Liverpool Banter Archive November 13 2012

 

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13 Nov 2012 22:47:02
Did u know we couldve for example bought these lot and competed for the title this year with the 100 mill we flushed down the loo last season

Lewandowski 25 mill
Huntelaar 8 mill
Walcott 8 mill
Azpilicueta 7mill
Ter stegen 12 mill
Luis suarez 22mill
Eriksen 20mill
Assaidi 2 mill

100mill

What players wouldve u bought for 100 million pounds?

Somewhere along the lines the people who own the money and their incestors have to take some of the blame, im not only writing this to prove a point to the King Kenny faithful, love the chap but he really cemented us in mid table which BR has to try sort out too, i do think he needs a little help an hopefully the new scouts know what talent is

Owners have to bite the bullet and invest more this time on players who know how to kick a ball or openly admit to us mid table is where they see us

Of course january will answer those questions

Please god, dont let us waste another 10-20 mill on darren bent or something

I obviously meant "investors" not incestors LMFAO

The people who clicked disagree obviously prefer henderson downing adam etc lol

The people who clicked disagree are also aware that transfer fees are not the only cost

I think we should also add the 11m BR has apparently wasted on Borini

Borini hasnt even played a quarter of a season u fool, give him some time..... god people like you annoy me

calum red

Oh yeah i forgot about wages like andy carroll was expensive but he was on a low wage only around 90 thousand a week or so...oh wait {Ed052's Note -

 

 

13 Nov 2012 22:39:28
I got solution to our problems:

huntelaar (partnered Suarez at Ajax)
Fellaini ( out of our reach but would love to have a midfielder with his presence)

If you honestly think fellaini would swap everton for liverpool then you are absolutly mad

Fellaini would be exposed in no time in our midfield. slow and not good enough

 

 

13 Nov 2012 22:37:27
Ed02 is there any truth in the club maybe being sold rumours that someone from Qatar.MATTYLFC {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware Matty.}

John henry rumoured to be on a exit plan , i heard it was a dubai consortium.

Please sell the club Henry and take Rodgers with you.

You need to go you clown like embarrassment

Please find another club to follow - hopefully FSG and Rodgers are in it for the long haul.

We've been here before - it took Shanks 7 years to rebuild from 1967, and if you it's a different game now, you are right - because it is not a game ( sport ) any longer unfortunately.

Please stop Rodgers is not Shanks. 2 years ago they would have given Ian Holloway the job , before that George Burley . ie : Flavour of the season
as a scouser and supporter for 40 years I think fans have a right to ask questions of the custodians as most of us will still be here when FSG and Rodgers have gone. I like Ted but I can't work out if he's a genius or a snake oil salesman

 

 

13 Nov 2012 22:17:53
rumour from a board member at carrow road is that a 10 million pound bid from liverpool for ruddy will happen in january.
gazthered.

10 million for a ruddy keeper? don't think so!
kidmillions

 

 

13 Nov 2012 22:13:11
Well eds

Is this the real rafa Benitez going on a wee rant.. FACT ha ha ha ha ha

faceman

 

 

13 Nov 2012 22:10:03
question for the eds i know it is still to early to tell but Suarez has 8 goals out of 11 this season. people say he is not a natural finisher (which i am one of) because of his goals to chances ratio but he did score something like 120 goals in 180 games for ajax i think(to lazy to google). was he so wasteful there as well as in goals to chances ratio? if he continues like this up till January do you think he would be kept in the middle and buy 1 good decent quality winger or pushed out wide and bring in 1 quality striker? does this many depend on what's available?
also not talking about squad players we do need them but that in my opinion is not our number one priority at the moment.

big fan or rodgers and fsg. faith in fsg to back us for one descent player.

for all the rodgers haters what was pep guardiola's qualifications before he took over as barca head coach.

kumber {Ed002's Note - Regardless of Suarez, a stiker will be sought.}

I would stick Suarez in the free role or right striker in a front 3. He's more or less in a free role right now anyway and it's working.
Then you stick this new wonder striker in the middle to stick away all these missed chances.
whoever we buy a lot of thought needs to be put into it, we can't afford to get the wrong man in.

MIKEY

 

 

13 Nov 2012 21:45:53
Not a bad day for LFC players, the NextGen lads beat rosenborg 4-1 (Morgan (2), Jones, Sinclair), Wisdom, Robinson and Henderson started against N.Ireland U21 in England's 2-0 win ( Henderson looks a completely different player when he pulls on that lions shirt, I don't know what it is but he's so much more confident and positive, only people who have watched him play for the U21s will know what I mean. Suso played around 10 mins for Spain U21 and Sterling will play against Sweden tomorrow while Gerrard will be making his 100th cap. Come on lads use that international experience and put in some decent performances for your club!

AsianRed

Good luck to them, hope stevie gets a goal to celebrate. But as usual i just hope gerrard and suarez come back unscathed thats the main thing, and the other boys of course! Ynwa roll on wigan jdog

Do you think he may look better for england under 21's because he is up against the cream of the crop of NI u21's. bit different to world class midfielders in the prem..sounds to me like he has found his playing level..next stop championship...

 

 

13 Nov 2012 21:45:21
I can see FSG selling LFC.

To me everything is looking towards making it easier to sell. The ground will become a better option for buyers with 60 thousand every other week and the wage bill is trimmed. I think that will be trimmed even more and the squad will have a young age. I think they just want us to be stable for them to sell up. I don't think they have ambition for the club as a priotity. I think that chance has been and gone. The rebuild of structure and so forth is to make it suitable to buy.

Think about it. It makes sense.

And why would that be enticing? Is it because it would be a well run and profit making business? Lots of business try to run efficiently without the goal being to sell them, especially after a take over. When new owners come in they trim the fat and look at new income streams/increased revenue. It is how you change a poorly run business into a well run business. I am not saying that they are not planning on selling, how would I have a clue, I am just saying that all of your points also support the argument that there are now good business people in charge as well.

Andy K

 

 

13 Nov 2012 21:31:04
Hello Ed2- with all these posts about Torres returning I think you should star an online petition to get 100,000 signatures so that the subject can be raised in the House of Commons.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 21:28:05
ED Your comment makes no sense as it is obvious i'm talking about when the ffp rules start which is in the future is it not? And Liverpool are becoming more a better more self sustained club are they not? Liverpool have a much larger fan base do they not? Chelsea have done well financialy due to winning the CL but will they win it every year? We have some huge sponsors, a bigger stadium on it's way. In 5-10 years Chelsea will not be the force they currently are. {Ed002's Note - You perhaps need to read up on the FFPR - the initial data is already being collected. Regardless of the size of the sponsorship turnover at Liverpool is not good still and they need to be back in the Champions League. I rather suspect your suggestion that in 5-10 years time Chelsea will not be the "force they are" is based on schadenfreude arising from misplaced jealousy.}
___________

Ed2 good to see your true colours mate

I would far rather see Chelsea doing well, than the Mancs.
Don't forget CFC have plans of their own stadium wise.
Cabernet.

Hello ed002 when did you start supporting chelsea was it when you were young in the usa or when in the uk, or are you a resident of cadogan gardens and have always been a blue. {Ed002's Note - We moved to England in 1981 when Chelsea were in Division 2. It would have been then. And we were living in Redcliffe Place then - 5 minutes from the ground.}

Schadenfreude - word of the day. Ed the intellect.....Brilliant

gra2966

 

 

13 Nov 2012 21:01:44
Just thought a special shout out should go to our captain Steven Gerrard, who should get his 100th England cap tomorrow. I know we don't really do the "England love in" on here but congratulations to SG, it really is a tramendous achievement to get a 100 International caps. We all know he has had to play in several positions for England over the years to accomodate other players but to me that is a compliment in itself as it proves what a complete player he is. Very well done.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 20:46:45
Good to see Adam Morgan bag 2 for the under 19's tonight. Do u think if Brendan get 2 attacking players he would send young Adam out on loan until next season.. I for one would like that to happen because I think it will benefit both club and player....what you think eds.

Paul..Belfast {Ed002's Note - I don't know what the plans are for Morgan.}

We should not loan players with potential like Morgan on loan to Championship teams, they should go to lower premiership teams to gain the experience.

BthekingB

Lower perm teams haha all six of them

Thats us! He may stay where he is then. :-)

The Irish Rover

 

 

13 Nov 2012 20:41:39
How much is Liverpool worth right now as a club? {Ed002's Note - The recent valuation was in line with the Forbes figure of around $600M or so.}

£480 million GBP. Its pittance to be honest.

What is chelsea worth

kumber {Ed002's Note - A little over $800M.}

That probably just the mortgage . It's more in the big smoke you know .

 

 

13 Nov 2012 20:27:06
Great site eds. could you please put a end to all the fernando torres rumours. every second post about a torres return and is clogging up ur page. Now i know these rumours will continue during every transfer window until the man retires. Plus any info on any players actually linked to us for the jan window. cheers

 

 

13 Nov 2012 20:22:24
Eds.have u any idea How many players lpool plan to bring in the names being banded about are ridualous torres ,hunteleer,damino not gonna happen i suspect One forward and a attacking midfielder cost of about 25 million tops with 2or 3 outs i.e Cole,Dini,Wilson,poss downing ynwa {Ed002's Note - I would expect a couple.}

Walcott and eriksen for about 30 million...

Downing hend cole and carrol for about 35 million...

Not really in a state to let more players go than we acquire. the squad is paper thin as it is and we cant promote every youth player to the 1st team at 17/18 years old. very few players ready for prem at that age
NZL_red

 

 

13 Nov 2012 20:22:00
Eds, need to ask u about Lucas.
He said in twitter that 1 more day training n treatment. Does that mean that he's OK now?

Really miss him in the midfield. Hope he's not become like Sahin after injury. Play safe all the time.

Harmain {Ed002's Note - He will be available from around the end of the month.}

 

 

13 Nov 2012 20:20:23
I read on a rubbishe website that frimpong might become available. It probably won't happen but if it did I would like to see him in our shirt. Can be a bit stupid at times (still young) but he's definately a beast of a player

He is rubbishe. not good enough for arsenal, not good enough for us!

 

 

13 Nov 2012 20:15:20
how about emmanuel frimpong as a defensive midfielder is out of contract this summer. strong as an ox , very talented.

alan waddle

Heard he has attitude problem, good player though

 

 

13 Nov 2012 19:54:12
haha..why are you guys making a big deal out of pep segura..yes he the brain behind the academy .if he really wanted a coaching job he could have left since..and pls cos he was at barca academy doesn't mean he can't be replaced ..yeah he promoted mike marsh so..he has a deeper knowledge of liverpool than segura..he just felt he could intimidate brendan and cos of pride he had to resign when it didn't work...

Waffle,waffle,waffle...medication time back to your padded cell...............JaySpearings Ghost

It's about who's better for the job. The owners brought in the new coaching staff to improve lfc not keep its former players. Pep segura or rodolfo would have been better for he job. Unfortunantly it didn't work out that way.

Could also be that the youth coming through was so strong that brendan knew pep rodolfo were doing so well that they should be left to continue that work and took marshy because he was a die hard red and would be missed least in the youth setup.... but it back fired

 

 

13 Nov 2012 19:50:59
Eds i no this hasn't been mentioned on this site yet....

But whats the chances of Fernaaa.... Nah ill leave it, If you here that name 1 more time you'll block the user :)

Fernando Morientes will not be returning to Liverpool. 12 goals in 61 appearances is not a good return on your investment! Robert Fernando Sanchez Rodriguez João Thiago Santiago Victor Pedro Manuel Fowler is sorely missed though. He can come back!

Cuchulainn's Hounds

 

 

13 Nov 2012 19:42:51
All these people on here who are not supporting bredon Rodgers and think we are not moving in the right direction should ask themselves ,why have all the senior players and young players signed new long term contracts , they must see the improvements on a daily basis , three examples SUAREZ Could have signed for anyone in europe but decided to extend ,AGGER could have gone city and played champs league but decided to stay, SUSO maybe could have gone back to Spain but signed a new long contract ,the biggest thing that people are missing is that any young talent in europe will now see Liverpool has as team building for future and if i do decide to go to Liverpool and put the effort in I will be given a chance to play premier league football .
Cheers teapot

I am behind rogers, even though I was one of the people that wanted rafa back. I see simalarities in the way they do things but clearly differ in man management. At the end of the season we shall see where we are. Anything below 10th then I find it hard to see why we didn't stick with kenny.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 19:40:21
Alright here's a little banter, I figure if we want to get near 4th place it has to be now, or we will never catch up. So Here's our next 7 matches;

Wigan Athletic
Swansea City
Tottenham Hotspur
Southampton
West Ham United
Aston Villa
Fulham

I think we could possibly win 6 out of the 7.. But in all reality we will probably draw all 7. What do you guys think?

Sorry 4 draws and 3 loss...

13 Nov 2012 20:13:18
They're all winnable, and we'll probably boss possession and territory in most, if not all, of them. But I reckon we'll win three of them because of our current lack of cutting edge.

- Something Red -

Realistically - 13 pts.
Optimistically - 19 pts.
Pesimisticaly - 10 pts.

All things considered, I tend to be an optimist, but if we reach 15 pts it will be a huge success!

Drigan

I am going for 10 points, with wins against Villa and Southampton. We will lose against Spurs, just saying.

Piledriver

We wont lose many, that im sure of... But we need to squeewe out a few more 1-0 wins like reading, jdog

I want 25 points from the next 10 games - 8 wins , 1 draw and a loss would be acceptable .

Jargon .

Lets just pick up three on Saturday and go from there.

Assaidi suarez sterling


front three against spurs , expose that high backline.
NZL_red

 

 

13 Nov 2012 19:37:29
BthekingB
Players dont come with a guarantee. Maybe Turan is ripping it up in La Liga bacause he likes the sun on his back. Maybe playing for a team he admires might have been too much. There is no point in comparing because we dont have hindsight. Liverpool have a long history of players you think might have made it and didnt and not just under Kenny.

The Irish Rover

I'm sorry but Arda Turan would have 1) cost less and 2) wouldn't offer anything less than Downing anyway.

So yeah he might not have been as good for Liverpool as A.Madrid but he can not be as bad as Downing and if he is, he wouldn't have cost as much anyway.

BthekingB

Agree with the reply. There's so many better players we could have bought with £35 mill (Carroll) or £20mill (downing) or £16mill (Henderson). Daglish and comolli flopped hardcore.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 19:30:08
Torres will not come back because rodger does not not want has beens with big names and big wage demands say he would take a pay cut to come back. would he take £45,000 a week cause that is all he deserves. we have a striker who is neck and neck with last years golden boot winner even tho he does not take peno's and had a goal taken off him in a team that is struggling in frunt of goal. and torres is in a free scoring Chelsea attack with the kgb's million's banked by hazard/oscar/mata. in my opinion torres would jump at the chance to go back to atletico Madrid the team he grew up in the team he and all his family support the place where his family are from. but dont think atletico would want him either.

sorry i say no to torres.

kumber

I think chelsea will try use torres as part of the potential falcao deal
NZL_red

Im sure chelsea will try and put torres in that deal but what do atletico get out of it. cant remember what football pundit said it.
TORRES UP FRONT FOR CHELSEA IS LIKE ARMING A NINJA WITH A BAGUETTE.

ha beat discreption for torres i have ever herd.

kumber

Oh my goodness - we're still months away from the next transfer window and we're already using the 'T' word!!!! Argh!!! Would not want him back - attitude is poor...

Ed's please ban the 'T' word!

We are talking about the Torres from Crawley Town ffs!

Piledriver

Or Fernando Llorente Torres.... Just saying.

Jonesred

 

 

13 Nov 2012 19:19:11
I really dont get this "Give Rodgers 3 years plan" Why?

Here is my take so far. Rodgers took over from Kenny and he took over all the players that were deemed flops under the Daglish reign. He sold Adam and Loaned Carroll. Hendo, Downing and Enrique are bit part players at the most in the Premier League campaign. Rodgers brought in Sahin on loan, Borini and Allen because again i assume he deemed them better. Kuyt, Maxi and Bellars went and Rodgers promoted Sterling, Suso and Wisdom. So when you actually look at the team now they are all Rodgers players or they are players that have been at Liverpool long before Rodgers or Kenny came. Yet when we come to the results they are far worse than last year or even under Hodgson. Liverpool have won 2 games yet all i ever here is how fantastic the players were. Fantastic against Newcastle in a home draw. Now he says it will be fantastic to finish above 8th in the league. Now when you consider that Kennys players hardly play anymore and we are already out of one cup surely we should be expecting a lot more. He cant use the excuse of not his own team, because its certainly not Kennys! We have 26 games to go which means Rodgers has to win just under half to reach Kennys poor record of 14 wins. Do you realistically think that is possible? I suppose the next lot of matches up to Christmas will tell but im not hopeful whatsoever.

I was a great fan of Kenny but i would be the first to admit that his buys were not great but i still believe he should have been given another year but as Ed002 said last year, its a results business. So if Kenny can get the bullet after 1 full season in charge then anyone can. The only thing that Rodgers has going for him is that unlike Kenny, Rodgers was picked by Fsg so might actually get longer but should that really be the case?

It would be easy for me to back Rodgers blindly and hope that a man that comes from my country does well but he has to be judged on results and so far they are pathetic. I am hoping he turns it around and prove me wrong but i dont see while i should not be highlighting his shortcomings. Plenty of people were only to pleased to do it on Kenny's watch.

The Irish Rover

Please show a little patience mate...
I know you have heard all this before,

But to start crying about our Manager,Who has not even had, half a season and one transfer window to put his methods into place.
And we have already played all the champion league sides this season.

We are going in the right direction, lets see where we are, at the end of the season? It sure won't be the championship! All true fans can see that.

Phooey...

1- kenny got 18 months, He took over the second half of the Roy H season had six months to buy HIS players and plan for the following season, BR got 2 months to buy plan and start a full season !!

Kenny bought flops that became flops

BR bought talent that half are not doing it

Borini or Carrol ?
Sahin or Adam ?
Allen or Hendo ?
Assaidi or Downing ?

PLUS enrique his OWN buy floped, Is playing better under BR, Suarez Playing better under BR, Doni.......... well,

Oh Sterling, Shelvey, Suso, Wisdom all performing well UNDER BR

But sure you just highlight the negatives right ?

Yea forget that BR made kenny's signings look better than kenny did, Forget that he had less time, Forget how we been better than most teams we've faced WITH KIDS, Forget that Reina Skrtel Gerrard not BR buys have been they main let downs this year, Players he should be expected to rely upon have FLOPED!!!!!!!

Just saying not having a go but enrique was at fault for the one game you brought up. but i think the next ten games will say a lot the biggest game we have in this run is spurs but i still would not judge rodgers till this time next year after 2 windows didnt count last one cause he did not know about his players at the time like enrique offers very little going forward except for those 360 degree circles he seems to run on the edge of the opponents box which show he has very poor vision of else very slow decision making.

kumber

13 Nov 2012 20:21:34
Rover, I agree with you in the sense that sacking Kenny when he effectively had only one issue to resolve with the team - goalscoring, wasn't neccessary to fix things. A change in management and a change in favoured players later and we still have the same problem. We should've just left Kenny in for another season to try and fix it, imo.

I honestly think, no matter what anyone, including LFC board members & admin staff, say about it being a results based decision, the Suarez affair cost him his job. If that hadn't happened, or had been handled better by him and the club, he'd still be here.

On a purely footballing basis, I think that sacking Kenny last summer was a mistake. But that's actually WHY I think we should keep Rodgers. Because if we have a similar season to last one (nice footy, but no cutting edge and ultimately a disappointing league position), which we're on course to do so far, sacking Rodgers will be a mistake just like sacking Kenny was.

We shouldn't make the same mistake twice. Or three times. Or four... etc. etc.

- Something Red -

It's flopped, not floped. Just saying...

I share the same thoughts as you.
Something Red.

Phooey

I agree with the Irish Rover, however, I think it was a mistake to sack Kenny so soon and I think it would be a mistake to do the same with Rodgers. We must learn from our mistakes not repeat them. I'm not saying give Rodgers immunity for 3 years but he should get more than 6 months.

13 Nov 2012 21:18:53
The squad wasn't Kennys,but it sure as hell wasn't Brendans either. He has barely starting building his machine let alone oiling the squeaky wheels. Kenny had 18 months,and a lot of money. If Brendan can match that in his first season,i'd give him another.
I'm not getting funny rover mate,i never wanted Dalglish out either. Lets be fair,we were crying out for new players,fans on here were baying for the blood of Henderson,Downing,Carroll and Adam,the biggest change Brendan Rodgers has made is taking those players out. Replacing them with about £33 million,all should have similar sell on values based or performances for us. The same cannot be said for Carroll(£17-18 mil) or Adam(4 mil). We dont know for sure what we will get for Hendo should he leave(hope not) but its safe to assume we will lose at least 40% of our Downing adventure.
For the most part,we've looked good this season,although the lack of wins makes MOTD a hard watch. If you cant support your team when times are tough,and your still dominating almost everybody,when can you?

Thats not aimed at you rover just starting ranting towards the end mate.
WelshBoyDave

I agree with everything Irish Rover just wrote.

Last season was terrible. Worst season inn54 years. We finished 8th. Continually played a rubbish starting 11 when we had much better players at our disposal. £35mill Carroll flopped, £20mill downing flopped, £16mill Henderson flopped (Comolli and daglish both at fault). The Suarez situation and the interview after the UTD match. Selling meriles was a big mistake. Kenny was great at stabilising the club he loved, bringing the spirit back which seemed lost from hodgson. Our first trophy since 2006 FA cup. Suarez was born. Now IMO the cons outweigh the pros. Rafa should have never been sacked because of hicks and gilletes shortcomings. I mean think about it, they sacked rafa and brought in hodgson? Does that not show you who was at fault for our downfall. Most liverpool fans realise that rafa was a huge loss, precisely why most liverpool fans wanted him back. Analyse situations a bit better and you will come to the same conclusion. Brendan should be given a full season, anything less than 10th is 'go time' because he would have had jan and I don't see us winning any cups which makes it an even worse season than the last...

14 Nov 2012 00:21:58
@irish rover,
you seem to forget that between 1st january & 13th may(the last game of the season) lfc won only 5 games in the league, norwich, blackburn, everton wolves and a very under strength chelsea team. we drew 5 and lost 9 and at no point looked like we was gonna get any better and at no point did his summer acquisitions look like they were/are gonna to take lfc back to champions league contenders. we also could see that tactically we was inept from the management in the ability to change a game or system to our advantage.

as for rodgers he has taken over during a euro summer which only hampered our early campaign, performances have been indifferent but the fact remains that currently we are undefeated in the league in the last 6 games despite only having one striker!
give the man a break, he wanted kuyt, bellamy & maxi to stay but refused to give them guarantees for places which is only correct. and then the club let him down with an arrival on the last transfer day to ease his striking problem.
if you can't see that there is a real possibility of massive improvements with the arrival of a goalscorer or 2 then you are probably stuck behind rose tinted glasses of a previous era!
p.s, i grew up watching dalglish play alongside ian rush and worship him still but i truly believe he done as much as he could for the development of the 1st team. he should have been eased away and back to the development of the youth.

s.p

 

 

13 Nov 2012 19:14:56
Will all the Liverpool fans from Liverpool stop banging on about Liverpool like you know the team better than the others.

Liverpoolis a team about winning..... Correct me if im wrong but isn't that the aim of every f...ing team, So we have to accept defeat sometimes not being in Europe will benifit us this season, Less games, Less traveling = Less expensis.

Less of players like Joe cole wearing the shirt.

We have a small squad prioretizing the prem and the best poss finish is all that matters this season.

If we win the FA cup or europa cup thats great but not if it means we finish 10th or worse.

Every team is about winning if not they may as well close up !!

Joke of a post, jog on ya manc!!!

Its about trying to win otherwise half the team in the prem should just give up.
its also about how you do it you could throw money at the problem at it and end up like rangers/leeds or you can try and promote from the youths and build a future.

question for you would rather us spend big win 3 or 4 league titles and over take the mancs only for 5 years down the line we go belly up and never return to the prem again or not spend and not ever win the prem again.

kumber

13 Nov 2012 21:22:39
You should tell the fans that went over to Anzi that we're not it europe this season,Cause their gunna be p**sed!
WelshBoyDave

Wow liverpool fans really try to contradict themselves. This post has more agrees than disagrees? Really....

Then the reply 'jog on' gets more disagrees than agrees. My conclusion is either the original poster is really sad and kept pressing agree on his own post or there are a large amount of bitters and mancs scouting our page. Either way its pretty sad.

Yes, every club is about winning. So how would winning the Europa league or FA cup at the expense of 10th place be losing? Where not going to win the league are we...

Education was free last time I heard.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 19:09:17
Hi eds you do a great job any chance you could answer this question what's the chances if Torres coming back to anfield and how much do you think he would cost ?? {Ed002's Note - I think there is every chance he will retrun in January in a straight swap for Doni.}

Ha ha ha Ed quality.......

PMSL! Great Edd :o)

You know you've done it now Ed

Chris in Tamworth

I knew it! That,s where Donizetti has been, on a yacht belonging to a Russian
Robbie

Hi Ed002 - interested in your view on the Torres/Doni swap - do you think money will be involved too?


Puzzled {Ed002's Note - Nope, straight swap.}

Lol.... Puzzled :o)

Hi Ed002 ... What if Doni is played in front by Chelsea and he started to score for them ? :O

 

 

13 Nov 2012 19:08:02
For Ed002

Hi Ed, could you please tell everyone who thinks Torres will come back to Liverpool, the actual chances of this happening?

It has to be Zero / Nil / Nada / Niente / No chance?

Thanks for you time.

Crooky
YNWA {Ed002's Note - I may have mentioned it before, but I really don't see him returning to Liverpool.}

Thanks for the response ed002, however a simple no would have been better - i think your answer has left this open. Haha

What do you think will happen with him? Is his time up at Chelsea? What would be his options? Would he like to come back to Lpool?

Sorry Ed002 - I am just interested thats all.

Thanks for your time again.

Crooky
YNWA {Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

Thanks Ed002 - I was just being lazy!

Keep up the great work you lot put in :-)

Crooky
YNWA

 

 

13 Nov 2012 18:41:20
I just want to let the readers know that there is a petition which can be signed from Liverpool's official website. Im sure some of you know about it, but for those who do, and haven't taken any action, its only a minutes job with Google chromes auto fill.

Piledriver

 

 

13 Nov 2012 18:24:19
do anybody know if we are interested in leo baptistao from rayo.v hes young and scoring and assisting goals in la liga {Ed002's Note - There is no interest from Liverpool and it is unlikely he would get a work permit just yet.}

13 Nov 2012 19:04:10
Does anyone have a stream for the next gen game on tonight

13 Nov 2012 19:26:25
Try firstrow sports mate.

ACHILLES.

Try vipstand.com

 

 

13 Nov 2012 18:05:35
Agree that our one shot of getting back into top 4 quickly was when Dalglish was given the £100 million, that was our chance to improve the overall squad and become contenders again.
FSG were never going to make that much money available again so we just have to accept that we had our chance at a quick fix and we blew it.
However, I do have sympathy with Rodgers and the Dempsey deal. I know he should have identified other targets when he was told there was a limit on what they would pay for him and I believe that he did (Sturridge, Walcott, Sigurdson to a certain extent).
But Dempsey was the player he wanted which is why he cleared the wage bill so dramatically in the space of days, Carroll going, Adam going and Spearing leaving aswell, this was meant to reduce the wage bill to make room for Dempsey but he was let down.

Jay
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Jay mate FSG never gave Dalglish 100M to spend they just gave 30M to spend. Because we sold players so it boosted our kitty. If Rodgers wants to spend near kenny then he needs to sell players like kenny to get 100M to spend.

Dalglis sold players

Torres 50M
Raul 12M
Babel7m
Ngong4m

Rodgers can do same by selling best players eg

Suarez 40M
Agger 20m etc etc thise only the way he can spend money near Dalglish coz thise the way Dalglish spent money. FSG will never spend 100M from their own pockets.

Get it right dalglish wasted the money

13 Nov 2012 18:31:36
Spot on mate we need to sacrifice some of our best players in order to move foward and Rodgers will have chance to build his own team what do you think ed2 {Ed002's Note - Rodgers had a clear out in the summer - one or two players may be available to be sold in January but the priority is to bring a forward in.}

Your rebuttal is flawed. The 4 players you mentioned where not anywhere near our best players. Torres was playing awful when we sold him and Raul was peripheral at best. Plus we did miss the boat at our quick fix of the squad because we won't have 2 unneeded players worth 52mill between them again for a very long time. So, yes, the balance sheet shows that FSG only subplemented the players purchased with 30+ million but they also allowed the 60 mill from player sales to be used even though we made a 50 mill loss that year. So, all said and done King Kenny whom I still love and that demented Commili *did* throw away 100m worth of possible squad enhancement. Rodgers, I feel, would have given us a tremendous team with that same amount of available funds.

SpudRed

It really doesn't matter about net spend. The truth is that he spent that money on some average players and he could have spent that money A LOT wiser and still saved cash. For example, Arda Turan wanted to come to Liverpool and would have cost around 12-15 million but instead he bought Downing for 20 million. There is a quality difference as well as price difference. You have to get the right price for the right quality. Downing's price was too high for the quality that we received.

BthekingB

So kenny never paid 35 for carrol ,20 for downing , 16 for henderson and 6 or 8 on enrique because believe me the clubs never gave them players to us did they , the money was from liverpool football club , it does not matter where it came from does it the fact is, it was not spent wisely , kenny wasted that money we could have got so many very ,very good players , instead of the mediocre ones he bought as jay said the owners will never give huge amounts of money for players again , and as sad as it may seem thats down to kenny , again it does not matter were the money came from , its who we spent it on , imagine putting the money together that we paid for downing and henderson and buying a world class player

13 Nov 2012 18:52:56
If fans are confident with Rodgers taking us back to top than that is only the way we can compete by selling our best players and Rodgers getting chance to spend 100M+ to build his own team as kenny wasted

Bug Rodgers buys are still questionable and he's had 35m. Our team seems worse today than it was last season.
We are in a worse position than we have been in years upon years and yet you all still think Rodgers is a legend.he came out and said 8th or better will be a great season for us. If we don't win a trophy and finish below 7th then that's a drastic season regardless who's in charge. If Kenny or Rafael was in charge this season then you all will be calling for his head but saint Rodgers can do no wrong even though he has limited experience and no proven success. The kids who are successful in our current squad are rafts and he was slaughtered by you lot.

13 Nov 2012 19:10:19
I will be happy with that plan eg

Sale

Suarez 40M
Agger 20M
Downing 8M
Henderson 6M
Total 74M

Owners giving Rodgers 30M

Then Rodgers have 104M to spend and build his team

Buy Damiao 25M still Rodgers will have 79M to spend and we all know he won't waste like kenny infact he will take us to next level. I'm afraid thise is only the way we can move foward

Sell our best players!? No way we need to keep them and keep them happy with results and new worthwhile signings that will improve the squad and get us winning games. Jdog

13 Nov 2012 19:22:44
There is nothing we can do what kenny did but now we have to do the same in order to have another chance to compete in higest level with Rodgers spending 100M+ or else will never be able to compete for champions league places coz owners will never spend their own money required to compete in highest level I agree with orignal poster and the best solution to solve our problems coz Rodger will make our team world class just imagine what he can do with 100M+

13 Nov 2012 20:05:52
Fantastic post. Ed2 buying striker won't solve our problems coz we don't just need striker but world class if not then atleast a class striker and that will coast 20/25M. Wasting another 10-12M like Borini won't solve anything but increase our problems. We have already got lots of pontential players but now we need something special to drive us foward

Here we go again. We do not need to spend 100m. We need to be patient and develop our youth, sell every now and then to raise funds, buy every now and then to fill gaps. Work towards a long term, sustainable and pemanent stucture NOT a quick fix. Look at Leeds if you want to see what happens when you try to buy results and are not financial enough to have a safety net. You should support your club for life not look at it as season by season. There are going to be peaks and troughs but there is not too much better than a comeback even if it takes time, and that is where we are right now. Suck it up and enjoy the ride.

Andy K

13 Nov 2012 21:13:39
Andy K mate It doesn't mean what you say its right or should I follow Rodgers Blindly? How can you say our future is bright plz can you tell me lottery numbers

You don't have to spend 20-25 million this January to bring in a quality striker.
In the next window Llorente, Huntelaar, Sturridge and Walcott would cost roughly between 6-9 million each.

All only have 6 months left on their deals. Not saying we will get any of these but there's talent cheaper than 20-25 million out there.

Jonesred

Man city have spent in excess of £300m on players. It took them 3 yrs to win a trophy. Money does not buy instant success. Building and patience will. This is BR first season in charge,he was left a thin squad, he bought in players like Borini to fill gaps. Rafa bought mediocre players when he first came here. Before we got the Torres,cabins etc. we are not in a position to attract quality players at present. BR knows this,so he's buying players he knows to help out. We really have to look to the summer before BR makes his mark on the squad. This season was always going to be about experimenting,bedding in youngsters etc.

Lee73

 

 

13 Nov 2012 17:48:07
We're out of league cup, Europa exit is sure to follow soon as will probably an early fa cup exit. But it may not be a bad thing this season, as we don't have enough experienced quality in depth in our squad this season. Get rid of the deadwood in jan, and buy quality established players, same in the summer get rid of Carroll and any others who don't make the grade and again buy quality. If next season we can have 15 top players and the rest of the squad is made up of our youngster I think we should be able to mount a decent challenge for the top 4 aswel a long run in each cup. We knew this season was about transition, so y are we screaming BR out. We haven't lost in last 6 in the league, yes we have drawn when we should have won, but it also points to errors made by players and lack of potency from suarez's is supporting cast. jan signings...Walcott and Torres at about 8 mil and 15 mil respectively would be good business. In summer add top df mid, leftback and playermaker. Mvila,santon,issco

Why are we screamin rodgers out ?? how about two wins out of 11 , negative goal difference, and not one player he bought having any input to our season.

We r in decent position in europa to qualify to the next round.can people stop predicting the leagues and cups.

Getting knocked out of cups may not be a bad thing
...come off it Liverpool football club id about winning . Full stop .if its a preseason or a european cup final written play to win.
So kop yourself on.
Marker

Winning cups didn't help Kenny because the league finish was dire and he spent a lot so fans keep saying. Well Rodgers has spent 35m ish and to be blunt his buys rant what they say on the label. Net spend I think there isn't much between Kenny & Brendan but it appears BRAD is doing a fantastic job whilst Kenny blew the money. Go figure!

 

 

13 Nov 2012 17:45:50
Have just had a text message from a friend who says he's heard that someone is in the due diligence process for either buying or inventing in Liverpool. I asked who it was and he said he didn't know if it was one bloke or a consortium but it is Qatari money.

I have no idea if this is true or not so please everyone don't attack me about this, my mate runs a rival Liverpool forum and says he got the info from a regular on the site who works for 5 live.

After the reports about Henry's finances I suppose this could be possible.

Has anyone else heard anything?

Scarface

I haven't heard anything but this could be true . I think FSG are making LFC a very profitable buisness they have brought the wage bill down significantly brought in some very good sponsorship ( standard chartered , Chevrolet , and others ) plus we are 1 of the best supported clubs in world football all this leads too getting the best price possible . I am not saying FSG are going to sell but we could be looking for investors . Any opinions reds ?
YNWA

Jamesy {Ed002's Note - Hicks and Gillett are responsible for Standard Chartered sponsoring the club.}

Yes, been hearing this, or something similar for weeks. FSG did us a favour and effectively saved our club but I don,t think that they realised how big a job it is. Maybe it is just another investor or maybe it a buyout. Very secretive anyways. Source, relative who works in newspapers. That's all
Robbie {Ed002's Note - If FSG were to sell some of their shares in the club to a third party the money goes to them and not to the club. No investor in their right mind would have a minority holding in a business and start throwing money at it - that makes zero sense.}

I have heard something similar.
Henry wants to keep and focus on Redsoxx. He is happy to let Liverpool go at the right price. But only at a good price.
They know football can be a cash drain.
For his generation, it is really not their sport.

RedStormRising

Very surprised if its true, but i suppose you can never say never.

BigD

Yeah but they're complete persons so we'll just ignore that to be fair(about Hicks and Gillette). {Ed002's Note - Why is the truth a problem to you?}

Sorry ed002 it doesn't seem that long ago when we got standard chartered as a sponsor . My bad
YNWA

Jamesy

Even if it is true don't want them happy with current owners. would rather earn it then buy it unless fsg want to sell which i doubt very much.

kumber

Never mind standard chart what about the 25m a year from warrior

 

 

13 Nov 2012 17:36:41
Quick Point
All the players we supposedly missed out on, please add to them
Dempsey
Sigurdsen
Connor wickham
Et Al
So calm down
None of them are pulling up trees and lets be honest wouldn't get in our first eleven...
I don't think there's any value in January purchases, yes saurez was genius, well done commoli, but not sure you can do it twice.
If the right player is not available don't buy the one that is would be my advice, otherwise we could be bemoaning the crap signings above.
Pistol Pete

 

 

13 Nov 2012 17:10:38
Adam you usually talk sense mate but of anyone disagrees with you you don't half throw your toys out of your pram.
What did you get told first hand that was the case about the Segura situation, read it on a social networking site or worse the newspaper. Either way BR knows more about his staff then you can ever dream to, and he obviously took the decision to promote Marsh for a reason or maybe more then one, I don't know, like you I wasn't their. What I do know is that Mike Marsh is obviously a top coach, you don't have to be foreign to be able to coach. He was a very good player as well, very good at the ol pass an move himself.

JohnBoy

13 Nov 2012 18:23:30
Mate mike marsh was promoted cause his knows liverpool in and out rather then ability infact Rodgers brought his own staffs including medical staffs. You need to watch some of Rodgers interview mate

Theirs a lor more of players or ex that know Liverpool in and out as you put it. I don't need to watch and dissect all BR'd interviews to know Mike Marsh obviously has ability as a coach. You don't get to where he is just because 'he's one of the lads' as your implying. I ain't a fly on the wall and don't fill in my own blanks then state em as facts.
JohnBoy

 

 

13 Nov 2012 16:36:56
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is Rodgers top transfer target. He knows Walcott is highly likely to sign a new contract with Arsenal and sees Aubameyang as a better option to make a concerted effort to sign him early on.

Rodgers is also looking for another mobile striker and should they become available at a reasonable cost, he will be interested in: Leandro Damiao, Daniel Sturridge, Loic Remy, and Theo Walcott (highly unlikely). Competition for these strikers will be fierce so it will be a difficult task indeed.

With this in mind, he is considering taking Djibril Cisse on a 2 year contract from QPR (as a backup striker/impact player).

Rodgers has received backing of the board to deploy an assault early on. Hope remains that we can be competitive and that Rodgers can win over his top targets.

Roll on January.
Red Dragon {Ed002's Note -

From the outside it seems
P-E. Aubameyang and W. Bony are our best options for strikers. {Ed002's Note - Don't hold your breath.}

Would like aubamayeng he is pacy and would offer a good attacking option. But would like to see a proven goalscorer aswell who is a clinical finisher. Jdog {Ed002's Note - After a year at St Etienne Aubameyang has attracted the attention of Aston Villa, Spurs and PSG, probably amongst others. He has said in the past the one day his dream would be to return to play with a great Milan side. I don't see him leaving the Geoffroy-Guichard in January.}

 

 

13 Nov 2012 16:29:11
hey guys

what a team we had in 2008/09 season

so i guess we need rogers to build a force as rafa had to do over a few seasons

red lobster

It took you this long to realise that......

Ack17

13 Nov 2012 17:47:18
Rafa won champion leage on his first year

This will never happen because hicks and Gillett spent the clubs money,and fsg won't do this so we will never get that calibre of player again sorry .

 

 

13 Nov 2012 16:10:54
First time i have posted on the website but been looking at it for about 18 months brilliant website thanks for keeping us in the know.

If the owners have any ambition of finishing 4th this season we need to go and break the bank for these 3 players.

Robert Lewandowski (Borussia Dortmund)

Marco Reus (Borussia Dortmund) I know they've only just signed him this season but there's no harm in testing them with a good offer.

Also get in touch with Sami and put a bid in for Stefan Kiesling.

3 class players that would push us onto the next level. Is there any chance Liverpool could be linked with any of them? {Ed002's Note - Lewandowski was watched last year by Liverpool.}

Kiesling possibly, but luring champions league players would be right next to impossible. There does seem to be some good young talent coming from Germany though.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 16:04:09
Torres appears to me, to be like a schoolkid that has lost his confidence. You know the ability is in there, but he is afraid to show it in case a mistake happens and he gets slaughtered in front of the class. He would rather work at 50% and get by than try 100% and get ridiculed.

He has shown many glimpses of his old self, but has withdrawn again almost immediately. Afraid to let go. Afraid to try the things that were his trademark.

He looked dangerous a few times against us. Could have scored with a bending shot to the far post and Jones saved a bullet header from a corner.

I think now, that if you could wind back the clock on the Liverpool Team (to when Rafa was still there) and sign the current Torres for that team, where he is the main man, crowd love him etc you would see the old awesome player again.

The trouble is, Rafa isn't there anymore, the team is different and a lot of the crowd wouldn't be able to forget that he left us in the first place.

13 Nov 2012 16:48:36
Torres will never come back he has always been driven by success rather then money. We are no where near success when he left us we were infact in better position compare to now that is the same reason I think he won't go to athletico. Italy is best option for him unless barca or real want him

It's not a confidence thing, he has lost his pace and that was the thing that made him dangerous. He can no longer get in the positions he used to.
50m was a great price.

MIKEY

Get him back...ppl will soon forget once he starts bangin goals in!!

There is one reason why Torres doesn't score as many goals as he did when he was with us, simple

STEVEN GERRARD

Gerrard made Torres and Torres knows it, he knows he will never play with someone like Gerrard again and thats why he was so appreciative in his comments towards Gerrard last week.

Gerrard was the same with Owen, always seeing his runs, and thats why if Torres really wanted to get his form back he should beg to come back to Liverpool. However he has taken a road which is nearly impossible to turn round!

A sad end to what could have been a glorious career, in which Liverpool were at fault as much as Torres

Evered

 

 

13 Nov 2012 16:02:24
i thik charlie austin would be an ideal signing,with previously being a bricklayer, he could brick the goals up that would help us

Perhaps help with stadium extension, and a few goals. redevon

 

 

13 Nov 2012 15:37:45
Has anyone else ever spent an hour typing out a detailed defence of Rogers tactics and purchases, explaining why the system needs time to bed in with the players, how FSG are trying to make the club competetive without damaging the financial structure, and how we need to be judged in three years time, not after a quarter of a season. And then deleted it thinking "what's the point"? Because I just have.

Lucas Lovechild

Did you delete it because you didn't believe it or because of all the s**t that you are going to get for posting a reasoned argument?

I write one not to long ago and as per usual ignorant fans just don't understand. Just be patient, either the plan fails or it prevails. But untill the end of the season don't expect anything to happen. Apart from maybe '1 or 2' forwards in jan, and a few players on their way out.

Nope we've all got lifes

Haha I know it's not worth the effort on here sometimes.
Just say Rodgers needs time.
Or just go with the flow and ask the eds when Torres is coming back. Lol

MIKEY

In order of appearance:
Because of the abuse.

I'm a glass half full man, so I'll always look for the positives.

So have I, and it's lots of fun.

Can't we have Heskey instead?

Lucas Lovechild

I wish you have posted Lovechild, I would 've loved to read about "how FSG are trying to make the club competitive without damaging the financial structure"

Roy

Gold MIKEY, gold.

Andy K

13 Nov 2012 21:58:41
Yes MIKEY. Just yes. Lmao.
WelshBoyDave

Roy,
The emphasis is on "trying"! I could do a detailed business plan for you with all the incoming/outgoing finances (as i've understood them), but then I'd have to gouge my eyeballs out with a spoon out of boredom.

Lucas Lovechild

 

 

13 Nov 2012 15:35:58
Ed, Seguera leaving was not good, and apparently it was to do with been overlooked for promotion. Are the rumours that Borrel could be on his way out true?
Given the fact we are now seeing our youngsters come through as a result of the work they have been doing the last few years, this would have to be a major Blow.

I really don't think Mike Marsh should of got promoted before Borrell or Pep Seguera! He's only just came back as U18's coach then get's promoted to 1st team coach before the 2 Senor's is wrong! And i don't blame them for leaving if Borrell decide's to leave as well!

Yes it was a huge blow to the youth academy and in the long run the first team also. Something that rafa put together is little by little being destroyed. Rogers needs to sort out the youth academy before its to late. Rodolfo has to stay or be promoted as he's proven to be a huge asset. Mike marsh has not got the credentials to compete with rodolfo yet he's our first team coach. The Spanish sector of liverpool has just been ripped apart. It's a shame as its brought us success.

13 Nov 2012 17:43:01
Maybe one reason rodolfo borrell may of been overlooked for the job well hes been at the highest level with barcelona and brendan rodgers came from swansea (no offence to bren) but u know what i mean! if i was bren i would feel intimidated cause rodolfo is easily more qualified not jus to be first team coach but probably manager if things dont work out with brendan rodgers fingers crossed cause i hope they do! i would defo give rodolfo a shot.

I've has a bad feeling for a while that the last of Rafa's boys are being pushed out and they're lining up Rodolfo's job for the Bootle bluffer

 

 

13 Nov 2012 15:25:09
I really don't get this crap about fsg funding..they went for the short term fix and gave dalglish 100m and failed..now they are thinking long term and gave rodgers 30m and he spent most of it on borini and allen..both I really can't accept..allen is a good player yes but that wasn't where we needed investment..then he buys borini who scored just 9goals in the league in italy..we could have gotten far better with that money..he caused his own problems and he has january to fix them..don't u dare blame fsg for our problems..the issue with demsey started really early in the transfer window,so I feel john henry would have told rodgers they were not willing to pay much for him..but rodgers didn't identify other targets and acts all surprised when we didn't get dempsey at the end of the summer window..this are businessmen we are talking about,so are u trying to tell me rodgers and ian ayre never spoke about signing demsey until the last day of the transfer window..that rubbish rodgers should take responsibility,and I still feel he is the man to take us foward 100%

Hi agree with most of what you said BUT ! allen is LIGHTWEIGH and will end up on the scrapheap same as henderson borini same thing, they could have bought one VERY good one instead of two prospects we have plenty of them.(godin)

Agree that our one shot of getting back into top 4 quickly was when Dalglish was given the £100 million, that was our chance to improve the overall squad and become contenders again.
FSG were never going to make that much money available again so we just have to accept that we had our chance at a quick fix and we blew it.
However, I do have sympathy with Rodgers and the Dempsey deal. I know he should have identified other targets when he was told there was a limit on what they would pay for him and I believe that he did (Sturridge, Walcott, Sigurdson to a certain extent).
But Dempsey was the player he wanted which is why he cleared the wage bill so dramatically in the space of days, Carroll going, Adam going and Spearing leaving aswell, this was meant to reduce the wage bill to make room for Dempsey but he was let down.

Jay

Rodgers is just a chancer pure and simple

You contradict yourself so many times in your post. First you make it sound as if the problem is fsg. Then the problem isn't fsg it's Ian ayre and rogers. Then the problem will take us forward?

It is kenny daglish and David comolli who are at fault for our failings in the summer last season. They bought mediocre players that become even worse when they arrived at a bigger club. This jan should prove to everyone who was at fault for our shortcomings in the recent summer window. If fsg fail to back rogers then they need to go...as simple as that. If rogers fails to bring quality players him then ill question his ambition. When I say quality I mean players that can be consistent and clinical...not borini for £11mill.

Wake up and smell the coffee. what quality players would want to sign for us at the moment? It's going to be a hard long time before we get back to where we used to be, and the sooner you understand that the better

I personally dont believe that it is a matter of whether 'quality' players are willing to sign but rather are we willing to pay for them. I truly believe that top players would still be willing to sign but that we are not willing to pay the asking price for many. This is not a critisism of FSG at all, it is just the model we are working with.

Andy K

 

 

13 Nov 2012 15:02:47
Our form right now is absolutely incredible, I mean we are looking on fire!, Two whole wins in two months, Don't think the best of the best could even pull that off. Good job lads!

Not sure if that was meant to sound funny or r*******...

AsianRed

The other way of looking at it is we are un-beaten in 2 months. Both are equally stupid things to say.

We are re-building, we are not goin to be winning every game. After 3 tough games and some poor referee decisions I dnt think we are in too bad a position.

It is the next 2 months however which are crucial and will define our season with 7/12 of our nxt opponents in the bottom half of the table.

RedChris

Dont try to be so clever

Think it was the latter mate. Guess it was from a bitter or a Manc.
My own view is we are playing well. On one hand we could go through the rest of the season unbeaten but we could just as easily not win any games. We are becoming a team that is difficult to beat but what we need to be is one that is hard to stop from winning. Some key players are needed so that we have a squad and we can bring players on to the pitch who will do the job that is required in certain games. Won't mention names but at the weekend we saw teams who had the players to bring on to make the difference. We are not there yet and we couldn't be expected to be at this stage of our development. The squad is just too thin at the moment and BR is correct, it is not that we are not good enough. I tend to believe BR will develop a squad with the correct blend, but it will take a little time.

Kev1950

 

 

13 Nov 2012 14:56:30
As a burnley based Liverpool fan i can honestly say Im not entirely sure Charlie he used to build walls Austin is the player we need. The guy is old school, he lacks blistering pace skill and touch at times. However he is always in the right place at the right time which is a skill in itself.
I watched him make his debut and balked that we paid 1 million for him as he looked gash, but now look at him he has come on leaps and bounds. What i will say is at every level he has played at he's coped,he might just have it in him to do it for the red men.


Randy Watson

Austin is the type of player Aston villa, Norwich or reading go for. What are these clubs ambitions. What is out ambition?
We need much better quality in order to achieve our ambitions. Better targets are Walcott, sturrige, hooper or aubameyang.

Austin is better than sturridge

 

 

13 Nov 2012 14:39:21
I know this is gonig to becontroversial and what ifs? but oh well. Lets just list all the things that have cost us points.

West Brom - Agger red. In my opinion wrong. Skrtel penalty (Wrong)

Man City - Skrtel and Kelly simple mistakes.

Man U - Suarez no pen (wrong), Valenica pen (wrong), Shelvey red (wrong)

Young boys - Enrique mistake for at least two of the goals.

Norwich - Skrtel slipped, Reina fumbled, Suarez denied another penalty!

Udinese - Shelvey misses open goal from a yard, Udinese hit on the break and score to make it 2-1. Coates own goal.

Stoke - countless missed chances

Reading - countless missed chances

Everton - scored after throw in (wrong), Suarez goal ruled out (wrong)

Swansea - bad tactics, slow defenders against pacey forwards with midfielders for wing backs..

Newcastle - Enrique mistake, never let Ben arfa run

Anzhi - Jones mistake, stay on line

Chelsea - Webb intercepts, and Chelsea go on to score from the exact attack he caused.

Thats 12 games i feel we have underachieved due to individual mistakes, bad luck, or ref howlers.

All those games could've have been much better results.

Time for some luck, I think on current form (last 6 games) we're 4th best in the league. Post on teams shows it.

Sorry for length, just wanted to point a few things out to doom and gloomers.

YNWA! (Adam)

What about our goal against everton when sterling dived? we are just having a bad run of games nothing more.

Or how about we just plain suck.. ever think of that. We've beat Norwich and Reading. In 3 months. Make all the excuses you want, I'm just being realistic here.

That's football though mate. I doubt there is a team in the league who couldn't make a list like that.
You can't keep blaming everyone else, our team needs to be good enough to score enough goals to make these little things not costly.
Teams like the Manchester clubs and Chelsea have little set backs in games but you don't hear their fans moan about them because the team just gets on with it and makes it not matter anyway.
The problem is we don't score enough goals, we only have one striker and we are no longer solid at the back.
Hopefully Enrique can get back to form, and Lucas will be back. That should sort out our leaky defence.
We should buy another striker in January plus borini will be back.
Hopefully that will make the world of difference and we fans won't have to super analyse every single decision that doesn't go our way.
Nobody ever complains when a decision does go our way. (Suarez header the other day)

MIKEY

We are running a risk of feeling sorry for our selves here but I do believe we have had unbelievable bad luck in the last few weeks.
The disallowed derby goal is an example, on the same weekend United have a goal against Chelsea allowed when Hernandez was offside.
United at home is another example, Suarez being denied a penalty then Valencia being given one for a similar incident.
I do believe these things balance out over the season though so we should be in for a few months of good fortune considering how many times we hit the post or bar last season as well.

Jay

But we got 3 points at young boys, Norwich and reading?

Enrique made one mistake against young boys, the first goal.

The Newcastle goal was a pure class striker from cabaye and if anything wisdom should have closed him down instead of watch him in ore.

Very bad excuses from a so called fan. The only games where we were unlukey to get any points. Manchester United we should've at least got a point but you know SAF always gets his way. Everton, no doubt we should have got 3 points. So without the obvious mistakes made by officials we would be 3 points better off with 15 points in total.

As MIKEY mentioned above, dont forget our equaliser against Chelsea was a foul, blatant one.
So yes they do balance over time.
Roy

Bless, poor ickle Liverpool being picked on by those nasty weferees. This is why you get stick...

Here! There was 30 odd shots that hit the woodwork last year that might have won us the league if they had went in and Kenny might have got a knighthood. Oh, what ifs!

The Irish Rover

 

 

13 Nov 2012 14:23:23
I read this on a swedish forum and i hope and think its taken out of the blue, so please but my mind at ease;

Borrel will leave our club and be replacet in january, and the dumbest of all was that he said Bellamy will take his position..

I know Bellers is under contract but i fear the first part might have something to it, after all he is doing a amazing job!

The Rob.

13 Nov 2012 14:41:47
Mate I sayed before and I'm saying again Borrel will leave soon. He and segura weren't happy by Rodgers decission to promote mike marsh for senior team

Rodolfo should be first team coach, not mike marsh. When rodolfo leaves our academy will not be as good and will produce less first team talent.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 14:09:30
FERNANDO TORRES

A striker extremely low on confidence currently. He is not and never again will be the phenom who graced and dazzled us not so long ago with his elegant touch, lightning speed, pace, power, genius and unparalleled finishing ability.

However, he remains a dangerous striker who, with confidence, is easily capable of getting 15+ league goals a season.
Additionally, he is much more of a team player now and his all-round game has improved significantly.
He moves a lot now in between the middle and the wide areas.

I've just described more or less the forward Brendan wants.
This will sure irk many red men, but bugger it! I'd take Torres back in a sec... for no more than 15m.
As I've said, he still has 15+ goals in him.

In any case, his much improved all-round play makes him a good fit for our new way of playing. He works much harder off the ball now and can interchange well.
Didi's right, very much so.
If there's a place that can help the lad get up again, it's Anfield.
I always felt that the Kop, Anfield, were the fire in his belly... and when he left that fire died.

People should remember that, though Nando's last six months with us were way below par (by his standards), it was still better than anything he's done for Chelsea.
After Dalglish came in in the interim after the absolutely nightmarish Hodgson Horror Show, the lad was starting to pick up some form and was getting goals.

I say again, at 15m, Torres is a MUST. At the very least, consideration should be given to the idea.
However, and I guess this renders this whole post entirely pointless, his wages would put pay to any possibility of any move to LFC.
So yeah, a pointless post then.

Duidierewns

Excellent post...i do.stand by you..on his day..he is still as deadly asu get..
and common..he is far far better than what we got..actually we dont have any..
with gerrard sterling and suarez behind him..torres will fire all cylinders..
i would take him back..
if we have forgived..owen, torres is ure to be considerd..
he wanted to win things..and he went...
but mistakes happens...
i would take him back..as the new no.9..
35 mill on caroll can be justified...if then torres return can be easily justified...

got a feeling..he needs us more than we needs him..
an angry, hungry torres will light anfield once again..
the era he established with his fellow spaniards will never be forgotten..
still considers his point blank header against chelsea in the 85 th min at anfield..
and the execptional header against portsmouth at 90th min..
was just genius...

YNWA

If sturrdige cost 15 mill
torres is miles ahead of sturrdge..
its not always age which matters..

"with gerrard sterling and suarez behind him..torres will fire all cylinders.." YEP, because if Mata, Hazard & Oscar can't do it, Those three will.... NAT.

Torres is not coming back.
These posts should get you an automatic ban.

MIKEY

I do think that he do'snt want to be at Stamford Bridge! And it's the worst kept secret down there that he would crawl back to Anfield! I think that Di Matteo took Torres off to show him the abuse he'd receive from the travelling Red's to try and deter him from wanting to become a Red again! As he was walking off he kept looking at the Red army a bit bemused! As with him coming out just recently saying LFC is still a major part of his life his son being a scouser and the debt he owe's LFC i think there's something in the Nando returning storie's!Form is temporary class is permanent! If he did stay with us he was well on the way to becoming one of the greatest striker's to ever wear the Red shirt! He broke all kind's record's in a Red shirt!

We need to get over Torres, its been nearly two years. He turned his back on us when we needed some loyalty and it has backfired.
Look at him now he is in a blue shirt and you see his true personality, someone who looks like they would rather be anywhere else than a football field, constantly moans about decisions and doesn't care about the team.
It only looks like his all round game has improved coz he always passes coz he cant finish. He links play coz he doesn't want to get in the box and lead the line.

Jay

Torres is and will never be a liverpool player or even a quality striker. Gerrard and Torres was an awesome partnership but is gerrard the same player? Suarez is far to selfish and torres would want the stage light on him. Suarez is a class above Torres so that will not happen. Torres has recognised he is unwelcome at lfc. When he came off last Sunday his emotions showed everything.

Its hard to turn back the hands of time, but imagine a Torres-Suarez combo!!
You're right, I'll take Torres back anytime anyday.
But isn't that just a wish? Will it ever happen??

Why would he want to go back to Liverpool? The club where they burnt his shirt on live television, and furthermore aren't challenging for anything!

PR!

 

 

13 Nov 2012 13:16:13
hi eds ,keep up the good work,just wondering are we gona sign more than one player in jan,,i know there are players linked,but who do you think will come in realisticly,,cheers irish red {Ed002's Note - I would expect a couple of players to arrive - particularly a striker.}

 

 

13 Nov 2012 13:11:55
'Keith'
'7ER'

No, fellas, I wasn't suggesting that we bring in a DOF to play master to Brendan.
Rodgers is against the concept, he made that clearly from the outset.

My point's that FSG's starting point should have been roping in someone in a similar capacity to Gill at United and Levy at Spurs.
Ian Ayr is our equivalent of those blokes and he's quiet frankly out of his depth, totally and utterly clueless.

Too many ifs, I know, but had the first appointment been a proper footballing chief like, say, David Dein, I've NO DOUBT in my mind that the inept and trouble-making Comoli would never have gotten even 100 miles from our club.
Any football chief worth his salt wouldn't have touched the scoundrel with a barge pole.

But, as we all have seen with our very own eyes and as the geezers themselves have admitted as much, Henry, Werner and their good buddy, biker boy Ian Ayr, FSG aren't football chiefs, and they most certainly aren't worth their salt in this particular respect.

So I feel a David Dein-like head, NOT DOF, is exactly what we needed then, and definitely need now.
A DOF isn't a must, if a prefered option at all. Gill and Ferguson worked together well for years now and their successes speak for themselves.
So I don't think it's important that a club like Liverpool must have a DOF.

Duidierewns

Still don't see it happening.
7ER

Nor do I, but let's see how it goes in the next two transfer windows. Rafa didn't want or need one did he?

Keith

 

 

13 Nov 2012 12:31:34
Where is Pep Segura these days? Has he moved to Spain?

BthekingB

13 Nov 2012 13:20:17
Rodgers made the mistake of promoting Marsh from under Segura, which left him feeling aggrieved and udermined. So he left.

The loss of Segura will seriously hurt our accademy. As much as the loss of Clarke has hurt our defence..

YNWA! (Adam)

How do you know promoting NMarsh ahead of Segura was a mistake? Perhaps Marsh understood Rodgers's pholosophy and thinking and was more willing and able to put it into practice. RED LENIN

13 Nov 2012 14:23:54
Rodgers said himself that his reason for promoting Marsh was because he was die hard Liverpool and had been with the club longer.

Segura is far more tactically superior, and has far more extensive footballing knowledge. If he'd promoted Segura, would Marsh have left? No. So by choosing the wrong guy, he lost the better guy.

If you can't see that losing a former Barcelona accademy director is a mistake, then this discussion is pointless.

Rodgers promoted the wrong guy.

YNWA! (Adam)

13 Nov 2012 14:26:42
And by the way, If your suggesting a scouse coach, understands the Spanish tiki taka philosophy more than a man who helped found it at Barcelona, and imposed on our entire accademy.... My god, you'd certianly be a lost cause, if that were the case.

YNWA! (Adam)

It's my guess that Rodgers just wants to surround himself with yes men.

It's like certain people want lfc to fail. Segura or rodolfo would have been much better first team coaches. I can't Help but feel none of this would have happened with Benitez at the helm. Still at the end of the season we will see where lfc is at. Rogers is to much heart no brain. Just because marsh is from liverpool he's a better option to segura who built the foundations at barca... Again it's like there is a curse at lfc.

It's not that simple... Segura understands tiki taka and Barcelona... Marsh understands pass and move and Liverpool - same thing. One is a lecturer one is student... Rodgers is the boss and chose to promote the student, the other didn't like it and left does that same something about attitude? Anyway Rodgers isnt going to let the system fall apart it's fundamental to FSG policy! I don't think the Marsh appointment was necessarily wrong because Segura has sexier credentials.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 12:21:07
Eds,

I would imagine that the names mentioned in the papers like Pearse, Sturridge, Walcott etc are likely to say the least, however, I believe that the management team will keep everything under wraps until a signature is obtained (like the Assaidi transfer), do you agree?
Also, I believe that the only postion which needs to be filled is a goalscorer, ideally a player who can play anywhere in attack like striker, winger no.10 etc. I think the team is fairly solid elsewhere, what do you think? (Sorry about the essay!)

D16Red

YNWA

Either we train Henderson to play CDM, or we get a CDM. Lucas being out is not healthy for us.

Kaizer

We trained Lucas to be a defensive midfielder as he was an attacking midfielder when we signed him! So if Henderson want's to stay here then training him up as a defensive midfielder is very viable!

I dont remember which game i saw, but Henderson looks comfortable playing that role, keeping it simple, short passes, maintaining possession. i dont see any reason why we shouldnt give it a try.

Kaizer

 

 

13 Nov 2012 12:10:44
Is there any chance of Wilfred Bony arriving in January? {Ed002's Note - I would not think so.}

 

 

13 Nov 2012 11:43:23
Heard that Torres had asked CFC about the possibility of rejoining LFC. Chelsea are open to cutting their losses if they can get Falcoa. Brendan also open to idea. Eds have you heard anything regarding Torres request?

LFC82 {Ed002's Note - No.}

This is no more than wishful thinking

LFC could no longer afford torres wages

And Unless Chelsea find a club who will match Torres wages he's going nowhere and will see out his contract at chelsea

Its very hard to get a contract like the one Torres has a chelsea why should he give it up, for the craic maybe?

The Bells

Athletico are second in the league and playing great stuff,Falcao will be going no where in january
NAVANRED

^ Was going to press the agree button but money talk's! And with Spain's finance's being as bad as Greece's then if Atletico get a big offer then they'll probably take it!

Why would we want him back for, he's useless.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 11:40:38
EDs... If available and if we're interested, would Charlie Austin be good enough for Liverpool?

Gibzkit. {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, sorry.}

Steve Austin would be good enough - give me a hell no!

Id rather the bionic man

R u talking about the wrestler or the Bionic man? Either way the are both work 6 million

 

 

13 Nov 2012 11:39:34
Just wondered if the Ed's (or anybody else for that matter) knew if we have scouted any goalkeepers this season? Thanks. {Ed002's Note - I am not aware that the club has.}

Young German Internaional keeper Kevin Trapp who plays for Frankfurt is being watched by a lot of Clubs.
kidmillions

 

 

13 nov 2012 11:06:44
everybody saying about potential targets that are clearly never going to happen, and then saying we support br and fsg in the long term, but if you want these big name targets, fsg is the wrong ownership, we would of been better off with kenny huang or dubai international capital running the club as they would have thrown money at the transfer market to make sure we get champs league every season, and we would see player like cavani, damiao, llorente, maybe even sneijder, coentrao, hulk, gotze, hazard etc because we would have champs league football and massive wage budget to attract these players, as it happens, we've gone from finishing 2nd 3 years ago, to struggling to stay in the top 10 in such a short space of time there is no excuse for that. this club needs money we need to face the reality

Buddy, you obviously have no clue. Dubai has been in financial troubles for the last 2 years, with big debt restructurings. There is no way they could have splashed the cash on transfers. Thank your lucky stars that FSG is there. {Ed002's Note - You might want to explain about Kenny Huang as well - where is Blair when you nee him?}

So give them loads of money then, problem solved. If you want to support a club with untold riches, that have bought success instead of earning it, Chelsea or Man City look like a good fit.

If you are really an LFC supporter, you will have to be a bit more patient, I am afraid. It really is as simple as that. Oh, and try and support them on the way.

Nick

Forget net spend etc kenny wasted hundred million. Fenway spent 300 million saving club from administration and lost 50 million in year 1 accounts. Dont think the city sheik has spent that much. 15 mill jo allen 10 borini and loan fee for sahin. Fenway backed rogers face facts dead wood squad members reduced wage bill previously based on champs league revenue which is for now not possible. Club has to start from scratch. Paul c. Ps i support everton jft96

13 Nov 2012 11:50:11
We should forget top4 for few years then everything will be fine. FSG invested in wrong sport cause there are very very few clubs who make profits even the likes of Barca or Madrid don't make profits. When you sell club that is the time to make profit but hey what do I know in short there are trying to run our club like American sport. There is a reason why american owners are disliked in epl look at Astonvilla or united anyways feel sory for Rodgers

The original poster is both right and wrong


All the other possible owners he/she has mentioned would also be bad owners just like FSG.


We need plenty of investment and an Abramovich or Mansour type character, as owner, the problem is - there are very few of these people around.

The Bells

The OP have a valid point. Many of you in these pages philosophise and take the higher moral ground about earning success not buying it , which is noble but then you have to stop all these posts of buying 30m+ players because you should know by now FSG wont be spending like this any more, to be fair to them they tried to splash the cash and back fired big way. They will not be spending 35m on a single player again, I doubt if they 'll net spend anything like 35m in one transfer window.
And you should also stop with the league title is ours in 2/3/4 years, we building for the future blah blah .. any one with half a brain know it wont happen in the EPL, history and stats dont lie and they tell us to win the PL you need money; bucket loads of it. Look back in history when Leeds were close they spent loads, same with Newcastle , Blackburn, even Arsene started spending before he was even officially in charge. Chelsea stopped spending for a couple of years ended up being 6th.
At the moment Arsenal and Spurs are in a much better position than us , but they have more chance in winning the world cup than the premier league.

I wanted a sugar daddy owner, did n't happen, we got "responsible" owners instead which is fine, as long as they keep supporting the manager so he can keep us in Europa at least and actually go ahead and expand the stadium, then I am content with that. I have no illusions that Messi will join us any time soon or that Sterling will be lefting the premium league trophy wearing a Liverpool shirt.

Roy

People need to read the article on j w henry and how hes had to pay monies back to clients god help us

 

 

13 Nov 2012 10:03:14
The January transfer window. Only used by clubs in sheer desperate need or by clubs looking to bulk up their squad with the odd addition , mainly due to injuries.

The likes of QPR are the clubs that cannot wait for the window to open, desperate to get fresh blood in, in a vain attempt to change fortunes and yet Liverpool fans, yet again salivating for the window to burst open.

Have we learned anything from the last window? It makes little difference what your point of view is from the summer transfer window. It was an absolute farce. You could point a finger at either the manager, the owners or both but you are pointing a finger.

The decision to let Carroll out on loan before getting a replacement in was quite frankly a joke. That lies with the manager. The work undertaken to get a replacement in was naive and unacceptable. That lies with the owners/CEO.

I've already had a bee in my bonnet for many years in this regard after years of watching *rick Parry just systematically ruin deals to bring top class players into the club. Players that would have undoubtedly improved the team no end.

To have the Konchesky deal rammed down the throat over the weekend when it was repeated that that young winger for Fulham(cant spell his name) was the makeweight in that deal just makes you shake your head. On and on it has gone.

Everyone could clearly see we didnt need one striker we needed two this season. Most top clubs over the last 6/7 years have tried to get 4. Look at the mancs, both of them. Tevez, Aguero, Dzeko, Balotelli, Rooney, RVP, Hernandez, Wellbeck.

We actually got rid of one, replaced with Borini (he is for another time btw) and that's it leaving us with Suarez, Borini. In a system where the manager wants to play 4-3-3.....allegedly.

So we're now desperate, everyone knows it, the owners wont be held to ransom like the other summer and have gone the other way and yet i still hear fans saying 'we're going to buy Llorente, Huntelaar....etc' No we wont be.

Be careful what you wish for. We need a striker. Aston Villa cannot wait for the window to open to offload Darren Bent. A marriage made in hell.

That or lots of Rodgers pontificating in public and ultimately we get nowt. FSG need to prove themselves in this window but they cant as the players we need are CL quality and in the CL and wont come to us anyway. Yep lose-lose. They only have themselves to blame.

Bob the Red trying to find his rose tinted glasses because he doesn't like the reality

Some January signings we've made in recent windows: Suarez, Maxi, Skrtel, Mascherano, Arbeloa. Sure there's a tinge of desperation about it this time around, but there's no reason why just because it's January we can't make a good signing or two this window.

DP

No - the joke was ever signing Carroll in the first place

Puzzled

I wont blame the manager for the Carroll/Dempsey fiasco. Brendan let Carroll go thinking he is getting Dempsey , the owners at the last day / hour decided to offer Fulham way below the asking price knowing there were other offers for him and Fulham were n't exactly too keen negotiating with Liverpool after the press shambles early on in the summer.
Our lack of strikers is purely down to the owners/maybe CEO being naive and plain stupid.
Roy

Boo-hoo, Bob, someone give that man a hug

cozinoz

 

 

13 Nov 2012 09:57:58
Just got football manager and I can't believe the transfer budget 3 million what am I supposed to do with that. Anyone else got the game need some advice I knew things would be tight but 3 million is a joke.

Red raj

3 mil is realistic, that's how much we offered for Dempsey.

BthekingB

You will have to sell someone

What u meant to do with a tight budget and a squad desperate for more quality ask Brendan rodgers

Red Raj

1.make sure you skip the meetings at the beginning and go straight to the boardroom meeting, then push the transfer budget right up then ask for a bigger wage budget.

2. when Werner agrees push the transfer budget right up to the fullest (12m).

3.Then retire yes retire, then re-enter your manager and repeat this until they refuse to give anymore, should be around 37m.

4.Then retire again and then take part in the meeting and say you aren't happy with the wage budget. Then say your ambition is a title challenge when asked.

5.Then keep retiring and rentering your character and repeat this process. I did it and I've ended up with over 300m to spend and over 2m in wage budget.
Hope this helps.

MikeyRed92

There is a cheat I can reveal: Go into FM options, add manager, add city or Barcelona and get them to buy your fringe player (joe cole) them retire the manager of that club and hey presto you have a bigger budget. You can also do more with this option but i'll explain some other time.

Lil Red

 

 

13 Nov 2012 09:44:02
Sahin has really disappointed so far this season especially in his last 5 appearances. Considering what we went through to sign him. I'm glad we didn't get Dempsey or sigurdson they've also been very ordinary for Tottenham.

But u have to think, that sigurdsson and/or dempsey could be different under BR, just a thought, different system n stuff. im not saying they will be better under BR, but what im saying is, sometimes a good player would look like a bad or a normal player, when he is playing in a system that doesnt suit him. also i havent watched them play for spurs, so im not saying i do know what system their playing, im just u know, just sayin.

Kaizer

 

 

13 Nov 2012 09:40:20
Few observations

1. The point on Sunday was welcome. I'd have happily taken it before the game.

2. Lucas' return can't come soon enough. Gerrard is no longer automatic starting material. Sahin, below par fitness and (subsequently) form. We may not see the best of him until likely after January. Allen's best/worst we'll see when Lucas' back.

I'd say the jury remains well out on Allen and Sahin. Only when Lucas has returned, everyone's playing in their position, duties are clearly defined and we have a settled midfield can we say whether they are the real deals or pants.

3. Brendan Rodgers HAS to give Sterling adequate rest. Regardless whether or not the kid is peeved with it and even if it means playing woeful Downing. We can ill-afford to burn out and crock the kid up for mere short-term gain.
His health comes BEFORE ALL ELSE.

4. FSG have proven themselves increasingly inept. By their own admission, they are utterly clueless about football. The multi-million £ Dalglish debacle, Comoli and, more recently, Dempsey fiasco, are some of the many manifestations of their ineptitude.

Acutely aware of their utter cluelessness about the game, logically, the very first thing they should have done was appoint a proper, reputable footballing head/chairman/CEO (i.e. David Dein).
Had they done that, chances are that the prehistoric Dalglish would never have gotten the job, an esteemed DOF would have been roped in (i.e. Txiki Berigistain) and FSG's 'project' would be two seasons in now. And yes, Downing, Adam and Hendersen would in all likelihood have never been bought.

I fully put all blame on FSG. It was their failure to immediately bring in a proper footballing head and that sentimental decision to indulge fans' whims by appointing Kenny, a moment of extreme weakness. And that triggered the chain of events and sees us where we are right now.
It all goes back to John Henry and Thomas Werner.

5. Much is being said about January and 'new players'. Sure, January will come, no doubt, but 'new players', I wouldn't hold your breath.
Dalglish and Comoli badly burnt their fingers and now they have only mugs to piss in.

We are told that, by ed002, among many, that the owners were 'supportive' of Brendan Rodgers last summer and Liverpool was in the 'top 10' spenders worldwide.
Let's see. LFC brought in Joe Allen, Fabio Borini, Oussama Assaidi and Samed Yesil for a combined 30m.

Putting the players aside for now, does anyone believe, genuinely believe that 30m was sufficient to improve the side enough for a top 4/5 challenge?
Given the need for initially two strikers, a winger, and two midfielders, was 30m going to be enough to bring in players of the required standard at wages we could afford?

From the pursuit of Tello/Dempsey, Sturridge and Sigudson, we knew that Rodgers wanted three more players in addition to those he brought in.
Was the 'top 10' 30m that people keep banging on about going to be enough for this?

Nonsense. That was NOWHERE near enough support to turn around the expensive wreck he inherited from Kenny.
For whatever reason, Brendan Rodgers wasn't satisfactorily supported. The departures of Maxi, Bellamy and Kuyt, which he could do nothing about, didn't help either.

We now find ourselves in the perilous, very stupid position of having only one healthy senior striker. All this because of the ineptitude and stupidity of FSG's actions, or lack thereof in some instances.

And until Henry and Werner get their act together, this won't be the last rubbishstorm we confronted with.
By 'get their act together' I don't mean throwing large sums of money at players, no. Getting in a proper, esteemed footballing head, and removing Ayr and his ilk from that position, is foremost, presently.

The Dempsey issue/deadline day debacle, for instance, was far more embarassing and damaging than most realised, and never again shall we see a repeat of it or anything even resembling it.
It wasn't at all nice seeing Henry having to write 'open letters' explaining a matter he in the first place shouldn't even be near.

It's his 'men on the ground' who should be handling this. FSG shouldn't have to come out addressing every issue that actually should be easily dealt with by those to whom they've delegated.
It says that the 'men on the ground' are failing and failing spectacularly.

I think John Henry and Thomas are good sport-loving people who genuinely have good intentions for our club. I'm willing and happy to give them the support and scope they need to take us back up again.

However, they need to stop doing a disservice to themselves and actually start helping themselves.
The first and foremost thing to do, imho anyway, is rope in a proper footballing head (a la David Dein) to work with Brendan and run things for them.
So many damaging decisions have been made the past 18 or so months. It cannot go on no more.
Sort it out.

Duidierewns

Longer than a Steve Parker post!
I agree with some of what you said - particularly about the new Zaha - Raheem Sterling - !!
Don't agree with your savaging of FSG: the idea of bringing in a proper executive that BR would have to report to is not what I think BR wanted. After all, he didn't want a head of football or director of football or chief executive football person above him, did he?

7ER

Agree 100%. a club in LFc position would really benefit from having a DOF. FSG have been known to favour this model which makes me think BR may have chosen not to work with one

Brendan, utd and genral football nut

Agree with most points but you are putting way too much blame on the owners. They have already spent enough to show their commitment. BR is mainly responsible for the striker fiasco. Andy Carol is definitely better than Mr. No Striker At All.

Is Brendan willing to work with a footballing head like Dein, do we know?

I still believe we will get there in a few years time, but that at the end of the day, is the problem. It's been what 23 years since we've won the League and even someone like me (who is pretty patient) is struggling with being told it could be 2-3 years before we will be challenging. I've been through the successful years (being 48) and it hurts to not see us up there each year. I know it won't happen this season, too far behind already sadly, but with the right support from FSG, hopefully it soon will. The owners and management need to learn from their mistakes quickly, as we are still playing catchup, where others are pulling away.

Keith

Maybe fsg were niave more so than guilty but at this level its something u cannot afford one bitten only time will tell but they have to move on and raise the bar where transfer funds are concerned

"The Dempsey issue/deadline day debacle, for instance, was far more embarassing and damaging than most realised, and never again shall we see a repeat of it or anything even resembling it."

It was hardly Hiroshima.

Get a grip man.

BJH YNWA

 

 

13 Nov 2012 09:18:02
Eds I have seen you say that the players did no celebrate with Suarez as they were celebrating with carragher, I really don't believe that is the case - I have played at a range of levels and I know no matter what level it is if a player gets a late equaliser the whole squad will go and celebrate with them, the celebrations tend to be OTT too. Why would carra not celebrate with Suarez? what's his excuse? I admire your positive thoughts eds buts its obvious something is up here. I hope it's nothing major - but no way would players celebrate with the guy who gives the assist not the goal scorer no matter how long it's been since hes contributed to a goal. I'm not saying they didn't celebrate with carra - my thoughts are the players not even acknowledging Suarez, he looked deviated. Red Rom {Ed001's Note - don't be silly, Carra was being swamped, there was no issue there. You are forgetting just how long it has been since Carra was involved in any kind of goal scoring chance.}

The Quality of the assist was way better than the finish..in a way it was Carraghers moment. Albino Penguin

I think the hug between Stevie G and Suarez after the whistle showed that there are no issues. {Ed002's Note - Tongues?}

I amazed at all the numpties that are trying to make a story out of a non-story.
Not only has it been done so many times already (heard of using the search function at all - anyone?), but if you actually watch all the players rushed to congratulate JC for the assist (his first in about 3-4 years if I remember right).
There are no issues with Suarez and the rest of the team/squad.

There's no smoke without fire here - consider this:
Only 769 boys surrounded Suarez's car at training last month asking for an autograph.
Lucas did not speak to Suarez for 49 minutes last week.
Suarez lives 18 miles from another LFC player.
Suarez is not followed on Twitter by Tommy Smith.
This all adds up to the current squad not being happy with Suarez ..................... doesn't it?

7ER

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More like boots to asses

 

 

13 Nov 2012 08:41:22
BEWARE - THIS MIGHT HAPPEN TO RAHEEM STERLING!

Great to hear the news about Wilfried Zaha. According to the media reports there are so many football experts and pundits lauding this truly amazing and utterly outstanding footballer. I was particularly exited to read that he "is one of the world's most untapped talents and probably the greatest Under 21 player there has been in the game since 1963." The radio experts have kept us fully informed telling us Zaha is "possibly better than Lionel Messi and as good as 6 van Persies - this is a player who will be worth £200 million within three months. A legend in the game!" My bet is that it will be a straight fight between Manchester City, Real Madrid and Google for his signature on a £600 million transfer for this "utter genius and legend of the game."

The only slight dissapointment is that the 800 page (illustrated) history of his life is not available until January. Better news is that Hollywood have offered £145 million for the rights to his life story and rumours are that Spielberg is directing a $350 million Hollywwod biopic on this amazing talent and that Sir Ian McKellen will play Ian Hollway, with Tom Cruise as his agent and Will Smith, Denzel Washington and Beyonce all rumoured to be in for the lead part of Zaha .........

........... and this is what will happen to Raheem Sterling when the hype really kicks in.

7ER

I'am lost what will happen in simple english?

 

 

13 Nov 2012 07:35:07
Hi Eds. This isn't a Liverpool question, I want to pick your brains if I could please?

I'm browsing the a website website and I was looking for Bas Dost to see how he was doing, well I didn't know he'd moved to Wolfsburg, but what surprises me, is a website "transfer fee" listed for him...

Heerenveen - Wolfsburg on 2 Jul 2012 for£ 64,323,841... Is that the correct figure, if so... What the..? {Ed001's Note - no, it was only about £6m, they must have made a mistake when putting in the figure to convert it from Euros.}

Thank you for clearing that up Ed1.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 05:45:26
i dont understand how we are losing 50mil a year?
the new owners cleared the dept.
we got 2 kids on the wing and 1 striker and 60% of the back up are kids too.
if we sell cole henderson downing we will spend the money coming in and simliar wages on the new players.
were are we losing all that money,i dont get it.
ed? {Ed001's Note - low income, high outgoings. It is not just players that cost money.}
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Mate there is nothing to worry more then 40M were spend on stanely park project which owners decided to scrap the plan so they had to pay 40M for legal issues more then 8.5M were payed to sack Hodgson and his staffs. That's how 50M lose happen. 50M lose will never happen again

Ed001, are you insane or joking? Low income? LFC have the 8th highest income in the world of football! I bet we don't have the 8th highest outgoings!

At least the 2nd poster gave a worthwhile explaination. {Ed002's Note - The bottom line is that Liverpool has lost £50M for each of the first two years under the new ownership.}

Well Aquilani did not help, Carroll, Downing Henderson, Cole, Spearing all need to be sold to buy someone decent. They will take a loss on these as well

It is beyond belief over the past few years what has happened. Look at who left. Alonso, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Kuyt, Maxi, Benayoun, and Torres. Even Babel and Ngog. And they were replaced with total rubbish or no one at all (suarez being the exception) If you sell Top class players you cannot replace them with bargain basement or no one and expect the same results. If we do not get results we do not get revenue.

On top of this you have an LFC shop which has no adequate descriptions of the items for sale, no material listings, no measurements of the items, a kit designer who appears to be having some sort of breakdown (this is the only explanation for that stupid ring around the shoulders of the 2nd kit and explosion in a paint factory for the third)

Paying for plans for a stadium that is no longer going to be built, hiring managers and subsequently paying them off to leave.

I am surprised it is not more than 50 million loss

Yvonne

Ed001 isn't joking nor insane (that I know of), the term low income is relative. Up until the recent past Liverpool has been involved in the CL which brings in significant income and the budget was set accordingly. You remove that and the house of cards can begin to collapse (see Leeds, admittedly there were other factors there too). So compared to Liverpool's budget expenses their income has been low in the past couple of seasons. This is not a complete picture as the finances of a club can become rather complex.

 

 

13 Nov 2012 04:11:31
I know we currently have a manager and i don't want to get rid of him but some part of me wishes that some day Hyppia might return to manage the club that would be amazing in my eyes don't what the rest of the people think any opinions?

 

 

13 Nov 2012 03:38:51
Hi Eds...There has been debate about how much money Liverpool have to spend in every transfer window. And lately, people are saying that we don't have that much to spend, especially in January. My question is, IF we do not have money to splash on superstars, then it would be pointless to send scouts to watch them play right? Unless they are out to spot other talents. DAPred {Ed001's Note - you only scout players you don't have enough information on to make a decision. A huge number of players are scouted every season.}

 

 

13 Nov 2012 01:06:23
Hi editors,

I know there are a lot of speculations going around, and they usually arise when we are doing badly in a particular area of the field or likewise struggling but usually be always end up buying players in positions that are not needed. Hoping that is not the case with Brendan Rogers would you think these three English players can solve most of our problem if money is there for improvement. Charlie Austin who seems like a perfect poacher, always present in the 6 yard box - someone who can finish off, Walcott who can has been a speculated Liverpool fan and can drive in from the left with sterling being on the other end and Sturridge a very promising striker who if given a run of games can be extremely devastating. I think if we get all three players at the same time it would make more sense and they would be a perfect fit seeming their age and one wanting to move to a better club from burnley, other not agreeing with the contract and the third not being given enough chances.
This is obviously pure speculation from observation, but do you think these three would be just about perfect, not the extreme foreign high profile signing but just what we need? {Ed001's Note - not in any way perfect. One is a very average player having a good run, who has off field issues and I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Walcott is just a sprinter in footie boots, yes he can be devastating sometimes, but most of the time he is poor, but those performances get forgotten when he has one good five minutes. Finally we have a player so greedy that the word pass is not even in his vocabulary. This, for me, is worst case scenario.}

Ed if u were BR,or given a chance..to buy one striker..who would it be on a reasonable price? {Ed001's Note - Llorente, he is used to playing quick, passing football and he has the advantage of being tall and strong.}

 

 

13 Nov 2012 00:12:06
Saw this on team of the week, I copied & pasted it.
Full-back: Jose Enrique “ Playing wing-back in a five-man Liverpool defence, this was one of Enrique's better displays this season. Having been left out of the side for a number of matches this campaign and been linked with a move away from the Merseyside club, this performance will show Rodgers he is willing to fight for his place. footballtransfertavern.com

I watched the game again last night and while defensively and recovery wise I thought he was good, I still think he waits on the ball too long and gives it away far too often. A much improved performance and did show that he wants to fight for his place, and respect to him for that, but I am still not sold.

Andy K

Yes enrique was excellent really showed his strength on the ball and willingness to graft up n down the wings shows he has got it in him he got lazy towards the end of last season but now he has a chance to get back in the side he is going for it

I think he's a liability still. I tend not to criticise players yet he just frustrates me. One footed and overweight. Sorry kids.

DaveyBootle

He has a lot of talent. He kept Hazard at bay all game, how many defenders can do that. He just needs to be properly managed. I think after Suarez n Suso, he is the best player (ability wise) we have.

To tell the truth i don't know how he got man of the match? thought Brad kept us in the game with his save's! Enrique had a good game not outstanding!

 

 

 
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