Liverpool Banter Archive October 21 2015

21 Oct 2015 19:13:35
Any idea if the Captains armband will change hands under Klopp?
Personally I think Lucas should have been given it when Steven Gerrard left, he's been at the Club for a long time, would run through walls for the Club. Can't believe Rodgers tried to sell him! Idiot.

21 Oct 2015 20:07:54
Why should it change hands, exactly?

21 Oct 2015 20:08:43
I was just going to post has anyone noticed how much it appears Klopp gets on with Lucas. He's been at the press conferences, seems to be getting positive attention his way from Klopp. And it is much deserved. I agree he should of been capt. With heno vice. Nothing against Hendo at all btw.

21 Oct 2015 20:35:02
Exactly why it should change hands is because IMO Henderson should never have gotten it in the first place.
I doubt it will change now, but just how Milner has manged to get his hands on it before Lucas is a real poor showing, guys only been at the club 5 mins.
Concur with Henderson V. Captain.

21 Oct 2015 21:05:07
Black and Deckers !

22 Oct 2015 00:12:20
It shouldn't change hands, Henderson is a leader and is still pretty young and will improve in the role. I still think Milner is a weird choice for vice as he is a new player and I think the captain needs to have a few years at the club to shine. Lucas or sakho for vice for me.

22 Oct 2015 03:44:52
I agree that Milner should never have even been signed, not getting the arm band and Lucas should've been vice captain or even captain but it's over with now. However, Klopp may see Lucas as a big ally and leader with a proven record of dedication and professionalism. He doesn't have to be captain to fit the above description.

22 Oct 2015 04:52:49
Henderson is more of a leader than Lucas is and has a voice on the pitch, and would be most respected by officials IMO than Lucas would, possibly because he's English. I understand the sentiment of Lucas being captain and I would have wanted him to be captain instantly if he was as prone to injury as he is. He will likely spend a lot of time on the sideline every season so we will just have an absent captain for a lot of the time. Doesn't make sense to me.

22 Oct 2015 06:25:27
100% agree. Henderson is young, leads by example and, IMO our best player (I take consistency into consideration in my verdict there) . Lucas is a great club man, a great guy, and a good player. Yes we do better generally when Lucas is playing (although that goes for with Henderson too probably more so) but with Lucas that is because the best we have is a good CDM not a great one in footballing terms. Lucas is almost 29 too and, whilst I agree he should not have even been considered for sale in advance of others I do think we ultimately need better in that position so I'd be unsure about his true longevity as a first team player for those reasons. Don't get me wrong I like him as a footballer and love him as a club man but I need to take the second sentiment away and think about our ability to compete at the highest. In that regard we need a great CDM and a decent Centre Half first and foremost. Milner was strange as a vice captain and as a guaranteed central player IMO. Limitations TBH on who to choose there so whilst Lucas is our best option for CDM I would make him vice!

{Ed001's Note - age is a good thing in a captain, you want an experienced head, so why mention him being 29 like it is a bad thing? He should be captain because everyone, and I do mean everyone, in the squad looks up to him. It is ridiculous to even have an argument about it. That is why Klopp has him centre stage in everything he does. Lucas is the key to our team.}

22 Oct 2015 10:42:47
Sakho didn't get it because BR wasn't playing him so didn't want him, Lucas didn't get it because BR obviously isn't a fan either as he tried to get him out of the club.
Milner got VC as another incentive to join.
That's it folks let's get over this constant post of captains and hope Jordan gets fit soon and becomes another great Liverpool captain and let's hope Klopp gets effective football out of Milner then we can stop whining about who is and isn't in the roles.
Bigger fish to fry at the club at the moment.

21 Oct 2015 17:10:26
Had no idea that Rossiter had to play 3 games in 5 days for the England U19's.

I think Klopp summed this up in his last statement; if you treat the youth like horses, then you will get horses. lol

Ed001, what do you think about this?

{Ed001's Note - that is a bit much but they do have squads, so it should just encourage rotation. Far too many games though at that age.}

21 Oct 2015 19:27:16
Think what's P*ss*d him off is after the 1st 2 games England had qualified so to play him in the last game was pointless.

21 Oct 2015 16:25:59
To all the lads going tommorow. . you heard the bloke make an atmosphere. anfield is meant to be a fortress yet we have a better atmosphere away from home good luck and I want to hear how bad all your throats are on Friday morning.

21 Oct 2015 19:49:49
Anfield is going to be rockin' even watching on the box is going to be good, wish I was there but got Holliday with the wife and kids so can't complain.

21 Oct 2015 20:09:22
Make that place deafening, if you`re going to the game tomorrow. DEAFENING!

21 Oct 2015 20:48:26
Should be interesting in the upper centenary if they have a group of Russians like they did the Swiss.

21 Oct 2015 23:49:36
I'll be there, can't wait. 😎.

22 Oct 2015 01:01:21
Yep me too!

21 Oct 2015 16:08:49
Listening to Klopp's pressy, it's un fathomable how many injuries we have! Studge ( surprise. ), Benteke, Firmino, Hendo, Lovren, Flanno, Ings, Gomez and Rossiter. Anymore and he'll be holding the pressy in A&E.

21 Oct 2015 18:29:41
Hopefully by sunday this list is shorter by half.

21 Oct 2015 11:52:31
Its all coming out now about Rodgers, and how some of the players didn't rate him as a manager at all and the effect he had on them in there decision to leave the club.

Gerrard - Fuming after being left on the bench for the United game, left because of Rodgers.

Sterling - Left because of Rodgers (according to his agent)

Markovic - left because of Rodgers not playing him in his correct position.

Agger - Rodgers again.

Suso - Rodgers.

I think we could of possibly kept hold of Suarez for a little bit longer if we had Klopp or another top manager.

21 Oct 2015 12:39:16
Every manager makes enemies because they didn't give that player the playing time they wanted. Bar Sterling and markovic, it was time for the rest of those players to leave for various reasons. I wouldn't read too much into the sterling comments. It would've been a different excuse even if Klopp were here. Let's face it, city offered literally twice the wages that we did.

21 Oct 2015 12:59:06
Agger shouldn't have gone.

21 Oct 2015 13:06:56
Klopp would have certainly sold Sterling for that amount of money. He would have properly reinvested it in the squad, maybe.

21 Oct 2015 13:29:40
I can't believe some so called fans would take the word of Aidy Ward and use it to belittle an ex Liverpool manager. Rodgers didn't do a perfect job and he got fired for that.

Also it seems on this website that every player who didn't make into the first team is the result of poor management by Rodgers. Players that were bought but didn't work out - Rodgers fault. Players left - Rodgers fault. This is ridiculous. Sometimes a player just isn't good enough, has an attitude problem, is too old, didn't for-fill his potential, doesn't fit into the English game and any number of reasons.

Sure Rodgers made mistakes but he is not responsible for everything that didn't go right - sometimes the players need to take responsibility.

Finally what happened to meaning YNWA when you say it. I wish Rodgers luck and hope he finds success in the game.

21 Oct 2015 13:37:05
Suarez was a bit different I think, when Barcelona and Real come calling for a south american/spanish player its extremely hard to keep them.

21 Oct 2015 14:25:48
Potclay if you didn't notice that is why i put according to his agent i know full well what his agent is capable of, and yes we all know you'll never walk alone means, did i once slag off Rodgers NO! I was just posting on the facts.

21 Oct 2015 14:46:39
How are these facts ? They are your opinions. No one except those people know the reasons why and after that we can all write anything.

Sterling left cause he was a prick. Gerrard and Agger left because they were past it. Suso just wasnt good enough and didn't give enough effort. Markovic actually hasn't left but was sent out to get game time.

And what is the point of saying "its all coming out now about Rodgers". You are gnats chuff away from slagging him off, if not doing exactly that.

21 Oct 2015 15:10:38
Hi Allyb,

I think you're a bit misguided in your analysis there. Gerrard was angry but that doesn't mean the decision to bench him was wrong, he left because his performances were no longer of a high enough level for Liverpool. Sterling and Rodgers fell out but the decision to move was always more about finances (as much as I'd like to I can't blame the kid for accepting significantly higher wages elsewhere) . Markovic was down the pecking list below 4 or 5 other players, you may disagree with this ranking but that's how Rodger's and the club saw it, in the circumstance the right move was to loan him, better for his development, better for the club finances and he could still come back to be a Liverpool player in the future. Agger didn't like Rodgers it's true but his body (by his own admission) was falling apart and he struggled with the physicality of the premier league, he could no longer be relied upon. Suso, he's simply a player who hasn't lived up to the hype. There's still a chance I'll be proved wrong but so far the evidence is on my side. Suarez was always going to leave, he had his heart set on Barcelona or Real, he liked playing for us but we were always a stepping stone for him.

Rodgers made some difficult decisions in these cases but in each case it's difficult to argue he did the wrong thing or was at fault.

{Ed001's Note - actually it is not that difficult to argue that Markovic should never have bought, which was Rodgers' decision, when he was always going to be so far down the pecking order. Gerrard was playing poorly, but he should have been let go properly, not messed about being benched then played out of position. Agger, well it might have been the best decision for all parties, if he had been replaced properly, rather than just dumped out of the team. Sterling's issue was forced by Rodgers' utterly inept handling of the kid, sending him on holiday midseason should have been an immediate sacking offence. The constant comments in the media etc, none of them should have happened. Though I do agree he probably would have left in the end anyway. Suarez was not Rodgers' fault, that was all on Hannibal the Cannibal himself, being a prick. Suso, well he was blocked from developing by a lack of games, saying he never lived up to the hype is just bull. He never had a chance to live up to any hype as the manager was unable to figure out how to use him, instead choosing to buy 45 players.}

21 Oct 2015 15:15:55
BR has his faults but to say RS left due to him is nonsense and not true. BR had a hand in it but to take the worrd of a dubious agent who is only trying to stick the boot into BR because he`s down in a bid to save his face, is ludicrous.

21 Oct 2015 15:20:08
Suarez wanted to play chanpions league regularly, he gave his best when he was at liverpool. Barcelona is and was his dream.

Come on y are we discussing about players we already had here. when rodgers came.


What about players he brought starting with borini, aspas. sahin. oh my god list just grows i'm stopping here.

21 Oct 2015 16:01:01
May I point out that on 4th October Brendan Rodgers was awarded the title 'EX' to use in his job description i.e. Ex-Liverpool Manager. We all have to learn to concentrate on the present and the future. Of the players mentioned only Markovic will be coming back (even if it is only to leave again, hopefully not! ). As for Gerrard fuming about being left on the bench it didn't take long for him to get back there that day!

21 Oct 2015 16:27:27
Sterling may or may not have ended up leaving anyway, but that doesn't make what Ward has said any less true. Rodgers certainly wasn't helpful in that situation with his constant 'he's been offered a great contract' nonsense to the press.

21 Oct 2015 16:39:30
Can we stop with this already? They've moved on, so should we.

Rodgers is gone, Klopp is in and that is all that matter, not whether X would stay or Y would have signed a new deal etc. It's done, it can not be changed so may as well get on with it.

21 Oct 2015 16:47:58
Hi Ed1, love debating with you. I'd agree we shouldn't have even bought Markovic but the post was about him going out on loan so I thought I'd stick to that. I'd say Gerrard's treatment was more Rodgers trying desperately to accommodate a faded giant, a better manager may have handled it better but I won't blame Rodgers for what happened there, he would have been under pressure from every corner (including the guys who pay his wage) to get him in the team and somehow make it work. I'd also agree that I wish Agger's departure was handled better, he was always a favourite of mine and it saddens me that he left with regrets. The Sterling thing was a mess from start to finish and Rodgers could/should have done better but I think utterly inept is over the top, at the time many commentators said that Sterling's form improved after his holiday and hailed it as a good move. Once it was clear that City would pay almost twice as much as Liverpool Sterling was never going to sign a Liverpool contract no matter how the situation was handled. As for Suso we shall have to disagree, the nature of 'what if' questions is that neither of us can be proven correct (actually, you can if he comes good at Milan but you get my point) . I just believe that if he was good enough he would make either at Liverpool, Milan or somewhere else, I know you disagree but it's how I see it.

21 Oct 2015 17:00:08
Markovic was the committees choice, hence his problems with Rodgers.

21 Oct 2015 17:07:54
The thing that annoys me most about the Suso situation, is that in Rodgers' first season, he had a throat three choice of Suarez, sterling, downing and Suso. He played a few games that season and did well for a debut season. Then the season we came second, we loan in a lazy victor Moses when he's out on loan? Moses barely played and was pretty average when he did, and aspas never cut it. We needed some option attacking wise, and we had a young player who seemed to raise his game playing first team football, could have been the future for us, but instead loaned in a player.

21 Oct 2015 20:13:07
Fency, your comment is exactly why and for many good reasons, Ed01 (and many of us here) call BR`s handling of players inept and baffling.

21 Oct 2015 22:24:15
True i always rated Suso highly. I don't know what he was like in training in relation to attitude but i always thought he should have been given a chance similar time to sterling really.

22 Oct 2015 01:33:53
To be fair to Rodgers, I believe all the managers we have had during the 'Suso period' never regarded him as worthy to be on the team sheet. The lad had talent, no doubt, my only thinking is that he had a poor attitude or didn't give enough in training. Just a guess.

21 Oct 2015 11:00:35
Many watch the arsenal game last night. ? What a buy cech has proven to be and how important a worldclass keeper is. Man I crushed on him hoping he'd play in an lfc shirt.
Nuer was magnificent apart from the goals which is ironiC. He will go down as a great great goalkeeper.

21 Oct 2015 11:13:14
Czech was always class. Wenger's best signing after Carzola in recent time.

{Ed001's Note - what about Sanchez? Who took them up to a whole new level when he arrived. He surely has to be the best signing in years by Arsenal?}

21 Oct 2015 12:14:41
I thought it was a great performance by Arsenal considering they never play that style. Always think Walcott doesn't have the finish or touch to be a striker through, he had 3 or so shots in the first half which he barely testes nueur and the header, although being one of the best saves I've ever seen watching live, really should have scored. It would probably be a waste of his talents but for Munich away if play Sanchez through the middle, he will more likely take a chance if he gets one.

21 Oct 2015 12:15:45
Sanchez is their best player and has certainly taken them up a notch.

21 Oct 2015 13:38:56
If Arsenal learn to play like that against the big teams, at home and in Europe, they could do very well. They are absolutely deadly on the counter attack.

Cech was a brilliant buy but one they had desperately needed for such a long time.

Sanchez just added an injection of pure class to that team.

21 Oct 2015 18:30:34
Well Ed01, I love Sanchez but he was always a spectacular player and they did pay an awful lot of money.

But Carzola was the best gamble he took in tears. Bringing him for close to 12 mill and then deploying him in the center mid was outstanding.
What a fine player he is on the ball. The little trick and turn he makes after receiving the ball from CB and spreading it across is class.

He is my second fav player after Silva in the league.

{Ed001's Note - he was not a gamble, he was well known to be a quality player.}

21 Oct 2015 06:05:15
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Disappointments

21 Oct 2015 09:02:32
Felt Guzan and Colback could have each had a fair few players in their teams listed as worse than them. Over all a fun little article though.

{Ed001's Note - it is a difficult choice, some teams could have had all 11 players in each game listed.}

21 Oct 2015 09:28:01
Oh easily haha. Keep those articles coming ed I do enjoy them!

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

21 Oct 2015 10:11:55
A fun read eds, very enjoyable 5 mins. I get picking our worst player took a while. MilneMilner brought a lot of the flack on himself in my opinion, demanding to play in the middle. If you demand then when your demands are met you had better perform and he just hasn't. I do believe his high wages and the fact that BR gave him the vice captaincy straight away didn't help. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it caused a by of unrest in the camp. I never really expected that high a level of performance from Milner anyway to be honest, I think his transfer was very overrated and overhyped by the press. He has only over been a substitute for club and country and I feel the press, BR and himself have did him no favours.

{Ed001's Note - the vice captaincy was a huge mistake, in my opinion.}

21 Oct 2015 10:56:28
Edd001 I agree, but then who would it have went to? Most likely sktrl in Rodgers tenure. I would have probably given or preffered coutinho or Sakho vice captain.

21 Oct 2015 11:03:50
Out of interest Ed001, who would have been your VC choice?

{Ed001's Note - Lucas.}

21 Oct 2015 11:39:09
Should have given the vice captaincy to Lucas - a model professional who always puts in a shift and never moans. He is a great example to yougsters and a top DM too.

21 Oct 2015 12:38:31
Fair enough!

Personally I'd have made a few different choices - Schweinsteigger for United, Trippier for Spurs (decent whack of money for someone who can't get past Danny Rose), Mitrovic for Newcastle and Ayew for Villa.

{Ed001's Note - Trippier plays on the right, Rose is a left sided player. Mitrovic has got better with each performance and Jordan Ayew was always known to be the crap brother, so he is only playing to the level expected.}

21 Oct 2015 13:42:49
Sorry, Trippier can't get over Walker - not much better! Ayew is certainly the less talented brother, but I certainly think they hoped for the occasional good performance from him.

21 Oct 2015 13:46:59
I don't massively disagree with any but Fabregas must have been in the running. He has been absolutely awful.

{Ed001's Note - not really as that is what I expected of him and said so many time before he signed for Chelsea.}