Liverpool Banter Archive May 18 2012
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18 May 2012 19:49:42
Hi Eds, do you know if there is to be any contact with Wenger's protege, Dragan Stojkovic?
18 May 2012 19:31:57
Hey eds,
Firstly is there any way you could put up a poll with all the most common names being touted about and we click agree underneath to get a grasp on what every1s opion is without having to trawl around the carp some peeps write.
Another question totally unrelated to anything but what was the most amount of replies to a single post and is there a max amount of replys allowed.
Your answer would greatly appreciated
Thanks
18 May 2012 19:09:04
Eds
Has guardiola actually been quoted anywhere
Saying he is not interested , surely fsg wouldn't
Embarrass themselves by linking him with the job
If there was a chance of a public rebuff ?
Cheers
Well they did it with Brendan Rogers and he rebuffed us !
Tel 1949
18 May 2012 18:37:16
Hey eds, why do you think that these clubs are coming out publicly saying that their managers have been contacted? Just wondered
Owen
18 May 2012 20:45:39
Hi Eds,
I know you can't shed much light on who's been approached and who's on the shortlist other than what has been widely reported in the press so I have another question that you might be able to shed some light on. What exactly did Dave Whelan mean when he claimed to ESPN that Liverpool "is a morgue, a desolate place, without heart".
I would love to ask him personally but I'm sure he would never get an email if I asked Wigan to forward it to him. It concerns me that Liverpool seem to have negative comments floating round all the time in the press. {Ed003's Note - I would guess that he means Liverpool needs a boost at the moment to get back the feel good factor,just my take on it}
Yea, cas winnin one cup and reaching another final is really something to be gutted about pmsl
He was referring to the fact that there was no one in the LFC board room to welcome him at the Wigan game, and that the distinct lack of any presence from the owners or senior directors made the club seem a desolate place I think ?
Tel 1949
What he means is alot of liverpool fans on players backs and ther making it hard for those players to perform
18 May 2012 20:44:50
Is it just me? but I cant think of a single club that went so public in their recruitment process surely the owners and key members of staff make a shortlist and gradually pin it down to the no.1 target and go after him rather than audition several managers for the job? or is this normal cant imagine any other big team doing this
But we are not a big team anymore
It's not FSG shouting their plans to everyone. Within 20 minutes of getting a call from Liverpool, Dave Whelan was on the phone to Sky Sports News.
Totally agree...Other than when England have appointed a manager, in the past, I can't remember another club going through this process..Rome 77 {Ed016's Note - Perhaps they are just throwing names out to manipulate a media that bites at anything. )
Liverpool of old would never dream of doing this in public, we have lost our class im afraid.....
Stand up Ian Ayre
Tel 1949
The situation is almost certainly an FSG-created smokescreen. FSG may not know much about football, but they are not stupid.
18 May 2012 19:48:53
Hi eds do you know if Micky Mellon (Fleetwood Town) has a look in. He has done wonders for them in the blue squre Premier. Think he may have a look in, as recent names linked with us seems to be pointing that way. Or maybe Alan Curbishley? He got experience flighting a relegation battle, seems to be the way we are heading.
Pee'd-of-red {Ed003's Note - No he hasn't }
18 May 2012 18:49:09
Do you see us making an approach for Paul Lambert Eds?
Mick D
I don't, but I would much prefer Lambert took over than Martinez tbh
RedSG
18 May 2012 20:38:50
Any chance of us getting Seydou Doumbia would be a great buy
18 May 2012 20:38:08
A look at Rafa Benitez at Liverpool F.C.
August 2004 – January 2010
2004-05
Liverpool became the 1st British club to 'keep' the European Cup following a 5th Final success.
2005-06
Became only the 3rd team, and the 1st British side, to win the European Super Cup 3 times.
Steven Gerrard became the 1st Liverpool player in history to score in 5 successive European matches.
Kept clean sheets in each of their opening 4 league games for the 1st time in the club's history.
Liverpool set a new club record of 11 consecutive clean sheets (Oct-Dec 2005).
Went 762 minutes without conceding a league goal (a post-war club record).
Won 10 league games in a row for the 1st time in 15 years.
At Luton Liverpool scored 5 goals in an away F.A. Cup tie for the 1st time in 59 years.
Liverpool beat Manchester United for the 1st time in the F.A. Cup for 85 years.
Recorded their biggest ever away win in the F.A. Cup (7-0 at Birmingham) and the biggest by any team away from home in the Quarter-Finals for 106 years.
Conceded only 8 league goals at home – their 3rd best total ever.
Set a club record of 12 successive wins in all competitions (it was extended to 14 at the start of the following season).
By lifting the F.A. Cup became the 1st manager in the club's history to win a trophy in each of his first 2 seasons in charge.
Set a club record of 21 goals scored by substitutes in a season – previous record was 12.
Achieved the 6th-highest accumulation of available league points in the club's history, and at the time, the 2nd-highest ever number of wins (as a % of games played)
2006-07
Recorded his 50th league win in just 93 games – a record bettered by only 2 Liverpool managers of the previous 57 years, Dalglish and Shankly.
Went unbeaten in 30 successive home league games for only the 4th time in their history.
Scored 4 goals in the 1st half of an away league game (at Wigan) for the 1st time in 15 years.
Pepe Reina kept more clean sheets in his first 50 league games (28) than any other goalkeeper in the club's history.
Conceded only 7 league goals at home – best total for 28 years.
Only second English side to win in Nou Camp (previous one was Liverpool in 1976).
Reached second Champions League final in three seasons.
2007-08
Beat Besiktas 8-0 to record the biggest ever Champions League victory.
Scored 4 goals in a game on 8 occasions before Christmas for only the 3rd time in club's history.
Steven Gerrard scored his 23rd European goal – to break the club record.
Pepe Reina kept his 50th league clean sheet in his 92nd appearance – breaking club record of 95 held by Ray Clemence.
Steven Gerrard became the 1st Liverpool player ever to score in 5 successive European games in the same season.
Fernando Torres became the 1st Liverpool player in 62 years to score a hat-trick in successive home league games.
Rafa Benitez won 81 of his first 150 league games in charge. Only Kenny Dalglish (87) won more as Liverpool manager.
Liverpool had 6 players who scored 10 goals or more in a season. Only the 3rd time this had happened in the club's history.
Fernando Torres equalled the club record by scoring in an 8th successive home league game (all divisions).
Fernando Torres scored 24 league goals – most by any Liverpool player in a debut season for 61 years.
Fernando Torres broke Ruud Van Nistelrooy's record of most goals in a debut Premier league season by an overseas player.
Pepe Reina won the Golden Glove for the 3rd successive season.
Liverpool scored 119 goals in the season – more than any team in England.
2008-09
Liverpool won 9 successive home league games for the 1st time since November 1990.
Ended Chelsea's 84-game unbeaten home record.
Became only the 2nd English team to win in the Bernabeu.
At Anfield inflicted upon Real Madrid their biggest ever Champions League defeat.
Recorded their biggest win at Old Trafford for 72 years. It was also the 1st time 4 Liverpool players had scored at United in the same game.
Broke Bill Shankly's record of 65 European matches as Liverpool manager.
Broke Bob Paisley's record of 40 European wins as Liverpool manager.
Recorded his 100th league win as manager in his 181st game. It was the 3rd quickest ever by a Liverpool manager and 50 games faster than Alex Ferguson.
Equalled club record set in 1904-05 by winning 13 away league games.
Amassed their highest points total ever in the Premier League (86) beating the 82 set in 2005-06. Their highest in the league since 1987-88.
Scored at least 3 goals in 6 successive games in all competitions for the 1st time in the club's history.
Finished the campaign with a goal difference of + 50 – their best for 21 years when they amassed + 63 in 1987-88.
Lost just twice in the league – equalling the fewest they had lost in a league campaign for 105 years.
Pepe Reina kept his 100th clean sheet in the fastest time in Liverpool history (197 games).
Won 75% of all available league points – 2nd highest in the club's history.
The highest number of points by any team which failed to win the league (38 game seasons)
2009-10
Went unbeaten in 31 home league games – their 3rd longest ever run and best for 32 years.
Against Manchester United recorded his 114th league win in his 200th game. The 2nd best tally by any Liverpool manager in first 200 league games (Kenny Dalglish 120 wins).
Liverpool won a 3rd successive league game at Everton for only 3rd time in club's history.
Pepe Reina set a new club record of most clean sheets (79) in first 150 league games.
Liverpool scored 22 goals in opening 7 league games – best tally for 114 years in the history of the Club and 2nd best ever in the Premiership.
Broke club record by scoring in an 18th successive Premier League game at Anfield.
Fernando Torres broke the club record by scoring his 50th league goal for Liverpool in just his 72nd match.
Red Indian
PS:Not that bad a manager that we made him to be.
I have to admit, this is impressive.
Square tomato
Did you mention he's the reason the club fell so far behind?
MIKEY
All in the past mate.we need to move forward.
And your point is ? Stacks of records only 2 trophies - brilliant, and I'm not counting 1 Charity Shield and 1 Super Cup. Forget the personal records of Torres and Reina - the football to watch under him was boring, and it still only produced 2 trophies in 6 years. Liverpool football club since 1974 has been about sucess and winning trophies - bloody Houllier won more than Benitez, do you want him BACK?
You forgot to mention Voronin
As I said previously, there is really only one candidate.....
ConnorsLFC
He did a good job fair enough. but leave it there.
Rafa is a great manager with an impressive record.
Heres one record though..
*04-10 no league titles is 6years*
Sorry but he was brought in to win the title and failed.
I like Rafa though and I believe he is head n shoulders above the current list. In my opinion, he like Dalglish was dismissed abit premature.
That being said, maybe he shouldn't come back.
I notice you conveniantly missed out his last season at liverpool.
Good summary there mate,id be happy to have him back especially if its between him,martinez,rodgers and that knob pardew..#1983#
These are just soe of the few reasons we should bring Rafa back. I mean he still has his house in Liverpool and I don't think he has ever given up on taking us back to the top should he be given the chance
SO ....are you happy with zonal marking,boring football,last 5 minutes go for the win,rafa was great when he was in charge,but thats in the history books now,if he was that good,why isn't he still at liverpool...think about it...
Look forward, not back
I may be wrong, did rafa not finish nearly 40 points behind Chelsea in his first year, dont get me wrong we won the champions league, fantastic achievement...my point is it is hard to do it ALL in the first year with limited resources...
Don't think rafa is the answer, certainly no improvement on king kenny, just more disruption...
Paul Mc
And this is the guy many don't want....!
Top post
Right now, for me, Rafa is the perfect choice
Sinner21
If I am not mistaken, we are the only English side to have won at barca.... but under rafa we won there again :)
Well put, rafa is the man. easy to slate him after the fiasco that ended up him sacked but i personally would like to see where lfc woould/could of been with a better ownership and rafa in charge.
Part of our great history. Emphasis on history.
Future belongs to the Lamberts and Rodgers of the world.
Rafa is a great manager with an impressive record.
Heres one record though..
*04-10 no league titles is 6years*
winnig a league isnt that easy mate only city or madrid can do it that fast....look at what time ferguson took to win manu their 1st tiltle .
18 May 2012 20:36:12
Right so the fans are giving Ian ayre some stick. I just hope that FSG don't listen to the fans this time and employ who they want to and impresses the most. I say this because they listened last time with Dalglish and that has not worked out so whos to say we are right.
I know this might annoy people but we support the club. We don't run it.
Mighty reds
Spot on mate ,some with a bit of sense
Think about it, there isn't anybody available who would take the job with better qualifications.
We are the club
But at the end of the day that person that FSG picks might be Rafa. you have to remember the man has excellent negotiating skills and comes prepared with homework that most people/employers would not expect.
18 May 2012 20:33:49
Do you think the position will change in respect Cole, Pacheco, Aquilani, Maxi, Kuyt etc with a new manager? Or have they been identified nontheless to be surplus to requirements.
Evo YNWA
I think Pacheco would be the ideal replacement to Maxi. I think he'd be happy to get the chance to make the bench and come on to see out games as his introduction season to Liverpool's first team.
Aquilani has to realize that he's gotta stay even if it's just until the winter window, he has to appreciate the fact that we tried twice to get him a home in Italy but they haven't worked out not due to Liverpool but those clubs and therefore give liverpool another season. it's a new manager and he may have alberto in his plans if he doesn't then we know he is not the right manager lol look where that god RH and KD. another bonus is that the owners like him i think.
18 May 2012 20:31:38
not a rumour,but a fact there is 0 percent chance of guardiola,....he has been asked and turned it down flat......,
Did he, and when did you hear that, personally i wouldn't rule out any of them who we are linked with, the job could go to any of them and we won't know who until the owners have decided.
18 May 2012 20:11:04
Look it's gonna be DeBoer he's the one to take us back to the top he's 33/1 don't hang about £15 gets us a free season ticket get in there.
18 May 2012 20:23:39
Tell you what I think. I think any prospective manager that is wary about us we don't need. We have a major problem now and we need a manager with an ego and a character and a desire big enough to take this on, look forward to it and relish the battle. We need a manager that believes he is always right and instills that belief into the players. We need a Bill Shankly/Brian Clough/Alex Ferguson/Jose Mourinho. RED LENIN
IAN HOLLOWAY!!!!!!!!
He is every bit one of those people!!!
Roberto martinez is that man
18 May 2012 20:23:15
Jeez! Its getting worse. Now we have Rafa as Dof and Stevie G As manager. Some people on here are loosing touch with reality. I mean maybe Stevie could get us into the Champions League in one go but really would you put your money on it? It has become quite obvious that there isnt a long term strategy here. Its " you get one opportunity to prove your worth (top 4) or its curtains". No manager can take over a club, maybe change players, possibly playing style, maybe training regime, connect with the players and honestly be really confident on a top 4 spot in the first season. We havent been there for a few years now and i think fsg have underestimated how difficult it will be. John Henry said he would be disappointed if he didnt get top ,4 well talk is cheap and so much easier said than done. Not to mention the shambles of hiring Comolli then sacking him less than a year later. Maybe Fsg dont read what other people said about Commoli? Our own Ed002 had his doubts. Its just smacks of an amateur outfit. Sort it out Fsg! Make us a successful team, lets have some major progress with the stadium one way or another! New stadium or redevelop! 20 months is too long and no further down the road. Lets get the show on the road, then you can line your pockets with money because lets be honest thats what they are in it for. The price i guess for dancing with the devil.
The Irish Rover
Like them or loathe them without FSG, we would have been in administration or even worse - I'll dance with any devil to ensure LFC survive - look at Rangers
Perhaps John Henry should look in the morror. If it's so easy to get to top 4 and we fail again, then it means FSG either pick rubbish mangers or have no idea about English football. To sack one manger understandable. To sacjk a second in succesion? Starts to suggest amateurism. If a third gets it that confirms a poor Board as the problem.
At least they're trying to make us successful again, unlike Hicks and Gillett who nearly ruined us, and unlike Moores who was out of his depth and who we begged to sell up.
In regards to sacking managers if they don't get fourth, well I don't think that is necessarily the case. They want improvement and progress, Kenny left us eigth, a million miles away from fourth. If we'd have just missed out by a couple of points they probably would have given him another season. But he didn't.
Plus, Kenny was never their man, they had to appoint him due to the initial success he had. Once they have got their own structure and individuals in place they are likely to see it more of a long-term project and not just be trigger happy owners.
Everyone slagging them off needs to remember where we were when they came in.
Mistakes due to naivety I can accept, as long as their motives are right, which I believe they are. At least they appear to care and want to find solutions, everyone who is slagging them off should be careful what they wish for.
David
... i stopped reading after gerrard as manager how u havent been massacred for a stupid post i have no idea
Unamed poster! I agree! You have no idea.
The Irish Rover
18 May 2012 19:57:01
This is a bit of a strange request but I would be made up if someone could find a link or tell me where I can find a picture of Kenny Dalglish sitting in the Dressing room at Stamford bridge after winning the title in 1985. I have looked on Google and still cant find it my Dad told me its a famous picture ad I want to get it so i can make a collage of Liverpool pictures. Thanks in advance
The daily mirror website on the football section.
It was 1986.
Just a thought look for the 1986 picture because the bitters won it in 85 :-)
Because it was 1986 my friend
77to2005
Try ebay , i think i seen one of those pics there mate...............lfc
Try the daily mirror archive. They have quite a few old pics.
Imay be able to help you with that one mate im sure iv got it, im away til tuesday, but will look for it as soon as can, if i find il post it on the sightings page mate : )
martin p
Maybe you cant find it because it was 1986
No sorry it was 1986 I missed typed it on this I managed to find it eventually thank you
18 May 2012 19:46:03
FSG are winners and that is all that matters to them, which is all that should matter to us. They will choose a manager who will win things with LFC, it doesn't matter if they have won trophies so far in their career or the will win their maiden trophy in charge of us. As long as it us who benefit from winning, then who cares?
Manager 5 year plan:
1) Get back into the Champion's League consistently
2) Win the Premiership
3) Win the Champion's League
Club 5 year plan:
1) See manager 5 year plan
2) Increase stadium capacity
3) Increase annual revenue
Scouse_Pride
P.S.
Please add your thoughts ed's/red's
They are not interested in winning trophies. They are interested in being in the Champions, 2nd, 3rd & 4th placed league and nothing else. The revenue from participating in it is what matters to them. If they were interested in winning trophies then a first in 6 years and a glove away from maybe winning a second would have mattered. FACT is it did not and will not. They gave Kenny a 3 year contract, what fantasy world do you think a 5 year plan is in place when we are not strong enough to compete financially with at least 4 of the teams who finished above us this year ?
Explain please
Cork Red Boi
Great plan and planning? Perhaps they'll also put their hands in their pockets for the best players and compete with Citeh on the wage front.
Wake up it's not gonna happen.
kidmillions
Scrap 2 and 3
I no longer believe a word of it. By sacking a perfectly good manager without having a suitable alternative in mind, FSG have already trashed stage 1 of the plan you have outlined. It takes time to build a team and for the team to adapt to new coaches, approaches, training, tactics, and colleagues.
Red Owl
Can't really add to this, tbh!
Keith
18 May 2012 19:36:35
I really cant see why people are getting so upset about what might happen, yes I would of liked KK to have at least one more season, as I believe it was our poor form or bad luck in front of goal that left us in 8th, 10-20 more goals would probably of seen us knocking on 4th or even 3rd, Thats my opinion.
As for FSG they are going to do what is best for the club, LFC are part of thier portfolio, a portfolio that is very impresive, so they are not going to just give up on LFC, they will do what is right for the club to make it a succsess again, these are not people that throw the towel in they are winners.
We might not throw money at top players, I'm glad we dont, they are implementing a structure that will see our club moving forward and I dont believe for one second they are out to damage the club, they are out to prove that FSG are the best in the business....
I'm sure that whoever they bring in as manager will be the correct desision for the club, they will know that they cannot take too much time but they also will know not to rush into a decision. Once the new manager is in place then I'm sure there will be new players in and some out.
We are not a club in crisis, we are a club in transition and this does not happen over night, so be patient, we are in a lot better position than we were 18 months ago, which will help attract the right men needed for us to move forward and move forward we will.
As for Rodgers turning us down, maybe he feels he is not ready for such a big step up in his career, which could be a very wise decision.
Lets just wait and I'm sure all will be well.
kevc
18 May 2012 19:16:24
I how I would love if we could somehow get Carlo Ancelotti.
Jatt YNWA
18 May 2012 19:32:56
eds, what are your opinions on apparent lfc target (well was) nolito from benfica?
Getting a bit bored of the manager talk haha
GawaRed {Ed019's Note - There can be no player talk without a manager ;)}
Haha so you have suspended the transfer talk for a while? haha
GawaRed
Great answer, ed019.
Mr. Nokneejerking
Exaclty what i said
18 May 2012 19:08:46
Eds,
is Xabi Alonso in Liverpool? Cause hes apperently meeting Steve G today, see picture on alonso twitter.
Maybe he will be back soon, would be an excellent signing.
YNWA King Kenny {Ed019's Note - Doubt it}
More likely Gerrard is having a holiday in Spain...
RedSG
There is a pic ed, it says "with the skipper". Just visiting though
We need the new Alonso (whoever he may be) not the thirty year old slightly less motivated version, We need new ideas and new talent.
All the Liverpool fans living in the past need to pack it in now. You are starting to sound like Newcastle fans. Liverpool of old were successful by identifying the best new young talent, not by bringing back a network of old boys.
David
18 May 2012 20:09:22
Liverpool fans surrounding Ian Arye at Aintree races singin Rafa Benitez' name
Great reason not to pick Rafa, then. The more I see, the more convinced I am that fans should be ignored in matters like this.
I hope he listens.
Rafa will not be returning imo. FSG want a manager who will play the youth and that's not Rafa. He will waste loads of money on players like Aqulani, Kean etc and if you hadn't forgotten it was him who failed to get us in the CL in his final year, I doubt he's even on the shortlist. Plus his football us defensively and nearly as boring as Roys
Tizer Red
If that is true then wtf is our MD doing on a jolly when the club is in complete crisis?
The Jackal
Classy??
Right on Brothers
Can you get us a video of that?
The season we finished 2nd in the league with a record points total for any Liverpool campaign, we outscored title winners United by 9 goals and the rest of the teams in the by a lot more. This was a Unitd team with Ronaldo in it and this was a Liverpool team with Keane in it, a player chosen by Rick Parry, not Rafa. Oh and we beat United home and away by 6 goals to 2, as well as Real Madrid home and away by 5 goals to 0. Some dysfunctional, defensive team that eh?
Was he not the boss when we won what todays has been voted the best champs league game ever ye he is boring give me rafa any day mate you no what your getting a man that loves LFC
Why would rafa had set up the youth system if he never intended to use it lol think before you write.
belfast red adam
Pacheco age 18 debut 2009/2010 season December 9th in champions league
Ayala age 18 debut in first game of the season 2009/2010 against spurs.
Kelly age 18 debut in champions league 2009/2010 season
lucas age 20 debut 2007
babel age 20 debut 2007 against villa
insua age 18 debut July 27th against pompy
plessis age 18 20-21 2008 against arsenal
spearing age 20 2008 December champions league
Eccleston age 18 2009 October debut champions league
point is he gave 6 players aged 18 their debuts and not in toy game either.
18 May 2012 19:54:23
question for macca, do you have a update on the managers we are going after? you said that you would try and find out more thanks.
gee man
18 May 2012 19:52:37
Bilverstone...
The only thing FSG have proved is that you can get Americans even more incompetent than Hicks and Gillete.
Their short reign has been a train wreck so far.
FSG are not fit to be owners of this great club.
We sold our soul.
FSG inherited Hodgson from H&G but sacked him and put Kenny in charge. That was pretty cool
One of the more moronic posts of the day.
Dirks Engine Room
We sold our soul when David Moores sold LFC. Too late now. Let's hope FSG know what they're doing.
I suppose we could have gone into administration and played Championship football instead - that's where we would be now without them. And that's not a rumour, it's fact.
Yeah thats right, cos the club is in massive debt, and we havent won any trophys, get a grip, we were a day away from going under you tube......
Sooty
You'd sell your Granny for a fiver Fickle!!
Lyndon
What do you want Venkys Chicken farmers?
If it wasnt for FSG there would be no club get of there bk and give them time
It is looking like it at the moment. If they had it in mind to sack Kenny, at least they are expected to have had a ready made replacement to step right in after the sacking.
This is just plain incompetence to be searching for a manager now. It is making us a laughing stock in the football world.
Mr. Nokneejerking
You are a Poor excuse for a fan!!
Who was it you supported last week
Lyndon
I have to admit that I'm beginning to think that too. FSG have been in control for just under two years.
In that time they've sacked two managers, handled the Luis Suarez affair terribly and they look to be doing things "on the cheap" by cutting wages, sell to buy, etc and there is still no progress with the new stadium.
Now we've got Roberto Martinez being touted as the next manager. Excuse me if I'm feeling a little disillusioned FSG.
You dont know what your talking about, the club was in massive debt under H&G, no money, no stadium,constant lies, they were just looking for a quick buck. We could have gone into administration. How can FSG be worse.
Taken debt away from club
Backed Manager with signings
Looking into stadium (no faulse promises)
I know they just sacked a legend but we wont know what sort of desicion that is going to be til next year.
There not stupid , they have a plan and I believe it will all fall into place starting next week
Bilverstone
Mate you are a moron. The only downside to the technicological advances of the twenty first century is that numbnuts like you are now able to air your ill thought out theories and opinions to the rest of us.
Bring back the telegram.
David
18 May 2012 19:49:47
Ian Ayre is at Aintree races tonight. Getting ALOT of, lets say awkward, questions about Martinez.
Put it this way, he now knows, if he didnt before, that the fans are massively against Martinez.
18 May 2012 19:45:08
How come Harry Redknapp has not been mentioned, he lost out on the england job. He is better than Rodgers or Martinez. Would be a chance at a big club also before he raps in.
Yorksred {Ed019's Note - He would not want to move from the south}
Ha ha...Oh the conceit..So Spurs aren't a big club?! I'm pretty sure they qualified for the Champions League...And we didn't.
Why would he leave hes in the top 4 atm and were about 2 seasons away from the top 3
1 trophy in 30 years(please)
Not as big as Liverpool.
18 May 2012 19:44:14
FSG have just spoke to me about the vacant position....didnt hear it here first. In all honestly credit to anyone who comes in and the best of luck. I'd like Rafa as he help Djimi Traore win a champions league medal...which is a stain on the cups reputation, so he should work wonders with our north east breed tribe.
BenLFC
18 May 2012 19:42:25
You know what else is surprises me about the martinez thing...Whelan is hardly trying to keep him is he? He's been battling relegation every season and every time someone wants to steal him Whelan says ok. If his own chairman isnt even that bothered about losing him why should anyone else want him?
Yeah I know he keeps saying that he would never stand in Martinez way if a big club came calling but he was quite happy to let Villa steal him too. I'm not keen, hope if we get him he proves me wrong but I get the feeling RedTurk is going to have a lot to complain about
Nevada
Maybe Dave Whelan is the last genuine nice guy left in the cesspool that is the Premier League ? We realise now that winning trophies is redundant when owned by Americans. I wonder would they be so happy for the Red Sox to finish 4th in the "World" Series. Lay off Whelan, the man has been a gentleman in all his comments about our club, focus on the real problem, the so called great achievement of finishing in the "top" 4.
Cork Red Boi
RedTurk won't be the only one complaining! :)
StrabaneRed
I fear you may be completely wrong.
Last year Whelan convinced Martinez not to take the Villa job, and gave him a better contract.
This year, Whelan is honoring his pledge not to stand in Martinez's way.
Whelan seems to be touting Martinez to every mangerless club at the minute. It's almost as if he's desperate to get rid!
18 May 2012 19:38:07
I'm concerned that our owners now seem to want to do everything in public. The cynic in me thinks this is to boost their documentary - will it be pay to view? Why would a top manager with a credible, worldwide reputation want to audition for FSG on the "Fox Factor"? I now think Martinez is being used as a media smokescreen by FSG, who will have a chuckle when the series screens later in the year.
Macca, are the interviews/canidates being filmed?
JanMolbyFan
18 may 2012 19:33:41
make rafa apologise to pako ayestran, bring them both back and add jamie carragher as a player coach with a view to taking over the reins in a few years. i believe xavi valero is already back as goalkeeping coach. alongside rodolfo and pep we would have a solid set up that would get on with each other and produce results. no good will come from giving martinez, rodgers or pardew the job, the expectations are too high and would damage their careers. let them flourish at their clubs and prove how good they really are by winning something. the only other candidates are mourinho or capello but neither would be interested in lfc. finally these experts who fsg are consulting should tell them that dof's at epl clubs do not work so forget this stupid idea. what do you think eds? {Ed019's Note - Not Rafa}
Agree with the Ed - Not Benitez
John B
Benitez time is done an thatz a fact
No to Benitez from me too. I will never support him dragging us backwards again. Sorry.
Mr. Nokneejerking
18 May 2012 19:30:07
I would like to thank and also wish him well.. Mr K Dalglish.
His attacking pass and move football was a joy to watch at times and a far better than the chess defensive European style we played under Houlier and Benitez.
I would like to thank him for our two finals and great memories.
I'm sure if lady luck was with us and more leathal finishing up front then he'd still be here.
I personally believe he was right to protect his players and Suarez especially.
Racial abuse is not needed or wanted in todays England but neither is family abuse.
Suarez incident was handled shockingly and so was the media victimisation of the young man.
In my opinion John terry had no where near the bad press Suarez had and his was blatant in front of televisions. My opinion is that Dalglish was removed due to the Suarez incident and the league position was a reason.
All the best Mr Dalglish and the fans hope your retirement is stress free now.
Cheers SJ
I would just like to say here here! Thank you Kenny for trying your hardest. We did play some of the best stuff i've seen in years,just lacking a finishing touch. I would like to agree with your post and wish King Kenny all the best!
At last some common sense!!
We played well for most of the season with no luck at all! Played most teams off the park but the only stat that counts was against us!
KK unlucky but should have been dragged off stage left as soon as he was being interviewed! I've loved the man since I was 7 (1977) but he has had me squirming this season! If he'd have kept it shut and concentrated on the football he'd still be in a job! Bring on Ian Holloway! Eds?
Fully agree.
Red Owl
18 May 2012 19:18:47
Starting to agree with the fact FSG don't know squat about football and are taking advice. I mean the hiring of Comoli in their first months says it all doesn't it.
I also think Ian Ayre's face should never be on TV. He is good at sponsorship deals and nothing else.
What are FSG doing to our beloved club! :(
They'll prove you wrong mate
Bilverstone
Try this for size about what they are doing - saving it from administration and probable Championship football. They are winners in sport, give them time, it will happen.
Ever considered it is you that doesn't know squat
They would buy a football club if they didn't know football, or have a 2nd in command who knows a great deal about football.
AnfieldUSA
Go and Support some one else!'
"please"
Lyndon
They appointed someone in Dalglish to make the fans happy now that they have corrected their mistake your being negative? correcting ones mistakes is a major step forward. if none of you don't get that then what do you know. they told you at the start they didn't have the knowledge of running a football franchise in English as is expected but they wanted to make this club grate again and they saved us from H&G.
18 May 2012 19:18:25
Maybe we should consider the DoF & Manager as a package.Obviously they need to be compatable, and maybe we'd find the whole to be greater than the sum of its parts.
possible team-ups could be one of these combo's:
DoF - Van Gaal
Manager - De Boer/Rijkaard
DoF - Begiristian
Manager - Martinez/Villas Boas
Mick D
How about Micky & Mouse they are a great team would do the job for us ;)
18 May 2012 19:17:26
Goodness, I cannot believe all the negativity and hostility towards managers like Martinez and Rodgers. How can people KNOW they won't succeed or reach Top 4 or even better? For those claiming 'relegation managers' are not worthy of a shot and calling for the likes of AVB, please remember that even he got a chance with a very poor Portugese side and helped them beat relegation before Porto gave this 'relegation manager' his shot and he won titles and Europa for them. You have to start somewhere. We are a passionate club with passionate supporters but we cannot keep looking back to times of success and yearn for those players like Alonso to come back and think everything will be as it was then. We can't compete financially with City et al so I for one like FSG's strategy of finding the new younger Alonso's who will hopefully help us be successful for years to come. At least they have a plan. Sorry for the rant but for goodness sake give these guys and potential managers a chance. Give them our support and trust, they haven't done anything to not warrant it yet. We're a more respectful club than that aren't we?
Would you want us to sign a player from a relegated team? Just to remind you the last time we did that we ended up with Charlie Adam.
Small club player/manager = small club mentality...case in point Roy Hodgeson
Liverpool won 1 in 6 games against Wigan, Norwich, and Swansea. Those managers found a way to handle LFC last season in league play.
No of course not, nobody would and I really don't see why these managers are tarred with that brush. Wigan got McCarthy who we were trying to get for ages. If memory serves, H&G hired Hodgson and it looks like FSG are more professional so I'd like to believe they would give a good idea of what is expected of the manager. I actually hope thoughts on signings in part of the interview process for all candidates
18 May 2012 19:09:03
can tell me someone for which kind of football martinez stays ? Is he more defensive or offensive ? {Ed019's Note - He likes to pass it around a lot}
He should be manager of chelsea...they like to pass managers around a bit
Nevada
Very similar to Kk style .where he seems like he may not be a success with his stats is maybe due to the fact he wants to play good football .
Swansea is his success and wigan accomplishments are admirable as his ability to develop young players is a plus , McCarthy, cleverly and Moses to name a few.
Not saying we should get him as manager but whoever takes over will not win the league for 2-4 seasons but we need someone who will develop the youngsters we have and do it playing decent football,We will never truly dominate football until we press teams rather then counter attack .
18 May 2012 19:06:35
Louis van gaal dof, frank de boer manager
Why not Van Gaal manager ?
18 May 2012 19:02:54
So Jen Chang the journo is the new director of communication he was a regular tweeter on Twitter but how could he get that Job at our club?
18 May 2012 19:02:00
I would love to see Rafa return, reasons: -
1. He loves the club and understands what's important about the club.
2. He is a proven successful manager and tactician.
3. He has the stature to manage 'star' players and to also attract the highest calibre players.
4. No compensation would be necessary to attract him.
5. He would automatically obtain the support of the majority of the fans.
For me, it is an easy decision, especially when you compare him to some of the other so called candidates.
ConnorsLFC
He hasn't been out the game long too so that's a positive
He's currently unemployed, could the reason be that he's not wanted by any of the top clubs, and his ego thinks he deserves one - he would only take the job because it's local, and his family love it here. 2 trophies at LFC in 6 years is not a great CV.
6. He only offered Carragher a one year extention.
1. doesn't understand who owns a cub and riles owners - no teamwork there = disaster with FSG
2. unsuccessful after Pako split
3. lost us /Xabi Alonso through bad man management and almost lost Stevie
4.but he would expect big bucks compensation
5.at best 50% and the rest would hate him
6.and to add he would continue playing the less attractive football we all want to see the back of
No brainer - bottom of the list
There is a reason rafa lives in liverpool dnt think its bcuz his family love it....rafa is the best we can do at the minute the only downer 2 it is....the way gets rid of good players for no reason {Ed001's Note - but it is because of his family. His wife loves the area and refuses to move anywhere else.}
1. He plays crap boring football
2. He is worse with the media interviews than even Kenny
3. Wants to be in total control
4. When he left, look at the team he left behind, and then with masharano leaving because rafa had promised him he would allow him to leave, no wonder Roy found it hard.
PLEASE PEOPLE REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS ACTUALLY LIKE WHEN HE LEFT, THE MAJORITY OF US WANTED HIM TO GO.
So most fans 80% agrees with him on the carragher part and 2 trophies? 3 super cup is a trophy plus champions league football, CL runner up, premiership runner up when no one thought we'd make even 3rd.
18 May 2012 19:00:23
Thomas Tuchel of Mainz is on the list.
The Mole
18 May 2012 18:55:46
But think Martinez would give Liverpool a new face in terms of the media. they would have to change their "destroy Liverpool" approach because of him. he's a pure gentleman.
I like having us against the world. It makes our world famous fans even more passionate. Besides Sir Alex runs the show.
If Liverpool wanted a "pure gentleman" who gets on well with the media, then why did they sack Roy Hodgson?
Pmsl, so is roy and KK but they got destroyed. Wouldn't take long for the press to give martinez some stick!
No Roy and Kenny were both terrible in front of the camera at Liverpool. that's one of the main reasons the fans including me wanted Roy out. he made us to appear like a relegation fighting team with his negativity and Kenny from day one wouldn't play ball.
18 May 2012 16:31:52
I've read alot of negative things on this website about FSG and how the clubs in a mess with all the sackings but I think these people know what they are doing, the clubs not been run correctly in recent years and changes are being made to rectify this. Over the next couple of weeks we will see several rolls in the club filled including the manager. Let's all remember Where we were under hicks and gillet and how FSG saved us. They're winners and want what's best for the club , ask Boston red socks fans. Im sure there will be news on the stadium soon as well so let's just be patient and give them some credit.
Bilverstone
Do you really think they saved us.
Do you really think no-one else would have bought us?
Do you really think Red Sox fans are happy being bottom of the league right now?
I am not for or against FSG, but heard and read this "FSG saved us" statement far too many times and the truth of it they did n't buy the club to save it, they bought it because it was a very good investment, they paid half the market value at the time, and there were few others bidding.
What they do in the next few months is important, they should start with showing ambition with the kind of manager they will hire and then move on with plans to build or renovate the stadium. If they do either of these 2 , then "FSG saved us" may have more relevant.
Roy
Well said my friend. They are truely winners. We should defo get behind them and support any manager they will appoint.
18 May 2012 18:50:43
As I speak Spanish, I prefer to read Spanish sports articles as they are more reliable and accurate than the rubbish that we get fed in England 99% of the time. Martinez will not take over at Liverpool; there is no logiv in the appointment as if FSG needed to sack him next season it could end up costing £24 odd mil to sack 3 managers - not viable hence they will risk a big signing on fee for a big name.
The news in Spain today is that Guardiola is heading to Liverpool for an interview (don't shoot the messenger) and is FSG's top target. If true then the fact that he is travelling to Liverpool for an interview would suggest he is interested in the job.
A good bookmakers will still give you 16/1 on Guardiola - worth a cheeky punt.
Watch this space.
JP
Guardiola u wish ,a fool and his money used for for a cheeky punt,is easily parted..............................
You lie like a cheap watch my friend. Because im playing table tennis and drinking over the top cocktails (picture what del boy trotter drinks) while wearing hawaian shirts on the beaches of Norway.
KNEE JERK
Worst analogy ever.
JP
A cheeky punt on Guardiola?
You really shouldn't gamble.
BJH YNWA (or you're working for a bookies!)
18 May 2012 18:47:55
Fall out between Dalglish & FSG more than just football? Kenny wanted to concentrate on football, not making PR documentaries.
He would have been a PR disaster anyway. Best kept away from it.
18 May 2012 18:37:04
Question direct to Macca
Macca can we trust these owners?
Are they gonna get things sorted or are we in for a bumpy ride?
You and ED01 are the only opinions I look for.
100% yes
Bilverstone
Bilverstone will you stop replying for the Eds the whole time? I reckon you're an FSG spy.
I believe we must trust them, at the end of the day they will not be looking to destroy there investment..
They will make it work, lets see how things pan out over the next few weeks.
There seems to be a lot of negativity on here but lets just remember we should not believe all the rubbish that is written in the press or on Sky sports.
Cheers
Macca
And ed22,16 right?
AnfieldUSA
Macca thankyou for replying. Hope you can keep us informed as much as possible over this period, Im deeply worried and just wanna feel the future is in safe hands but this is aging me.
Thanks again for replying
PHIL
18 May 2012 18:36:32
I would like to share my view about the managerial position of the Club...
I feel that if the Owners replace Kenny Dalglish with Martinez, I think it would be a step in the wrong direction and will not be the right choice. Here are my opinions on some of the candidates the owners are looking at...
Deschamps - Has good coaching skills, won the league, also was a champions league runner-up. But would he resign from Marseille to join a club he has already rejected once? 50% win percentage.
AVB - I quite like AVB, he's a young manager who has years left in him, plays good football, had a 88% win at Porto, and won the League and Europa League with them. His stint at Chelsea was unfortunate even with a 47% win percentage, but I think that if he does join he will want to prove that he can manage in the PL
Fabio Capello - I don't want him anywhere near LFC, he is too old, his tactics are so defensive, and he only works under hefty salaries, although he does have overall 57% win percentage which is quite good.
Brendan Rodgers - I like him as a manager, plays great football, he is fairly young and has worked wonders with Swansea. However, he has no european experience and we need someone who is well known and will attract players. He has a 44% win percentage with Swansea, which I think is quite good.
Roberto Martinez - I don't want him to manage Liverpool, no disrespect to him but he took a Wigan team that was 11th, and made them relegation candidates every year. He plays good football but surely a club the stature of Liverpool will want a better manager than this. He has a 26% win percentage.
Jurgen Klopp - I like him and wouldn't mind him becoming our manager, he has won the German league 2 times with Dortmund and has European experience - but it did take him 2 years to make Dortmund a force after finishing 6th and 5th. He has a 57% win percentage.
Pep Guardiola - I would love him to join us but I highly doubt it - he genuinely wants a rest from football, and I don't think he'll be interested in the job. He has an amazing 72% win percentage
Rafa - I like Rafa but I doubt he'd become the manager - he'd want full control which I doubt the owners are willing to give, and I think the owners want someone new to take over. He had a 55% win percentage with us
David Moyes - That is pretty funny
van Gaal - Hes a proven winner, has a great total football regime, and has experience at the highest level. He had a good 61% win percentage with Bayern in his latest role
I believe that the owners will take time to make their final decisions, and whoever they pick in the end, I will give my full support to (even if it is David Moyes)
Thanks,
YoungRed
Ian Ayre - "It is about a whole cross section," "If you box yourselves into a corner you can only speak to three or four because they only fit a particular profile. You have got to have a more open mind about what you will consider and what you will look at. Then you assess everybody. Then you find the right person to fit in with the plan."
18 May 2012 18:35:38
Personally, I want Andre Villas-Boas. People are saying no judging by his time at Chelsea but you have to remember that he is a big believer in youth which is why he fell out with Chelsea players as the majority are in their late 20s/early 30s, this is why he'd suit LFC as we have quite a few young players.
Also, the like of Stevie and Carra will respect whoever comes in as they are passionate about the club and know that they need to back the manager in order to progress.
Another factor is that AVB won the Portuguese league, supercup and Europa League (which LFC are in next season) with Porto which proves he can win trophies given the backing of the fans and players.
I for one would love to see him as LFC boss as FSG are looking for a young manager who can be part of a long term plan and they dont get much younger than AVB at the moment.
I for one will be hoping for AVB but will back whoever comes in.
What do you think eds?? {Ed001's Note - no thank you.}
You were touting avb up ed before roy got the job. What has changed your mind. I remember that i never heard of him until you mentioned him at the time.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
Why eds?? i think i have made a good point. why are you so against him?
Ed, ur only saying no because of what happened at chelsea.....IT WASN'T HIS FAULT!! {Ed001's Note - nonsense. You have no understanding of just what was his fault, he was the manager, it was his fault.}
Ed001 give us your REALISTIC choice and know that klopp already stated that he is staying at his club. {Ed001's Note - Rodolfo Borrell.}
I would he would bring young European gems and also Brazilian ones
18 May 2012 18:35:36
hey all,
ian ayre said after speaking with player he expects no high profile exits..
im hoping this includes suarez...
does this effect the opinion suarez will be sold?
cheers
MrJimmy
If it doesn't then it shows that we are being fed more blatant lies.
18 May 2012 18:35:09
Cristian Tello Herrera - why hasnt he been offered a contract at barca yet... its up in a month!
Freebes we should go for
Diame 24 would be 25
Tello 20 would be 21
Lodeiro 23 would be 23
18 may 2012 18:33:00
rafa all the way.... cant you see his the only big name in the hat....if we had champions league yeah cud go for big names but rafa because he has a passion for us is willing to come in now!!! in rafa lets trust!!
danny
18 May 2012 18:45:34
I know it won't happen like this, but how about van gaal as DoF, and Laudrup as manager. van gaal has been a top coach, and all these big dutch clubs( ajax and PSV, thats it really, bit like scotland! lol) put a lot of faith in youth. laudrups played and now managed there so he is of the same school of thought, total football. its what we want, and probably suit FSG if the youth do well, increase their value, then sell them on if thats what people say their strategy is
DAR
Van Gaal been coach of Barca and Bayern too. Ronaldo of Brazil have play under Van Gaal In PSV.
18 May 2012 18:43:18
In terms of what FSG are after, do you thik it's fair to say that there's more of a chance of Martinez than a Rafa return? Thanks
18 May 2012 18:41:10
So we can assume that we have approached 4 out of the reported 12 manager candidates with
Roberto Martinez: Interview pending
Brendan Rodgers: Rejected
Benitez: Approach made
Pep Guargiola: Rejected
Other possible candidates reported in the media are:
Klopp, Capello, Villas-Boas, Deschamps, Rijkaard, de Boer...
I think we can guarantee much progress within the coming days, since we have been so quick to approach the first four candidates!
18 May 2012 18:39:27
FSG is not looking at 1 person as DoF, they wanna split this role into a "panel" of 3 people... I posted this earlier but it didnt hit the page, not sure why when i read all this crap on here.... Anyways FSG want txiki, david dein and pep segura in this "panel".... And i can say its gonna be hard to get a decent manager, since he will not have the final say in transfers... Go american style, LOL...
This is correct, Thats why martinez is been talked to because he will be easilly put in his place by this panel. its the same sort of sh1te that had rafa giving out about control with the last owners. Who is whiskey noses dof?? who is mankinis?? who was peps?? they had the power not some1 that never managed a club before
18 May 2012 18:38:45
Loads of people on here slagging FSG off. I don't get it. I love KD to bits, he was my hero as a kid, but the fact is he isn't as great a manager as he was a player. All Liverpool fans love kenny, and always will, and it feels wrong to criticise such a legend but I reckon the league position and the handling of the Suarez situation sealed his fate.
From where I'm standing FSG have, so far,saved us from administration, given the manager a sizeable transfer budget, improved kit sponsorship and increased global marketing. They know nothing about footy, and don't pretend to, so they are taking advice from a few 'old heads' before selecting the manager. What's wrong with that? If they sacked dalglish and replaced him with Bruce Arena or whoever else THEY fancied I'd be worried. As it stands I'm prepared to wait and see what this 'selection process' unearths. I think this lot are shrewd businessmen and just want LFC to succeed, and as a born red I can't complain with that. I hope I'm right, for all our sakes!
Brill site by the way eds, thanks
Forgot to sign, sorry
Davedee
18 May 2012 18:28:37
Rafa Benitez, well with limited access in deciding matters he could for sure concentrate only on what he is really good at, tactics and player development. 4-2-3-1 formation back again as well, a modern style of football that is.
Still though I would like a brand new manager in, with no history what so ever to Liverpool FC.
Have no names, but this is what I would really like in a new manager;
- Attractive and creative style of football, a modern approach to the game.
- Good with youngsters, one that takes a big interest in youth development.
- Great in man-management and player development, a manager who could get the best out of players like Hendo, Suarez and Carroll to only name a few.
What do you think Eds? Do you think FSG will take these three points as really important qualities in a new manager?
Cheers
I can clearly confirm for you that Rafa does not fit any of your requirements.
Mr. Nokneejerking
18 May 2012 18:27:18
Not sure he has been mentioned at all but I'm a fan of Harry Redknapp and would like to see him at least considered.
I do however agree that we have to get behind whoever we appoint, we may not get the manager with the greatest experience but experience if only valuable if it can be replicated.
That means Martinez has as much chance a Mourinho.
Our "bread and butter" is winning league titles and we have been out of this competition for far to long. So maybe there is a method in the madness and these changes throughout the club are required to bring us up to the standard of a modern day club.
Like many I have supported all of my life and that's not about to change now when they need us most!
Its bad enough harry traveling to london from Bournemouth everyday but to liverpool?? not a chance. Wont leave bournemouth
18 May 2012 18:26:47
Is there an ed209?
You have 20seconds to comply!
I'm bored. Can you tell
FowlerisGod {Ed019's Note - No there is no Ed209}
18 May 2012 18:23:44
Ed do you know if frank de boer or klopp are on the shortlist? I know klopp is unlikely but people have to remember lfc is one of the worlds biggest clubs {Ed019's Note - I don't know}
I have read it maybe in last year that Dortmound owner is a close friend of Klopp. so he may never leave Dortmund like that they win Double this year.
Klopp will not leave.
He swore an oath (According to his chairman/president). He will not break it.
If we managed to lure De Boer I would be shocked but delighted - has anyone heard any comments?
tbh - I doubt he would humour being part of an interview process, he's bound to think he's the best candidate.
Is he part of the process? If he is, but hasn't rejected the interview - that looks promising.
But we'll have to impress him - not just expect him to impress us - I hope the interview panel understand that.
He's the No.1 choice for me. Perfect.
BJH YNWA
18 May 2012 17:59:14
Anyone into conspiracy theories? Forgive me if this has already mentioned, but I now suspect that the club are playing a very, very, clever game. Apparently, there is a poll on the official site concerning the potential new manager. I thing FSG are using the media as a tool. They are ALLOWING these names to slip out...one by one....gradually...and monitoring the fans reactions. Think about it. Owners can't directly approach fans, can they? They are aware that they HAVE to listen to the fans views and opinions for a number of reasons. They've sacked a LFC hero for one. They also know that they can't put a foot wrong otherwise we see a similar scenario to the last lot. If they do read the forums then the overall majority choose one man, and that's Rafa. Regardless of what we think, Rafas love of the City (or Wirral), his kids being settled etc we all know he's waited for this job, and we suspect that he's had loads of job offers, but why did he take that gamble? Why patiently wait? In my opinion, us fans and supporters will have a bigger say than what we think.
P.S Rafa is also aware of the interest from many supporters. He's not soft and he's going to try every trick in the book to have his say, as will his agent. Expect many more interviews here-and-there from Mr Benitez.
DaveyBootle
DaveyBootle
I'd have Raffa back in a heartbeat he was a victim of the H&G debacle. He loves the club the fans and the City. he was a etter manager for us than Hodgson and sorry to say it but a better manager than KK. Get real people Pep Guardiola left Barca for a 12 month break and said he wouldn't go to another club what makes anyone believe he's going to go back on his word and come us - really some people live in cuckoo land.
stevieH
I agree mate. and it was only a few weeks ago that kenny was praising Rafa in the press too
You saying this, i did see a feature on Daily Mail website sayin that official LFC twitter had a tweet asking fans who they would like to see as manager? Apparently it was taken in the wrong context and removed and replace by one apologisin and jus wanted to get the fans in on 'online fun' or something similar, im not a twitter user.
Carb
But we played boring football and zonal marking..........zonal marking that gave us the best defence in the PL for 4 seasons, boring football that gave us results..........if its attractive football your after then go watch swansea,wigan, norwich, they win sweet FA too ! Get Rafa back!
18 May 2012 17:58:22
Gastom Ramirez play his last season at Bologna! We are interested! Let's hope we can sign him :)
Err how do we sign players with no DOF or Manager ??
The same way we did to get suarez {Ed001's Note - we used the DoF to sign Suarez, what are you talking about?}
18 May 2012 17:57:18
There must be a considerable war chest available if we think we can attract top managers of the calibre of Pep Guardiola. I know he is not interested but the owners must be prepared to back whoever it is with serious money.
Dont think they would try tempt Pep Guardiola with 20 million and player sales
Kev the Red
18 May 2012 17:55:32
Just want to say great information coming through, keep up the good work. My comment is people are expecting a big name manager. Personally I think we need a reality check, we are not in champions league, we don't have massive transfer funds(that's why we have a POLICY instead!), and the stadium plans are problematic at best. So in my humble opinion why not get a manager who needs to prove himself? Someone who knows the premier league and it's teams and players. Someone who has a proven record of working with average players, buying well and coaching a team to preform better than their worth, make a few quid along the way and re-invest into better players? I would say Pardew or Martinez. The days of us attracting a Murinho, Guardiola, etc are still a couple of seasons away. Let's get real and deal with what we have got, use our history to play our brand of ball and get the Academy flying high in unison with our first team.
Bring back Kenny, i say. The whole chaos is doing my head in.
Mr. Nokneejerking
18 May 2012 17:53:50
Hi Eds
Not a rumour, just an observation really.
Why the surprise and sudden ill feelings towards Kenny's dismissal and FSG?
John Henry openly stated last sept/oct that Kenny wasn't his first choice, and after a pretty poor showing in the league and Kenny's persona with the media after the Suarez affair, the outcome has come as no surprise to most.
Kenny was and always WILL be an Anfield legend, and in time I'm sure he will be seen around the club more. He brought us back a trophy, which was fantastic, but did nothing for the poor league form. FSG have a plan, John Henry wasn't convinced that appointing Kenny was the way forward, and has been proven right.
Let FSG appoint the next manager before condoning everything they say and do, and remember they are NOT Hicks and Gillett.
Nobody knows who will be appointed, let's all just wait and see before stating that we are in a mess again
18 May 2012 17:52:44
Is anyone actually excited that this could be the beginning of an incredible summer?
New Manager - new hopes and I'm pretty convinced any new Manager is going to have to be well backed by FSG so some great new signings to look forward to!!
I love my LFC tinted specs!!!
Mark the Selby Red
18 May 2012 18:21:37
Lots of talk about Rapha coming back and thatll obviously divide some of the fans and although I like him and Kenny I cant help but think I'd be happy to see him back. Some of Kennys signings well all of them have been pritty poor Ive defended them all season in many a debate but the truth is theyve been average at best. Rapha did bring us some great players and I'm sure with the money spent in recent years would have brought us some more. Whoever comes in will need time but remeber half the names being touted are not fit to sign Raphas shoes. He also did a lot of charity for Liverpool which will never be forgotten.
The Hat.
18 May 2012 18:15:36
hi eds great site,
Has Rafael Benitez been approached do you know? Would appreciate an answer, great work!
Chris from Crewe {Ed001's Note - yes, he has even been giving interviews about it.}
to Ed001 - Where has Rafa given an interview?? Thanks {Ed019's Note - This has already been covered. Try searching through the other posts}
18 May 2012 18:15:28
To sack a manager and not have a better replacement ready in just plain incompotant.
The reasons for Dalglish departure seems to unfairly put added pressure on the new manager.
Top 4 or your out policy is a pressure for only an experienced person.
This pressure is a 'make or break'.
Ian Aye Would say the right things right now because his job is also under the spot light.
The fact that there is no solid appointment and the fact that all these managers have to have an interview doesn't exactly instill confidence within the boardroom.
Why get rid of a manager to replace him with a '?', and gamble on wether he will be a success or failure.
I think this is very bad business and not at all professional. Who ever advised FSG must be demoted or worse.
A lot of the posts on here are just silly. I have seen many complaining that FSG are incompetent for not having a managerial replacement all lined up and yet if they HAD got someone sorted the same people will have been slating them for lining someone up behind Kenny's back etc etc
Puzzled
18 May 2012 18:11:24
Just my opinion here but I dont think that going for a manager who has been battling relegation all season is the way to go. Yes his football might be attractive but which is more important being involved in title races or attractive football.
He has no experience of high pressure management and has no track record of success, contrary in fact he has a proven track record of almost being relegated. I dont think that he is ready for the liverpool job, which is probably the most high pressure job in football at the minute. Fans expect a title every year and every year we go without the pressure intensifies. Too soon for me and I think his appointment would damage both him and us.
I'd like someone used to handling big club mentality, high profile players. It's one thing to motivate your low profile players into winning a couple of games against the big teams but its something completely different to make the win every week when under intense scrutiny.
Martinez is a nice guy as is Brendan Rodgers but I dont think either is right for the club right now. It needs to be someone with a firm hand who will not let the players run the team, who will not be afraid to drop a big and popular name if they under perform. Who can work with a low budget if necessary. More than all of this though, we need a manager accustomed to winning. One of the reasons that Hodgeson failed was because he has a mid table club mentality, he is used to scraping a draw at the big teams. We need someone to whom winning is second nature, not someone who is surprised by it.
Thanks for reading, comments appreciated as always
Nevada
Most of the big name managers of tomorrow are right now at small clubs - many of them battling relegation.
That's how you start.
Will we be clever enough to identify one of them?
18 May 2012 18:10:51
My thoughts on the New manager.
I love Rafa .. WAIT don't dislike the post yet!
BUT i am not hung up on him nor do i think he MUST return.
I would like to see a thinking, tactical manager in Rafa's mold. Youngish, with success under his belt.
We got Rafa after he won la liga twice and the UEFA cup.
Now, I do not think we can be attractive enough to De Boer and Klopp - two managers with success and are hunger. The fact that we are not in playing in the CL is a big hindrance.
Yes 18 leagues and 5 CL .. thats what you call history. but it IS history ... It hurts me to say it. Klopp and De Boer will come for now!
I think this leaves us with 2 categories of managers:
1) young managers who never won any major competition with potential: Martinez, Di Mateo, Rodgers etc etc
2) manager who won major competitions, but with a chip on their shoulders:
AVB, rijkaard, etc etc (maybe Di Mateo if he wins the CL! )
I hope and wish FSG can get a Klopp or a De Boer .. But realistically, i think they look into the second category of managers not the first!
Whoever it is ... lets give him our best support.
Barnes' Left Foot
18 May 2012 18:09:55
For me eafael benitez, its his time to finish what he started. One bad season, his 2nd last in fact points total would have won the league this year. Sacraficed defensive goals for scoring goals typical spaniard but hey entertaining. 2 champs league finals. Once out of chanps league. Arguably more difficult now but proven record. All in a time when we had the dark days with hiks n gillet, with low bidgets, hed have money. I mean he brought us torres, alonso, mascherano. Yes he bought badly some times but also madterstroke with those. He got agger, skrtel. Reina, lucas. Come on why not
We should just go for it
We had a certain Kenny who wanted to start from where he left us in the past. Where di that got him and us with the horde of impatient fans?
Now you want another manager from the past who has an unfinished business with us. Well, my question is this; will he be given enough time to finish his unfinished "business"? Can he get top 4 placing when he now has to compete with 5 othere big clubs with very settled sides?
The fight for the CL spot has gotten tougher than when Rafa was here and this is a fact that is elluding all the Rafa brigade. If he can't get us back into top 4 in the coming season, he'll be thrown out on his backside too. There will be no 6 years for him this time around. And with the kind of football Rafa's teams play, i doubt that he will get top 4.
Mr. Nokneejerking
"he'll be thrown out on his backside too. There will be no 6 years for him this time around. And with the kind of football Rafa's teams play, i doubt that he will get top 4. "
perhaps the kind of football he plays will actually get results - and the argument about getting thrown out on his backside..well that applies to any manger we get now after what happened to Kenny!
18 May 2012 18:07:58
Macca,
Do you have any idea who the 10 or so candidates could be?
Cheers
Greg
18 May 2012 18:07:50
Dont want to sound silly, but i wold not even consider pep guardiola.
reason being is he is untested, i mean who couldnt be successful at barca with the players they have... when he is under pressure he cracks just like this season, in which he left barca.
18 May 2012 18:05:54
Can anyone tell me who the full list of people we are going to be speaking to regarding the managers job are??
18 May 2012 18:05:28
Ed, is AVB a possibility? {Ed019's Note - Possibly}
18 May 2012 18:02:41
Can some1 explain to me why AVB is on everyones list of TOP managers that we NEED to go for, is he really much better than Martinez
RED DOGG
Yes, he is. His CV is much better, atleast.
18 May 2012 18:01:58
150 quid at 66/1 for Gerrard as next permanent manager. Get on it.
The Quaggar
Permenent manager? Does thar mean he is going to stop playing if he becomes manager?
kevc
There goes your money....
Red PG
18 May 2012 18:01:01
Hi Eds,
In your opinion, who are the players likely to leave due to these changes? apart from those that were already on the way out.ie. maxi, kuyt, etc. {Ed019's Note - I have no idea. Depends on the manager}
18 May 2012 17:51:09
LFC in my opinion is at present like an amazing masterpiece unfinished, as in, some of you cannot see the end result wich we are heading for, i for one cant wait for this transitional period to be over, an all our haters stand there opened mouthed, in awe of our beautiful LFC.
BIG THANKS TO KING KENNY..
RED4lifeNOTjust4XMAS
Deluded!
18 May 2012 17:44:03
Come on lfc get rafa back. he'll sort us out.
At least we'd get a minimum of 90 minutes sleep a week.
I bet He couldnt Sort your Head Out!!
Lyndon
Bring your pillows along to the games, then. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!
Mr. Nokneejerking
18 May 2012 17:40:38
Hi eds when a new manager comes in will the transfer targets change e.g. munian, de jong etc. Also before dalglish and comolli were sacked was there interested in doumbia and now holt has handed in a transfer request any interest in him when we get a new manager you know of? {Ed001's Note - seriously? Do you really need to ask these questions?}
18 May 2012 17:39:26
Hi (Eds) I feel sorry for you guys. Rant, Rant, Rant and more Rant. I have never heard so much pessimism in my life. Why are there so many angry and worried people?
We are in search of a new manager and there are a number of candidates. How many people are in the frame is any ones guess. speculation is rife on how many candidates there are. Speculation is Rife who is the favourite and the desperate need to know is killing people.
rumours can be exiting and at the same time very annoying. you just know there will be lots of bull s**tters and wind up merchants who can make things seem really good or really bad. I would suggest If you can not wait for a official announcement or indeed believe what the EDS or Macca tells you and you are getting angry or frustrated, go for a walk or a run or watch your favourite Liverpool F.C Victory or watch a Lee Evans or Peter Kay DVD or do the whole lot. when you finished do any of the above or all of them, ask yourself why I am I worried, frustrated or angry about the Management situation?
Nothing has happened yet we are still in the interviewing process. so there's still a little way to go yet before we will know who the next manager will be. It might very well be a big disappointment, when we discover who who the manager is. BUT It might very well be great news. who knows ?
Just wait and see. I am like most of people on here, in sense of I have no sources who can give me any news, so I rely on the EDS and Macca for reasonably good rumours. However until its official then it's a rumour to me.
Don't let outsiders laugh at Liverpool Fans winging and panicking and sounding like big spoilt brats.
we are supposed to have class lets show it guys.
EJ.
Obviously you don't understand the problem
18 May 2012 17:38:17
Eds. Have heard a rumour that Postman Pat (and the Anfield cat) was seen handing in a letter this morning. Do you think he could be applying for the managers job ?
No it was there notice before j Henry could sack them .psv
18 May 2012 17:37:31
Do you think if Rafa gets the job, then Aquilani may return and make a fresh start at LFC?
Didn't even think of that, very good point. Would be interesting to see if Aqua's opinions on wanting to play for us would change.
18 May 2012 17:37:24
Will probably get shot down in flames but......what about Ian Holloway? Look what he has achieved with a peanuts budget.
He can obviously manage players
His teams always play great football
He's great with the media (unlike KK)
Personally he'd be my first choice!
Right age for owners too!
Bring on the barrage of abuse but bare this in mind......the top managers will not want to come to us
Whoever it is they need a chance and time before the chants of Dalglish start!!
Why not take a risk it could bring the greatest reward
...hand me that Bren Gun!
No No no and no not even worth mentioning his name for the vacancy
Don't expect anyone huge is all I'm saying! Gone are the days we can attract the best!! Holloway would be fantastic love him or hate him look at the facts!! Proof in the pudding.....who else has done really well without spending a fortune? He could get us playing great football and believing in ourselves again with what we've got!
You never know everything might not have to be played through gerrard!!
18 May 2012 17:30:19
When Rafa signed his 5year contract in 2009 he stated he wanted to see it out with Gerrard taking over when he moves on. I think there is more to Gerrard's long contract extension signed last season. My money is going on Rafa as new DoF, the job he'd be most suited to, and Gerrard as player-manager. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Who else could replace the King! A Rafa/GERRARD combo.
Its defo worth a thought. I'd never entertained that idea!
Why not
One word - UNBELIEVABLE - Benitez as DOF, any fool can try and buy players like Torres, Reina, Agger, Mascherano etc it's about spotting and signing the not so obvious talent, like Voronin Barragan, Nunez, Paletta the list of failures are almost endless.
While I'am not keen of RAFA
Gerrard sounds good
You forgot this is a man who sorted out Academy plus gave us Lucas,Skertel and Agger all three times what we bought them for.
Not like Hendo,Downing who only assisted in getting Kenny sacked.
Red indian
People are complaining about martinez becoming our manager and then sugesting stevie g. UNBELIEVABLE!!
We need a top class manager with bags of experience, not gerard
18 May 2012 17:36:40
has Rafa Benitez had an interview and do you know any information on it as i would love rafa to come home and help us back into the top 4 again
Is the top 4 the Holy Grail?
Why can't we hope for top 4 playing entertaining football and also winning trophies, something we won't get with Benitez. Tell you what, let's bring back Houllier, he won more trophies than Benitez, with less money to spend.
It's the 'holy grail' for the owners, as is the revenue it brings in.
DaveyBootle
18 May 2012 17:34:22
I'd like a human centapide as manager - made up of mourhinho as the mouth with klopp in the middle with Rafa at the back.
Thoughts?
Gazman
Great ye please
That is a sick and disgusting film. Please don't mention it. Erh!
Drugs are bad.
18 May 2012 17:31:44
To everyone ranting about how we need a "big" this and a "big" that to get "big" players to a "big" club, and this is "farcical" or that is "farcical" - a couple of small items of interest:
1. Juventus just won the title and had one of their best seasons ever with a coach they hired from the SECOND division.
2. Dortmund just won the title and had one of their best seasons ever with a coach they hired from the SECOND division.
NOBODY knows who or what will work out. That's the way it works on this planet. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.
So take a chill pill, and give FSG a chance to do things their way.
They may not know everything about football, but nobody does. All they can do is go about things in an intelligent and measured way. Since they are probably smarter than the average person, they will have a better than average shot at making some decent choices.
Perhaps we should be looking for a manager in the SECOND division then? If it worked for them, then it's gonna work for us right?
I don't know what's going to work. Neither do you. That's the point, Sherlock.
18 May 2012 17:27:09
Hi ed's do u think Martinez will get it, or do u think its a big smoke screen, wigan do have a few free transfers in diame and moses! Anno loads of fans are saying he has no experience to manage a top club? Kenny was player manager, pep guidiola had no previous experience, even capello in his day was given a chance with no experience! The point is the only way you can get experience at a top club is by been giving a chance by the owners, and most important the fans! He could if given a chance be the next big manager, if not liverpool than somewhere else, just wish we don't say in 2-3 years, Damm! why didn't we give him a chance! We come 8th after laying out £110 million! How much worst can martinez be. And that's being sarcastic! He will be fresh, media savvy, and he seems a really loyal, good manners, and never once when wigan went into a 8/9 game losing streak, he kept saying we will come good, I know we will come good, never blamed players or even after bad referee's performances, he said its part of the game! To me, he has class, genuine quality, and exactly the man, FSG want to imply there ethos right threw the club from u10²s right to the 1st team! And he won't cost a huge amount in wages etc etc, (all I've heard the last 12 months is cutting the wage bill down) After saying all this, some1 like dechamps will get it! Lol thanks ed's. DHH L20 KOPITE Y..N..W..A jft96!
Here we go with the smokescreen bs again.
I keep thinking we can do better than likes of martinez and co. No disrespect to the fella hes a gent on the other hand i think he could get us playing great football but he would need time which unfortunantely i dont think us liverpool fans will give.
With everyone saying he hasnt got the experience to manage a big club like liverpool i seem to recall a certain BOB PAISLEY was a physio/coach at liverpool before he came manager and he has gone down in history as one of are greatest managers he had no experience in a managerial role we took a gamble with him it paid off maybe we should do the same with martinez? Jus saying dont bite my head off lol
ACHILLES
There seems to be a lot of ''ifs'' in your post....
We don't want ''ifs'' we want success and by bringing in a PROVEN manager with contacts throughout the world to recruit some top players, that is how we will move back to the top 4 and then build again for a title push at some point in the forseeable future!
LFC Till I Die
18 May 2012 17:26:41
Jurgen Klopp all day long for me
German titles 2 years in a row
German double this season
Beating big-spenders Bayern Munich 5-2 in their cup final a great achievement
57% win record
Isn't it obvious?
Hessle Red
Would he come? no
I totally agree Hessie Red, I would be over the moon if we got Klopp. David Dein as well and I think we have no worries at all.
Get a grip LFC fans this is a storm in a tea cup! Regarding KK my heart said no....but my head said time for a change. To wipe the slate clean, I think it is the best way to underpin the club for the rebuild that is needed.
Rodgers turned us down my bottom! He would not have got the job!
Martinez will be looked at but, Whealen has blown any small chance he had.
K79
I'd go with him all day mate.
DaveyBootle
It is obvious that he is at a very successful German team with a lot of young players and that there is no reason what so ever why he would leave that all behind to join Liverpool. Its fine to have hopes and dreams but realistically we have no chance of Klopp - just because we want him does not mean we can get him.
SMc
Not gonna happen! Deluded!
The Irish Rover
18 May 2012 17:25:56
I think we should appoint derek acorah, tactical genius, with sam as his assistant.
gee man
I think hed give you the willies.........
literally...smf
If Shanks or Bob possessed him then I'd be made up. I'm not sure about Sam though.
DaveyBootle
But what if he comes for your Soul
in payment to the dark Lord
The goat of Mendes
18 May 2012 17:24:14
Just an update from my friend at the club. One top player wants out, it's not money related, and it's not Suarez. Wacca.
I think Wacca is Derek Acorah.
Is the player in question a man ?
Is he aged between 18 and 38 ?
Is he quite sporty ?
And is he feeling unsettled, concerned at the moment ? A bit unsure of the future ?
A bit like Wacca then !
Thanks for the updates Wacca. If I'm honest, I'm always a little skeptical of someone who says he/she has inside information, but I appreciate you giving information and leaving your name.
My gut feeling is that it would either be Reina or Bellamy. I feel like Bellamy would have been most disappointed with Kenny leaving.
Thanks,
CSeiling
It's Skrtel - he has, privately, been unhappy since christmas and is a likely candidate to leave the club. However, sadly, his intentions are motivated by money...
Skrtel?
Matt96YNWA
18 May 2012 17:22:42
how could anybody want rafa back.his negative style of play. would bore u to tears.back and across the pitch and no going forward. How this could be an improvement is beyond me.
Short memory sunshine, we ahd som great games, real madrid, man u
When people name great performances under rafa they only ever name the man utd and real madrid games!
cracks me up, no one has ever elaborated any further than that about his tenure...
2 games in 6 years and the real madrid team was the worst in 20 years.
i'm sure many keyboard warriors will throw other games into the hat now but it's still a reality...
s.p
Winning games is an improvement a thing he did better than most of the Liverpool managers in recent times. Oh and lets not forget the last Liverpool manager to sign good players.
There plenty of great games in the league, at the end of 2008 2009 destroyed aston villa 5 0 and also there were all of the comebacks (middlesbrough, city you can't say that was boring !) , however we did have a 20+ goals per seasons striker at the time...
18 May 2012 17:21:52
A bit of random thoughts from my perspective-
1) Roberto Martinez. Give the guy a break. He's done nothing wrong yet other than given an interview with the owners. No one knows for sure, and will never know, whether an LFC under Martinez might perform better/worse/exactly the same as one under Bielsa, Giardiola, or any other manager- it's all just speculation, so by all means let's discuss it rationally and debate but there's no need to slag anyone off.
2) Slagging off the owners (and more specifically, because they are *gasp* American). Really? I'm American and frankly that kind of isolationist crap isn't very appealing to me. I spend a fair amount of my own hard earned coin buying merchandise and following a team I'll likely never even get to see play live, and yet some folks on here are painting all of us with a broad brush as being "bad" or whatever. If that's what LFC is about, perhaps I should rethink my choice of support. If you don't like the owners and don't agree with them, by all means- bash away. But please leave the anti-American BS sentiment out of it as frankly it's insulting.
The reason I started following this great club is many years ago I was flipping through the channels trying to find something to watch. I stumbled across a 'soccer' game and there were these fans singing this fantastic song to the players on the pitch at the beginning of the game. I had never heard/seen anything like it and thought it was an amazing show of support. I was hooked instantly. YNWA- Hollow words these days, I think.
RDL
YNWA is never hollow for the real fans. it only seems so to people who are thinking of supporting another team. i am from india by the way
All fans of our great club are welcome no matter where they live in this small world of ours. The fact that people living thousands of miles away from Anfield care so much is a thing of wonder. The LFC fans who think only Scousers and season-ticket holders views are valid are not true supporters. This is a club that has had a global following for 30-40 years and long may that continue. It's what sets us apart from Spurs, Everton and Newcastle and yes even Man City and Chelsea.
PieInTheSkyMan
I did the same thing and was hooked the same way.
JB
RDL - the so called 'anti American' posts are to do with our recent history. When H&G were at there prime, I am sure they were referred to in the same way. It is not a slight on your nation as a whole, but people are concerned that the owners just don't 'get it'. Understanding British football is difficult enough for anyone not brought up with it, and has been historically 'less sanitised' shall I say than most American sports. On top of that, Liverpool Football Club has its own specific attributes, which make it the club that it is. There is a worry that this particular part of the club - it's soul if you like, is being removed.
Instead of 'anti American' replace it with 'Commercially driven, non caring, non footballing capitalists', as I believe that is what people mean.
Nick
I agree with everything you say, except one thing... For god sake stop calling it soccer, it's football lol
Best post I've read for ages - Liverpool fans are beginning to sound ,more and more like the insular and soulless bitters.
It's the modern blame culture I'm afraid.
If you truly believe every fan of Liverpool is the same then you are indeed treating them the same way by painting them with the same brush.
How do you know these people are LFC supporters?
Check out ANY website and see the trolls come alive.
Have you ever had a `bad` relationship?
Did it taint how you felt about the next person to come into your life?If you did then you lost before you started.If these so called Reds are so ANTI Liverpool are they still supporters?
Believe me when I say:
YNWA - NEVER
Well said mate
Nick- great post and I can see where you're coming from. The only response I can make is that in many ways the 'soul' of LFC needs to evolve if we want to be able to compete at the highest levels.
Unfortunately, these days commercial success is very much intertwined with success on the pitch. This is just reality and therefore things that affect the team negatively from a press perspective are probably much more damaging than they might have been in the past.
To provide an American example, if I may- back in 1988 (I think it was) there was mass protests in Chicago over the idea of installing lights at Wrigley Field so they could play baseball at night as many felt that the 'traditions' of the Cubs (and the locals) were being overruled. Fast forward 20+ years later and I think it's fair to say people have gotten past it. I guess my point is sometimes things have to evolve in order to survive and ignoring this will probably lead to nothing useful for anyone. It is a tricky balancing act, but unfortunately being a more 'popular' club is likely going to lead to a fair number of 'plastic' fans and crappy merchandising that may not be appreciated. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad.
I do agree, though, that it's fair that the owners had maybe not completely understood the extent of supporter involvement/concern over certain elements of football in England. This is perhaps a bit more significant than what happens here in the US (e.g. protests against the owners of US sports team would be considered quite odd for the most part). I don't believe that makes them bad owners, just perhaps a bit naive.
Thanks for the replies everyone, interesting conversation from my perspective, so it's appreciated.
RDL
18 May 2012 16:51:19
ED001 have you changed your opinion on FSG now? everyone was saying how good of owners they are what is your opinion of them now? And do you know which manager's have been approached yet?
RED81 {Ed001's Note - I am really disappointed with them right now, I have no idea who is advising them, but they clearly have no idea about football.}
Well said Ed001. My sentiments exactly.
18 May 2012 16:48:41
To Ed001,
I've been reading a lot about promoting Segura and/or Borrel to our manager/assistant manager, and I think I'd agree to it myself.
But the Q is what would happen to our youth teams, for I think that more progress has been made in our youth program since last 4-5 years than in our first team and I believe Borrel and Segura are among the best youth coaches currently around and so, would you rather get another youth coach which might lead to a change/tinker in the pass-and-move system that our youth team is being currently brought up with?
Or would you rather get a new manager for the first team so that our youth system, which I have a lot of faith in right now, is not disturbed and our future crop of players turn out having been trained in a particular style that they have been used to for most of their lives?
Thanks for the great site! Cheers,
sama491 {Ed001's Note - bring in new youth coaches who stick to the same pass and move system. I don't see why that can't be done?}
Appoint RAFA to oversee the youth team thats where he belongs
18 May 2012 17:14:01
This is not a rumour but ,anyone that wants a look into Liverpool will be run in the future should watch the movie "moneyball " the FSG group are heavily featured towards the end of movie . Laudrup will be next manager
They were only in it at the end, get it right
18 May 2012 17:13:38
Just passing on something I heard, Martinez is 99% certain to be offered the managers job at LFC.
Fenway are really impressed by his astute transfer dealings and his teams style of play.
If it's to be Martinez he should get our 100% backing.
Forgot to tell you my source. My son often goes in to Wigan on market days and the fellah on the Pie Stand is related to someone in the know at Wigan ;)
kidmillions
But who ate all the pies ?
Pie stand? wheres this pie stand cos im from wigan and havnt got a clue about a pie stand or u taking the mickey?
I am related to a pie,what a coincidence!
Kid millions are you having a laugh?
He fights relegation season after season so what does that tell you about Martinez's transfers.
The only reason Martinez gets the job is because he's cheap and nothing else.
SJ
So who in the know at wigan knows what goes on in liverpool. people in the know in liverpool arent even in the know. nobody knows
18 May 2012 17:12:32
If its true that Rafa has been contacted then FSG are clearly clutching at straws, they should have already had a no.1 target in mind (maybe Martinez was first choice, lets hope not).
And director of football should have been appointed at least before the last game of the season.
Eds do you know if Ian Ayre's job is secure at the club or is he just minding the shop til everything else is sorted.
always a red {Ed001's Note - I was told he was out, but only from the MD role, no idea whether he is gone, gone, or just gone to a lesser role. Or even if the info was just wrong.}
I hope he is out his loud mouth interviews at the moment are to be honest quite embarrassing !!
Ok cheers ed it just seems that if the whole Suarez saga had any bearing on Kenny's sacking at all surely Ayre will be out of the door next (should have been first in my opinion).
always a red
Think Ian Ayre's done a fantastic job and someone we need to keep. Don't see him leaving as he's just signed a new contract
18 May 2012 17:09:33
Right guys, just wanted to summarise the recent rumours that seem fairly realistic and I don't want to waste anybody's time so here you go. New DoF will either be Bergiristain, Dein or Seguera.
The new manager is a more difficult one however from what I've seen and heard from friends in and out of the club, the most likely options are Martinez and Laudrup. AVB is unlikely and so are Klopp and Deschamps. Guardiola is never going to happen, Rodgers isn't interested and we have no interest in Pardew, Lambert or Benitez.
On the subject of player transfers, on the way out are probably (don't shoot the messenger) Spearing on loan, Maxi, Adam and Suarez if a 30 million plus offer is recieved. Skrtel will most probably not leave, Johnson is the same, and Kuyt will be given one more year before moving back home. On the players coming in front, from my information, until the new DoF and gaffer come in, noone is being looked at and even considered. All deals we thought could happen are off, however sadly it looks as if Aquilani will be on his way back as no club in Europe wants to cope with his laziness, attitude and perverse wage demands. Thanks guys, keep up the good work (and sarcasm Ed002) Ed's, great site.
'noone is being looked at and even considered' Why would we look at Craig Noone he can't even get in the Brighton team??
18 May 2012 17:08:56
Does anyone else think that appointing rafa is a step backwards rather than forwards
Was appointing kenny a step backwards or forwards?
IBIMO
Keep in mind kenny won one trophy couldve been two had it not been for the players turning it on late.
18 May 2012 17:08:04
I have an uncle who is a season ticket holder at the kop and one of the top businessman in London. He gifted me his card to watch the match against united because he had a meeting, when we won 3-1, memorable experience!
Anyways, just had a chat with him and he claims he knows nothing but heard whispers from his circle that FSG are going to surprise everyone in the next 2 weeks.
He has assured me that we're in good hands and that Henry will not rest till we have sorted this "dilemma" we're going through.
In my personal opinion, we need not be worried! Theyve bought the club with millions of THEIR OWN money, cleared our debt, invested heavily to try and install us where we belong.
If they were cunning foxes then they would not have blown all of the £50m they recieved from Torres in a matter of ours.
Of course, we are all worried but try and keep calm and try supporting every decision rather than find faults in them.
Kenny was always going to be a "caretaker" if you must. He steadied the ship and fans called for him so they accepted but he didnt do what was expected.
Wether it was the right choice to sack him we'l have to see but was it the right time? Definately! They have all summer to select a whole new setup. Opinions would be welcomed.
Cheers YNWA
RedSox69
18 May 2012 17:21:32
Linked with Martinez and I know we don't have a manager so transfers are at a standstill but I have found from my source that Nolito from benfica will be very high up on the short list once everything is sorted manager wise
18 May 2012 17:21:16
Any significance to Gerrard's new contract signed last season? To follow in Kenny's footsteps as player manager?
18 May 2012 17:17:08
Mind you, I've been here during the bad times too - one year we came second (Bob Paisley)
Ah, the good old days. This is where we need to be in five-ten years' time. We need a manager who will be given the time to build a long-term future for the club. Short-term, it could be a difficult couple of seasons.
18 May 2012 17:16:33
For me it's Van Gaal, Villas Boas, Bielsa who should be our main targets. Martinez, Rodgers, lambert and the rest of the relegation candiate teams managers need to be forgoten, they will not bring in the quality of players we need i'm affraid, and they'll likley bring a load of average players from their old teams aswell.
RDR
18 May 2012 17:15:28
Macca made a good point earlier about Rodgers turning down an interview because if he didnt get the job he might upset the Swansea board and fans.Another point would be that these managers will know they have one season to suceed or they are out.Maybe it isnt worth the risk to some to take the chance.Of course there will be others, who if they dont suceed first season will be only to happy to take the money and rum,which fsg seem happy to pay until they strike gold.
The Irish Rover
18 May 2012 17:14:23
Quite simple Frank DeBoer forget the rest he's 33/1 get on him and get your season ticket money easy.
18 May 2012 16:53:34
Pep Guardiola was born in Santpedor, to Dolors and ValentÃ. He has two older sisters, Francesca and Olga, and younger brother, Pere who is an agent for Liverpool striker Luis Suárez. could luis suarez still yet bring another person into liverpool with his charm,who knows?
18 May 2012 16:53:13
Jees so much hysteria I think we all need to take a step back and chill.
FSG purchased LFC for an awful lot of money and were always going to bring in their own people at the sharp end of the club once the dust had settled. It just so happens to have been settling while we have a pretty poor two season in the league and the manager has gone too.
Whether you agree with that or not they have at least acted very swiftly and have set the wheels in motion as soon as the season has ended. Kick off is a good 2 months away yet and it would appear key personal like DOF and CE are only days away, closely followed by a manager and hopefully, some new playing staff.
It seems a new plan for a young manager and a rebuilding process is now how FSG want to run it and I think that was their choice all along. Kenny was appointed ultimately by the fans and the slightest dip from expectations was always going to be his downfall. They have gone with their instincts now and we are all going to have to trust them.
A big few months for our club but I am optimistic they will make the right the calls. Whoever gets the job we need to back to hilt and allow them to their job. Can we get top 4 nest season? Very tough if you ask me and much will depend on transfer budget and buying the right players but as long as we compete then some progress will be made. Small progress admittedly but it is a long term plan.
Sorry for the long post “ hope not too boring
Davey
18 May 2012 16:53:08
FSG will not rest untill they make liverpool a force in world football again and if that means hiring and firing than so be it.
yes im peed off too not just now but for a while, but i still support liverpool with the same heart and passion as i did 20 odd years ago if you are a true lfc supporter you carry on supporting you dont leave them to walk alone even if it is in the championship.
F$CK the media get behind your team.
we will have the last laugh.
IBIMO
Great post IBIMO mate. as long as the reds are playing football somewhere ill be cheering
KevtheRed~
18 May 2012 16:52:13
do you think the change in manager will affect the progress off raheem sterling
Hope he stays. One to hang onto I reckon. Perhaps if he isn't ready yet, then get him out on loan to a mid-table club, where he can play most weeks
18 May 2012 16:52:10
Didn't Kenny say to support whoever the next manager is? We don't even know yet, but so many fans are bashing potential candidates. The Liverpool job is hard enough with support of the fans, so can we please make it a little easier for whoever takes the job - that way there is some chance him succeeding. We all want the club to succeed, and that will not be possible without our support.
Thanks,
CSeiling
No matter how hard you scream in his support, it would mean little if the new guy doesn't gets top 4 in his first season. Its FSG who needs to learn to support the manager.
VM YNWA
18 May 2012 16:52:05
I want Marcelo bielsa the Madman,I watched his Chilean team in the world cup,they looked amazing going forward.they were the better team against Spain until they had a man send off and i personally think they would have won the world cup if it wasnt for that red card.his Bilboa team demolished man utd without breaking a sweat. Zaydan123
He is my dream manager. he could probably persuade some of their better players to come with also.
KevtheRed~
18 May 2012 16:50:44
all you rafa haters saying boring football get real rafas team won in the nou camp bernabaue san siro beat chelsea in 2 champions league finals won 4.1 at old trafford 5.3 aggregatte win v arsenal quater final champions league beat marsiele away and record 8.0 win champions league and of course the comeback in istanbul if thats boring i will take it anytime rafa the only option in rafa we trust
Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes....
Haha - highlight a dozen or so games in 6 years, excellent CV. It was his team selection that put us 3-0 down in Istanbul, and the players who got us out of it - certainly not him. And how lucky was he to win his only other trophy in 6 years. Fans want trophies in the cabinet, not individual one of games, well this one does anyway. Europa Cup this year was far more entertaining than the Champions League.
The comeback in Istanbul was GH's team actually
18 May 2012 16:49:06
Please do not post.
Ed002. Apologies if my well-meant banter about the Provencal/US philosopher yesterday, in a desperate attempt to lighten the depression on the site, has now led to people thinking the Montpellier manager is actually the 89 year they are now avidly googling. You seem to be getting a lot of abuse for your insightful suggestion.
Apologies if I have contributed to this.
ProfG. {Ed002's Note - No problem - at least two of us have a sense of humour.}
18 May 2012 16:45:36
grant holt put in transfer request. as we dont have a manager pointless lfc looking at him {Ed002's Note - Perhaps he will bring Paul Lambert with him?}
Dont want either
Isnt he basically the same as andy carroll? Big strong english number 9 for a mid table team? Just what we need...
18 May 2012 16:44:35
you say we will be left with martinez 16th (wigan finished 15th) also u would rather have rodgers than martinez why? It was martinez that started swansea's style of play anyway.
Starting a style of play doesn't mean anything.
Rafa's style if play went out with Roy.
Roy's style of play went out with Kenny.
KK's style of play will be gone with the new manager.
It says something that Swansea still play excellent football under a manager that took over a couple of years ago.
It just means he has similar philosophies to Martinez.
Wasn't really though was it...
18 May 2012 16:43:36
If we get some news on the new dof position it might give us a clue as to who the manager might be or not be.
IBIMO
P.S if tixi arrives i would defo put my money on pep arriving. staying on at barca mant constant pressure to win league,cl e.t.c in liverpools case i think his MAIN target ordered by the owners would be to get into top 4!
who on here would not have many signings and give pep a decent contract in line with other top managers or would you rather spend more on players and ave a unproven manager?
18 May 2012 16:42:55
Twitter has gone into meltdown!! Rafa has been contacted by Fenway!! {Ed002's Note - You somehow missed this when I told you this morning then?}
I must have missed it as well, has he been contacted by FSG ed002? {Ed001's Note - yes he has, he did an interview on Spanish radio discussing it yesterday.}
18 May 2012 16:39:36
Sorry but i cant read anymore of this crap, first it was get Kenny out now its why did they get rid of Kenny i really don't know how anyone can read this day in day out,really feeling for the eds,
Its a good job the people posting on this site don't run our club can you imagine things might be different in fifa land ,just back the club and whoever comes in please
and help FSG to bring back the glory days instead of acting like a bunch spoiled brats throwing your rattler out your prams when you don't like something,
Its early days so just wait and see what happens before jumping to conclusions.
k-h
Well said.Its ridiculous the amount of stick Martinez is getting on here.Do you all believe these "fairytale" managers fall from the sky?
They've got to start off somewhere you know.How do you think Mourinho et al would get on at Wigan,with the same finances as Martinez has had?
If he gets the job,for christs sake get behind him.I'm starting to think a lot on here would want the manager to fail,if he doesn't feature in their wet dreams.
Mick D
18 May 2012 16:36:07
Ed, this is a post just to request your opinion on the following (if manager)
Andre Villas Boas - For me, he would be very good, think about this last summer (before he went to chelsea) all of us fans would've been delighted to have him) whats the difference now, sure for chelsea he was poor but the squad didn't want to listen to him, he signed some promising youth in Romeu and Lukaka and was shortly soon after linked with Willian.
Jurgen Klopp - I would personally love to have him.
Roberto Martinez - I wouldn't be too disillusioned with him, everyone needs to start somewhere, encourages nice passing football, positive attacking too, before we had shankley he wasn't exactly amazing before he joined us, now he's a legend, similar with Roberto? I think if we did get him, we should all back him no matter what.
Opinion eds?
Thanks.
Scott
Niether of those managers should be in the same sentance as shankley mate .total different level
18 May 2012 16:35:55
I may be missing something here, but why do people keep wanting Benitez back? In his time at Anfield you very rarely left Anfield saying Wow that was exciting and what a great performance that was.
In 6 years he won 2 trophies ( forget the one of games ).
His tactics and team selection in Istanbul put us 3-0 down, still can't believe the players got us out of that.
2006 FA Cup final - thank f**k Gerrard was still standing near the end.
We lost Alonso because he tried to sell him to Juventus following a fall out with him.
He is not as good as people think - if he was, he wouldn't be unemployed.
People seem to forget all of this about Rafa. I really can`t see why people want him back. Far to many people stuck in the past. Ross
Why do some liverpool fans blame rafa for the bad things that happened and give the credit for all the good things that happened to anybody else but rafa.
i take it you wouldnt want to be in the champions league nearly every year then.
soul man
Spot on mate. Last season we played the best brand of football I've seen for years at Anfield. I just can't get over what FSG have done. It was dross under Benitez.
Ozone
How long was Kenny unemployed for? Will he get another job now?
galls
Absolute Bulls&&t!!!
He took us to 2 champions league finals. Of which we won one.
We won the FA cup.
We won the European Super Cup.
We won the Charity Shield.
We were runners up in the Worthington Cup.
We became the No.1 ranked team in europe.
We were always challenging for the top 4.
We even finished 2nd with our highest points total ever .
That same season I think we scored the most goal in the league.
We always had the meanest or one of the meanest defences.
Imagine if he had be given the chance to get all or most of his first choice targets.
We had Torres, Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano, Carragher, Agger & Reina. Add Alves, Silva, Mata, Jovetic, Villa & Aguero and we would have had an awesome squad and an unbelievable 1st team.
Instead H&G took over and things went downhill.
I'm sick of explaining the Alonso saga. If you don't know the full facts, do some research before you spout off, as to why he was even being considered for sale in the first place.
I would take Rafa over Martinez, Rogers, Lambert, AVB, Kilnnsman, Raijkard, Nicol, Pardew or nearly all of the other names mentioned for the managers job.
2 REAL trophies in 6 years - fact, who gives a crap about CL finalists, Charity Shield, Euaropean Super Cup, rankings, I as a Kopite for over 50 years want trophies - not top 4 - Winning is everything - second is nowhere.
John B
I don't think Rafa will get the gig again but anyone doubting his managerial ability is deluded. To talk about his tactics in the 2005 final ??? Jeez, what about all the games to get there ? And we won it didn't we ? We got to the latter stages almost every year. Fergie and Mourinho hated him becuase they judged him a threat. The man knows how to set out a football team. The man created the best midfield in Europe for a time. The man attracted Torres to Anfield. Cut him some slack.
Although i think its a step backwards regarding rafa your not wrong about not getting his preferred players maybe the football was dross considering the squad available, we were no1 team in europe that was no fluke. fair dos if you dont like him or his style of play everyone has their opinion but he got results.
IBIMO
So John B needs to change with the times then...........
Football has evolved and is still evolving.
Champions league is the be all and end all at the moment.
If you can win a trophy at the same time as qualifying for it - even better.
Top 4 has to be the priority.
The extra revenue is amazing. It also lets you tap into that top tier of available players that you wouldn't have as much ability to lure to your team if you had only won the Carling Cup.
Remind me this is he not the only man that broke LA LIGA hold of Real and Barca and beat them to two titles.
It is better that we FANS understand that we don't have sugar Daddy owners who will keep writing chqs they want revenue to be generated and Champions league ensures that. get this in your head.
Red indian
18 May 2012 16:33:46
any chance or talk of martin o'neil?
18 May 2012 16:32:25
Liverpool fc, one if the biggest clubs in the world,the most passionate fans in the world, we need one of the best managers in the world not an up and coming manager who the players or fans won't trust, we have being messing around for two decades now we need a manager along with Heavy investment to get the quality players we badly need the rest of the league are pulling away from us year after year by spending big it's just the way it is now, get a manager who will attract some great players not a manager who will attract wanabe great players which is what we have being doing,get the cheque book out fsg and prove your ambition get pep or Jose anyone of that calibre of manager.
Cheers
Des
The big man himself Mr Shankly came from humble begginnings to join and build Liverpool to what it became. Don't knock people mate, get behind them
Easier said than done even Rodgers turn the job down...
18 May 2012 16:31:52
I've read alot of negative things on this website about FSG and how the clubs in a mess with all the sackings but I think these people know what they are doing, the clubs not been run correctly in recent years and changes are being made to rectify this. Over the next couple of weeks we will see several rolls in the club filled including the manager. Let's all remember Where we were under hicks and gillet and how FSG saved us. They're winners and want what's best for the club , ask Boston red socks fans. Im sure there will be news on the stadium soon as well so let's just be patient and give them some credit.
Bilverstone
I'm sick of hearing they 'saved us'. They bought us for pretty cheap and if they hadn't then someone else would've.
Yeah someone else would of but they could have turned out to be another Hicks and Gillett or Randy Learner
Bilverstone
18 May 2012 16:31:41
AVB haters just remember even though you say he is not up for the job, he still had Chelsea in 5th position much closer to a top 4 finish than they ended up and who's to say they would not have won the FA CUP or be in CL final. We are LFC not Chelski we back our managers and thank them for trying when things go wrong. We still have hope
K
18 May 2012 16:31:38
(This post is a bit of ramble on several topics, sorry)
Some of the posts are very negative, quite a lot indeed - which is a bit surprising.
I saw the likes of Derek (the regular poster) arguing with Live-on-Pool, who claimed that fans at games were chanting to sack KK.
We (thats us!) are getting hostile towards one another and seemingly taking sides over whether all was rosy - or all was not well.
First off . I agree with Derek.
There was no chanting of Dalglish out.
Even the biggest Kenny doubter wouldn't have the cheek the chant 'Kenny out' at an LFC match. (I'd tell them to shut up myself, even though I wanted a change I'd never behave that way in the presence of the king, or at an LFC match - putting my thoughts on a forum is as hostile as I'll get!)
But Derek must admit there were some boos after the final whistle at Anfield at several games which we lost in the last few months. (Fulham, W. Brom and Wigan for sure.)
And the boos weren't from the fans of the smaller clubs who had beaten us at Anfield - that's for sure. Not everyone was satisfied. So I agree a that Live-on-pool is correct about that.
This kinda brings me to my point -
Some think LFC fans support 'no matter what' and never question anything.
Some have opinions and them change them based on changing circumstances -
Some will cling to their original position no matter what...
There is no de-facto position as an LFC fan. There are only opinions.
But I like that no matter how people feel - they still do not boo the team when a match is under way. (Waiting till after the game to voice discontent - and even then nothing severe - just some brief booing - is unusual in the modern game)
The fans did not chant for Kenny's head.
Despite airing different views on the forums LFC's fans still have a lot of dignity - and we should be happy about this.
The thought of 'Kenny out' being chanted at Anfield is horrific. I am glad we are not that club.
For this reason, we are all REAL fans, whatever our opinions - we'll save them for after the game and not demoralize the players on the pitch.
Our season was poor, and our league form was the biggest problem. That's hard to argue against - our worst in the league for 50-odd years.
In my opinion Kenny had to go - since January we have been in freefall - just about the worst team in the league based on our form.
Many other reasons why we needed a change have been stated, by myself and others.
Some people wanted to Keep Kenny. I can't see why myself - it's not as if the team was showing signs of improving as the season went on - but enough - it would be pretty crazy if we all agreed about it.
So lets move on, what is done is done. Lets look to the future.
I'm excited about the summer. New manager - new signings - new optimism.
Lets move forward, lets not make this another 'was Rafa really that great' argument that drags on for years.
We can all agree that Kenny is forever the king.
Europa League football will be his gift to us and to the next manager. For that reason I'm happy that we won the League Cup - it's more than a meaningless trinket.
I'll be glad to have more LFC games to watch next season and hope the new boss uses the chance to blood some youngsters.
So thanks for that Kenny.
As far as improving....
52 league points is the target to beat next season - that should ease the pressure on the new boss a little, whoever it is.
Even if its Martinez, who a lot of people seem to have it in for [not my first choice either] - give the guy credit, he managed 43 points with a squad assembled with a small fraction of LFC's resources - give him a chance.
He seems ambitious - I have no idea what calibre of player he'll target with more resources available, but I like that he gives young players regular game time if he sees potential in them (Mc Carthy, Moses, Mc Arthur).
He seems a nice guy - and tries to play good football. (those aren't negatives)
The owners will be impressed by his academic qualifications too - degrees in physiotherapy and business management - should help when managing a big squad and keeping up with the latest training methods - whilst understanding the PR and financial side of things better than Dalglish.
Wenger's background as an economist ensures that transfers such as £35m swoops for the likes of Andy Carroll - or paying £20m to sign a player in his late 20's simply does not happen at Arsenal. We are not Man City - Getting good value from limited resources is very important.
(Perhaps the bad negotiating of prices is Comolli's fault - but you get my point I hope.)
If it's Martinez, he'll have my full support - if we're bottom at Christmas (Which I doubt we will be tbh) - I will have to reassess. lol. That's football!
Even the likes of Klopp and Wenger got teams relegated in the past, that doesn't make them bad managers - it's when a manager fails with McLeish-Strachan like regularity that people should ask questions.
A long term plan with a young manager at the helm, with ambition and a point to prove sounds great. Improving on 8th sounds more than achievable next season - some silverware too would be even nicer. A bit more positivity about our current situation wouldn't hurt here!!
BJH YNWA
(A very long, rambling post, sorry about that.)
Good almost ike you where arguing with yourself
Spot on, we are LFC..The name itself sets us apart from others.
With all the different roles FSG want to introduce, it will be easy for a manager like Martinez or any other for that matter to focus on the game rather than off field matters like dealing with the press about everything etc
RedSox69
Lol. I have argued with myself many times where LFC are concerned!
BJH YNWA (Gotta admit I'd love de Boer though!)
18 May 2012 16:30:45
Hi Eds,
Can you explain what Martinez had achieved that make him the potential successor to KK? Wigan have struggle under him but his name seems come up where ever there is a managerial vacancy. Have i missed something? Career 38% win record!
It's hard to have a higher win percentage than that given he's been managing Wigan in the premier league. I'm sure Liverpools win percentage record since the turn of the year would be similar to Wigans. Martinez wouldn't be the end of the world, far from it. Give the guy a break.
18 May 2012 16:29:53
be an absolute joke if we got Michael Laudrup he is a joke !
his win % for mallorca is 30%
and for spartak moscow it was 28%
i couldnt cope with having this guy and id understand if no fans turned up to game same goes for roberto martinez
we need either avb , van gaal , klopp or benitez !!!
18 May 2012 16:26:59
Avram Grant resigned today.
18 May 2012 16:23:53
AVB may be the new manager as roma have resigned vincenzo montella as there new head coach probably the highest calibire we can get just now and has probably the most tatically sound manager avaliable
AVB is not ''tactically sound'' Did you see Chelsea under his management ? We beat them 3 times under AVB and we've been dire this season.
Actually it was 2 times
18 May 2012 16:21:24
I don't understand why people are getting there knickers in a twist? The owners said at the start of the season that they would be disappointed if we didnt challenge for a top 4 spot or words to that effect. We didn't challenge. We sacked the people responsible for not challenging for a top 4 place. Now they are looking for people who WILL challenge for a top 4 spot. What the hell is so wrong?
I'd look at as many managers as possible to if it was my money on the line.
What's the problem? Man up for f sake.
Gazman
I'm not sure Rodgers or Martinez will challenge top 4 just yet
Greg YNWA
Spot on m8
Chief
Excellent post - and another endorsement why the Bring Back Benitez lobbyists should have a rethink. Oh wait a minute, he does live local, and his family like the area - perfect credentials to be our next manager.
How long will they give thier new man to challenge for a top 4 place?
If Martinez, or AVB, or whomever finishes 6th, 8 points of the top 4 next year will he be given another year? If not, then we have a problem, and if yes, wouldn't it surely have made more senss to let Kenny have another year rather than starting again with a new manager with new ideas?
The fact that the only confirmed interest (despite the supposed 8-12 man shortlist) are in two managers with little track record doesn't inspire confidence either.
Reply,to Greg Ynwa .your post was almost correct the only part you got wrong was the wordJUST YET. You meant NEVER
So what happens if the next manager fails to get a top 4 finish next season? Will he get sacked just like Kenny? I'm starting to have my doubts about these FSG guys, I really hope we don't have another Hicks & Gillett on our hands here.
I'd be happy if we get near top 4. We were know where.
No confusion - just hard cold fact. That's what businessmen deal in. No other rival is any different.
Gazman
Rephrase that mate, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ONLY HEARD OF 2 CONTACTED.
Liverpool do things behind closed doors, these stories have come from the other side! We could have easily already spoken to 2/3 higher profile managers who keep thier lips sealed unlike Wigan and Swanseas chairmen.
RedSox69
18 May 2012 16:15:34
Not really a rumour, more of a fact! A Group of fans are having a "Rafa Return" protest at Anfield at 6.30 tonight! To demands the return of the bloke that spent over £200M on mainly poor players (Josemi, Nunez, Pellegrino, Carson, Kromkamp, Gonzalez, Penant, Voronin, Babel, Dosenna, KEANE, Riera, Degen, Injured AQUALANI!) .....and sold Alonso, Garcia, & Riise!
Need I say anymore! NO TO RAFA!
Rafa never wanted aquilani and if there's any truth to be read from the book An Epic Swindle, he was offered him for cheap and didnt cost anywhere near the quoted 18 million. I think there are a lot of incorrect 'facts' floated around about Rafa.
Galls {Ed002's Note - I have explained recently what Aquilani actually cost and you should be able to search on it.}
A Protest Never!!
It's a bit of a Hobby up here
You mean the manager Rafa that took us to two champions lge finals and winning one..... that Rafa. And the same Rafa that bought Torres,Alonso,Reina aswell as filled our youth system with great talent?
Oh yeah Pennant that was playing out of his skin, Carson best young keeper at time, Gonzalez one great winger, Babel that had choice at time of any club in world, Dossena the 1st choice italian right back and Keane who has deleivered at all clubs bar Liverpool. Mmmm such as bad choice who didnt hold the funds to purchase all the players which some was made behind his back.
I reckon rafa must be paying them!
jg
Benitez won't be in a position where he has to sign 5/6 cheap players at once to have enough depth for a top 4 finish (which is why he signed Josemi, Kromkamp, Gonzo, Pennant, Voronin etc.) or in a position where he can only buy from clubs that owe us money (Aqua, Jonno) were he to come in now.
All he has to do is not sign another Robbie Keane.
And I love the way you criticise him for selling 3 playes, 2 of whom he bought in the first place and wanted to leave. How old are you?
Oh, and for the record, Martinez's record signing is Mauro Boselli. Cost him most of his budget that window.
He did well at Wigan didn't he?
A Rafa return protest, are you taking the mickey? For crying out loud we really are turning into a laughing stock.
This is so negative of u.
1st thing LOOK AT THE POSITIVES, torres,reina,alonso,mashchernho,lucas,garcia,aggar,johnson, no dbt bebal and aqua failed but they are good players. signings never come with a guarantee to succeed. robinho,shevchenko,deco many greats have come n gone at many teams empty handed .
1st thing is at a big club like liverpool signings are made every year, some fail some pass but that doesn't make the manager bad or good. what makes it is quality of the good player we had at his time...AFTER RAFA LEFT, we havent have made a good signings except suarez. its been 3 years .
2nd thing look at two different examples of kenny and rafa. kenny was given a go on signing HIS PLAYERS 35mln carroll, hendo,downing etc..and at rafa's time we used to be linked with villa, aguero but never was backed by then owners to sign his players, what was given to him was ROBBY KEANE. LOL point is rafa was always asked to forget his thoughts n transfer vision n adjust to the budget available which was hardly that much. rafa never got the chance to MAKE HIS IDEAL SIGNINGS. thats when risk was taken on players like aqua or bebal, riera .good average players,
He won the FA Cup, the CL (two finals) and got us to second place in PL while running the club under terrible owners! Also got CL 5 from 6 seasons.
He brought in Reina, Skrtl, Agger, Lucas, Alonso, Macha, and Torres to create the best spine the team has had for a very long time!
Some, not all, but certainly some, of his signings were due to owners restricting money for his 1st, 2nd, choices so he settled for bargains - always a risk.
Some, not all, but certainly some of his sales were down to players choosing to leave (bad owners).
His net spend was approx £100m over 6 years. Still a lot, but NET is what counts at the end of the day.
I'm not a Rafa lover, but don't only post from one point of view!
LFC_SA
Rafa spend exactly nothing on pellegrino
degen voronin they were free transfers fact . rafa made a profit on transfers in his last two seasons and you expect him to win the league while doing this.
soul man
He also brought in FT at a time when he was one of the worlds most sought after players, then theres Mascherano, Arbeloa, Alonso, etc. What you must understand is, he was being strangled financially by H&G so had to sell some players what he felt would make a lot of money (30mil Alonso) to rebuild in other areas, ie width and another striker, but as we know now, the Cowboys who were in charge then, took the money and ran.... and left Rafa looking like a fool. Do you honsetly believe Voronoin and the like were his first choice!!!When your broke you can only feed of the scraps, our debt (or meeting the payments every yr) at the time was killing us.......Thats why Rafa had to settle for 2nd or 3rd rate players, yes he did also make mistakes in the transfer market, Aqua, Dossena etc, but show me one manager who hasn't..... all of them have bought duds in the past, thats football, some work some don't. Bergkamp was a legend at Arsenal but he couldn't adapt to italian football prior to that, and thats the way it goes. Rafa would not be a bad choice, he knows the club and would love to be part of something where lies and deception from the boardroom wasn't something he has to deal with. How he kept it together, I'll never know. He fought for honesty from the board and got the sack for it. How many men do you know would sign a cheque for close to 100k for the JFT fund......doubt Woy did that when he left with a big purse.....If the owners gave him a chance (a rolling 1yr contract based on performance and a top 4 finish) I believe he would deliver......a Rafa without his hands tied would relish this opportunity....... Rgds Limerick Red.
18 May 2012 16:15:28
Been unable to post this week which is probably a good thing. Have to say never really wanted kk back but he deserved better than this, another year. We have to ask how far we have fallen though if we are linked withthe likes of Martinez and Rodgers. They have achieved nothing to warrant a job of this stature. Out of the possible candidates does anyone seriously think there is any other manager except rafa likely to get us into the top four?
The bar has been set now, top 4 or the sack, if kk could not be given any longer then how the hell can another manager be.
I'm aware the owners never really wanted him in the first place, but then that raises some serious questions? Just what are they playing at, why didn't they have the strengh to do what they thought was best back then?
Now those that called for kk out are likely to reap what they sowed, we will not get pep or mourinhio like the clowns think, the owners are driving down wages so the top players will not becoming, especially to an unproven Martinez type.
If kk is to blame for no 4th then who is getting fired for still no stadium??
Is everyone 100% certain the owners aren't just getting the wages down and with the sponsorship deals now in place, break even for the next couple of years and then sell us when the recession is over at a proffit ( as they got us way under value )? Let's face it next year is massive, and the owners have as much to prove to me as the new manager.
Meanwhile how many of rafas targets will be enjoying the summer as champions? Including a certain gareth Barry.
He put the accadamy and the staff in place, now put him in charge and give him some cash, let's face it if he is no good then Martinez and Rodgers will have proved themselves for another season, or we will know they weren't good enough.
RNred
Brendan Rodgers - I'd rather have Ginger Rogers than bring Benitez back, any fool can target top players, especially with the knowledge that they could get more money going elsewhere - ie: Gareth Barry, James Milner.
18 May 2012 16:01:42
Ed001 some people on twitter claiming Rogers would take the job if offered he just doesn't want to give the interview. Any truth in it?
don't you feel most managers who have a job would not want to upset their fans by publicly going for an interview if they end up not getting the Job {Ed001's Note - I don't know, but I would not think he would take the job. I really don't see why he would want the job just yet, maybe a year or two down the line.}
18 May 2012 16:09:34
Quick thought, if FSG are so media savvy etc and love monitoring popularity etc, why dont they just come on to this site, that way they will see what most real LFC fans think! no need to go anywere else! AJH316
18 May 2012 15:57:03
Dirk Kuyt to stay at Liverpool after Kenny Dalglish's dismissal
"I hope I can stay with Liverpool," Kuyt told Algemeen Dagblad. "But that's what I said the last couple of months.
"With Dalgish as manager I didn't have the illusion he would let me start from the beginning [of matches] next season. We have to wait and see now. I'm not sure yet what Liverpool will do with this manager vacancy."
SLURed
18 May 2012 15:56:45
I think frank de boer would be a good choice as manager he's young he wouldn't command massive wages and he has got a excellent knowledge of Dutch an European football plus the added bonus off playing attractive football he tick many of the boxes and he would attract more played than the likes off Martinez
I think he ticks all the boxes for FSG. young, recent success, bloods youth, used to the ajax system which is along the same lines as the one they want to run. If they saw pep being the 1st choice because he was used to this system then I think that Frank would have to be thought of as #2. just an opinion
KevtheRed~
18 May 2012 15:56:15
This is getting quite entertaining and it seems that several posters on this site are claiming to be ITK and 100% accurate as to who the manager will be - with about ten possibilies to date! To save time and give us all a chuckle at your expense, could everybody who makes these claims reply below. If you're so confident, you won't see any problem with putting your name and insider knowledge for us to see?
Thanks for everything Kenny, massive respect.
LOL, dont seem to be that many ITK's scrambling to leave their name and managerial candidates name, gotta love em.
RED4lifeNOTjust4XMAS
18 May 2012 15:55:49
LOL, you have to laugh at this lad 'red indian' he was the one leading the charge for Kenny to go. Now he is calling it a nightmare that we are left in lingo? Lunacy.
Jatt YNWA
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Jatt my freind sorry but you are wrong I was the one who when came to my view said categorically that kenny is not the man for long term but he must stay for this year as the name is kenny and now who ever comes will be under his shadow which is not fair.
Red indian
Red Indian is right there. I remember clicking "agree" to his comment.
The Real KB
So let me get this right, you wanted Kenny to get another year, and then get sacked? So regardless of what he did if he was given another year, you would still like to see him sacked right? Like I said you wanted Kenny out, only difference is you wanted him out next year, which in my mind is a worse argument.
Jatt YNWA
Red Indian, I check this site fairly reguarly at work, and I have come to learn that scrolling ever so fast past your comments is a wise move. Agree with Jatt
I never said sack him after the second season Jatt I said give him one more year even after the nightmare 1 that he had because he is Kenny the LFC legend any other manager would have been sacked lot early.
If Kenny would have improved then he would have stayed but way he handled suarez affair and what he signed foe money spent sorry to say he was stretching his legend thing too long.
Thats my view and I stand by it. I don't need approval from anyone on same.
Red Indian
PS:Thanks KB for the truth.
18 May 2012 15:55:45
Good day Ed's , do we have a big chance of getting Villas Boas ? i think he would be the best choice , way better than martinez and he could bring the chelsea chick eva carneiro to anfield and be our physio :D !!!
thanks {Ed002's Note - Not a great chance.}
Calling women "Chick"
I guess it would be your only chance to talk to a woman when she came out the tunnel!!
Aaahh the physio! lets forget about the managers and dof and sign the physio first
She is rather splendid!
18 May 2012 15:54:42
Where's RedTurk and his band of merry men (BJH, S P etc)? Gone hiding?! Singred
SingRed.
Good lord. You are infuriating. I've never seen someone so bitter because someone disagrees with them.
Is this a grudge that will never end?
It's not my fault the owners agreed with me that a change was needed - or that I was of the opinion by the end of January that potentially - all was not well.....
Nor was it my fault that we were dreadful since then, compounding my fears.
Nor is it my fault that as a result of these things, I was capable of reassessing how I thought things were going and felt a change was needed.
Read one of the many posts I have written, (usually detailed) on where I stood in the past and why I changed my mind.
I also posted (again in a lot of detail) addressing our tactical failures in the post-Jan period, misuse of players etc.
I also posted at the end of the transfer window (as many did) saying I feared we would go backwards, as Kenny had not addressed any of the main problem areas in the squad - even more worryingly - he said he was genuinely happy with the squad we possessed, and seemed sincere.
I told you this only yesterday/the day before.
These issues have been addressed before by me - and usually in more detail, and in a way that was given more thought than I have ever seen you summon.
All you do is give abuse.
You and RedTurk are one and the same.
Causing division amongst LFC fans is all you seem to do, whilst claiming some kind of moral superiority.
I have answered you politely before, it seemed a waste of time.
To be fair - your posts offer nothing, just drivel. Like the one I am replying to.
Also...
Why on earth would I be hiding? Did I miss something?
We're just looking for a new manager - Whats the panic about? What goes on in your little mind is beyond me.
I see no reason why we can't have a better season next year.
BJH YNWA (I'll reply to your posts in future if you have anything remotely constructive to add to the conversation. Good luck to you, fellow Red.)
ps - I genuinely wish you well. Lets look forward to the summer - enough nonsense.
18 May 2012 16:05:04
Truth is, we are looking at alot of high profile coaches, and some lesser profile young hot shots. Not sure which way we'll go, but money talks, and our owners have the money to make even an elite coach happy. For that reason I wouldn't rule out anyone. I think Guardiola would be a major longshot, but what if he was offered 10 million and given a 100 million kitty? Sounds crazy, but Kenny essentially got the same (well, probably not 10 million but he got the transfer money).
18 May 2012 15:54:31
All these top manager turning us down... Get Rafa.. his the only world class manager that wants us.
What the hell makes Benitez a world class manager - sacked by Liverpool and then a complete failure at Inter Milan - worse thing to happen to LFC was him not selling his house and going back to Spain
You surely haven't got a clue...
right now rafa is EXACTLY what we need. a man who knows and loves the club (like KK) but with the added difference he's actually got good tactical acumen. remember he's the guy who out smarted the mighty mourinho.
he only got the boot at lfc as a result of his power struggle with purslow/H&G, not so much the 7th place. they just wanted him gone and that was the excuse.
at inter he was told one thing upon taking the role then told another through he season. he wanted to overhaul the squad as he felt it was pretty much at the end and he's been proven right as since then they've won/done nothing.
he did win the world club cup so not too bad.
with FSG backing him, i beleive rafa would, with 3-4 quality additions, transform the same squad into top 4 contenders again. he just needs to stick to coaching and leave all the politicing to others.
sinner21
What makes rafa a world class manager is the fact hes won two spanish leagues a uefa cup a champions league fa cup was 2nd in the prem reached another champions league a league cup
thats what makes him world class
soul man
18 May 2012 15:52:21
What I want from a manager
A lot of posts about managers have defined what they look for in a manager but in terms of what they have done in the past.
I'm more interested in what they will do in the future.
1. Most importantly for me, instil confidence into the squad. I don't think any of our last 4 managers have been particularly strong on this. I'm certain there can be a big improvement in performance and results from this even before we improve the squad and tactics.
2. Provide tactics that are effective and adaptable.
3. Maintain discipline in the squad.
4. Good man management.
5. Develop players to fulfil their potential.
6. Represent the club well.
So how do the candidates stack up on this?
What else do we want in the future from our next manager?
Travellingmike
18 May 2012 15:51:02
Not really a follower of french football, and my knowledge of montpeller stems to carlos valderamma. Girard. Why him? Not havin a pop i am genuinely interested in the eds obsession. Cheers
FowlerisGod {Ed002's Note - It is not an obsession. It is simply I have been asked the same question over and over again and been consistent with my answer. I have explained the reason in answer to a Thommo or whatever who is apparently bored of hearing the same answer. We will just delete all such posts from now on.}
Alright lad.How hostile are you
FowlerisGod
Looooooooool..
Theyre having a long day mate, ed01 has gone off a couple times too haha, id be pulling out the straps if i were them..
RedSox69
Jesus Ed002, Ed001 said it was a joke!! sorry if i offended you!!! {Ed002's Note - I can only assume Ed001 was jolong when Ed001 said it was a joke. Since the operation he has gotten weird like that. Why would anyone joke about Girard?}
18 May 2012 15:48:34
Hmmmm Brendon Rogers turns down an interview. Wigan's Whelan says LFCdont know what they are doing. This is getting a bit embarrassing.
18 May 2012 15:43:38
I give Roberto Martinez a season at the most. Come May 2013 we will have finished mid-table again, not won a trophy and will most probably have been knocked out of the Europa Cup early doors by some far flung Eastern European side, with a name you can't pronounce. The fans will be jamming the message boards spewing expletives and venting their hatred for Martinez (just as they did to Kenny & Hodgson & Rafa & Houllier before him)
So I may as well be the first fickle fan to say it, before everybody else jumps on the bandwagon....."SACK MARTINEZ NOW"
18 May 2012 15:43:13
There could be a possibilty of Pep Guardiola being our manager, simply by the fact that he admires our club.
Pep Guardiola: "If you see how to play Barcelona at this time, it means you're watching how to play Liverpool in its golden ages."
But still, it looks impossible as he stated that he wanted a break.
Where do you get this quote from in your imaginary head {Ed002's Note - Man I love this stuff.}
Ed2 have you got a Head or just a neck with a Imaginary Head!!!lol
Or did he mean did you imagine it in you head!!
Lyndon
18 May 2012 15:35:56
Looks like we arent getting a DOF now according to Ayre as the job will be shared amongst several different staff, which i think is good and is hopefully indicative of Rafa being brought back.I think and hope that they have already settled for rafa but are just sussing out the other managers anyway to see what they have to say.Rodgers probably declined because he knows he hasnt a hope of getting the job
Galls
Please please say this is true
18 May 2012 15:34:48
When u go bk 3 seasons and see we finiseh 2nd were consistently in champions league semis nd a few finals. put in a managierial role i must say i think id find it difficult to mess the whole thing up... so fair play to the club owners and managers like it really is madness
18 May 2012 15:34:02
Avram Grant has just resigned with regards to taking up the Liverpool Managers job
Please let this not be true......please
The same Avram Grant that has got two BPL relegations in two years. Portsmouth and West Ham. Not even worth talkind regarding to Liverpool.
18 May 2012 15:29:48
all i hear is people not wanting x as manager coz there not good enough for liverpool. we need to face reality were no longer a top 4 side. whoever comes in is going to be up against it straight away. dont think were that far from getting back there with a bit of investment. so whoever takes this job will be brave.
ps i agree with the sacking of king kenny
18 May 2012 15:24:40
Hey eds when would you expect a dof and new manager to be in place {Ed002's Note - No idea.}
18 May 2012 15:23:19
hi eds is there anyone within the liverpool ranks at the moment that you believe is/could be a possibility or deserves a chance to take up the managers position and why? and no i dont mean players {Ed002's Note - No.}
18 May 2012 15:19:08
Wow,
I've seen at least dozen names of the new manager from the "inside informers" in the last days...I'm sure one of them is right. The same goes with DOF. Let's just wait and see. Any chance Eds that the next manager will be British?
Hopefully not
18 May 2012 15:19:03
Whelan said: "We played there [at Liverpool] about two months ago. There's no heart at the club. It's a bit disturbing when you think a club like Liverpool is functioning without a heart. I mentioned that to Roberto and I think there's no heart beating at Liverpool. I think the sooner they get a heart the better.
I find this very worrying for our club. Whelan always has nice things to say about Liverpool and it's a damning indictment of the way the owners are operating.
CRB
Wheel an for managing director then eh
Robbie
Whelan has got no right to speak out like that in my opinion, respect others in your frame of work.
How happy il be when all the pieces are put together and all the haters and doubters will be staring with thier mouth open.
RedSox69
18 May 2012 15:16:15
hey eds and fellow reds,
Long time Liverpool fan from the states here. Been tracking all of the info regarding the vacant manager position. While I think we should get behind and give our full backing to whoever should get the position, I think it would be a shame if we didn't look internally at our own Mr. Borrel. Agree?
18 May 2012 15:11:21
I dont believe what is happening with LFC !
The liverpool of old : there is NO WAY ON GODS EARTH would we ever hire a manager through the media !
We now have the ultimate insult when Brendan Rogers even refuses to talk to LFC ... all down through the press... what on earth is Ian Ayre doing with our club ??
What does Brendans refusal tell us?.... The LFC managers job is a poison chalice. Dalglish was held in the highest of esteem by all the premiership managers, to be sacked for coming 8th and getting to Wembley 3 times in his first season is sending out a HUGE MESSAGE: The LFC board and the owners havnt got a clue what they are doing. The job is now a poison chalice and I dont blame Brendan for not being interested.
We are Liverpool... or so we used to be !
hand on heart would ANY manager have refused to speak with LFC ..... even 3 years ago ?
The answer is no, which tells us everything we need to know. FSG have shown gross ineptitude in the sacking of Kenny and no matter who they get, he will do no better than Kenny did in 16 months...... we are now a poor mans chelski, this will be our 4th manager in 3 years
I despair at what the management team continue to do............ GET A GRIP FSG !! this is our club your cocking up!!
These two cowboys are proving to be worse than the last two
Tel 1949
The owners were not happy with 8th place maybe yu was , but i was not and to play so wel against chelski then get beat by swansea , wel that should tell you that the players dont listen t kenny and only play their best when they play the bigger teams
I rarely disagree with you, Tel 1949, and your post echoes my worst fears. All I can say is lets try to keep calm until we know who they appoint.
I have to say I'm getting pretty worried myself
cozinoz
FSG has nothing to do with Rogers rejecting us. We are not the only club in the whole world. Not every single manager in the world "dreams" of managing Liverpool. Again, Rogers probably thought this was not the right time for him personally to manage Liverpool. He still has to learn a lot.
Tekneek
Cool off, mate, what's done is done. It's their call now. There may be a silver lining...macca said 'to trust them' Singred
Tel 1949....stop moaning! Liverpool's in good hands, you'll see! Unlike almost everybody here I'm optimistic over these big changes because the stuff we did for the last 22 years did not work....this is needed, simple as! So keep the faith brothers YNWA! Top 4, next season, I'll put money on it ;-)
18 May 2012 15:03:11
Hey ed's terrific job on a fantastic site
but,any chance you could ban those two annoying posters "watch this space" and "you heard it here first" those guys/gals do my head in
blank
Gonna sign Messi, honest, watch this space. You heard it here first folks
FowlerisGod
Dont need to sign messi. We have our very own messi thanks its called fsg
18 May 2012 15:10:01
Ed,
Will potential player sales at Liverpool be on pause as well as transfers in until a new manager is appointed? For example would the club sell Suarez or Skrtel in current climate or wait until the new manager comes in?
Thanks
Kam {Ed002's Note - No transfers outside of England can be completed until July 1 - but I really don't know what the plans are.}
18 May 2012 15:05:49
Hey Eds
I'm not asking this question to try and get any insight into who you think we are gonna, as its safe to assume, no one knows who we are really after (apart from, when its officially reported in the media, ie Martinez and Rodgers, so far)
I would just like to who the Eds/Macca who like to see, in a realistic world (ie mourinho, as much as he would be awesome) I know one Ed likes Girard for instance..
Cheers
Ray {Ed002's Note - Girard.}
Thats getting boring ed002 lol
Tomsy x {Ed002's Note - Well if people stopped asking the same question you would not keep seeing it. Girard is a very well respected manager and works well with younger players and has given many a chance over the years. Girard is wanted again by the FFF but I think could perhaps be persuaded to look at the challenge at Liverpool. I am sorry you are so bored by this.}
Girard all day for me. He may be the wrong side of 85, but he still knows his stuff!
Ash {Ed002's Note - This is why it is a waste of time answering any questions a lot of the time. As I have said - I will delete all such posts from now on to save you whatever a Tomsy is the bother of perhaps learning a little something.}
I found it hilarious Ed to be honest.
Ash {Ed002's Note - It remains hard for me to understand why - but still. I am sure if Girard were to see how tritely he would be considered by the fans even if FSG did have the sense to approach Montpellier he would not be interested.}
18 May 2012 15:05:12
Bielsa as mgr, Rodolfo as his asst mgr, Steve Clarke to manage the reserves. Tixi as DOF. Job done.
18 May 2012 13:30:21
This is a question for (Ed 02) who in your opinion do you think we should go for as are new manager I think Martinez cause you never know he could be our very own pep guardiola ? Cause if you think about it barcelonas b team is surly better than Wigans first team and in my opinion Martinez hasn't done a bad job
The best smarty in the tube bar none {Ed002's Note - For me I think Rener Girard could be persuaded to attend an interview and he would be my choice.}
18 May 2012 09:35:04
can ed002 tell me what type of Manager Deschamps is and whether he would want to come to Liverpool and whether he would be good enough to take a team to another level? {Ed002's Note - I like Deschamps and he is generally liked by players although there has been the occasional falling out. Where there have been significant problems with players they have been moved on - Ben Arfa being the obvious example. It is tough to answer if he is "good enough" or not but he is available and has to be a consideration.}
18 May 2012 14:59:41
3 managers currently out of work
- Frank Rijkaard
- Marco Van Basten
- Rafa Benitez
I think rijkaard is the manager of Saudi Arabia at the moment
Van Basten great player but not familiar with his management record , just gonna google it now !!
Rijkaard was recently sacked by Saudi Arabia, wasn't he?
cozinoz
18 May 2012 14:58:47
Eds, do you realistically see FSG spending a decent amount this year to help us get in the race for the top four?
Thanks {Ed001's Note - they will have to.}
18 May 2012 14:43:58
To all you people who say that we should support the club through thick and thin and give the owners time should consider what would have happened if we did that to Hicks and Gillet. If it wasnt for the fans campaigning against H and G then Liverpool would be in administration now. Plus if we should give the owners time toget it right, why didnt they give Kenny time. They just dont understand football.
Is it just me who is getting mad at everything Ian Ayre says! He said that the owners advisors werent involved with the decision to sack Kenny which basically means the owners and Ian Ayre mad a football decision that they know better than Kenny Dalglish!
There is a real danger than the fans dont take to the the manager just like Hodgson and we actually go backwards. They have put themselves in a terrible position.
Andy
Don't over hype yourself "Comrade"
H&G left because the banks wanted their money back.
You'll be on abot Demos and Burning ya Bra next!!
Lyndon
No-one wanted Kenny to be given at least another season in-charge more than me. Results this season did not reflect some of the performances and with the addition of a couple of quality attacking players I thought we would put up a decent challenge for a top four spot next season. I have defended his record all season and will continue to do so. He is a club legend and if anyone thinks the calibre of manager being linked with us is any better than Kenny then they are mistaken.
But we have to accept whoever comes in to the managers roll next season is going to need time to shape the squad and playing style, and this will take time. We cannot keep coming onto these forums after every game, no matter what the result, and complain about the team selection, style, substitutions etc etc. We have to accept that there is no magic answer and we will suddenly be competing again next season.
When I started supporting Liverpool Souness was the manager but despite the dreadful players and playing style it was unheard of to criticise him or boo them off the pitch. Now, we have become like Newcastle fans. Protesting against the owners because we want our favourite (Kenny/Rafa, Keegan/Shearer) to be the manager. We need to start supporting the club again, not the manager.
JRG
"They just don't understand football"
I'm not convinced this is true, they made it quite clear at the start of last season they needed at least a top four finish....end of season this wasn't achieved so they made changes....for me this doesn't show ignorance, I think it demonstrates a need to compete with the top teams.
I've worked with Americans for years and if you tell them something will be done and it's doesn't happen it f**king annoys them, I think the real problem here is we don't understand Americans.
Oh and as far as the fans taking to the new manager, considering some of the things I've seen and heard from ˜the fan's' say on this site and on others, quite frankly I don't trust there judgement either, whoever the new manager is I'm going to give him a chance.
Bazingaa
18 May 2012 14:43:22
I would make Ian Ayre CEO and Dof. The man is a genuis, he seems so dynamic and clued in. With Ayre at the helm we will only go one way....
Ha. Let's give him freedom of the city.
DaveyBootle
I See. Seasons over so you can't have a go
at the players anymores
So time to have a go at The Board.
What great faultless life's you must lead
Lyndon
18 May 2012 14:42:43
Who are the 12 managers?
18 May 2012 14:40:53
FSG SAVED US FROM GOING BUST!!!
G.Baker
So you think no-one else was gonna buy the club?
18 May 2012 14:36:54
Is anyone else having problems posting, using. Android 4.03.its taking me ages to write one line. It was working fine until I flashed ICS
I'm having no problem at all posting using Android since I haven't the faintest idea what it is - Eds don't you think you should give some kind of posting priority to those of us with very limited technical expertise, since we have to do far more work than these whizkids just to get a message sorted. Or perhaps an old-gits section of the page?
Puzzled
Royal Mail, perhaps?
18 May 2012 14:36:37
The fact of the matter is the longer we leave all the vacancies open the worse cos the new managers targets might have all ready done pre agreements FSG know what they are doing to a certain extent but they need to realise that this is football not baseball totally diffrent they want a top 4 finish henry needs to open his purse cos the way i see it we need 100mill to spend for top 4 cos we are way below par
It's been 3 days get a grip!
18 May 2012 14:32:22
Have Guus Hiddink or Carlo Ancelotti been mentioned yet?
The only names that have not been mentioned are Snoop Dog and Skippy the Bush Kangaroo. I prefer Skippy myself very helpful guy
Pretty sure Hiddink took an extremely well paid job in Russia and Carlo's at PSG who seem to have very very deep pockets to buy players so why would he come here?
Hiddink and ancelotti.
There u go
G.baker
Yeah but think of all the magic green grass snoop could supply the players would be floating instead of running
Who's skippy?
18 May 2012 14:32:01
My REALISTIC (by realistic I am not including the likes of pep, klopp, mourinio) dream team:
I'd have Biesla as manager, rodolfo his No.2
pep seguro and tikixi in a joint dof role
David dein as md and ayre in charge of financial recruitment
(Ian Ayre has said that some roles will be shared so that there could be 2 or 3 people involved with the duties of a DOF)
Now that would excite fans and give them some sort of hope.
Perfect !!
18 May 2012 14:31:57
Hi eds,
Personally I feel we need a manager who knows how to win trophies. I feel Martinez would be a very poor choice as manager even though he has done a good job at Wigan. I would love to see Klopp as manager as e done a great job at Dortmund. People who think Guardiola will be next manager are miles off the plot. Rafa wont be either. I know e done a good job b4 but that was in the past we need to look to the future. with a manager like Klopp he could bring some of his Dortmund squad. I would love to see Subotic or Hummels and Kagawa to follw? I would like do ask you eds or Macca would Klopp be interseted in Liverpool? cheers doing a great job to an ever present viewere.
Irish REd YNWA! {Ed001's Note - I would love to think he would be interested, but I can't see any reason for him to want the job.}
18 May 2012 14:28:53
Kenny should have been in place until the ideal man was a done deal!
FSG= CHAOS,SHAMBLES.
No top manager no top players will be attracted to join the sinking ship that is LFC.
Its like asking people to hop back onboard the titanic 2 minutes before she sinks.
Well done FSG
What optimism? I love the ridiculous level of impatience on this site. Two points.
1. You have no idea what's going on, if tomorrow they announced pep as the manager you'd be ecstatic and announce genius.
2. How would that of been fair and decent to KK. "Kenny you're fired but hang around till we find a replacement" or even worse they just sneak around behind his back. Yeah all the best managers would want to join a club showing that type of honour.
Show some faith you clown!! Or at least a small amount of patience!
There is no need for a manager at this time, no one at the club
18 May 2012 14:28:37
OK, let's clarify some house rules, here.
1 No-one who posts on this site knows anything about the precise intentions of FSG and anyone who claims to be "in the know", isn't. Please stop your smug rubbish.
2 Notwithstanding point 1, banter, speculation and rumour is all good fun and the whole point of these fora.
3 If you want to spout bile in the general direction of anyone associated, or mentioned in connection with, Liverpool Football Club, clear off and support someone else.
This club is about winning in style and always with respect to the opposition and, if we lose, to do so with magnanimity and dignity. That's why we were never so universally hated throughout the 70s & 80s as Utd are now.
You'll never walk alone was chosen for a reason. Think some people need to learn their history.
Mrpjd
Ooooh you are forceful
Puzzled
18 May 2012 14:26:39
Eds,
I wonder if you can do me a favour please ?
I've been asked by the local Campaign for Real Ale if I get a do on for them to try out the new beer "Stagnant Puddle".
Can you put me in touch with anyone at Liverpool FC who can organise a pi55 up in a brewery ?
Ta as ever,
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - sorry mate, anyone who could do that has been removed I am afraid.}
18 May 2012 14:26:33
is there any interest in Martin O'Neil? always been a top manager; got an average side in villa to be a consistent top 6 club. to be honest as things stand liverpool are an average squad so in my opinion would be ideal. and he turned sunderland around last season. dont know too much about his signings though...
Martin O'Neil !!!!! God it gets worse. I'd rather see Ian Holloway in charge
18 May 2012 14:26:27
i think ppl should calm down a bit and realise that to be a success you need the right manager for the team,the right players and never say die attitude, it doesnt matter what manager we get nobody can predict if pep or klopp would be any better than martinez we all wanted kenny and that didnt work so as long as he gets the best out of the players what differents does his name make lets be honest whoever it is couldnt make any worse signing than the king
18 May 2012 14:26:06
Gutted Kenny has gone but we need to just get on with it and back the new manager whoever that may be. As long as he brings back Alonso (or Alsono player manager), a decent winger and another top quality striker, I will be fairly happy.
Alonso player/manager?! What have you been smoking!?
18 May 2012 14:26:02
Hey guys I seriously can not believe the names of managers we are linked with, I have nothing against Martinez, I think his Wigan side try to play the right way but for me he is way to inexperienced and would not attract quality.
In my opinion if we can not get bielsa, klopp or Pep, I would have to go Rodolfo Borrell, he has done a fantastic job for us and Deserves a crack ahead of the likes of Martinez, Rodgers and Lambert.
It's going to be a crazy few weeks, let's just hope the owners start sorting this circus out, because the last few weeks my mind has been all over the place.
G BOX
Agree Martinez, rodgers and Lambert will as out of depth (maybe more) as Roy, we dont want these bottom half of the table managers same as we dont want their players. What top star will see Bredan rodgers as a manager he really wants to work under. they'll probably target the players they are used to signing at their small clubs and improve the squad very little!
18 May 2012 14:25:42
Hi eds having another winge.it s my understanding that fsg are taking advise from people? Is it alex ferguson or the chuckle brothers cheers psv {Ed001's Note - they are taking advice, but who it is I have no clue.}
18 May 2012 14:25:28
Ed1, this ones for you really...Why do you dislike AVB so much?
Some of the other eds fancy him to do a good job, in all honesty, I have not got a clue on who we should go for as I have not watched any football this season away from Liverpool. I did ask Ed22 if he could do some manager profiles as I have found the player profiles to be fascinating and helpful, but alas he has not answered me on that one.
All though I still respect rafa (many will not agree) I do agree that we should not go back there, if I could choose myself it would be Low from the German national team but I understand that it would be impossible right now. I also agree with you ed1 regarding the state of the club, it is a shambles and a shame really.
I was hoping we would win the prem league in my lifetime, but it seems that it may not happen before I die.
Slimboy {Ed001's Note - because AVB has no tactical flexibility. He comes in and sets things up to play one particular way, when it is not working he just continues regardless. For me, a good coach should come in and assess the players he had, then set up a style of play to suit them initially. Over time he should gradually introduce players to fit the style he prefers to play and evolve the team's tactics into that style. AVB seems totally incapable of doing that.}
I may be coming round to your way of thinking ed1, it did seem that he was childishly stubborn about playing a high line with ageing defenders at Chelsea. His system may well be effective, but it has to be in the right conditions depending on your players and the teams you play against, but you also have to be flexible to changes from game to game or even while you are playing in one.
You know what, I will just wait and see who we appoint and hope its not another epic fail! ....oh and thanks for the reply ed1.
Slimboy
18 May 2012 14:24:09
Hi Eds and all,
I have a question and possibly something to think about. It all seems a what came first, chicken or egg here as a DoF would want a say over manager I believe and both parties would nee the same vision. So CAN we really get a new manager with no DoF?
Any replies welcome as I am simply curious about my clubs selection process for both roles.
Thank you.
Bazzaa {Ed001's Note - for me a DoF should be first, then he should be involved in picking a manager.}
18 May 2012 14:24:03
On top of Brendan Rodgers snubbing us, Dave Whelan is now publicly saying that he doesn't think the LFC management know what they're doing. Regardless of any hidden agendas, I'm inclined to agree with him.
This whole situation demonstrates lack of knowledge, understanding, planning and decisiveness by the owners/board. What happened to conducting business behind closed doors? Where's our new PR person to handle the communications at such a crucial time??
From the outside it looks like we've lost the plot. Eds, Macca, is the club in as much disarray as it appears to be? Ayre insists they're is a plan. Really? I'm not convinced. {Ed001's Note - Ayre has already shown how little leadership and direction he provides. I have no faith in anything he says, sorry Macca.}
18 May 2012 14:23:05
We have someone already at lfc who has a better track record than the likes of martinez - Jose Segura , he has won a league and cup double at olympiacos and coached at Barcelona b and youth levels.
18 May 2012 14:21:27
Ken Dodd's Dad's Dog's best mate claims Guardiola is coming to Liverpool. It's all rubbish. FSG will most probably settle for Martinez as he is young and has played the game and also has much experience in the top flight. Easy way out but the likes of Guardiola and Capello aren't going to approach a club who is underperforming and rapidly losing its big club status unless ridiculous wages are paid.
18 May 2012 14:19:35
Whover comes in has to have respect from the players, too soft and they will walk all over him, too hard and they wont play and will moan. We have a few ego's and moaners at the club. Thats why it has to be a top Manager from Europe who will hopefully bring in some talent from abroad not because we are in the CL but because of the manager. Who will Martinez for example bring? wigan players? Cant let this drag on, needs to be sorted asap otherwise we will buy the left overs on the last day of the transfer window. MrT
18 May 2012 14:19:29
Jurgen Klinsman DOF
Jurgen Kloop Manager..
BMW new sponsor.
Frankfurters instead of hot dogs in The Centenary.
New autobahn through Walton.
'Taches and mullets back in..
The Real KB
Juergen mad
Robbie
18 May 2012 14:19:09
People raving about Bielsa do know Bilbao finished 10th in la liga, right? {Ed001's Note - and your point is? Do you know anything about Athletic (it is not Bilbao by the way, they are referred to as Athletic)? They are expected to fight relegation every season, anything else is a bonus.}
A bit like Wigan then Ed?
KJS
18 May 2012 14:17:19
What is wrong with Ed001 today
{Ed001's Note - it was a farce a long time ago mate.
This is a shambles and they need to learn from this or we will never get anywhere}
The club is a shambles, being run by people that have shown they are out of their depth and being badly advised- quoted from Ed's comments
What do you expect the owners to do?
The owners have invested over 300million. They appointed people in good faith and let them get on with it, but they have been totally let down by the management team, including Kenny.
Look at the disasters they have caused.
Overpriced signings—DC and KD
Underachieving signing- KD
The Suarez debacle- the whole management team
8th in Prem, 14 wins, results getting worse the longer the season went on
Of course there was/is a need for drastic, firm and immediate action
Andy South Africa
{Ed001's Note - the time for action was when the Suarez episode happened, otherwise it is too late. Still doesn't answer the question why the MD, who should have done more, and themselves, who are supposed to be all media savvy, did nothing. They are the ones that failed as much as anyone else during all this, yet Ayre is now giving interviews about it! If you can't see how much of a shambles this is, then I fear for you.}
Ed01 needs a rest !
It's not a shambles - you take action at the end of a season - we're 5 days on from our final defeat of the season. They met with Dalglish within 48 hrs - how is this a shambles ? You say the owners should have stepped in and solved the Suarez issue. That's precisely what they did after highly paid employees cocked it up massively. If the owners are supposed to do everyone else's jobs they'll be busy bees won't they ?
I'm also getting peeved by the people (Jason McAteer just said this on SSN) who say Kewnny should have been given until Xmas !! What ?? If you have teh slightest doubt about someone you make a change in the summer. When people get sacked at Xmas it usually means the seasons going badly, you make a panic choice of manager or get a caretaker in and panic buy 2/3 new faces in January who may then sit on your wage bill for 4 yrs.
PieInTheSkyMan
18 May 2012 14:12:30
Frankly, I don't view the Rogers situation as a "farce" at all. I think it's fantastic that we are considering the likes of Rogers, Martinez, or Lambert. That is exactly the kind of thinking we need, as opposed to the tired "let's get Rafa/Kenny/Evans/Houllier" approach. You get nowhere by being backward looking and fearful. Look at Borussia Dortmund.
That Roger, Martinez or Lambert might turn us down simply implies they don't feel ready. So what? It reflects poorly on no-one.
18 May 2012 14:11:51
Ed 001.
Martinez or Benitez?
Ash {Ed001's Note - neither.}
Neither wasn't an option Ed.
Ash
18 May 2012 14:10:45
Just thought i'd pass this on.....
If you go to the Liverpool website and look under team profiles etc....
You can go to each player / staff etc, if you change the name at the end of the web address to a name.... say Roberto-Martinez you get a 404 error.
However, when you put in Rafael-Benitez the 404 error page differs to every other managers name I've input....
Just a coincedence?
Because he has been part of Liverpool ,you will get the same if you type kenny ,shankley tomo
18 May 2012 14:09:59
Well you Kenny haters you have got what you wanted, are you all happy now? We are now strongly linked to an average(at best) manager like Martinez who will take us absolutely knowhere fast! People like myself who defended Dalglish (not because of who he is but because we felt he was,long term going to bring us back to the top) were criticised by a lot of people on here, well you clowns certainly know your stuff don't you, and I am certain if Martinez does get the job you will defend him when it all goes wrong and afford him the time that you wouldn't give to the best man for the job, purely to justify your treatment of Kenny! Well done, give yourselves a pat on the back! After the pure lies(in my opinion) coming out of Ian ayres mouth yesterday, is anybody else getting a horrible felling of de javu? If these owners think they can pull the wool over are eyes could somebody post them a dvd of what happened the last time a few yanks tried that! The nuisance they were dealing with bit them rite on the arse and lost them millions!! Be very very careful FSG, because our BITE is much much worse than our BARK!
Waro
Yeah and this season he could have brought back Owen and fowler it would have been great. Took him a season to work out downing was best on the left.
18 May 2012 14:09:14
ANYBODY HELP.can anyone name any good amercian owners in the english game .should have gone shriek
Arsenal, villa have good owners, we have good owners
18 May 2012 14:08:19
Hi ed's, I think if texi is giving the d.o.f job, david dein the other top job , I reckon giving the managers job to martinez could work, and we all know in 12 months , pep guidiola will/could be back on market! He speaks perfect english and spanish, we give him a 2 year contract! And if he hasn't done any good in 1 year! Well thanks but no thanks! And pep could then be asked to take over! Loving this site, not loving r club being linked with every manager going, getting k.o by rodgers, and fans saying he isn't good enough and he isn't that! Trust the owners and give who ever gets it 100% support! No moaning or demonstrations! Just support! Y..N..W..A Dave w
I'm not sure if trusting the owners is the wisest policy mate
18 May 2012 14:06:42
my thoughts:
biesla - would give him a try
hiddink - would love him
klopp - would give him a try but not realistic
martinez - whelan is keen to get rid of him for a reason
rafa - safe bet, would welcome him back. with a proper structure, his role would be clearly defined and could avoid all the politics
avb - after chelsea? no way
deschamps - no idea
rijkaard and pep - coaching barcelona is much easier because of their foundation, no guarantee for success at liverpool
capello - boring football, but safe bet
girard- don't know enough about him but heard good things from one of the eds.
redkenyan {Ed001's Note - Girard was a joke mate!}
Yeah at my expense! not falling for that again ed002... have a feeling she is a chelsea fan!! {Ed002's Note - Actually Girard was serious.}
He's the Montpellier manager previously the French national team assistant and has also managed France u16's and u19's. Would be a decent option IMO.
18 May 2012 14:06:38
Right is it me or has Mr Rodgers been sniffing poppers to much why on earth would he turn down the chance of an interview with us it's a once in a lifetime opportunity and one that dosnt come round often what an absolute penis I know he might not have got the job anyway but it was a chance but by all means stay at the dieing swans
Because he isn't stupid, there is now way he could handle the Liverpool job. He knows he wouldn't make it work.
Arrogant that mate. This is our problem. Why would a manager want to join with owners chopping-and-changing every day?
DaveyBootle
I can see why rodgers turned us down he is an up and coming manager and if he was to fail early in management it wouldnt do his career any good.Its a crawl before you can walk approach rodgers is taking i believe.
gee man
18 May 2012 14:05:15
hey eds what do you think about Rodolfo borrel as Liverpool manager. he seems to have done well with the reserves and youngsters. dont know much of his style of football so was hoping you could help me
does he play attacking style football?
I wouldnt mind any manager as long Ashe gets the team playing good football
thanks :) {Ed001's Note - he plays the Barca style, he would be my second choice after Bielsa.}
Ed what about bielsa with borrel as his number 2? Bielsas credentials speak for them self and borrel would be good along side him as he already knows the club and the players. Steve Clarke could be kept on as a coach. {Ed001's Note - I would love that.}
18 May 2012 13:51:57
Hi Eds, I thought that FSG's preference is to take on a younger manager who can mould a team together over 4-5 years. Surely this would count out Capello (66 next month) and van Gaal (62 in August), which to my mind would be a blessing as they are both ultra-authoritarian (or maybe that's what we need?).
I'm guessing that if they do take an older manager, this would demonstrate that we haven't been able to attract a good enough younger manager and would not be a good sign.
Keep up the good work
18 May 2012 13:50:34
LFC has as asked every Liverpool fan (well over 900.000) to give the name of manager they want to see managing our famous club, you can tweet your choice at the official LFC site right now.
18 May 2012 13:49:45
If you look at the squad it still has rafa all through it ,alot of rafas team still there and before torres came one big one and a little one up top .he wouldn't change to much I think .cheers psv
18 May 2012 13:48:15
After reading all the rumours on our next manager I feel the owners should give Rafa a year to see what he could achieve with this team plus a few additions from Spain.
I like many other fans wasnt too keen on the idea of Rafa but the more I think about the options available and related cost of bringing them in the more I think its a no brainer.
A lot of people say Rafa played boring football. The man was simply ensuring we were defensively sound first. We had a 4-0 Vs Madrid,4-1 Vs Man utd and a 5-0 Vs Villa in three successive games and they wernt boring, people are quick to forget that.
Contrary to reports Rafa actually didnt spend a lot of money, in terms of net spend, less than Spurs, Villa and the likes during his time, would be less if you take into account the money recieved from the Torres, Masch sales.
His man management was always questioned, but Rafa actually says himself that he still remains in touch with players we all think he has alienated.
He has his own style on management and to be honest the majority of the time it gets results. Two Champions league finals winning one, 1 FA cup and a second place finish is nothing to forget. Even in his worst season he did better than KK, no disrespect to the King.
The man has never moved away from Liverpool, that in itself speaks volumes for his affection for the city.
He and his wife have integrated themselves firmly within the community for both club and city and his children are settled in their schools.
He took on Fergie and the anti Liverpool media and if the players had shown some backbone he would have bagged a title in the process.
The man is class in my opinion and I think people are too quick to shoot him down.
It wouldnt cost us anything to bring him back in terms of compensation, I think he'd happily accept a one year rolling contract with performance related extension options, he'd need no time to adjust, he knows Rodolfo and Borrell and would build on the foundations he had help to lay at youth level.
I know Laudrup, Beisla, Klopp, Guardiola etc all sound good....but to me they all represent more of a risk than Rafa at this moment in time, would probably cost us more, would need time to adjust, and have no experience in this league.
Dein, Begiristain, Rafa, Pako & Valero, and if this doesnt work out next season, Guardiola could come in for Rafa and have people around him who he would know from Barcelona which would help feel at home.
Rafa is not perfect, neither is Fergie or Mourinho, he is a tactical genius, he has European pedigree, he is Liverpool through and through, he deserves a second chance.
9Red
A year is not long enough for any manager, this is a policy we need to eradicate and introduce stability, we've been all over the shop for too many years
A year is long enough to improve our league form and potentially get us back into the Champions league, long term plans are all well and good but we cannot afford to miss the Champions league for another season. Rafa has as good if not better chance than anyone to get us into the top 4 again. Also, if Rafa got us back into the Champions league we'd have a better chance of progressing in it with him than in the hands of some of the other managers mentioned.
9Red
18 May 2012 13:45:36
This is a question for Ed 01, just wondering why you're so against AVB?
Thanks! {Ed001's Note - because he is tactically inept, has no idea how to handle players egos and is terrible with the media.}
18 May 2012 13:42:29
For me it's an absolute no brainer......it HAS TO BE Rafa, no ties, loves the club, knows the league, lives locally and can almost guarantee success. There's not a better tactician in world football and (with financial backing) will produce an unstoppable attacking side. All the players who played under him believe in him 100%. the ONLY man for the job
Apart from Alonso.
Alonso?
k-h
I don't disagree but looks to me like there s not the financial backing .theres the problem
Kenny came back and it was a disaster, what makes you think it won't be the same with Rafa?
Funniest post I read today, does Rafa know you have all these feelings for him? fingers crossed you guys work out lol
Bazingaa
18 May 2012 13:40:43
Hey all as a blue am loving this,
But my point is you are no longer in the same bracket as the top team, you are now like us efc trying to be the best of the rest, what gives you the god givin right to be top 4 money tropheys, you have been in decline now since rafa left,
Are you going to march down the anny road again saying yanks out, this gets better and better, i have no doubt you lot will be back soon but while your in the shi@ enjoy it, makes you thankful for when your not, jft96
Steblue69
When you win something, anything.. That's the time ste and not before. 5 x big ears 18 leagues
You measure your success on Liverpool.
FowlerisGod
And i'm a Bayern fan tomorrow!!
Tomsy
What gives us the right?
18 league titles
5 cl
and the rest
Thats what gives us the right, we earnt the right.
Ben the red
We are nothing like you
I have no come back at this moment in time. Fair play, enjoy it.
God, that toffee inferiority complex again. Just get used to it.
18 May 2012 13:38:51
I honestly believe people are panicking,calm down and let the owners choose the man they see fit to take us forward.IMO when they get him he will be given a large transfer balance,and this is the beginning their plan for us to go foward..
we need to support our club and stop moaning..
@irishred1892
18 May 2012 13:38:49
Eds fellow reds , just read ayers interview on lffc website .thought he was a true red , load of bollucks al about himself states clearly cup final had no part to play on kenny he was dead man walking when we didn't get top 4. Hope that applies to all new managers we get . Cheers psv {Ed001's Note - don't get me started on Ayre, his interviews have been appalling, he really shouldn't be doing them.}
18 May 2012 13:37:19
The season ended five days ago. Apparently some people wanted everything done and dusted by now. An entire premier league restructured in less than a week. Or else its "FSG out!"
Irrespective of the Kenny departure, and when the decision was made, real life doesn't work that way. Many people simply could not be approached until the season ended. Why is that difficult to understand? Why not give the owners a chance before turning on them? I thought Liverpool fans were supposed to be knowledgeable and fair?
Oh, and I notice the posts have started insinuating anyone writing anything supportive is an agent from Boston. Get a grip.
So why've they rushed into approaching Martinez?
There's other candidates but i wouldn't of approached him and Rodgers first! They're the ones rushing about sacking everyone and not replacing them!
18 May 2012 13:36:59
eds do you think fsg will take the fans views into account when they appoint a new manager and how would they go about gauging fans opinions on possible managers cheers giblet {Ed001's Note - they do use people to monitor websites. I don't know if they would actually take any notice of people's views though.}
Hope their not viewing this site otherwise they will get rid of us as soon as possible
18 May 2012 13:29:07
hope the 12 people liverpool are talking to is 1 manager and 11players ahhaa
If I were at LFC, the only person I'd be talking to is Clare Rourke
Id do more than just talk to her..................................Id tell her a joke aswell
FowlerisGod
18 May 2012 13:28:53
My god 90% of you lot are are incredibly dim. We haven't really achieved anything in the last 20 years (league) but now I don't know why. Maybe it's because we got new owners or something you all demand instant success. Be patient and give them a chance. What manager is going to want to come to club with fans like you lot. Berating people before they even come to the club YNWA means feck all to you lot. How can some one not walk alone if you don't even give them a chance. And baybe just maybe we already have a top D O F in place and he his interviewing the managers he thinks he could have a successful partnership with. The truth is none of us know what is going on at the min and instead of being optimistic and having just a tiny bit of thaith your wishing the club to fail so you can say hey told you so. I'll leave with a question. If your kid is playing football and he/she makes a mistake do you say your crap get off the pitch and away from club or do you say it's ok keep trying and you will get it right, I'm here to support you, you can do it. Support. Look it up at bloody show some.
My name is Eric the red and I support LFC through thick and thin and I will not start judging any one untill this time next year.
Eric the red
So say we all!
Davey Liver
Well said Eric we need to listen to kenny and back whoever comes.
k-h
First of eric the red, stop using my sign off name
Secondly, i stopped reading when i got to, havent achieved anything in 20 years. I thought to myself, 2 cl finals with 1 win, couple uefa cups, few fa cups, and few league cups.
Ben the REAL red
Eric - thank you for standing up for basic LFC values. Couldn't agree more. I think a lot of the negativity is because we're all nervous about what's happening at our club. But some of the stuff directed at people who could be our next manager is frankly out of order. This is the club that's supposed to have the most knowledeable and fair-minded fans in the world. I have to say it's not apparent a lot of the time on this forum.
PieInTheSkyMan
We know it takes time but the last 18 months have just been sent up in flames .we are back where we were under Roy ,so in 12 months time we might just start pulling in the same direction again thanks yanks .cheers psv
Eric mate.Forget about fans which good manager will come when our own owners are not patients
18 May 2012 13:28:13
Hi all , Eds
I was wondering what happens now concerning players? Presumably any deals in the pipeline are put on hold , but does that mean scrapped completely or does the new manager / DOF see what was being done and take it from there? Can't see the likes of some of the players mentioned ( eg de Jong, muniain, belhanda ) waiting for us to sort it out if there is interest elsewhere!
Thanks {Ed001's Note - that is really up to the new man.}
18 May 2012 13:27:15
Please, please,
Brendan rodgers rejecting liverpool how bad is our reputation went sinse fsg took over not there fault but how noticable is it? We have a man that 2-3 years ago would dream of liverpool fc job now were a shambles and rodgers turns us down well be left with martineZ'16th. Poor standards were driftibg badly and i for one am worried dvery morning i get up now im dying fir glory days i would give my left arm
You also have to remember people will not speak to us when they know they do not stand a chance of getting the job..
He will not want to burn his bridges with the Swansea fans and board..
I personally would not read to much into that..
Cheers
Macca
That's just the press. I doubt he was seriously in the running, so it was a canny move on his part.
solidair
Well don't support liverpool then, would u want rodgers as manager, i would not. granted his team play good football. but he is a chelsea man.
Mate fsg have turn us laughing-stock the way they treated kenny after winning trophy and taking us to europa do you thinlk any mediocore manager will do better or take a risk to get fire in 2/3 months coz our squad is not top4 and they want top4 with less investment may be they have no clue sackig kenny how much has damaged our club and their reputation
Brendan Rodgers rejected Liverpool because he is not good enough for our team and he knows it. What has he won in all his career?
Sometimes its just pure politics as Macca mentioned above. "They will not speak to us when they know they do no stand chance of getting the job." So they get away by saying utter rubbish things about out club.
Live-On-Pool
Also, Brendan Rodgers is a kind of manager who aims to avoid relegation and be a mid table team. We need a kind of manager who aims to win the league and get us to the champions league.
Live-On-Pool
18 May 2012 13:25:32
I am truly astonished at what is going off at our club right now!!
It's a sad day when someone of the calibre of Brendan Rodgers turns down the opportunity to even speak to us because he clearly thinks he's on to a better thing at Swansea.
I remember the days when people would have sold their granny to get a job at Anfield.
The rest of the teams in the league must be laughing their socks off at the shambles that appears to be on going at this time.
I have never been in charge of a top level football club, and its fair to say I never will, but I think that I would have at least "tapped up" the manager I wanted and made sure he wanted the job before booting the current man into touch.
Does anybody disagree with the following criteria for a new manager:
A) Won at least a league or cup previously, in 1 of the top European leagues.
B) Champions League experience.
C) At a reasonable age where he can build over the next 10 years.
That to me is simple enough, but instead we seem to have gone public, chasing every Tom, Dick and Roberto!!
Any thoughts??
Thanks
GP29
There could be many reasons why brendan rodgers has turned down the interview. He was asked about the chelsea job before AVB took over and he said that he didn't want to take a job like that too soon and said he has to learn how to walk before he can run. So don't jump to conclusions, there maybe a host of reasons why he hasn't gone for it.
Or maybe he knows he isn't ready for a club like ours.
k-h
18 May 2012 13:24:22
All u people who say fsg are not good owners and Martinez not good enough to manage Liverpool don't have a clue. If he came in and got us back in top 4 all u people would say fsg are great owners and martinez is a great manage. Get behind are club. Use r not real fans. YNWA DW
Is that DW dave whelan? Are you looking for a nice few million for a CRAP manager Dave to open another dodgy footwear store?
Waro
And if he came in and did a carp job, then what Einstein.............
'And if he came in and did a carp job..then what Einstein'
Two things spring to mind:
(a) you forgot the question mark after Einstein and
(b) is Einstein available?
Puzzled
18 May 2012 13:23:42
As I stated yesterday upto a dozen managers will be offered the chance of an interview, I was derided. Some will turn us down ( Rodgers etc ) others will not be offered the job ( Martinez ) it is a procedure designed to get the best candidate whilst being totally thorough. Cheers Wacca.
18 May 2012 13:23:27
Listen guys we've been sh**e for years now and I don't mean average I mean sh**e. So following that I've said that I don't think what FSG is doing is such a drama after all. What they are doing is basically ripping every thing up and starting again, is that such a bad idea? Lets face it the 'Liverpool way' hasn't worked for such a long time now that I doubt a lot of people on here can remember when it did work, or weren't even born. Lets all calm down and try to remember that these guys aren't novices in what they are doing, OK they don't really know that much about football but that doesn't mean that they won't find out, they aren't stupid and it isn't rocket science is it? Lets see where we are in a couple of years time. I for one think that a new start is quite exciting and in fact needed, we've stagnated for too long now and maybe these guys see that and have the balls to do the right thing. It's a new start for all of us now so let's get our heads around it and give it a go, it might not work but trying something new is better than staying mid table. We've got to stop living in the past, rival fans have been saying that for years and I always thought they were talking nonsense until now, listening to some people on here you would think that they had killed one of your family members by sacking Kenny. Chill out everybody it might just work.
Well said. I wrote a post very similar in context but I scrapped it because it came across as too pessimistic and a bit sweary.
In practice though, "starting from scratch" can be very expensive. We could field an entire team of players we would like to get off the wage-bill !
ANFIELDPETE
18 May 2012 13:21:52
I think it would be prudent of the owners to consult a long standing member of the Liverpool Supporters club too. The owners have involved them in the past in making decisions about moving the club forward. I do wonder who they are consulting...?
Well, they are certainly in touch with Tompkins.
18 May 2012 13:20:04
I would go for Chris Hughton
He knows how to get the best from Mandy Carroll
{Ed001's Note - yes, by hoofing it up to him! Hughton plays long ball football, no thanks.}
Not good enough for Newcastle - but good enough for us .... Is that what you're saying?
solidair
18 May 2012 13:17:09
ed001 iv seen you advocating borrell good shout in my eyes do you think fsg will even look at him as a option or do you feel he may not be given a chance with him never managing at the highest level
giblet {Ed001's Note - I really don't know, but it would be an insult to him to not consider him while considering Martinez!}
He,s got to be worth a go if things had been slightly different it would have been him managing barcelona to glory for the last few years then every one would be screaming for him he plays the right way seems good tactically astute he knows the youth set up i defiantely think he is worth a go
giblet
18 May 2012 13:16:35
See Rodgers has turned down the chance to speak. I reckon we should keep an eye on him as a future manager as I think it is a mature decision by him. He obviously thinks it is too early for him and therefore will be on a hiding to nothing.
Think the same can be said for Martinez (but more premier league experience).
So if Rodgers can see that I think the owners will and like to see someone who can still manage for 4/5 years minimum but is used to managing at the top level.
Think Deschamps, Klopp and Benitez are right for now.
One has had a worse season than Kenny,one we have no chance with and Rafa bless his soul is a control freak. Next!
The Irish Rover
You'd think Benitez would be the first choice since he's available with no contractual obligations or payout involved; but some people are just blind to the fact that the owners don't want Rafa back! Singred
18 May 2012 13:14:46
We have become a laughing stock and I can't help thinking we'll be going through this all over again in in 12 months.
Time to stick a pair of underkecks on the head, pencils up the nose and sit cross legged on top of the tumble dryer rocking back and forth muttering 'Wibble'.....................
The Goatherder
JFT96
...The new Ken Dodd
Aaaah . the ol pretending to be mad trick eh ?
If you do that in the transfer window I'll have you shot.
Boom Boom Boom Boom
Mr Slonk The Red
YNWA
Goathearder -
We need a plan - A cunning and subtle plan
As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University........
IrishRedDog
Already doing it Goatie.......wibble!
ANFIELDPETE
18 May 2012 13:14:26
Good news!
TuttoJuve asked LFC international scout Steve HItchen about Suarez; told he's not for sale at any price.
18 May 2012 13:14:26
Maybe in the shake up we will end up with a female physio on the bench too??!! ; )
CaptainClacker
Yes I had noticed ... Eve, a former underwear model.
Good call mate, lets hope haha
RedSox69
18 May 2012 13:13:16
Afternoon eds . Flocking yanks ,why do we always get shafted .cheers psv
18 May 2012 13:11:31
Ed I would love your thoughts on the same..do you feel its turning into farce..brendon has rejected us..martinez according to media wants villa,capello wants chelsea,pep is on sabbatical,klopp is not free,jose won't come,rafa is not viable to work in this model..if we keep going like this either they will rehire kenny or ed001 will be announced as manager..
Red indian
Ps-i can't belive now even swansea manager rejected us..its a nightmaire. {Ed001's Note - it was a farce a long time ago mate.}
LOL, you have to laugh at this lad 'red indian' he was the one leading the charge for Kenny to go. Now he is calling it a nightmare that we are left in lingo? Lunacy.
Jatt YNWA
I think FSG could have got a new DOF before interviewing managers.
Red raj
Liverpool have to be seen to be trying to get the right man by interviewing loads of people. Rogers knew he would never get the job. Its a smokescreen and i guarantee we will get someone most of us are happy with.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
Shankly & Paisley must be spinning in their graves, at the thought of some of the managers we are approaching and worse still, they are turning us down!!
It should be straight forward:
A) The new bloke must have won a league or cup, in one of the top European leagues.
B) The new bloke must have Champions League Experience.
C) The new bloke must of a reasonable age to stay and build over a sustained period.
PS. I truly hope Swansea get the old "2nd season syndrome" next season and drop like a stone, due to the brass neck of Rodgers not wanting to manage our fine club. Yes that's petty but I don't care.
How would getting a DOF make a difference to who was available? It would only establish a order of preference of who is available. Add to the fact FSG have set a mantra of only English speaking managers, I fail to see what a DOF could do differently.
Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - because a DoF is supposed to set the long term future plans for the club. They are meant to provide stability so that losing a manager doesn't really matter.}
Yea your right jatt he was banging his drum loudest and longest about kenny going should be carefull waht you wish for
Spot on Jatt, the irony at the moment is incredible. Also the incredulous nature that Rodgers wouldnt be interested and how its being twisted is ridiculous. Clearly he feels he's too young, its a wise decision from an up and coming manager who feels he needs a few more years to find his feet. Its patehtic how the condescending crew can manipulate it and put across a five year olds argument. "we cant even get anyone from swansea" pathetic fifa generation, must have frogotten where shankley came from
Red Maverick
Rodgers said before the season ended that he would stay loyal to his project at Swansea.
He is excited at the prospects of growing the club - with a mass of Welsh followers filling the stadium, in the future who knows how many more fans they can attract?
I have great respect for him keeping his word. Fair play to the guy, he's turned down a lot of money on a principle.
The day after the season ended I heard he jetted out to watch a Spanish training camp to brush up on new methods, he's a hardworking, progressive coach who has done great work so far.
Keep an eye on him. He may go places with Swansea.
Good luck to him and good luck to them I say.
(Just not against us)
BJH YNWA
18 May 2012 13:02:17
what up with ppl trying to guess managers... im really getting fed up with the "watch my space" comment... anyway i believe AVB become a bad manager overnight, chelsea made him look bad because he wasn't given time... and i agree with barnes saying with the right backing of the owners, fans and players he can create something special with liverpool fc
If Kenny was not given time what hope has AVB
18 May 2012 12:59:56
Pep said he would take the Liverpool job even if he was looking for a job in the PL. He rejects the chance of ever managing Liverpool. And he has said he will not manage for a year
Pep wouldn't take the Liverpool job because he would actually have to work for a living if he did, we need a lot of work. People forget that it was Riikard that set everything up at Barca, Pep took it on because he was the golden boy and everyone loved him over there. Frank layed everything out and he took it on and only needed to tweak it here and there. I can almost guarantee that Pep won't anywhere that isn't already established as a top side otherwise he might get found out.
18 May 2012 12:59:17
posted a few yesterday, so heres a few more.
Christian Streich: 46 years old. current manager of SC Freiburg ( ex player ).
named manager of the year in Goal! German football mag. Branded as a football philosopher. took charge in Dec2011, 9 game unbeaten run sam Freiburg secure safety in Bundesliga.
overall win % = 41%
Fabio Capello: 65 years old. won at just about every club/position he has been at. Penned a then unheard style of play " The Zonal Marking System" in 1984. Currently with no-one.
overall win % = 57%
Frank De Boer: 42 Years old. Ajax through and through. developed as a youngster, managed Ajax youth. now has 2 championships under his belt with Ajax 1st team, in a year and half.
overall win % = 64%
Van Gaal: 60 years old. Famed for his annoyance and reaction to "stupid" questions from the media.currently not with a club. refers to style of play as a philosophy rather than a system of play. every club he has been at the system has been different.
overall win % = 58%
thanks for reading.
Piddy
18 May 2012 12:58:54
Actually I think an Ed had said it on this site about an hour before you!
18 May 2012 12:57:55
any chance of Van Marwijk? cheers eds
18 May 2012 12:57:06
Ed do you think the owners have gone to far in dishing out the p45's? I mean to take Liverpool forward on any momentum they gained over the last 18 months really they needed some consistency, I honestly thought that the team including manager would have stayed and the club moulded accordingly, but it all just now seems a big mess.
Cheers
Lfc matt {Ed023's Note - The owners will know what they do next is crucial. I thought sacking Kenny was harsh but was he untouchable after the league form? no. I just hope whoever comes in will get a fair chance to get Liverpool back on top.}
18 May 2012 13:07:39
Macca or Ed's
dont you think that some fans on here are just pure whingers on one hand they want a young manager then when one gets an interview they moan all day. come on lads get of Fifa12 and into the real world were things take time
LEP72
18 May 2012 13:03:57
What the hell is happening to our club?? This is getting beyond a joke. Martinez, Rodgers, Benitez back??? Absolute joke. We are being made a mockery of. Please Henry, pull your head out of your ass and either go get Mourinho, Klopp or Bielsa.
Coily
18 May 2012 12:57:04
I don't blame Brendan Rodgers to be honest. He's in contention with many other potential managers and probably fears a potential back-lash or uncertainty from the Swansea fans. I can't help but think that Ian Ayre needs to get a grip and start doing his job as the club are looking increasingly pathetic on this issue. I'll stick to what I said about Rafa returning yet I don't necessarily agree with it as I feel it is a step back. There was a post-match interview a few games back (I can't for the life of me remember the game) and Kenny appeared more up-beat and relaxed in comparison to the early interviews which suggested to me that he knew he was going. Just a hunch like.
DaveyBootle
I remember remarking on that post match interview too Davey. It was the first match after Comolli was sacked. We just thought it was because it was glad he was gone...but maybe you're right.
KJS
Was the first match after comolli was sacked the semi final against everton? If I recall someone on here mentioned a banner they saw "holy comolli, we have got no goalie!"...
Paul Mc
Strange, wasn't it? All the stress lines and frowns just went.
DaveyBootle
Good point Daveybootle.
Ozone
18 May 2012 12:54:35
Can we all stop being so negative. I dont speak for the owners but this process must run its course. If any of you hire people as I do then before you start you ensure the structure is right.
FSG will already have identified who they want to be CEO/Sporting Director and also Director of Football. We seem to be trying to recruit lots of Barca men to recreate La Masia but thats what everyone is trying to do - ManU have always had better youth set up and Man City and Chelsea have spent fortunes. Getting this part of the club right is a TOP priority. Therefore the new manager will need to buy into this. That involves buying into a football philosophy and being willing to blood youngsters.
The owners are going to want to the football decision makers (manager, DoF and CEO) to identify talent to be sold on for profits which can be reinvested in the squad. The clubs who have done this successfully in different ways are Ajax, Lyon and Porto. All remained successful over long periods whilst selling their best players as they had the next big thing lined up.
So the club will lay out their plan to those who are interested in being manager and the club will then listen to how these men propose to work within that framework.
This will take weeks (I wouldn't think 6 more like 3) and I remain convinced we will be welcoming one of these three men as our new manager/ coach.
Andre Villas-Boas
Didier Deschamsps
Roberto Martinez
Thats just based on the fact that these men a likely to be mo receptive to the direction we are heading and their own football philosophy.
We have finished 7th, 6th and 8th in the last three seasons with a top four wage and salary structure and the sale of a £50m player !! Let's say the unrest of the previous two seasons was a valid excuse. You can't use that last season when we did worse. It's no good winning a cup if you're job depends on top 4. If your manager sets an objective and you miss it by a mile and point to something good but not a priority what response would you expect ? The season just gone was a major chance for top4 as Arse started awfully, Chelsea struggled and Spurs fell away in Spring.
The Manchester clubs and Chelsea are so far ahead of us financially we have to go down a different route. That's why I expect us to cash in on Suarez to give new manager the chance to sign 3 or 4 strong players.
PieInTheSkyMan
18 May 2012 12:53:13
hi eds what do you know about jen chang? all i know is that he is a liverpool fan and supported suarez in the evra affair in one of the arcticles he wrote at the time calling for evra to be punished aswell as suarez for causing the situation {Ed001's Note - all I know is that he is a well respected sports journalist, amongst Liverpool fans anyway. Other than that, I know nothing about him, he worked for Sports Illustrated, which is just a glossy bit of fluff that I would never read. So I really don't know much about him.}
He is well respected in the football world in Asia the US and europe.
18 May 2012 12:52:40
So Cappello to chelski and unfortunately another team and manager thatll lie down for fergie next year with Olly Gunner Scratchcard goin to Villa..smf
18 May 2012 12:38:04
{Ed001's Note - I think they have made a massive mistake and shown they are not interested in winning trophies. Our squad is nowhere near a top 4 squad, it is going to take huge investment to reach that level. I really don't understand what they expect a manager to do, if they give the next man more time, then we have every right to ask why they think that Kenny didn't deserve it? I know the Suarez episode was the main factor, but they are accepting no responsibility for their role in all of that. They are supposed to be the ones who know how to use the media, so where the hell where they and why the hell weren't they taking over and sorting it out there and then? Why leave it until the end of the season to sort out that issue? Either do it there and then or accept it as part of a learning process. But this just smacks of petty revenge to me.}
That's exactly what irks me about all this. It has to be a high profile manager and also a pretty decent splash in the transfer market to justify the KK sacking. If they don't splash out on both fronts we won't get back to CL qualification and will not be able to attract the top players. The time is NOW FSG. Be smart as you may have blood on your hands if this backfires.
Chi-Paul
Hi
Brilliant response from Ed001 and so true.
YNWA - SA
Big name manager, fortunes on players. This is the way to the madhouse and the poorhouse. So many people on here have praised Newcastle and some have even talked up Pardew. NUFC show that if you get your finances in shape, cut the crap from your squad and put your faith in people who do their job properly you can be successful and put your club on a more sound footing. Ashley acts as a businessman, Carr identifies talent and Pardew coaches and motivates. I despair of some people on here...stop wishing for things that would endanger our club. Stop wanting mountains of cash to be spent. Start supporting the club and our owners who can only possibly make money on their investment if they make us successful on AND off the pitch.
PieInTheSkyMan
In response to giving kenny time, can one reason be that kenny forced FSG's hand in sacking him?
I mean, he called the emergency meeting, and several rumours said that Henry and co werent too sure with kenny and asked for time in deciding. However, kenny said either Stick with me or Fire me?
Now you cant blame FSG if things went down like that. They had every right to look into what Kenny had suggested in the review and calmly sit together in a meeting to decide.
I love Kenny but his comments about the owners havig more integrity than believing a newspaper pushed it too. He had to appear to be more witty in interviews with the media, at times when a genuine question was asked..
So really, FSG in my opinion had every right o let him go and even give more time to a manager of THEIR choice.
RedSox69
18 May 2012 12:36:53
There seems to be a hell of a lot of support for the owners on here. More so in disagrees against posts criticising them than actual comments for them.
Now i'm not ready to start the "get out of our club" chants (yet) but I am worried about a number of issues and am staying very much on the sceptical side for now.
Is it likely that FSG have their own team scouring these sort of forums and trying to buck the trend of dissatisfaction against them and sway peoples views?
I wonder (if the Ed's had time) how easy it would be to see how many IP adressess for the pro FSG comments are coming from the US and Boston area in particular. Then again it's more than possible that could have already thought of it and have people in this country doing it for them.
Just being paranoid due to our situation?
Simsimo
I'm in Connecticut, somewhere near the border between Yankees territory and Red Sox territory. I don't consider myself to be pro FSG per se, but I have responded to comments which seemed to portray the owners, and John Henry in particular, as Mr. Burns from the Simpsons. Truth is, he only LOOKS like Mr. Burns. If it turns out that there are more "pro-owner" comments from the Boston area, that may be because Red Sox fans have lived with these guys for 10 years or so. The owners have a track record here, which is available to you all through what a past president of the United Sates unfortunately called "the google." Dig a little deeper, and don't worry that you're stuck with Gillette and Hicks again, because you're not.
JB
18 May 2012 12:47:30
Hi Eds Quick question, from a level minded lfc fan, if we appoint the ex barcelona guy as the dof and david dein as MD do you really think they would want to appoint Martinez as manager? i know that its FSGS decision in the end but would two powerhouses of football allow such an inexperienced manager whos only ever stopped wigan getting relegated through his own crap management be in charge of one of the biggest teams in world football? AJH316 {Ed001's Note - I think FSG are very much driven by the media, Martinez is very media friendly, that is the only reason he is so highly rated. So yes, I can see them appointing him, unfortunately.}
18 May 2012 12:44:48
We have not got a number one target for manager we will interview a few just like a normal job.
fair play to them just going out asking clubs to speak with ther managers shows balls and class.
18 May 2012 12:43:42
This is for Mr. NOKNEEJERKING.
I have never called for Kenny's head. Search my name in the search function and read my previous posts. And get your head out of your ass.
Musicnation
Surely he would have to remove his head from his ass first, otherwise how would he see your previous posts?
18 May 2012 12:42:11
I am worried more for Martinez than Liverpool! He is a genuine nice guy and done a fantastic job at Wigan! I love the way he plays his style of football and don't doubt he could do a job for Liverpool. My worry is that come Jan if we are off the pace for 4th spot he will be fired as he is a low key manager! i dont believe Pep would be treated the same way. In my mind Kenny would still be my choice to take the club forward and feel he lost his job because of his media antics as well as his luck!!
The only 'fantastic' job he has done at Wigan is to stop them being relegated twice !
He is not Liverpool class
Tel 1949
18 May 2012 12:41:27
To gage FSG intentions answer this question would the list of 12 Potential new Mangers be that for Man Utd.
If the answer is no what's does that say?
Who thinks Utd would interview Martinez or Rogers for the job?
The fact these guys are considered to have a chance, shows a lack of knowledge from above but with all due respect no name has been mentioned from FSG and untill they say something i would say it is merely speculation.
OK - who do you think will be the next Man Utd manager then ? I bet we could come up with at LEAST a dozen names and you are basing your question on heresay. I would expect LFC to formally interview no more than 3/4 candidates. So it isn't like there'll be a dozen nervous managers all sitting in a corridor all waiting for their 45 minute interview at Melwood or in downtown Boston.
And at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious LFC isn't MUFC. If the answer to every question is what would MUFC do then we're in trouble. In the late 70s and 80s they spent years going for big names/flavour of month managers and spending lots of money and failing (what you'd like us to keep doing) before realising that a hungry young(ish) manager from Aberdeen was the man to take them forward. For god's sake keep the faith.
PiInTheSkyMan
I don't want either of them but the last 3 years, 6th has been our best finish so where in a completely different situation to them.
Perhaps they wouldnt but as much as i do hate them, they probably have been the strongest english team in the last 2 decades. Theyve managed to not only match our league triumphs but surpass them. Theyve featured in the Champions League in the last 3 years. Theyve had the same manager for many years and would be 10 times harder to replace than Kenny (2nd coming)
So please, stop making uneducated comments.
When we realise that only us fans deeply believe were still amongst the best in the world, we need to rebuild heavily and top managers who have done that for other teams may be reluctant to try here and they are i a better position already..:/
Whats happened has happened, just get behind the team, new managers, owners, the lot. Maybe then, we can once again strike fear in any opposition that comes our way!
RedSox69
18 May 2012 12:40:20
Ed001 seems to really have got annoyed in the last 24 hours....understandably I must add. Was just wondering ed is this because of the martinez approach and do you blame the owners or think it is the advisors they have?
Thanks {Ed001's Note - partly the approach to Martinez, which seems to be because he is a media darling, rather than any obvious talent at building and managing a team. I blame the owners, they clearly are getting poor advice, they are not acting decisively enough. We know that the Suarez situation is the main reason behind Dalglish's sacking, so why the hell did they dither about it so long? And, more importantly, what kind of imbecile knows that they are going to sack someone months beforehand yet doesn't have a top class replacement lined up waiting to slot in immediately? Why has it taken so long to replace the DoF? Where is a proper CEO? Why is Ayre still in a job? Why is Ayre giving imbecilic interviews to Sly that make the whole club look a joke? This is a shambles and they need to learn from this or we will never get anywhere.}
My feelings exactly Ed001.... don't worry though we will be able to watch this all on TV courtesy of Fox...
Richards {Ed001's Note - that is what worries me!}
Spot on ED001.... as usual
Tel 1949
The main reason for Dalglish being sacked is that we were appalling in the league ed1, simple as that.
Gazman {Ed001's Note - no, he was gone because of the handling of the Suarez affair, the league position is a convenient excuse.}
18 May 2012 12:38:02
hey just wondering why all the big news at the moment is about approaching managers?
not on info but just from observing i thought fsg would have liked to get the dof sorted before the manager, do you know who is looking likely for this role?
also who scouted all the players for newcastle? i can't remember his name for the life of me, because i really think we should be trying to get someone like him on board our scouting system if possible.
ShaneK Lfc
18 May 2012 12:31:44
Afternoon eds
could one of you please explain what make Martinez a contender for the Liverpool job without being very disrespectful what has he achieved at Wigan & Swansea that makes him a better choice then say rafa or Klopp or even Villas boas he's not a big name nor do i think he could attract the big names maybe the other 3 i mentioned could it baffles me how we could go from Rafa to Woy to Kenny(wasn't his biggest fan but the man was a legend) to Martinez if he get the job surly its a massive step back we need the best Europe have to offer and we're considering Martinez all where going to attract is more poulsons surly their has got to be a smoke screen the man has NO European credentials or no experience working with big named players sorry to ramble on guys
thanx for keeping updated with all the lastest on our club
Ramythered07 {Ed023's Note - There's apparently 12 manager's in the running for the job, let's wait and see what happens before judging and Liverpool approaching Wigan for their manager is no smoke screen}
I think we have approached other managers but Dave Whelan has loose lips and loves a chat on SSN !!
Guinnessred8
18 May 2012 12:30:16
In which parallel universe is martinez better than kenny? I cant think of a single reason to replace the king with mr 16th. These owners are having a nightmare. Surely they had a replacement in place before this week or has the fsg policy always been to make it up as we go along sign average players for a fortune and cash in on anyone with a glimmer of talent? I FEAR THE WORST
Neil, dismayed from Leigh
18 May 2012 12:29:36
I mentioned his name the other day as a bit of a joke but do you think Oscar Tabarez could be on the list?
18 May 2012 12:28:18
I am so optimistic about our future. While Chelsea is linked with Mourinho Guardiola and now it seems Capello is also keen for Chelsea job we have Martinez and Brendon Rogers. And moreover the owners expect top for finish with their stupidity. what the f*** is wrong with the Americans. I can't believe this is happening. I have been posting only since last couple of years but today i have blown my top. How can we go from king kenny to rogers and martinez. I am sorry for my language eds but if you see something you love taken apart this way you will also get so angry.
angry liverool supporter
Musicnation
Why did you all jump on the FSG bandwagon so quickly? Why cause they bought the club did you think their motives alligned with the fans?
Squad stagnating
Management structures in limbo
Stadium in limbo
And our strategy to get back to the top?
Buy cheap and get the team managed by a novice.
YANKS OUT!
Well Said mate and even Rogers has turned us down!! Fanbloodytastic!!
Tomsy
Why look at other managers,why not try gerrard as a player/manager for a season then see what happens after that.
Firstly...Have you got the list of Managers the owners are considering??, NO
Have the owners been in touch with you regarding selecting a new Manager...NO
Do you have a crystal ball and can see the Managers the owners are looking at ..NO
No one knows who is on the list apart from the Wigan Manager and the Swansea Manager Rogers who turned us down because the job would be to soon for him just yet.
So why spout foul language about something that no one knows anything about apart from a select few??.
Relax the owners have said they are looking at a LIST of potential Managers not just a couple.
Bobby.
18 May 2012 12:25:40
First 4, next 8 now 12.
oh its sly sports, so it must be true ;0)
wait.... 4 + 8 = 12, damn should have been a journo!
Piddy.
18 May 2012 12:25:36
ED,bliesa is just in my eyes messi' only I n coach form,and I feel that he will go somewhere like manu' in the next few years if we dont TRY to poach him and I feel with him at athleico bilbia this could be our only chance to get him, ED,I heard that we are not considering him because he cannot speak English,which I think is a huge error of judgement. Mate tell me henry etc will reconsider him,? Martinez is another roy' {Ed001's Note - I don't believe he will be considered, though it breaks my heart to say it as I don't think there is a better coach in the world.}
Wow.....that is some praise. How come he hasn't been offered a job at a top club before?
GuvTOB {Ed019's Note - The man is a genius}
18 May 2012 12:21:03
Not a current Rumour. But what about Ole Gunnar Solksjaer.
Managed Molder to their first ever league title in his first season and one of the strongest favourites to replace SAF at Man UTD.
Are you having a laugh mate any other ex manu players you would like in charge bryan robson or steve bruce maybe roy keane seriously mate i hope you was joking
18 May 2012 12:20:32
Hi Ed's
Do u think any of the top barca players may leave this year? Cuz of there coach leaving?
Messi
Iniesta
Pedro
Sanchez
Villa
Pique
Alves
? {Ed001's Note - no.}
18 May 2012 12:19:58
Let's face facts, FSG by their own admission have no knowledge of football and no experience.
They thought they could go around trigger-happy, sack everyone and dangle a few hefty carrots in front of the best in the world to get their man.
Now they have quickly realised that no-one at top level football is short of money and will not jump into bed with a bunch of muppets who have ripped the infrastructure and soul out of a club.
Who would take the job? From Day 1 you are being compared with a lifelong LFC legend who got sacked after 1 season. The previous "outsider" manager lasted less than 6 months. A cup win and Europa league is not enough. You have to get LFC into the top 4 or you are GONE. That's a top 4 currently occupied by 2 Manchester clubs (not going anywhere), Arsenal (top 4 for last 15 seasons) and Spurs (top 4 twice in last 3 seasons). Trying to get into top 4 are Cash rich Chelsea, and Newcastle.
Now you, as a manager have to come into a team, hit the ground running, turn them into a top 4 team after most of your players have been at the euros and not had a full pre-season.
You have no DoF, no CEO, no sports science, no communications director and no board presence in the country.
Whoever takes the job is a mug or desperate
Wouldn't like to be in the trenches with you. "we're all doomed!"
Or......
excited to be joining a fresh liverpool.
history is who we are, future is who we want to be!
Piddy
Sounds like a great challenge.
How about coming from the second division to join a club in crisis, and a few years later smashing the Bayern Munich stranglehold and dominating Gernan football? Does that sound plausible? Well it just happened.
If you are going to give up before the season has started, why bother following the team?
18 May 2012 12:11:20
It looks like this summer is going to be a new dawn for Liverpool FC , not just 12 months over due but 20 years over due .
Whoever gets the job , I think we have good reason to be excited about the club .
LEXICON
We needed a top to bottom clear-out at the club.
The season was a fiasco. The Carling Cup did not change that.
Too many people already throwing in the towel. I guess that says more about them than anything else.
18 May 2012 11:56:52
My tuppence worth - I have a feeling we'll be getting a foreign manager who has little command of English. My reasoning - the Owners have kept Clarke/other coaching Staff knowing they need the English input!
Step forward Senor Marcelo Alberto Bielsa Caldera the new Manager of LFC!!
sp
If theyre after somene with little command of the english language....they should be looking at some of the posters on here...smf
I for one seriously hope you're right!!
Didn't they just sack a manager with little command of the English language?
18 May 2012 12:07:59
how about a Lady manager?
My choice would be Holly Willoughby
She has been excellent on the Voice and I think should would adapt well to the demands of the premiership
Yes and she always has 2 big uns up front.................
cue Benny Hill music...smf
Would she she bring her heavily supported top 2 tho? ;0)
Piddy
Wins the most silly post of the day competition
Torres could be a good lady manager in the future
redkenyan
18 May 2012 12:06:57
I don't think Pep Guardiola is a likely candidate
But I would say he is more likely to consider Liverpool than Chelsea. He has been a fan of the club for a long time and particularly admires the way the academy is set up. He has told several players who have asked them for advice that if you can't play at Barca, the next best place is Liverpool.
This is by no means saying he is going to come
AZ {Ed001's Note - my issue would be what do you tell Rodolfo Borrell if you appoint Pep over him, when we got him because Barca did that? Personally, if we can't/won't get Bielsa, then Borrell has to be the man to choose, in my opinion.}
At the very least he deserves to be assistant manager to whoever we appoint... at least some continuity
Richards
18 May 2012 12:06:41
{Ed001's Note - I think they have made a massive mistake and shown they are not interested in winning trophies. Our squad is nowhere near a top 4 squad, it is going to take huge investment to reach that level. I really don't understand what they expect a manager to do, if they give the next man more time, then we have every right to ask why they think that Kenny didn't deserve it? I know the Suarez episode was the main factor, but they are accepting no responsibility for their role in all of that. They are supposed to be the ones who know how to use the media, so where the hell where they and why the hell weren't they taking over and sorting it out there and then? Why leave it until the end of the season to sort out that issue? Either do it there and then or accept it as part of a learning process. But this just smacks of petty revenge to me.}
Excellent reply Ed001.
Look guys we all understand football and the way the media control things and this reply is the reality.
The squad is not quite good enough to compete for the top 4 or challenge for the title. Winning a trophy, getting to another final and qualifying for europe was a great stepping stone for our progression considering we were nearly out of business a year or so ago. We had injuries to Lucas, Adam, Gerrard, Agger. Suarez (evra media circus man utd instigated) incident and ban and Reina's lack of form. Yet still had some success.
So indeed the depth of squad was a factor. I can honestly say no other team would have achieved this if you take them things into consideration.
Look at city who spent absolute millions. It has taken them 3 years or so under Mancini to win the league and only just. But they stuck together and believed, so they deserve their rewards.
It's not a given. It takes lots of money and time and in the grand scheme of things Kenny was operating on a budget. Just because the press kept on about 100 million this or that. Its not that total at all when you think of player sales. Then there's the wages we can't afford at this stage and should never in fact be paying £200+ thousand a week in wages. It rips the soul out of football and stops us the real fans being able to go to the match.
Just my thoughts but again well done Ed001 keep telling it how it is because the people on here will start to listen as they respect you already.
Alfie {Ed001's Note - thank you Alfie.}
HI
I just love it when people talk sense. Ed001 and Alfie
Pity though because i thought that FSG were shrewd and canny and knew what they were doing. But i guess not.
Come on Ed001, now go and get your coaching badges. You got 16 months before LFC seeks there next manager.
YNWA - SA {Ed001's Note - and 32 before the one after.....}
18 May 2012 12:06:14
I love the way the haters have jumped upon the story of Brendan Rogers declining an interview as a slight against Liverpool.
There could be a million reasons why he doesn't want to be considered. God forbid he may actually be enjoying managing Swansea and developing their team.
Good for him. Straight and Upfront, thanks but no thanks. And we move onto different candidates. FSG are obviously interviewing a range of managers to ensure they select the right man, to hear how each of their ideas stand up against the others. Like any employer would interview prospective employees. Surely this is common sense?
I like Martinez as a man, he always speaks well. I had never before considered him to be Liverpool Manager stock, but If he's the chosen one, only time will tell if he's the right man or not, I certainly won't be up in arms, moaning my little bitch tits off about his appointment.
Whether it be players, managers, facilities, too many 'fans' on here are too concerned about what we haven't got, (why are UTD/City after Hazzard, etc) when we need to concentrate on where we are right now.
FSG will implement a strategy on the stadium.
FSG will try to strengthen the squad
FSG will try to put the right upper tier management structure in place
FSG will try to hire the right manager
Season and a half ago we were on an unstoppable helter skelter ride. Things will continue to get better on and off the pitch.
Kez
Spot on post.
PieInTheSkyMan
18 May 2012 12:06:00
I was going to say that there is a grave danger that FSG will lose the support of the fans. It seems that point has almost been reached. Judging by some of the comments here.
The unavailable/don't want the job list is growing longer.
Possible availables:-
Rafa
Capello
AVB
Martinez
Laudrup?
Bielsa
de Boer
Van Gaal
If the list shortens too quickly. There could be a panic on !
Why would they lose fans. it dosnt matter what state our clubs in, you should support your team through thick and thin no matter what. if not your not a real fan
I reckon that list is very close to the truth right now
Guinnessred8
18 May 2012 12:03:58
Morning boys!, Just seen the news that Brendan Rodgers has turned down the chance to speak to us, well hes already stated he dosnt feel ready to make that step up just yet so fair enough to the man, also it seems were speaking to a up to 12 managers from all backgrounds so anything could happen as of yet, Personally this dosnt surprise me at all, I think the owners are going to look far further afield than just Martinez but Sky etc were given the news by the big mouth of the Wigan Chairman, for me i cant see him getting the job either especially after what Whelan said about our club having no heart, i know that dosnt have bearing on Martinez himself but surely the new owners wont appreciate Whelans big mouth not 40 minutes after Robertos had the phone call!.........
I think we all know the list to a degree......If theres 12 If!.......id be surprised if we didnt at least sound out like them or not..........
Cappello
Mourhino
Guardiola
Rafa
Martinez
Lambert
Rangnick
Klopp
Deschamps
Van Gaal
AVB
Pardew
Theres a few i wouldnt want like Pardew but there a few id like too, I rather like Rangnick and Klopp and think thats what we need someone completely new with fresh ideas and fresh squad plans that involve weeding out the rubbish we have on the books still,
Exciting times boys but i cant say im not worried!
Chin up fellas!.........Oh and just for the record to any number of fans of other clubs stating we wont get him, him, and him.......we are NOT a mid table club because of one poor league finish, We are still one the worlds top ten clubs........Im sure theyre all worried we might get someone like Guardiola as opposed to genuinely thinking we wont........We'll be back.........
YNWA JFT96 The Guv 81-9
18 May 2012 12:03:21
1.Gardiola ( May not join as he is in rest)
2. Klopp ( may not join too he is close friend of drotmund owner )
3. Van Gaal he may like to join as recently show intarest in liverpool director)
4. Unai Emre he will say yes as Just leave valencia.
5. Rafa he is ready to take the flight .
R-R
18 May 2012 12:02:55
Hi People and Ed's
A very possible scenario would be Martinez for 12 months and if he feics it up they could sack him as his contract would not be so huge...with a view in mind of Pep coming in 12 months
18 May 2012 12:01:32
Substantial fanbase divisions became pretty obvious some time ago, but have become more apparent over the Kenny issue. Statistics are pointless and adjustable to suit any agenda, but for the purpose of this post are neccessary so forgive me. Based on this site, the Echo and many other forums Reds frequent, assuming Kenny's departure has p'd off 40% of the fanbase, and another 40% want Rafa to return and look like being disappointed, what are we realistically going to be left with in terms of a united fanbase? That right there is 80% of the support left unhappy with what FSG have given them and at war with each other regarding what should or should not have been done. The remaining 20% of Skybabies and no-clues who want a "young", "fresh" manager with "new ideas" (whatever the heck that means) - as far as I'm aware football is still about scoring more goals than the team you play against and there is a finite number of ways to do that? I am personally in the Rafa camp and always have been, I feel the same sense of outrage over his departure as the Kenny crew do - and I understand their point because my support spans both Kenny's playing and managing days. But, leaving sides and my own agenda apart, surely it would have been better based simply on logic to re-appoint Rafa and unite at least a substantial portion of the fan base - with the prospect of converting others - than have a 3-way split that won't heal for years with pretty much most fans not being happy? I mean - Martinez?......Really? Cheers and thanks for your good work on our behalf.
18 May 2012 12:01:19
Solskjaer for L.F.C.?
He has more ambition.
18 May 2012 12:00:13
Ayre interview suggests we may not have a d of f, but several different people for more individual roles
CHickey.
18 May 2012 11:55:50
Liverpool will be forced to go for Martinez
18 May 2012 11:55:43
Hello all fellow reds.
Here we are again - another close season which is full of uncertainty and already causing anxiety among the supporters, and feeding opposing fans with laughing/mocking fodder.
One thing which is worrying to me is the fact FSG say they have a shortlist of potential managers, but I have seen at least a dozen names. This is a big shortlist, and certainly most of them are more like managers with potential, which I am not sure is what we need right now.
If you are a top manager, which is what Ian Ayre says we can still attract, what is the attraction of coming to Liverpool apart from the great history, which does not bring current success.
I guess if you are a half decent manager with multi millions / billions to spend it is certainly easier to achieve success, although by no means guaranteed.
So I would say the attraction of coming to our great club is to prove how good you are, by bringing new success over a prolonged period, and have us playing the best football in the league. This is what any new manager should be able to bring to the table.
Now, who is out there who can do that ?
Certainly not most of the names on our so called short list.
We do have to believe that FSG are in it to win it for the long term.
KBL
18 May 2012 11:55:22
This is not a rumour, just a wish really i guess. Why don't we do everything in our power to get Frank Rijkaard in? He built the majority of that Barca team and gets little or no credit for it. He's also a legend in the football world and a recognised name that players will want to come and play for. No offence Martinez Rodgers etc. but if you call a player in Spain they're gonna like "who"? We need a name that can attract players especially since we don't have CL to offer. Rijkaard is the obvious choice for me, really hope Mr. Henry and his advisers think the same. What are your views ED? {Ed023's Note - I'd have him too mate}
Barca already have a great foundation. thats why i feel pep and rijkaard won't guarantee success at liverpool
18 May 2012 11:54:14
Any ED's I just want your opinion, who do YOU think is most likely to be the next manager of the club? cheers mate {Ed023's Note - I would like Rijkaard but don't know who will be our next manager}
18 May 2012 11:52:05
Hi Eds Great site
Pls post as havent had any posted so far
In your opinion do u feel us speaking to Martinez first is an indication he is favoured ? or is it simply he was availble to speak to b4 others ?,
Suppose I'm hoping for confirmation that we will be speaking to others also as Ayre said this would be a thorough process,
Thanks - pls post or the next post will be bout Ken Aguero
18 May 2012 11:50:37
Press say 12 on list.Fun working out who they are before we even get to personnel preferences
18 May 2012 11:50:22
Hi eds. I know the hot topic is who's going to be the new manager at anfield and I suppose Martinez is a good manager but surely we dhould be aiming to bring in a manager of top quality, someone who has that presence and charisma that attracts top quality players. I can't help but hope rafa makes a return. Possibility? Jbeale {Ed001's Note - I sincerely hope not.}
18 May 2012 11:50:19
Hey eds do you know if we have contacted Luis Enrique over the managers position.
Recently left Roma and is very much a coach(which is what FSG seem to want) and he also plays football the right way being part of the Barca set-up previously.
A more realistic version of Guardiola perhaps? {Ed001's Note - not a clue, sorry.}
18 May 2012 11:49:09
newcastle Are Ready To Make a Move For Mathieu Valbuena.
The 27-year-old Marseille midfielder has been linked with a string of clubs, with Liverpool thought to be long-term admirers of the player.
His admission of a desire to play in the Premier League has sparked rumours that the newcastle club will be first to make a move..
18 May 2012 11:43:31
Do you think that maybe the owners didn't accept Steve Clarkes resignation on the off chance that they couldn't get any of there managerial targets, thus him stepping into the role?
Just a thought, maybe not the greatest but certainly a possibility?
Tristan
18 May 2012 11:42:45
if martinez came to liverpool he'd bring half of wigan's team with him and i don't see why that would be a bad thing, look what they did to united, us and arsenal. their best players combined with our best would be a force
Pls go and have a sleep dude...martinez..wigan best players...thats the reason they sit at 17th?..ridiculous..bring rafa back,..atleast lets show the world we have amanger who actually had won things..and who has a respect in europe...we need cl next seaosn....its as simple..martinez will have to have a rebirth to get that
Look at what they did in 1st half of season too! Shocking
Coily
18 May 2012 11:39:16
Hi ed 1, just want to point out that yes Deschamps rejected us before, but under very different curcumstances. {Ed001's Note - I know, but I see no reason why he would want the job right now. The club is a shambles, being run by people that have shown they are out of their depth and being badly advised.}
Nice to see you back Ed001, couldn't agree more with some of your posts about Martinez for me the owners are aiming worryingly low in terms of manager candidates but then setting the bar too high in regards to next season, this current squad is not good enough for top 4 but that seems to be the only thing they want. The next manager might as well get knocked out of the cups in the first round because its very clear FSG want to turn Liverpool a club founded on winning trophies into what Arsenal are now.
always a red
Ed, I get the feeling you are not impressed by recent events? To be fair, Martinez has done nothing to earn this position.
Ash {Ed001's Note - I am really annoyed with the way FSG have done this, they are making it even more difficult for the next man with their actions.}
Ed 001 tell why you think this? coz that is a big statement and one i dont agree with. {Ed001's Note - how can you not? Have you seen our current leadership structure? There is no one there but Ayre!}
18 May 2012 11:35:31
I think Liverpool needs a British manager. Liverpools best years have come from when we had a British backdrop, where the coaches and managers had actually seen Liverpool before becoming part of the team. The problem with this though I know is that the only British managers available are sh*te. So I guess I am wondering why we got rid of the best one we could of had who loved the club more than his left testacle.
GOD
18 May 2012 11:33:06
Interesting debate on Martinez.. as many have mentioned the pressure will be on him immediately and, if results do not go his way, there will be fans ready to lynch him.
However, I think Martinez has a lot going for him:
- He is young, tactically astute manager.
- He is a good man manager
- He Plays attractive football
- He has a good eye for talent
- He has worked miracles at Wigan were they have had basically no money or investment for years
- He is a strong character on and off the pitch and, I think, be capable of leading Liverpool in the right direction
- On top of this he wouldn't cost a fortune i.e. AVB, Klopp, etc etc
..ultimately he should be judged on his managerial performance and he has done well, in my opinion, at Wigan. Getting a top manager from another club doesn't guarantee success just as getting a manager from a lesser club doesn't guarantee failure. If he is good enough then he is good enough, regardless of the levels he has managed at previously. I hope the owners take there time and and appointment someone who is the best option in football terms for the club. There are likely many candidates vying for the manager position so hopefully, after careful scrutiny, we do get the right man for the job. If Martinez gets the job he will get my full support.
SMc {Ed001's Note - how does he have a good eye for talent when he had 3 years to buy players to suit his system and ended up having to change his system as he couldn't buy the right players to suit his system? He clearly does not have a good eye for players at all. He wants to play passing football, yet he buys players that play with their heads down, that is the worst thing a player can do in a passing system. His Wigan team consisted of players bought before him, and headless chickens who ran into blind alleys that he brought in.}
Shows he is able to adapt. he is a good manager if he comes to us or not he is a good manager...
That is a harsh and ridiculous statement you have made editor. In the 3 seasons he has been in charge there has been a net spend (roughly) of -9,000,000! i.e. the club has received 9,000,000 quid more than they have spent. To say he has had 3 years to buy the players to suit his system makes it out like he has had a veritable banquet of talent to choose from.
The reality is he has had to live on a shoestring and try to find the players who will do the job of keeping Wigan promoted whilst continually selling off there best assets (i.e. cattermole, valencia, n'zogbia). Add to that the fact that Wigan are probably the least glamorous club out there which makes attracting any decent player hard then I think I can say with absolute conviction that he has been a success at Wigan and done well with the players he has signed and the squad he has.
You are clearly not in favour of Martinez editor and that is fair enough but to pour so much scorn, unjustifiably i might add, onto him seems completely unbalanced. If this is the reception he or any other manager is going to have upon joining liverpool then god help them (unless of course we do sign Klopp, Guardiola... LOL)
SMc
18 May 2012 11:29:59
if you think about Ian Ayres comments the other day regarding the process of finding a new manager, he said it was important not to start proceedings of hiring a new manager as the decision over Kenny had not been made until the meeting in america, yet the rumours of AVB being approached and sounded out were heard last week before Dalglish's meeting, as was the rumours of Martinez, therefore im finding it very hard to completely trust Ian Ayre at the minute
Ian ayre has also said the new manager needs to be successful quickly.
The probelms with that:
He's inherited a realtive poor squad bereft of cover in many positions.
Liverpool won't have a huge budget this summer to procure additions & replacements
The clubs above Liverpool with the exception of maybe only Everton will spend as much if not much more than Liverpool
The structure of the club seems to be in disarray and if this is true a manager will little experience wil soon find himself out of his depth and running for cover when the heats turns up which it undoubtedly will.
FSG do you know what you are doing?
The decision to sack Kenny looks worse by the hour
Sommerset
Sommerset - the decision to sack Kenny looks worse by the hour -
why have we 'got a relatively poor squad'?
and
'won't have huge budget this summer' could that be because of the amount wasted last time around?
Puzzled
18 May 2012 11:29:50
Come on yanks aim a bit higher than Martinez and rogers and lambert for crying out loud. You will get us relagated at this rate!! Chuffed rogers has turned them down. As far as am conserened he should never been on short list.
18 May 2012 11:29:46
ED READERS!
Google Jen Chang and read an article he wrote 2yrs ago called BENITEZ NEEDS RETHINK. He cites one Roberto Martinez as an up and comming manager who LFC should gamble on.
I want FSG OUT!
Considering he has been hired as the director for communications I'm pretty sure they won't be listening to his opinion on hiring a manager at all
18 May 2012 11:27:54
Whoever comes in will be on borrowed time from Day 1.
FSG have set the benchmark. The new man has to do better than uefa cup qualification and a trophy.
If it's Martinez, he will fail to beat that and will be gone in 12 months or less.
We will be a poor man's Chavski, sacking managers on a whim with interfering owners who know jack-all bout football.
Absolutely, its a poisoned chalice now. Get it right tho............
FowlerisGod
18 May 2012 11:26:38
This is great, speculation,we don't want him, we want him etc, 8-12 on a list etc no one knows anything lol.
If Martinez gets the role why not bring in on a rolling contract a experienced big team asst (someone not employed)to guide Martinez for a season or two, so he can find his feet. As the jump from Wigan to Liverpool could be too much pressure?
I think we will get a young foreign manager, one that's not been mentioned as yet? Only my opinion.
Lee73
Eds what do you think? {Ed001's Note - Martinez has shown nothing to deserve a chance, just look elsewhere, he can't coach and he can't pick the right players to play his style.}
Erm isn't Martinez a young foreign manager? And AVB? You are weird
Gazman
I meant outside the prem. :)
18 May 2012 11:25:30
Roberto Martinez
Andre-Villas Boas
Jurgen Klopp
Christian Streich
Frank de Boer
Fabio Capello
Didier Deschamps
Someone of those, will be LFC'S next manager!
18 May 2012 11:21:09
Rogers will have turned us down , knowing that its a to higher profile job for him just yet.
Players these days play for 3 things.
1: money
2: champions league football
3: the manager
So as you can see if we where to get martinez it wouldn't really leave us in s good spot.
LAVERS
18 May 2012 11:07:10
we all have a idea how things should be done.
we drew at least 4 home matches that we should have won easy,we lost 2 because we had nothing to play for.
you van not blame the king for missing chances.
i spoke to a frend this morning and made me think.ther was no competition in the squad.suarez knew he would play,carroll needed time and got better and better.
downing same story every week he runs and stops.
our midfleld was to young when we lost lucas.
what i want to say ios if there was more compitition we would have hit the woodwork less.
Kenny knew we were not strong enough in depht but he always defended every single player.and what did we do we turned our back on him too soon.
boas is like a school teacher on his knees.
martinez makes sure he knows were the camara is so he can waving his arms.
We should have given dalglish 4 signings and he would have turned it around.
it would not surprise me that we will be in the same situation next year.
these americans are having job interviews with at least 4/5 candidates.
these people have lost there mind you dont have 5?6 candidates and interview them,you look what they have done before and make your choice.
they should have 2 candidates.
give carragher the job.
18 May 2012 11:02:19
martinez is another name for houdini. year after year he is involved with escaping relegation. poor candidate. we need someone with a proven track record.klopp is my preferance. pls brendon rogers and martinez stay where you belong.
18 May 2012 11:01:28
For me I wish we could and would make a statement of intent and go after the likes of guardiola mourinho or klopp money talks and everyone has a price instead of chasing Martinez or so on, we need a top manager who the players will respect and players around the world want to play for not someone who after one season loses the dressing room, then we are back to square one,the amount the club are spending paying managers off and there coaches we could be paying a quality manager, we have to get this right get a proven manager who can handle big names and pressure.
Cheers
Des
18 May 2012 11:00:31
Alam pardew as the next liverpool manager wat d u think eds {Ed001's Note - don't waste my time with stupid statements and lies please.}
Touchy Ed.. Jesus. I've seen a lot worse here in the last 2 days
Gazman {Ed023's Note - There's more to Pardew than what you see but, we'll discuss that another day}
Is he one of the shape shifting lizards from outer space that David Icke warned us about?
18 May 2012 11:18:18
My source tells me that nobody knows who will be our next manager hence the interviewing process.
If they knew they wouldn't waste everyones time.
You heard it here first, remember my name.
It'd help if you posted it
Jman
Lol so whats yer name then
Lmao,the most sensible today
Whats your name?
CLASSIC!!
You'll have to give your name for us to remember it!!
Also Hardly Mystic Meg!!
Oh! Their having interviews so they don't know who they want as Manager
SPOOKY!
Lyndon
I too have a source who doesn't know what is happening and he says he doesn't know what is happening. I can't remember my name either but you heard it here first. FACT!
Remember this name! Although he never left a name so there I shall name him, much like I would a lost puppy! His name... Is.... Trevor!
Fear him, believe him and most of all remember him! Hail Trevor!
-EK
18 May 2012 11:17:51
We are interviewing 12 managers? Surely the process cannot be that wide open that potentially 12 different approaches could work? I thought we had a plan in place? Rodgers wouldn't even hear the offer? Not a good sign for us. He probably would have increased his salary 10 fold and still didn't want interview. Perhaps he can see how this is about to unfold, with new manager every year.
For me, has to be AVB. Has to.
Coop
Or perhaps he feels he isnt ready in his career to take over a massive club like Liverpool.
TIZER RED
Not all about the money
He either
1)Doesn't want to ruin his reputation after a bad season with us e.g. when every talks about hodgson having the perfect CV if we was rubbed off
2)Incredibly loyal to Swansea
3) Thinks he can take Swansea further than he could take us
4)Knows he is not ready and is being respectful towards our fans
5) Knows the fans want a big name is being very respectful towards our opinion
ITs too soon in Rogers Career to take the LFC job he's only 39 I think, to be sacked next summer for not being in the top 4 with little money to spend on the squad would be the end of his career.
Is the way FSG are handling the new Mangers position going to make the job a poison Chalice, I have to say as a LFC supporter I would not take this job and ruin my career if I was an aspiring manager no matter my support for LFC I would not let it bring me to the abyss.
Maybe others managers have the same opinion Rogers obviosuly has.
The Ponderer
18 May 2012 11:15:28
I can see Martinez becoming the new woy.
Or any new manager that doesn't hit the ground running, gets 4th and betters kennys cup runs.
What we need is a ton of luck/magic/money next season to progress.
MIKEY
Its very simple we need Money and buckets of it
Buy the EPL just like City its the only way any other way isj ust a fanciful dream
The LFC physic
Martinez does appear more intelligent..which always helps, and he goes for attractive football.
Its got to the point I feel as long as the fans understand what the new manager is trying to do and we are playing attractive football then we can't complain.. Kenny this season confused me, we were better the season before doing the 433 rather than trying out the old fashioned 442 this season..
18 May 2012 11:14:35
There's a couple of posters below having a pop about supporters wanting things done overnight. And it's a fair point in a way.
But isn't what FSG are doing right now the equivalent ?
It seems like they're on a mad rush to put a structure and football strategy in place in the space of a few weeks. And then leave time to get some players in and out before the qualifying of the Europa starts !
***** sake.
Talk about revising the night before your exams.
The Real KB
If they were doing things overnight they would have started when they took over! Noel
Better late than never hey?
18 May 2012 11:14:07
Surely this isn't true and Martinez won't get the job. I think it would be a huge mistake and he will end up getting the sack within 6-12 months, and we will be back to square 1. He hasn't won anything been battling relagation with Wigan. No way this is a nightmare!! Kenny has far more experience than him. Sorry he mite be a nice bloke but managing Liverpool we need someone who has experience maybe pep or cappelo.
Fabio Capello
Got how much 40M from the England job and did fairly badly during his time I could have done just as well and I have only managed a junior sunday morning team
Liverpool could not afford him and count ourselves lucky on that
18 May 2012 11:12:19
for everyone who points out that we only finished 8th and we spent all of that money (under40m net). rome was not built in a day. if a new manager comes in will it still be basically the same team with a couple of additions?. would kenny have done better in his 2nd season? we will never know but sometimes its better the devil you know.
robbie
What exactly is ur point mate...its been years..and still u say rome wasnt built in a day??..tell me whats the difference between the liverpool side wen rafa left and now??...u see any differnece...football is money..owners cannot spend 100 mill every season...u have to utilise the things..look arsenal..what they spent? and look wer are they now?...hitting the woodword is not an excuse....we had a chance to be in top 4..and we sit..at 8th position..the worst in history...actually kk should have resigned himself..cant beg for another season and 100mill more....nonsense {Ed001's Note - Arsenal have had years and massive amounts of money to spend over those years, to get where they are. Only an idiot could suggest 16 months of Dalglish's management should be compared to Wenger's years and years at Arsenal! Do you not remember the big sums spent on the likes of Wiltord, Pires, Overmars etc?}
18 May 2012 11:10:49
As supporters we should be thankful to the owners for getting us out the mess we were in, Liverpool are virtually starting all over again gone are the days of dominance, except that we are a top 8 team now it may hurt but it's true it's along process back we have to come to terms with this now and back owners new manager so what if it's Martinez who did guardiola manage before barca? Just the b team even shanks at Huddersfield on finished 9th 12th and 14th with them as fans were so negative fsg are planning long term strategies it's not going happen over night realise this
If the fans can recognize its not going to happen overnight can the owners they are expecting it to happen immediately
Otherwise the manger will be out next season.
Kenny had a plan a mid term one look what happened him?
FSG clarly dont' understand fotnball they may have saved LFC but they may also be on the path to nowhere
18 May 2012 11:10:13
Hey you lot ...time out honest...:)
I have been reading some of the stuff on here... and what springs to mind is...
Mayan calenders ...'' the end is nigh'' ''we are all doomed... doomed I say''
Well from an outsiders point of view ( ok a p1$$ taking toffee lol...)
Things look better than they did after the Swansea match...
For instance look at this way ...FSG will do somersaults... backflips and cartwheels to make sure that their investment is secure...
So all this nonsense about them ruining LFC is not only premature ...it's downright hogwash on the back of sacking a retro minded coach...
It's the sort of garbage you need to avoid...
if you really want to attract a top Manager...
Just sayin like
Blue247
Although we beat you lot 3 times last season, knocked you out of the FA cup, and are in Europe again. Have you been to the Goodison trophy room yet to look at the laminated league table placed in there by Moyes.
A pity it takes an interloper like this to talk sense
Puzzled
I'm glad someone's talking sense.....
... yet you support Everton?
You must have p!ed off the gods in a former life to come back to a life-time of suffering and pain!
Fair dos.
Mrpjd
It speaks volumes that a blue nose makes more sense than most of you chumps calling FSG out. *facepalm
D.Liver
Mrpjd...Lol Good banter mate :)
Blue247
18 May 2012 11:09:45
Well you will have seen how all the papers have treated Rodgers rebuff to an invite for talks....this can get very embarrassing.
IF we wanted a large 'catchment' of possibles surely the best way was to officially advertise the job - then the lesser lights, if I may call them that, can be interviewed IF they apply. That way there is no way we are going to get headlines like today.
In addition to the ad we can approach directly 'major' figures we are interested in. IF they turn us down AND make it public at least it will not have the same effect
Puzzled
The club denied the talks, we would have to approach them and ask first.
Obviously they want to keep him and build on this season.
not really sure how football management goes in terms of advertising the job, but i think we would not need to advertise as such, the culture and pull of LFC would do that alone.
FSG have a list of ideals they see to take the club the way it to go, inc DOF,CEO.
i would expect a CEO announcment first ( hopefully )
Ian Ayre`s interview states DOF will now consist of many different roles under the same heading, to help take pressure of the 1st team manager.
i dont think there will be a rush to appoint 1st team manager, more concentrate on the background first, as this will hugely affect who takes the post.
If Ian Ayre`s comments do come good, then possibly leaning more toward a less experienced manager, with a good pool of talent behind him to assist.
but then a new CEO could change all this !....
who knows, all we can do is sit by, keep the ED`s sweet and support whoever joins the club in whatever position.
FSG wont want to ball`s this up they are a globally recognised sports management company.
Piddy.
18 May 2012 10:59:15
liverpool to speak to as many as 12 candidates ,were not gonna av a manager for about another 6 weeks i reckon,you would av thought fsg would have lined up the new manager a few months before the season finished if they were thinking of sacking dalglish,what a joke!!!!
18 May 2012 10:55:52
Just been talking to an ex St Johnston player and he said our new manager will be Alex Ferguson on a twenty eight year deal worth £450bn. He intends to use the money to build a time machine and travel back through time collecting players. Top of his list are Eusebio, Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Beckenbaur, Platini, Zidane, Puskas and Di Stefano. He said he is also going to take a cheeky punt and travel back to the birth of Messi to try to sign him. Don't know how much is true as I only get to talk to him whilst dispensing his medicine (or sometimes to help get his restraints on). Now that we know this can people stop posting made up nonsense.
Thanks
Heinz Doofenshmirtz
p.s. Have Macca or the eds heard anything about this?
The voices told me that too, fair play, i thought they only spoke to me
G.Baker
This has to be post of the day. It had me crying with laughter.
18 May 2012 10:52:18
Hi eds, Sky Sources say that we're looking at speaking to 12 candidates was wondering if this is your beliefs to, and just wondering if they speak to that many surely Rafa will be at least spoken to. Great site thankyou for the constant updates {Ed002's Note - I understand that he may well be considered.}
18 May 2012 10:51:45
Y have the last 6 tings i av posted not been posted i might as well spell my words ow i want coz ma post neva gets posted anyway wots goin on edds. STEMLOCC1
Maybe if you learnt to spell it could help! Noel
Prob coz u cant spell laaaa
G.Baker {Ed001's Note - I would have deleted that post myself. Stop whining Stem and stop using text speak or I will just delete your posts as I can't be bothered to decipher your nonsense.}
18 May 2012 10:50:27
I know its Sky Sports but they are reporting we are looking to interview up to 12 candidates for the managers role! So we just need to be patient and wait for this process to be concluded, I am sure FSG will make the right decision and although sad to see Kenny go, it does show signs of intent that our owners want success and 8th was not acceptable!
JFT96
CoolhandLFC
18 May 2012 10:49:37
I really can't understand why the media and posters on this sight are even mentioning Pep Guardiola?
He's just left the greatest football team anyone has ever seen because he desperately needed a break!!
Because we are Liverpool son. We are Liverpool
Gazman
Why not mention him he should be first choice although it is very unlikely that he will take it do soon
People change their minds. Shankly did as did Kenny. Both might have stayed given a few weeks. He might be tempted especially with the Barca connection in the youth system and DOF?
Would be my choice if it could happen.
Iggypop
I wouldnt be suprice football crazy these days. he could like the challenge. we just dont no wats happing do we
Pep, If he comes to LFC he will have a break a breakdown when he sees Downing and Enrique trying to play football
18 May 2012 10:48:40
Bit baffled...Kenny was sacked for poor performance in the league. So surely we should be looking at managers whose teams have performed consistently in a top four (or at least top six) position in their respective leagues? After all, isn't the ambition...or at least stage one of the plan...to regain a top four place?
If this is so, then why are we considering Martinez etc.?
One of our main problems is consistency. That applies to the manager as well as the players.
Difference is last year he managed wigan?
Martinez don't have gerrard pepe skartel in the team and use £110m in a year.
18 May 2012 10:48:40
Macca & Eds ...
With Arsenal, Chelsea and Man city rumoured to be having major funds for transfers and Man U and spurs having large squads, the top 4 spot isnt gaurunteed next season.
Does this mean that our next manager should only get a one year contract incase he fails?
consider the componsation he would get after signing a 3 year contract but doesnt deliver in his first year.
I can only use Dalglish as an example.. i mean its top 4 or chop.
what are your thoughts?
for me its slightly worrying times unless a world class manager is appointed and a heavy investment made.
FSG have now showed there intent and the minimum requirments of a manager.
For me they cant show double standards if we dont make the top 4 next season.
SJ {Ed001's Note - I think they have made a massive mistake and shown they are not interested in winning trophies. Our squad is nowhere near a top 4 squad, it is going to take huge investment to reach that level. I really don't understand what they expect a manager to do, if they give the next man more time, then we have every right to ask why they think that Kenny didn't deserve it? I know the Suarez episode was the main factor, but they are accepting no responsibility for their role in all of that. They are supposed to be the ones who know how to use the media, so where the hell where they and why the hell weren't they taking over and sorting it out there and then? Why leave it until the end of the season to sort out that issue? Either do it there and then or accept it as part of a learning process. But this just smacks of petty revenge to me.}
Spot on SJ and Ed001.
For all those old enough to remember, the Premier League should start handing out Blankety Blank cheque books and pens as "trophies" for 2nd, 3rd and 4th places.
Cos the Carling and FA Cups don't mean jack anymore. Or Europa.
The Real KB
EDOO1 .. sorry mate your on the wrong tangent here! Dalglish WAS given a huge amount of money (GROSS -after sales was well over 100million pounds) to spend how HE WANTED TO in order to IMPROVE the team from the 6th finish last year..
What did he do ? Spent it on whom ?
results were? An 8th finish - below Everton who spent what again??
NOT ACCEPTABLE!
Forget the Carling Cup -what a joke!
Any team can "fluke" a cup win - ala Birmingham - that proves nothing!
The League position PROVES EVERYTHING...
That is what he should be judged on and no matter what all these dreamers are going on about like " ooohh if KD was given 1 more year he could have.. "
Really?
Well HE PROVED WHAT HE COULD DO WITH A HUGE AMOUNT OF CASH ...
That is al that matters!
Team selections diabolical, team tactics non existant, susbtitutions/changes during a game to adapt to the opposition - NIL ....
Post match interview... .. well,,, say no more !!
PLEASE WAKE UP .. and stop this rubbish about poor KD.. he got what he deserved ..and he was lucky he didnt go much much earlier i think! {Ed001's Note - you need to wake up, you haven't a clue about football. Go back to FM12 with the other clueless wannabes who think it can all change over night. I am sick of clueless little gormless children like you, with no idea about running a football club or how long it takes to turn things round. The only thing Liverpool needs to do is get rid of 'fans' like you. You should be ashamed of your own stupidity, because I am embarrassed for you.}
Ed 01, do you have the same level of confidence in FSG now as when they first arrived? {Ed001's Note - no.}
Ed,
If the appointment is disappointing then I am sure they will end up with eggss on their faces.....
So much for PR they should have hired for themselves rather than the club......
Kop will reply with empty terraces and they will bite the bullets.....
Its gone sour.....
LiverBird {Ed023's Note - Any appointment might not work out, it's up to all involved that doesn't happen and whoever is appointed should be appreciated as he wants the same as the fans; success!}
I totally agree with the Editor. The club is now in a colossal mess, for which FSG are definitely culpable. The demands on any new manager to achieve unrealistic success within the space of one season will be immense. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that the process of finding a new manager takes time, as does implementing new approaches to training, and so on. It is unlikely, therefore, that the season will start well, making a top four position even more unlikely. As the editor suggests, the new manager would then find his job under threat. The whole process has been horribly misconceived, and does not even appear to have been carried out with a clear strategy in mind. It all seems ad-hoc and chaotic.
Red Owl
Agree with the Red Owl and Ed001... this hurts, all of this in the media domain too, eventually on TV couldn't be more different to the Liverpool Football Club I was brought up on. It doesn't appear we are being run by anybody at the moment... Just Ayre! This farce could set us back years... as for having 8-10 on a short list? This should all be planned, after all you have invested close to £400m, surely you want that "investment" or "franchise" (I can't abide those terms...) to grow?
(Annoyed) Richards
18 May 2012 10:47:18
Deduction, not fantasy. Ian Ayre has recently said something along the lines of 'we need a manager who will show the rest of europe we mean business', that means you can rule out Martinez, Rodgers, Lambert etc We're going after someone well known with a good record;
Benitez
Rijkaard
Deschamps
Klopp
For me they are the 4 outsranding candidates, although i'd love to see Rafa back I think they'll want a fresh start, someone they can call their own man. My money is (literally) on Deschamps although i'd be happy with any of them
WirralMick
If Martinez wasn't a serious candidate they wouldn't be interviewing him!
18 May 2012 10:47:14
SSN say Brendan Rogers has turned down the chance to speak to LFC about the managers job. I'm happy at that as i don't think he or RM are the right men for the huge task of managing this club
SSN also report that LFC are going to talk to at least 12 other candidates, and hopefuly that will mean some top managers at top European clubs
I still think they should go all out to get JM, if anyone can get this club back in the big time, like him or hate him, it's him
RedDaz
18 May 2012 10:43:17
A manger who most of us don't even want (Brendan Rogers) turns down the chance to even talk to Liverpool!! I don't know whether to laugh or cry??
I don't thinks its laughable
Both. Laugh with happiness and cry with joy.
18 May 2012 10:42:07
ed who is girard and is martinez in pole position now?
wafa {Ed001's Note - Girard is a French philosopher and author, oh and historian, why? No, not yet anyway.}
Montpelier manager !
collins
18 May 2012 10:41:40
Brendan Rodgers, a name who shouldn't be on the shortlist has supposedly rejected the opportunity. 12 names supposedly on short list/ to be interviewed
I would feel a lot more confident about our managerial search if we has a CEO and a Director of Football in place. May be we have, I don't know. Ian Ayre has said FSG are taking on advice from a lot of experienced football people, and I hope that is the case other wise we may have another Roy Hodgson in the offing (good manager, wrong time)
RedSG
18 May 2012 10:40:46
Please post.
Are they having a laugh. Brendan Rodgers? Roberto mar . 12 candidates. I hope their the bottom of the list and were working up the list. We are LFC, 5 time Euro champs Record beating standard setting club. Do not take a gamble with our club. We deserve the best. Proven. League and cup winning manager. That what KK was. Don't take a step back now after the progress that's been made already. We as fans need to make it known what we want and expect from our owners. Rafa is the man. He still lives in Liverpool. That tells you what he thinks of the city and people of Liverpool. He also said it would be a dream to come back. He cares. When he got sacked he gave money to a LFC charity. We finished 2nd in the leagues and 2 Euro cup finals. He also built our best team. Reina Johnson alonso
18 May 2012 10:40:31
Lads I can't believe your complaining about who the manager could be. I appreciate that as a first reaction to hearing the name Martinez an eyebrow will raise but some fans saying they will force FSG out is a bit silly.
I don't want Raffa back for the simple reason, we need to stop dweling in the past. Liverpool football club needs to start a fresh. We need a young manager with fresh ideas and not go back to the past like we did with Kenny.
If rumours are to be true and
Txiki Begiristane is to become the new DOF, this could work very well. In our favour. Imagine if he was responsible for bringing in players and Martinez has us playing good, attacking, fast flowing football.
You need to wait and see who comes in. People disrespecting Martinez like that have no right. He has done a good job at Wigan and there's nothing to suggest he can't come to Liverpool and get us winning.
People saying he finished 15th in the league, get real. Where did you expect him to finish, top4. People need to remember what players he has.
If he does arrive I hope he brings figaroa (spelling) we need strengthening in that position and he would be a good cheap option.
People wanting pep, Ok he has done well at Barca, but could he manage someone like Liverpool?
Maybe he could, maybe he doesn't want too. He has very little first team management experience and doesn't know the Premier league. I'm not saying he would be a failure or success or even if he's being considered.
We need to get behind the new manager and give him a chance. What chance has he got if you lot doubt him already. I think FSG will not want to make a rush decision and will bring the best man available for the job to fit into their plans.
FSG are known to want young players who haven't established themselves yet, maybe it's the same for the manager, who knows.
What ever happens the club will always have my support.
YNWA
TIZER RED
At last we have someone talking sense. Most people on here have written us off already.
FSG aren't stupid enough to risk there investment of several hundred million to pick some random names out of a hat.
Whoever the manager is, they need ALL OUR SUPPORT.
Please just wait and see what happens before thinking we are nothing more than a mid table team.
Tristan
At last some sense. I have been an advocate of Martinez fora long time and have posted on here in praise of him on a number of occasions. People keep referring to his league position without realising that keeping wigan up for 4 staright seasons ( or is it more?) is like Liverpool doing the double for the past four season, i.e. nearly impossible.
I for one pray we get Martinez and look forward to a far higher win percentage next season.
Andy H {Ed001's Note - rubbish, they were mid table and well clear of relegation, he dragged them into the dogfight. He is the reason they are struggling.}
ED001, The fans should not call him a failure before he's even got the job. I'm not saying he will fail or succeed, just that if he's appointed he needs a fair chance (one full season in my opinion, after this with kenny)
I have always backed kenny and feel It was the wrong decision made by FSG to sack him and the way they did it was disrespectful.
Martinez hasn't even got the job yet and already fans are calling for his head. How does anybody seriously know if he would be crap for Liverpool or not?
I would rather give him a chance then have Rafa back.
I will be over the moon if FSG pull off a world class manager but will support who ever it is. If it is Martinez, I will support him as any other Liverpool manager.
I feel that if Kenny had been given another season we would have achieved top4. I also feel that it's possible for the next manager to achieve that with only a few extra additions, if we have some good fortune.
If we sell Suarez, which I think we will then we need to invest in a clinical finisher and really get behind the team.
Who ever it is, let's just hope they do a good job.
TIZER RED
18 May 2012 10:35:53
Ian ayres recent comments have just gone to prove how unimportant winning trophys is in today's game.
He said that winning the fa cup wouldn't have mattered as it doesn't produce the resources required.
That's a sad state of affairs. This game should be all about trophys. If money is the be all and end all for todays owners Perhaps it's time the fa made the prizes better, more money for winning the fa cup or a CL spot instead of the 4th place, you are, for all intents and purposes, a champion of that competition after all.
As tweeted by terry McDermott, as a kid you dream about scoring the winner in a cup final, not scoring a goal to clinch 4th spot. And you can't hold a cheque above your head at wembley or parade it round the ground. Didn't someone once say 1st is 1st, second is nothing.
I think kenny was of that way of thinking when he said he wouldn't have swapped the carling cup win for anything, cause the game is about trophys, it shouldn't be about money. Unfortunately it's a fact of life that is has now become about money and business. So it's down to the fa to do something to make winning a trophy mean what it should mean to all concerned.
As for the new manager, I think now that they've decided to sack kenny so soon, they have to think big. It has to be somebody who is going to have us challenging the top 2, not just pushing for top 4, kenny would have brought that. I really hope that's not all that they're aiming for.
Klopp, guardiola or mourinho should be the top targets and they should break the bank to get one of them. I'd back anyone who gets the job but I think they'd be settling for chasing to be the best of the rest with any of the other candidates, and there'd be no guarantee they'd even get that. Any of the other candidates would be a gamble and we'd have to get behind them. let's hope whoever they take a punt on pays off. (but not Rafa please)
Aintree red
A good point. I totally agree. Trophies should matter far more than coming fourth. What are playing for otherwise?
Red Owl
Mourihno is a sure bet to bring us success if we can get him. Just look at his record. But sadly I do not think he is interested to come here as the owners are nowhere near the likes of the top three in the league. Let's face it- money bring success these days. Of course having said that we still need a manager who can bring out the best from his players. Compared to all the managers after Joe Fagan, Rafa brought us to the champions league final twice! Bring him back and give him the financial backing.
But wouldn't it be a great challenge for Jose. If he went to united and won the league it would be a "so what" it's expected anyway. A no win sutuation. At Liverpool he'd have legend status
18 May 2012 10:35:44
Liverpool to interview at least EIGHT managers, according to the independant
HullRED
Do you think it will be like X-factor where the audience can vote? After all it is being recorded... maybe we will have the grand-finale on the opening day of the season... perfect for the Media running the club. I think it must be Simon Cowell's new show... "Manager Idol"
(sarcastic) Richards
18 May 2012 10:33:44
hi eds
when lfc stated they want the best to replace kk.surely we should be after pep or jose and be prepared to pay big bucks to get 1 of them.no disrepect but is martinez the best we can get(i don't think so).jose says he's the special one well what better way to prove it by bringing the glory days back to anfield instead of him hand picking his jobs where he has millions to spend. {Ed001's Note - neither of them are the best, Jose is just the best cheat and Pep acknowledges that Bielsa is the best coach in the world.}
Sorry ed but Jose is the best. Nobody has a record like him. He controversial and his football not the most pleasant on the eye but the end result is always there. He also has the pulling power to attract the best players when we can't offer champions league because players believe in him and his ways and they know he will bring success. {Ed001's Note - yes, the best cheat.}
18 May 2012 10:33:22
FSG apparenetly willing to interview 12 people according to SSN.
Can't fault the effort they are putting in to find the right manager to take us forward.
GawaRed
18 May 2012 10:32:02
people need to get of martinez back if we hire him or anyone else without a load of experience as our owners will hire who seems to be the best manager to take us forward and people need to realize we all love kk but he was not experienced the first time round and done extremely well same goes for fergie at utd he hardly had any experience and was actually looking likely to be sacked in the first 5years or so look where he is now best manager in the world if you cant back whoever FSG decide then go support city or chelsea
So you'll support FSG no matter what. Surely we have to question them now?
18 May 2012 10:30:48
Why are people saying this manager is not up to standard, another doesn't have the experience, etc.
All the managers being considered by FSG will be credible candidates who deserve to be on the shortlist.
Bill Shankly wasn't exactly setting the world on fire at Huddersfield when he moved to Liverpool in 1959. In fact he'd had 10 years of fairly moderate success in the lower divisions, without acheiving a promotion or any honours. At the time many sceptics said that was not the right choice, but they were wrong. This time, it will be the same.
We all have our own preferences, so we won't all agree on the final choice. We just have to get behind the person who is eventually chosen, and give them our full support as Kenny has requested.
Northern Git
Good post, finally somebody talking sense.
Everyone has to start somewhere, Fergie at Aberdeen, Moyes at Preston.
18 May 2012 10:30:43
Sky sports saying we are looking at 12+ managers, 2 we 100% know about. I think this confirms we were definetly intending on keeping Dalglish until for watever reason something changed. Otherwise they would have already had a backup plan or a short list as to who they 100% want.
18 May 2012 10:24:48
so people are moaning about liverpool going for martinez yet brendan rogers dont even wanna talk 2 us so again people get of martinez back even thou he is not guareenteed to be named manager as we are interviewing upto 12 candidates
18 May 2012 10:24:47
Like they say be careful what you wish for.
So called fans like Indian buzzer calling for kennys head then moaning we are being linked with Martinez.
"fans" like you have to share some of the blame for flooding sites like this with your poison.
MIKEY
Well said MIKEY.
AG
To be fair kenny got sacked because he bought rubbish players got rubbish results and had a 5 year olds tactics.
You can add moaners like Ash and RedTurk to that list. These people are probably delighted, because now they will have players and new manager to moan about ad infinitum.
Red Owl
Red Owl, I'm surprised you're still here after you pretty much renounced your support yesterday!
Ash
18 May 2012 09:42:17
Alright eds, do you reckon that Martinez will bring Jesus seba and Isidro Diaz with him. Get the 3 amigos back together!
FowlerisGod {Ed001's Note - oh god, I was wondering if someone would mention them! I just hope we get a better manager than Martinez, otherwise we need to put in place a backroom team to do all the work for him.}
18 May 2012 10:16:09
Just a quick note to all the owner bashers, come the beginning of the season your all going to be parsing the owners, there no tea cakes, their losing money at rapid rate and will be pulling out all stops to rectify this ASAP, the problem with you lot is you want it done over night.
Jaydee ynwa
Overnight! That's too long for some of these idiots
Lyndon
NO! The problem is the owners wanted it done overnight which is why they sacked the legend that is King Kenny.
These lads admitted they knew nothing about football when they took over. 20 months later they sack King Kenny before they've considered who is going to replace him. Sounds like typical trigger happy Yanks who act before they think. We'll end up with Martinez and 40k fans will be shouting for Dalglish come the first game at Anfield. What a mess.
We fans should wait and see what direction the owners take if they take martinez or any mediocore manager(cheap) they will be exposed(ambition) and we fans will know the truth coz still stadium issue is not solved
I think it's the lack of continuity and pre-planning that has got everyone edgy Jaydee mate. If Kenny was given the job as an interim stand-in, you would expect the owners to have used that time to have the top jobs filled.
As it is, we're lacking all or nearly all top managment. There's no overall football philosophy evident (how can there be, there's no DoF), any player targets we had may have now changed and anyway no senior figure to sign them, and zilcho news on the stadium thing.
That is not good planning mate, by any stretch of the imagination.
And it goes against all we've ever known at Liverpool.
The Real KB
18 May 2012 10:13:32
Its bad when a manager as poor as rodgers turns down Liverpool. He never should have been given the chance to even be considered for lfc he is in no way good enough.swansea is about as good as he could hope for.
Rogers is one of the best managers of the future so your wrong he will manage a big team but its more out of loyality to swansea and wanting to see his project through that he has turnt us down. fans like you are bad for our club you want success over night and who ever comes in no matter how successful they are you will not be happy if they dont win a big cup in their first season
How is it bad? He realised that taking on Liverpool was too early or too much for him, if he's the low quality manager you believe him to be then that's good for us surely.
Please remember that just because the owners approached his club to speak with him, it does not automatically mean they would offer him the job. They want to enagage with as many potential candidates as they can before making any decision, that is completely correct and sensible and I'm surpised that many on this site cannot see that.
He turned down an interview because he knew deep down he would probably not get it. I am sure he enjoyed making it public that he was asked in the first place.
He was asked by Cammy on Goals on Sunday this season just after AVB's dismissal would he move to Chelsea if they came calling or another big club.
His answer was "No not for a few years, I have made mistakes by moving to a club, and it not actually working out. I am happy at Swansea, I have a fantatsic relationship with the owners/board and will continue to do so with them for the next few years if I can. I would eventually love to take a top job because I am very hungry to win things as a manager but I don't wish to run before I can walk"
He seems to no that he himself just isn't ready for such a job! Fair play to him if you ask me!!
Jon LFC
18 May 2012 10:13:21
I suggested on here weeks ago martinez as manager and i still would like to see it happen, the only two possible candidates that would be ahead of him right now would be Bielsa or klopp but cant see them happening but they could also possibly bring a couple of players with them....
Ed's i think FSG are being realistic in there targets, people keep saying we need a natural, experienced leader that knows what it like to win titles. we finished 8th last year so i think man u,man c etc can rest easy for at least a season or two. and its too big a project for the worlds top managers.
I think we need a young hungry manager, ready to start to build a club with the guidance of an experienced DOF with a good background in spotting potential in players early.
Martinez's players all play with confidence and cost next to nothing, they will be sold on at a good profit and they all undertand how to play good football.
FSG want to run a succesful club and make money, I think martinez could be the man to get our new players who lack confidence from last year playing again..
My question would be...Is there any reason besides dortmund being champions you think Klopp would not be interested?
dave
Klopp is a man of his word and will NEVER walk away from a contract. He was approached by big bundesliga clubs whilst manager of a German 2nd div team and knocked them back until his contract expired. He recently signed a new contract. He has publically stated he will not walk away from it unless he is sacked. That's not going to happen
18 May 2012 10:13:06
Ian Ayre says Werner and Henry are being advised by very experienced football people, who are these people who have come up with a shortlist that contains Guardiola, Klopp, Martinez and Brendan Rogers on the same sheet of paper? two of them names would make sense to approach as a Liverpool boss two would not make my shortlist as a last resort, these so called experienced people giving advice are obviously stupid or have been given a brief by FSG to find a manager who wont cost much and not need to spend anything on the team. i genuinely believe that if FSG do not make a statement of intent with the next appointment our team will be stuck in mid table for the next five years at least.
very worrying at the minute.
cobra
Brian Barwick and David Dein.
18 May 2012 10:06:50
I would feel a whole lot better about our search for a manager if we had a DoF in place..,I know it has been hinted that Txiki Begiristain will join us, but if that is the case , why has the info not been released...
Paul mc
18 May 2012 10:06:34
Just heard from my next door neighbour that Capello has flown in for an interview , cant see anything on SSN or BBC sports news , Any ideas eds/ Macca
Guinnessred8
Interview with Chelsea I'm afraid.
Please no.
k-h
Guiness, you're mistaken- my next door neighbour knows people in Holland and apparently there's an easyjet en-route with Cruyff and de Boer on board. Kuyt will get on at Speke and head home.
Remember, heard it here first!
(eds- you really need a "smilie" or emoticon facility on here- I just can't do ironic or sarcastic without smilies!)
Mrpjd
18 May 2012 10:03:43
Brendon rogers just turned down the chance to be interviewed by liverpool. source sky sports news. remove him from the list boys and girls
fowlersleftboot
18 May 2012 10:02:45
Looks like avb or martinez
18 May 2012 10:02:03
i believe ian ayres comments regarding the new manager must show progression is pointing towards an inexperienced manager i.e rodgers or martinez i hope im wrong but if not the 2 mentioned will have failed before they start just as roy hodgson did which is why we havnt won the league for such along time
Redman
18 May 2012 09:54:58
Rogers rejects chance to speak to Liverpool. SSN
Cant blame him.. Really. It's an amazing job but he wouldn't get a chance judging by opinion on here. Same goes for Martinez. I think the owners need to realise that the Liverpool fans want a high profile appointment.
All I care about is that we get the right man. Id be tempted to ask Benitez to come in for a year then go for Guardiola.. If Benitez does well then keep him.
Gazman
So Guardiola but then again Not Guardiola!
I fear Benitez is the best available candidate currently.
Love him for what he gave us, but don't want him back for dragging us under the water. I personally believe he would work better under a DOF but can't see it happening, nor would I want to see it and the politics it would bring.
Bring back kenny
MIKEY
Out of Benitez and Martinez its got to be Rafa?
Can't see who else would come.. Maybe oniel, maybe AVB.. I'd really worry if AVB comes. He didn't half talk s**te in press conferences at Chelsea.
Gazman
18 May 2012 09:53:53
Why are people saying this manager is not up to standard, another doesn't have the experience, etc.
All the managers being considered by FSG will be credible candidates who deserve to be on the shortlist.
Bill Shankly wasn't exactly setting the world on fire at Huddersfield when he moved to Liverpool in 1959. In fact he'd had 10 years of fairly moderate success in the lower divisions, without acheiving a promotion or any honours. At the time many sceptics said that was not the right choice, but they were wrong. This time, it will be the same.
We all have our own preferences, so we won't all agree on the final choice. We just have to get behind the person who is eventually chosen, and give them our full support.
Northern Git
18 May 2012 09:52:01
Brendan rodgers has reject the chance to seak to Liverpool ssn
Joshlfc
18 May 2012 09:52:00
Relegation Man ! What on earth are FSG thinking about even considering Martinez.
Oh yes, I forgot. US firms love yes-men. That is why they don't like Rafa. He is too big for them.
So why is it that American Businessmen like "YES" men!!
How and what evidence do you have for this. Seems like you couldnt think of anything to say so just spoke C":p!!
Were they yes men when they bought the club back from the brink and then took on adidas with the shirt deal and trebled the money on the new deal.
You sir are an person and were right not to want to put your name to that
Lyndon
Was Kenny a "yes man?" Who hired him?
And I like "YES" women!
redkenyan
18 May 2012 09:50:08
Brendan Rodgers turns down approach to speak to Liverpool
THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
18 May 2012 08:55:01
Im thinking the shortlist will be something like this:
Martinez
Rodgers
Villas Boas
Deschamps
Guardiola
Klopp
Lambert
I doubt Benitez or Capello will be considered.
I dont' see that we have any chance with Klopp at the moment, & Guardiola is not gonna happen, so we have 5 choices. Deschamps has most experience, but has had a bad season in France. He did ok in the CL though.
AVB would probably want a crazy budget to bid for Hulk etc, & I dont see FSG agreeing to it.
Lambert has had an impressive start to his managerial career, & has European experience as a player with Celtic/Dortmund.
Rodgers is very highly thought of by Mourinho. His style of play is excellent, & he's worked at Chelsea, so knows what goes on at a big club.
Martinez is a charismatic guy, & well respected throughout the Prem. He has a great attitude to the media, but is he too nice to be a top manager?
Mick D
18 May 2012 08:38:43
This will be our 4th manager in 3 years !! What have the Americans done with our once proud club ??
Before anyone from america got involved in LFC we had just won the European Cup, and were runners up in another one. We were not the liverpool of old but we were still proud, Istanbul made us one again.
After the Hicks and Gillete affair, followed by Roy (a decent man and not his fault), bringing back Dalglish was the only sensible move to appease the irate fans, as the club was going down the drain.
But to sack our King after taking us to wembley 3 times and winning the Carling Cup IN HIS FIRST YEAR is a HUGE MISTAKE.
Personally I dont know if I can come back from this one, the heart and soul has now been ripped out of the club. We have lost everything, our tradition, our reputation, but most of all we have NOBODY left in the club with real class.
It is not just about winning, it is about feeling part of a great club.
I fully expect some young good looking inexperienced manager who 'appears' good on paper to be appointed. By Xmas we could be lying in the same position that Roy took us to....4th from bottom. What happens then? another manager ??
The keyboard warriors who have no knowledge or feel for our wonderful club and wanted instant success have won this round, and I feel saddened and very dissapointed.
With our King being axed the way he was, I feel like I have lost someone really close to me, a real sense of bereavement.
Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish is a man of honour, loved by every true supporter for what he has done for the families of the 96 and for the supporters. He accepted his fate as befitting the living legend that he is. He is one of the last of a generation where respect for mankind and empathy with the fans may in the near future become a thing of the past.
Yes we may win a few trophies in years to come which will keep our owners happy financially, but we have lost the heart and soul of our once great club.
I was very fortunate to go to Wembley twice this year with Kennys army and see the joy on his face when we scored and it brought tears to my eyes just to think that maybe, just maybe the good times were coming back.
Sadly I think our new american owners have started the process that will ultimately end in this once great club becoming a shadow of its former self.
As the americans say.......this has been an epic cockup
Tel 1949
Are you Bi-Polar!!
Lyndon
Get over it Tel. The guy finished 8th in the league having spent more money than any other manager in our history per window. As lovely a bloke he is and as much as he will always be a legend, he wasn't getting the required results. The target was to make top 4, not win a cup, not take us to Wembley. Football is a business and with the fair play rules coming in, it will HAVE to be run like a business. The owners needed top 4 for the outlay they have already made and Kenny failed to do that.
Ash
Pull yourself together man!
LFC_SA
The problem with the so called true supporters you describe, is that they all just want to keep looking back at what Kenny did 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago. The fact is that football has evolved since that time, in the footballing sense and the business and financial sense. its what the so called true supporters you describe need to realise. The time has come to look forwards not backwards.
Steve
Nice post.
While I agree that it was maybe a mistake in not giving KK another season (and yes I am aware of his history and loyalty and service for the club, ) I don't think the current owners should be held accountable for the previous regime. They are aware of our prestigious history and have been successful with the Red Sox franchise which also has a massive fan base and similar history. The heart of our club was not ripped out by the sacking of Kenny, not the manager turn over, but the fans. Very few of us are on the same page.It no longer feels like a family. I am not pointing fingers, I am as guilty as most. Here I am, respectfully disagreeing with an articulate, informed fan.
The main culprits being the impatient glory hunters who called for KK heads and slate our players without a shred of sense. As fans, I feel we all need to have to words in mind at all times. Realism and loyalty.
Being realistic with our targets and abilities and loyalty no matter what. Realistic in realising that a few trips to Wembley is not good enough for our club and not good enough for the owners in a business sense.You would you rather we continued to perform at a sub par level just to keep KK in? Realistic in realising the modern game especially the media side, has changed since KK last reign, and certain aspects he may not be able to deal with, and it was ALWAYS a risk in appointing him in the first place.He does not fit their profile and was only put in place to stabilise, which is what he did. Realistic in realising that when Kenny left, Pep, The Great One and managers alike are not exactly going to be breaking down ours doors. Realistic about our transfers. Loyalty, no matter what.
Davey Liver
Agree Tel. He should not have been sacked. Some other solution should have been sought. Perhaps it was as much Kenny's fault for "digging his feet in" and refusing to accept some compromise. Perhaps the owners are just this ruthless. Whatever; but something was lost from this club with this action. Ian Ayre does not convince saying what a wonderful man he is and what a wonderful job he has done. He then sacked him. We could see an exodus of players and be in a poor position at Christmas. 8th is now a benchmark. Any Manager below that is out. Are we now Chelsea with a new Manager every year? I cannot feel positive about our prospects at the moment and cannot think of a Manager who can come in and restore this loss of "soul" in the club.
Kev 1950
Sadly, I agree with most of what he says.
Nick
Are you deluded? the owners will do whats best for the club and no matter how much we love dalglish he just wasnt it but yet the great king himself has publicly backed our owners. and as for sayin our heart and soul has been torn out who is to say the next man to come in wont become a legend within liverpool and wont bring back the glory days. people need to stop living in the past
Tel
apart from the doom and gloom about the future, your comments about the ethos of the club and the demise of Dalglish are spot on!
Well said.
To the prat who first replied, if you've nothing worth saying , say nothing! Truancy will get your parents into trouble, you know!
Mrpjd
Then let's stop all of this talk about Rafa coming back! If Kenny deserved the sack for finishing 8th after spending £110m than Rafa doesn't deserve the job for finishing 7th and spending £230m.
JRG
The king this!and our king that,and our proud club the other!.i think lyndon is correct in his assesment tel.saurez and your king dalglish in the space of 6 months have dragged liverpools name into the gutter which will prob take years to recover from,a lot of people still feel angry and raw,the racist act was sickening enough,but for the club to publicly stick its chest out and back saruez was disgusting.and it was all down to your so called king,which is prob nearer the mark as to why he lost his job rather than results.keep wearing the red tinted glasses tel and for goodness sake dont forget to take your pills,the consequences of not doing both will be to tramatic for you to handle,i.e. you will come back to the future in a delorean and the future for you is the present warts and all
No not deluded. I hope the new Manager does what you hope he does. I just can't see a top Manager wanting to come to us at the moment and anyone who is young and up and coming is a risk. Kenny had a three year contract. Did it say "only one year if you finish 8th or below"? If the new Manager does get a four year contract and they stick to it, assuming he is making progress, then that will be a positive. Abramovic is ruthless; do we really want our club to be like that? I know FSG talk and communicate and that is better than CFC and MCFC, it is just at the moment the situation is very unclear and we are again at the foot of a trough.
Kev 1950
Tel, I fully support your post, and those who are incapable of understanding what our club has lost probably never knew what the club was about in the first place.
Red Owl
Reading some of the responses to my original post only convinces me that we either have some very poor keyboard warrior supporters or neanderthals with no football knowledge.
To not understand the ethos of Liverpool football club merely confirms what I was trying to say.
THE CLUB WAS ONE GAME AWAY FROM RECIEVERSHIP LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO .... and yet some people are still not happy with 8th.
We have been through hell, and our new owners arnt happy with 8th in Kennys first year despite 3 wembley appearances ?
Their vision for our club is based on baseball and business logic only, it bears no affinity with one of the greatest clubs in world football.... sorry soccer as our new owners call it !
I am convinced that the owners read some of the posts on here and ACTUALLY BELIEVE some of the dross that the keyboard warriors created over Kenny... we live in a sad world
Kenny leaves the club a proud man and forever nestles in the hearts of all true supporters.
Tel 1949
18 May 2012 08:21:27
Frank de boer attended the 3-0 derby, I wonder if that has anything to do with who our next manager will be
Joeyk
18 May 2012 09:49:57
Klopp stayin' at Dortmund- confirmed. That's another one ruled out. Decision to sack Kenny be'innin' to look like Mick McCarthy at wolves. Borrell = Terry Connor?
I for one would be happy if its Borrell...
18 May 2012 09:43:01
With everything that I'd going on at the moment please do not forget the appeal at the top of the page. We have always come together and looked after our own so take a minute to think about this 2 years old kid who needs help. The eds have done their bit by bringing it to our attention so now it is down to us.
Robbie
18 May 2012 09:30:02
Everyone should forget Capello. He he going to chelsea. Win or lose in the Euro cup, dematteo will not be Chelsea manager
Robbie
18 May 2012 09:25:50
What are the chances of landing guardiola {Ed002's Note - Very slim.}
18 May 2012 09:24:18
Please post. We Liverpool fans need to stand up and tell the owners that if they take another gamble with our club that they will not get our support. What are they thinking. The Wigan manager. Survive 2 relagation
18 May 2012 09:21:09
Kenny knew before he got onto the plane to Boston he was gone. He told Carra he was Kenny again not Gaffa. Saw it on LFCTV. Only post it because Macca claimed the owners had no intention of sacking Kenny before the meeting! Hmm. Me thinks somebody's not telling the gods honest...... WelshBoyDave
Carra was refering to Kenny getting on the plain to spain on his hols , not the trip to Boston
Why is everyone questioning maccas info over what Carra said... If you read it correctly it says he spoke to kenny before his flight for his holidays not to go to Boston, he did not go to Boston knowing he was going to get sacked !
G BOX
As it read Carra spoke to Kenny after meeting in America. When getting on plane home asked him "do I call you Kenny now or Boss!!
Technology eh! You can ring mobiles in another country you know!!
Lyndon
18 May 2012 09:16:07
If we hire Martinez or Rodgers it would be a backwards step for our club. A club like lfc sould be looking at top managers, not managers from the bottom of the table. Are we that desprite to get a man in
What exactly had slur Alex done prior to taking over at man utd, that turned out ok
Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forewards
He had won a european cup winners cup with aberdeen before going to man utd.
It annoys me when our fans say something which shows there ignorance....we were once known as the best fans...now we just have idiots!!
Fergie won the SPL and also won the scottish cup and won the european cup winner cup with ABERDEEN!!!
Killerpool
Not that I like praising him, but Slur Alex at Aberdeen broke the Old Firm monopoly in Scotland and also took Aberdeen to europe where they beat Real Madrid in the final of the cup winners cup.
I think that's a bit better than getting Wigan up to 16th in the prem.
Re AF- you're obviously two young to remember that Aberdeen are the only club to have threatened the Old Firm in the last 40 years, when managed by AF.
And no, I'm not a manc (yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn)
Old Red Nose had done amazingly well at Aberdeen before utd, he was a proven winner. This was before he had enough dosh to bribe refs and all! :) {Ed001's Note - not true, Aberdeen had the North Sea oil money then and he had a comparatively huge budget.}
18 May 2012 09:11:34
Ed do you pep guardiola is under consideration ed
Thanks {Ed002's Note - I imagine he would be considered but I really don't think he will be joining this summer.}
18 May 2012 09:10:19
The fans are getting really nervous. Myself included. I guess we're hoping for some kind of statement of intent and Martinez is not getting anyone too excited.
cozinoz
18 May 2012 09:09:56
Got to be Laudrup for me.
Cobra
18 May 2012 09:00:37
I was one of those who wanted kenny gone, but Martinez? Surely our club can do better than that. we need a proven manager who can attract top quality players, not another midtable manager.
Indian Buzzer
We had that in Kenny. He should have had at least another season! Be careful what you wish for Indian Buzzer.
Wahey! Welcome to the real world! This will teach you to be careful with what you wish for! Sack Kenny, get mediocre replacement. you've asked for it! Singred
Do you now understand the phrase "careful what you wish for" Indian?
You my dear Indian Buzzer are the epitomy of why Dalglish was sacked. You are a whingeing supporter and every one of your posts was another little step in getting rid of the one person who could have saved our club.
hang your head in shame, and please dont bother replying cos Im not interested
Tel 1949
18 May 2012 08:55:35
Ian Ayre in a interview said that no top player will be leaving this summer.
who is he talking abt?
we have
johnson
skrtl
agger
enrique
lucas
gerrard
suarez
carroll (who i rate )
henderson
shelvey
nor ready yet
kuyt
maxi
bellamy
spearing
downing??
past it or not good enough.
Dear henry should concentrate on buying class players.
lucas out gerrard injury agger injury.
47 times the post/bar have cost the KING his job.
these owners are gonna need years to build us up,they bought the club for a unbelieveble price.
they will get the ground sorted and pay it of in 6/8 years and sell the club for 800mil.
these are just the same as H/G there just not broke yet.
Seeing their valuation, it would take an awful long time for FDG to go broke?
Totally agree LEP72
18 May 2012 08:10:52
come on guys get of Martinez's back the guy is just having an interview. sick of hearing everyone moan that he hasn't got enough experience. shanks never had loads neither and the rest is history as they say. my point is, if he does sign then lets get behind him and give him the time to build a team. if he does come then maybe we will see some players come for little money and they could become stars, instead of waiting for these players to join other teams then buy them for big money (Ramerez, Kawaga, spring to mind).
keep the faith
LEP72
YNWA
Do me a favour mate and look at the stats,
He has a 27% win ratio
We need someone with winning mentality and experience
AKA Klopp
Ltp the red
When Martinez took over from Steve Bruce at Wigan, they were 11th. 3 seasons later, they finished 17th, 17th and 15th! Muppet.
18 May 2012 08:08:20
The best choice for me at this time would be Marcelo Biesla.
Experienced, strong character, innoitive, charismatic, passionate, good eye for a player, gives young players a chance.
For me he would definately be the best candidate and certainly has the experience for the job.
mikehoopersgloves
Frank De Boer would be my choice. He has won the lot (championships as player and manager, CL, UEFA cup) and knows how to win. Singred
How about Stevie Nicol?
18 May 2012 08:06:36
i would like to c Deschamps as manager with with carra as a player assistant manager
Carragher needs to go, he shouldnt be here anymore!
Steve
Steve needs to go, he shouldnt be here anymore!
Carra
18 May 2012 08:04:46
Hi eds wat about alan pardew have we got a good chance of gettin him he as done a
good job for newcastle {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, sorry.}
If we even interview pardew where finished as a big club!
Kp
I bl**dy well hope not!
Kev
18 May 2012 07:57:52
The next managing director will be Brian Barwick
Seasoned
18 May 2012 07:36:18
EDS, any news in Fabio Paratici {Ed002's Note - In what way?}
Isnt he going great guns at Juve !! {Ed001's Note - yes but is he asking for news on Juve's transfer workings? Because there is no connection with us.}
18 May 2012 07:32:47
What i can't understand is why they would go for guys like Martinez and Rogers, ok they have done well with their respected clubs, but surely experience and winning trophies would come into it more regardless of the age of the individual ?
I can't understand why they wouldn't go for the special one as he has admitted in the past at his desire to manage LFC. Ok so there would be some big compensation, but no different to paying 18m for a player that isn't good enough ? I think FSG have got it wrong if they go for Martinez or Rogers, no disrespect but i don't think they are experienced enough yet and this could be a huge mistake
FSG should go all out to get one of the top european managers if they want to take this club forward, a guy struggling with relegation every season and a guy that was sacked by Reading aren't the answer in my opinion
Macca you mentioned 2 names but did you know of the approach for Martinez or Rogers, or even Pardew now i've heard ?
I'm hoping that they will indeed speak to several individuals including some of the top european guys
When did mourinho express his desire to manage liverpool, i thought he always said he would never manage us. just asking, coz i'vs seriously never heard of him having an interest. {Ed002's Note - When at Porto.}
Tbh mate i disagree i suggested martinez on here weeks ago, I think FSG look at the likes of swansea and wigan and think that they both play excellent football(In the premier league) have installed confidence in for me average players and have spent relativley little on them and will sell them on for big profits, they trust young players and are hungry enough to start to build a football club which is what we want.
I think a big name manager with a big ego would be a wrong move. we need a good DOF aswell cos our biggest downfall recently is not seeing young talent and missing out to our rivals...
We need to be realistic this is a big and long project, and we are a at the moment 8th best team in prem...think we should be more realistic with our targets...jose no way he just wouldnt come...
Dave
18 May 2012 06:58:20
Eds
The Daily Mail claims that we have contacted Guardiola and Capello. Deschamps and Klopp are also on the shorlist. Can you shed some light on this? How reliable are the Daily Mail?
Red PG {Ed002's Note - I have no idea who has been contacted, sorry.}
NOT reliable at all
18 May 2012 07:28:32
I'd first of all like to thank Kenny. True LFC fans will never **** on a LFC legend and KD thank you for taking the job in such tense circumstances and doing your best for us...even if it didnt go to plan.
For the last 25 years you have been a wonderful LFC man on and off the pitch and I hope you stay around even be it in legends games and charity dinners with your beautiful wife Marina.
For me Klopp, Deschamps or Laudrup.
Jurgen tactical and plays an attacking brand.
Didier broke Marseille long drought (18 years?)
Laudrup loves LFC and a great student of the game
EDS what about Mandzukic? Been very good for Wolfsburg and very versatile. Any interest? {Ed002's Note - Spurs, Lyon and Lille have shown and interest in Mandzukic.}
18 May 2012 07:13:48
Would be interesting to see who people would prefer, Martinez, avb or Rodgers? Don't think we have a chance of guadiola, klopp, cappello or bielsa. Here's a name I've not heard mentioned claudio ranieri
Bielsa for me or Laudrup
Jupp heyncke
18 May 2012 07:11:39
Surely Micahel Laudrup should be considered as a main candidate for the job, he is young, favours good attacking football, is good with the media, and has the reputation in europe to attract big name players, and handle big ego's. He is unattached at the moment so would command no fee, seems like a no-brainer surely?
Why is he unattached? how well has he done at his previous clubs?
Exactly, whoever seems to be advising FSG regarding the Manager seems to have no clue whatsoever about football!
AG
18 May 2012 06:50:45
Dutch press carrying frank de boer to manage Liverpool is take that as he has won league twice in two years of management with small transfer budget and losing the likes of Luis etc
Premier league is not dutch league so what he did there is no yardstick and Liverpool is not Ajax. The pressure is much higher to succeed.
So if we are restricted to choosing a manager from clubs as big as LFC, we are stuck with choosing from a half dozen clubs, none of whose managers are available at this point? Great
Great shout. I would be delighted if de Boer got the job.
I'd actually prefer him to Klopp in many respects.
He has a great eye for a player. Is young, successful, plays quality football and incorporates youth players into the team very well.
He is hugely respected in the game, has links to the best young players in Holland and beyond (and the national team setup) - and has delivered the title whilst the boardroom has been in turmoil.
He speaks several languages, one being English - and would certainly put our Academy to good use, he's used with coping with a priority on youth!
BJH YNWA (maybe he could bring a few pals - and some of his players with him too?!)
He's perfect - perfect I tell you.
Agree people! Agree!
18 May 2012 06:40:31
Got to be AVB for me. Could attract big players and has experience. Rodgers would be a risk but might pay off. Martinez a no go for Liverpool if we want to improve.
I really don't understand why anyone would want us to go for AVB?! He quite clearly showed that he was out of his depth at Chelsea so why wouldn't he be out of his depth at Liverpool?
18 May 2012 06:38:56
FSG want a "panel" of qualified peps to fill the old DoF role.... Txiki, david dein and segura is the wanted ones... Martinez is not first choice as manager, but maybe only one available.... FSG wants big things for this club and are prepared to spend once they have the management fixed... First choice at manager was pep guardiola, but he had no interrest what so ever... And is no "wage roof" like other have said... They will pay what they mean is responsible.... I also believe a list of targets is set an will be dicussed with new manager, but he will not have the final saying, wich is a model im not very fan of, but typical american.... Eds plz say im wrong regarding to transfer tacts?
Lovely site
cheers
18 May 2012 06:23:54
Hi eds and Macca which realistic wingers do you think Liverpool should sign when they appoint a manager?
Depends on who the new manager is and who he wants, so no-one at this time will know which players will come in.
Munian and Ramirez
18 May 2012 06:23:38
ed's and macca; is frank de boer one of the managers we're looking at? {Ed002's Note - I would very much doubt de Boer would be available but I don't know who they are considering.}
18 May 2012 06:22:10
I feel sick after going through this Martinez rumors. What the hell is FSG thinking..? In this time of desperation these guys are experimenting..! Why don't get someone who has been there and done that or has FSG realized that we are going to fight relegation battle next season so better find someone who is accustomed to it. I mean we are here talking about Klopp and Deschamps and loom what FGS pulls out if the hat..! All my optimism is now fading away. What the freck man! I just can't believe this bullcrap..!
Musicnation
Ha! I bet you are one of those who wanted Kenny out. You got what you deserved, so now stew in it.
Mr. Nokneejerking
18 May 2012 06:13:04
just seen krusty the clown entering the anfield bigtop could be the new manager
Oh hilarious.
While your post is funny the likes of avb and martinez etc etc on a list means your jibe rings true . it is a f.....g circus . fsg better sort their mess out . the stadium is another issue that needs to be sorted
18 May 2012 05:58:41
FSG sorry but you are not Fit For Purpose.
Martinez ! Is this some kind of sick joke? A few weeks back he was facing relegation ! Now he is top line. Who on earth are these fools consulting?
Football is played with a round ball not an oval one.
The fact that they even considered a loser, beggers belief.
18 May 2012 03:31:35
Not a rumour, just a boring fact - saw Trigger coming out of a dry cleaners in bromborough, wirral minutes before I heard Kenny was sacked. Not quite "kloppo outside melwood" I know.
18 May 2012 05:57:32
Would the board let someone like Hyypia guve it a go? Myabe smicer?
I would like to c Deschamps as manager with with carra as a player assistant manager
18 May 2012 05:28:15
One person who will not be the new Liverpool Manager is Marcello Lippi.
He has just been appointed the new manager of Guangzhou Evergrande in China.
Just thought people may be interested to know.
China Red
Another person who won't be LFC manager is Bryan Robson. Any more?
My neighbor bob has just got a new job so we can rule him out of the running
Im absloutely gutted
Kanos
18 May 2012 04:47:46
Can't move for talk of Martinez being our next manager, it's also looking unlikely AVB is a possibility.
Not to put down the level of managers we're being linked with (huge amount of respect for Martinez and Rodgers) i feel it could be Hodgson syndrome. At Fulham and WBA he could sit back and counter teams and get reasonable results. When he came to Liverpool though and teams parked the bus he just didn't seem to know how to deal with it and i feel this could be the case again if we don't land a bigger manager. I'm also hugely gutted for Dalglish, the man lives for the club and to see him leave without getting another season is a shock to me.
That being said whoever gets the job i'm going to be 100% behind them, YNWA and all =)
18 May 2012 04:47:11
why cant people undestand that martinez is just one from a list of managers being interviewed for the post. reading some of the comments, one would feel, he has actually been appointed. i feel what the owners are doing is right, they're speaking to a no. of candidates inorder to get the right man for the job. lets just trust them, give them time & not jump to conclusions.
18 May 2012 03:21:17
Martinez more likely to go to Villa
Kloop will not leave CL bound Dortmund
Deschamps' stock has fallen this year
Capello wants Chelsea job (after CL loss)
Rafa is not well liked by FSG
AVB possible but has Roma offer
Rodgers/Lambert too big of a risk
Guardiola unlikely to come off sabatical
No one knows what the outcome of the application process. Anyone saying different is lying!
It's as clear as the days long, it's Martinez. They sacked Kenny out of fear that Villa may bag him. Cheap option, perfect for cheap owners.
Ozone {Ed002's Note - Dalglish was sacked for the reasons that have been given - not to rush to get another manager.}
AVB has no offer from roma he is not going there they have given the job to someone else
18 May 2012 03:16:06
Guardian reporting that our top target is Pep Guardiola. Hopefully good times ahead!
www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/liverpool-pep-guardiola-roberto-martinez
18 May 2012 03:10:54
Hey Eds, do you think there is any chance, however remote, that Rodolfo Borrell could be in the frame? I think he'd be ideal, if he had the right staff around him. Do you know if he's ever shown any interest in moving into first team football, or wants to stick to youth coaching? {Ed002's Note - I don't know.}
He wants to stick to youth coaching.
Whoever said he wants to stick to youth coaching YOU ARE WRONG he left Barcelona because they promoted the face friendly but less able Guardiola.
Kopping a feel
So Guardiola was 'less able'.
lol.
He won every trophy he possibly could have in his first year - If he never managed again his Barca side would still be considered one of the best to ever play the game - and he one of the best managers ever (In a Bob Paisley kinda way - a lot of trophies in a short space of time).
I'm sure that Borrell was masterminding it all from Liverpool though....
Is it possible to have appointed someone 'more able' than Guardiola proved to be?
Mind bogglingly mental.
BJH YNWA
18 May 2012 02:29:16
Well, well!.
FSG have certainly 'made their bed', I hope they 'enjoy sleeping in it'!.
What next, a manager from the MLS.
Damn laughing stock!.
18 May 2012 02:26:01
Hi Eds great work to all, coming into your busy period.
Not a rumour but just my opinions.
I for one would go with Martinez he is a good young manager, tactically astute and passionate. I like the way he talks about football and his honesty about his teams performances in interviews. this season alone he played 442, 4411, 451, 433, 541 and even 343 i have never seen any manager play 343 in the premiership probably even in england(awaiting corrections). He adapts to what is needed in the next game to compete and adjusts the team accordingly and all this still while playing fluid passing attacking football. He is a good man manager and will get the best out of the players we have at the club at the moment others hopefully to come in(striker, back up DM and wingers right and left). I for one beleive that he would also get the best out of Adam and hopefully we would see the player we all thought he could be for us. The swansea team we all see now was his foundations before he moved to wigan the style of play, players etc. In summarising he's the right choice for Liverpool FC to soon in his career is nonsense, Pep Guardiola @ barca, AVB @ Porto but unlike AVB the tactical knowledge martinez has will not see our defence torn open like chelsea's was time and time again and even if it is it wouldn't happen twice under martinez
Onto Suarez, if you stop take of your RED tinted glasses and think yes he is a good player but he is a liability. Wasteful in front of goal not great with assists, stands around pointing and blaming others when things go bad and goes missing in a lot of games. He is a marked man with officals now and probably would lose him for a few games most seasons due to suspensions for stupid things like karate kicks and karate chops on Ivanivic to name one(wont even mention 8 games for racist comments or 8 games in holland for biting a players ear). i for one would sell him and get someone to wear that number 7 shirt as it should be worn, with pride, passion and foremost for the team and not himself.
Shane Dub
You talk a lot of sense Shane Dub. People need to see beyond the negative comments and analyse the strengths and weaknesses of the prospective managers. On Suarez your views echo mine. £30m plus gets us two quality players like Muniain and de Jong.
PieInTheSkyMan
Suarez,
Appearances - 37
Goals - 17
Assists - 7
18 May 2012 02:09:29
does anyone else feel really underwhelmed by martinez being interviewed ,usually i am excited by the possibilities of a new manager , what players he might take with him etc where as with this i feel more apprehensive as to what might happen , this is FSG's chance to make a statement off the direction the club will be going in so i just hope they consider all the possibilities out there and not just settle on martinez because its what the press have been shouting about , if they do go through this supposed list and he is deemed to be the best for the job then so be it but all a bit quick for me , does anyone else think the same
The most important aspect is that we get a better prospect than Kenny Dalglish.
A consistent 15th league place and scraping relegation doesn't smell of a highly successful manager to me, especially when you read how Klopp and Deschamps took lowly clubs to higher positions.
Unfortunately, Kenny is gone. Let's replace him with someone higher calibre.
cozinoz
What's too quick? They are only drawing up a list right now.
I hope they are just covering their options. If they have the highest ambition FSG should really be targeting managers like Klopp of Dortmund. That said if the very best won't come they have to be more realistic. Let's wait and see..,L19red
18 May 2012 02:09:14
NEW MANAGER ? THANK YOU KING KENNY
my choice, someone who one who can at least get us in the top four for now, a title winning team in at least 4 years. RAFA, history and winning record. PEP, need i say more, AVB, will have the same problems he had a chelsea. MARTINEZ, dont be fooled by the suits and big results last season, too soon for him. ROGERS, a dark horse, very strong character and coach. LFC, looking for a coach not a manager, to enable fluency of a business style of managing the club.hence the staffing clear out and the search for replacements and creations of new roles, promotions. all of the above with the exception of rafa fit into exactly what FSG want. if TEXI does take the dof role, the strong chance of MARTINEZ to get the job.i hear you shout why not PEP.(he does want to take anything up just yet but would be in future should the chance come up.) the club know they cannot pull PEP off yet but from a media point of view it helps your brand to be seen in a strong light. DEIN is currently consulting and will most likely keep that unofficial post. nothing is concrete news other than DEIN. also must add that the KENNY era was always meant to be short term. and the length of the contract was based on the maximum time FSG needed in getting ready for a full blown re-structure as they are doing now and if KENNY had won the league ,champs league consecutively the next 2 years he still would have been leaving at the end of that. it just so happens the reds under KENNY stewardship has not qualified for champions league, and FSGs re-structure plan is ready. KENNY fully understood this before he took the job, and knew what he had to do was to restore fans faith back in Liverpool Football Club. Thank you KENNY. and fully support the new man when hes confirmed.
18 May 2012 02:02:46
The King is Dead
Long Live the King
Nobody is bigger than the Club (and never should be)
Onwards and upwards...
MikeinUSA
Kenny Dalglish is alive and kicking and based on recent events at LFC and the way they have handled things ( with no class or patience), believe me, as a loyal supporter and universally loved by all true supporters like Shankly and Paisley before him, he is bigger than the club in my eyes....... and always will be
In Kenny we trust
Tel 1949
18 May 2012 01:56:06
Is Ash or Redturk about, fed up of all these negative vibes...need some cheering up!
dmedly
Yeah! They must be looking at the list of candidates, Martinez, Dechamps,Avb etc and hope for Kenny back.Although they all have fancy foreign names so Redturk might be happy.
The Irish Rover
18 May 2012 01:51:18
didier deschamps?
last time he rejected us, well two reasons may be , he might have not wanted to go with FSG new yanks in town ? n also his previous commitments?
well the word has it is that, kenny was a bound to be sacked as FSG had their man ready before kenny went to Boston. he knew it.
anyways putting this logic aside , didier should not have any problem ? his contract is up n done, FSG has shown that they are not like the previous yanks , they want to improve.
didier deschamps is a best option available , pep(wants some time off football) or jose(wont leave Madrid this soon n also chevesky r waiting for his nod ) so, we should go ahead with didier deschamps.
18 May 2012 01:39:44
hi all so i have been thinking of who we could get as manager and who we would all think would create a great atmosphere at the club once more so with that in mind i present to you KYLIE MINOGUE im sure we would all get behind her what you think eds.-wellbuttered.com
18 May 2012 01:33:27
Get FSG OUT!
Bring back Kenny, first half of the season bar the totenham game has been the best football I'v seen! just no goals its a simple problem Kenny could have solved! If AVB is appointed I will not stop complaining till FSG are out!
Rafa is the only other manager I'd have a Liverpool fc I want a manager to have real love for the football club like kenny did like stevie does like cara does and everyone else who is wearing that shirt with pride! I'l be damned to see any Ex-Chelsea man get in control of this Club
YNWA KENNY
Posivitly Nervously Red!
Are you serious! Some of us fans need to calm down , FSG are winners give them a little time to sort things out . I am a supporter as we all should be support !! So go take some medication and support LFC from our legends , players , staff and owners !
18 May 2012 01:33:25
Anyone else find it ironic that many of those ranting and raging about Kenny not being given enough time are the same people telling FSG their time is up!
I may be wrong, but didn't FSG hire Kenny about 2 months after taking over? So Kenny should have been given 2 more months?
18 May 2012 01:20:04
Seeing David Dein's name crop up a bit here got me thinking. Wasn't he hugely instrumental in sorting out Arsenal's move to the Emirites? He would seem, from a neutral's point of view, to be a great addition to the board at Liverpool, and a very shrewd bit of business if it comes off.
He is still very highly regarded by Arsenal fans
18 May 2012 00:58:32
Get didi back not as manager but give him a role at the club true legend
18 May 2012 00:53:51
I think people need to start respecting the owners a bit more rather than criticise them.
I for one are grateful that we such good owners who are genuine and care about the club.
Neilp
How do you know they care about the club , they may care about their investment and therefore do not want to lose any cash. i do wish them the best of luck as we need them on our side.
i do not think they are fully committed , they are taking a chance that a world famous football club will come good again but they need to think about the new manager, when shanks came i was going to the match standing in the boys pen' and we were in the second division , shanks was special and he bought special players , the new manager needs to be special and he also needs special players ( he needs to get rid of the majority of the current team as they will drag him down) we the fans have to support the new manager , give him a chance as the fans have played a big part in getting rid of recent managers .
my message to all fans of lfc lets get rid of the negative vibes and support who ever takes over."when you walk through a storm hold your head up high and dont be afraid of the storm, walk on with hope in your heart" , red mick tag
Genuine my backside.
Ozone
LFC under FSG will no longer have the old fashioned MANAGER. That is gone now. What LFC will be getting from now on will be a HEAD COACH whose job is only to coach the team.
The management side of things will be done by other people in the backroom staff.
Mr. Nokneejerking
18 May 2012 00:29:59
So all the people who wanted kenny out, gunna be happy with Martinez?
This is what happens when we faulter in our support.
And now im reading all these posts about, ill be happy for suarez to leave for 35m etc etc.......Why?!
He is our best player, having good players, attracts other good players, believe it or not.
Can we at least support suarez and demand he stays, if he leaves, its another 2 steps back.
I pray Macca is right for once and we get klopp or didier.
Ben the red
Faulted in our support did we
I forgot that we have to follow blindly into the bottom half of the table without being able to say anything
People have a major fault they support the man before they support the club
No matter who it is, that is not the way that it works
18 May 2012 00:29:21
Martinez the favourite to land the job at 4/1
AVB second at 5/1
really disappointed to see the king go, believe he would have turned it around given another year.
Those expecting a huge name such as Mourinho and Guardiola are being very hopeful, there's no chance.
Though I'm not sure any realistic target is as good as Dalglish, i think Martinez, given time (more than 1 season!) will be able to steer us towards the business end of the season. Nice man in football, who plays the game in an honourable fashion.
Let's hope for a good next few years - YNWA
Alex96
Will he be given time, though? Halfway into the season, if we are not in the top 4 or 5, Martinez will start having a very torrid time of it from the fans. That is guaranteed.
It is going to be a tragic comedy as one half of the fans will be screaming for the return of the king (pun intended), while the other half is baying for the return of Rafa. Just imagine that going on at Anfield in a home game while Martinez is at the helm. Absolute tragicomedy stuff.
Mr. Nokneejerking
18 May 2012 00:17:06
Reading what some of the other posters have said about King Kenny turning down his compensation package and asking for it to be reinvested into the team. It just goes to show, even though the King had an under achieving season, he still oozes pure class. What a man the King is! He is part of the soul that we Liverpool fans cherish! If only the great legends Shankly and Paisley were here to see what a great man the King has become.
Whatever has happened this past season, King Kenny will forever be my King and I will worship him and the club!
Long Live the King! YNWA
lil_elf {Ed016's Note - Still gutted he left. Still think if Lucas and Gerrard had been fully fit that he would still be in a job. I really do think he deserved another year. What a legend.)
No doubt he deserved another year
The possibility of the king getting it right the following could be part of the reasons why he was sacked by FSG.
After all, kenny was never their first choice and this was their perfect chance to get rid of him and get in their own man (whoever that is).
Mr. Nokneejerking
18 May 2012 00:40:12
The question is how much money will FSG fork out for the new manager.....Lets face it Martinez, Rodgers, Lambert... will cost less than Capello, AVB, Pep, Jupp , Rickaard....all I want is a manager the players will look up to and he will draw other top players....Can Martinez do this Ed? Wigan has been fighting relegation for 3 seasons under him!! {Ed001's Note - I don't see it, he has dragged Wigan down and suddenly become a media darling for doing so!}
18 May 2012 00:40:08
MARTINEZ??
i would prefer pardew or rodgers. they both had a better record this year in the league. rodgers and pardew had his side playing fast fluent penetrating passing football. martinez still need to prove himself. come on u yanks pick pardew or rodgers.
some how i do get the feeling that if this manager fails this coming season the fans will all be calling for the heads on j henry. you made a horrible descision on kk. you better pick a good manager and invest loads of money in this new transfer window or else you henry might get the axe from the fans. protest , protest protest.
i will always support liverpool.
trini reds
18 May 2012 00:36:20
Wigan can have permission : To kiss my arse !
18 May 2012 00:13:14
I would rather give Rodolfo the job before Martinez.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
I agree with you there blair pal.
Ben the red
Any day mate and i also feel that Rodolfo wouldnt be a bad fit for the job either way
KevtheRed~
18 May 2012 00:12:03
Hi Eds
Great coverage of the sacking/new manager thus far.
Question i have is regarding Pep Guardiola. Surely the press are just linking him because he is out of a job. Personally i dont see him as a possibility but am curious to know what the EDs view on this is?
Of course would be a great choice but i cant imagine the size of the carrot we would have to dangle to get him back from his leave.
Aussie Bob {Ed001's Note - I think FSG just realise they have to ask him, he can only say no after all. Though I wouldn't want him personally, he has shown nothing to me to prove he is capable of managing Liverpool.}
Oh for crying out loud ed Guardiola has done NOTHING to prove he is capable of managing liverpool really u wanna stand by that statment what a stupid comment
18 May 2012 00:09:39
ED - PLEASE POST - My letter to the owners:
Please get behind this:
Dear Mr Henry,
*****A small prayer from a Massive Family - LIVERPOOL FC!*****
You arrived on Merseyside, in 2010,
A gentleman to replace mercenaries amongst men.
You said the right things, and delivered the right tone,
We came through a storm, knowing we would never walk alone.
In the January of 2011, you promised you would listen,
The King was back, would the trophies now glisten?
The king was, is and always will be- a legend amongst the fans,
Backing his Liverpool family through adversity, and controversial bans.
The results may not have been great, which ultimately saw the King departing
But after the double over Chelsea, perhaps the repair work was starting?
You admitted you don't quite understand "soccer", when you arrived to Liverpool,
So let me give you an analogy closer to home- the three strike rule..
Hodgson lost the dressing room, so deservedly got the chop,
So you turned in our darkest hour, to the darling of the Kop..
He answered your call, and Scousers were once again proud,
The family grew closer, the terraces grew loud.
So whilst we are at our loudest and proudest, perhaps you could fulfil that promise to listen,
Linda wanted to learn the fans songs, but we'd rather she heard our sentiments -(with your permission).
In your own words Mr Henry, Kenny is the clubs" heart and soul",
So by tearing us apart, how do you envisage filling the hole??
You brought warrior to the club shirt, yet removed our gladiator from his post,
Yes you want a return on your investment, but its us fans who crave success the most.
The results may or may not have come under Kenny, opinion remains divided,
But now that your 1 strike down, lets make sure the next move is one far more decided.
Together we will look forward, as together we lost, together we won,
But at Liverpool FC we accept that not every shot results in a home run.
We are the most faithful fans in football- making Fortress Anfield more a family than a lions den..
So before you write our next chapter- We implore you- Be careful to whom you hand your pen!!
In your trusted hands lies a gem of a football club, laden with a tradition and history unique
Let the next chapter be synonymous with Shankly's legacy, for its people of his mould we seek.
We need our next fighter, next champion, next pioneer- a master of leading and delegation,
A man with the fight and experience to be winner, not an escape artist of relegation!
So we ask you Mr Henry, to please consider the aforementioned- for the above qualities in our manager are a must...
But just in case your struggling for direction - let the heartbeat and family of Liverpool fans remind you that...
IN RAFA WE STILL TRUST!!
YNWA *****
From the fans of the greatest club in the world!!
Please Listen...
GEORGE ROGERS *****YNWA***** {Ed001's Note - except I do NOT trust in Rafa in any shape or form and he would be a terrible appointment.}
All that effort, to f it up with the last sentence bout rafa haha
Ben the red
Please not Rafa. I'd never fallen asleep during a Liverpool game before he took over.
cozinoz
Dude, you need to get a life...
Moreover, Rafa is not the answer...unless you want us to remain in the 2nd half of the table for a very, very long time.
Rafa want the Chelsea job. So let him ruin his career shall we?
AnfieldUSA
I think Rafa should change his name to Marmite!
dmedly
ps. Vegemite for our Antipodean friends!
Ed1,ben and cozinoz we have to agree rafa is better option then martinez
Rafa is not a better option to Martinez in that Martinez offers much better, positive, attacking footballing philosophy than Rafa does.
I agree with the earlier poster who said that one falls asleep while watching LFC play under Rafa.
I, personally, don't ever want to experience that ever again. Rafa = very boring style of footy.
Mr. Nokneejerking
18 May 2012 00:01:44
So I had a dream last night and I saw this unfolding over the next few weeks
Dein joins as ceo
Begiristain joins dof
Guardiola joins as Manager
If that wasnt good enough I then saw the line up of new players that followed
Messi
Daniel Alves
Pique
Then I wet my bed....damn.. ;-p
Speedy
ps Good luck eds you are going to need it...not only do you have to contend with the transfer market you have the good job of commenting on the speculation about the ceo and dof and managers positions..... but just remember WE LOVE YOUR WORK
18 May 2012 00:00:27
I think there's only one person that FSG should consider for the managerial position: Old Whiskey Nose Fergie.
Now that he's cut his teeth with that second rate outfit down the road, he'll relish the challenge to step up a gear - and win things on a more regular basis.
RedTed ;-)
18 May 2012 00:00:21
How much would dagliesh of got for being fired I heard he turned it down and told FSG to invest it in the team other words put it too the transfer budget :) the man has always been a legend and always will be a legend and a kop idle :) just wondered if it was a big amount which could help or not that much :)
LFC4LIFE {Ed001's Note - it would be around 8m.}
You think we've just paid Kenny £8million? You really are an person arent you?
These owners are highly intelligent. They didnt want Kenny as manager in the first place and no doubt would have drawn up a contract to the effect of: "if we dont get top 4 or league performance is unsatisfactory and we decide to let you go you will only get half the remainder of your contract"
You really believe they have just thrown £10million out the window? I dont think you realise who you are dealing with...Henry is a very accomplished and evolved businessman and no way would he have just paid Dalglish nearly 10million pounds...thats beyond stupid.
When accounts come out for this year you will feel foolish. {Ed001's Note - and you are? That's right a no mark who has no idea what they are talking about. Give it a rest because you are quite simply an imbecile with no idea about what you are talking about. Go and play on kraptalk with the other neanderthals.}
Why is it so impossible to believe they would throw $10 million out the window...didn't they throw $35 million out that same window last January??...to be followed by many more millions last summer??
I love kraptalk. Koptalk... Not so much.
AnfieldUSA
17 May 2012 23:58:23
Surely Dalglish's future did not hinge on the Swansea result? Now we have to await the appointment of a new Manager before entering the transfer market. Once again, Liverpool will be left behind. This was a very bad call by Liverpool's owners. Potential targets will wait before the situation has been resolved and by then it will probably be too late as they will sign elsewhere.
17 May 2012 23:55:41
I know that he is genuinely interested in taking a year out, I know his wages would be huge and I know that it's unlikely. But would we not even check on pep's availibility?
He isn't employed and even if we just see if he would be interested, surely we would enquire?
Any opinions ed's/Macca?
Jim
17 May 2012 23:51:18
i too think benitez (after kenny) is the best man for the job however if txiki comes in wud benitez then be the best man for the job im far from sure because benitez wud allmost certain be hands tied to playing field alone and to me thats not rafa and ans the question why they wer loooking for a young "coach" because it wud be easy bring in someone who was cutting ther cloth so to speak and in my mind i dont have an issue but everything happening so fast i do have an issue with we bring in a legend and he steadies the ship we "sack" him and all in 24 hrs we replace him and everyone no matter how this turns out it is a question of integrity and fsg have allways used that word but wud hardly know the meaning of it they planned this for some time and wudnt it have been nice to say thnx kenny mate we are replacing u at the end of the season so u take the plaudits for the last home game and it wud have given the team extra incentive to win at wembley but no they try to bring lge position and results into it. i for one am questioning the integrity of the caretakers of our football club they have talked a game of knowing what this club is about and tells me these people have not our great club at heart but linen they feel in ther pocket. i once heard a statement and it quiet rightly said he who comes running on his knees to do whatever is necessary to get u back on your feet thers allways the hand who u help that will damn u becuase without money or power u have become more powerful than he. i will continue to give my undoubted support to liverpool football club but until the current caretakers show some dignity i will not do bill shankly wrong and say i agree with this crew dignity respect and pride r what this clubs foundations wer built upon but theyve shown none of those and trust me people shankly laid these foundations
in KK and LFC FANS i TRUST YNWA
livlim
17 May 2012 23:49:34
Everybody is jumping the gun, just because they are interviewing martinez doesnt not nessarily mean he will become manager, they have a few other candidates they will interview others before a decsion