Liverpool Banter Archive February 21 2013
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21 Feb 2013 23:27:17
Just had a quick look through some of todays posts and had to comment ( I will get to tonights game at the end of this because I feel so strongly about stuff i've just read. ) Somebody posted what's wrong with Suarez's feet, the ball keeps bouncing off him or something, after he has just scored 2 goals to give us some sort of chance in the tie.
And finally on this I will finish on the biggest woman of all of you Welshboydave, LEAVE ME ALONE, how sad is that from a grown man! Look at your OP that I replied to, it's beyond belief! You are criticising me and thousands like me who pay extortionate amounts of money to watch Liverpool and imply it's our fault that we are doing poorly because the atmosphere isn't to your liking!
You also make a lot of assumptions in your reply to my post Dave, so I will make a few things clear for you. I HAVE NEVER made threats to anybody connected to F$G, John Henry Tom Werner Ian Ayre or any of there family. I HAVE NEVER booed the team or an individual player at the match and I have been going since 1982 had my season ticket since 1984!
Oh and by the way YES YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION when it comes to the team the manager the owners or individual players BUT NOT the support at Anfield because by your own admission you have never been to a game so how you think you have the right to slag us off shows you are a meglomaniac of the highest order. If you supported your local team and did also for instance and you were a paying customer and I watched the team from afar and had never been to a game and then slagged you off for the teams poor performance. What would you tell me to do? GO F**K MYSELF is what you would tell me to do, so that's exactly what i'm telling you to do, if you don't go the game, keep your mouth firmly shut when it comes to those that do!
Well done to the lads tonight, they showed pride in the shirt and as I posted the other night, if they show us that they will get it back ten fold, which they did! Sad to go out but I just hope we finish the season strongly and finish as high as we can!
Waro
Eds I commented on the Joe Allen debate earlier and mentioned about it in my OP and you have completely deleted it, WHY?
Waro {Ed001's Note - because you are abusive. If you can't clean up your act and post without the foul language, then it is just going to keep getting deleted. It wasn't any issue with what you said, merely the way you expressed it.}
We are where we are because we have poor players like allen, shelvey etc and over rated players like sterling I know he is very young but so were players like greaves, owen fowler etc the team tried and respect to them for that but be realistic. only my opinion and it will not stop my love for lfc on wards and upwards. ynwa red mick tag
22 Feb 2013 09:12:33
I'm sorry, didn't you tell someone recently not to comment on your posts anymore? Sounds like another way to say 'leave me alone' if you ask me.
It's a pity you can't have a civilized debate, without resorting to abuse.
Anywho, you can call me a hypocrite if you like, but to me its you who's a hypocrite.
You call yourself a fan, and a supporter, yet i've never heard you support the team, or the manager, or the owners for that matter!
So, you can buy the scarfs, shirts and season tickets, but until you truely start to suppport the team you will always be the biggest hypocrite in a stadium that holds 45,000.
You never have anything positive to say here, so why would you be any different in person?
I don't care for your opinions, and when you post on my comments its baiting and looking for an arguement.
Call me a girl all you like, but the search function confirms you are a whining, little girl who throws her toys out of the pram when things don't go her way!
Honestly, you start a new thread just to argue with me, and are getting posts deleted for abuse?
Great fan!
I won't be replying again, I don't like to feed the trolls!
22 Feb 2013 10:05:08
Ha ha ha, dear me daveyboy, your blinded by hatred lad, I have posted plenty of positive posts straight after the game, about Rodgers and players but you will gloss over them to fit your argument. People like you are what's wrong with MY LOCAL TEAM. I suggest you go and support YOUR LOCAL TEAM, oh no wait you can't do that can you, you don't like spending your money, but it won't stop you hiding behind your laptop criticising people who do.
And seeking you out to argue, don't flatter yourself lad, there's plenty of your posts i've blanked but when you slag people who go the game when you don't your going to get a response off me.
Anything else you post I will bypass because your a quilt lad, al leave you to jeremy kyle now so you can relax in your armchair in peace.
Waro
22 Feb 2013 11:13:49
Hmm, see that's an assumption based on what exactly?
I'm a member of Lfc. tv and pay my yearly subscriptions. I own about 7 shirts (including one from the 80's) and me and my 2 sons get the away shirt every year, as well as the home shirt every 2 years!
I have resonsabilitys, and can't get to Anfield. Sue me!
Not all born with a silver spoon you know!
Tell ya what, why don't Anfield bar the doors to all those not Scouse? Would that make you happy?
You are a walking contradiction Dave, " I won't be replying again, I don't like to feed the trolls! " Yet here you are a few hours later REPLYING!
You have a yearly subscription to L. F. C. and you and your lads get the away shirts every two years ( I've never bought a replica shirt for myself in my life, so your one up on me there Dave, but I bought/buy the kits for my two sons, well one now as my oldest lad has grown out of his footy kits phase ), now even you can't argue that that is a relativly modest yearly outlay, which the majority of fans can afford and probably do? So do you feel this investment you put in qualifys you to slag off me and people like me who spend thounsands of pounds going to support the team ( a question i've asked you before but not got an answer )?
And the assumptions you make are truely staggering, how do you know I don't sing shout scream and give my support at the match? I sit in the Upper Centenary and anybody who goes the match will tell you that that is not a section that continually sing and there are differen't people sitting around you game on game so there is no fan continuity, so apart from my mate and a few seats either side of me there is no rapport between the fans there because they change every home game, but that still doesn't deter me from trying to gee the players up and sing along with the Kop when they get going.
Also the silver spoon reference, I am born and bread Scotland Road which is one of the most deprived neighbourhoods in Liverpool, but from the age of 16 I have got off my arse and grafted, improving my jobs as I have gone along, Knowbody has ever given me anything, I have always battled for it and luckily have always kept myself in work and although i'm on decent money now i'm not well off, so paying out for football is getting harder to justify!
I'm sure you will do what you always do and cherry pick parts of my post that you feel you can twist to suit your own agenda, but I have answered a few of your assumptions so there is a non abusive post for you to mull over!
Waro
p. s. DAVE I won't be able to reply for a while as i'm just off to put my Ferrari in for a service, my wallets to small for my 50's and my diamond shoes are to tight.
22 Feb 2013 13:31:45
Anything else you post I will bypass because your a quilt lad, al leave you to jeremy kyle now so you can relax in your armchair in peace.
waro
(Pot) Hi kettle, you know your black right?
No but seriously, Fan who don't have access to Anfield (damn kids keep needing shoes and clothes and stuff), they do anything to feel connected to the club.
I simply cannot afford to travel 4 and a half hours to get there, let alone the other costs.
My initial point was, that fans who get to go 40 odd times a year, won't put in as much to the atmosphere as someone making their first pillgramage. If that's incorrect in your opinion let's talk about that, rather than telling me i'm a walkng contradiction.
Honestly, you are so priviledged to have the opportunity to go, and yes, i'm insanely jealous.
With regards to the negativity, the majority of your posts are digs at the owner, or pops at other posters, so yes i've based my assumption on the majority of your posts, rather than the few!
Do I feel entitled to slag people who spend thousands off for not creating the atmosphere we are famous for? The truth is it's jealousy, and I wish so bad that the people who are able to attend would realise just how lucky they are, to be able to watch the team week in, week out.
But, I do pay money for my team, and as tesco says 'Every little helps'. If teams only had enough fans to fill a stadium, there would be big trouble. So yes, I do feel entitled. In much the same way you as a paying customer and lifelong LFC have your entitlement to disagree. (Worth pointing out this could have become a rational debate, rather than an argument)
Truth be told, I don't know if an increase in season tickets has helped to cause this atmosphere (or lack of). It was an opinion, you could have said 'I don't think that's correct, and heres why'. But again, 'Theory' 'Entitled'
Call me an armchair fan all you like, but let me tell you if Haverfordwest F. C was in the premier league and you followed them, you wouldn't like me throwing my season ticket in your face. You spend more money, that's what separates up, and that's all that separates us. Have I been thorough enough? Or cherry picked what I can argue with?
P. S The Chandler Bing reference is quite fitting, as like him, I think everything you say is funny!
22 Feb 2013 14:02:22
As I said your entitled to your opinion on thr manager players and owners, but giving advice then criticism on something you have never done won't fly with me and I will always call you out on it, I am actually starting to think your blame of the fans at the ground is to excuse/mask any deficances of the owners or manager or individual players.
Sadly I don't think your a poster I can converse with on here as our opinions are to diverse to find a common ground. So its probably best to agree to disagree and not reply to each others posts in future.
Waro
That was a crackin read that, keep it going boys.
Can't FowlerisGod, it looks like Dave blinked first!
Waro
22 Feb 2013 18:47:06
You are way off base buddy. Funny how you accuse me of cherry picking, yet choose what parts of posts you choose to reply too!
Still, you are the pot calling the kettle black, so it shouldn't surprise me that certain things sail right over your head!
The deficances and flaws in the team are well documented, I don't need to over-compensate by arguing with you!
Probaly best we don't reply to each others posts?
Sounds like your saying 'leave my posts alone' quite like you said to Lyndon not to reply to any of your posts, yet you criticize me for saying it?
And as for atmosphere, answer me this.
If you, as a fan are as vocal as you claim, why is it that your not unhappy with the level of noise from areas of the ground?
Surely somebody as 'vocal' as yourself would be disgusted at the lack of enthusiasm by your fellow fans?
And I never implied it was the fans fault the team isn't doing brilliantly, maybe you should have read the OP?
What I said was, if the fans did the job they did years ago, Brendan Rodgers wouldn't have to come out and plead for some noise.
Tell me that statement is incorrect, and explain why. Otherwise, you have no argument!
You criticize me for replying after I said I wouldnt, but no mention of your reply after saying you wouldn't?
I have made valid arguments to all the points you put across. You fail to have given me the same.
Talk about cherry picking, yet you choose what to reply too, If you ask me your the one who's reaching!
Glad to see you've dropped your 'Local team rant', noticed you were clutching at straws?
My local team has proffited plently from me I assure you. But that's not convinient for you is it? Better to ignore it!
FSG It, i'm out. I feel like banging my head against a brick wall!
All reds fans should stick up for one another we share a common interest and love but we all have opinions so please remember red from cradle to grave ynwa red mick tag
Dave I wouldn't know were to start trying to answer your last mad rant of a post, it's all over the place and shows your angry, try and compose yourself son and you may come across with a little more clarity, so i'm not going to try and sieve through it, insted I will just say this go to Anfield and be a Liverpool supporter, no if's no buts just GO! There are people who travel thousands of miles to get to Anfield, save up for years, in other words they make the effort, your love for Liverpool that you imply in your posts dosen't extend to going and showing your support to the team! Save a pound a day, put it in a jar £365 would get you from were you live and a ticket no problem!
You can hide behind as many excuses you like but if you really want something you can achieve it, let's have it right, you live down the road compared to some supporters, but you just can't be bothered!
So to sum up, NO you can't have an opinion on how we should show our support at the match because you have never made the effort to go the game and are never likely to judging by your posts. I'm sure your local team Haverfordwest could do with your support so make the effort to get to there games, or is your excuse to there supporters that the bus route only comes within a third of a mile of your laptop on your armchair and that's way out of reach! Said it before and i'll say it again YOU'VE GOT NOTHING TO SAY AND YOUR SAYING IT TO LOUDLY!
Waro
Come on Ed's put these two fervent fans together! They obviously need to meet face to face and look each other in the eye. From the texts they have loads of common ground especially the love of LFC. It'll either be love at first sight of a punch up!
Liverno1 {Ed001's Note - they are clearly flirting, the sexual tension is evident.}
21 Feb 2013 23:27:14
Very proud of the team. ynwa
21 Feb 2013 23:24:58
We didn't go through, but was so proud of the lads tonight. I really thought that the knid of atmosphere at the game and commitment shown by the players was top class, I thought the traits shoen by the crowd and players had died long ago. Well done to all, we are on the right track and went down honorably.
Anonymous woolback
It's an honourable profession going down like that - ask any lady of the night
21 Feb 2013 23:24:30
I think we was unlucky tonight; I think the players gave their all - tempo was amazing and to score 3 after being 1-0 (3-0 on agg) down was great.
I think BR and the team deserve a lot of credit for tonight; some of the passing was great.
I think Lucas was immense; not only covering but little dink balls over the top to players in space - absolute class display (prob his best this year - hopefully he's at full peak fitness now).
I think Enrique was awful against West Brom but he put in a good performance as did Henderson and Allen; subs may seem strange but the tempo we was playing its not surprising we had to swap players.
Suarez's 2nd goal is one for the memory; a little diappointed in the ref - their CB must have fouled Suarez about 6 times and didn't get a yellow but hey ho.
A couple more good signings in the summer and we just might be surprised at what we're capable of next year.
Hoola
Agreed; lucas had a great game
thought allen was much better playing in a more advanced role
Yeah Suarez's ankles must be in bits today with the kicking he got.
21 Feb 2013 23:22:20
Gutted! BUT
In some ways tonights match was good as there's so much to learn from.
-Players learning to improve and step up for the club. Grew some balls!
-Rodgers is learning every game and think this one will be very important in his managerial career!
-PLUS maybe 'fans' can now learn to SUPPORT the manager and the players. Anfield was awesome! Some fans here need to look at the bigger picture.
There will be many more bad days BUT that's part of the learning curve and progression!
From this loss Rodgers will learn a lot and in the future mend these problems.
You learn more from a loss than a win!
Plus with Sturridge and Coutinho the team is going to be stronger immedietly!
YNWA
F5
21 Feb 2013 23:20:40
The dumb epl and their fixtures our players were so tired towards the end, no need slating carra he won't sleep this night
Was disappointed with johnson he didn't give us the usual width down the right only downing was working his socks off over there. Liverpool kept scaring the crap out of me anytime they were passing from the back, and why did he bring on shelvey?suso would have been a better option than him
I really don't know why we had to wait till this game to play like our season depended on it, we could be in top4 if we played like this.
Suarez face after the game was heartbreaking, just hope we can hold on to him for at least 1 more year. What a footballer
Now brendan can focus on getting us 5th spot to qualify for europa don't think we can make top4 any longer
21 Feb 2013 23:13:07
Great performance, blah blah. Didn't get the result we needed. Great character etc etc. don't get me wrong we played well for most of the game but messed up over there and always a massive ask. Rodgers subs are my biggest concern and not just tonight, but why oh why take Allen off. Team lost it's fluidity. Stupid subs at a stupid time. Cost us big time. Yeah this is negative but we are out and I am a bit gutted.
21 Feb 2013 23:10:18
The lads showed real heart, intent, fight and passion tonight. If they play like that for every game then results will definitely get better. Come on let's get behind the team and help them build on this performance.
Remember - YNWA
21 Feb 2013 23:09:51
What a night and this comment is taking nothing away from the effort. proud of the team and every player. But the difference was the bench.
Allen and Henderson were shattered. so we bring in youngsters that are yet to prove their quality.
Chelsea bring on Hazard who scores the winner.
They could not have been shattered. There was a 32 and 35 year old that stayed on the pitch. Hendo and Allen are in their early 20s.
Anyway, what's the point? Seriously pi##ed off. Nothing else to say.
The Irish Rover
Hendo and Allen did all the closing down first half.
21 Feb 2013 23:09:33
Was really starting to get annoyed with Suarez set pieces before this game, but now I have to concur. Every Liverpool fan is very proud and i'm hoping the players realize that too. We're definitely on the up and i'm hoping that the "sack Brendan Rodgers" brigade are coming to their senses! Bring on Wigan!
21 Feb 2013 23:07:08
So pleased to read so many positive and happy comments tonight despite the result. More of this please people.
Ali, london red.
21 Feb 2013 23:05:07
Great performance, unfortunate with the result - in many respects representative of our season: good attacking play but let down by defensive mistakes, if we cut them out we will be doing a hell of a lot better. I have a lot of faith in the team and Rodgers, I think next season could be a really good one for us.
Think it's imperative we keep Suarez but to be honest I can't see him staying - he is absolute class and is in his prime, he deserves to be playing at the very top level and he's going to have to wait for a few years to do that with Liverpool. Will be very saddening but I'd wish him all the best - he has been immense, every player should take notes of his work ethic and commitment to the team when he plays.
SMc
21 Feb 2013 23:01:32
I want to say a big thankyou to all the fans inside Anfield tonight. Even when we went 3-0 down on aggregate and the game seemed away from us, the place was rocking! Really restored my faith in the Liverpool faithful, let's keep it going till the end of the season.
oseans
21 Feb 2013 22:53:57
Forget signings in the summer-invest any spare cash in paying Suarez double!
DJ
22 Feb 2013 06:19:16
Short memory. Last week he couldn't hit a barn door that's why we didn't have an away goal.
I think the second poster has a short memory, 1 game last week he messed up but all through the season he carried us. Highest scorer!
Ashy
21 Feb 2013 22:47:39
I though we we're brilliant tonight. The performance by Suarez was out of this world. I got that special euro night feel from the first goal. If we had only converted one of the many chances in Russia. I thought Assaidi was great and a constant threat, hopefully he's given more games. I feel very confident for the future especially when we were missing Sturridge, continho and borini. Carry that belief on boys YNWA
21 Feb 2013 22:47:27
Great performence tonight overall. As if we didn't know Suarez is a magician nothing short of magic that man.
Was delighted to see a solid and classy performance from Allen will do his confidence no harm some fantastic touches in and around the box the same applies for Henderson. That weighted ball back to Enrique was flawless.
Downside was we are the architects of our own destruction when passing around the back time and again players get isolated or the pitch gets narrow due to pressure put on by opposing team just not enough outlets/movement.
Downing was better but still don't see him being the answer he is good to a point but lacks that hunger or desire needed nothing against him would love to be proved wrong but think we need an alternative.
Bulmer
21 Feb 2013 22:42:00
You know what disgusts me? If/When Suarez does leave I really can't hate him, call him every name under the s*n cause I can't even blame him for wanting more! I want more! I hated and still do dispise Torres, couldn't see why he would need to leave to do better. To me everything could be won at Liverpool. Now its a bit harder to see. I support the team, not anyone player or manager or owner, but i'm looking forward (optomistically) to some better times again.
21 Feb 2013 22:37:44
After carra made his last mark on the europa league I though f**k we are in trouble than louis suares had his words we were on the ways to the next round but then the gaffa made his changes and all flat for LFC, the changes seems to have worked better for the russians, why change it! When its not broken branden.
It is a shame we couldn't play all our players because they were cup tied we would have made the last 16 for sure, very entertaining game and the crowd have helped, now onwards and upwards in the league we have nothing else to play for sort it out BR.
Happy to see asaidi back he needs games.
abbs
21 Feb 2013 22:28:51
Just taken me bird out for a meal, playing footsie under the table
I got lasagne, she got toed in the hole!
Unlucky tonight lads
YNWA
21 Feb 2013 22:31:48
Proud of the team. The fans were unreal. That atmosphere for the prem games and a lot of teams will crumble.
bad mistake by carragher but that aside played a good game and is a Liverpool legend. Please don't slate him guys. He deserves far better than that.
We won a game 3 1 against a very good side.
Well done boys.
Suarez is an absolute genius. I'm praying we keep this guy. I think there's a solid chance. Its clear his heart is in the club but he will have a tough decision to make in the Summer. Hope he goes with his heart and not his head.
Davey Sulls
There a poor siderbar hulk and witsel and maybe danny.
Hulk and Witsel were both very good tonight, but then so then should be for £60M plus.
Our performance was excellent in effort and very good in skill; just wish we could cut down a bit on the complex passing out of defence because we get closed down too often for it to be comfortable. Sometimes defenders just have to put their foot through the ball. Lucas was immense tonight, as was Dagger and Carra - that ball was spinning so badly you could see what was going to happen, just very unlucky it fell to Hulk. The crowd did their part too, for once you could actually hear us all through the match and loudest when we conceded.
The team made me proud tonight - to win and then go out on away goals was just pure unlucky. let's just make sure we're in it next year.
ND
21 Feb 2013 22:27:45
Can't fault the lads tonight they gave everything. Just ran out of steam and a bit unlucky. The timing and the substitutions left me scratching my head would have been better keeping Henderson on who was full of running. Anyway I've been critical of the reds lately but when we play with the desire like tonight even though we went out it makes you proud to be a red. If only we could show that desire everyweek or have another 10 Luis Suarez's we'd be fine. Anyway onwards and upwards hopefully
LIVERLAD
21 Feb 2013 22:27:27
Gutted we didn't win but what the boys did do was play with pride and passion.
Great performance just couldn't get over the finishing line.
On the downside Shelvey, what is he doing in a Liverpool shirt. Don't rate him at all, never have.
Brendan obviously sees something in him. Hopefully I am proved wrong. Would rather Adam Morgan been given a chance.
Keep the faith my friends keep the faith. Yes we are out now out but look on the bright side, with other teams above us going through are now having to play more games. 4th place up for grabs me thinks.
Shelvey is one for the future but has to remember when a legitimate tackel is ON or NOT and giving away dangerous free kicks or disrupting attacks. Some of his challenges are ridiculous.
Liverno1
21 Feb 2013 22:27:19
Why does Brendan Rodgers take players off when they playing well? I'm not a big fan of joe Allen but he was having one of his better games and took him off for shelvey who is never a Liverpool player, then he took hendo off which he was playing well and downing who I thought was having a good game, I just don't get his subs, we didn't need to make them subs as we were lookin like scoring all the time but for the last 25mins we went flat again after the subs
Downing was injured.
He put Shelvey on for more physical presence in the box (and he nearly scored).
He put Assaidi on for his pace/hunger.
Henderson had a knock.
"He put Shelvey on for more physical presence in the box" is that Estate Agent speak for large immobile lump.
21 Feb 2013 22:26:01
Gutted
can't fault the performance at all. I do find the way we mess about with the ball at the back ridiculous. We go through comfortably tonight if we had sturridge and coutinho. hopefully in the summer we can get the strength in depth we need and we'll be well away.
Also backed Liverpool to win 4-1 - Gutted
21 Feb 2013 22:25:52
any doubters out there should not call themselves supporters. we have a young side improving all the time. with only more to come. more signings in the summer will have us fighting next year. to all those who believe, believe in br's master plan, patience and time.
rodges brain
21 Feb 2013 22:19:41
Assaidi and shelvey seriously!? Assaidi not played since nov u joking me keep the players that have got us that close to winning line and take off when stop making chances it wasnt bringing on players of same level as on field mental!
He played in the ACON last month
21 Feb 2013 22:10:27
One person to blame for that result. Brendan Rodgers. The teams in the ascendancy, they get back to just one goal needed. The momentum is with Liverpool and then, and then, and then Jonjo **ck*** Shelvy and some bloke who's not played since my gran went to school. Jonjos contribution, one yellow card. Also, without Sturridge ( I know he's not eligible) we never really looked like scoring from open play. A bit like early season. Set pieces and free kicks and penalties' the main threat. On the whole, good attitude, again poor defending and wrong decision making from BR.
Stu the Red.
The game played a week ago lost us this tie, not tonight.
derryred
Blame for that result? We won 3-1.
I admit the subs didn't do anything but we can't complain about winning 3-1 after going a goal down, they way we did.
Rigsby.
I though Assaidi looked lively and a threat when he came on, put in a few good crosses and won us a freekick on the edge of the box, wasnt a bad performance at all, just didn't get the result in russia
21 Feb 2013 22:23:54
Great game tonight. I can live with going out of a cup as long as passion and determination is shown. If only we'd had Sturridge available we'd have gone through no problem.
Think it was wrong to bring on both Shelvey & Assaidi just after the 3rd as we were flying. Spoilt the momentum and Zenit came back into the game.
21 Feb 2013 22:20:57
Just wasn't meant to be, I'm so proud of us tonight! Great performance apart from carraghers back pass but again I think that sums up our season really. Mistakes in defence! Suarez was absolutely gutted at the end, I hope and pray he does stay in summer because Liverpool is a special club and tonight proved it! You'll never walk alone boys, keep your heads up and fight until the end of the season!
Ack17 with a liverbird upon my chest
JFT96
YNWA
21 Feb 2013 22:20:56
We may be out of the competition which is unfortunate, but overall I'm pleased with the performance tonight. The team as a whole showed drive and determination which is all I think we can really ask for.
Also, just want to say the supporters in the stands were absolutely brilliant. Wish Anfield sounded like that every game!
21 Feb 2013 22:20:19
Proud of you Liverpool. Brendan and the players deserve our support.
How can anyone disagree with that?
21 Feb 2013 22:20:14
What a fantastic enjoyable performance tonight we where very unlucky we all should have our heads high, but only Shelvey hit the target.
Lfc fan from cardiff
Is the target the side netting?
21 Feb 2013 22:19:35
Obviously a bit gutted to go out of europe but its not the end of the world. I really believe in Rodgers and this group of players with a few alterations in defence in the summer and a bit more time playing together we can achieve a lot. I am very proud tonight and let's get as many points as we can now in the league now.
21 Feb 2013 22:19:32
Amazing performance! Shame our result couldn't match the desire that each of the players have shown today.
21 Feb 2013 22:17:00
3 words jose enrique class!
21 Feb 2013 22:16:02
Lfc fans need to stop cussin and start supporting and i'm included in this,,
Great performance today jus got tired at the end but I would say if we keep suarez buy a few more experienced players wel do well next season
Give rodgers 1 more season fans cussin shelvey and couple others listen as a 20 year old playin in front of kop how many of u could do it lol
Get behind Liverpool
Ynwa
Basy
21 Feb 2013 22:29:52
Brilliant performance, everybody working the socks off, real team spirit, "How good is Suarez!" skill, awareness, totally comitted footballer.
The game was lost over there.
We've just battered one of the better teams in Europe 3-1.
We are definitely on the up, I know that's been said on numerous occasions over the last how many years but I can just feel it!
This is the real deal; with this Manager and the squad were now putting together, we will challenge.
Well said kidmillions. there's only one way under rodgers and that up. patience and time.
rodges brain
21 Feb 2013 22:29:49
The most dangerous Zenit looked in attack was when we had the ball in defence.
And why when we have the initiative did we take off 2 players who were playing really well?
The simple truth is though once again we did not get the result, and without Suarez it would have been a lot worse. And there lies the big problem, he is the only real world class player still at his peak age wise in the team, but who thinks he will be at Anfield next season? Like torres before him, Top players at that age do not expect to spend years in a team that is rebuilding. This is no knee jerk reaction, tonight was just one more game, let's move onto the next, I was just wondering Ed02 do you rate it any better than 50/50 that Suarez will be gone next season?
21 Feb 2013 22:29:21
Proud to be a Liverpool fan. What a player Luis Suarez
21 Feb 2013 22:23:38
The lads gave it their all and that's all we can ask for as fans. Maybe we lacked a bit of quality on the bench but that speaks volumes as to where we are at the minute. If we had an atmosphere like that at every home game there is no doubt we would be higher up the league table so we can't blame everything on the players and manager this season.
21 Feb 2013 22:10:26
I'm gutted. Great performance, but we left ourselves with too much to do. However perhaps we should look at the positives from this game. All this is good experience for the younger players in the future. Its in my opinion that one has to go through failure and disappointment in order to be a success in the long term (if that makes sense). We now have a short break, let's stay positive and hope that this level of performance can be maintained for our last 11 remaining games.
El Pi**edolero
Voice of reason
21 Feb 2013 22:05:46
Hi eds, reds.
Lets go and play like that for the rest of the season and aim for as high up the league ad possible. We have been outstanding tonight. Some fool posted earlier that carra and downing should go off? What game are you watching? One miss placed backpass that's all they had. To be honest I am getting sick off coming on the site and reading some so called fans slating the manager the team and FSG. Thought we were supposed to stick together. YNWA
Jamesy
Agree, it doesn't half do my head in
21 Feb 2013 22:14:30
Very disappointed but also very proud
21 Feb 2013 22:14:25
BTW, MOANERS stay away, it was a great effort, no ones sugar coating that we have the best squad in the world nut it showed what great character we have and when we do match that with Enough quailty we will be great again#
Shut up to posters whinging like dogs in heat'
YNWA
21 Feb 2013 22:14:20
If I was replacing two players tonight it would have been hendo and allen but surely brendan should have let the impact of the goal kick in rather than bringing on players not up to the speed if the game makes no sense what so ever!
21 Feb 2013 22:13:39
any one else think this tic tac messin about around are own box costs us all the time how many times again tonight did we nearley gift them a goal and it seems to happen every game I was always brought up with the hoof it clear if you aren't shore we just have this habbit of pass pass pass mess up come on guys was a brill night tonight but I definitely think rogers needs to rethink on this tic tac play from the back rite outside the 6 yard box its proved already its dangerous
Big Sam you forgot to sign off.
derryred
Kick and run= skill level zero!
Liverno1
21 Feb 2013 22:13:35
damm what a shame what match!
great effort by the lads especially suarez and lucas top notch good desire and passion both fans and players However again question marks over rodgers decisions
21 Feb 2013 22:12:43
Imagine if we play like how we did tonight in the EPL for the remainder of this season, what damage we could do to teams,
I really am convinced that we are on the right track, come on guys, keep up this form,
But BR, please get rid of shelves and put carrager on early retirement
21 Feb 2013 22:11:59
Defensive mistakes again arrrgh! Killing me this year.
Feel for Carra, he knows that was the difference tonight.
21 Feb 2013 22:11:46
I usually only post when we lose or draw so I have something to complain about, but I am really pleased with tonight's performance and result - even thought it's bitterly disappointing to go out on away rule.
Thought we should have had a Penalty for the handball, but I also think it might have been harsh; as the culprit clearly had his arms moving away from the ball.
If only we played like that in the EPL week in/out we'd be flying :P
SR (StrabaneRed)
21 Feb 2013 22:10:31
Great effort tonight Luis was superb
We played like we wanted it
21 Feb 2013 22:09:43
No matter what Liverpool played brilliantly. Ref didn't gv the penalty twice. But credit to everyone excellent guys.
Gr8 1
21 Feb 2013 22:09:38
Fantastic game, but again our mistakes cost us like they did in the first leg. Played a good team right off the park, beat them to a pulp, just couldn't find that one extra goal.
It was a pleasure to see the fight in our players and Suarez's passion, if he stays in the summer we can be reassured that he truly loves our club. His second freekick was the closest thing to perfect. Again, I feel like Sturridge being able to play would have made the world of difference, though Assaidi played well from what we were able to see of him.
Not a negative comment, but a 'satisfying loss' if that's even possible.
ChrisMiz
21 Feb 2013 22:09:27
Suarez almost made up for his poor performance in the first leg, if only he had put 1 away in Russia. Unluck Jamie. Last European night and 1 to remember.
21 Feb 2013 22:09:19
Baffling substitutions. We were on the offensive looking likely to take control of the game then he brings Shelvey on. Why oh why? Henderson was playing ok as was Joe Allen.
I was hoping Shelvey was warming up because it was cold not to come on the pitch.
Sometimes you just got to leave things alone if the team is playing well Mr Rodgers!
Steve068
Its easy to say things in hindsight. I thought Assaidi played well. let's give Rodgers lots of praise for tonight.
21 Feb 2013 22:00:20
Carrager is an embarrassment, he may have been good at one stage of his career but he has let us down on so many big games. I can't wait for the end of this season and I don't get to see his useless name on the squad sheet
Are you having a laugh mate? U obviously know nothing about football,
You're a disgrace. Tell me. What have you done with your life.
Carragher is a professional footballer has won every possible club trophy bar the premiership, has been a stallworth to the Liverpool defence, and has given his absolute all for this club.
Now crawl back under your rock, you worm and don't ever come back out.
I suspect you are a fan of another club but your remarks still make you a worm of a person.
Davey Sulls
21 Feb 2013 22:37:18
Jesus Christ! What rubbish u 'person'. How can u have such disrespect for a club lengend? Those mistakes happen, other than that the man gives his all. And I'm not even a L'pool fan, but I love the club all the same.
There are no words that describe the lack of interest or respect I have for you or your post! Go 'support' Man City
Dex
Muppet he made a mistake but alsohad a great game these things happen if everyone wa perfect all of the time there would be no goals.
Kopping a feel
There is only 1 embarrassment round here and that us you and your pathetic comment. We don't need fans like you. Jamie is a legsnd and will be missed by all true Liverpool fans, of which you are not.
You are not a fan-do us all a favour and go and 'support' another team!
I bet you were not thinking that when he was throwing his body on the line in Instanbul.
The Irish Rover
Good job you are anonynous. Carragher has been a top player for LFC for so long and for you not to realise what he has done for the club and his charity work that your post is ignorant and shows a lack of respect for one of our greatest players.
Liverno1
21 Feb 2013 22:08:43
Painful lack of urgency at the end. However, that was a top performance, well pleased with the way we played.
Allen looked like he had something to prove, Enrique was brilliant and it was nice to see Asaidi (Id forgotten what he looked like!).
Good news is we can crack on climbing the PL table while Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal flap about in Europe.
21 Feb 2013 22:08:26
Did Robbie just say 'oh squeeze me' when he coughed. Funny!
21 Feb 2013 22:07:37
oh dear carra. this was not the way you should have ended your european career.
now let's at least win the rest of the PL games! :)
LFCopenhagen
21 Feb 2013 22:06:47
Good effort by us tonight but we made it difficult after the first leg.
Out of all competitions now so that's the end of the season, just a slight hope we get 6th but will be tough with our chronic inconsistency which doesn't look like going away anytime soon.
21 Feb 2013 22:06:13
Suare is an absolute genius. FACT!
21 Feb 2013 22:05:33
Imo shelvey and sterling nt yet ready or good enough for our first team they need a loan! A fail too see how people could say how shelvey is next gerrard:s! Downing decent player but only for a squad player he's not a match winner! Good performance tonight lots of desire and heart shown by players! Agger and lucas and suarez were class! For first team in summer a top cb and winger who scores and creates r vital, then build around them with squad players! Stupid mistake has cost us once again!
21 Feb 2013 22:04:46
We didn't deserve to go out tonight how the referee only seen the need to add three minutes I don't know. Could have had a penalty early in the match but no point making excuses. We were fantastic tonight, the lads gave it there all and I am proud of them! Unlucky lads, especially Carragher who I'm sure will have a few sleepless nights! Couldn't ask any more of the lads tonight, played with real class and showed everyone what we are capable of. I was hoping it would be another night to remember, but Rodgers just didn't have that Irish luck to get us the win. Hard luck lads, play like that from now on and we will be top 4 in no time! Also good to see Anfield rocking tonight, you can see what it has done for the players' confidence!
You'll Never Walk Alone!
Cheers,
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 22:04:16
the scary thing is it took to very good free kicks to give us a chance what will happen if we loose suarez when we can only finish top 10 with him he is priceless to us
21 Feb 2013 22:04:10
Ok so now we are out but we played very well but lost our way in the final 10 minutes lacked urgency. Anybody else notice that Neto played as though he was a Stoke player, he was one dirty fouling person who should have been sent off. I am not going to make any excuses Zenit took there chances at home and scored at Anfield.
It was good get a home win against a good European side but shame we never scored the crucial fourth.
I still believe that the future is red.
Keep the faith YNWA!
They were shattered. incredible performance but never looked like scoring in open play.
21 Feb 2013 22:04:04
Heartbroken for the lads passion desire everything that's connected to be a LFC Player great to see played really well some Liverpool fans on here give up hope to easy mark my words we will be a force next year I culdnt make it tonite atmosphere brill fair play let's be like that every game JON96 YNWA
21 Feb 2013 22:03:39
Ten seconds left and we're playing like persons around the penalty box, what a bunch of persons. Couldn't care less that we're out.
It pains me to watch that, we don't even look comfortable doing it
21 Feb 2013 22:03:12
rogers has single handed lost us this game with his stupid subs rediculous we were hammering them and then he takes off arguebly are best players allen welldone tonight and hendo for utter rubish the downing for downing instead of lucas we needed a goal the blame tonight lays with him but a big hats off to the first eleven brilliant then they were let down rogers keeps showing us he just doesn't no what he is doing
mike
21 Feb 2013 22:03:10
Absolutely gutted! The players put everything in tonight. couldn't have asked for more. only criticism- hendo was playing well i'd have left him in the middle instead of shelvey so soon
21 Feb 2013 22:03:06
Great effort from the lads tonight and Magnificant atmosphere. and support inside anfield. Sadly we missed that extra bit of quality to win it.
I will say it again, our defence needs sorted in the summer but we need another goalscorer no doubht.
YNWA and we will be great again#
21 Feb 2013 22:02:53
We can concentrate on getting fourth spot now!
Nostrwawigus
21 Feb 2013 22:02:28
Shelvey has been given so many chances and he's wasted them I honestly would have kept on Henderson instead of bringing on Shelvey he's let the team down so many times. Assaidi was good though it was a thrilling game we could have won it if not for that misplaced pass by Carragher but that's football for you. still a strong performance.
AndyKopLiverpool
21 Feb 2013 22:02:23
Fair dos almost the great escape Enrique was awesome potential vice captain after carra retires, Allen had his best game so we sub him for shelvey?
Suarez was amazing and Lucas starting to look the man again
If only Sturridge and Coutinho hadn't been cup tied. Next season is looking promising if we can just tighten up the defence
21 feb 2013 22:02:10
oh wow eff the europa league. i think i speak for most liverpool fans by saying what a game by the boys and fantastic atmosphere! liverpool liverpool liverpool!
21 Feb 2013 22:02:06
Sometimes you just need to cheer, clap and say well done boys. No time for criticism, the boys played their hearts out. BR substituted well to keep legs in the team and we nearly did the impossible.
Well done and bad luck
21 Feb 2013 22:01:56
I know we didn't manage it the end, but that was some f##king performance. Proud of all the team tonight!
Paul R
21 Feb 2013 22:01:42
Unlucky boys. I would say taking Henderson and downing off - Henderson in particular, was a bit premature - we lost some intensity after that. Assiadi did ok but what a massive gamble?
YNWA
Gazman
21 Feb 2013 22:01:34
fantastic effort lads. despite what doubters may say. I believe we are on the right track. already excited for next season.
21 Feb 2013 22:01:33
WHAT A PERFORMANCE BY THE BOYS! All I can say is I'm proud of being a Liverpool fan. Magnificent spirit and had we had that little touch of creativity in the centre of the park, we'd have knocked Zenit out.
All in all a masterclass in grit and determination and to those who come out with the 'play-for-the-shirt' banner every weekend, I think this is what you guys must've wanted to see.
Really feel for Carra and Suarez though. Can't imagine what ol' Carra must be going through!
Thouroughly entertaining and heart-stopping 90 mins
YNWA
21 Feb 2013 22:01:14
I knew we wouldn't do it, let's face it we have one good player and it was only for his 2 worldclass freekicks that we stood a chance, everyone will come on now praising rodgers saying he's now good and just needs time, well for me nothing has changed, his signings have ruined us further and anyone who tells me i'm not a real fan and to go support city can shove it because I've been a season ticket holder all my life, i'm 39 and still have lfc wallpaper. worst season I can rememeber and have nothing to play for now, for suarezs sake I hope he moves on but for the good of the club we wouldn't even be a premier league team without him
Totally agree br cost us this match with stupid subs. Positives tonight were Suarez Enrique Lucas and the fans take a bow you deserve it
21 Feb 2013 22:00:57
Very good effort and Brendan Rodgers will take us in the right direction. MATTYLFC
21 Feb 2013 22:00:24
Can't fault the effort tonight fantastic, we need to play like that in every game from now until the end of the season to experience European football next season and just maybe we might keep Suarez.
Curled1
21 Feb 2013 22:00:23
Not one word, and I mean not ONE word against Brendan and the boys tonight. They played their hearts out to a man and fell agonisingly short, but that was not for the lack of effort. Finally, they all showed pride in the shirt and pride in playing for LFC. Thank you, every one of you. Thank you.
YNWA
fishyred
21 Feb 2013 21:59:53
Just like my kids. Love Liverool but they always break my heart
21 Feb 2013 21:58:53
Mistake to bring on Sterling, we needed finishing ability, and he doesn't have it.
21 Feb 2013 21:58:48
Over reliant on Suarez, if he leaves then relegation will become a reality!
Nostrawigus - the voice of reason
21 Feb 2013 21:58:40
We may have lost but we played amazing besides one mistake. Also at the end of the game you could see Suarez was almost in tears, I think he loves it here for sure.
21 Feb 2013 21:58:33
Before anyone starts spouting rubbish about our beloved team, so proud of our guys tonight, love our team with all my heart, we fought to the end.
YNWA
Super
21 Feb 2013 21:58:26
IF ANYONE criticizes the team performance today, you do not have any right to be called a Liverpool fan. The lads played with desire, with passion, a dire need. A wonderful performance. Anfield was roaring.
IF ANYTHING, Rodgers has reignited Anfield's spark.
I see the Golden Sky.
CodeRed
21 Feb 2013 21:58:13
one mistake one missed hand ball. small margins. very proud of that performance
21 Feb 2013 21:57:30
Can have too many complaints tonight, well done lads. Just a little too much to do YNWA
RedLee
21 Feb 2013 21:56:20
Out of time. b******* anyway!
Just r an out of steam and didn't have the options on the bench.
Well played Liverpool.
21 Feb 2013 21:53:51
Three minutes? Joke.
21 Feb 2013 21:51:18
Shelvey, not at the races, never has been.
Totally agree, that kid has become so poor it's untrue.
There was no need to make any changes at that time. Rodgers' lack of experience showed there.
redmersey
21 Feb 2013 21:50:09
Has anyone been keeping count of how many times Suarez has been fouled?
And all by Neto!
Paul R
LOADS. Mostly by the same player 'Netto' and he never got booked (5 or 6 fouls at least).
21 Feb 2013 21:47:18
If ever there is a need for ball boys, it's tonight!
Craig
21 Feb 2013 21:43:18
Subs - just wrong wrong wrong.
BR bad bad decision
Totally agree
mike
Carragher - wrong decision!!!
So what subs would you have done then?
I woudnt say wrong just at the wrong time
K. O. B
Assaidi for hendo Was right right right
I would not of made any unless it was for injuries, we had them until the substitutions
21 Feb 2013 21:44:37
Anyone else's bum cheeks clench every time we play it around our own penalty area?
Just sayin'.
That is exactly what I do
21 Feb 2013 21:44:23
Regardless of how this ends. You cannot question the desire! Best I have seen us play for a long long time. GP29
100% with you on that - that's the desire I've been wanting to see for a long while.
We just need to replicate that every week, regardless of the situation/opposition.
;0)
21 Feb 2013 21:39:11
Shelvey couldn't score even if the goal posts were 50 yards apart - he's useless
21 Feb 2013 22:00:23
not as bad as Johnson. utter rubbish all night long. looked like he just couldn't be bothered
Been saying it for ages but I get slagged off. shelvey is abysmal. Seriously he is poor. Too slow. Can't tackle.
Neilp
I think you forgot his goals earlier in the season.
21 Feb 2013 22:32:18
Mate shelvey is still young and his not striker everytime blaming shelvey for lose is just foolish.
Kopite
21 Feb 2013 21:34:59
Don't get hopes up - we will still lose
You should go support someone else. Fool.
Fool?
Called it perfectly!
Nostrawigus
21 Feb 2013 21:32:12
The key to us winning this came is not sitting back if we score a 4th.
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 21:30:23
Brendan your subs baffle us at times, Shelvey & Assaidi really
I don't know if you noticed but Assaidi played well for the minutes he was on the pitch!
Didn't you see him take on 2 players down the left and whip a dangerous ball into the box?
SR (StrabaneRed)
TBH I would not have changed at that time. Starting 11 got 3 goals and in full flow, not the time to change and bring on 2 inexperienced youngsters. Should have waited for surge to ease before changing. Assaidi did well though.
Red Knight
What was wrong with assaidi? Did great when he came on
21 Feb 2013 21:29:37
I counted six rolls from Hulk after Shelveys challenge.
I counted another bad tackle by Shelley and more donkey antics and we lost momentum he's more suited to another code maybe St Helen's or Warrington might be interested?
21 Feb 2013 21:29:20
Suarez is unbelievable today. What a player 2 free kicks, second one was amazing. Unsure about substitutions but time will tell. Half an hour left we only need 1 more but I would feel a lot more comfortable if Agger played back in defence.
This could be the beginning of the Golden Sky.
Come on Reds, let's be having you.
Should have kept Hendo on and not brought on Jonjo.
Yeah he played great and will win stuff when he leaves you in the summer.
21 Feb 2013 21:26:47
what a game lucas is having
21 Feb 2013 21:24:44
For fecks sake he's warming Shelvy up.
21 Feb 2013 21:23:17
History in the making maybe? To be honest I did not expect this!
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 21:22:39
I take that back. His feet are DEFINITELY working!
What a strike. and the passion! Come on!
If this was the Premier League I'd doubt us. but it's Europe, and we can ALWAYS win in Europe!
21 Feb 2013 21:21:40
Luis Suarez you know your a star!
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 21:20:59
Neto of Zenit - Jack Whitehall's long lost brother!
More like rasputin's.
21 Feb 2013 21:20:42
Suarez's feet not working the best tonight. Everything seems to be bouncing off him. If he starts laying off the ball instead of trying to beat people we'll be in!
21 Feb 2013 21:20:28
Get carra, Gerard and Downing off - they're playing useless
Was you watching the same match?
Ashy
You are a disgrace and watching a different game to me
21 Feb 2013 21:19:26
Zenit are getting to lucky for my liking. A rub of the green on our favour would be nice. As I speak Hulk has just taken a dive!
21 Feb 2013 21:14:46
Lucas has been outstanding
And that was handball
Jord
21 Feb 2013 21:13:57
Ref!
Penalty surely?
21 Feb 2013 21:11:58
I reckon we can still do this.
21 Feb 2013 21:09:37
If anyone is watching the game on 3e in Ireland did any of you notice the Zenit sub Fayzulin was called Vaseline by the commentator? Classic!
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 21:08:25
The negativity and piss poor attitude on here is incredible at times.
Let's go on and get the two goals we need! Carragher heads one in from a corner. ;)
21 Feb 2013 21:06:49
"I made a mistake, on reflection, in the FA Cup game. I probably had too much trust in the young players and picked too many of them at one time, and we got punished for that.
Picked the wrong side again too. Out of Europa too.
Time for BR to go.
Another Liverpool positive fn.
Unbelievable
Get back to playing FIFA 13
Mark
21 Feb 2013 21:06:35
Wetha we win or lose jus want to say
Lfc I love u
Allen well played soo far son
And brendan rodgers i'm sory u need time and we must give u time
YNWA
Basy
21 Feb 2013 21:06:00
Just put £20 on 4-1 with Carragher to get last goal. :)
21 Feb 2013 21:05:41
Henderson off for Assaidi, him running at there back four and I think they will panic.
Come on you Reds YNWA
Brave guy! Or just rich lol I only put a fiver on us to get through!
Londonred
21 Feb 2013 21:03:00
Come on!!
21 Feb 2013 21:02:46
It's absolute torture supporting Liverpool isn't it? But isn't that why we love it? Wouldn't swap it for anything!
El Pi**edolero
21 Feb 2013 21:01:12
Can definately see two more goals from us. Whether we can stop them scoring another is going to be the issue.
oseans
21 Feb 2013 21:00:59
Great attitude and committment by the boys.
Heads could have dropped but came back fighting.
What a second half we are in for.
Personally would like to see Downing on left and Henderson on right.
Good luck lads for second half.
21 Feb 2013 20:59:52
Not over yet lads.
Zenit showing nothing up front.
Alan
21 Feb 2013 20:59:00
Its a good thing carra is going
21 Feb 2013 20:58:46
Well anfield better be rocking second half. We really needed that goal from allen. let's go boys 4-1.
21 Feb 2013 20:56:45
If we can play in the first half the way we did in the second I think Zenit will drop back, Hulk will be taken off leaving them short up front. Hopefully we can get them 2 vital goals and go on and win it. As long as we don't do a Lyon and get complacent and sit back on our lead.
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 20:56:29
Common liverpoooool!
We know we can do this
21 Feb 2013 20:55:35
need people who can beat a player, we're practically playing with 5 cm and look a bit toothless in attack.
21 Feb 2013 20:55:13
I dunno if it makes a difference but it's 0230 here in India and I'm screaming at the top of my voice! I don't care who it is against us but we will show them that we are not going out without a fight! c'mon you Redmen!
YNWA
PS: They might have a Hulk but we have El Toro, El Pistolero and Captain Fantastic all on one team!
21 Feb 2013 20:53:28
My brain is going to break if we win this!
Noshbag
21 Feb 2013 20:52:50
2-1 at half time. Wouldn't have been my favorite scoreline but I'll take it!
21 Feb 2013 20:49:49
This is why you don't post before the game is over. All you no namers feel ashamed. Fair enough it's not over but don't start saying the game over yet. personic "fans" the same one slating Allen. You bunch of mugs now shut up and watch the game.
Londonred
Well said mate, was about to post something similar myself. Got to laugh at the so called fans saying 'Game Over'. Even if it was game over, do your job and support the team - win, lose or draw.
Echoing my sentiments there Londonred. Let's hope we come back all guns blazing!
YNWA
21 Feb 2013 20:48:07
Joe Allen!
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 20:48:06
Joe Allen seems to be playing well
. and now a goal!
Even if we don't win I'm made up for Joe. Keep it up son!
21 Feb 2013 20:42:45
Was hoping you may have the answer but I noticed Willian played for Anzi in the Europa league last week, having already played for shaktar in the champions league. Why is it that Sturridge and Balotelli can't play in Europe for another club?
Thanks in advance,
Merx {Ed002's Note - This has been done to death.}
Shaktar are still in the Champions League, Anzi never were and were only in the Europa League, therefore 2 different competitions. Sturridge was registered for Chelsea in the Champions League, but since they are now in the Europa League it's not possible for him to play for us. With regards to Balotelli, both City and Milan competed in the Champions League this year, so he can only be registered for one.
Irish Red
Apologies if I'm wrong, but I believe its because you can't play for 2 CL clubs in one season, but a club in the europa league can register one player who has played in the CL, providing they are still in the CL. As Shaktar are still in the CL, Willian is allowed to play in the europa league. However, Sturridge can't play in the europa league for us as chelsea are in the same competition, and mario cannot play for AC as he has played already for city in the CL.
Slightly confusing but I hope this can be understood!
El Pi**edolero
21 Feb 2013 20:42:14
We need to win by 3 no matter what. Suarez has scored but what about Agger winning that FK with skill.
I wrote this before Allen scored.
Scouse_Pride
21 Feb 2013 20:39:14
Get carra and downing off - both having mares,.
Also sell Suarez. use the money to buy 3 players.
Are you mad? Sell saurez eh?
John A
21 Feb 2013 20:58:37
Are u mad?? Sell the only player that scores goals all season??
Downing, yes I agree he's been missing. Carragher has made one mistake. Horrendous, but still just the one. Sell Suarez. That would be the single biggest mistake of this millennium.
21 Feb 2013 20:38:30
Good goal by Luis in fairness, he's really our one big player.
Don't see us coming back though - just not good enough really I'm afraid.
Doesn't help we're floating in crosses with no target man!
Andy Carroll where are you :)?
If we're going to persist with floated crosses we may as well stick Agger up front.
21 Feb 2013 20:36:53
We are useless. going to lose 6-2
Go support chelsea or city!
The only useless one is you mate
21 Feb 2013 20:30:41
Bye bye Europe.
21 Feb 2013 20:32:40
Yessss!! Come on lads!
Hope restored!
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 20:32:03
Awful team selection from rodgers today! Time to step up boys
13reds
Useless post. henderson and allen have come in with henderson being our best player so far. Who did you want to play? Sturridge? Coutinho? They're cuptied you moron.
21 Feb 2013 20:31:55
Danny Agger is our best creative midfielder by a long shot!
-Shane.
21 Feb 2013 20:31:17
Get Danny Agger up front!
21 Feb 2013 20:25:04
We should really sign Hulk!
FYI: game over.
21 Feb 2013 20:24:05
Game over
I bet you switched your tv off at half time in Istanbul.
21 Feb 2013 20:21:56
Starting nervous. Heavy touches. At least we are energetic
21 Feb 2013 20:13:21
We need 1 goal before half time
21 Feb 2013 20:04:26
Well we have certainly loaded the midfield tonight
If it works BR is genius
If not he will be ridiculed by fans and press
High stakes game for sure!
Let the fireworks begin!
Coop
21 Feb 2013 20:16:48
I really must remember that I don't need to sign my posts anymore
21 Feb 2013 09:53:23
Hi! Eds: How come we still have no-name posters?
Thought part of the registration process was to eliminate such posts.
{Ed033's Note - At the moment, we aren't forcing people to be logged in, in order to post.
19 Feb 2013 14:28:02
Just a quick note on the new log-in's for the site. Brilliant idea, long overdue and excellent work from the ed's as always.
Anyway.
Are the e-mail addresses locked to only one username, or will people be able to get away with using more than one name.
Also, is there any chance it could be made compulsory to have to log-in before you can post. That should stop a lot of the rubbish that goes on after a defeat.
{Ed033's Note - At the moment, we aren't forcing people to be logged in, in order to post. At the moment we aren't making the email address unique to a user name.
21 Feb 2013 20:30:36
Absolute garbage. Enough said
21 Feb 2013 20:29:04
Bad mistake, got a shove while attempting the pass back. Need to be a mountain v Hulk as he is officially 26 stones.
Ultra red
21 Feb 2013 20:29:01
Personally I can't see us scoring 4 but let's win the game at least to go out with a bit of dignity. Jamie Carragher of all players I would not have expected him to gift them a goal. But I suppose it happens to everyone just unfortunately for him it has happened on such a big night. I would give us a slight chance but I hope we can do it.
Here's hoping!
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 20:28:30
yet another stupid defensive error costs is a goal its happening far too often something needs to be done.
NEred
21 Feb 2013 20:28:04
Game over, so let's concentrate on the league
21 Feb 2013 20:28:01
Goodbye Europa. This season is OVER
21 Feb 2013 20:27:43
Typical, our own worse enemy. Carra single handedly has ruined our chances tonight. To be fair we're not getting enough players up to support Suarez anyway. {Ed002's Note - Perhaps if Carragher had not been put in to the pressurised situation by what an ex player of Rodgers called the "six seconds of panic" it would not have happened.}
21 Feb 2013 20:27:06
We set up with only one forward, and still we give up a goal early. Can we get 4?
I bet we don't get 1
We scored 2 and it's only half time! Learn to support sometime atleast, moron!
21 Feb 2013 20:25:53
Laughable
21 Feb 2013 20:25:34
Reins did nothing so poor
21 Feb 2013 20:04:48
I'm not a fan of Allen so far but hopefully he'll be playing in a more attacking role tonight (supposedly his best position).
If he plays a holding role with Lucas then I'm worried that will be too cautious.
Still, if we get the result we need I don't care how we get it
Chris in Tamworth
You should be a fan of all Liverpool players
So your argument is that if I don't rate a player I have to be a hypocrite and say I do?
Mug
No, you may not rate a player but be a fan of the whole team not just the players you rate!
Red Lee
Red lee, where in my post was I not being supportive of the team?
Try reading what's been posted before you comment
'I'm not a fan of Allen'
This quote tells me you are a fan of some players but not others. How can you support a team when you do not support certain players within the team? Think before you write mate!
Red Lee
Red Lee, "not a fan of Allen SO FAR" and "hopefully he'll be playing in a more attacking role"
Do you see yet?
21 Feb 2013 20:04:29
Gerrard!
Good on you for telling it how it is. We have some young talents coming through but we do need some top players buying this summer.
Hope we win the league within the next 3 years. He deserves it!
But for now let's show Zenit that WE ARE LIVERPOOL!
YNWA Red Lee
21 Feb 2013 19:50:46
Why have we not recalled Morgan from his loan?
Chris in Tamworth
What's he doing for rotherham?
derryred
Derryred I'm not aware of how he's playing at Rotheram but I know we're playing with one striker because it's all we've got at the club.
Did he not play in the nextgen last night?
The Irish Rover
Ge played for nxt gen lst night and was brutal
21 Feb 2013 19:46:06
Our main problem tonight isn't scoring goals it's conceding them. I'm hoping for a 2-0 win because it's much easier than a 4-1 win. If Zenit score we are in trouble but let's hope that doesn't happen! Come on lads!
Cheers,
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 19:44:31
is it me or does any one else think downing is still playing crap? i'm posting this before the match.
greek12
21 Feb 2013 19:41:06
They know what they've got to do. c'mon lads
21 Feb 2013 19:35:44
Nobodys said this but I reckon its goint to penalties
RedMan
21 Feb 2013 19:32:54
Well looks like BR is going to get it wrong once again, using both Allen and Lucas WTF
Could be the recipe for success.
We'll see. I remember the first game Lucas played from start after his comeback, can't remember the opposition for certain, but Allen was excellent going forward that match. Hope something similar might happen tonight since he's playing.
The match hasn't even started and you're having a go, WHAT A GAAN
21 Feb 2013 18:33:08
Hey ed002, hope you're well!
A quick question, how come Holtby is allowed to play for Spurs in the Europa? If I remember correctly he played for Schalke in the Champions? I was just curious because of Sturridge not being allowed to play in the Europa for us!
Cheers, Scouserseb {Ed002's Note - Schalke are still in the CL and Chelsea are in the Europa League so he is excluded as the club is in the same competition now. If Chelsea had not dropped out of the CL Liverpool could have included him.}
21 Feb 2013 19:18:43
thats a rather defensive starting line up. I don't know if BR wants to keep it 0-0 till half time but besides gerrard and suarez I don't know where the goals will come. I hate to be negative and I will gladly pick up a can of alphabet soup and eat my words but I don't see us scoring 2 with the boys we're starting.
21 Feb 2013 19:15:42
Not a rumour but I read a quote off Brendan Rodgers today saying that Garcia's goal against Chelski did not cross the line. YOU ARE WITH US NOW BRENDAN, NOT CHELSEA.
Can u imagine the reaction Rafa would get if he made a similar comment to Chelsea fans?
Robkop {Ed001's Note - but it doesn't matter? It really didn't look to cross the line, BUT the ref gave it so he wouldn't have to send off their keeper and give a pen, which was the alternative.}
21 Feb 2013 19:12:59
With me being Scottish and the ever pessimist I can see us winning 3-1 and going out glorious in defeat, but I would rather a night like the Olympiakos game. That is my favourite euro night. The 2005 final comes a very second close but that night set us up for the whole campaign. Gave us belief that we could get any result we needed. Remember watching it in a ber in Dublin and hearing Andy Gray giving it "oh ye beauty", even makes the hairs on my neck stand up just thinking about it.
Basically all I'm saying is as long as we give it a good go and don't go out with a whimper I'll be happy.
Gazza
21 Feb 2013 19:06:50
Allen and Henderson starting tonight, hope Suarez isn't too lonely upfront though!
Good luck to the boys tonight and hope the crowd is buzzing!
YNWA! Irish Red
21 Feb 2013 19:04:31
Lets hope Suarez brings his shooting boots tonight. He is often wasteful, we need him at his best and it will be a wonderful night.
21 Feb 2013 19:00:36
A 4-1 win for us tonight would be nice.
LS7.
21 Feb 2013 18:52:03
The team in full is: Reina, Johnson, Enrique, Agger, Carragher, Lucas, Allen, Gerrard, Henderson, Downing, Suarez.
21 Feb 2013 18:49:02
eds I was wondering if you could tell me how many of these posts and rumours are true and do you ever get beaten to real facts by the posters. My mate who is on here allot seems to think only the the eds get it right and not the posters {Ed001's Note - I have no idea how many are true, sorry. Some times we do get beaten to it by a poster, much as we would like to, we simply can't know everything!}
21 Feb 2013 18:33:44
Not Liverpool related, but I'm open for a discussion. Who does everyone reckon will win the champions league?
My money's on bayern and juventus.
In other matters, come on red men for tonight. Do us proud and good luck. YNWA
Anonymous woolback
21 Feb 2013 21:04:40
I'm backing Borussia Dortmund all the way! Perfect Semis would have Bayern, Dortmund, Juve and Madrid in it in some combination with Dortmund winning the competition.
Jolly Red
21 Feb 2013 18:26:41
Adrian or lisandro Lopez in the summer? Bot are quality and I can see both doing really well at Liverpool.
Also would like to see eriksen, Ben Arfa, will hughes, Williams, mertens, Leno and zouma join in the summer (obviously not all of the above join because that would be ridiculously expensive).
The summer is make or break for us. If we do it right, we're right in contention for a champions league place. We do it wrong, we face another season just like this one.
Anonymous woolback
21 Feb 2013 18:20:58
Seriously pumped up for tonight's game - got the feeling it'll be a classic European victory for the Reds at Anfield tonight, although I know Zenit are a tough side so I don't want to take anything for granted.
I hope for a win but regardless, win, lose or draw I will support my team!
Come on Liverpool!
21 Feb 2013 18:19:23
Just asked myself a question that I cannot for the life of me answer!
If the Tottenham game on ITV4 ends 2-1 and goes to extra time then penalties! Do they continue with the current game or cut it short for the Liverpool game?
Perhaps someone could help me out! {Ed001's Note - our game is on ITV1, so it doesn't matter.}
Ah thanks ed feel a bit silly now!
21 Feb 2013 18:13:19
Hey eds,
Just curious, after all the fuss and speculation, do you by any chance know if we took Enzo Zidane on trial?
Any news would be great, cheers. Heads on it for tonight!
YNWA {Ed001's Note - I don't know thinking about it, I had completely forgotten about that until you brought it up.}
I won't stop you from digging and finding out should you feel obliged, ed! ;)
I'll ask next week, see where you're at :D
Cheers {Ed002's Note - The two month "trial" was another red herring.}
21 Feb 2013 17:34:23
Sterling didn't do anything last time we need to keep the ball and create good moves like we did against Swansea
21 Feb 2013 17:29:28
Right Chaps
Your preferred line-up for tonight would be?
21 Feb 2013 17:11:18
You'll never walk alone. So us proud tonight Liverpool. Come on
Ack17
21 Feb 2013 17:07:23
Good luck to the boys tonight. Got a couple quid on us to win 4-1 :)
PM
3-0 are no 8 with 1 and are magical no 7 with 2
21 Feb 2013 16:26:17
Hi Eds & Reds, just wondering if any more academy prospects are showing any signs of coming through? Jordan Lussey and Kris Petersson look like like they have potential to be quality, the former reminding me of a certain Mr Gerrard! {Ed001's Note - Texeira would be the stand out I would say, though Ibe, Sinclair, Rossiter and Adorjan I like.}
We need to loan out a few of the youngsters next season so they gain important regular 1st team experience.
Ed001, do you think Texeira will be better than Suso, as I think they are similar players. Who do you think will be the regular first teamer in a few years? {Ed001's Note - I don't know, I love Suso, he gets stuck in, is much more willing to fight for the ball. Texeira does have real quality though. I can see both regulars in the near future to be honest.}
I think the same Ed, Teixeira is different class. Fingers crossed his injuries are behind him now and, with him being 20 I think it would be good to start thinking about bringing him into the first team fold. Do you know if there are any plans for Adorjan by the way? Am I right in thinking his contract is up this summer? Fan of his too. {Ed001's Note - I like Adorjan, he makes the stiffs tick in my opinion, but I think he has missed his chance now. I hope he does stay, maybe a season long loan would be ideal to get him first team games.}
Ryan mclaughlin
majestic69 {Ed001's Note - good point, and Brad Smith.}
Brad Smith isn't going to be good though, his name is too ordinary
21 Feb 2013 16:21:16
don't care who wants suarez or any other player at Liverpool. not one player has said he wants to leave. why are all the post' s of our best players going somewere else.
any chance we could talk about players who may come to Liverpool who will help us play beter.
its all abit doom and gloom were a team trying to go forward. can we get behind our team please
21 Feb 2013 14:54:55
Edoo1, what do you make of allen as a player?
I personally think he is an excellent passing midfielder that will turn into a mastreo IF given the chance by fans. The great man GARY SPEED stated that allen was the best player he had seen live. What are we missing then? A young man that's confidence is dire and mentally needs a long break IMO. I will always back our players if I know that they are good footballers# {Ed001's Note - Allen just needs time, he was clearly struggling for form and needed a break, but I do think it was just form. I think he will offer a lot more to the team next season, but he is one of those players that will never be appreciated by the fans. He isn't going to produce showboat skills or bursts of pace to take him through on goal. What he can do is a very good job for the team, getting into space, jockeying the opposition into mistakes and keeping the ball moving. He may not be Xavi, but he is a very good player, we just need to get him back on form and keep him there.}
Well said Ed001, Allen is a good player and i'm glad we have him, as you said he is one of those players a bit like Lucas that is never going to set the world alight but he can keep the ball and dictate the play.
21 Feb 2013 15:56:34
i have a feeling---come on the pool----
I just have faith in 2 goals
21 Feb 2013 15:55:37
Good luck tonight redmen. I think we will do it! The most disappointing result this season has been the west brom home defeat which really knocked the wind out of my sales after excellent performances against Aresnal and man city but having said that - in general the performances have been great lately.
Well done Brendan
Gazman
21 Feb 2013 15:20:06
Hi
Does anyone know if tonight's match will be on the radio and what station?
Thanks
Crowman
It's on the square box in your living room mate. ITV 7. 45pm!
909 am I belive
21 Feb 2013 14:32:12
I really fail to see what all the hype about Allen is. Even at the start of the season when he was supposedly on form I wasnt impressed. Sure he completed a lot of passes but what did those passes produce? He doesn't have a single shot on target or assist all season and has created only 21 chances (according to the official LFC website). The vast majority of his passes are sideways or backwards. He is not sound enough or tough enough to play the defensive mid role and he doesn't have an eye to make the big pass going forward to play as the deep lying playmaker.
Weather we play with a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 he just doesn't make plays to warrant being in the team. Lucas is better defensivly, Henderson presses better and has an eye for goal at times, Coutinho brings a dynamic style that can beat his man and Gerrard is just better at everything. IMO 15M wasted on a player that belongs in the championship. We could have bought any number of players instead of BR's little pet. Does anyone honestly think we would have been in for Allen if he hadnt been BR's favorite son at Swansea?
And to those that will say he's still young. He is not going to get any bigger, faster, or stronger (he's a small man) so he won't grow into the Prem League from an athletic standpoint. So he can't replace Lucas at DM and he doesn't have the drive forward or the vision for the killer pass to replace Gerrard as the playmaker.
Just hope in a year or two when BR (or whoever comes in) wakes up that LFC can recoup at least half what they paid for him. After all we might just get 17M for Carroll so anything can happen.
From your sign off I assume you are in the forces. Are your communications and logistics and catering guys any less important to you because they don't engage directly with the enemy. Don't confuse a Hollywood 50 yard pass or shot with a 10 yard pass that takes 2 opponents and allows a team mate to hurt the opposition. He's a really good player - watch him improve.
Simon
I really hope he does improve and ill be the first to say I'm wrong if he does. However I don't think he fits any of the midfield roles in our setup which I outlined in my post.
21 Feb 2013 13:17:01
Just a quick question for youse regarding Allen, we all saw what he could do in the first couple of months here, Yaya Toure said the game against Liverpool was the most difficult he'd played in the PL, and this was when Gerrard was off form and Lucas got his second injury about 5 mins in. Does Allen's considerable dip in form have anything to do with having his kid? I personally don't think it's any coincidence that ever since his wife gave birth he hasn't been performing up to par. Hope he comes back stronger sooner than later, as I really do think he will be an important player for us.
21 Feb 2013 13:57:39
Although I agree it must be tough on him (father at 22 and all), I think his greatest problem was the comments in the media about his crab like passing. That tool Alan Shearer being the first to join the bandwagon. Nobody looked at what he did, and instead focused on what he didn't do. He got bombarded with abuse from fans who jumped on the media bandwagon, and his form tailed off to the point where it was virtually non-existant. You want to know why he's gone off form? Because of posts like the 'person' who just said playing Shelvey is as good as playing 10 men. Shelvey was the next Gerrard 3 months ago. Allen was the Welsh Xavi, now he's a crab who adds nothing to the team. Support actually works, unbelievably. If somebody told me I was s**t at my job, I wouldn't just get worse at it, I'd probably quit! Allen has great potential, and could be a mainstay for at least 6/7 years, but he needs support. 22 years old people.
YNWA! (Adam)
I agree that support works, if you happen to be at Anfield! Not really on a football forum. I can't seeing it have an inpact to be honest. First of all they would need to come on this site to see whst is posted about them. I could see their form being affected if they were being booed at games but again that has never happened.
The Irish Rover
The way I see it Lucas and Allen operate the same area so either one of them has to play or we move allen further forward.
Mike B
21 Feb 2013 14:35:13
pls support jay spearing too.
The only person who thought Allen was the "Welsh Xavi" was BR. Be honest did you even know who the kid was before BR started talking him up? didn't think so. What exactly does Allen bring to the team? He is not a defensive presence. He doesn't score goals. He doesn't get assists. He doesn't even create chances. He passes backwards and sideways which just gives the opponent more chances to make a tackle and hit us on the break. IMO a very poor buy.
Spot on adam mate
US Army Red Joe Allen brings ball retention and passing accuracy same role as xavi for barca
21 Feb 2013 15:03:54
I don't understand why it is such a significant topic of conversation to be honest. He is a new player, finding his feet, and under quite a lot of pressure to perform, like the rest of our players are. He has hit a dip in form, which all players do from time to time, even Suarez and Gerrard, and suddenly everyone is on his back. People saying he is rubbish is rubbish in itself, at the start of the season he was maintaining possession, intercepting play, getting the ball back for us and hardly putting a foot wrong. He hasn't been doing anything spectacular, but he was keeping us on track. Giving him sh*t isn't going to make him better, he has been off form and not in the starting line-up as a result. Lay off the lad and give him a chance ffs!
Xavi also brings a few goals and countless assists.
I think Joe is a cracking player, he just needs to get out and play, when he gets the chance.
Who's had more stick than Suarez?
Should be like water off a ducks back to a professional footballer.
It's not as though there just left to it,
they have all sorts of advice from experts employed by the club.
trickcyclists being one.
Can't believe everyone abuses Allen when we saw how good he was at the start of the season. How can a player, who has proven his worth, suddenly be sh*t? Well, the answer is he's simply a good player off form. Just because he's playing bad doesn't mean he's rubbish.
Oh and I completely agree the only thing that's put Allen off course is the abuse and complaints from the fans and media about his sideways passing. If everyone had just left him alone then he'd still be playing well.
Anonymous woolback
21 Feb 2013 19:35:49
Give the kid a break. allen will come good. all he needs is for the players, coaches and fans to give him his belief and confidence back. its hard to believe in your abilities when the world thinks your sh*te. he's a present day lucas. he'll repay us all if we put our faith in him.
21 Feb 2013 13:17:00
Hi eds, not a rumour just a question. Are we any nearer to hearing the redevelopment plans of anfield? Appreciate your answer {Ed002's Note - I am not sure what you are expecting to hear per se, but I understand that the plans will be submitted to the local council this spring.}
As a season ticket holder I am just wondering about the new capacity and what it will look like that's all and timescales just things like that really. {Ed002's Note - I would think the capacity will eventually reach 60k in steps. Work could potentially start as early as May 2014 but thar rests on what happens with planning and consultation.}
Cheers for your reply
Ed2 I hope you are well? While work is going on are is it going to limit the capacity much? {Ed002's Note - I don't know. Sorry.}
21 Feb 2013 12:43:12
Anyone heading to the game tonight, get there early, get your flags and scalfs out, surly we can get something on like the pre Spurs welcome of the team bus a few seasons ago, that really got the players up for the game!
21 Feb 2013 13:10:56
if Shelvey starts tonight then were down to 10 men straight away lol
21 Feb 2013 13:34:32
Clear off. We don't need like you dragging us down. If Shelvey starts, I'll support him just like the rest of the team, because he's a Liverpool player. and people wonder why we are inconsistent. its because when minute your the next Xavi/Gerrard, and the next you are the equivalent to nobody! Confidence is important 'mate', and telling a 20 year old he's useless, doesn't help.
YNWA! (Adam)
21 Feb 2013 14:36:12
but we need result mate.
21 Feb 2013 15:02:33
One of the most harshest things said. He's a talented young player he's 20 ffs, it's people like you who will say you supported him from the start when he makes it.
If some of the negative posters on here are ones that go to the matches well then no wonder why our manager and players have to ASK the fans for an atmosphere
Id soon rather keep Shelvey, Allen, Borini etc as Liverpool players than some of you as fans!
21 Feb 2013 15:05:21
Yes that's the attitude! Best supporters in the world!
OP Looking for negative responses as in the one by Super.
Super: I very much doubt if the original OP is a Red. There just wums that love to get negative responses.
21 Feb 2013 12:50:25
I'm not old enough to remember, but i'm sure the generation before me are. In 1991, Liverpool lost to Auxerre, 2-0 in France. Due to the massive deficit we faced in the second leg, Anfield was half empty at 23,000 people in attendance. Those 23,000 made more noise than the average full stadium would, and Liverpool went on to win 3-0 on the night, 3-2 on aggregate. One of the goals was a header courtesy of Mike Marsh. Name ring any bells? It should do because he's our first team coach! If anybody can inspire the current squad to a European miracle, It's Marshy. He has the club in his heart, and has been there and worn the shirt. I personally hope they made the first team sit down and watch this game beforehand.
You'll Never Walk Alone is used too lightly nowadays. If you say it, mean it!
C'mon you Reds!
YNWA! (Adam)
Get off your patriotic horse mate! We are all Liverpool fans here and no one fan is bigger than the other, I pay my season ticket every year and travel up from Cambridge every home game so does that make me a bigger fan than someone who has never been to anfield? Oh and as to the other post about shelvey. the lad is a talentless donkey and the sooner he is told the sooner he might start to improve!
Shelvey isn't talentless, he is young and finding his feet and has played many roles in the team so far this season. I have high hopes for Shelvey and so should you.
I see some flashes of excellence from him every know and again, he was the worst player in our squad last season. He started this season quite well but then he stated he wanted to score goals so br put him upfront and he was terrible he missed sitter after sitter, I'm not here to argue with any one we all live the redmen and I will always support them no matter who plays in the team but I'm sorry Iv seen enough of shelvey to make my mind up that he just won't cut it. I hope to be proved wrong. Just my opinion that's all
I remember that game well.
The problem was the team tossed all the hard work away by not turning up for the next game.
To the second poster. It's persons like you that ruin the club. Posh persons who believe that because you pay your money to go see the game it makes you a true fan. Most likely all you do is eat your prawn sandwiches, spend the whole game on your smartphone and look up to occasionally slag off a player.
Adam on the other hand seems to be a true supporter. Not entirely sure what he has done to offend you but you seem to have taken it as an opportunity to prove how 'patriotic' you are, and how dedicated you are to the cause with your expensive season ticket which you don't treasure at all really and some of the people of Liverpool would give there arm for.
I see people like yourself all the time. The sad thing is that you say you go the game yet you still have the footballing intellect of an abramovich and couch potato hybrid. (if you even know who abramovich is).
It might also be an idea to sign off so I know who I'm ripping into next time.
Anonymous woolback
21 Feb 2013 12:26:49
I don't know why, but I've got a strong feeling that Allen is going to boss the game tonight. No doubt he's struggled in recent weeks, but I just feel like he's ready to kick back in and prove a lot of people wrong. Henderson, Carra and Downing have both been doing it in recent weeks, so let's hope Joe follows suit.
Suso and Sterling both likely to be on the bench, but fingers crossed either/both come on and make an impact. Both with get a massive lift in confidence if they play in such a pivotal game and its games like tonight that make players proud to play for Liverpool (I know all games should). With the kop roaring you on anything is possible.
21 Feb 2013 15:09:49
My hope is that Brendan reacts quick enough if substitutions are needed, and makes them appropriately. All players are prone to an off day, but i've noticed that BR, along with Kenny actually have frequently left it too late to make a difference at times. BR needs to be on the ball tonight, oh along with our players! I have high hopes!
21 Feb 2013 12:23:18
Lets be honest fellas, it will be a major surprise if we go through tonight; we've all seen how toothless we are without Sturridge up front. Lots of positive vibes and that's great but let's retain a sense of realism, without a focal point up front we're awful.
I don't think that Suarez alone up top is toothless. basically our squad before January transfers.
He needs support up there and we have other players who can step up tonight and help.
To go through would be a surprise, but it's not unrealistic or impossible.
It won't be a surprise at all. I expect us to win by 3 goals to tonight.
21 Feb 2013 11:20:25
Hi Eds fellow reds,
I'll proberbly get pulled to shreds for asking this, I come on here a lot and other sights and have seen a lot of comments about bringing Rafa back in the summer as Rodgers hasn't delivered this season, I'm a fan of Rodgers idea of how to play but I think he has stepped up to early to take on a massive club like Liverpool, my question is this, would FSG entertain and hire someone like Rafa? Also with there wages and age policy would Rafa be able to make it work with the strict guidlines? Also IF Rafa come back would all the hype start that a certain Mr. Torres would be back as they have a special relationship, would FSG break there mould to do this and bring him back? I hope I don't upset people but been thinking that for a few weeks now and wondered what others thought? {Ed002's Note - Liverpool has a manager. However I would think if the fans drive him out that FSG (if not also driven out by the fans by then) would consider all available options. It seems you are one of many fans who will not be satisfied until Benitez, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, et al are back at the club.}
Rafa will never be forgotten and had his chance you should get over him.
To the above poster. Good things come to those who are patient.
Torres can't hit a barn door at ten paces. He's not the Torres of 2009. Get over him and support our current players. He's not coming back, thankfully.
ND
Surely it will be his results that determine if Rodgers goes. The fans don't have any input on that. Of course its easy to lay the blame for everything wrong with Liverpool at the fans feet.
I have no doubt what so ever that Fsg would "put up" with some of the abuse pointed at there direction if their project was showing more positive returns. It certainly helped with the Glazers at Utd. A team that was still winning trophies but constantly had to endureabuse and a constsnt "Green and Gold" campaign for a long long time. Why? Because they knew Manchester United would make them very rich and has proven to do so.
I have absolutely nothing against Fsg. I think they are doing fine. Yet if it does go wrong and Fsg put Liverpool into "institutional" ownership, I have no doubt the blame will put at the fans feet and no consideration taken into account that Fsg might have bit of more than they can chew. Maybe a job to soon for them ed?
For the record and before it comes hurling in my direction. I don't agree with abusing wives, directors or any other members of Lfc but like I have said money is a grest sweetner, ask the Glazers.
The Irish Rover
As a United fan I would love rafa to return because he's utter carp, now that's a fact!
I agree that we have to look forward. As much as I would have loved the Torres/Suarez combo a couple years ago, El Nino is no more. That said you can't blame fans for wondering why Benitez got the axe after one poor season but its taboo to even talk about BR getting fired. Benitez clearly never should have sold Alonso but BR should have never bought Allen or Borini.
21 Feb 2013 15:28:55
I think the trouble is because of our glorious past we are intent on only looking at what is wrong with our current campaign. Rafa was a good manager and bought us success, but he also did us no favours in other ways. Buying in expensive players who have not performed and then we have been stuck with them on the wage bill and not been able to shift them, meaning we have struggled to bring in more quality players through our wage bill being so high. BR has done a great job in reducing our wage bill, we are playing more attractive football, and keeping up with a style that the most successful teams are using. I know we can't rank ourselves amongst those teams that are currently the most successful in world football, but we have come a long way since the start of the season, and give it a few more years we can be up there again. We are not far behind where we were last season. We have had to sacrifice the cup runs, but we are scoring more goals, and BR's signings have been a bigger success that those of the last few seasons. This time last season we were struggling big time, and now we seem to be on the up. We all knew the team would take time to adapt, and the inconsistency they have suffered with managers and styles only ever meant it would be a slow progression. However I would much rather we progressed slowly, but ended up with a better gelled squad, playing great football to watch, whilst our finances are looking healthy, that again throwing money at the problem on players we love before they have kicked a ball, but then bitch about when they do not work out quite as we hope. In time, when our finances are better we can be building our squad with a few quality players. We spend as much as anyone else does, our owners aren't tight, they just want to spend carefully. Patience is the key guys, i'm confident we will end this season in a better position than last year.
If Rodgers fails, certainly possible based on results so far, then the owners would be daft to ignore Rafa.
No manager will do wot rafa did 4 us, nor mou, guardiola, Wenger, avb, etc. Forget rodgers, its rodgers near any of thouse managers, not even in 5 years, Benitez beat mou twice in champions l, guardiola unproven in the premier and any manager can succed wif a team like barca, let's c how its goes 2 him in Germany next year, Wenger 8 years trofyless, and on top its makin arsenal lookalike a wery small team on sellin their star players 60000 stadium 4 wot, have some balls the way Benitez had against hicklett, avb didn't last at Chelsea, and Benitez its making it there, klopp unproven in premier, only managers hu were unproven and succed, (wenger, mou, Benitez) but our Benitez never had budget like this 2, if he really had budget, falcao wudve been playing 4 us, he had him in his pocket when falcao usedto play in his home town, becouse of hicklett he cudnt get him, he got unfinish bussines wif us and this its how the challenge should start, and 4 man u fans FERGI didn't dare retiring becose he cudnt c a world class manager (benitez) in our club.
What progress in his managerial style has Rafa shown since he got sacked in the first place?
still never varies his system at any club, still as stubborn as the day he left. 2 of the traits that lost the dressing room in the end.
if he hasn't put right the individual errors of his 1st reign then who could blame FSG to ignore him (AGAIN) if Rodgers didn't make progress in the next 18 months.
I say 18 months because I truly believe we'll see Rodgers here for at least that long and probably/hopefully much much longer.
and for all the fans that say rafa is waiting with patience for his 2nd tenure because of his love for the club, I love the club and would play for nothing just to wear the badge but it ain't happening!
we can all dream
s. p
21 Feb 2013 11:27:35
Alright eds just wondering how highly rossiter is rated and how long it might be until we see him making any sort of appearance in the first team squad?
cheers, Redgrant. {Ed001's Note - no idea about a time, it normally comes of injuries creating a space in the team. As for how highly rated he is, he is the shining light of the academy, the big hope. I can see him getting a chance in pre-season to travel and train with the 1st team squad.}
Rafa is only interested in Rafa, the mans ego is second to none, shame he can't deliver the same ego he has about himself to his teams.
As for being a great manager, he didn't do much at LFC really, won a European cup with Houlliers dead beats, Got to a final in 2007 and balls it up, an FA cup and a League cup just, destroyed an all conquering Milan and not setting the world alight at Chelsea is he? Nuff said.
21 Feb 2013 11:16:17
The thing that worries, and anoys me about tonight is the away goal rule. If we take it to extra time then it still counts. Look what happened against Atletico in the semi final against us! Once a tie goes to extra time the away goal rule should not count. The whole reason for a draw for each round is so that it is up to the gods who you play and where you play (home or away first) so surly they should say well its the luck of the draw if you are home second. Away goals in extra time are not a fair way, the away team gets an extra half an hour to score a goal that will effectivly count as 2 goals! Alright the home team has an extra half an hour of their own fans, but I would take away in that situation any day!
At one time away goals didn't count if the tie went in to extra time.
Now if we win 2-0 to force x-time and then end up winning 3-1 on the night we go out instead of penalties.
I agree it's wrong. {Ed002's Note - Would it be wrong if Liverpool got through the next round like that though?}
While I understand, and to a degree agree with your point, in this instance we had every opportunity to score in Russia, and thus, in effect somewhat remove or "dilute" the away goal rule.
Some would argue that we had 90 mins to get an away goal in the first leg. People can't argue about a rule that is the same for everyone.
It would be wrong if Liverpool got through that way, but yes you would take it so fair enough. The rules should be changed to not include away goals in ET
Ed002: Certainly not! We would have to abide by the rules;-)
Yes we had 90 mins to score an away goal there, that is not my point, my point is that they may have 120 minutes with the away goal rule if its 2-2 FT then 1-1 ET they win, extra time shouldn't count with the away goal, its the luck of the draw!
21 Feb 2013 15:18:34
I guess it's just the advantage of playing the second leg away isn't it?
21 Feb 2013 10:29:12
I have a really good feeling about tonight. My only prediction is Downing is going to get first goal.
I think that's a good shout. Glen Johnson will get on the scoresheet as well I think
I got a feeling gerrards gna score a screamer
Thats the 3 goals then. 3-0! Easy as that.
The Irish Rover
21 Feb 2013 10:28:03
I hope we have the gods on our side and the luck of the green, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE good luck boys, do us proud.
21 Feb 2013 09:36:45
hey eds great work ed001 & 002
just wanted to know that ed001 mention that texeira and Pelosi are not considered for future any reasons why? I thought they were highly rated and texeira was liked by Gerrard and carragher during nextgen series match. appreciating your work {Ed001's Note - I never said they weren't considered. Texeira is just coming back from a long term injury and Pelosi has just suffered one. Both are highly rated, they just need time.}
21 Feb 2013 10:05:06
I have a good feeling about tonights match. I think the crowd can lift the the whole team. I reckon Carra will be playing like a demon tonight, he won't want this to be his last night in Europe
Im going to stick my neck out here and say 2-0 to us in normal time, and to win 1-0 in ET
You know what, I have a good feeling about tonight too I genuinely believe we have this game in the bag. Usually before a match you get butterflies and you worry about the outcome, tonight I have none of that! I just have a confidence that the lads will turn things around.
I can't help but feel that tonight is going to be another special night.
We have to do our jobs now, get in there early and make some major noise. Fire the team up and scare the life out of zenit!
Ashy
21 Feb 2013 10:05:45
Anybody else think that all these people, players and manager trying to hype up the game tonight are heading for a massive let down
James
No
Ashy
21 Feb 2013 09:36:57
First off - it's only half time
Secondly - Russian teams don't travel well
Lastly - IT'S ANFIELD AND WE ARE LFC!
Come on you Redmen!
The Goatherder
JFT96
Said this last week, got loads of disagrees.
Istanbul 0-3
I'm putting my optimistic head on for a change. Hope you're right that Zenit won't be as good away. A pitch that you can actually pass on should help as well. Come on you Mighty Reds!
As per the Swansea Game it all changed after half time this is OUR Second half at Anfield we are LFC and let's make them not forget it.
Third poster, Zenit were'nt that good last week, we went to sleep as usual for ten minutes and that was that.
21 Feb 2013 09:22:49
Come on boys. setting out nice and early to watch you come through on another famous Anfield night. even got my lucky pants on!
Clacker
21 Feb 2013 09:20:40
I really hope Shelvey does not start up front beside Suarez tonight. Position does not suit him at all.
Can see maybe Enrique getting pushed forward ahead of Johnson with Wisdom coming in. Shelvey is not playing well at all, when we do see him and he lacks pace to play that position anyway.
21 Feb 2013 09:19:24
Please Mr Rodgers, don't keep telling us we need the fans to lift us to a EUROPA LEAGUE win and quoting our rich past,
Just tell us the team is good enough and primed to beat a side that 5 years ago we'd have wiped the floor with. Thankyou
YNWA JFT96
Rodgers is just trying cover all bases before a big game. That's always been the case right back to the days of Shankly's inspiring pre match quotes on the back page of the Echo.
Rodgers is just doing his job as are the players, they have to put bums in seats.
It's time for us to do our jobs as fans.
21 Feb 2013 12:13:57
Well maybe if all the fatcats with season tickets that barely shout or sing did their job, B. R wouldn't have to come out and plead for an atmosphere?
Yes I've never been to Anfield on match day, so abuse me if you want!
21 Feb 2013 16:24:25
Just abused yourself with that post dave. Your criticising people for something you have neither done nor experinced. Why don't you put your money were your mouth is and show us how its done, no excuses.
Waro
21 Feb 2013 17:09:30
Hey Waro, since you go so frequently (and never let us forget it) why don't you and your pals join in a verse? Or are you too busy telling the real fans (the ones who support, you know, heard the word support before?) FSG arn't up to scratch?
You can be as smart as you like 'buddy' but you contribute weekly to the piss poor atmosphere. I'd stop bragging if I was you.
It's people like you who are currently contributing to the downfall of Liverpool fans, with your constant Vagina like whinging, to starting arguments with other fans because they don't like how that guy with a season ticket can't be arsed to sing anymore.
I am just as entitled to my opinion as you, so why don't you just leave me alone and send threats to the owners, or whatever it is you children do to amuse yourselfs these days!
I live miles away, so don't get a say? Your pathetic buddy! Big Time.
21 Feb 2013 08:14:59
Good luck to the lads tonight. Remember it is only half time & we have home advantage, in front of what I hope is a crowd in full voice! The pitch we played on last week was Sunday league standard, so if we can start the game at a high tempo on the beautiful Anfield pitch, keep the ball moving & get a bit of luck, I don`t see why we can't win. YNWA
21 Feb 2013 07:52:04
No sturridge or couthino - we need players bombing beyond suarez to stand a chance. Johnson Enrique downing gerrard and henderson need to be creating this wave of attack - if we do we will batter them. If we all sit behind suarez or have the odd break with on one getting in an around the box we be knackered
RedLee
Liverpool win 4-1 tonight (if they have read this lol)
Would love suso to be given a chance tonight. reckon he could be the link needed without sturridge and coutinho?
21 Feb 2013 07:30:17
Hi Ed002, I have tried to post something here before but not being posted out. hope this time can be; actually I would really wanna know the reason why Assaidi is never a choice of Rodgers, even not on the bench. I have heard that because Assaidi was not signed by Rodgers. but for me, I do not think that this is reasonable as manager chooses players based on skills/form/tactics etc (not by signed by him or not). Do you know anything about this?
Cheers!
Zann {Ed002's Note - Try the search function Zann.}
21 Feb 2013 02:13:31
Eds looking at the nextgen games there is some real talent are Liverpool looking at players in nextgen games and do we have any intrest in any players
Mane lad from sporting was amazin
Basy
We should of tried an sign fischer from ajax after he destoyed us
21 Feb 2013 00:24:12
Looking like Chelsea have the best academy in this country. Most of the team that won the Youth cup are last year are on loan but they are still doing well in the NextGen, beating Barca in Spain.
They are so good Liverpools under21s beat them. It all depends on what team turns up on the day.
It's not about who wins trophies at that level, it's about how many get into the first team
Spurs beat barcelona 4−1 in spain! what's your point?
Noname it also shows if academy players are getting into a first team, that the quality of the first team is shocking. Case in point is your lot. If you look at Arsenal (who have a very strong under 18 set up) they have zero players that have had a crack in the first team and their first team is poor. Liverpool have a tremendous academy but it looks a lot better because your senior team are absolute melons. Chelsea has a terrific academy as well (won the FA Youth Cup last year, beat Barca in NextGen round of 16 this year) but they are unable to break into our first team, so the creme of the crop (Chabolah, Bamford, Piazon etc) are getting first team experience elsewhere. You guys definately need some perspective.
I found it very strange that after getting walloped (and you did) 4-0, fans were full of praise for the endeavour of the youth. Yet you guys get done over by West Brom in the last 10 minute and it's sack BR, get rid of FSG, sell everyone blah blah blah.
Melbourne CFC
The CFC youth will never get a chance as they have an owner that will just buy someone else. the only purpose of the CFC academy is to generate funds when the youth are sold on. Look at McEacheran - tipped for great things but will never get that at Chelsea. Clubs that can't bank roll superstars every transfer window need to develop through youth systems. It is easy saying that the first team are poor because youth team players get into them. You show no respect to the talents of these youngsters such as Shaw at SFC, our own Sterling, Walcott and Ox at AFC because your club CFC just buy all the time and can't produce youngsters for the first team. Who is the last player the CFC academy produced for the 1st team -JT? Would CFC have youth team players in their 1st team if they weren't so hideously bankrolled by their billionaire? {Ed001's Note - you do realise that Chelsea have made sure not to buy players who would block McEachran's route into the first team, don't you? Hell they are even letting Lampard go, so the lad can take his place. Chelsea have absolutely no intention of using their academy to generate funds and every intention of using it to build the blocks of success for the future.}
Hold on, is this a pop at lfc about manager sacking from a Chelsea fan?
Wow.
Noshbag
Get your head check Dave, nowhere have I shown no respect for Shaw, Ox etc. They are quality and generally the exception, but I was talking solely about this year.
I would love Chelsea to be bedding in the youth like Josh, Chabolah, Piazon etc. but we have bought in players (young players may I add) that are further developed then what we have at the academy and unlike your mob, our expectations are to win the league and every cup comp.
You just sound like a jealous fool who can't accept that there is money in football and Chelsea is by far one of the wealthiest clubs due to Roman. And Roman has set up an academy now to make the club far more self sustainable in the long term. You are simply embarrassing yourself with such garbage posts.
Melbourne CFC
Noshbag how does that matter at all. I stand by the managers (except maybe Rafa). I don't ask for them to be sacked. Didn't want AVB sacked. Wanted to give him time, but Roman expects a certain level of success which was not being achieved and as has often been the case he made the right move and we won the CL.
It's your embarrassingly fickle fans on here I was having a "pop" at, not LFC.
Melbourne CFC
21 Feb 2013 14:50:02
CFC, Sporting have an absolutely superb academy, one of the best in the world, there is no shame in losing to them in the NextGen. I guess we'll see if your academy is as good as you say at the end of the season. By the looks of it, we're already ahead of you, so you have a bit of catching up to do. And calling our first team melons, you sound like a very, very bitter blue - you sure you don't support Everton?
Ed001 - so Chelsea haven't bought Oscar, Ramires, Hazard, Lucas Piazon. all of whom play in an attacking midfield role like Frank. Granted Hazard is more of a winger. Not jealous ever of CFC or Abramavich's money and good luck to you whilst it lasts. CFC will never be self-sustainable whilst the drive is there to win every competition at any cost. including cherry picking the best players with ridiculous wages. I agree with you about our fickle fans by the way.
I accept that clubs like AFC and LFC will never compete consistently anymore and I suspect MUFC will join us in time. I just think that it is a shame for football that's all. {Ed001's Note - what have any of them to do with McEachran? He plays behind them, not in their position. Why good luck to me? I am a Liverpool fan, just don't happen to be so ignorant as to think Chelsea's academy is just there to sell players. They have always had a long term plan to bring through their own players, Roman has always wanted the club to be sustainable on its own, without him needing to provide input.}
20 Feb 2013 23:47:52
the only way that LFC can win the match tomorrow night is. if we create the same atmosphere as we did against cheski in the CL 2005! this is wy we won the match because of the passion flowing onto the field from the fans!! so we shall see if that is possible, but imo there is to much corperate tickets out there, my last three match's i've been in the kop and looking at the stands beside me there was nothing but a lot of girls looking arouind them or on a phone!! not having a go a girls by the way. but on return to the hotel after the last match they were showing the game on tv and none of the corperate people were interested one bit to watch it!! big stu ni
20 Feb 2013 21:44:15
Ed001, what's your thoughts on Conor Coady? Do you rate him and think he could make it into the first team? {Ed001's Note - yes and yes. Once he settles down and plays as he can, I think he would be excellent in our current system, in any of the central midfield roles. He can play the sitting position that Lucas mans currently, but he is better when he drives forward and makes things happen. }
Hi Ed001, So do u think BR rates the lad and will give an opportunity to break into first team. And also what are the views of BR on Jack Robinson. He's been sent out on loan and I know you rate the lad highly, but BR sees him as our future LB.
Like to know your views. Thanks
AJ {Ed001's Note - he does rate Coady, which is why he never travelled with the Nextgen squad. He is staying with the first team squad, for now at least. When he does get a chance in the team, he will need to perform, unlike Morgan, who didn't play well when he got his chance. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a loan move though, it comes down to a team guaranteeing him first team footie.
Robinson needed to get some time in the team regularly, he has never been able to put in regular good performances, nor was he quite doing it in training. The loan will do him good, he will get games, which is part of the deal, and he will have the chance to prove he can be our future left back. It is up to him now, he has to live up to the level we know he is capable of. Rodgers knows there is potential there, but he needs a run of games.}
I hope he is sent out on loan, I don't see him getting much game time in first team given the number of midfielders in the team.