Liverpool Banter Archive December 16 2012

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16 Dec 2012 23:13:51
players we are being linked with are the calibre of players we have come used to seeing at liverpool ince sturridge etc its shocking

They are good enough to stay mid table!

16 Dec 2012 23:12:35
Well i am shocked by the players we are being linked too i mean ince sturridge we should be after better players do we want to win the league or settle for mid table what is going on. Great site by the way ed have just moved top argentina and this is a great way to keep in touch with whats going on

16 Dec 2012 22:59:56
I believe Allen is a luxury player in that he looks good on the ball and does a good job but contributes far too little to attacking and defending to be carried in this team right now. I'd much prefer sahin who has a goal threat or Henderson who will run tackle. Just my thoughts right now.
Thanks,
Puzzles Red

You posted this before, you are wrong now think of something new to say.

K79

Maybe when Allen improves more can be added, but honestly Allen is more 'Woody Allen' than performer.

16 Dec 2012 22:58:27
Ozone, youre a pillock. That is all. good evening eds.
Benny baller

16 Dec 2012 22:57:52
Shak attack mate you are awsome dealing with all these pessimistic wingers like ozone and who ever else comes on here just moaning as soon as we lose!

BR is doing a fantastic job with the thin squad he has and he's had this job 6 months! Atleast give him 2 seasons before you can judge. It may seem a long time but if we get a different manager we have to start all over again.

BR is going to be a legend at this club and be here for a long time so get used to it and start supporting him!

Red twist

Red Twist, once you have taking your head out of Shak's backside, can you give me 3 reasons why you think BR is doing a fantastic job, or why you think he will be a legend .. You see when these whingers come along I would like some ammunition to fire back at them ... and I cant think for myself so can you give me what I should post back at them.
Appreciated

Roy

All we can hope for is rogers keeps uz in the prem some how while he has chance to build the squad he wants to play this style of game,trouble is every game is going to have to be a cup final because were we stand in the table, a couple more loses will be fighting to get out of relegation. as good as the game looks it seems were going 4 steps back and 1 step forward. i honestly think that another striker wont do it for rogers unless hes robie fowler or ian rush.i do beleive that gerrard shud be subed and used in the second half and sahn shud be suarez shadow

Roy, we wouldn't be moaning if there weren't so many flaws in the Rodgers vision and FSG's ownership strategy.

Ozone

BR needs two years?
meaning No cl for another 2 years?
cant believe y some fans are so patient enough to see us rebuilding?
is it beocz...its just a matter of 90 mts with some beer in the pub...

16 Dec 2012 22:57:26
Personally feel Brendan should play 4-3-1-2 with the 2 strikers playing a little wider cutting in. Stevie in the free role. Sahin holding and then the 2 workhorses Allen and Lucas to fill in the gaps, to cover the wide areas exc.. And for the fullbacks to be a little more defensive.

We should play 3-2-2-1-1-2, it would confuse the opposition

I can see where you are coming from but we need attacking full backs for the system to work. We have one, and he is doing well, in Johnson, but I worry that the younger crop of fullbacks are good at defending but not great in attack, not bad e.g. Kelly, and may make better centre backs, although I digress. I think this is why Downing is being played there. Enrique was missed on Saturday for this reason. With a couple more games in him, Lucas will only sharpen up although I think he is doing well given his time out. On another side note, we really need that other wide space filled. Joe really struggled to add value and was partly involved in two of the goals. I don't get Assaidi being out but can only assume there is something I am unaware of, which is highly likely given how little I know. Even Suso? I thought he was going ok if not in his best position. Any hoo.

Andy K

16 Dec 2012 22:51:51
Hey eds,
is taraabt maybe a possibility in january or the summer?
Wirh qpr looking like theyre going to go down, surely theyd have to sell
and what about benteke? young, quick, strong. is there any chance of a move from us for him? And finally, is there any interest in us for james mccarthy of wigan. Ive been really impressed by how good hes been for wigan over the last year or so. None of these players are over 23 and they would all fit the system, any chance of any of them eds? {Ed002's Note - No idea about the summer, sorry.}

16 Dec 2012 22:27:19
To chris in tamworth,from what I have seen so far at the actual games I've been to I have just been impressed with joe Allen thought he played really well against man city & gave yaya toure a bit of a headache,think he has great technique & work ethic (I know all professionals should but it is not always the case) granted he has had a bit of a dip in form but that was always a chance of that to happen moving to a club like Liverpool at a relatively young age,I have to admit to being a critic of lucas's at the time & have subsequently admired how he stuck at it,in the face of such negativity & think young players should be supported as I don't see the benefit of shattering their self belief,I remember when beardsley signed for us it took him half a season to settle in & he was one of the best players in the country,an international & experienced pro at 28 years old he later admitted the 1.8 million then a record & expectation of being the number7 at Liverpool weighed heavy at the time & that was playing in one of our best sides ever,it also took terry mc dermott & ray Kennedy 2/3years to bed in,it is just a personal opinion & football is a subjective issue I just like him as a player,some hit the ground running some don't for some it just doesn't work out (I may be wrong about Allen time will tell) I was at the game yesterday & was disappointed as I always am when we lose (even though that is the nature of competitive sport sometimes you will lose) just think supporting the younger players through the difficult times is going to be more beneficial than lambasting them when things take a dip....apologies for the ramble & the late reply chris,been out delivering Christmas cards!! Ho Ho Ho! & all that....y.n.w.a jft 96
Paisley's genius

Thanks for the reply mate and I do know what you mean about taking time to bed in. I hope the lad goes on to become a great player but I always have this concern about buying players off the back of 1 good season.
I still think a lot depends on getting a couple of the right signings in January because despite my concerns I can't deny that with a couple of quality players chipping in with some goals our position would look a whole lot better.

Chris in Tamworth

16 Dec 2012 21:42:36
January window
In
Leon Britton 2m
Daniel Sturridge 12m
Tom Ince 6m
Out
Joe Cole 4m
Stewart Downing 6m
Sebastian Coates 3m

Stevie g player manager.

So coates is out??
6 months back....he was the star in the making?

Coates out for a loss

16 Dec 2012 21:38:44
And here is mine, I like BR, I like the direction we are heading as a club, I like FSG for what they are trying to do with us and despite the errors. I am patient and can see the positives. Yes, there is plently to work on. We are short on some key personell e.g. striker, left back, another winger/wide forward, defensive midfield cover and a midfielder who can connect up with the forward line. As to whether these come from outside or via the youth set up, only time will tell. I don't believe that Gerrard and Allen work together in the midfield. I don't believe that Cole is up to it. Despite an improved game at left back, I believe that Downing should be moved on. As long as we are with 6-8 points of fourth at the turn of the season, I believe that we are a chance for the top four in what is one of the tighest years I can remember. No matter what, Red for life.

Andy K

09 Dec 2012 22:51:57
Question for Ed052 or Ed001, what do you think of the situation with Coates in regards to the lack of game time? Copa America young player of the tournament ahead of the likes of Neymar yet isn't seeing much game time - do you think he'll stay or is it possible he'll move on? I know we have great defenders but I'd hate to see the lad leave, he's a brilliant player.

JFT 96

JP {Ed052's Note - I like him but he's not been great this year. I think he may be allowed to leave in the summer}

He is too slow

I think his lack of pace is the most telling issue, as he can't recover if he gets his positioning wrong (which happens with young centre halfs).

That may make sense, as we do seem to be looking at a couple of centre halfs for similar amounts to what we'd sell Coates for.

Papa G

And he can be clumsy

16 Dec 2012 21:20:49
I really hope we sign rossi villareal. I know injured blah blah. He cheap coz of it. N some south american forwards. Cheap. Plz no more brits. Its killing us. Just a get s foreign guy. Anybody wll b less predictible than these guyz. Take a chance we spent 100m on surethings look at us now.

Just get a foreign guy? Are you serious?

17 Dec 2012 10:45:14
There we are Brendan,just sign a foriegn guy and life will be rosey.
WelshBoyDave

16 Dec 2012 21:03:29
I've seen it mentioned a few times and I have to agree. Currently while our defense is exposed all too often, a 5-3-2 formation may work very well.

That way it'll give us more presence, with say Wisdom or Coates at the back. Agger more licence to bring the ball out from defence and Johnson/Enrique freedom to what they do best, attack!

All too often we've been easily counter attacked, leaving two centre backs exposed with fragile midfield cover. Yes Lucas is back, but it'll take some time to gain stamina and fully understand the new system. I'd still play him though, as frankly he's always looking to play the ball forward, taking a few more necessary risks than Allen, who really needs a break. I'd also still play Gerrard, as let's be honest despite anything said on here, he won't be dropped.

Suso needs more playing time, as since he's been out of the team we've suffered with some fluidity and parience in the final third. Assaidi may also benefit the team with his pace and skill, although I haven't seen a particular end product as yet, but I'm sure he has one.

My main concern right now is goals. I know defensively we've been shaky but that's confidence and naivety in my opinion, which temporarily could be fixed by 5 at the back in my view. I watched Villa play United earlier in the season and United we're dire, but given the amount of potential goals in their team, they still won. We don't have that get out clause, we really lack crucial composure in any area of the final third.

People say we create a lot of chances, but in reality how many are that clear cut? If you look at stats, we have 15, 20 even 25 shots a game, but how many are Suarez snatching at something that in all honestly wasn't really wise to take (at least (40%). Obviously we can't just go out sign Cavani and pay him 200k a week? But we can get more players in/around the box. Try a slightly more direct approach,
at times. Maybe just maybe shoot from outside of the box occasionally, if not to score then at least keep the opposing team awake.

Passing forever without probing, doesn't stretch or tire teams. If anything it wears our team out, makes us look stretched and leaves gaping holes all over the pitch fpr teams to expose. We're making things unneccesarily difficult, which is plain frustrating. When you're progressing what you need to do is take things a little steadier, build momentum and make sure you're hard to beat. I don't doubt we'll be a top team again under BR, but I just hope the naivety and ultimate skill to shoot ourselves in the foot is eradicated, as once that happens things will become a lot more simple.

Papa G

16 Dec 2012 20:54:43
Its not cos we lost most fans are complaining its the manner in which we did.guzan wasn't made to work for the whole game. we were just crossing into the box hoping for the best..we were flat from defense to attack only few players like johnson,agger,suarez who always try to take responsibility when we are down..most of the players just pass it around aimlessly and hope for the best

Last year under kenny..when we drew games at anfield we were always a liitle proud cos you see the keeper's always leaving with a man of the match performance.but this days its another story he is running out of the WE WERE BRILLIANT excuse..rodgers has come in charmed the press he hardly gets criticised when its is fault, who should we blame for this performances?Fsg,comolli,kenny! that's rubbish he keeps saying we don't have the tools then why stick with a style of play you claim you don't have the right players for,why don't you just focus on winning games rather than this negative football when most smart teams are happy to sit back and hit us on the break
Reina,agger,skrtel,johnson,suarez.lucas that was the core of the team and we agreed anybody coming in would improve us..hate kenny all you want he laid the foundation last year,as poor as they claim we were we created loads of chances and were lacking goalscorers.how rodgers destroys all that and takes us back to worse than last year is still a mystery.

Don't say that bull about players leaving if he came in and made players like downing,hendo carroll part of his plans they would have improved since last year..but instead he comes in without giving them a chance already told them they were not needed. they are human beings like us they thrive on confidence. we don't play anything close to barcelona style of football.we are playing worse than last year.he has only slowed down our tempo and made our defending worse
Don't let rodgers fool you,any good manager with that squad of last year and the 30m he wasted we would be at least fourth right now..and if he can say our squad wasn't good then he should explain what borini and allen,assaidi who he doesn't play and sahin have added to the team since they came in??

Oopa Gangnam Style

16 Dec 2012 20:52:18
Jees eds i seriously dont know how you put up with people on here these days....when we win all of a sudden were gonna win the league and when we lose all of a sudden we should sack rogers.
I for one think rogers is doing a good job and if we get a real good finisher in then we will win a lot more games.
Also i see fans say sterling isnt even that good if he wants to go let him,are people forgetting this kid is only 18 years old,they say he has no end product and so on,in the next few years he will bulk up a bit and become a great player i believe.
Also people riting off borini already saying he is a flop,i read somewhere he has only started 4 league games and suddenly he is a flop,i hope he proves these doubters wrong!
Anyways the only thing i would like to see is suso giving a lot more oppurtunities especially ahead of joe cole and i also think allen needs a rest and henderson should be giving a run of games!
Sorry for the rant eds!Great site,keep up the good work,cheers

Quinner

By the time he starts...we will be in the rlelagation battle...wont make any difference...

Or we could be in a top 4 battle!

In the real world, most new employees are put on 3 months probation.
So judging the performances of MANY in the current team, most would in fact 'get the sack'.
But maybe our inexperienced manager does not realise this.
In fact based on this provision, MR Rodgers, should 'be first out the door'.

Int he real worls you don;t invest as much in a manager as you do in football, and you don;t have to pay out as much in compensation either. Havenlt Chelsea spent £90 million hiring and firing under Abramovich. It is not sustainable for most clubs.

If we don't give one manager a chance then we will be at this standstill forever, each manager brings their own style and players so each year it will take time to adapt.

We've seen the football playing style improve, we no doubt need new players, we have no choice but to be patient and stick with it.

16 Dec 2012 20:42:32
I'm just watching the Barca vs Ath. Mad match to see if we are getting closer to this barca style... Main difference's I noticed are that barca whatever they do they do it together, therefore when they attack 5/6 players bomb forward at the same time passing around to open gaps. Now compared to liverpool you can see that we do not do thatwe chose to pass to the wingers let them run for it and when they hit a dead end they pass it back, we create no gaps for a great through ball for a forward to run on ti.

2nd thing i have noticed is that when a player for Barca has the ball 1/2 players run closer to that player so they can receive the ball and that is repeated until barca are outside the box and either slip a through ball in or they hit a high ball in to the wingers so that midfielders and other forwards can get into goalscoring position.
Now what I've seen of liverpool so far (in only 6 months note) players tend to think gerrard/suarez has got the ability to get it anywhere around the pitch so they are not going to move to make it easier, this is one of the weak points in our team and it makes it hard to defend and attack.

However as I said it's only been 6 months and we are moving closer so a couple of good creative players and a solid finisher and we could do well this season let's forget about yesterday but learn from it.

KingMiz

Edit:

Plus I've noticed that Barcelona put that leather thing in the net more often than their opponents which is another difference to us.

They also pressing very very high and all of them...closing players down straight after they loose ball....If no Borini,midfield tent to pull back and invite pressure...you cannot control game like this.On the other hand I am not suprised nobody really chasing ball, if I see no intention to help I would not be bothered neither.sorry for my spelling English not my first language....YNWA
RITMICAK

16 Dec 2012 20:42:18
Eds are Liverpool looking at a defender called granqvist from Sweden {Ed002's Note - Try the search function please.}

16 Dec 2012 20:26:15
Ozone {Ed002's Note - Dalgish purchased Downing, Henderson, Enrique, Suarez, Carroll, Adam and for £116M - the arguement is he could have done better with that money when purchasing: two forwards, a winger, a left sided wing back, a young centre back and two midfield players. Would you have blown the £116M on those seven?}

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In isolation we can criticise the said players but for me, collectively Kenny was getting there. Hendo, Suarez and Enrique good buys. Adam useful squad player partnering Lucas, let's face it not too bad untill Lucas got injured. I think Kenny could have improved Downing this season, Rodgrs has destroyed him. Carroll, agreed disaster and cost Kenny his job. We were missing another quality striker and combative midfielder such as Dembele / Wanyame (the lad at Celtic) and we would have been in the top four mix under Kenny.

Ozone

Downing was supposed to be the finished article he is in his peak years and contributed almost nothing last year.

Strangley I differ in opinion on Carrol, I felt that he was starting to show promise toward the end of the season and felt that he started FA cup final we may have won it.

Enrique is debateable as he only seems good as a left winger, Kenny was playing him at LB and he was terrible there for 4 months.

I did want Kenny to get another year, because like you I did feel that we weren't too far away from being a good team. But you have to admit, Kenny did not spend the 100m available to him wisely.

Kenny has earned a lot of (deserved) respect at our club and in our city, but when he was let go, the fans should have let go too. He's not in charge anymore and this is not Dalglish FC, it's Liverpool.

Nevada

Yes and we would not have to listen to Rodgers

I much prefer the banter of Kenny

So a simple solution is to get the time machine out and go back 18 months then all this whining about Kenny's transfers becomes relevant.

If that is so, Brendan Rodgers has brought in around 4-5 players...

Has any of them made any impact?

He plays Hendo and Downing instead of Sahin and Assaidi

So what makes you think that the ones he will bring in will make any mark?

Just to reiterate, I dont want BR out but I am no longer prepared to buy the notion that Kenny made bad signings and BR has rectified that....BR and the british media will sell that to you and you can buy....Its democracy after all

LiverBird

Kenny screwed us over with the money he spent. Whatever way you look at it.

Mighty reds

Dalglish did the same mistake and now its done by rodger, dalglish got rid of aquaman 4 ch adam, and i just tell u and can tell u, just watching adam kicking a ball forget playin, he is no wer near at aquaman class, and rodger is doin the samefing from this 1, and he got us allen, wat a flop, he was givin 30 million weter sell or not aqua and carrol, and spend it on flop, we just need it a world class finisher, and the option were, jovetic, david villa, defoe, lewandownski, hulk, and etc, look bayern munich spenf around 30 millions, and they spent it 27 in one player wot they were lack of a left back, they came 4 baines he refuse to go to germany boring league, then they went 4 javi martinez and becouse of that spot on they r thrashin in their league, in champions league, 1 example, bayern draw yesterday after a run of wins and they draw playin home, wy becouse javi martines was injured, so if we get 30 in budget buy one the 1 we need.

Assaidi is not a purchase dear...he was bought of 2 mill??
u call that a transfer dealings???

The problem with BR is he speaks before he thinks, when he first come in he publicly said half the team wasn't good enough named some of them .He shouldn't have made that public, some of the players are still there so what did that do for their confidence and self esteem ?. Carroll Downing and Henderson in fact most if not all of Kenny's signings were targeted . Let us remember Carroll is still a Liverpool player and there's a big possibility he may come back whether BR likes it or not, and would Carroll play under BR after the stick he has taken from him. there could be egg on a lot of peoples faces if he did return. Downing and Henderson are slowly getting their confidence back and would be good squad players. The squad by BR's own admission is very thin, he's not using Morgan Assaidi or Susso so if he gets rid of 2 players in January he will need to buy 4 players to make up the short fall. If he thinks he can buy 4 players to fit into his system straight away in January he is completely deluded and we will fall further down the table. I'm all for giving BR time, but it seems to me that it's not only the players that are on a learning curve but BR also, he keeps saying the team is not the finished article but I don't think the manager is either ,

Bobbinred

No world class finisher will come to us..looking us in the tabkle...
no CL for atleast another 3 years...
unless you pay them high wages...
which we wont...

16 Dec 2012 20:23:36
my pet peeve with brendan rodgers...........

his continual favouritism of joe allen.despite playing poorly he seems to be undroppable.and hendowho is rapidlyimproving never gets a lookin

a manager should pick his team based on form and fitness alone...not because his ego is too proud to drop allen, not due to favouritism and not due to reputation(in gerrards case especially)

this favourtism cannot be condusive to a healthy team spirit

tom1975

oh and next time we win two on the bounce he oughtn t get carried away in the media....complacency

My personal pet peeve would be the insistence (or attempt) to play a 4-3-3 when we really only have one decent forward. Sterling isn't ready yet for continual time on the pitch and we really don't have anyone else at the moment who is someone I would consider an actual dedicated forward/goal scorer that should be in our starting 11. What we do have is a wealth of center mids of varying quality, so instead personally I think we should be doing something more like a 4-2-3-1 that is generally more defensively oriented. Having Shelvey/Cole and Sterling in the front line isn't going to score us goals, that's been pretty well proven by now I would have thought.

16 Dec 2012 20:08:16
No David villa in the starting 11 for barca,wait for it wait any min now.

16 Dec 2012 20:05:14
Reina sucks, hope Arsenal buy him, the only fear is that we will go out and spend that money and more for someone like Butland, we really can't anything right anymore.

kirk

16 Dec 2012 19:51:17
Hey fellow LFC fans.

Here's an interesting thought I would love to know your views of -eds join in plz if you like- would anyone take Roy Evans back as a coach or in some role that involves coaching the kids who enter the 1st team?

Lfc Fanatic

In a heartbeat

Chris in Tamworth

Ed001 and myself had this debate a couple of months ago and we both agreed that Evans would be welcome back. I think ED001 even referred to him as a 'world class coach'.

Best football I've ever seen us play was under Evans (Bit too young to remember the glory days), I would welcome him back in a heart beat.

Nevada

I'd have Roy Evans back in a flash, TOP MAN, TOP COACH. In my opinion he could be just the man to help Rodgers get to grips with the Anfield Reins

KoPeNdFaN

Do you think it would be a bit like the Kenny scenario? Out of the job too long? I loved Roy Evans but i would have my doubts about bringing him back and then him getting a torent of abuse if it went wrong, like Kenny!

The Irish Rover

16 Dec 2012 20:51:47
Thanks for the replies. Here's to 3 pts Saturday.

Happy holidays..

Lfc Fanatic

The only place Kenny got abuse was on here

99% of LFC fans love the King and rightly so!

Its not Kenny's fault the rug was ppulled out from under him

If Bren can't pick his own coaches then why are we letting him pick the team.

No

But I wont mind having Kenny back :)

LiverBird {Ed001's Note - you clearly know nothing about Evans if you would have Kenny back and not him. He was a huge part of why we were so good in Kenny's first spell. Roy should be back in a coaching role, there are very few people who have improved players the way he did. We used to be able to buy players and just stick them in the reserves for him to turn into stars, then slot them straight into the first team. Dalglish should have brought him back, that was his main mistake, yes even bigger than the spending he did. Roy Evans is the unsung hero of our successes, despite being one of the most essential parts of it.}

He was also an incredibly nice and humble bloke, and very media friendly to boot. Nothing but repsect for Roy

Nevada

16 Dec 2012 19:40:59
I find a big problem today is young people in general just think they're better than they are, for instance Sterling boomed onto the stage and now has fizzled a bit. If its true he is wanting 50k a week he needs a good clip round the ear! Someone posted on here earlier about fowler, saying he didn't care how much or how long is contract was he just wanted to play for Liverpool! A lot of youngsters just wanna play for themselves! I think the prima donnas have had such a bad influence, especially on English based players it is ruining clubs and careers. To play for Liverpool us a dream. I would give blood sweat and tears just to be along the likes of gerrard. Sadly to many mercaneries have ruined football and the way it is played.

To be honest if he doesn't want to be here sell him in all truthfulness he's never impressed with the big boys, never seen him go past anyone - overblown

If it wasn't for those meddling kids...

Nick

16 Dec 2012 19:38:01
I am an advocate of keeping possession and playing it simple, work hard, utilise the full width of the pitch and get men in the box. That can be done in a 442 or 531 system. He's obsessed with 433. K79 tried to be clever (just like Rodgers, do you take a dossier to bed with you K79?) in trying to sell this 433 with the intricacies of players inter changing positions etc., it'll carry you so far. Take Messi and infestation out of Barca and their average. Arsenal won nothing with tiki taka, all their success with 442 and character in the manager/team. Man Utd the same.
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Ozone regarding a few different posts from you.

I don't take a dossier to bed anymore, the paper cuts were becoming a problem, so I subbed it for the wife.

Regarding my views on AVB, Rodgers & Mourinho I have to say as coaches, I have a lot of respect for Rodgers & Mourinho they are prodigies of a coach/manager whom I have a lot of respect for.

I note also you keep praising Arsenal and Utd, but will not give Rodgers the same respect or time as their nasty, nasty, nasty managers...shame on you!

I am not going to say what qualifications etc I have (because the internet allows people to say... because I where my pants on the outside, clearly I am superman) nor do I think I am on a par with any top flight coach but, I am more than confident in my football coaching ability, both the practical and theory and I will leave it at that.

You go on about players inter changing position, this is not what I was trying to explain but how the formation of the team evolves depending on who has ball possession and position of the ball on the pitch. Simply put without being too complex I used a formation that changed from a 433 (in possession of the ball) to a 451 (when we lost possession of the ball), it could also move to a 3133 at times when in the middle/final third. This did not involve my right sided players switching to the left.

I would like to see your 531 (cheap I know) but it does reinforce your idea that no one should care about possession in the middle of the park, long balls all the way, nice and simple, with a big lump up top, to boot it to. 442 is a old formation and easy to dominate, football is evolving you should too.

Regarding calling me a muppet I will take that on the chin, you are not the only person I have met that talks with authority on a subject they clearly are clueless about.

K79

Yes I've seen those jobs worths who couldn't get in the school team go and get their coaching badges in my neighbourhood K79, your opinions all fall into place now son. Small wonder we have little talent coming through the youth system in this country!

Ozone

Ironic really, I was only speaking with Jim Arnold, the other year who was expressing his concerns as to the amount of jobs worths who've never played a competitive game, getting coaching badges and thinking they're an authority on he game. He went on to say that there was very little talent coming though at youth level as a consequence.

Ozone

I could name drop but why bother... by your logic getting taught how to do something is wrong, but being clueless is right? Makes a lot of sense.

K79

I've seen excellent players go on to make terrible managers (souness is an excellent example).

Not saying you're wrong Ozone because you're not entirely. It certainly does help if a manager has played the game but most managers have unspectacular careers so its not as though their experience helps much.

Being a good player does not mean being a good manager, and likewise a lack of playing career does not make a bad manager. It all depends on the individual and the application of their knowledge and ability. I do agree that it does help if a manager has played though.

Nevada

16 Dec 2012 19:37:31
Just like to say eds,

I saw some of the abuse you suffered yesterday, and seen some of the abuse posted today, you guys do an excellent job and i hope you can understand there are many of us who truly appreciate the time and effort that you put into this site.

In particular it seems to be ed002's shift when posters get nasty.

Ed's, We salute you.

Nevada {Ed002's Note - Thank you Nevada.}

17 Dec 2012 18:16:27
Ed's I cannot believe that people come on here just to abuse yourselves. I never read all of yesterdays posts but I have noticed petty comments creeping in lately. This site is the first site I check whenever I come online and I appreciate the time and efforts which you all put in. There are also some very insightful views placed on these pages by posters and of course Macca. Keep up the good work and ignore the persons.
Scouse_Pride {Ed002's Note - Thanks, we'll try and fend them off.}

16 Dec 2012 19:34:55
Hey ed have I missed something about Kelly is he leaving ? My contacts have no news

Regards

Clee Red {Ed002's Note - No - it is no more than certain folks reaction to nothing of note.}

16 Dec 2012 19:13:12
So far BR has signed Allen who has been pretty poor, Borrini who was pretty poor, he was after Sigurdsson, who is playing pretty poor and the same with dempsey, so its quite obvious that who ever we sign in January is going to be pretty poor!

P.P

Daniel Sturridge...the man to save liverpool FC....

Be fair, Borini was playing with a broken foot, we should be applauding the guy for doing that.

Nearly everyone on these pages bar a couple (myself included) thought Dempsey was going to be Fowler mkII, and the decision fo the owners to not sign him looks like a good one.

He did also sign Sahin (who was player of the year in Germany in an excellent Dortmund team filled with great players), its not BR fault that these players have had their form interrupted by injury and playing out of position.

Nevada

This is the thing. No footballer comes with a 60 day money back guarantee. Although i would have to say that Liverpool make more than their fair share of stinkers.

The Irish Rover

16 Dec 2012 19:06:48
To the Brendan out brigade:

If Brendan left tomorrow who would you realistically replace him with?
Key word being realistically.

MIKEY

Dude...look at the table..and our ratio...which world class manager will step into the room..with the player we have got??????

16 Dec 2012 19:55:33
Biesla

16 Dec 2012 20:06:23
Mikey mate don't get me wrong I have got nothing against Rodgers but if we wanted young manager who is unproven like Rodgers and wasted so much money getting him then Borini was a good choice and we wouldn't need to waste money buying Rodgers contract

Can only think of 2 realistic options:

Roberto Martinez
Roberto Di Matteo

Shame we let Steve Clarke go really.

Didn't think anyone would come up with anything worthwhile.
That was my point, Rodgers is doing fine all things considered.

MIKEY

16 Dec 2012 19:01:59
One thing that seems to be more apparent as the days go by on this site is that, somewhere in the past there was a point when a lot of fans, became such ungracious people.

It's sad because I grew up believing that Liverpool fans were the most knowledgable and respectful fans in the world. Now we cant even extend basic manners and respect to other supporters of our club or the owners who have saved us from doing a Rangers before Rangers did. As for graciousness, there are few (which post on here anyway) who are gracious in defeat. Nobody is saying enjoy losing (you'd have to be a person to enjoy it) but do we really have to act so petulently and badly about it?

I hope one day we can return to being respectful and gracious, and have even the simplest and most basic of manners, I don't expect it to be soon though.

Nevada

By us having manners what does it achieve. Certainly not a top four finish. we are now a mid table team and if The players shown some desire and heart instead of manners it would be different. We as a club are a shambles and the scouting network an embarrassment. Leolion

Hi eds and all,nevada i read your post and basically your saying we as fans should be showing are graciousness to the owners for saving us from ending up like rangers,this would of never happened to are club no matter what crap you read in the media r elsewhere,i would imagine there being plenty of takers for our club out there,fsg have bought us but its not for the love of lfc they can see the money thats to be made out of club name and all else that goes with great club,and do you not think the fans have every right to moan criticize and be unhappy with things they way they are they way they have been for a long time,at the end of the day the people who are moaning are the ones who are going out spending there money lining these owners pockets.td

Being upset is one thing Leolion but there is never an excuse for bad manners and abuse in my opinion. We are all human beings after all and should treat each other with respect.

Thats just my view on life, I try to be respectful. It does not mean that I care less, it just means that I can be dignified.

I think we can all agree basic manners are something everyone should exercise.

Nevada

The best reply and post...
common lets accpet and move on..we are in midable from past 3 years...we cant give excuse of rebuilding, wages allocation etc...
and common being a fan of mid table club is not an embarassment...
i love liverpool if its in relegation zone...
and i dont have a wild dream of us challenging for the title...
new castle and sunderland have almost 40000 capacity filled stadium with fans...
have you ever heard them challenging for the title..??

I wouldnt be laying the blame just at feet of the supporters if im being honest. We are led to believe that football now is big business solely for making a profit, which Fsg will do eventually. Results are now the only thing that counts and managers and players are only employees of the club. I suppose fans (especially young ones) are buying into that, and if you cant succeed? Get out and let someone else try, but it certainly wasnt the fans that led us on that path. Te romance is being squeezed out of historic clubs like Liverpool. Only look forward, never look back! Sad really. The cost of selling your soul i guess.

The Irish Rover

Td:

I just meant in general, we have become a group of ill tempered and ungracious fans. We moan about everything, and blame everyone. Even the poor eds of this site who have to suffer anytime Liverpool dare to lose.

Why cant we express our opinions without resorting to childish name calling? Without losing tempers and laying the blame on our owners just be cause they dont happen to be rich arabs?

Worst of all we don't just have bad manners towards opposition and eds but even fans of the same club! I have been raised to believe that all people, cultures, genders and races should be treated with respect. Liverpool fans used to do this. I'd just like a return to that.

Nevada

It's easy to be gracious and knowledgable when you're winning.

Football fans are a reflection of society and human evolution started going backwards somewhere around 1990.

M. Aurelius

Whats the proce of a Soul?

the dark Lard

I agree that posters should be more respectful to each otherand Ed002. I guess some dont know how to channel their opinions properly without getting abusive. Maybe Ed002 should get the odd thing wrong to stop them feeling so inferior. ;-)

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Cavani will be arriving in January.}

Didn't we show good manners by applauding for Stilian Petrov?

16 Dec 2012 18:58:07
We all knew this season wasn't going to be anything special,brendan's got to sort his own team out first,theres going to me more ups and downs to come,we have to admit that,but i for one believe in what he is trying to do..theres no manager in the world that could turn us round in one season.head down,hard work,see were we end up,then build on that..

Dude..get a grip..its been 3 long years of rebuilding...
can you write and give me the exact time required...
dont see us relacing, UTD, chelsea, city and arsenal in near 10 years...

DUDE..3 long years of rebuilding..not for mr rogers,kenny steadied the ship with some very poor buys,Woy was brought in to do nothing,more poor buys,get a grip yourself..and get ta bed

This rebuild has not been three years, it has been about 6 months. Every time you change a manager, you effectively start again. Let give the manager at the very least, a whole season, if not a few, and see where he takes us. Changing managers all the time does not work in our situation.

Andy K

16 Dec 2012 18:57:07
I think the main problem is our defence! It's obvious that we need a striker or 2, but there's no point in scoring if we're going to concede the way we have been, Johnson should be more attacking position and get someone for right back just till Kelly comes back (really can't wait). And downing left back is just a no, even Enrique can't tackle well. At this moment we should be playing 3 at the back with Johnson and Enrique as wing backs. Also IMO we should give sterling his 50k a week just so we don't lose him on a free at least if he wants to go we can get a lot more for him.

16 Dec 2012 18:57:02
BR didnt say we will finish 2nd he said a club like liverpool shouldnt be looking at 4th as an incredible achievement it should be looking beyond that like finishing above man city

Do u lot not agree that a club like Liverpool should be aiming that high?

Stop bashing the manager for absolutely everything especially out of context quotes taken from media outlets who despise liverpool football club

I hope BR proves u all wrong especially the dalglish fan boys

100 million finished 8th 100 million should more or less guarentee a top 4 he flopped hard and BR is trying to rectify it suck it up fan boys

Someone said all we needed was a striker with Dalglish' team, LOOO yeah coz spearing henderson downing carroll would pf got top 4 or won the league with 1 more striker give it a rest seriously we were poor, poor, poor and have been for the last 4 years

Unless we get rich arab billionaire owners its going to take time to claw back to the top and the 17/18/19 year olds need time to develop into top players

Dalsglish and other managers also had kuyt, maci, bellamy, torres, meireles etc and still finished 8th!!

Get a grip

Shak Attack

Shame spearing was so crap, if half the players had the hunger he did I'd be a lot happier. Some players really don't look arsed

Dalglish spent the same as Rodgers has net £30 mill. Change the record about the £100 mill.

Ozone {Ed002's Note - Dalgish purchased Downing, Henderson, Enrique, Suarez, Carroll, Adam and for £116M - the arguement is he could have done better with that money when purchasing: two forwards, a winger, a left sided wing back, a young centre back and two midfield players. Would you have blown the £116M on those seven?}

Shak sure let br keep buying young lads and ex swansea players and sure when we finish 8th this season he can blame them cause the chap aint got a clue what he is at with his tika taka no productiveness football.

Dont understand y we against money...
money dont buys success..
monst dont buy history..
history is created day by day..month by month and year by year..
if city wins 7 out of next 10 EPL titles in coming year...
can they call them self a successful club with history???

and the worst...we have spend over 100 mill money...and we have reached 10th...

cant criticize city or chelsea...

I am pretty sure and confident that Kenny Dalglish bought well and would have done even better had he been afforded more time....

Just look at how Allen is being slated at the moment...I have no doubt he is a good player....It was the same with Adam last year....He had a great start to the season but was overplayed and hence fizzled out after January...

One thing which people seem to ignore totally is that all the players brought in by Kenny were the mainstays in their team...So when they came in they had to adjust a lot especially the play not moving through them plus moving to a new team, new city....We ignore these factors but they do count for a lot...

For example,

Carroll was more used to using his head from diagonals and long balls but had the ball delivered at his feet most of the time

Adam was the quarter back-esque figure at Blackpool with hours of time with the ball, aluxury not afforded to him at Liverpool....

Henderson was used to playing the Lampard role at Chelsea as a box-to-box midfielder but was played at right of the midfield for most of the season...

Downing is not a bad player but couldnt make the transition mentally..And I am not defending him my friends...

Enrique..We needed a good left back and we got one....His form tailed off because he, like Adam, was overplayed in the first part of the season....

Bellamy....In hiring him, Kenny proved why he is so good...brilliant signing...sad he left this season....

I wont say he couldnt have done better but I would reiterate that Brendan Rodgers has not done as well as he is claiming to have done...

LiverBird

Correct me if I'm wrong but Bren said it would be fantastic to finish higher than 8th this season.

I'm beginning to agree with him.

16 Dec 2012 18:54:12
ok,the asian star coming in will be min son of hamburg.

ince is nearly a done deal.

yilmaz is just a smokescreen, not yet sure who for.

david villa has been monitored but it is unlikely that he will join; his age, he doesnt want to leave spain and he is overpriced.

expect rodgers to bring in sturridge or walcott but sturridge is definately more likely.

a young cb MAY come in, possibly de vrij.

that is all
i am the source

JH22.

There is no smokescreen, you can't spell definitely and you are not, nor do you have, a source

Chris in Tamworth

Source of what? Smokescreens?

MIKEY

16 Dec 2012 18:46:49
time for some positivity,city were able to reduce a 8 point deficit to win the league last year,we can do the same to attain 4th.
truered2

Lol they also had/have extremely good players. But nice to see positivity

Yes, remind me, how many teams did they have to overhaul compared to the 8 we have to topple?

16 Dec 2012 18:32:24
We may need more then 1 player but it doesn't make sence.... In the summer 30m spent on Allan an borini? = Cavani

January 20m to spend an we're gunna buy ince an sturridge? = jovetic or isco maybe both if we sell downing an cole

3 players who would make us title contenders... Instead weve got Allan borini ince an sturridge

An don't even get me started on the 100m spent the window befor... {Ed002's Note - Cavani would have cost a lot more than £30M and there was a zero chance of a move to Liverpool.}

I get yur point tho if not Cavani then a top striker

Ok Ed, I agree cavani probably would have cost more..but essentially the point he made of buying real quality with whatever money you have is a far better option than throw away in bit & parts in average players is absolutely spot on..rest you could fill in from the academy or buy players like assaidi for cheap ..
what we desparately need is top top players like a suarez rather than average current players with the potential to be decent(not worldclass)with huge transfer fees..
and please dont say players do not want to come here..best league,top money,best fans ,legendary club..there are hundreds of players who dream of playing for a club of this stature..the truth is our recruitment and decision making has been awful since Rafa left ..

Nailed it mate, everyone can see it except if your Liverpool manager, scouts or owners, we are where we are because of inept transfer dealings.

DJ

Ed every ITK on this site says he is joining though ed? {Ed002's Note - Nailed on.}

16 Dec 2012 18:20:30
been a red for about 40yrs, and one thing i'm sure we've all learned being pool supporters, is that actions speak louder than words. BR is either being very naive or else he's just so full of himself, that he thinks telling the press we can finish 2nd can get him the headlines. I'm fully behind what the man is trying to achieve at Anfield, but I'd prefer it if he did it in the Paisley fashion , rather than murinho's way, ie keep your gob shut and let our results do the talking. Rafa made the same mistake when we were in a great position and now BR is at it too. Dont give the press any more amunition Brendan. Lawrenson reckons you're a bit like david brent from the office , dont prove that tool correct !

You are a lucky man...coz..you have seen Liverpool lifting the EPL....
i am just 25..and havent seen them lifting the title..
tell me how the current generation be a liverpool fan?...only looking back at our history?
we are better than stoke, everton, sunderland, and new castle..
but not suerly better than current chelsea, arsenal, city and UTD...

The Liverpool mantra coined by Shankly was the idea of everyone working together to achieve the same goal and everyone sharing in the success. From the tea lady to the star striker.

As fans we have suffered over the last 2 decades and lost our way. We don't do our bit anymore, we just shovel our money into the owners pockets and expect.

Football is too obsessed with money now, as an older fan it is almost unrecognisable from 3-4 decades ago.
Sky ruined it.

16 Dec 2012 18:20:23
Hello EDS
If we do sign ince, what will he bring sterling doesnt, even assiadi in under the impression that we need a more experienced winger, such as a Pablo Hernandez not a Tom ince.

Scouse Ben {Ed002's Note - Pablo will not be moving to Liverpool in January.}

16 Dec 2012 18:13:21
I know everyone just hates Downing but IMO shouldn't we just strengthen our squad in Jan before selling our players. I know he is on high wages and doesn't deserve to start in the PL games but he has done well in the Europa league. With Enrique's fitness concerns he provides a good backup.
At LB position we only have Enrique and for some unknown reason Jack Robinson is not trusted so why not just keep him till the summer.
Then in Jan we can spend all d cash available on buying wing forwards and strikers instead of going into d market for a backup LB.

16 Dec 2012 18:05:56
Shelvey may have lots of potential but he has to change his attitude that is he is not passionate (unlike Sterling n suso), plays only when he has the ball at his feet and some people state him as next SteveG now come on SteveG was an engine and i know Shelvey is AM but still ...Just being bald doesn't makes one ZIDANE!
REDistani.

So, whats your point?

Are you saying he's not passionate? Think ur watching the wrong player bud, he's just calmed down due to that ridiculous sending off against utd

I think Shelvey is a decent possibly even good player, but I don't personally ever see him being world class in the way Gerrard once was if I'm being honest.

RDL

Im a pool fan of 30 plus years, and once it was easy to say, as many other team fans agreed, that we have the best support. Not now! As a reader of these pages daily it pains me to say that a large percentage are just pathetic.
Im not one to visit other fan pages, (again like many do) but i bet you dont read on the rubbishe pages that Cleverly is crap and not to be compared to scholes

16 Dec 2012 18:02:21
IMO we should go all out for Honda in January, along with an out and out striker. Stick Suarez on the wing, give him freedom to wander about a bit. He will still score goals. We would be a much bigger threat in the final third. Just my opinion.

Nick

16 Dec 2012 17:47:24
Why do so many on here keep blasting BR. I know he is responsible for how the team performs but is it his fault that we can only score 1 goal in 26 attempts, have to play under 18 players....

It's not his fault he was left with no money in the summer other than from sales and wage savings.

FSG are clearly to blame for us becoming a mid table side.

They screwed him over on the Carroll deal and clearly never intended to give money to him.

We will see what happens in January but my bet is nothing unless we sell current squad members.

More chance of us losing our best players than bringing any in. Suarez, Reina, Sterling will not want to stay at a club that clearly cannot compete anymore

They are a waste of space and those who continue to support them for doing nothing for our club and continually blame BR need to see the bigger picture.

You're going to say that the people who rescued us from administration, then allowed over 100m to be spent on player transfers, then provided a further 30m to be spent on player transfers, ALL while covering losses for the last 2 years with their own money?

Perhaps it's just me, but I think the owners deserve applause not criticism.

Nevada

What about the 30 million BR spent during thw window?

I am sorry but they didn't screw him over with the carroll deal. From the second BR walked in he wanted carroll gone and it was a massive mistake to make it so public. Even if we had got dempsey he would not have made any difference. Look at how he is playing for spurs, he can't get in the team

Sorry but FSG have not put any of there own money into the club. Do the maths on players in and out, wages reduced year on year, money received from TV rights, new sponsorship deals. {Ed002's Note - Rubbish. Look at the accounts.}

ED002, Where ever that close to administration? Cheers

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - It would not have come to that.}

For F's sake! What is with people that think the owner's have spent nothing? They've spent plenty! No interest loans to the club to cover losses don't count then?

Have they made mistakes? Certainly they have- primarily appointing Comolli and keeping Ayre in his current position spring to mind. But when it comes to specific player transfers and the spending of X pounds on whoever, that is not directly their fault in any way, shape, or form. They have been more than supportive.

Liverpool FC is something like the 6th most valuable club in the world and I think 8th largest in terms of revenue (from memory so I may be off a spot or two). The reality is we should not be languishing below mid-table in our own league, thus Werner's comments about us 'having the resources to compete with any club in the world'. He is correct- we have the resources to be successful and it's up to the management team to make that happen. Unfortunately thus far it hasn't.

Point being, if you want to be angry at the owners, fair enough, but it should be for things they're actually screwing up, not some BS about them not spending enough money.

RDL

Another myth busted then?

The Irish Rover

OK then, I will correct myself. The owners may not have saved us from administration, they did save us from bad ownership though. Was there a rich arab on the horizon to buy the club from H&G? No. How do I know? they didn't buy us.

We've ended up with owners who want to run us reposonsibly and DO put money in every year to cover losses that the club currently makes. Don't believe me? as ed002 says, check the accounts.

Nevada

The manager takes responsibility for results.

It's in his contract lads.
Grow up and get in the real world. Rodgers knows the score, bad results = criticism.

16 Dec 2012 17:42:28
No matter what I'm going to support Rodgers even if we are religated. He is our Shankly we need to support him he is one of the best manager in the world just see how we play I don't care about results I'm just happy the way we play. IN RODGERS WE TRUST

Juries still out. His lack of using all substitutions when its the last thow of the dice still mystifies me. Mind you Rafa used to make some weird ones to. What do I know.
GoNadz

What has rodgers possibly done to make him one of the best managers in the world. He would be lucky to be managing the reserve team at a club like liverpool. He is nowhere near our level. we appointed BR off one good season, what is the difference between him and owen coyle after his first season with bolton, then in the long term he got them relegated

The good news is your undying, blind support will serve your pocketbook well...tickets should be much cheaper when LFC wind up in the Championship.

Then you are the utter definition of deluded.

Brendan will hold up three fingers, then clap his hands twice and we will win the league.....

Our level, you are joking aren't you, we are where we are because that is how good we are

You obviously have NO idea about Shankly if you're comparing Bren to him.
Show some respect!

16 Dec 2012 17:39:20
please post, not so much a rumour but an observation.
we are being linked with so many players, and only the club know who we want.
but being realistic if any of you out there was a professional footballer would you want to play for liverpool?
passing is all fine and nice, but we need a plan b
andy carroll the lad has not had a fair crack of the whip, now west ham looking to dodge buying him.
have the club not learnt anything from aqua man and all his loans?
we just get ripped off everytime, if we had a decent summer transfer then we would not be in this mess.
rant over.

Players have 2 motives:

1) Money
2) Trophies.

In that order.

Your wrong there.
Players have 2 motives
1/ money
2/ More money

16 Dec 2012 17:37:49
Our wage bills were extremely high to players who are rubbish. j.Cole 90K, dowing 80k. This has now left us in problems with the younger players. Sterling and kelly refusing to sign due to wages being offered to them.
We will definitely lose some of these players as they will not accept being paid less than cole and downing. The best solution is to get rid of these over rated and over paid players soonest.
The signing of new players especially on loan and no transfer fee as was the case with j.Cole was a big mistake. Players than start to compare their wages with these signings and realise that they are being taken for a ride.
I personally think we should consider having a written policy on signings and that there should be a panel to agree on who to sign and the complete contract details being offered.
We have seen that short term planning has resulted in a disaster. Last window period we let lots of players go and were left with few quality players to challenge for a top half finish. Jan window we will have to sign quickly and try and get results in our favour to climb the table. Its clear we have lost lots of ground and the waiting game carries on. FSG's last day drama's are not needed again.
We need quality signings.

16 Dec 2012 17:29:49
Hi eds and fellow posters.
I believe Allen is a luxury player in that he looks good on the ball and does a good job but contributes far too little to attacking and defending to be carried in this team right now. I'd much prefer sahin who has a goal threat or Henderson who will run tackle. Just my thoughts right now.
Thanks,
Puzzles Red

Joe Allen is class let's support him
Paisley's genius

To be honest i didn't expect much from henderson this year, but must admit he's winning me over and credit is certainly due after his performances so far.

Paisley's, I enjoy reading most of what you have to say but I'm unsure why you rate Allen so highly? I'm not saying I don't like or rate the lad but he hasn't done a lot to impress especially in the games where he has played further forward (supposedly his best position).
I'm afraid I would stick with my thinking that you shouldn't buy a player or appoint a manager based on 1 season. They rarely work out

Chris in Tamworth

Allen has been poor so far,he doesnt have the guile to be an attacking midfielder, nor the strength to be a holding midfielder. he looks like a passengerto me......he needs to be dropped,but will brendan drop olden boy?for an informhendersoni dont think so.. i think its disusting hendo could score 5 goals i one game and allen would start beforehim

amanager should pick players based on fitness and form not favuritism ego and reputation

What's a luxury player?

If a player is not contributing to the team then he is a disgrace to the shirt.
Shankly once said if he had a gun he'd shoot them (players not contributing)

16 Dec 2012 17:20:41
We need to sell Reina (or drop him). He's nothing but a liability now. The only reason he is still in the team is because he is absolutely quality at playing it out from the back.

Every time the opposition gets a chance I feel as if they will score.

Rene Adler would be a great replacement. Thoughts? Should he keep his place/who would you go for as a replacement?

I've been a detractor of reinas for the last 2 years. His habit of allowing near post shots in is not what I expect of a world class keeper (did it again from 25 yards on saturday, was a good shot but keepers should not be beat from 25 yards at the near post).

I'd be happy to see a replacement come in.

Nevada

Ter Stegen of Gladbach would be my choice.

MikeyRed92

I was told early last month by a friend that Zieler (spelling?) was a target, he seems like a decent goalie. Good relfexes and quick to come out. Needs work on crosses but then I can't remember the last time I thought a goalie was good at catching crosses, probably way back in early 90's

Nevada

I was really hoping we would have went for Lloris in the summer and let Reina move on. Oh well.

As someone else said, Reina is probably one of the best distributors in the game, but his shot stopping is really, really poor.

Said thistwo years ago and id have begovic

16 Dec 2012 17:12:41
hi eds great site, i would just like to ask what players would you like to see come in and what postions you think need attention apart from additional fire power. also have you heard any inside infomation as such.
thanks will {Ed002's Note - Man, you need to read through the posts.}

16 Dec 2012 17:12:24
Villa 4 chances 3 goals that's football sometimes you dominate possession but get picked off we did it often under houllier,still believe that Brendan & the team are going in the right direction & let's not beat up on the young players too much,great standing applause on 19 mins great solidarity....
Paisley's genius

Piss poor defending Paisley by our senior players !! Beardsley's Boot's

Why was the applause on 19th minute, I did not understand that

For stylian petrov i think
huddz red

For Stiliyan Petrov, who was forced to stop playing due to leukaemia. He wore the number 19 for Aston Villa.

B101

Applauding Petrov (wears no 19), undergoing treatment for leukaemia. Villa's club captain and all round nice guy apparently.

Nick

Spot on Paisley... Too many clueless individuals posting on here... Good to see a balance of rational views coming through too!

16 Dec 2012 17:12:20
eds reds yesterday another example of , we dont convert our chances , opposistion do!!! we need a proven goalscorer. i gave my opinion about who we should sign in the summer, players like honda, deigo for midfield, players who are proven , who dont need time etcetc. of all the players ive seen mentioned, huntellar and cardoza are nearest to what we need. ed02 has told us repeatedly jeffren is of strong interest . also on the sunday supplement show this morning, the sports jurnos on there didnt think we have a chance of getting walcott, sturridge would be a gamble, but demba ba or someone like him is what we need. my own opinion now is to sign a main striker have suarez ply behind him. i liked sahin playing further forward ie vs wba (c cup) norwich, linking with suarez, jeffren, ( if signed) to the right of suarez and lcas and garrard behind. my own preference would be hpnda but we dont seem to be linked. we would have a vary strong and mature team and that would leave lots of younger talent , like borini , henderson , stirling , suso , shelvey , kelly , coates. i would be far more confident with things like that than at the moment . whoever we sign i shall support them through thick and thin , as i have for over forty years, godbless 96 come on redmen!!!!!!!! steviep62.

Agreed,we don't convert our chances,this is nothing new and we all know the solution.What worried me most yesterday was the abject defending.Backing off on the edge of the box,no tracking back and a basic unwillingness to get stuck in.I think BR hype's the players up to much when they get a result then next game they become complacent and show a lack of desire.Worrying !! Beardsley's Boots

16 Dec 2012 17:10:22
Its not cos we lost most fans are complaining its the manner in which we did.guzan wasn't made to work for the whole game. we were just crossing into the box hoping for the best..we were flat from defense to attack only few players like johnson,agger,suarez who always try to take responsibility when we are down..most of the players just pass it around aimlessly and hope for the best

Last year under kenny..when we drew games at anfield we were always a liitle proud cos you see the keeper's always leaving with a man of the match performance.but this days its another story he is running out of the WE WERE BRILLIANT excuse..rodgers has come in charmed the press he hardly gets criticised when its is fault, who should we blame for this performances?Fsg,comolli,kenny!! that's rubbish he keeps saying we don't have the tools then why stick with a style of play you claim you don't have the right players for,why don't you just focus on winning games rather than this negative football when most smart teams are happy to sit back and hit us on the break
Reina,agger,skrtel,johnson,suarez.lucas that was the core of the team and we agreed anybody coming in would improve us..hate kenny all you want he laid the foundation last year,as poor as they claim we were we created loads of chances and were lacking goalscorers.how rodgers destroys all that and takes us back to worse than last year is still a mystery.

Don't say that bull about players leaving if he came in and made players like downing,hendo, part of his plans they would have improved since last year..but instead he comes in without giving them a chance already told them they were not needed..they are human beings like us they thrive on confidence.we don't play anything close to barcelona style of football.we are playing worse than last year.he has only slowed down our tempo and made our defending worse
Don't let rodgers fool you,any good manager with that squad of last year and the 30m he wasted we would be at least fourth right now..and if he can say our squad wasn't good then he should explain what borini and allen have added to the team since they came in???

16 Dec 2012 17:06:37
Gives the ball away too much at the moment.

But surely that can be sorted!

16 Dec 2012 16:43:40
Eds fellow reds , Just a question for eds and fellow reds . What is the feeling around here on BR (agree) you like where the club is at and going . (Disagree) not happy , just to get an true picture what we think

Not happy with where we are but thats not all BRs fault this is an accumilation of whats happened since Rafas last season

But i believe in BR and his vision, he's not foolish he knows what its going to take to get to the top

We need stability and BR needs time to grow the team into his own

Mourinho wouldnt be doing any better with joe cole and downing i promose u that

Shak Attack

Why bother it will be completely different after the next game.

16 Dec 2012 16:42:15
A lot of people complain that Rodgers 'tiki taka' is ineffective for us. There is some truth to this, in some games it is ineffective.

First of all, it's not 'tiki taka' its just pass and move football, same as we used to play in the 80's and 90's, the only difference is it's not as effective. KK fans lauded the team (and still do) for playing passing football when it was the same as now, and just as effective I might add. Did we destroy everybody last season and pump teams with 3 or 4 goals? No. We were still drawing at home against supposed lesser opposition. So if you supported KK you should surely support Rodgers since little has changed except the man in the dugout. If you think Rodgers tactics are bad you must also have thought Kenny's tactics were bad.

So you don't like it? perhaps you'd be more happy getting 'big' Sam in or Tony Pulis and ditching our passing football in favour of 'getting stuck in' and 'getting in their faces'

Some might say 'what about counter attacking?' I say do you not watch games? We DO counter attack, or perhaps when you watch games we just wait for the opposition to regain their formation before pushing forward when regaining the ball in our own half. We just don't base our entire game around waiting for the opposition to attack us before we will attack them.

Yes, we do meander a bit at times trying to find holes, but it takes a lot longer than half a season to generate the movement and understanding needed to pass your way through stubborn english defences. Even Barca struggle to do it against organised opposition.

It would be nice if we had won every game this season, it would be nice if rodgers and co would let their work on the pitch do the talking. But that doesn't mean we should put the boot in by withdrawing our support when the team really needs it. Not much has changed in the way of tactics or even results (yeah they are a little worse but we still struggle to score like under Dalglish and we still get draws with 'lesser' opposition) all that changed really, was the face of the man in charge.

Nevada

I dont see us reaching two finals this year do ? And I dont see us finishing in the top ten either.

Baz F

I kinda agree with where your coming from mate but i just wanted to point something out, just because KK had full backing from me doesnt mean BR should (to be honest he has my full backing, hes our manager!), but KK will always be loved and adored. hes done too much for the city and the club to be judged on his management style... Tiz YNWA =D

I also don't see us spending £100m + on ineffectual mid-table players.

The season isn't finished yet Baz.

What you expect to happen and what does are usually quite different.

Nevada

Nevada
To this time last year, Kenny's tactics were better because he had more points and we were still in the only trophy we had won in a long time. Also, surely the point of replacing Kenny and putting Brendan in charge was to improve performances and results but its not happening. You dont get honeymoon periods in football management, nor should you expect one.

The Irish Rover

I do agree with you on that point Irish Rover but name me any manager in the world that would be able to win the premiership with the current squad? None would. It's because of the wasted money by Dalglish and Comolli that we are in this position. Had they spent more wisely he would probably still have a job today.

I actually wanted to give Dalglish another year, and if he had then he would be experiencing all the same problems that Rodgers is because the problem was correcting mistakes of last year. Brendan didnt bring these problems with him, they were here when he got here.

Give him some time, a year at least.

Nevada

Performances are better but results are not.irish rover mate you cant expect a manager to come in and improve everything in 15-16 games.it takes time. it ferguson many years to get it right surely brendon deserves atleast 1 full season not 15 games.
truered2

16 Dec 2012 16:34:51
I have see loads of negative comments here from yesterday.. let me start by saying I hate when we lose a game and makes my day go really bad. Nothing worse then seeing reds on losing side. But at same time we have to come into reality and think what Brendon has taken is one hell of job. taken over most successful English club with rich history and supporters who live and die for club all over world..it was difficult job for who ever had taken over.. Last few season we have had some inflated wage bill and when I think we had players like degen, Aqualini, Jovanovic, Cole and non existing Carroll and downing, Kryaikos, Adam and Zahar and even some unknown youngsters on wages like 10k week you just think how bad could it get... We paid some stupid prices for players and let our self in financial meltdown even with new owners.. last few years and especially this year we have trying to address this situation and managed to release and loan and sell around 10-12 players which has helped with well over 1 million per week reduction in wage bill and forced us to look to youngsters like Sterling, Suso and Wisdom to bridge that gap and now I feel with Cole, Downing and Pacheco likely to make way we are in position of 1 in 1 out and jan transfer window could be interesting ..on pitch mixed results with shocking games against West Brom and Villa and some referee decision like Everton and Man u we are looking little out of depth. Am very much against changing manger season after season as it cost loads of money and instability and players feel insecure.. Lets write off one season and like Shankly said support team not only when its wining but when its loosing and let Rodgers do his work. Next season he wouldn't and shouldn't have any excuse what so ever but he deserves this season to rebuild.. Liverpool supporters are regarded as one of best and loyal and I was disappointed to see them leave seats 10 minutes before game finished. Am not rich and would love to see game at Anfied and regardless of result will cheer my club for full 90 minutes.. Our club is built on hard working supporters and their love which made Anfield a hell for visiting teams.. Regardless who ever take over us time is required to re built our team on home grown hungry players like Fowler and I can tell you with our youngsters we are not far off just integration will take little time till then enjoy and carry on supporting and I know each and everyone who comes here slating manager, team tactics or Fsg only wants Liverpool to do well and we may have difference of opinion and our dream is same...YNWA

Harry Oldbury

16 Dec 2012 16:52:26
Nevada did I read correctly did you just compare sturridge to centre forwards whove had long spells starting matches?

Can you confirm something for me...does sturridge have a better goals to game started ratio than the "worldclass" valencia?

Sturridge scored them goals in the PL, on the righ wing and mostly as a sub with only 15/20 mind to make a mark
Look at the season when he was 1st choice on the right for AVB and his Bolton days he was PROLIFIC

Also he is still only 23, he will give us 12-15 goals a season atleast from a RW position which is wht we need,

Also he isnt going to be the only player we ever sign ever again...bit of logic mate, hes the best option we have in terms of this january. Summer will bring in more competition but sturridge will bang in some goals and is a direct llayer who loves getting in the box

Theres No pleasing u lot.

Shak Attack

Walcott over Sturridge any day....

LiverBird

The statistics are there to see, I was even good enough to supply them. He started 40 games last year, not as a sub, started.

Yes you are almost right. He did play from the right but as a Right Forward, not a winger. They played with a front 3 under AVB and Sturridge was given 40 games from that position, during those games he had a total of 131 shots, of which only 50 found the target, of those only 13 found the back of the net. I never said he was terrible, I simply said that there are players out there (which we can afford and are available to us) which are better.

Ask yourself this: Do you think that a player who needs 10 chances per game in order to score 1 will solve our goal drought? I cant answer yes to that when there are players (Ba, Gomis, Paloschi,Walcott) who only require 5,5,3,4 chances before one will hit the back of the net.

I'd like to be proved wrong, it would give me great pleasure to see Sturridge bang in 25 goals a season, but I can't see it, and neither can fans of his current club.

Nevada

LiverBird is also correct Shak,

Walcott has better conversion ratio, in less minutes from the same position.

Nevada

If u follow my posts you will know that my preferred choice in january is also Walcott

Everyone will agree to that im sure even BR and his scouts will

But him wanting to join a team which has finished mid table for the last 4 years is another story considering he has man u, chelsea and man city after him

Other than that gomis and ba would push Suarez out wide whom has a better goals to games ratio than some of the best in the world

Paloschi may be a good prospect but he isnt prolific, especially this season hes only scored like 10 goals in nearly 40 games abd that in italy!

Imo if ita not walcott then it has to be sturridge and wide players who can score between 12 and 15 a season for us to help chip in and reach that 70-80 goal target which u need to compete at the top, sturridge has proved for the last 2/3 seasons he can score in the Premier league, last thing we need is a punt on player from the french/italian league

We do however need a back up striker for suarez but that is also another good reason to target players like studge and walcott, they can play in all 3 front attacking positions

Cheers

Shak Attack

My logic is very simple...

At this point of time,
1. Walcott is in the prime of his career 2. His pace will remain more or less the same for the next 3-4 years before slowing down
3. He is more of a team player when compared to Sturridge
4. His game has improved more when compared to Sturridge in the last few years
5. He has more humility than Sturridge (sorry but I had to include this)

LiverBird

I think maybe I misintepreted your post Shak, sorry about that.

I listed those players as possibilities, I never meant we had to pick just one. Paloschi I saw as someone who could be part of the squad and provide an alternative. He can play in all 3 wide positions and is prolific (18 goals in 36 games is pretty prolific and this year he has 5 in 5). It's true he plays in a weaker league but he does play for a weak team in a weak lague and banging in a goal a game for a poor side is pretty good in my opinion.

Anyway, I meant to write this as an apology for the misintepretation. Again, sorry about that.

Nevada

16 Dec 2012 16:44:05
Know there is little to no chance of it happening but Aubameyang is the missing link for me. Tall and fast, good technical ability, solid workrate, can operate anywhere across a front 3 and more importantly, knows where the goal is. Apparently St.Etienne will listen to 12m+ offers, which puts him next to Sturidge yet IMO, will offer more for less wages.
Just hope in Jan we buck our ideas up and get some goals injected into the squad.

mozzilfc

Would be a better option than Sturridge.

16 Dec 2012 16:13:31
First, I think we lack some creativity in the final third. I also know that we have been interested in the likes off Eriksen and Isco, and I see us buying this kinda player in the summer. What are your opinions, and do we have enough money to spend in the summer? Then, do you think we are gettingother players in than striker (Sturridge?) and winger (Ince?)? Personally I would love to see Tello coming.

16 Dec 2012 16:01:04
The striker will be: Mauro Zarate. reason he is still young enough to reach potential and can play either as a striker or wide forward with or without a partner. sturridge and walcott were first and second choice but they aren't going to happen. cost £8m

With Downing set to leave we will need two players to come in firstly a winger and also a left back to rival jose. these players will be: Tom Ince (Blackpool) & Didac Vila (AC Milan) - costing a combined fee of £9m

Another attacking player/playmaker who will also come in is Jeffren Suarez, as a replacement of Cole and giving competition for Sterling and Ince. reason he will come in january is that we want to see first hand what he can do and how he settles. loan with option to buy. plus Cole will only leave in the summer.

Downing will leave as will Pacheco and Coady for a combined fee of £9m

net spending £9m {Ed002's Note - Milan's Didac Vila has suffered a couple of serious injury issues over the past couple of years. After a loan to Espanyol went well last season enquiries were made by several clubs with a view to him being taken on loan this season with Valencia being offered the player. After failing his medical he returned to Milan for surgery and should be available to play in January.}

16 Dec 2012 15:58:29
Hello red's and ed's

I haven't posted in a long time due to the fact that I didn't want to read about transfer's and see the fickels crying over a draw or a loss. However in the last few days I have started to read on here again and people are being slated for getting behind the team, being called 'Delusional' while others are getting slated for thinking negative.

Just before I give my view on what's going on I would like to say I'm not dulusional or negative I'm a lfc fan.

Since the end of the transfer window people have had opinion's on what's going on behind the pitch, but as fan's we should concentrate on the pitch not on our net spend etc. When concentrating on the pitch we notice all the flaws in the team but no one is noticing how this is a new system(lfc have always been a passing team however we did hoof it forward every now and again were as now we just force passing) and brendan does not have all the players he needs for his style of play. Come january when we get a striker and in my opinion we also need a back up defensive mid, a box to box midfielder to replace stevie g, and a goal keeper to give pepe compition we can be more direct and fluid. However I do agree with people who are saying rodger's is arrogant in forcing the 'tiki taka' way but you don't realise this is part of the revolution, if he planned to induct his style of play after he signed player's in jan and then started to begin the Philosophy we would have to wait longer to rise to the top because all the player's would be new and wouldn't understand how it works so that is why we have started to force it now because if it was delayed we would be going through the transition we are in at the moment after jan. Also people who say downing, hendo etc are rubbish well as long as they are giving their all and try to bring our great club to the top, respect them. Calling them rubbish doesn't help because there confidence will fall along with the club.

Remember 'at the end of the storm There's a golden sky'

JFT96 YNWA
LFCRedStars
(Please post on banter, I cannot post on banter because I am on my blackberry, thanks)

Downing is not rubbish he is f*****g S**te,he plays for Liverpool,cost a fortune and is payed a fortune, stop making excuses for him,confidence my arse,he's just not up to scratch,i,at 46, could do better.If you analysed yesterdays game as i did,when in a position to play a killer ball, time after time he exhibited the composure of a Turkey on Christmas eve.Support is great,supporting rubbishe's whats got us in our present position !! Beardsleys Boot's

16 Dec 2012 15:57:41
just a comment on how quiet anfield is,I have to agree ,most supporters just seem to be watching and hoping not creating that athmosphere that a team needs to keep visiting teams on the back foot and more importantly a young team on the front foot going forward,on the transfer front just hope we can get someone who can offer that little bit of creativity that we crave.(oh for a john barnes or a peter beardsley)

In all fairness mate the team have to give you something to sing about ,so if you know any songs for 3 yard side pass and then the back pass ,type it up and we will start signing it

16 Dec 2012 15:53:33
*We dominated the possession
*Controlled the game
*Created chances aplenty and squandered them
*Joe Allen had a 90%+ pass completion rate
*And, to crown it all, we lost the match

There you have it, our reality as we know it... normality restored.

.......WeDominatedThePossession

16 Dec 2012 15:48:25
I think it's fair to say that gaston Ramirez>>>joe Allen and the people in the summer that banged on about this its your time to gloat. Lucas is back and Allen provides nothing more than Henderson. I like him but I'm not sure what he does. Gaston Ramirez would currently take gerrards position (that would be a relief). Would have costed 3mill less that could have gone to Dempsey transfer. But this is liverpool... {Ed002's Note - I explained the situation about Ramirez over the summer (ad nausium). For some reason people could not accept there was no interest. Just move on.}

Gaston ramirez is average nate he has t done anything i rather have allen all we need is more goalscorers, wouldve been interesting seein ramirez cover for lucas though ;)

Shak Attack

That's why he plays in a front three for Uruguay is it?

What has gaston ramirez done special. let me guess nothing.
truered2

What has allen done please let us knpw is he the same type of signing as ferry was

16 Dec 2012 15:21:06
Guys, does someone knows when Borini is coming to the field? Or at least training?

JJ/LT {Ed002's Note - Mid January.}

16 Dec 2012 15:13:50
Interesting stat from two games that finished 3-1 yesterday.

ManU 6 shots on target

LFC 16 shots on target

Tells you a lot!

Grayswood

What? Is your post in jest? It must be right?

UTD won UTD are top of the league,UTD have dominated domestically for the last 2 decades. We have slid to mid table mediocrity. Are you hoping stats prove Rodgers is a good manager? Check out his win % and our league position.

So it's about quality chances not just half-chances. They probably created 5 chances that were dead cert goals (bar some amazing intervention from a defender or the keeper) and 1 half chance. Can't really say any of our chances yesterday were ones where you thought "how the hell did he miss?"
Also, having someone to put the ball in the net - not just hit the keeper or the post, last defender etc.
Can't remember the last time we actually went for the corners with our shots (the unsaveable kind).
Maybe it's a confidence thing.

To the person eho didnt leave their name

Whilst the most important stat is the final score these stats do show we are the most dominant side in most matches and we need goalscorers

Its actually pretty straight forward

Shak Attack

To the other person who didn't sign their name, what about Glen Johnson's goal against West Ham?

Piledriver

16 Dec 2012 15:10:14
Eds what are the chances of Brendan Rodgers still being manager in the summer if Liverpool finish 9th for example in your opinion.
YNWA {Ed002's Note - It is not worth the grief answering questions like this.}

Hes going to be here for a long time as i see us improving massively even the best teams suffer setbacks.
truered

Liverpool shud sack if the result dosnt improve by january, we can bring manager like martinez, bielsa, simeone, steve clarke, etc. Hu r doing better than rodgers, rodgers waisted 30 millions in flops, and the managers i mentioned, they didntve even that budget and doing millions of miles away better tham him, forget top 10, we will finishe bellow 12 wif rodgers on charge and that will make us loose player like suares, sterling, agger and etc, we need a change i notice it yesterday and the change is get rid of rodger, and get manager like the 1 a mentioned allready.

Allen is not a flop hes having a bad run of form.borini has played a total of 4 games for us in the league.and do u know what stability in management does for a team.look at utd.imagine how much more chelsea would have achieved if they didnt change managers every 6 months.
truered2

16 Dec 2012 15:37:32
Has anyone considered how sturridge has played the last couple of seasons. What precisely about him makes you want him at liverpool.

Personally i would much rather any of the other targeted strikers we are linked with. If we are willing to spend 15 mil on a player why not spend it on someone a lot better. 15 mil is a lot of money.

It simply frustrates me that so many fans think we should settle for someone like sturridge

I do agree with you. At the moment we can't consistently score. If we go behind it's often difficult for us to come back.

The perfect solution would be Ba from Newcastle, cost effective, scores goals, knows the premiership, immediate impact on the team, good physical attributes, allows Suarez to play on the right/left of a front three.

Very good purchase in the current climate.

Sam armchair!

I did, I even posted his statitstics for the last two years this morning.

Nevada

16 Dec 2012 14:55:10
01 Jun 2012 11:30:23
I never missed a home game last season and I can honestly say, the only team who played us off the park and deserved to win at Anfield were Swansea.

I missed the away game at their place but if Rodgers brings the style of play I saw at Anfield, here's to happy days.

Ozone

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So Ozone u want the style Brendan Rodgers beat Us with last season but ur only willing to give him 1 transfer window and half a season?

Also worth noting that this was the last positive thing you have said in regards to anything LFC related...6 MONTHS AGO

No wonder Anfield is as loud as a library

Shak Attack

Think his head must be in the clouds shak mate, especially with a name like ozone. ;P
huddz red

Ozone is banging his head against the wall... Singred

Cheap shot Shak Attack, is that the best you can do. That was a snap shot opinion at the time based on what I knew of Rodgers then. All I could really go off was what I saw in Swansea at Anfield.

Since then I've heard his rhetoric, Had 6 months of his football, pondered over his team selections, witnessed him spend £30 mill and leave use with threadbare front players. Watched carefully the being Liverpool crap and never seen so many glum Liverpool player faces on the coach too away games with the headmaster at he front.

I am an advocate of keeping possession and playing it simple, work hard, utilise the full width of the pitch and get men in the box. That can be done in a 442 or 531 system. He's obsessed with 433. K79 tried to be clever (just like Rodgers, do you take a dossier to bed with you K79?) in trying to sell this 433 with the intricacies of players inter changing positions etc., it'll carry you so far. Take Messi and infestation out of Barca and their average. Arsenal won nothing with tiki taka, all their success with 442 and character in the manager/team. Man Utd the same.

As Kenny has said, all you boffins can try and re-invent the game with your nonsense but you never will, same sized goals, grass, human beings and a ball. He was a player who experienced the winning formula, something a dossier won't give you. All we were missing under Kenny was another quality striker. Instead we've got Ted tearing the team to pieces with his nonsense vision to service his over inflated self centred ego.

Ozone

By the way infestation should read Iniesta (predictive text).

Ozone

16 Dec 2012 18:16:53
"Watched carefully the being Liverpool crap and never seen so many glum Liverpool player faces on the coach too away games with the headmaster at he front. "

When else have we ever seen Liverpool players on the coach to an away game?

16 Dec 2012 18:55:39
Its hardly a cheap shot is it? He pointed out you've said nothing positive for 6 months,and before he was manager,he liked him.
Others liked him too,and the chances are he will stay until the end of the season and a desicion will be made from there.
Hindsight is lovely,but honestly,who would we replace him with? Another stopgap until someone world class decides they want to manage us?
Lose millions of potential transfer kitty in sacking Rodgers and all his backroom staff?
Put an end to the style and goodbye to the last few months of the players trying to adapt?
It is far too early to say he's a failure,so why not just try supporting him,who knows,you might enjoy it!
WelshBoyDave

I'm right there with you Ozone. 433 is nonsense. 531 is the way to go.

Now wheres my medication?

BigBadBen

I'm not saying sack him WelshBoyDave, I'm merely expressing my opinion as to what I perceive to be his flaws, this being borne out by results. If he turns it around, I'll be over the moon to say I got him wrong. As far as I'm concerned we're stuck with him. I'll support him and the team at the game, I'm very vocal but as has been said in previous posts, when you've compromised family situations to go the game and you go home after watching the crap Rodgers is serving up, it doesn't make for a happy household. So as far as I'm concerned any fan who goes the game regularly and feels like venting his anguish on a supporters forum such as this, has every right too and shouldnt be criticised by the likes of Bigbadben, nevada

(pressed the send button accidentally trying to correct this flaming predictive text, so I'll carry on):-

K79 , Shak attack etc. having a pop.

Ozone

I didn't criticise your opinion Ozone. I merely said that your opinion is not more valid just because you attend games.

Nevada

16 Dec 2012 14:41:00
"I just signed it, I didn't care what wage it said on it. I'm still not sure how much it said now. I signed because I just wanted to play for Liverpool again." - Robbie Fowler

taken from his autobiography.

What I wouldn't give for another player with this kind of love and commitment for our club again.

Nevada

We already have one...adam morgan.

Lil Red

16 Dec 2012 16:02:23
Bring back danny murphy! Most underrated player ever. Probably not as quick as allen but would definitely at least try to tackle than just jog back and watch the other team score like Allen.

hounsred

Danny murphy? You are having a laugh friend watched him most games when he was with us average at best the goals against man utd tends to lead to favourable nostalgia could not pass a ball 5 yards most of the time would not lace allen's boots Allen is going to get better he has only been with us half a season...

Paisley's genius

I think you lost the translation of genius as allen is a average player suited for bolton burnley etc

16 Dec 2012 14:36:23
maybe we should try to get kaka on loan to help us in midfield,we need creativity in midfield more than we need a striker.teams against us just hold their back line they know we will only pass the ball,we have no midfielder that can take on a player.
if we had 1 defender will have to step out of defence and thats how suarez sterling will have chances 1 on 1.
pay attention when suarez sterling have the ball there are always 2 defenders.
allen gerrard and henderson do the same they need to rotate,in my opinion lucas should always play.
playing cole/downing must be in agreement with fsg to get the most value for them.
we need at least 6 players looking at our squad.
carra/gerrard getting on.
cole downing
missing striker and winger.
lets start with 1 creative midfielder and striker.
and the other in summer.

16 Dec 2012 14:31:33
Its time to get ride of some players that`s not good enough for Liverpool. Like: Reina, Downing, Shelvey, Cole, Henderson, Borini and Coates. SG has been poor lately and we have to start to see after a new very good midtfielder. I think he must start on the bench. We must have 2 strikers more and one of them should be a top player, like Dzeko . We also need a creative midtfielder, like Alonso, for more options. If Steerling dont signt, sell him. I think he also should start on the bench for rest him. Assidi should get the opportunities to start for a few games to see if he is good enough. How much has BR to spend in January and in the summer ? We have to get to top 4 by next year!! With these players we aren`t good enough!!!
YNWA

What is with all the hate for Shelvey?
And sign Dzeko? Do you think we will pay him 160k a week?
Alonso is a possibilty in a year or so but again, he will have to take a pay cut. All depends on how much he wants to play for us again co with him being older now he could go somewhere like the MLS or Anzhi for a massive pay day, wages that we couldn't compete with.

Jay

Borini has played four games coates is class.
truered2

In respons to...

What is with all the hate for Shelvey?

It's not hate its just he's crap, a 1 legged man has a better first touch.

Shelvey is superb and the natural replacement for Stevie, your an idiot
FowlerisGod

No hate for Shelvey, he is just a mid-table midfield plodder. No engine, no pace and a poor finisher, but apparently he is the next S. Gerrard.

How poor is he? well he was taken off at half time for Joe Cole, says it all really.

Shelvey is superb and the natural replacement for Stevie, your an idiot
FowlerisGod

Haha people really dont know football if they think Shelvey is crap. He is the joint top scorer in the Europa League, a regular in our team and is only 20 years old. What more do you want from him?

Jay

16 Dec 2012 14:25:32
Hi eds listen i know this may sound stupid but is there any chance of bagging some one like cavani or lewandowski ? they are 20 goals a season strikers and last time we had one was torres and that year we came 2nd...lewandowski i think would be a better option though
cheers
SC

Yes there is a chance of bagging them. If we actually fly to germany or italy and physically kidnap them. Beyond that I'm not so sure.

Nevada

Absolutely no chance..... Why ask if a player at one of the best clubs in the world currently for Liverpool??

16 Dec 2012 14:24:05
After yesterday game and our league position its clear that Rodgers is out of his depth and we need someone to come in and help him before things get worse. Sturridge or Ince might improve our squad but they are not our Answers. Buying ince or Sturridge Rodgers will just dig his own hole.

Look at it this way, which attacking line up looks more balanced:

Shelvey/Enrique...suarez...sterling/suso

Or

Sterling/Borini...suarez...ince/sturrige

With suso and Assaidi as backup.

I would choose the second one all day long. More goals, more skill and speed, more versatility. At the moment we just rely on Suarez. That will change when sturridge, ince and borini are in the squad. Plus Assaidi needs to be given some epl action.

16 Dec 2012 14:19:43
Man United fan here guys... I just wanted to ask you as fans what you think goes through Brendan Rodger's mind? He seems to think that 2nd place is realistic for you which I really can not believe and another one is that he always has an excuse that normally is awful and does not really give a real account of the games or what happened. Listen I have nothing against what he is trying to do and the style but he is odd to say the least... So what are your opinions on this?

If he put a dossier together on the merits of all car manufacturers and their models, he'd be an A star car salesman.

Ozone

Normally has an excuse that is awful? He said yesterday we were wasteful and we should have been in control of the game after 20 minutes with the chances we had. Also said we should have had a penalty at 2-0 which changes the game. Then he said our defending was poor and we gifted them goals?
Seems pretty honest and fair to me.

Jay

He didn't say top 2 is realistic he said basically were 11 points of seconds and he's doing a good job were out playing most teams with no end finish which is what he'll address. Ignore what most people say on here they all seem like 12

Since you seem to be asking the question in a genuine manner - I
think Brendan Rodgers will be an excellent manager for Liverpool and will be with us for many years...
Nothing at all wrong with pointing out that we were 'x' points off 4th and 'x' points off 2nd. That is not the same as saying we WILL be second to fourth this season.
I cannot resist though in pointing out that if you want awful excuses from a manager in defeat you need look no further than your knight of the realm

Puzzled

My thoughts are BR should of never mentioned getting 2nd although I still believe 4th is possible.....I also think you can hardly comment on a manager not giving the real account on games!

JOZLFC

Normally has an excuse that is awful? h your funny

What would Fergie say if the refs screwed him out off 10+ pens and disallowed goals this season? I bet he'd demand an investigation!!

Not just demand and investigation get a suitable punishments for the refs.

16 Dec 2012 14:15:15
If the rumours about Sturridge and Walcott do in fact translate into transfer signings, then very clearly...nothing much has changed with LFC.

Terrible reflection on management if the best they can come up with is Sturridge when it is plain to see how selfish and disruptive he is (referring to what I know: his on-field activities only). Similarly, Walcott is a glaring example of a mediocre player who has been mislabelled as having untapped potential.

Same old lazy, unimaginative, go-for-the-obvious scouting and assessment of talent LFC has been plagued with for the past several years. Do we really need to pay mangagement and a scouting staff to come up with names like Sturridge and Walcott?

Overpriced...overhyped..underperforming (if they haven't realized their potential by now...got news for you...they won't. Anyone, anticipating a dramatic change in form from what we have already seen from Sturridge or from Walcott just because they would be wearing LFC colours is dreaming. Stuff like that rarely happens at the ages they are at...and the idea that Walcott being a Liverpool fan somehow means anything is laughable.) There is a reason Chelsea doesn't offer Sturridge regular first team football (really, how poor must he be if his competition is a woeful 'Nando?) and would be more than willing to let him go. There is a reason Arsenal don't want to hold on to Walcott at any price--what he offers is easily replaceable at a far more economical wage.

Signing these two, will be yet another clear case of more good money thrown out of the LFC window...added to the sums lost on Carroll, Downing, Henderson, Adam, Cole, et al in recent times.

Fans have no right to be complaining aboutLFC not having money or being unable to compete with the Mancs or Chelsea...no right at all. We have had money and we have spent it...the problem is the people in charge have spent very, very, very poorly. I mean £35 million on Carroll...really?...stupidity of the highest order.

Yes, it was a panic move but, think of what would have happened if, at the time, cooler heads prevailed and we didn't submit to the outrageous transfer demads from other teams because we didn't have any leverage after losingTorres. Riding out the season with just Suarez would not have made a material difference in where we finished in the table that year...and we would have had that money to spend in a more well thought out way in the summer. Then again...does our recent transfer record suggest we would have spent that money any more wisely?

In any event, Sturridge and Walcott will be more of the same. Why do we keep chasing after other clubs' rejects?

It would be unbearable to watch a season of fumbles and bumbles and poor finishing from Walcott running at 100 mph but, in fact, going absolutely nowhere.

As for Sturridge, how frustrating will it be to watch him shoot over the bar...completely oblivious and uncaring that Suarez or Stevie were in a wide open position? ...and he has the nerve to demand a wage close to £100k per week. Really?

There are players out there that would more than adequately fit the bill at a 'reasonable' salary. Most importantly, they are team players, they are hungry, they take pride in what they do and they will move LFC forward...not just fill a place on the field like Sturridge and Walcott. Honestly, how do they not feel guilty collecting a pay packet based on their performances to date?

It's the job of management and scouting to come up with these players...the hidden gems...not just take the easiest path and go for the obvious names. That is pure laziness. As long as we pursue these kinds of targets (again, IF the rumours are true), we will remain a mid-table team. The new reality for LFC! SHAMEFUL!

This transfer window will be one of the most important periods in our club's recent history...LFC management don't screw it up!

Great post mate, everything you said is spot on

Kelly Red

Totally agree

MikeyRed92

16 Dec 2012 10:10:10
Hi Eds.....just wanted too know, your thoughts on Thomas Ince's potential.....and if he would actually be an impact signing for us?
Plz post and great site
Kabir {Ed001's Note - personally I really don't think he is worth buying, he is not as good as Sterling or Ibe, I think the money could be better spent elsewhere. More to the point, we would have to contend with his father all over again, which is the main issue. He is there constantly in the coaches' ear, telling them how to do their job etc.}

16 Dec 2012 14:09:28
I reckon we should go for Walcott 8M,Ince 5M,and Sturridge 9M within the first week of Jan.

Downing 8M,Pacheco 1M,Cole 1M and Doni (free) should all leave in Jan, with various fringe players going out on loan.

Players like Henderson 7M and Carroll 17M will leave at the end of the season with Erikson 28M and Llorente 8M the most likely replacements for both.

We would have a much stronger team than we currently have and we wouldn't be breaking the bank either which fits into FSG policy.

A midfield selection of Gerrard, Lucas, Suso, Erikson, Allen, Shelvey, Assaidi, Sterling.

And strikers of Suarez, Walcott, Sturridge, Llorente and Borini would be wonderful.

C'mon BR and FSG make my day....

Wizard.

It's gonna take your magical skills as a wizard to entice Christian Ericksen to our club, he has his pick of europe.

Nevada

8m for Llorente at the end of the season? I think Bilbao would bite your hand off for that considering he will be out of contract by then.

Bilboao can only receive money for llorente during january. Unless he signs another contract, which wont happen, in the summer he will be free to everyone and will only pick a cl team imo.

KUMBER

16 Dec 2012 14:02:39
No comments about Rafa losing the World Club Championship, eh ?? All quiet on the western front from his fair weather "loyal supporters" ?? ra1969

I see we still have a few bitter KK supporters. Do I need to list what he did wrong to get sacked. Plus if your pro rogers the right now is not the time to talk off the back of a 3-1 defeat to Aston villa sitting at 12th place thinking we can still get 4th in our wet dreams. Until rogers has achieved anything close to rafa, then you should not bite off the hand that fed you. Rafa was a great manager.

Are you for real? He loses a game in the World Club Championship final (a competition, by the way, we will be lucky to see again in the next 20 years) and you can't wait to get the knives out.

You obviously don't understand that comparing Brendan Rodgers to Rafa Benitez is akin to comparing Kevin Webster to Sir Laurence Olivier as an actor.

redmersey

'losing' it ? or 'not winning' it ?

Puzzled

No need to slate rodgers just cause rafa was great like every player evry manager has a shelf life his is over.he has done nothing special since leaving liverpool.

All of you guys misunderstood. Aside from Hodgeson, I've supported every LFC coach the last few decades. Rafa won us a European Cup (against all odds) that I will always remember, and KK is a true living LFC legend - he can do no wrong. It was simply a boring Sunday afternoon, and I wanted to stir up the hornet's nest a little bit given all the recent "Rodgers-out" posts. I was trying to make the point that every coach wins some, and loses some. that's all....ra1969

16 Dec 2012 13:56:40
For Liverpool to improve in the next two transfer windows we need to sign 2 goal scoring wingers (Walcott, sturridge, ince) a striker, back up left back and we are in desperate need for a number 10 who can score goals from midfield because shelvey isn't good enough and not slightly creative, this position will belong to suso in years to come but for now we need someone who will create goals and score them (isco, munian, and more realistically sessegneon)

How is Sessengon better than Shelvey? Shelvey has been one of the better players this season, he has scored in Europe all season and he is only 20. We have bigger problems in the squad than Jonjo.

Jay

Would trade Shelvey for Sessegnon any day of the week and twice on sundays. Everyone bangs on about a CF. Rodgers only plays with 1. We need an AM like him or Ben Arfa to make us click. I would play Suso instead of 1 of Gerrard or Allen in CM with Lucas. We too boring.

16 Dec 2012 13:42:38
Ozone you are so bloody boring!!! Great post Red Lenin. Ozone all I seem to read on hear from you is ost slating the team, BR, FSG whats your problem can I ask what age you are cause you come across as I right dafty that is maybe 14 if hes lucky.
A. we are soild Lenin was bang on there
B. Shelvey going be a great for use, Hendo improving and I think hes playing cole and downing to increas there value in Jan
C. If your a true fan you stick by the team through think and thin, mmmm whats thats song we all love to sing. Thats right YNWA remember what it means.

I cant believe all the reactions to yesterdays result, I had an argument way the Ed the other day, after a game this site i so bad I recon most true fans stay clear till all this knee jerk reactions go away. YNWA

Scottybhoy1888

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I responded to the salient points of this nonsense earlier but the best one has to be about Cole and Dowing.

How on earth is playing them going to increase their value? They are useless, the more exposure they get the less likelihood there is of getting rid. if they improved their games and became effective and integral to a system, then surely we should keep them.

Ozone

If players are playing and a team is interested in buyng them their value increases as we can always say they are first team players (and have the evidence to back it up) players sat in the stands are always worth less than players on the pitch, even if playing badly.

Nevada

The best part of this post is that Scottyboy thinks that Rodgers is playing Cole and Downing to increase their value come Jan. Does the previous 2 years for Cole and year for Downing count for nothing? Not to mention the potential £800,000 per place we could be loosing while Liverpool try to shop window these players. Total rubbish in my opinion! Rodgers is playing them because that is his choice, he picks the team and the style of play.

The Irish Rover

Nevada
So you think that Playing Cole will increase his value? i would think that he will go for free with Liverpool paying up the rest of his signing on fee. We shall see what happens. Whats your opinion on the £800,000 we could potentially be loosing per league place while shop windowing these players? Cheers

The Irish Rover

Irish Rover: Teams obviously dont consider the previous history of a player when buying because we bought Downing on the strength of one season and ignored his 6 years of mediocrity before that.

It's paid off in the case of Cole and Henderson as they've both scored recently and enhanced their January transfer value.

I'm not saying I agree with the strategy as I don't think increasing transfer values to the detriment of our results is a good strategy, I'm simply explaining why this could work.

Nevada {Ed002's Note - The value of the players will not be going up and down on a per goal basis.}

I agree there ed,

The point I was attempting to make (perhaps rather badly) was that players who play every week are more valuable in a transfer market than ones who never play. Would you agree that this is correct?

Nevada {Ed002's Note - It is not how value is determined and these players are not being put in the shop window. Both are available but there is no guarantee either will leave in January. Any deal for Joe Cole will require Liverpool to negotiate away the money the club owe him - this could mean reducing the transfer fee or even agreeing to cancel his contract allowing him to recoup from a signing on fee from one of the interested sides. Downing is a different matter. Whilst there is interest from Boro I imagine the transfer fee and wages could be a stumbling block which could lead to a loan request. I doubt that would suit Liverpool. Interest from elsewhere is thin on the ground right now.}

Ed002, do you think it is likely that Liverpool could receive a fee for Cole or will it be a case of getting him of the payroll? Assuming he does move on of course. Do you think his performances of late will have any effect on his fee? Cheers

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Recent performances will not impact any fee. If anything more than a nominal fee is obtained for Joe Cole then a portion of it will need to be given to the player to cover what is owed. If a more significant fee can be obtained then that would probably suit everyone with Cole being paid up and Liverpool getting some money as well. I have no real feeling for the way it will go. Much depends on interest from elsewhere and whether or not he wishes to leave.}

16 Dec 2012 13:34:27
can someone please tell me what joe allen brings to the table? offers very very little going offensively- no assists and most definitely no goals- and defensively, is brushed off the ball like a frail 10 year old.

i know some will hit back with how he always finds himself a yard of space to receive and keeps possession ticking over. but, really. is that it?!?!

It seems to be enough for football experts all over the world to agree that xavi is the best midfielder for the last 4 or so years.

KUMBER

Try learning about football then you will know.

MIKEY

Have to agree he has been poor the last few games, I think the pressure on him built and built with Lucas coming back coz we were supposed to see the attacking side of his game when he was further forward. For me it hasnt happened yet. Totally agre he is too lightweight, he might as well not be there if somebody is running at him coz he is just brushed aside.
Henderson has a good shout to be starting ahead of Allen.

Jay

Ok mikey i will. but in the meantime, and this is a genuine offer of a platform to share your skills- what, for you, does joe allen do for our side?

genuine question i'd like you to answer!

Kumber - The difference is Xavi gets assists and controls the game Allen just passes sideways and that does not affect the game. {Ed001's Note - the difference is Xavi has better players alongside him, with better movement to pick out with passes. Impossible to pass forward when no one is offering themselves to receive the ball ahead of him.}

I still think its a little unbalanced, Gerrards tactical indiscipline means that some players are caught out of position in midfield. Allen, Shelvey and Henderson have all been caught out at times through having to cover for when Gerrard decides to move out of position.

I'm not saying drop Gerrard aas my posts a couple of weeks ago suggest he is still our most productive midfielder but he certainly needs to be told either stay in midifeld or stay in attack and let someone else play midfield because he doesn't have the pace to do both anymore.

Nevada

Agreed Jay. If Henderson could be developed into a box to box midfield player playing a dual defense and attack role depending on the team being played and situation (like what Essien did and Ramires does now for Chelsea), there'd be great benefit to the solidity of the team. He has the physical strength and presence, the stamina and the work rate. But, am not sure, it's a change one would want to risk mid-season.....ra1969

I have mentioned Allen many times in my posts either bother reading them in future or use the search function.

MIKEY

When did people start noticing xavi.
one barca started improving.mark my words allen will improve with better players around him,he will start gettin noticed once we start performing consistently well.
truered2

16 Dec 2012 13:30:51
Why is everyone so obbessed about it all being the managers fault?

Playing players out of position. He hasn't got much choice, enrique is injured! He could play robinson but guess what you don't see them train every day of the week so who are you to say he should instead of downing.

The fact of the matter is downing players better at Left back then he does anywhere else on the picture and BR is simply having to do his best with a bad team to put it quite simply. There are good signs in Shelvey, Suso , Sterling, Suarez but other than that rest of the team I would think could be replaced for better players.

We really need to stop and realise were we are as a club. We have a young manager who can get us playing a style of football that has been proven to be succesful by liverpool in the past but he needs the right tools. If I was him I would have the guts to drop a few more senior players and play the others.

I would drop gerrard and allen now and then and put in young players that have something to prove and fight for give us a bit of grit again along with that passing game.

As much as I liked agger and skrtel in the past, they looked like they don't know were there feet are anymore and this is not all to do with training they have played CB for years. it should natural to them like it would be for a CF to be natural goal scorer.

But seriously this is not all BR's fault. It all started when Rafa decided he had enough and left. From that day on the club was on a downward spiral last thing we need is for people to demand new managers every game we lose when quite frankly the players are rubbish.

There has to be a balance of blame towards the managers and the players. Ultimately the players don't play well cz they not good enough we won't win.

I agree with you for the most part allen was a good buy but unfortunately he needs evryone to have a good game or he just dont shine and the squad is poor in fairness the likes of downing and henderson are mid table players like even when they play well it never looks quite enough to rub off on other players there not game changers and because of this they drop the head so easily when something goes wrong and havent got wat it takes to change momentum

Rafa didn't leave he was sacked.

However lets leave the past where it belongs.

Tom.

16 Dec 2012 13:25:59
After thinking about the match yesterday and having time to assess the game, I think we need to consider that what happened has been our problem all season. Loads of chances, none taken. Unfortunatley we were up against a team that did the opposite, few chances, majority taken.
We were given a lesson in finishing.
I think Rodgers got over confident after the West Ham result by saying he was looking beyond 4th and city were only 11 points ahead, it has backfired spectacularly. I dont blame him for trying to build on a good result but he has to back up the claims.
Yesterday we also saw the other side of Suarez, the wasteful and sometimes selfish side of his game. He tries to do it all on his own then when it doesnt come off he gets sloppy, the pass he should have played to Gerrard early on was simple yet he managed to put it behind him, if he plays the easy pass then we are 1-0 up and its a different game.
We need a more forwards which has been obvious all season, Shelvey is wasted on the left. If we sign Ince and Sturridge then our bench is suddenly so much stronger. Sell downing and Cole and its two for two with massive wages off the bill. Robinson can cover left back and Suso can get more games instead of Cole.
Rodgers has always said there will be bad games along the way, yesterday was one of them.

Jay

I agree with you on the wastefulness of you forward line, it is not good enough. also on the sturridge and ince transfers if we manage both i think we will have a much better squad and starting 11.

i disagree with your comment about suarez, selfishness is what top strikers need, at times suarez needs to go by himself because the ball is just not getting into the box on the floor where he wants it. the pass to gerrard was the right pass just lacked execution. the shelvey pass was on the money but john jo thought he had more time. dowing was brilliant again yesterday thats two games in a row, imo it was allen at fault for second goal cause he didnt track the run. cole i would let go because if we got ince or sturridge that would mean he falls further down the pecking order, his wages would cover both players easily, but thing getting rid is easier said than done.

KUMBER

Agree that he needs to be selfish coz he is a top striker but when it doesnt come off its frustrating, there was a chance yesterday when he should have squared it to Shelvey but he shot into the side netting from a tight angle. Its hard to criticise Suarez tho coz as much as he misses chances, he creates them from nowhere as well, yesterday he dispossesed the villa defenders twice on the edge of their box but we didnt take advantage of it.
Second goal was Allens fault as well, you could see on the replay Agger pointing to the runner that Allen was meant to track and he just let him sprint past him.

Jay

16 Dec 2012 13:25:38
we are only 7 points from 3rd top position so there is still hope, on the other hand we are only 7 points from 3rd bottom which is very worrying!

john

Oh well your manager seems to think 2nd place is gettable !! You seriously can not believe that?

Are u a united fan cause i want to remind u if u are that in football anything is possible.united gave up an 8 point advantage to lose last year.

16 Dec 2012 13:18:24
ST: David Villa - £13m
LW: Tom Ince - £4m
FWD: Jeffren Suarez - loan with option to buy
LB: Didac Vila - £4m
spending: £22m

Out
Downing - £8m

net spending: £14m

out on loan
Pacheco with view to buy (spain)
Sama
Flanagan
Coady
Ngoo

and possible loans for
Robinson
Adorjan
Teixeira

David villa? yeah ok mate.

What's the point? i know we're not getting david villa. you know we're not getting david villa. what truly is the point in posting that? are you bored?

Why not buy them for 1/4 of their price instead of 1/2 price

KUMBER

16 Dec 2012 13:09:26
Put yourself in a dark room sit for two hours and think of the worst transfer business you could do and lfc have either done it or will do it remember two goalies on the same day

Seems like most of the posters have been sat in a dark room all day already mate, I'm suprised you all fitted in.

MIKEY

They need to be put in a barell and told to p..ss in the corner

Bobbinred

16 Dec 2012 13:05:02
Fergie has come out and said United are definitely not signing anyone in January. Instead he will be looking to loan some players out to get experience.

I think that leaves just us and Chelsea in the prem that are interested in Walcott. The way I see it is Chelsea may be interested if we get Sturridge, however don't see Walcott wanting to go there to be a bench warmer.

My prediction at the moment is he will either stay at Arsenal or he will go abroad as I don't think he will want to come to us either, especially in our current position. Maybe with a bit of luck we can get him.

Think we will get a surprise signing this January whether its good or not I think it will be someone that no one has mentioned.

RAH, YNWA

If fergie says united are definitely not buying in January then you can be assured that they will definitely be buying in January

Chris in Tamworth

I don't believe anything Fergie says

Bobbinred

16 Dec 2012 12:58:06
Rodgers is just an opportunist..he hadn't played a game and was already slating the players we bought last year then Fsg give him a 30million then he brings in his own flops in borini and allen..he charmed his way to the press,and most liverpool fans that's why he never gets the criticism he truly deserves..it is really surprising when fans keep saying allen is class, when he offers nothing in attack or defense..

Any manager with a brain,who saw the way liverpool played last year should know all we needed were goalscorers in the team.our defense was good we created loads of chances but we struggled to finish them.but with his big ego he doesn't see that and starts tearing apart the team..the truth is if we had the same team of last year(without maxi,kuyt,bellamy)who left on their own will, and he had spent the 30million on strikers.the so called players he deemed not good enough would have still created loads of chances for the attackers upfront...
You could blame kenny all you want for our problems,for me its is rodgers and his big ego..why didn't he buy dempsey first before borini if he knew we needed goals in the team?what a muppet. demsey would have flourished here spurs are playing him as a midfielder thats why the guy has struggled this season and as bad as they say he is playing he has scored more than allen and borini

Its his team selection that worries everybody why force downing to play at Lb,and stick hendo on the bench when he is playing well then you go to the press and say he understands his role for the team. what fu***ing role brendan?why suso just sits on the bench and never brings him on I don't know..when did shelvey develop to play on the right of our front three and assaidi has not yet had his chance,even if he tries gerrard upfront that would have been good. tell me the harm which could come from having morgan or ngoo on the bench we have one striker why don't you try those in the reserves. what harm can come from then playing a couple of games till january.. then he goes to the press and keeps blabbing about how thin the squad is when the muppet isn't even utilizing the full potential of the team

ITS your fault brendan take responsibility no more lame excuses.

BOSSMAN

Spot on Bossman.

Ozone

16 Dec 2012 16:23:15
you are right but whats the point in criticising? do you want another sacking? I agree that people shoulsnt act like hes the messiah tho. All we can hope for is that he learns from his mistakes.

Hounsred

16 Dec 2012 12:22:00
eds, is it true that martin kelly has rejected a contract offer from us?
YNWA {Ed002's Note - I really don't know, sorry.}

16 Dec 2012 12:34:47
I heard the Same thing this morning and asked the question to the eds not long ago hope it's not true {Ed002's Note - In this sort of situation, I would think you can safely assume it is no more than negotiations and a package not yet being acceptable. I would not be overly concerned right now.}

16 Dec 2012 12:16:01
Good morning all,

After the truly shocking performance yesterday and the glaring need for a striker who can finish (23 shots and 1 goal?) I decided to have a look around europe and see if there was any value to be found in the striker department. I have not even bothered to look at players which are definitely unavailble to us, and have mainly focused on players which we have been rumoured with or that would be available should we enquire.

NOTE* the first figure is this seasons record, while the bracket represents the previous season

Demba Ba
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Games------Goals---Assists-----shot conversion

17(34)-----11(16)---0(2)---------15.7(14.1)

Much has been said of Ba, and his record is pretty exemplary, both his goals to games ratio and his shots to goals ratio are what is expected of a top premiership striker. He is has also avoided what happens to many unknown foreign strikers entering premiership- he did not disappear after one season. I definitely think his goals would be of use to us, but he does not fit into our current system, unless suarez were to be moved wide and Ba plays as a traditional striker instead of a false nine.

Daniel Sturridge
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Games-------Goals-----Assists-------Shot Conversion
7(40)--------1(13)-----0(6)---------11.11(10)

It looks increasingly like we will buy sturridge, I don't think he will be a success at liverpool, and the stats back me up here. His goals to games ratio for last season was poor (it got worse when sub appearances were included), and his shot conversion ratio of just 10 percent makes him worse than a lot of midfielders at converting shots to goals. Six assists last year was a decent return for a striker which is one of the few stats in his favour. We already have a striker who needs just over 10 shots per game before he will convert 1(Suarez 10.4) , do we really want to solve our striking crisis with another?

Bafetembi Gomis
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Games--------Goals----Assists-----Shot Conversion
17(35)--------10(19)--2(2)----------19.6(16.3)

I have to admit my research suprised me with Gomis. When we were rumoured a couple of weeks ago, I was secretly hoping it was just rumours. After researching however he appears to be a pretty good candidate. His Goals to games is good, his shots to goals is good, these would likely dip a little if we bought him due to the increased difficulty of our league. But though, even if he lost 5 percent on his shot conversion it would still make him the most clinical player in our team. He is quite powerful, if a little clumsy, and reminds me of Heskey (albeit with an ability to score). The only negative is the same as with Ba, I'd only expect to get the best out of him with a change of both formation and tactics.

Alberto Paloschi
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Games----Goals-----Assists-----Shot conversion
5(20)------5(5)-----0(4)--------83.4(13.8)

Some of you may know Alberto Paloschi, most probably wont. due to my contacts in italy and the time I spend there I get to see a lot of italian football. Paloschi is an italian under 21, and a product of the Milan youth system. Still thought of quite highly in Milan (despite his continous loans) and with good reason, he is a very clinical striker (as his stats suggest) and rarely needs more than a couple of touches of the ball to score. currently playing his trade at chievo he's showing the quality of his finishing by scoring 5 of his 6 shots this year.

I've highlighted him because it won't be too hard to prize him away from Milan and I'm told could be done for as little as 6 million, people may see him as a gamble but I've seen him play and his coaches all talk of excellent work ethic and team play. considering our possibly low budget and lack of quality available to us I'd make him a good choice, he can also play in all three forward positions. I'd expect him to become an important player for italy in the future and if I had to compare him to another player I would say his playing style is most like Gianluca Vialli (though obviously untested).

Of the people reviewed I think Paloschi and Gomis are probably the best 2, I would rank Sturridge at the bottom of my list and honestly ca't see why we are interested as there is nothing to support the decision. It can only be that Rodgers 'likes him'

Thats all for today, hope its interesting reading. Comments always welcome and appreciated.

SECOND NOTE* I did take a look at the dutch league as well and there some interesting players but I couldn't get complete statistics for them, so rather than include incomplete research I just focused on the ones I could complete.

Nevada

Great work Nevada, scout in the making :)

Interesting Nevada mate. But, since you looked at Lyon, what about Lisandro Lopez? Tomer Hemed?

The real AG

What about minutes played to goals, would be a much better stat for sturridge cause most of his games are off the bench.

KUMBER

I agree ba would be better siging on paper however he is injury prone.

The others are a little unrelevent when you consider the leagues they are playing in etc.

Just my two cent.

JD

Thats pretty informative. good to see you put a bit of effort into it, i'm actually suprised with gomis' as well and i hardly heard a mention of that boy paloschi. Good post.
derryred

I did look just at players that I have heard were available. Since I hadn't heard of either interest or availability in Hemed or Lopz I didn't include them AG.

Lopez - G=12 Goal=5 Sht%= 13.9

Certainly failry decent but far as I am aware he is not avilable (perhaps ed002 can confirm or correct me here).

JD: Ba has not suffered too many injury issues since moving to newcastle and has been largely present. As for the foreign players I have taken into account the drastic change in difficulty when coming to EPL and still think both Gomis and Paloschi would be good additions. Are they world class? No but we are not able to attract world class, we have to settle for good which we could turn into world class.

The stats for sturridge only included his starting appearances last year and this year, no subs were included. His stats would've been even worse if I'd included his subs. Think people forget he was used quite a lot last year.

Nevada

Well Nevada mate, I was under the impression that Lopez would be available, Ed002 have been saying he could be available for pretty much the same amount as Sturridge and he is an excellent player.

The real AG

If thats the case AG then I agree that he would also make a decent buy. My knowledge behind the scenes of French football is somewhat limited and my contacts even more so. If ED002 has said he's available then he likely is as Ed002 info is usually excellent.

Nevada

Interesting stats....but stats led us to buying Downing and Adam. There are a lot more factors that need to be assessed before finding the correct fit - attitude, age, injury-prone, desire to play for LFC, etc

cozinoz

16 Dec 2012 11:56:45
Ed what happened to the ganso post on the rumours page I posted a question on the thread and the whole post has gone?

KopEndDannyLFC {Ed002's Note - If you can't find it I can only assume it was removed.}

Could you please answer my question ed, I didn't know until a few days ago about ganso moving to Sao paulo, were no other clubs interested or did he just want to stay in brazil?

KopEndDannyLFC {Ed002's Note - The transfer happened at the end of September when he could not have moved to Europe. There remains the issue of third party ownership and his fitness.}

16 Dec 2012 11:52:17
Carra, Gerrard and Rodgers should drop the top 4 talk, and instead focus on the team. What a disgrace yesterday
DanielDenmark

Exactly mate. Rodgers should just shut-up.

He always have 2 lines, when we loose, he says its the reality of things, that it will take 3-4 years time etc, and I have no problem with this, but then we win a couple of games and he comes out says stuff like 'beyond top 4' and that we will fly soon.

The real AG

You dont have a problem in 3-4 years??
thats even great....

To the above un-named poster, I said that I don't have a problem if Rodgers sticks to either of his stories. He shifts his stories based on the result on the weekend. Example, when we won last weekend against West Ham, he said we could challenge for a TOP 2 spot. Couple of weeks back, he was saying stuff like it will take time.

What I mean is if it takes time, which I I think it will, okay, don't come out and say stupid things, he seems to want to be in the spotlight all the time.

The real AG

16 Dec 2012 11:15:03
The more i hear about Sturridge signing the sicker I feel! This is a man who's opinion of his own ability severely outweighs his own actual ability, it's been said that if his ability actually matched what he thinks of himself he would be four times better than he is... If he signs that's another £12m + wasted, I would be gutted if he signed, it's bad enough that we are lumbered with Downing, Cole, Carroll, Borini etc we seriously don't need any more overpaid rubbish in our squad.

Why does everyone slate borini, hes young and will need time to settle in to the best league in the world, when he finds his place in the team and completely understands his job he will be an important player!

I agree on Borini, he's very young and inexperienced and its arguable that his bad performances this season could be due to him playing with a broken foot for a month.

Nevada

16 Dec 2012 11:14:21
Aston villa
Aston villa
Aston villa

Actually I believe it should be Aston Villa. You'll remember the result a lot longer than we will.
DM2012

Stunning piece of banter matched with a poor attempt at spelling his own teams name

cozinoz

16 Dec 2012 11:09:57
Brendan rodgers is a joke. Just about scrapes a win against west ham and hammerd at home to the mighty villa and this is progress. Time to get rid of the dead wood that is rodgers and his cronies before all the good young players like sterling leave and who would blame them the state this club is in now. Rodgers is clueless. Time to go.

So you've gone - bye!
DM2012

Before you all start the sack BR have a look at our record agianst Villa this isnt the first time they have beaten us but if every time we lose a game we are going to sack the manager just remember one thing THIS IS NOT FANTASY FOOTBALL get a grip

16 Dec 2012 11:06:56
I really feel like its not so much another striker that we need, but that the team could really do with a big kick up the ass. If Suarez is injured or tired we need a decent back up so we can rotate the squad effectively, but our first 11 should allow us to compete as we have very good players! We get stung on the counter attack consistently, our passing and shooting is sloppy and careless, when we actually have some very good passers of the ball. We have looked so careless and half assed this season in parts! When our rivals are Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea are we even considering their players that don't get any game time? We want to build a squad better than theirs if we are after players like Sturridge surely we are only doing Chelsea a favour?! BR has a good eye for talent, we should be picking out players from other leagues who can do a better job for a fraction of the cost!

I'm a big supporter of BR and what he is doing, and I love our club, I don't want to see us like this, but our players need a serious change in attitude, and need to stop refusing to turn up at games they consider easy or unimportant. We should have had that in the bag yesterday, yet again, like last season we see an opportunity to close in and we fail to do so.

Tell me exactly what is he doing at the club that you are proud of it??
no CL for another 2-3 years..in reality...
and you still happy with his work?

16 Dec 2012 17:06:57
Interesting points that you make and I do understand where you are coming from, but this isn't just a problem with BR. Kenny had the issue last season of us completely dominating and getting rubbish results. We have some seriously talented players in the squad, who are under performing at the moment, BR can implement his tactics til he is blue in the face, that doesn't mean the players will always deliver! I like how our finances are looking better, and style of play and his tactical decisions which seem to come off well most of the time, the way he deals with the media, and how he is realistic about our rebuilding. The club needs stability and he will provide it given the chance, but the players need to pull their weight as well otherwise it's all a bit pointless

16 Dec 2012 10:58:32
In July this year, I predicted the following,

Bottom 6 after first 6 games (Actually ended bottom 7 GD seperating us from 6th bottom)
Bottom half at Christmas
And at best 9th by end of season.

I was berated for this prididction, and wonder if the same still applies.

I also predicted that Borini was a liability and an injury waiting to happen. How much did we pay for him? If it was
5million and it wasnt, it was far too much.
Allen, I like but suspect he simply isnt good enough either though I will wait til Lucas is properly bedded in.

My belief was and still is that BR is not big enough for Liverpool.

Ever been to the bookies and had a day where you cant pick wrong? This is the same as BR and Swansea. That is his
comfort zone and that is where he belongs. People go on about how some players dont perform when they end up at
a big club and its true but the same surely can apply to managers.

I for one still maintain, Fenway do not know enough about our game, nor do they know what a good football manager is
nor can they assess the size of manager we need. I am not saying their intentions are bad but I am saying they have
not got a clue what they are doing on a football pitch.

I watched the game yesterday and saw attacking football. Our best player is Skrtel. If Suarez could score as often as
Skrtel prevents goals, we would be top of the league. Who honestly believes the aquisition of another striker will make the diffeence?
It may make a small difference but it will not push us up the table. The syle of play though pretty is wrong and
other clubs in the division know how to beat it.

BR must go, if he was big enough he would admit he is not big enough...cant see that happening. So get used to mid
table.

Liverpool is my life love and to be honest I am with them good or bad, premier or confrence. What I cant accept is that
we are in the best hands at the moment.

RedalLover

Can't stand people who say I told you so when their sketchy predictions come true. Especially when only one of these predictions has eventuates yet. Save your smugness for the end of the season, Mystic Meg.
A-Grade nobhead.

cozinoz

Mmm.
'If he was big enough he would admit he is not big enough'
??
what with ozone, and now you, there are some really finely crafted posts on here this morning.....

BigBadBen

I can't help but wonder if we had won yesterday's game what today post would be like? If we won yesterday's game we would be 7th 2 points off 4, but I hear you say we didn't win. Every team from 3rd down will lose at least a minimum of 3 games before the season is over Liverpool included, so it is down to who can draw the least amount of games.

As for liking Rodgers to a good in the bookies is just stupid, as is saying that fsg need to understand football to be good owners, they need to be good business men that is what we need.

So how much did you win down the bookies with your predictions you being a gambler and all borini getting injured and liverpools first 6 games, or did you not listen to your Owen prediction.

KUMBER

"if he was big enough he would admit he is not big enough"

You make no sense..

The unfortunate truth is Liverpool have been terrible ever since Souness took over , albeit we've won some trophys during that period , It's going to take time to get back to where we want to be.

So even belten up or shut the door on your way out.

Tom.

FAO cozinoz.

I never said "I told you so" I simply said BR is not big enough. Proof is in the league position. Mystic meg had nothing to do with this prediction, simply common sense of which you seem to lack. "A-Grade nobhead" is that the best comment you can come up with?

FAO BigBadBen

Having trouble understanding plain english it seems, tinged with a little sarcasm and in plain simple english for you....BR is not man enough to admit he is out of his depth.

FAO KUMBER

WE DIDNT WIN, in fact we didnt come close.

FAO Tom.

Erm No, I wont shut up, I have the same rights to an opinion as you will ever have. Incidentally, you are right about Souness, though I wonder what Rafa would have done had we had Citys owners.

RedalLover

I can't help but wonder if we had won yesterday..................but we didn't. All these posters saying but if we had won, if we had done this would you still be complaining. No we wouldn't, but we didn't win, we were beaten 3-1 at home to a relegation zone team. Yes it may take time, but the manager has to take some of the blame as well as the players.

Well Rafa just lost another Final... Rafa lovers will never accept that the club has moved on and by stating that you love this club more than anything you mean with Rafa as manager
Move on Rafa is not our manager but Brendan is. Support is necessary now more than ever
SA Red

"I wonder what Rafa would have done had we had Citys owners."

Am pretty confident I would win numerous titles if I had 200million to spend each season..

Tom.

16 Dec 2012 10:57:46
Just had a look at the table ...we have lost 5 man u 3 ....they have won the rest, no draws ....we have drawn a stack of games .........I know stating the obvious, but we have to get strikers in early doors in Jan otherwise we will end up mid table .......need at least 2 ...Michu and Benteke for me...............wishful thinking ?

What we need is a great goalscorer ( Like Aldo was) not a scorer of great goals ( we already have Suarez).They create space for others, which in turn will create more chances/goals and they know how to anticipate chances - 6 yard tap ins!

Also, the midfield looks disjointed to me ...Allen, Lucas - too similar to me ..could work if you are playing 4 in midfield but not 3

No need for back up at left back as Robinson looks the real deal ..hasn't had a bad game for me when selected

REDBOY

16 Dec 2012 10:55:59
Unfortunately now it has come to money buying success! Also unfortunately we have had jokers making our purchases. United paid for RVP
City paid good for a number of players
Chelski when they were top ect.
Thing is they pay 20-30 mil on 1 player, and the way money is going they'll be able to seek for a profit.
We won't get even close to 20 mil for downing, when Henderson hits top form we won't get what we paid for him and so on and so on.
Rooney got bought for 30 mil (I think) how much would it take for him to move? 60+ mil
Aguero 60+ mil now.
The list goes on. We need someone who knows their stuff when it comes to purchasing. Their are tons of quality youth players out there and we could double our money on them with 1 good season. I would spend 50 mil on neymar and in 2-3 seasons time u could sell him for triple that. We need some brains because it is getting embarrassing

We don't need brains, just you.
50m for neymar + wages would ruin our club. He would never be worth 150m.
He would never join us anyway.

MIKEY

That's the second time in about a week I've seen someone mention Neymar, who's arguably the most sought after talent in world football.

When he decides to leave Santos, he will literally have his choice of club.

However, realistically there are only a handful of clubs who could afford him.
We certainly aren't one of them so please stop the pointless dreaming

Joe

Dont be silly ! There is more of a chance of Rooney than Neymar...

16 Dec 2012 10:48:43
Just watched the match..... 1) The defence stood of them too much. 2) The attack miss too many chances. 3) Joe Allen is more Ray Wilkins than Xavi. 4) If Downing and Cole can leave, why is he playing them if they are not good enough? 5) Why has Wisdom been bombed? 6) Has Assaidi been upsetting Rodgers? 7) We have no strikers, so why are Morgan or Yesil not even on the bench? 8) The most depressing of all.... Villa wanted it more and got stuck into tackles putting their body on the line!!! Just my thoughts, some will agree and some may not. Thanks, GP29.

Yesil and Morgan are in Singapore for a start, with the U-19's! He's playing Downing and Cole as sometimes we need experience as well as youth, plus need to get them in shop window. Downing probably was our MOTM, btw! Assaidi has struggled with pace of the game, but what worried me the most was number 8. We weren't at same level as we were against West Ham, where we came from behind and would love to know why!
Our other problem is an ongoing thing, we take too long to turn defence into attack and the opposition park the bus!

Keith

I agree GP29, I think that Cole and Downing are in the shop window.

As for Villa wanting it more, you are right again, it's not the size of the dog that's in the fight it's the fight in the dog that counts. Our dog hasn't a fight in it at the moment, it's too comfortable, overfed and mollycoddled, get the whip out Brendan ffs

Big Bill

16 Dec 2012 10:46:55
Did any of you watch the match

First 20 mins was exceptional, movement, passing etc.., final ball or finish lacking.., we all know that.
Keeper throws one in and we start chasing.
Second good play or bad defending depends how u look at it.
Penalty on Agger, which was easy to give.., Johnson exactly same as Allen last week.. BR needs to come out and hammer the officials, it's not right but it works for fergie.
One of those days take it and support your team, we didn't deserve it.
And take the blinkers off looking for a scape goat, Downing played well, his distribution was good, he covered well and played some good balls into the forwards.
Great supporters..? Toon army supported them yesterday after getting beat by city, show some class..

Fully agree mate

cozinoz

Are you saying the Liverpool supporters at the game didnt support the team? Where they Booing the players or something?

The Irish Rover

16 Dec 2012 14:32:20
Anfields a ghost town,how many times have we been outsung by the away fans recently?
12th man? Not likely.
WelshBoyDave

16 Dec 2012 10:45:41
I still think we are heeding in the right direction. We have some fantastic kids coming through.
What worries me is it is the old same problems, not enough chances taken ( although creating massive amounts of them), conceding to many silly goals (mistakes) and the inability to make the most of free kicks and corners.
Allen worries men, like Sahin he looked good at first but now not so good, he looks too weak ( ie 3rd goal yesterday).
I think with a goal scorer or two in Jan. thing will look a lot brighter. The kids coming through will also be a great bonus, if they get a chance....

16 Dec 2012 10:43:29
missed match of the day last night well couldnt watch that again i should say can anyone tell me what hansen had to say would much appreciate it thanks

mayhem 1981

We were crap

He said we ll never win anything with kids

I believe he said our defence should be shot for defending like that. Nevada

16 Dec 2012 10:19:38
I believe the team are moving forward and generally think that BR is steering us in the right direction.

What I am completely mystified by is why BR persists in playing Downing and Cole. Is he trying to reduce their resale value by proving how poor they are?

Grayswood

I 100% agree with you.
Cole and Downing are yesterday's men.
We have some great lads in the U-21's who should be in before them (Texeira, Adojaran, Robinson, Wisdom, Suso to name few)

I get where you're coming from.

However I think it's also important to consider the adverse effects of playing:

1) Young players who aren't ready
2) Too many young players even if they are all ready

Ability is one thing, but there are certain aspects of experience which can help the team (Downing and Cole can provide this if nothing else)

AZ

AZ look at manchester united and what they achived with kids

16 Dec 2012 14:34:48
Az is correct,if you honestly think that replacing half of our 1st team with reserve players,no matter how highly rated they are will bring about better results your mad.
Brendan is damned if he does,damned if he doesnt i suppose.
WelshBoyDave

The Manchester United team we're hardly kids , the only young ones was Giggs and the Neville's who we're 18-19 , however Beckham , Scholes and Keane we're 21-23.

Tom.

16 Dec 2012 10:11:57
Lets face facts,we will continue to buy sub par players for the foreseeable future(Like Sturridge for example), we are the new Aston villa, although by the looks of things not ever good enough to be that...Fergie didn't knock us off out perch, 23 years of self inflicted omnishambles did that, we clearly have had some truly appalling signings(Speedie, Carter, any Souness signing, Aqualani, Keane, Cole, Poulsen, the Dalhlish/Commolli cock ups, it just keeps getting worse....!) over the last 23 years and things aren't getting better any time soon...The only way that the owners will realise is if we end up trophy less with no European football and in the bottom half of the table, which is where we are going at the moment...

16 Dec 2012 09:35:29
who is our left back in the match ? Downing ? it's make me laugh.
hhh

He played well. Try watching the game.

Downing may of played well but he was bought to play on the wing not left back

16 Dec 2012 09:26:39
If Downing and Cole both go,and with the club already thin of players.
How many players will Rodgers need to bring in,in JAN?
We need at least 2 now,and if these 2 do go, it wont bring in a lot of cash to replace them,£7m?
I cant see FSG spending more than £20M in JAN,and with 4/5 players needed,RODGERS has his work cut out.

16 Dec 2012 09:18:19
I am one of reds who belive FSG have done good job of the field and need to learn more about on field matters.

They backed kenny in 2 windows and when our club is running loses they released money from player sales and released more funds when others may have not.
We can't compare ourself to city and chelsea.money is tight around world right now.
Imagine us being listed.oh man that will be nightmaire.
Now let's look at on field matters.with 110M gross spend our team finished 8th.

They panicked and wanted a new man.they wanted to build a young team with lower wages.fair play to them we are in Red and running losses plus have to invest on stadium.
What I did not like was the fact that they after rejecting candidates like Van gaal who wanted full control they buckeled to a young manager and gave him full control.
I like BR but he is inexperienced and for a club who do not have champions league and in loss they gave BR 30M to spend.
My question is what made FSG think that BR should have complete countrol and why with second window approching their still no structure in place.
Eds what are your views?
Should their be structure to help BR in transfers.
I belive yes.
Red indian
Ps-sorry for spell mistakes. {Ed002's Note - It is clear that some thought has gone in finding another "footballing" person to help out with that side of the business - a Director of Football if you wish but perhaps not with that title. Undoubtedly the club is looking toward strengthening in the forward positions and players are being looked at for a January move - so financial support to the manager is there still.}

Ed002 do you think that other "footballing person" will be appointed? {Ed002's Note - I expect at some point you will see someone come in.}

There was talk of L.Van Gaal taking this position previously, do you think that might still happen ed002?

Nevada {Ed002's Note - Van Gaal no.}

16 Dec 2012 09:08:25
Hi Eds

It is quite clear that we don't have the players to play the 433 formation. To me Allen is good player but far to lightweight in our midfield there's been a couple of games his trying to hard with the opposition running the midfield. We should go back to the 442 or 451 formation. The current formation is good football to watch and we are playing good football but when we lose possesion all attacking players don't come back to assist the defence. Against AV we dominated play created more shots Lambert clearly did his homework against Rogers

Thanks Eds

It's not even good to watch, it's boring. What's good about keeping the ball in our own half?

Ozone

3 -5 - 2 would be the best formation for us at present with the players we have. Back three of Agger, Skrtl anwith Coates sweeping behind.

352 for me with KELLY in the 3 lucas sweeper, johnso,enriq working the wings and def cover,Hendo and STEVIE GEE adding the drive and muscle,suso and sterling free roles and luis up top

The trouble is, we need to learn to keep the ball first, which is what we are doing, in our own half going nowhere or not! Then once we establish this we can start to pop the ball into little pockets, in a triangle like Barca do. Its work in progress

You ought to get real mate. If you want to pop the ball into pockets, take up snooker!

16 Dec 2012 09:06:22
Hi Eds.cant belive the amount of posters stating we Need to rest gerrard,allen,sterling,and that hendo,downing,etc are not Good enough who the hell are we meant to play then 2 defeats in 13 leaque games shows we �n the right track yesterday was a bad day at Office we r only 5 points off 5th get back to winning ways next Week Invest a Little in squad in Jan still in europ� things Will get better ynwA

And how many wins ?

16 Dec 2012 09:03:06
Carlos Vela and Walcott in jan

16 Dec 2012 08:52:15
If you think that Brendan Rogers cannot be blamed for the performance of the team,then your thinking is defective..........If some managers of the team below us have 30 million pounds to spend in the summer,their teams would be much more better
Galaxy

Utter rubbish. 30m doesn't buy you a squad.

cozinoz

Rodgers didnt need to buy a squad. He was buying players to add to a squad already there. You know Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Sterling, Lucas, Gerrard......

The Irish Rover

Grab yourself a Blue Peter badge for misunderstanding the comment, Rover

cozinoz

16 Dec 2012 08:42:59
its quite obv that we are terrible in front of goal and have been for a few years, its a shame rogers didnt make a top class finisher his number 1 target in the summer now we are in the same position as last year and will prob end up buying some average overrated player in jan in my honest opinion it will take us years to get back to the top if we ever even do but regardless of that i will always support lfc and i support br but its no good having all the ball and chances if you aint got anyone who can finish, lets all be honest suarez is class but he is very wasteful, sterling doesnt score enough but is still learning and allen and lucas are never gonna get many goals plus gerrard as good as he is, is not as good as he was, so all we can do is wait until the summer because its then i believe we will see how far the owners and br will take us

Best and most sensible after match reply I have seen on this sight today.
GOD

16 Dec 2012 08:41:33
Be quick and get us some strikers. Yes I'm talking to you FSG or whatever.

Forget Ince. He is not a striker. Him and Sturidge are okay but we need strikers.

1. Sign me any two of Gary Hooper, Tomer Hemed and Wilfred Bony. These three are young and would cope with the EPL.

2. Sell Joe Cole, Steward Downing, Jonjo Shelvey and Raheem Sterling if he won't sign.

3. In the summer, we can sign a left back, wing forward and creative midfielder. My choice would be Beneat, Mertens and any left back as cover to Enrique.

4. We should have won but we lost to complacency and profligacy.

5. Get me eggs for breakfast.

Abroad Red

Sell jonjo and shelvey? Are u mad? Stop the moaning and support the team! Yes yesterday wasn't the best but things would have been so different if we put our chances away. These 2 players are our future...person

Jonjo and Shelvey are the same player not 2 separate players - learn to read or know your team you tool

16 Dec 2012 08:22:50
we are a team going nowhere fast. i dont know what to expect from this inconsistent team anymore. once a great team , not anymore. we are more an average team . i have supported this great team all my life and i am 50 yrs old now . i dont think that i will ever see them win the league again.i am a very sad man.

The problem is that we are not a team going nowhere fast - we are going too slow! You are twenty years younger than me but I am confident that we will win the League before too long.
DM2012

16 Dec 2012 08:06:59
Having watched yesterday's game, fundementaly we are a good solid side. It's our fault we are losing, not because we are being outplayed by better sides - we aren't. Yesterday showed yet again the need for a clinical finisher (to fit in with that tactical style someone in the mold of Aldridge or Beardsley as opposed to the likes of Owen, Fowler or Rush). To say we should have been 4-0 up after 20 minutes is no exageration and as I say, it highlighted yet again how much not having a clinical striker is costing us. In addition, Gerrard shouldn't be starting now - use himas an impact sub. Sterling also needs a rest - he struggles once defenders trap him because of his light stature. RED LENIN

Good solid side? We're a shambles. Nobody knows what their doing with this 433 crap. If he wants to play that way, drop all the first team except for Agger, skirtle, Johnson, Alle, Sterling and Suarez and fill in the holes with Acadamy players. Your Coles, Gerrards, Reinas, Shelveys, Hendos cannot doit.

Ozone

Ozone you are so bloody boring!!!!!! Great post Red Lenin. Ozone all I seem to read on hear from you is ost slating the team, BR, FSG whats your problem can I ask what age you are cause you come across as I right dafty that is maybe 14 if hes lucky.
A. we are soild Lenin was bang on there
B. Shelvey going be a great for use, Hendo improving and I think hes playing cole and downing to increas there value in Jan
C. If your a true fan you stick by the team through think and thin, mmmm whats thats song we all love to sing. Thats right YNWA remember what it means.

I cant believe all the reactions to yesterdays result, I had an argument way the Ed the other day, after a game this site i so bad I recon most true fans stay clear till all this knee jerk reactions go away. YNWA

Scottybhoy1888

Do you go the games Scottyboy or are you one of those armchair persons spouting we should support the team no matter what. Im a middle aged man who's followed Liverpool home and away for years and it costs a lot of money to watch overpaid crap with no structure to it because we've roped in an person with no footballing pedigree who has a vision.

There is no solidity to what Rodgers is doing. It's boring. How can we have a solid side when the players we have can't do what's being asked of them? Gerrard hasn't had a decent game all season, Allen gets vertigo when he goes past the half way line, Borini crap, Sterling no end product, Shelvey moody player, Cole and Downing need I say anything, Assiadi one trick pony, Reina needs to goto specsavers. Solid? Are you having a laugh.

Ozone

Plus more muted crap pre madonnas and family on their way in Sturridge and Ince. It's a joke. This is worse than the Souness era.

Ozone

Scottyboy, what a load of rubbish. Are you telling me that we're solid or do you want to tell me why you think we are solid.

14 year old response:-

A) we are solid!! Oh are we, well that's that then Scottyboy, thanks for that we can all go to bed at night in the faith that A) we are solid.

B) Shelvey is going to be great for us!! Again, that's that then, Shelveys going to be great. I'll get down to the bookies to put a bet on that seeing as you must have a crystal ball.

C) £40 home games, £50 in the main away, Norwich last year £45 this year £50 over 10% jump in price. I'll have my say on what I'm seeing son when I'm committed to that level of expense plus travelling costs.

Ozone

More nonsense.
Ozone puts his opinions up because he cares for Liverpool. It would be so much easier not to care and post nothing.

The Irish Rover

16 Dec 2012 08:04:15
I hate zonal marking!

Just had to get that off my chest!

16 Dec 2012 07:54:11
Morning Eds,

A statement by Downing today online: The manager has said i can leave if i want to !

Any truth?

Cheers,

Jamie {Ed002's Note - Yes.}

Well clear off quick you fairy.

Ozone

Then why he is in Left back ? BR must be joking, u ask him to leave and give him left back whice is not his possition how can BR think he will do well?

16 Dec 2012 07:17:50
ince coming in before sturidge

16 Dec 2012 06:57:56
hi eds,
not a question more a request, i know you don't censor here but can you ask people to stop using the rag s*n for reference. they shouldn't be reading that crap.

regards {Ed002's Note - I think there is enough understanding of the matter but I obviously do not have control over which newspapers people buy or look at on line.}

16 Dec 2012 05:32:53
Eds you need to change this sites name to "Liverpool moaners" Because that's all you get on here nowadays!

Lee73

Moaners or realists i think the later

Well sorry mate but I think moaners. BR is here for the foreseeable future. He's FSG man they will give him time. He's had less than half a season, one crappy transfer window. I bet if we won yesterday the trolls who come on here to have a dig wouldn't be seen. You know the ones like you who fail time and time again to sign there moaning posts or replies. It took Slur Alex 5 yrs to become successful,we won't by keep swapping managers at the fans beck and call. BR is the best we could get so deal with it. Lets see where we are 2013/2014 when BR as he's own players. Not after 5mins.

Lee73

16 Dec 2012 03:59:12
Poor signings by Rodgers sahin over paid Allen over priced over paid over rated assaidi poor ince gave him away sturridge average more of the same rubbish sorry to say Rodgers will inevitably go leaving as usual a load of rubbish the next man will have to deal with no aggression in the team no talking we had a blatant pen on agger not one player ran after the ref if united or Chelsea 3 or 4 would it says it all players not really interested fine if things go great but none prepared to go that bit extra just going through the motions and with more of the same with new signings never mind seeing light at the end of the tunnel we aren't even in it

I wouldn't want our players running after the Ref all the time. Thats poor sportsmanship and makes the team look petty! If you want our players to act like Chelsea or Man U players then go support those teams.

Agreed.

Ozone

Why drop Ma United's name in to it... Clearly you haven't seen many games if you think our sportsmanship is poor.... You may hate us but be realistic.

16 Dec 2012 04:33:02
So LiverBird doesnt seem to think Kenny Dalglish bought flops...

Are you living in a world where everything is in reverse?

Are united singing "we won it 5 times" and do we have our 20th title on the world you live on?

You blame Allen but the thing is he's doing what he's there for, doing the same role in the system as Xavi does for barca and thats always being available for players and being the "controller" and his stats proe he is doing his job, the kid just needs a rest

The players u and others should be blaming are the attacking llayers! Look at our stats! We created nearly 30 goal scoring chances yesterday!!

Blame king gerrard, shelvs, henderson and suarez for not puttin them away!

And how can u call borini a flop? Hes been injured and not had a chance, same as assaidi

BR is having to deal with king kenny multi millionaire flops whilst selling all the experienced international players and promoting 17/18 year olds an isnt doing that much worse the Kenny

Plus the season isnt even half way through yet

I think people like u are just Dalglish supporters more than LFC supporters still bitter about The Kenny sacking so u cant wait till we lose to jump om BR's back and the board

People are wanting and even PRAYING BR's signings will flop but u all know he knows more about what talent is that Kenny did (in his last reign)

Who do u lot want to manage us? Kenny? Wigans martinez? Mark hughes? Coz no one else is BRAVE enough to take on LFC and this MONSTEROUS project of getting us back to the top with minimal budget and fans who think we have a devine right to be in the top 4

Its gonna take time and will take even more time if we sack rodgers and believe me we wont be getting klopp, mourinho or guardiola

Years of mismanagement since Rafas last season has brought us to this point and you lot think 1 transfer window is enough time to completely turn it all around? Lol

Righhhhttt remind me where weve finished for the last 3/4 seasons?

The work we are doing now will beat fruit in the next couple seasons

I know someone will come back and say west brom are up there blah blah but need i remind you that Hill City were at one point where are they now? And also theres plenty of time to turn this around and finish higher than 8th if we do then thats progress...atleast in the right direction

Unless someones got a few billion?

Cheers

YNWA

Shak Attack

You talk clap trap Shak Attack, Teds out of his depth. We aren't good enough for 433, the players aren't agile enough. Teds an academic in the game, he has no p,l experience, he has merely studied the Ajax/ Barca model and sold his dossier to the gullible yonks who are always going to be vulnerable to a slippery tongue.

Man Utd have won titles with 442 counter attacking football, Arsenal have done it and we looked like world beaters last season doing it under Kenny. Carroll was supposed to turn out to be another Abrihomovich or whatever his name is (the giant swede), it obviously didn't turn out that way,

Ted has no plan B. I agree with your statement re: Allen, he is doing his job but there was no point in buying him as Ted was obviously aware that he didn't have the war chest to bring in the necessary to execute his system. Allen and Lucas cannot play in the same team, that's clear.

Last week we looked clueless, no structure to the way we were playing and the same again yesterday. Ted wants to play champagne football with fizzy pop players. We did a smash and grab last week when Diame went off, the writing was on the wall yesterday as soon as the team was announced, cole and downing plus Allen and Lucas together and the liability who is now Reina.

Without the luck of last week we would be 4 points above the relegation zone, that is where we will be in the new year ready for the 13th when utd drive the final nail in the coffin and put us into the relegation zone.

Teds out of his depth, his signings and rumoured signings are taking us further backwards and then when he eventually gets the push at the end of his 3 year contract, we'll be left with another load of deadwood that an incoming manager won't be able to work with.

We are mid table mediocre at best and have gone backwards 10 years. Its a shambles. The yanks don't know what they're are doing and should never be allowed to buy into a football club so privileged American comrades can buy in for a nice little yield as a hedge fund. It's a disgrace. I actually thought we were another Villa 12 months ago, in fact they have better prospects as there manager has proven European experience and tactically savy.

Ted, trying to duplicate the Ajax model at Liverpool won't bring success. It might produce a bob or two for the owners in bringing young lads through, but we won't see silverware.

Ozone

Even by your usual negative rambling standards that reply was outstanding ozone.
Where do we start?
'Villa have better prospects?'
or 'Allen is doing his job but there was no point in buying him'?

Apparently we have gone backwards 10years. Is that backwards to 2002? (when we finished 2nd in the league, having completed a treble of cups the year before...)

But my personal favourite Ozone, and one i feel you should be particularly proud of is that BRs 'rumoured signings are taking us backwards'.
How does that work?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, there is nothing wrong with you disagreeing with shak attack, but the manner in which you go about it is crass and juvenile. Try and be coherent, instead of resorting to cheap playground insults about 'Ted, yonks, deadwood' etc.

Oh, and as you seem to think Paul Lambert has 'proven European experience' perhaps on the same basis, Harry Kewell should be our next manager?....

BigBadBen

There you go again OZONE more BS why? your such a negative cretain that Im contenplating not coming on here when I see your name, and when I see BS post like this Im going abuse you. You really must be a young boy if you think Sacking BR is going sort anything out. Who do you want to manage Liverpool? YNWA

Scottybhoy1888

Sorry Ozone but I think you are very wide of the mark here. World beaters under Kenny? Lack of ideas in the final third on way too many occasions I would say.

442 in my opinion is old school football, 443 is a very complex formation which is fluid and can evolve relatively quickly, to say the players aren't agile enough...is just silly.

All I can really see from your post is that you admire Utd and Whiskey nose and are not willing to give this new era a chance.

To say Allen and Lucas cannot player together shows me clearly your lack of understanding towards football.

We have gone backwards over the last 10 years? I think we are repairing our club following the mess which H&G left not too long ago.

For me personally, rather than slate my beloved club, I would say hats off to Paul Lambert he is a good manager building a good young squad at villa.

I think one of the best things to happen this season is the competitive balance in the EPL is better than it has been for a very long time which for me make football exciting.

Anyway, you quote Arsenal and United as the teams whom play 442 well, how long did their manager have to build the squads? How long are you giving ours before you pull out the back stabbing daggers? Jog on and coach football (get some realistic knowledge) before you make silly statements.

It is far more easier & quicker to break something than it is to create something.

Just a quick note to say of course I am unhappy that we lost but, I am also realistic and I will eat my hat if Liverpool are relegated, if we are not will you eat yours Ozone?

K79

Allen is no Xavi and this is not La Liga where teams defend on the strength of their technical ability rather than on the strength of their physical superiority...One of the very reasons why BR substituted Sahin with Henderson against Everton at Goodison...

The controller you are talking about is Busquets and not Xavi...The so called much hyped analogy would be Lucas for our team....

I am a Liverpool fan and want the team to do well always but I cant stand being fooled and told that an avergae performance was an outstanding performance...I would like all players coming to Liverpool to do well for the club as well as themselves....

When you say that the likes of Borini and Assaidi are not given enough chances, it is true for all the players bought under Kenny as well...Carroll was never given a run of more than 3 games twice probably and injuries didnt help him either....Enrique/Adam were overplayed and burnt out due to lesser bodies in midfield ...Henderson played mostly at right...They were just not given enough time....

Downing & Henderson - 2 Kenny Dalglish buys have played 19 games as of today for Liverpool this season - more than any other player bought/brought in by Brendan Rodgers except Joe Allen.. Isnt that a statement in itself enough of who is good and who isnt?

Sahin brought in by Rodgers hasnt started as many games as he would like to....How is he a success then?

He wanted to pay almost 8 million for Siggurdson who struggles to get a game for Spurs...

As far as buys are concerned, Hodgson bought rubbish but Kenny bought mostly young players who can have a good resale value...Its not Kenny's fault that Brendan Rodgers chooses to slate Downing in public (but still plays him infront of Assaidi and Sahin) and dragging down the transfer value of most of the players...

Look at Kenny....when he came in no one wanted Spearing but last summer Bolton allegedly offered 3 mil for Spearing..The enhanced bids for Agger/Skrtel came because he had the bottle to bench Carragher...Thats how you protect and increase the transfer value of your players...Fergusson, Moyes, Wenger, Benitez are all fantastic at this...But not Brendan Rodgers...

Brendan Rodgers, on the other hand, runs down the transfer value of the players under him....

You are probably new to football and dont know enough about football....Else you wont have said that BR knows about talent than Kenny Dalglish....All the current players from the youth set up and the promoted players were brought in under Kenny as a part of the LFC Academy shake up..Just go back and check his record at Liverpool and Blackburn Rovers where he was renowned for bringing fantastic players...

Brendan Rodgers hypes himself up bigtime and I dont blame you for believing his sugar coated interviews and the lenient press coverage he has got from the British media this year...

And yes I dont want him to get the sack...He deserves at least till the end of next season...Else we will back in the same place as we are now....

LiverBird

Bigbadben, the tough guy who's going to abuse me!! The title youve given yourself says enough about you lad. Did I say anything about sacking Rodgers? I'm venting my opinion as to the crap he's dishing up on the pitch and the sub standard team he's putting together. It's going nowhere, it won't work, his dossiers nonsense. You need a team of agile dwarfs with an engine for 433 to work. If you paid your money at the turnstile lad, you'd be as angry as I am.

Ozone

All I can really see from your post is that you admire Utd and Whiskey nose and are not willing to give this new era a chance.

To say Allen and Lucas cannot player together shows me clearly your lack of understanding towards football.

We have gone backwards over the last 10 years? I think we are repairing our club following the mess which H&G left not too long ago.

------------------------------------------

K79,

17 games 22 points under Hodgson, net spend nil. 17 games 22 points under Rodgers net spend 32 mill. By my definition, that is going backwards and certainly isn't progress.

Allen and Lucas can play together. Explain that in a 433. This is where the confusion starts. You only need one holding midfield player so that the wide players in the middle three can push on. The idea of an anchor man is to provide protection to allow men to get in the box. We don't do that and the statistics provide a convenient con for Rodgers in terms of possession. We only have the possession because we've got spare men in the middle of the park. Who cares about possessin there, its meaningless. Allen is no good going forward, he hasnt got the eye for the pass, he's there to clean up in front of the back four and hold when going forward. Why would we need two players to do that?

Ozone

I fail to see where pointing out your propensity for cheap insults like 'Ted' or 'Yonks' constitutes me abusing you. Your the one with a fondness for insults. As for my name? People in glass houses...? Look up the Greek origins of the word 'ozone'....
Apt don't you think?

BigBadBen

Sorry Bigbadben it wasn't you with the 'I'll abuse you' statement, it was Scottyboy. Nonetheless, I still think you haven't to a clue.

Ozone

16 Dec 2012 04:26:19
Sturridge and ince
There good players but there not the answer I don't get it if yur going to spend 20m on those to players why not go for a 20m player who's going to make a difference... I really don't get it, there wages combined will be over 100gs a week.... Wich could be used on a top player...

Maybe we need more than one player?

16 Dec 2012 02:51:58
we are where we are. not a good result today but the way we are playin is the way to go. few players in with goalscoring atributes at we will be better for it. ince and sturridge in will help. suarez is alone at the mo in terms of goal scoring and his greed is costing us at the momeng because of the lack of those who can contribute, ince and sturridge in will help and we will improve. keep the faith

Play stevie g as a front roll striker better than playing a winger as a full back at least he can do what is asked.

16 Dec 2012 00:57:28
A lot of supporters have been questioning the performances of Steven Gerrard this season.
Agreed he hasn't been upto his usual standards that we have all come to know over previous years.
He needs to look at his performances and ask himself is there anyone else in the squad who can do a better job. If the answer is yes ,then he should sit down with BR and discuss it and hopefully he will understand that he will not be an automatic first team choice. Gerrard has been a fantastic player for LFC but all good things come to an end.

Mate you really don't watch mates do you. If you see Gerrard he is not bombing forward every otyher minute(as we all like). He is playing a more holding role now in BR selection and play style. We are playing different now. I like the style but sometimes it takes time.
Only thing i have to dislike is how many crosses we got today/yesterday what was imo absolutely abysmal. LFC have always been a team for top of the world crosses but today was shocking.
We lost today, carry on and lets back our team next week.

FowlerGod.

16 Dec 2012 00:41:06
I am disgusted with LFC. You are beyond a joke! Fancy appointing anyone by the name of "Brendan" for a start!

I leave you for 5 minutes and you are worse than I left! Borini, and the Swansea bloke won't get you out of mid-table rubbish...good grief!

You have another dopey manager who talks rubbishe, and you believe his bullbags?

"Liverpool announce the signing of Clint Dempsey"...you are clowns!

Not to worry, you give me endless entertainment, as always!

Sir Alex x

Acting like a person eh lad

16 Dec 2012 00:38:36
Hi Ed, Hope you or one of posters here can help me, this is the second game this season I have missed the first one was the west brom game. I always change my shift or get late to work so that I can watch my beloved red play. I know the result and as always is disappointed with a loss but still was hoping to see the game, I love my team and always want to watch the entire game before pass any Judgment. My plea to you guys is, is there any way I can watch the entire game or if not possible extended highlight on any web sites. The 5 min highlights don't do justice on the game and as haven't seen the reds play for a entire week want to watch the entire game online. I know there are websites which shows WWE and other sports recorded for later viewing I want to know is there any website where I can watch the game recorded.
Red 316 {Ed001's Note - if you are in the UK, you can watch the full games on the club's TV channel.}

Helo ed,s could you please pass on any asking where on the net can they watch the match live.i stream live football not just liverpool but all games. also boxing golf and cricket
many thanks
www.suarezred7.co.uk
p.s could do with the traffic.ive also linked your site on there as well. {Ed002's Note - There we go.}

16 Dec 2012 00:36:28
we all knew this game was coming..when teams would punish us for our sloppiness at the back and today we got it.rodgers is a good coach but not what we need right now i feel the job came to early for him.brendan can stop with his charm we are not any different from last season still the same dominating games and wasting our chances.

16 Dec 2012 00:32:04
well I was in the pub today with loads of Bluenoses who were watching their sh..e team drawing with Stoke. Of course they were much happier that we lost than the fact they got 1 point.

I watched the full game on TV and have to say we looke dvery poor. Yet again home points lost - what happened with the idea of fortress Anfield for God's sake. we can talk all we like about the fact that we are a yound side, etc. etc. but Aston Villa have the youngest side in the PL, so don't let's kid ourselves. We got well beaten, and on this form will give all Bluenoses a lot of pleasure in the months to come. We are at best average - but in reality - we are worse than that. Please BR give up spouting your mouth off about finishing higher than 4th. the longer you are manager, the more worried I will be.
KBL

16 Dec 2012 00:17:23
let brendan keep fooling you with his charm..i dont see any major difference from how we played last season..we have only forgotten how to defend this year...

16 Dec 2012 00:17:07
Ever thought, Maybe it isnt the managers?

Most if these players have been playing for Liverpool for YEARS and had the same results

Maybe the likes of Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas Leiva, Gerrard need to stand up and take some responsibility for the last 5/6 years

Are we overating them? Do the need to be moved on?

That's dumb. Reina, Agger, Skrtel and Gerrard were also there when we were dominating. Lucas has been injured and it has gotten even worse.

BthekingB

16 Dec 2012 02:20:46
Bro these are our best players and imo probably one of the bet set of players in the league.

FowlerGod.

16 Dec 2012 11:18:44
They are good players,but none of them played well yesterday,i would keep the centre halfs and Lucas,but maybe he has a point.
This is largely the team rafa finished 7th with,why are we suddenly expecting to shoot up the table with the same players?
We still have Reina:not playing well.
Skrtel:playing well but bad day at office yesterday
Agger:same as above
Johnson: great player but his final ball really needs improvement,so many good positions wasted.
Lucas: bad day yesterday but great player.
Gerrard: not been the same since Rafa left.

This is the spine of the team,IMO. Not much change.
WelshBoyDabe

16 Dec 2012 00:13:29
It's amazing how quickly positivity turns to negativity on this site literally in 90 minutes. Look, we can all agree today was f**king disastrous, and we're all utterly gutted and shocked at the way it turned out, but a little bit of perspective needs to be placed on the fact we actually aren't even half way through the season. This season has been full of shock results, and who knows what is going to happen after the January window closes and we've got another couple of players?

My point is, crying for BR's head now solves absolutely nothing - it just means the club will be in further disarray if he was to be fired, and quite frankly the guy took on a mammoth task after the monumental screw-ups of previous regimes when he had it quite cushty at Swansea. He needs more than 1 window to prove himself, and as hard as it is for all of us to take, I really think we need to see how he does next season. People are always saying, 'we've been in transition for years!!' - Yes, but under different managers, which has been the problem.

Let's just hope January goes with no Dempsey-esque hiccups and we bring in some venom up front. As disheartening as it is, with everything 2012 has thrown at LFC i.e. Hillsborough debacle and the like, it's shown we're a family, and BR is part of that family - he's trying his hardest, and he needs the support of the fans for this season, as we all knew it was going to be a struggle. Let's just try and keep our heads up, we've been through worse and we'll come out of it all the better for it.

JFT 96

JP

Sorry i think i've commented on most of the messages today........ but
If your gonna support LFC when we're winning then give us rubbish whenn we're not please don't support.
Teams do lose sometimes.. can people please see that this year is more of a building process??
Please i would like to hear from other reds

FowlerGod.

16 Dec 2012 06:24:11
I think the reason most people are taking this loss harder than usual (including myself) is because it appeared we were in a good run of form and things were turning around finally, then this happens. But imo anyone who doesn't see the progress and the improvement in our overall game is either a liar or a fool. We've been unlucky at times and we've also lacked quality at times but I know BR has a plan and i think its a good one. Lets put the loss behind us and get behind our team. Our time will come!

rK

16 Dec 2012 11:22:27
Correct me if im wrong Fowler,but his post is a positive one. Preaching unity and stuff,isn't that what we're meant to do when the metaphorical chips are down?
WelshBoyDave

16 Dec 2012 00:13:29
After years of promises under American ownership we have got nowhere. The stadium is still pie in the sky and the team is as poor as ever.

Year after year we are promised new signings to put a smile back on the faces of the supporters and yet the net investment in the squad is minimal.

Please FSG give us a break and sell to someone who is serious in investing in the club rather than using it as a marketing tool to sell to Far Eastern markets. Liverpool fans are not stupid - we know what you are doing - please go.

We have too many cheap buys and very few star players - we need to attract the likes of Sanchez and Falcao to catch up with the top 4. At the moment we are being outbid by the likes of Spurs and Arsenal who are well known for paying low wages. Why? It comes to something when we can't even persuade an 18 youth player to stay with us.

Cut the crap Americans and put up or f*ck off.

Doubt they will put up or go. Our squad is far weaker now than it was under H&G, that's quite scary. It's also weaker than it was last year.

Sad thing is we are turning into an Aston Villa, once a good side now just average.

We are going nowhere fast under FSG, still trying to work out why they bought us?

Chicken and egg mate, we need top 4 players to get as where we want to be, but they they don't need us.

You have no business mind what so ever.... you know how much debt they paid off for us when they bought us?? no ?
They have been quite good owners to be fair... sorry to say but in a whole football is a business and if they put a 100m in to players they need a profit in some way.
We are not city or chelsea where we are a pawn in these rich guys games. Personally i would not liked to be owned buy some stupidly rich guy and buy who ever he wants. I have been a LFC fan for long enough to know that i love the team through thick and thin and i would not give 2 shinies if they went down to division 2.
I will always support them and i believe we have some owners who know what they are doing.

FowlerGod.

Fowlergod - You obviously do not have a business brain if you think most clubs are run as businesses. On the contrary - most clubs are massively in debt and run with little thought for the balance sheet. And that's the point of it - it's a sport, it's entertainment. Most owners in the prem happily make a loss to see their team do well.
As for my business brain I am a Managing Director of my own company.

Sir Derek {Ed002's Note - I cannot think of any owners who "happily make a loss".}

I was called a waste of space for saying similiar things i.e the aston villa comparison but we need owners who support us and get involved i like the look of fsg but they should not treat us has a hobby they need to be full time reds.
red mick tag {Ed002's Note - Very few owners are in a position to be able to work at the club on a full-time basis. The nearly all have an alternate income stream.}

Ed002 - Are you not a Chelsea fan? Do you think Abramovich owns Chelsea to make a profit? He is like the racehorse owners - they do it for the love of the sport and for the bragging rights. I think 'happily' is a fair enough description.

Sir Derek {Ed002's Note - You will have to trust me when I say that Mr Abramovich would be much happier if he was not making a loss at Chelsea and extensive efforts have been made to curtail the spending. So you example is really not that good. I will re-iterate that I cannot think of any owners who "happily make a loss". Clearly some tolerate a loss whilst building and clearly some have sufficient wealth to be able to soak it up. But that is far from their being happy with the losses. The racehorse analogy is well beyond me.}

16 Dec 2012 00:04:52
Step aside Rogers and let Pep show you how its supposed to be done lol.....

Another bad day at the office. I think you need to grow balls and drop Stevie G and most definetley Joe Allen

Slowpoke

Please tell me why would guardiola go to liverpool?

^^^^^^^^
Maybe he wants another project?

Lil Red

15 dec 2012 23:57:53
lfc should buy any players who score against them. haha

So you want gera, lukaku, terry, naismith, giroud, cazorla...the list goes on.
Typing this has made me realise how badly we are leaking goals.

Lil Red

15 Dec 2012 23:54:29
Shut up all if you whinging, whining gits who only come on here after a defeat, let's all blame Brendan for getting beat....but it's the players who are paid an awful lot of money who need to look at themselves.

Ian ayre also needs to stand up and explain his whole debacle on the last transfer day, we are talking about getting ince back but he should never have left. Look I am disappointed with the results as anyone but I watched the whole match today and we battered them, if we had a goal scorer we would destroy teams, ok Carroll gone ( never a big goal scorer) but the rest left prior to BR arrival I mean all the chances we are creating Kuyt would if had a few. We need to pull out fingers out and get us a goal getter not a goal provider and then given Gerard a break as the team does not need
Sweetcorn

If rodgers was so good as you guys claim he is then why didnt he buy a proven goalscorer when he came..if you think ayre is the problem then you are wrong..everybody was crying for a goalscorer last year,how rodgers comes in and doesnt know that is a mystery. instead he goes for allen and borini..its just like watching liverpool last year all over again

Story of are team we batter everybody with are possession,but when it comes to the important stuff which is end of game we mostly draw r beat,5 games won is not good enough teams dont mind us having all the ball cause we do nothing with it only pass it to death,br is 1 trick pony with his tactics,and if he dont make a couple of signings that can get us goals,i think he b gone soon enough,its not acceptable for are great club not to be challenging and this has been going on far to long.rd

15 dec 2012 23:53:53
mark huges can only save you.lol

15 Dec 2012 23:47:34
Liverpool have now had SEVEN legitimate penalty appeals turned downand THREE dodgy awarded against - has anyone any rational reason why thius should be?
DM2012

15 Dec 2012 23:41:30
Loving the way all the pro BR are saying 1 bad game and you all want his head! Is this just 1 bad game? Passing side to side and back to the keeper, keeping possession doesn't do rubbish! What matters is that white ball going in the back of the net! Maybe someone should tell them this. Downing gets told he's free to leave then plays games, suso signs a new contract and gets dropped. Said it before and will say again BR is just experimenting and our team are paying for it. Not sure what's going on but the owners never mind the fans cannot not keep backing BR