an players when going forward to be effective. Unfortunately he can't defend. We have bought a dud. Wish there was another Finnan about or even Arbeloa.
23 Sep 2010 15:23:55
Also agree we aint got no decent wingers and to be honest Johnson is shocking defecively and looks much more comfortabe in attacking half. Look at what Spurs have done with Bale he was the same, great going forward but kept getting caught to far up the pitch so they stuck him left midfield and now looks like one if not the best wide players in the prem. So lets see what Johnson can do in a more attacking role he can't be any worse than Maxi Babel or Kuyt who really don't give us anything in the wide right position. Johnson is quick has a good left foot as well as right loves to run at his man (only to cut inside most the time but this can be worked on) and still young. Let kelly do the work behind him and offer the option to cross from deep. Also with Kelly at the back it will also give us a some more much needed height at the back cause time and time again we are proving to be shocking at defending set peices!
23 Sep 2010 15:19:52
To the person who wrote this:
Hoola
I posted the origonal post - and I agree with what you said - Good post mate. In think it would of been great for the younger players to play in this comp and would of been fantastic for development. Howerver had torres or gerrard come on and broke there leg It would of been devastaing. I am suprised Shelvey didin't start the match myself I think he looks very promising but in a kind of way im glad he didin't. I don't think Lucas is good enough for our team at the moment he certainly can't play the traditional centre midfield posistion, last night he should of run the show but he didin't. If last night showed to Roy this last night then i am happy. Again I agree with what you say but we havent got a strong enough squad to cope with Gerrard and Torres getting injured and they are never going to be risked and unfortunately that is costly to our youth. Were caught between a rock and hard place at the moment
I hear what your saying mate; personally I think its not just this season we've suffered but last year as well (no sh1t there! ;o) ); both seasons have seen us struggle for a lack of creativity both in the middle of the park and on the wings; thus not creating goal scoring opportunities.
Remember a few seasons ago before torres where we were getting 25 shots at goal but not scoring enough goals - how i'd like us to be in that position again (but with the goals).
I thought Shelvey might get a run out (he's looked good when i've seen him play) but I can understand why he played spearing (if spearing doesn't play enough this season then at his age he's going to have to move - same probably applies for Darby as Kelly is ahead of him now).
I just hope that Roy has a look at some of the youngsters and thinks if they aren't going to play much then get them some first team action on loan (Daniel Ayala has looked Hull's best player since he's been there - 3 games) at least that way they get experience.
I just hope that we get sell some of the worst performers and add a bit better quality in January (to be fair Meireles at least wants the ball then passes and moves which some of our other players seem to have forgotten how to).
Hoola
23 Sep 2010 15:17:53
Everyone in football knows that spending + wages has never matched up with revenues and assets. The agents and players bleed the club dry with high wage ratios.
The great thing about players; is that the account can make up these magical numbers about how much they are worth such as Torres 100m, Gerrard 60m lol. under administration, these players would be worth nothing more than someone would pay for them. Football clubs like liverpool lose money on players. millions off the orginal ourchase price.
Some people feel that football is underdeveloped on a world wide platform. The thruth is, we will see nationalisation and companies will have to exist within borders and liverpool do not have 150million fans world wide. That was a lie made up by some marketing man.
The Truth is our fanbase is no more than 45'000 seats at anfield because they pay everyone. The Truth is that liverpool are 60% over on wage spending. Without the champion league money, the club can't pay its players.
The gap between c-l and premiership is so huge, it is worrying when a EPL team falls from grace.
23 Sep 2010 15:13:44
All the people that say ryan babel should be giving a run of games well i totally disagree i think hes been giving plenty of chances as a player against storng and weak opposition and failed everytime he maybe looks apart but that's about it we need to forget about trying to nurse the so called players with potential at the moment and stick with the players that give 150 percent each game not the dummy spitters i could name more players, the liverpool teams that i remember play for 90 + min and give eveything for the shirt where has the passion gone that shankly put into our great club wake reds from this slumber you have found yourselves in we are liverpool we are the most succsesful club in british football we supporters are very hurt with whats going on but will support you all the way all we ask is commitment nothing less it makes me angry to see players that pull on that red shirt and not give it there all oh how i wish i could have wore that liverbird on my chest i would have run myself into the ground everytime i wore that red jersey please liverpool wake up its destroying us supporters enough is enough.
23 Sep 2010 15:06:33
Ok sharkey il hold my hands up to that, i can't go on record to say he defaulted every loan he's had, but his buisness history suggests that every sporting institution he has dipped his finger in has, or nearly has gone bust.
with corinthians he had to resign from the board following financial issues, at texas rangers they went bust, the dallas stars were close to going bust and our beloved club, well i don't need to outline any issues which we have. . .
if i were the banks i wouldn't piss on his eyebrows if they were on fire, nevermind give the * * cold hard cash. . .
db9
{Editor's Note: He has made no secret of his desire to get out of the sporting business - which is good for the club.}
just to add to that ed, i don't believe he has sought re-financing, i was merely suggesting that if he did, he'd be refused point blank. .that was emulated by purslow yesterday, because for him to go on record and say "I can't speak for the owners but I am absolutely sure that both of them are totally committed to trying to sell the club as soon as possible. They haven't had an offer yet that they like and so I suspect that both of them individually and collectively are pursuing their other alternatives and that's their prerogative."
then going on to say 10. Can the owners refinance the debt against the club's assets - whether that's our players, stadium or training ground?
"That would require Board approval and the other members of the Board have made it clear that's not what we want to see happen."
So that's unlikely?
"Very unlikely."
it would absoulutely ruin his career if hicks was to re-finance, although he didn't give a straight 'no'. .it was as good as. . .
db9
23 Sep 2010 15:03:02
"I honestly see LFC as a championship team Fitting to make the play-offs , , sad and gutted!"
Behave yourself will you? Last night was awful but no worse than being torn apart by Bolton and Bristol City in the mid 90's when they were in the old 3rd division. I get an awful feeling that the glory days may have passed for a long while but we're certainly not relegation fodder. We may just have to get used to top 6 finishes as being an achievement and the occasional cup run. No dynasty in football has lasted for ever. How long were the Scum in the doldrums for from 1968?
23 Sep 2010 14:54:27
David Moyes Has Quit Everton? – Everton Manager Rumour
Published on September 23, 2010 · No Comments
After a dismal defeat at the hands of Brentford, there are rumours this morning that David Moyes has decided to leave Everton feeling he cannot take the club any further.
23 Sep 2010 14:51:00
The potential buyers are waiting to see whether they can pick up a bargain from RBS. But the problem seems to be a concern that if the loans are defaulted and RBS (being the largest crditor) takes control, it might be seen that the club is bust and has technically gone into administration. Being a Spurs fan, I shouldn't give a toss but it is such a fascinating lesson in how NOT to run a football club and there's a kind of morbid fascination in watching you scousers suffering the way Spurs fans have. .About Administration. .
Kop Football (Holdings) Ltd. (KFHL) is a UK holding company which owns 100% of Kop Football Ltd (KFL), which in turn owns Liverpool Football Club and Athletic Grounds Ltd (LFC)
It is a wholly owned subsidiary of Kop Football (Cayman) Ltd.
The accounts of KFHL are consolidated, ie they are formed of:
- Kop Football (Holdings) Ltd
- Kop Football Ltd
- Liverpool Football Club and Athletic Grounds Ltd
- Liverpool FC.TV Ltd, of which 50% was acquired during the year thus making it a wholly-owned subsidiary
Pete Farrely (Liverpool TV) wrote a year ago:-
KFHL's liabilities exceed its assets and it is thus technically insolvent under the UK Insolvency Act 1986, Section 123, which reads:
123. Definition of inability to pay debts.
(2) A company is also deemed unable to pay its debts if it is proved to the satisfaction of the court that the value of the company's assets is less than the amount of its liabilities, taking into account its contingent and prospective liabilities.
Well, things haven't got any better. Against which the technical insolvency has been mitigated by financial transactions that propped things up. But with the clock ticking and no sign of refinancing. ?
Purslow stated yesterday that the club could pay its way "just about". For your sakes I hope he was right.
The BBC says RBS wants to own LFC as much as Superman wants Kryponite. The PR disaster if they forced LFC into administration would be a disaster. .but it wouldn't be their fault. MikeG
23 Sep 2010 14:50:05
To those who are saying Roy "will get it right, he just needs more time", well. .here's Senor Cazorla's message to you:By the time Roy's done, Liverpool will be done. .if you get me drift.
Gracias,
Lombardi Cazorla
23 Sep 2010 14:47:32
Ed what are your player ratings from last night
{Ed's Note: I am sorry but do not have the time to review the performance.}
23 Sep 2010 14:39:22
I Love King Hedgehog Hodson. The man is king at anfield and lets all sit and wotch the kop burn.
How do i talk to him, like a child. He has great cards. Should he say he say sorry to the fans
23 Sep 2010 14:33:25
Just heard Bin Larden wants to buy the club. He's found a group of people who are more militant than he is.
God save Hicks
23 Sep 2010 13:57:30
Tell me something Mr ed how we the supporters can beleave Mr purslow what he said about the club? how they can persuade our world class players to beleave the things are going well for the club how they beleave them the ( board ) this is why the players aren't playing well they don't have there mind on the game they don't play as team anymore . every single one is playing for him self they lost confidence they lost there touch on the ball .the board must do something seriously not speeking like polititions we're going to this & that & nothing is happyning .we have waited for a long time now all these years that have been past us the supporters were saying man u waited for 26 years to take titles back to there home & now this record is going to be braking down by our loved club this is hurting us mate you nkow you live there you have to do something mate we're abraod we can't do nothing just support you as ever Y.N.W.A ( MALTA ) {ed's note - to be honest, I don't know how we can be expected to trust any of the board right now, but I don't think we have much choice.}
23 Sep 2010 13:46:24
22 Sep 2010 22:39:15
Roy out when new owners takeover - owners to bring in their own man with the lure of cash to spend.
Trust me its true
I think its probable Hodgson knew this when he took the job. But he has always wanted to manage Liverpool. He probably will become the next England manager and could possibly have a clause written into his contract allowing release from Liverpool if the FA want him to replace Capello.
Yes, the past few weeks have been 'difficult' in terms of results and league position but I believe Hodgson to be a genuinely decent man, who along with the team are been strangled by the talk surrounding off field takeover activities.
23 Sep 2010 13:37:48
DIC is not he avenue that Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum will use to make an offer for Liverpool. DIC is finshed because it was badly hit by the financial and property crash of 2008. The Sheikh will do so using his huge personal wealth of over 18bn pounds.
23 Sep 2010 13:25:35
Purslow stated there are few interested parties in taking over the club. Can we speculate on who they may be. We can rule out the Chinese bid and the Kirdi bid. Would Sheik Mohamad (with his own personal wealth not DIC) and the Kalifa family be two of the interested parties. Are there other possibilites. ID be interested in the Eds views and everyones elses for that matter.
Mom
23 Sep 2010 12:58:54
Db9 spoke of Tom Hicks at 23 Sep 2010 09:56:03:
". . .he has defaulted on every loan he ever had. . . i think the term is blacklisted"
Could you provide something to substantiate this statement?
Sharkey.
23 Sep 2010 12:56:44
Hoola
I posted the origonal post - and I agree with what you said - Good post mate. In think it would of been great for the younger players to play in this comp and would of been fantastic for development. Howerver had torres or gerrard come on and broke there leg It would of been devastaing. I am suprised Shelvey didin't start the match myself I think he looks very promising but in a kind of way im glad he didin't. I don't think Lucas is good enough for our team at the moment he certainly can't play the traditional centre midfield posistion, last night he should of run the show but he didin't. If last night showed to Roy this last night then i am happy. Again I agree with what you say but we havent got a strong enough squad to cope with Gerrard and Torres getting injured and they are never going to be risked and unfortunately that is costly to our youth. Were caught between a rock and hard place at the moment
23 Sep 2010 12:55:54
-"Roy signals a new era for Liverpool"
-"Roy is the sort of appointment that Liverpool needed"
-"Roy has done pretty well in his transfer dealings"
-"Roy has done well to get the best out of this squad that was drained of every ounce of confidence"
-"Roy will play players in their natural positions"
-"We have a good team.I wouldn't like to see more additions"-(you editor, remember. .throughout the summer)
-"Give Roy some time"
-"Blame Benitez, not Roy. .it's he who bought this dross)
-"This is all Rafa's legacy.There's nothing Roy can do"-(you again, editor)
-"Roy should go, Now!I've had enough of this s* t"
-"Roy is out of his depth.Fire him now"
-"Oh God!Hodgson will take us straight down to the Championship"
Lol!It all amounts to a really big, obese joke. .fatter that Hicks' left buttock.I'm sorry;I can't help but laugh me lungs out.
My advice:stop calling for Hodgson's head, we stuck with him.He's not going anywhere (which really riles me.I didn't want the bloke in the first place).Instead, hope for the best but prepare yourselves for the worst.That way you won't break any glasses and windows in you houses.
LORD HAVE MERCY UPON US THAT THE FAT TEXAN IS BOOTED INTO TOUCH ASAP
Gracias,
Lombardi Cazorla
23 Sep 2010 12:45:48
Its just gone half 12 and one of the shum has just took the piss out of last night. .thank god for that. .the suns coming out . i feel at one with the world now. .COME ON REDMEN LETS t* t THE MACKEMS! SMF
23 Sep 2010 12:44:31
Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum
As the Prime Minister of the United Arab Emirates, the ruler of Dubai and one of the world's richest men, the Sheikh is, it would be fair to say, a powerful individual. He was not 100 per cent behind DIC's original bid to buy Liverpool and was instrumental in pulling the plug on the deal, but this time, critically, he is said to be 100 per cent committed to the new bid.
Priority
To add England's most successful football club to DIC's impressive portfolio. THIS ONE 2 . .YNWA
{Editor's Note: You seem to be copying some ancient news source. DIC are not involved with any bid for Liverpool.}
firstly, the above poster is not 'in the know' about DIC and sheikh mo! so although its great to speculate please don't start suggesting you know he is 100% behind the bid.
Secondly, the editor needs to stop being so dismissive, how do you know DIC are not involved? Exactly, you dont! nobody knows who is and isn't involved in the bidding process or who might bid for the club, therefore please don't act like the big man and put posters down.
{Editor's Note: You miss the point. This poster is extracting this information from an article written by Ollie Kay and published in the Times Online on March 5, 2008. DIC are not financially in a position to bid for Liverpool.}
23 Sep 2010 12:40:45
To the guy that has no faith in kelly and spearing either your a man utd w* * r on the wrong site or have as much football knowledge as my aunt rose .
23 Sep 2010 12:28:17
To the person who wrote this:
Am I the only one whos glad were out the carling cup. Dont get me wrong, i think its nice to win anything but at this difficult time I think its a distraction liverpool could do with out, we havent got a squad big enough or strong enought to cope on all fronts. The league is the most important and then the FA Cup. I obviously want to do Europa aswell but It might be a stretch to far. Id rather fall at the first hurdle in carling and Europa and qualify for champions league then win the Europa and/ or carling and not qualify for champs league. If we get taken over in Jan we need to be able to maximise any spending power we may have with the lure of chammpions league football. City signed alot of players this year but id bet they would of got a few more with lure of the champions league.
Personally I completely disagree with you; playing a number of competive games for the younger players is paramount to their development. It gives them the opportunity to play first team football and a claim to feature more regularly if they perform well.
In my opinion the 11 we put out last night should've been able to win the game but I was surprised that the bench didn't include any players capable of turning the match (not that we appear to have many of those at the moment); I remember chuckling to myself that it looked like Manure where going out of the cup a few seasons ago only for them to bring Ronaldo and Rooney on and scrape through.
Which means in my opinion Roy needs to take a bit more responsibility for his selection; bringing on inexperienced players to change a game can put more pressure on them rather than giving them the experience.
maybe the club couldn't afford the squad bonuses if we'ed gone through / won the cup. You look at the teams that went out last 2 nights and we may've been able to win this or at least give some of the younger players more experience.
Hoola
23 Sep 2010 12:28:06
Im sick of everyone i speak 2 saying we
lost last night because we played to many
kids. the so called kids that played last night
were by far the best players for us. apart from the
3 or 4 kids that played the rest of the team were so called first teamers what the hell does that say for our first team we are becoming the laughing stock
of the premier league. another thing that worries me now is how are these kids going 2 get any better when we can't play them now.
23 Sep 2010 12:19:46
Don't worry, chaps, uncle "good ol'" Roy will steady the ship.Afterall, he's got wealths of experience in the Prem and thrives on threadbare budgets, not so.He's a born man-manager;he know how to engage the players. .he's polite, humble and doesn't throw his toys out of the pram. .like that fat Spanish waiter.
He advocates attacking football of the highest quality;Laporta and Perez are kicking themselves for not having acquired this solitary total football proponent that is Hodgson.Man he's brilliant.
Did you see how he's outwitted and outmanoeuvred Wenger, Mancini, Fergiscum, Mcleish and the many other of his counterparts?Saw how we comprehensively dismantled Northampton lask night.
Man, we playing the best football ever under Hodgson, even Shanks and Pais would be proud.
Roy's the dog's rollocks. .the best thing to have happened to us in living memory.
Wow, wow, wow, wow!This spirit's h*cking rollacksing.I've never consumed this stuff before.I should buy more bottles from onwards.Now I know why same people having been sayin' what they've been sayin' abt we clube and we new chief.
Lombardi Cazorla
23 Sep 2010 12:09:38
Am I the only one whos glad were out the carling cup. Dont get me wrong, i think its nice to win anything but at this difficult time I think its a distraction liverpool could do with out, we havent got a squad big enough or strong enought to cope on all fronts. The league is the most important and then the FA Cup. I obviously want to do Europa aswell but It might be a stretch to far. Id rather fall at the first hurdle in carling and Europa and qualify for champions league then win the Europa and/ or carling and not qualify for champs league. If we get taken over in Jan we need to be able to maximise any spending power we may have with the lure of chammpions league football. City signed alot of players this year but id bet they would of got a few more with lure of the champions league.
23 Sep 2010 11:56:59
All this stuff about kelly.good player, should be in the first team.Bulls* t, he has a first touch like a ******, wouldnt turn in a car park.no faith in this guy at all.Spearing not good enough either.
23 Sep 2010 11:46:49
People have short memories. We have been here before plenty of times.
Anyone remember Bristol City beating us 2-0 at Anfield? I do. THAT WAS FAR WORSE THAN LAST NIGHT!
Anyway the point is, it happened. We will beat Sunderland in the next match.
We are stuck with what we've got. Now we get to see if the Manager has any cahooners.
Mild Mannered.
23 Sep 2010 11:46:43
RyanBabel No excuses for last nite . We weren't good enough.
And I #failed personally . Haven't lost faith, so I keep working.
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23 Sep 2010 11:40:24
The time for standing behind the club is getting more and more embarrassing. How long more can the fans stand behind a club with average players and a very average manager . Roy had enough time to evaluate the squad before last night and enough time to purchase the right players. There is no excuse.
23 Sep 2010 11:33:27
The following is bourne out of pure frustration and angst . . . After watching EVERY game this season, yes I had the misfortune of watching last nights game as well, I am convinced of one thing - we really don't need a new stadium to increase capacity.
All we need to do is put seating either side of the 18 yard boxes (penalty boxes) because lets face it we NEVER use that part of the pitch in open play . . what an inept, (perhaps I should've said inert instead) attacking force we have . .width? what the hell is that!
Carrying on from that re width, and I'll admit I don't know how Roy wants him to play but does Jovanovic know what the touch line looks like? I doubt it because he is never ever near it, he's always about 10 metres infield and running further infield.
I won't carry on with a tirade of derogatory abuse re certain other "players" impersonating footballers, who strolled around the pitch last night as I'm sure we all know who they are and their very, very suspect performances were in keeping with their actual ability!
How apt was it we were knocked out of the cup by a team who's nickname is - The COBBLER'S, because that is what we were - COBBLER'S! good luck to Ian Sampson and his boys, in truth it would have been a absolute travesty had we beaten you on penalties!
23 Sep 2010 11:32:08
4th in the Prem by the end of May. I really doubt that very much, every team in the league is better than Northampton. We will however hit a run as usual to cover the cracks for a while at least. It was a weakened team last night, but our 1st team isn't much better. Reina is down hearted, Johnson can't defend, Carragher is too slow but at least he is committed, Skrtel gives away too many free kicks, Konchesky is average, Kuyt is too slow but committed, Gerrard should play better now he has a few goals under his belt, Meireles needs time to gel, Jovanovic average, Cole good but injury prone, Torres amazing injury prone. The subs are not worth mentioning. Our young players on the other hand are. Kelly should be the new Carragher, Shelvey, Pacheco & Amoo are special talents. Ince & Eccleston might be something special too.
Scouse Pride
23 Sep 2010 11:25:28
Some of those young players ran their hearts out last night. Pacheco was played way out of position but still put a monumental physical effort in. Shelvey looked good. Lucas showed leadership (! ) and was really lashing certain players for biffing around.
Babel. Well son, you complained you were never given game time. You get game time and you are either erratic or as last night just idle. It's hard to be idle for that long but you managed it. Shanme cos I really rated you when we got you but a phrase containing horse, flogging and dead spring to mind
Jovanovic. No stamina. Started brightly, scored, and from about 30 minutes onwards looked like he hadn't slept for a week.
RED LENIN
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23 Sep 2010 11:04:43
I have said for weeks and weeks on here that the last thing we needed to do is make numerous changes just to keep players happy. We have now reached a crisis point where both "Teams" we play are performing badly, we have no confidence and are very quickly going to be dropping out of contention for 4th place. Why is he not keeping the same team to get some continuity and confidence going? only then should he make changes.
The boys were terrible last night but to be honest we have not been much better at any point since he took charge. He has to sort it out now or we have had it.!
23 Sep 2010 10:55:13
Can some body help me out here if tom hicks is to get re finance then how
his credit rating must be so low as he has had some serious money troubles with his sports teams in usa
so who the hell would bankroll him now
we are in so much debt now if he does get the money somehow we will have even more debt and even less money to spend hence effecting our preformance on the pitch ie no champs league wich will drive our price even lower i fail to see what he can achive by doing this as he will never get his money back in the long term just more misery for us fans i have a nasty fealing some one will give him the money so they can make some easy money on the intrest alone ed whats your thoughts? {ed's note - I don't think anyone will give him the money, he is a bad risk after defaulting on a number of loans recently.}
23 Sep 2010 10:50:07
Hope this coming October brings joy to us, and club gets sold. But before that I think we should concentrate on other things, rather than blasting every thing related to the club. We need to show that we're best fans in the world. Hope Liverpool show thair class against Sunderland. . thanks. .
Ur thoughts ed? {ed's note - I think all we can hope for is that the players will be as embarrassed as we are by last night's result and pick up their performances.}
23 Sep 2010 10:42:16
Hi there . as a south african supporter, id like to say that its quite sad to see how much LFC has sunk. I can't see things getting better with no buyer, no cash to spend and no young talent coming through. It may take a few years of patient rebuilding and low expectations to resurrect the club. I honestly see LFC as a championship team Fitting to make the play-offs , , sad and gutted!
YNWA
23 Sep 2010 10:24:41
They can't Ed, until they play no1 can tell.
There is no question the players let Roy down and need to look at themselves. But we havent made it past the 4th round for a few yrs now so someone needs to do something.
Its a good chance of silverware gone, a chance at going to Wembley with Liverpool for Gerrard and Carra gone.
Rez {ed's note - I agree, but the team Roy put out should have been good enough to walk all over any League Two side, the senior players in that team need to look hard at themselves and realise they let everyone down. The likes of Babel, Kyrgiakos and Lucas have had enough chances now, it is time to move them on. Hopefully Roy will have the sense to not buy hundreds of squad players like Rafa did, but one or two top class players to build the team around. The squad players have shown they are just a waste of money.}
23 Sep 2010 10:15:46
You win nowt wi kids! !
I can't believe how some clubs treat the league cup.
Its a serious cup an if its the only one you can win then at least have a go. .
THIS MORNING ONE OF THE WORST THINGS IN FOOTBALL EVER HAS HAPPENED TO ME AND YOU!
Ive come to work with 90% of them being man u fans. its now 3 hrs and no one has took the piss, or even mentioned the game. .like as if you would if say Scunny got beat by hereford. .Im shattered. Weve come to being so low they don't even laugh at us anymore?. . please beat sunderland. i just can't hack it. SMF
23 Sep 2010 10:14:30
The trouble is that is is one of the only chances some of them will get this season. Kelly iwll play Europa league games but Wilson and Pacheco wont. Pacheco maybe getting a few subs games. They know its now or never so ur right in that sense.
The sqaud clearly isn't good enough, but in that case shouldnt Roy who is on enough money to realise that, know it?? Everyone at the game last night must have asked the same question. What happens if this goes wrong. Roy's answer ive got 6 lads from the youth and reserve team here don't worry.
I wasnt a fan of choosing Roy to take over however I always said I will give anyone a chance that is put in the hotseat. That being said its time to wake up Roy before your big chance to shine is gone forever, add the England job to that as well.
Rez {ed's note - how can any man judge a player until they play competitive matches? I have seen so many players who are unbelievably good in a training session, then they wilt under pressure. This is why youngsters need to be given run outs, to find out if they really are good enough and if not they can be sold and the next youngster given his chance to shine. Roy wasn't my first choice either, but I won't be judging him for a while yet.}
23 Sep 2010 10:13:41
Positves. lucus will go in jan an so will babel. who did roy bring in jones up an comin poulsen experience above average mireiless a prospect wilson one for the future, konchesky not pool class but steady should of bought striker and winger. roy hodgson he has earned respect just go for it roy attack from first minute that's all pool fans want to see.this result has been on the cards for 18 mouths. every manager since shankly has won some silver ware that's since 59 don't be odd man out roy.i think last nite could be a blessing in disguise i hope remember its history now lets back him an move on together you will never walk alone that's wat the song means. back , trust , follow roy for roy is our manager until that changes facts an don't get me wrong last nite will hurt for a long time.
the board an the owners are the problem bleedin us dry purslow a snake
23 Sep 2010 09:58:41
I stated shortly after Hodgsons appointment that he was not good enough for Liverpool.
That he had never won anything in a major league i.e. Spain, Italy or Here, that he was woefull at Blackburn.
I was slammed by fans, for being negative, and not giving him a chance.
Well I am still wait to be convinced, half a match against Arsenal, and the same at Man U, is not good enough.
Last night we were crap lets be honest, what does Hodgson say, "I was deceived by the players", let me just pass the buck! !
rasone
23 Sep 2010 09:57:17
Even as a liverpool supporter i'm happy we were knocked out of the carling cup. i'll feel the same about the europa league and fa cup too.
lets face it we have a "thin squad" and our only aim should be to finish 4th and get champions league so that torres/ reina etc don't leave.
if roy wanted to put out a team that would have won then he would have but we don't need any of these cup distractions
23 Sep 2010 09:56:50
Ed,
How do u meant they failed under pressure. We had Kelly, Wilson and Pacheco last night who all played over 90 mins that were kids. Ngog is a 1st teamer even though he is young. Agger, Babel, Lucas, The Greek, Spearing aren't young in football terms any more. They didn't perform. The youngsters that came on played well. 2 stepped up to take pens, they didn't bottle it in my eyes and no blame is placed on eccleston for missing his pen.
The players did let Roy down the team was strong enough to win, but it was after the work from the training ground hadnt worked. Roy failed yet again on this note and its a worry
Rez {ed's note - I was particularly referring to Pacheco, Kelly and Wilson, none of them really looked comfortable and none of them impressed. This was a big chance for them and they failed to take it, but, when you have barely made a first team appearance for us there is always a chance you will try too hard when a chance appears. In the past players used to bleed into the first team, they would come in be given a run, no matter how badly they played they were allowed to stay in until the moment they showed signs of settling down into the first team. The minute they showed those signs they were whipped out of the team and dropped back to the reserves to stop them getting a lazy mind set, and made to earn a return to the first team.}
23 Sep 2010 09:56:03
Why would a bank give hicks a loan?
right im going to simplify this. .
if you knew someone that owed out 5000 quid to someone, and they couldnt pay it back, would you give them that £5000 to pay it off??
anyone with half a brain wouldnt, and with hicks, the guy is looking for nearly £300M? ?
it dosnt make sense for anyone to lend him anything, he has defaulted on every loan he ever had. . . i think the term is blacklisted
db9
23 Sep 2010 09:47:40
Hodgson 63 point is ferguson was given time the only thing with this is fergy took over in 86 an it took him 6 0r 7 years to win a trophy unforturetly he hasnt time on his side an hodgson has aged about ten years in 5 mouths i hav empathy for him. purslow an rest are real disgrace id sack the lot of the board. the spirit is what disappoints me most.zero. he has the experience judge him december. things can only get better . im going to the church to pray cause the pool need all the prayers we can get.
23 Sep 2010 09:38:57
Ed that was my post before thanks for the reply.
I hear what your saying about left footers and right wing etc. I don't mind it if they are used to doing it and it is a plan b, but i watch a lot of the reserve footy now its on lfc tv and Ince hasnt done it from what I have seen. I'm not getting on Ince's back in any way i think he hasnt got talent, just baffled at Roy's tactics. I can't beleive Amoo dint get a run out last night.
The other thing is playing centre back at full back. Wilson's first game for the club and he's lashed left back. Agger is a top player and he got roasted at City playing there. Just try playing players where they play Roy. Kelly is a centre back too, and from last nights game you can tell beacuse he must have misplaced at least 50% of his passes and can't have hit a red shirt all night with a cross
Rez {ed's note - I fully agree on what you are saying, it is really frustrating to see, but I think it is a case of make-do and mend. Roy had faith in the players and they let him down, does anyone still think Kyrgiakos is good enough? Quite clearly our squad players are not good enough and Roy is right to say he needs to get rid of a few more. He has given them a chance now to prove they are good enough and want to be here and they proved completely the opposite. The kids showed that they need experience to cope under pressure, they folded badly and bottled it. The only positive I could think of last night was that the kids that played will have learnt a lot, losing teaches far more than winning.}
23 Sep 2010 09:25:22
Its rubbish to say our job as supporters is to give blind uncritical loyalty to the manager and players.
That is the very problem Rafa got off too long cause of the MIRACLE OF ISTANBUL. fans who questioned his dubious decisions were derided and he was allowed time and money to destroy the club.
Do we show loyalty to Souness? who was hell bent on buying the worst available players REJECTING ERIC CANTONA! who wanted to play for us.
Or Evans who let a golden generation go to waste?
Or don't be critical of Houllier who again wasted money on crap and destroyed God Fowler or turned down the chance of getting C Ronaldo for £3m?
No get real Roy is not good enuff by not selecting a team with some decent players he has delivered a humiliating result which increases preasure on the club and further dents confidence.
23 Sep 2010 09:20:03
To the guy who wrote this:
I watched the match tonight (on LFCTV online) and although underwhelmed by the result, took solace in a few performances:
Shelvey, Pacheco, Kelly and Ecclestone (speedy f* * r!)
Pacheco was poor mate, I'm a massive fan of his and will not jump on the kids back but last night he didn't make any sort of impact. Kelly was woeful, again I think kelly could be the future of our defense and play many games for Liverpool. However to do this his distribution needs to improve. too many times last night he gave the ball away and hit the 1st man on the cross it was infuriating.
Babel will surely now get moved on in Jan i've defended the lad for ages now but he was poor last night yet again.
I've said it before and I will say it again Roy's subs baffle me. First of all he waited 90mins to make a change. Then he brought Eccleston on for Jova which to be honest wasn't too bad coz he done well and looked to get at the full back.
Then he brought shelvey on for babel and put him RIGHT MID, wtf. He should have took one of Spearing or Lucas off and put babel wide.
Then he took Pacheco off which I wasn't bothered about bcoz he hadn't done nething neway, but brought Ince on who is extremely left footed and played him right wing. When Amoo is on fire for the ressies and plays right wing. All this when The Greek is up top so we need to be whipping crosses in.
Just seems like simple managerial mistakes to me, i don't know about you Ed. {ed's note - unfortunately this new fashion for playing left footers on the right and vice versa seems to be here to stay. I don't know what was wrong with having a winger who attacked out wide and crossed the ball for a striker to attack, or was able to get in the box on the end of a cross put in by the opposite winger. These days every manager wants them cutting inside and closing down the space, it makes no sense to me. I do definitely agree on the subs, I understand why he left it so late last night, he was looking for the players on the pitch to prove themselves (which quite clearly none did), but that doesn't excuse the too late subs in every league game too.}
23 Sep 2010 09:07:45
Its got to start here and now - roy u are the weakest link - f@$k off
23 Sep 2010 09:03:29
I read this morning that Roy Hodgson said that some players missed out on a good opportunity last night. Unfortunately they were not on the pitch! The fact is that after the extremely poor performances of the last few weeks Roy should have given the first team a chance to gell and get some goals under their belts. There are times to be cautious but with so many players not giving their best (some for over a season now) every little helps. I read also that players like Babel and Lucas are going to be sold in January. If they (and any others) are not good enough in January then they are not good enough now and shouldn't be in any more matchday squads!
I posted last week that I have hardly enjoyed a match since the end of the 2009/ 2010 season and see no signs of any immediate improvement but I still live in hope!
23 Sep 2010 08:52:47
Alarm bells ringing big time we need roy of the rovers.we bought keane a few years back at time we bought him i said not good enought small fish big pond same concepth aplys to hodgson lovly man i think to big for him. i will back him players hav to look in mirror also, i wanted one man an one only to replace rafa in summer wouldn't of cost us a penny an this was king kenny but hes not a yes man. rafas first season in charge beaten in fa cup by burnley an won champions league 2005 foote a funny old game an well done northampton respect we can learn from you. heart an spirit
23 Sep 2010 08:46:01
Irish Rover, YNWA, The Turdz, Ken Dodd, Stan Boardman, Bobby Grant, Sheila Grant, Barry Grant, The Ugly one from the spice Girls, Keith Chegwin. Your boys took one hell of a beating last night. In Woy We Twust. RAINFISHTROMBONE
23 Sep 2010 08:43:26
Well done Northampton Town, you deserved to beat us last night, because you played better football, were more combative than us, and made us look like the second division side.
From my own point of view, it was the same old story again. OK, we can (and now do too often) lose matches, but it is the manner of the performance which is worrying and irritating. The whole pattern of play is obviously the same as the 'first' team, which means very timid and poor tactics.
The way Liverpool defend so deep is inviting trouble, and we invariably get it.
Even Northampton's defence was pushed up much higher putting pressure on us, and limiting the space we had to play in.
The way we lost out on 50/ 50 tackles (nearly every single one they won) shows to me a lot of our players have no courage or heart for LFC.
How many times will we be left disappointed again this season? I predict it will be many.
KBL
23 Sep 2010 08:35:46
Deal with it lads. No new owners, no new stadium and certainly no big cash.
If new owners were coming they'd be here by now.
We wouldn't have sold so much and spent so little unless we were moving to a Barcelona type system, where your club develops it's own talent. Our signings were mostly talented youngsters or older players, which would suggest they were looking for those with the experience to pass it onto the young.
On the other hand doomsdayers, if the club was in that big financial troubler the RBA would have liquidated us long ago.
So expect over the next 3-5 years to see more of Pacheo, Kelly, Insua, Mavinga, Shelvey and co.
Patience people. . patience
23 Sep 2010 08:24:59
Maybe we can have a day off posting speculative info regarding takeover and reflect on THE WORST RESULT IN THE CLUBS HISTORY. All LFC fans everywhere should be very alarmed at our fall and maybe those who likened our situation to Leeds were correct. There is no doubt about it, if those players (who played last night) represent our back up and future to our already average 1st team we'll fall faster than Leeds. This was their chance to shine - make a mark - sick of hearing babel saying we'll see best of him, even agger, everyone talking up pacheco they couldn't lace the young boys at Arsenals boots - FACT. Great shame and embarrassment has been brought on the club again - do the players care? Is Roy's apology acceptable? As a token gesture at least everyone associated with last night should donate their wages to charity - even the 1st team to show us supporters they agree performances like this are unacceptable, won't be tolerated and most importantly EVERYONE at the club cares.
23 Sep 2010 07:44:32
Liverpool should bring benitez back
23 Sep 2010 07:35:58
Is it possible to sack a player ?
After last night's performance - there has to be a few players on P45 watch - Babel, Ngog.
Was anyone else underwhelmed by Wilson's performance? First game and not his best position granted but he didn't live up to his hype.
Redted
23 Sep 2010 07:01:42
HI ED, I GOTTA POST AS I REALLY AM DISGUSTED WITH THESE 'LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS' ARE WE NOT MENT TO SUPPORT THE MANAGER AND THE TEAM? ? YES WE LOST AGAINST LESSER OPPOSITION BUT SO DID OTHER TEAMS. IF WE HAD A WON THEY WOULD BE SAYIN WHO NEEDS IT, MICKEY MOUSE CUP ETC. ROY CANT WIN WHAT EVER HE DOES. I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE AND ILL SAY IT AGAIN NO TEAM WINS ANY SILVERWARE IN SEPTEMBER. A FEW WEEKS AGO IT WAS DONT WORRY ABOUT THE CUP GAMES LETS CONCENTRATE ON THE LEAGUE, HE LOSES IN THE CUP AND HE GETS SLATED. . . . GIVE THE BLOKE AND THE LADS A BREAK. . . .GEESE! ! I M SURPRISED NGOG WASNT SLATED FOR SCORING AGAIN, THE LAD HAS DONE WELL SO FAR, HE COULD SCORE HATRICKS IN EVERY GAME AND HE STILL WOULDNT BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR SOME 'FANS' ANYWAY RANT OVER. HERES TO SUNDERLAND! ! LETS SUPPORT EM NOT SLATE EM. GREAT JOB ED!
23 Sep 2010 06:39:06
With all due respect, you editor are starting to make a complete doofus and nuisance of yourself.Your constant attempts to defend Hodgson even when indefensible is doing me head in.
Many of us have raised and argued our points (bad team selections, bad formations, ill-advised and poor tactics, bad timing of substitutions, negative mentality, inability to identify and correct faults during the game, Hodgson's lack of disappoint in getting a draw etc), and you editor hasn't addressed these issues.
Instead, you keep on citing the ownership issue.Now you blaming the previous manager;"it is Rafa's legacy" you say.Well, Rafa isn't in charge of this team, Hodgson is.Hodgson's the one who sets up the team and determines tactics.He was brought caused "he's the sort of man who's tailored to work under the prevailing circumstances.
Well, I haven't seen anything to suggest he'll even be able to finish where we did last season.And I've raised me reasons.
So please Senor editor, stop making excuses for the man and actually tell us what you make of the man's mentality, team selections, formations, tactics, timing of subs, having little disappointment in draws.Please, I'm dying to hear your views.
Lombardi Cazorla
{Editor's note - Well I am not the Ed that is the Liverpool supporter so I can not really pass comment because I was watching the team I support play last night}
23 Sep 2010 06:19:53
To those fools who said roy should b given time. . he has shown us dat he is a mid-table manager.He doesn't know hw 2select players, he tactics are poor & wen he's sittin on d bench he's alwayz afraid not bold.we don't nid dis kind of manager, we want a manager who can inspire d player, a manager whose tactics is 2attack &defend not defindin alwayz, win games even wen d team plays bad.if roy doesn't av dis all dis den we are headin 2d cocacola championship.we nid a manager like jose mourinh, oneil, rikaarjd or hidink.God dis club nids ur mercy and favour cos right now we are headin to d dungeon. Y.N.W.A
23 Sep 2010 05:35:05
By playing Jova in the cup, is Roy making the statement that he will not play him on the weekend? Does that mean Joe Cole will be on the wing again, Raul behind Torres and Gerrard/ Poulsen in midfield? I hope not - Joe needs to be behind Torres in my opinion - he is more willing to try and beat players and is more creative than the rest of our midfield at the moment. And I can't believe that I'm excited that our "right winger" Kuyt might be back for the game - actually I can believe it when Maxi is the alternative - LIVERPRES
23 Sep 2010 05:28:24
To whichever Ed gets to this first, *please* publish this in the "Latest " so everyone can give constructive feedback.
I watched the match tonight (on LFCTV online) and although underwhelmed by the result, took solace in a few performances:
Shelvey, Pacheco, Kelly and Ecclestone (speedy f* * r!)
After that, I sank 12 cans of our previous sponsor.
I am now here. .
Liverpool FC is 118 years old.
On average, each Manager has had 6.2 years in the job.
We are awaiting delivery of our 19th title.
Roy hodgson is our 19th manager.
He WILL bring us the 19th title in the next 6.2 years. - In fact, I'm gonna stick my neck on the line and say NEXT year.
PS - For the "Doom Mongers" We might *only* be "5th from bottom" but we're also *only* 3 points off 4th place ;o)
Peace, Matt x x
{Editor's note - Are you still drunk?}
23 Sep 2010 04:30:28
Will playing 4-3-3 work with liverpool?
reina
kelly skrtel agger konchesky
meireles gerrard
cole
babel torres jovanovic
Gerrard will be "Xabi Alonso". Cole will be an advanced playmaker. 3 man attack of torres, jovanovic and babel should cause problems for the defense. Ed, am i right, or stupid?
{Editor's note - I do not think that would work. Gerrard is not as good as Alonso, in that position}
23 Sep 2010 04:24:18
I was thinking about setting it up with Lloyds registrars, so it is not actually me that has anything to do with it, I'm at uni at the moment, I was just hoping to get the ball rolling. To tell you the truth I haven't got the first clue in how any of this works so I wouldn't put my self forward in any aspect of running the club but maybe there is a way of setting up a share scheme where Lloyds take control of the sale of the shares, this is what I plan to do tomorrow.
Obviously they would want something out of it they are not going to do it for free, but if it is possable then why not? My idea is that Lloyds could do the marketing through all the official fan clubs around the world plus we our selves make an effort by spreading the word and then all a fan needs to do is pop into a local Lloyds bank and purchase a share or two.
Even a single mum with two kids could own a share for a tenner? It's got to be possable surely?? It seems that easy? Like I said I am not in this for any personal gain i'm at uni but I am just fed up with SOS saying they are going to do it then some one else but no one does it. I think if someone just goes into Lloyds and gets the ball rolling who knows, every one is a winner, Lloyds make money, RBS make money, we the fans own the club, Roy has money to spend and the stadium gets built.
Like I said simples
Tobey
23 Sep 2010 03:31:10
Ed? First thing first . don't you think it was a penalty against o'shea . just answer me. Why was that whskey face'd manager of manchester united talking s* t about liverpool and our so called manager did nothing . >? let me tell you the reason. Because our manager is a puppet of our rivals club manager. he has got many in this league. now in liverpool that's what he was wishing of all these years. Our manager said that it wasnt a penalty but why was is with that scottish .I feel there is something wrong happening. It is just not clicking the whole thing. Just post it and repy. {ed's note - how could it be a penalty when it was outside the box?}Sorry my mistake but Red card atleast ( on both the occasions ). O' shea assited the last goal . . it would have changed everything. tell me . aint our manager puppet.? {ed's note - not at all, he is no puppet.}
Oh Ed?! Don't ya just love it when a pis*ed up person comes on here knowing it all but make absolutely f*ck all sense. . hic?!
23 Sep 2010 02:19:41
Ed? First thing first . don't you think it was a penalty against o'shea . just answer me. Why was that whskey face'd manager of manchester united talking s* t about liverpool and our so called manager did nothing . >? let me tell you the reason. Because our manager is a puppet of our rivals club manager. he has got many in this league. now in liverpool that's what he was wishing of all these years. Our manager said that it wasnt a penalty but why was is with that scottish .I feel there is something wrong happening. It is just not clicking the whole thing. Just post it and repy. {ed's note - how could it be a penalty when it was outside the box?}Sorry my mistake but Red card atleast ( on both the occasions ). O' shea assited the last goal . . it would have changed everything. tell me . aint our manager puppet. ? {ed's note - not at all, he is no puppet.}
23 Sep 2010 02:05:52
RE:David Bentley loaned in liverpool
David Bentley has runied his career by going to Tottenham. he likes to be the big-fish in a small pond and tottenham are overloaded wit players.
He would be great for lfc. Since Rafael van der Vaart walked into the club, he has even less of a chance of playing first team.
Bentley is a quality player and pool are lacking quality at the moment. we need a winger on the cheap.
We should try to loan him in.
23 Sep 2010 02:03:43
Ed? First thing first . don't you think it was a penalty against o'shea . just answer me. Why was that whskey face'd manager of manchester united talking s* t about liverpool and our so called manager did nothing . >?? let me tell you the reason. Because our manager is a puppet of our rivals club manager. he has got many in this league. now in liverpool that's what he was wishing of all these years. Our manager said that it wasnt a penalty but why was is with that scottish .I feel there is something wrong happening. It is just not clicking the whole thing. Just post it and repy. {ed's note - how could it be a penalty when it was outside the box?}
23 Sep 2010 01:48:01
Liverpool traditionally give managers 3 years. .
I don't think Roy will get his marchin orders, he has something to prov to himself at Liverpool. Roy will take us to a FA Final in his three years with us.
23 Sep 2010 00:53:35
Dreamland
reina kelly subotic agger bastos
johnson meireles gerard
j cole torres marin
subs . amoo, pacheco , ngog ( very much gettin better and better ) skrtel , jones, ince , jova, konchesky , kuyt, hazard and wilson
and of course a new manager ( ryicard ) very attack minded .remember wot he did at barca
23 Sep 2010 00:45:48
Deke Reefer wrote at 22 Sep 2010 23:45:40:
"I was wondering if anyone really cares about the team anymore. I come on here and see the hate for the owners and the hate for the manager and the hate for many of the players by the so called Liverpool fans. Everything I have said previously has been put down by the regulars so I think the answer is somewhere - but not here."
Deke, the Liverpool fans are unpredicatable to say the least. They mean well but cannot help trashing the owners, management and team.
I decided a while ago they will probably never be happy.
Sharkey.
23 Sep 2010 00:39:51
To Deke
have you been watching liverpool lately? ? we can't even beat northhampton at anfield! ! , we are already out of the league race after 5 games, our new manager has not got a clue how to pick a team or buy players and we have 2 owners that are bleeding our club dry and we have not won the league in 20 YEARS?? ??
LFC fans have the write to be pissed off with whats going on at our club, if this carrys on we could be looking at coca colo league football .
so do me a favour and take your head out your arse and look at what is happening to our once great club.
23 Sep 2010 00:36:35
Funny thing is that for the first 15 minutes it looked like it could be an embarrassment for Northampton- they didn't get a sniff.
But Roy was wrong to put so much blame on the players- the fact is for such a winnable trophy, he took it too lightly, and he left himself no quality options on the bench. He had no insurance policy for when the team got shaky, which they did.
Now look- Chelsea, spurs and Man City already out of it, only Arsenal and Man U to worry about, and we could beat either of them. They've both had their moment against us this season, and its our turn next.
Or rather it would have been our turn, if we'd had some actual backup on the bench who could turn a game around, or take a penalty. Unbelievable.
23 Sep 2010 00:32:45
Please stop the Roy bashing. What is he supposed to do with the team he's inherited, and no money to spend?
Give him time to settle, and some money to build his own squad he wants, and then start judging him.
23 Sep 2010 00:19:23
Just heard we're playing the Northampton Town over 65's tomorrow night to give us some confidence back.
Roy has even picked the team already,
He will play himself upfront feeding off flick ons from Sammy Lee, Pacheco playin in goal.
Full team:
Pacheco(gk)
Torres(wb)Spearing(cb)Raheem Sterling(cb)Ngoo(wb)
Purslow(rm) Hicks(dm) Gillette(dm) Reina(lm)
(capt)
Lee(am)
Hodgson(st)
Subs: We don't need any cause by the time we bring them on the game will be OVER! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
We'll just pass the ball in triangles for for the whole game too until one of our / their players passes out from dizziness. Its on PPV - can't wait?
Ed? Happy with tactics & line up? {ed's note - er....}
23 Sep 2010 00:18:22
Liverpool fan here how shockn was 2nite eh bad really fukin bad united last wekend and now this we ave gerrard cole torres johnson reina carra raul agger skirtel and a few more good players im tired of listening 2 xcuses 4 roy hodgson why and i mean why why was that muppet ever picked 4 liverpool manager crusty the clown more like it and martin o neil would only love the job he is the only person 2 prove he is ready 4 the step up 4 liverpool fc and yet i c more and more liverpool fans say martin o neil would b bad 4 the cub and 2 get bhind dat luser rh ed ?wat would it take 2 get rid of him and 1 more? if we r 2 accept we r a bad team which we are why keep paying big wages 2 finish 7th or 8th it makes no sense why ruin such players like torres hes 2 good 4 us hes being wasted
23 Sep 2010 00:18:00
Seeing Michael Owen scoring tonight has got me reminiscing. I know he joined Man U and he's a traitor and all that bollocks, but he's still one of my favourite Liverpool players of recent years. With him and Fowler up front you were guaranteed goals. When players like Mcallister able to thrive in the Premiership despite being in his late 30s. When Heskey still had the ability to run and score.
2001 was a good year for LFC.
I miss football being a sport and not a business.
23 Sep 2010 00:03:59
The Fans.
Look, the fans will be happy come 6th Oct, and Hicks is out of LFC. Untill then Liverpool has become a war zone.
The fans are right to forced Hicks out. We can have 2 weeks of war now or 2 years of this kninda performace from lfc.
The Fans are doing the right thing.
22 Sep 2010 23:59:50
MAN U: Intresting, the first half against man utd. the game tactic was to keep the ball in midfield and playi triangles and square balls so man utd didn't hit us on the counter.
Torres not suppiled with the ball frist half, second half they looked to play Torres the ball and we got pen + freekick.
ARSENAL: The shape at Arsenal. Gerrard playing deep and playing searching balls for Milian + Kuyt.
I think LFC have what it takes to win games, They should play Chelsea's formation, Have Joe Cole Raul Meireles Gerrard playing deeper as compact three in midfield.
22 Sep 2010 23:57:49
{ed's note - there is no point changing a manager right now. Let's just get the off field situation sorted and see how things lie on the pitch then. No one will be able to get much out of the dross that Rafa left behind anyway.}
Ah Ed come on now.
Listen i was one of Rafa's biggest critics since Champs League final team sheet in 2007 but can't agree with "dross" being the problem!
Hodgson is the one picking the team, setting his tactics, subbing players late in games when they can do little or nothing to effect results. Where is the passion & drive instilled by team talks?
The players were woeful tonight but he has to take 100% responsibility for it.
Playing 2 deep lying midfielders at home in any game is stupid we all know that! But to do it against a league 2 team beggars belief!
The bench was so weak it was embarrasing! He and only he (Hodgson) should take the blame for that.
Name me a worse result in our recent history?
Barnsley a couple of years back was bad but this. .come on Ed, there are no excuses for this.
If i was Hodgson i'd actually resign (but like Rafa he won't do the decent thing). We are the laughing stock of football now. And he's in the running for England's managers job ha. .hope you guys enjoy Capello now cause its about to get a whole lot worse. But not before he makes shi* of our club!
No excuses for tonight - Roy is not the man for Liverpool - simple!