Liverpool Banter Archive November 11 2014

11 Nov 2014 21:16:25
Eds is there any truth in reports us giving a trial before Xmas to the youngster Degaard?

{Ed002's Note - No idea, sorry.}

11 Nov 2014 18:02:27
One thing is for certain when thinking about our ongoing defensive problems Kelly and Wisdom wouldn't have done any worse at centre-back than what we have at the moment.

11 Nov 2014 18:46:33
You've not been watching Wisdom at West Brom, then?!

Of course they would, the problem is the lack of coaching and tactics not the players. All our CBs are internationals and know how to do their job, it's the management and coaching that's the problem.

Sorry Mcgoveb but Lovren has been poor along with Skrtel and Johnson. How they are 1st team regulars is totally beyond me.

Skrtel and Johnson will not be offered new contracts which can only be a good thing for our defence.

I would have kept Martin Kelly. injury prone but a proper defender.

11 Nov 2014 20:42:22
Skrtel has a new contract last year

11 Nov 2014 22:23:25
Any idea how far away Flanno is from returning, he brings a bit more passion and drive to the back line

Kelly and Wisdom, good enough? Don't make me laugh.

Fully agree

It doesn`t matter who we get, that defensve syatem and BR`s inability to rectify the situation going 3 yrs will make them look terrible. Toure, Lovren, Sahko were very good players b4 they came here. Now, they are poor. Why`s that?

When every single player in our team is adjudged to be in 'poor form', it can't come down to the fact that players are bad. There must be internal issues in coaching and in particular our tactics that have not been resolved, and that is down to Rodgers sadly.

Wisdom and Kelly have been excellent this season. I'd say it's you lot who've obviously not been watching them! They've both offered way more going forward than either Johnson or Manquillo. However as some people rightly pointed out, they're not playing in a shambolic team suffering from managerial ineptitude.

Wisdom and Kelly might not be the answer but would they be any worse than Johnson and Manquillo? It is very hard to argue they are any worse. So why loan one and why not sell the other or at least get his wages of the books? Makes perfect sense to me!

11 Nov 2014 17:34:50
I think we really need to give suso a Chance

I'm not sure at this point he even wants a chance at Liverpool anymore. Bit late now, should have been given a chance last season really.

I believe he's injured for a month or so. But I do agree, he deserves a chance.

Is he back from injury yet?

BR wouldn't play him when he was fit and had a good pre-season, I think his chance is gone. This is another problem with keeping BR in his position, we could lose really good players as he looks for money to buy more "prospects for the future"

It seems he has beef w/ certain players and likes certain players hence, those he ikes play, those who could be better BUT not his favs, don`t play regardless of circumstance. That`s not football, that`s politics. I would understand if those he likes play and win games but they`re not and in fact, they`ve been. That`s just disgusting. Just my opinion

BR needs to be the bigger person and just do what's right sometimes.
I think he sometimes overlooks players not because they are poor but because he 1. holds favourites and 2. has made a pre judgement on a player and won't go back even if his thinking was short sighted, players like Lucas & Suso who we all as on lookers see the team would benefit from. I have no doubt that if Suso was given a proper chance at the beginning of the season, he would have had a bigger impact than Markovic. Same goes for the previous season when we loaned in Moses.

Spot on, Hyach!

Rodgers last season picked players on form mainly.
Flanagan came into the side and stayed in because his form was terrific.
Compare that with Toure and how he was treated when he played well in Madrid and was subsequently dropped and its easy to see why the squad does not seem to have the same togetherness this season as it had last season.

According to the Eds, Flanno only got to play because there was nobody else to play LB due to injuries and lack of cover. Now, he wants to take the credit while if someone was available, Flanno would never have seen the field.

11 Nov 2014 15:11:08
begovic is a must in january, he knows the league + is top keeper.
Mignolet/jones are not up to standard, mignolet has no command and too nervous.
We need strurridge to return at least we will have fire power upfront and maybe balotelli will be better with daniel around him.
We need to make top 4 this season in order to stengthen the squad with a top cb and top defensive midfielder.
orogi will come up front we will be ok.
Malta

11 Nov 2014 16:45:41
You can put Neuer in goal and we will still concede.
Simon may not be a world beater , but he is not a bad keeper either, don't know where you stand on the Madrid game, but many here thought the team put out was the best thing ever, well Mingo was part of that team and if you just watch the first half again , you will see if it was n't for him, we would've been 3 down in the first 30 minutes.
The system is wrong, its an an offensive system that is dysfunctional, in all offensive systems if not implemented right the defence will suffer, gaps all over the place and make it a walk in the park for the opposition.
I hope we don't waste money on the back line , more than enough is spent already, we need to put whatever we have into a formidable striker that put fear in the opposition, and raise the spirit and confidence of the rest of team. Only then this mysterious system of Rodgers will work.

I doubt Begovic would come as he didn't want to last time and I don't think anything has changed in the interim.

Personally before punting on Mignolet I would punt on Archterberg to see if another coach may actually do something to help him actually improve on the areas he's weak in.

Rodgers needs to manage the team properly and adapt the playing style and tactics to suit the squad he has.
The players at his disposal are more than good enough to be challenging for the top couple of places.
If he can't or is unwilling then a change of manager is needed.
We need to stop blaming migs for the defence.

Hey MiIKEY, BR hasn't done it till now, 11 league games, champions league, Cup, pre season and training and still no improvement.
So how long do you think he should get?

You could argue he managed the team properly last year to get the most out of what he had (SAS).
He needs to adapt the team to cope with the loss of Suarez. Play to your strengths.

Roy and RDL are spot on. You can put Neuer or Kahn (in his hey day) in goal and we woulds still concede as much as we are due to that dreadful and dysfunctional system we play in under BR. As for Mingo, he`s been decent and better in recent games. Changing GK`s and defenders will NEVER work until systems, coaching and other parts of the game are fixed or improved, IMO.

12 Nov 2014 18:28:10
redohio,
I agree, in fact they could both be in goal together & still not stop the current rot

11 Nov 2014 12:38:42
I know you say no ins this jan unless we sell big first but are we in for a gk on loan at least or are we sticking with mignolet until the summer? Also is cabaye available on loan?

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure who has been telling you that stuff, but a GK would likely still be on the cards. Cabaye will not be available on loan to Liverpool.}

11 Nov 2014 11:23:01
Anybody else get the impression that Brendan often makes substitutions for the sake of it? by that i mean he just throws players on and hopes something will happen, instead of having, well i don't know - A Plan.

No I think he has a plan, just not the one that's needed half the time.

Random Red, i have been thinking the same thing. Taking Coutinho off for Allen when we needed a goal was just stupid. U only make such a substitution when u have the lead and want to hold onto possession. Allen hardly offers anything in the final third. If Coutinho was tiring, Lallana was hands down the better option to bring on.

11 Nov 2014 15:02:59
I disagree that he doesn't have a plan in the subs, I just question whether the plans are realistic. Bringing on Allen is an obvious attempt to take control of the midfield and push forward with some possession but vs a midfield of that quality, is that really likely to work?

11 Nov 2014 10:19:22
Eds reds lots of articles, rumours regarding possible strikers for january, I know what's been said about the money etc, but if by selling players or whatever way, if we could sign a strike partner for sturridge, if balo can't hack it whrn studge returns, who would you sign?

{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't. I would give Lambert a chance and look to the youth players to provide a spark off the bench if that isn't working after an hour.}

Ed01 how would you want us set up if you had sturridge and lambert upto thanks.p

{Ed001's Note - Lambert off Sturridge. Lambert is a very creative player, he can bring others into play, let him drop into the hole and do that.}

Unfortunately it looks like Rodgers doesn't trust Lambert.

Rodgers has no bottle. He'd rather play it safe and blame the players for underperforming.

A truly good manager makes changes to his team based on form and ability. Rodgers would rather just keep it the same so he can't be blamed. Sadly for him, people are starting to see through him.

About a 6-8 weeks ago i put a post up calling for Rodgers to be sacked and De Boer to replace him. I did think afterwards that perhaps i was over reacting and being too quick to write him off. I'm starting to think i wasn't far wrong though!

''Unfortunately it looks like Rodgers doesn't trust Lambert.''

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Unfortunately it looks like Rodgers is being a t!t*.

Ed01 again I agree with you over lambert, the trouble is a lot of problems seem to have a solution when sturridge retutns, I hope that's the case and he can stay fit because we need him! Thanks.

Well said EMS. A world class manager would take all the blame on himself, to keep his players out of the firing line. Just look at Jose, hardly any of his Chelsea players get into the spotlight for poor performances. He is more than willing to soak up the pressure from the media than blame each and every player of his if the team under performs. BR on the other hand uses excuses (that too ridiculous ones) to deflect the blame from himself. There is no way a manager like Ancelotti or Mourinho would let their players get slaughtered by the media.

Indian, do you not remember the debacle about old players last year from Mourinho and the reasons he keeps his mouth shut about reffing decisions?

11 Nov 2014 15:49:43
Or throwing Hazard to the dogs after the Atheltico game where they went out of the CL? Or his comments about Lukaku (who granted was on loan but still technically his player at that point).

I think the point was mourinho is a lot better at dealing with the press and deflecting attention from his players than Rodgers.

I'd have liked to have read the total column inches dedicated to Mourinhos attack force last year, and Torres and bothered to read the articles from his time at real madrid.
There' no doubting Mourinho is a good manager, the man clearly has his flaws when talking about officials and some players. Torres still got his usual flack last year.

Spot on, EMS! As much as I hate to say it, I think BR has become a politician i.e takes the credit for everything and takes the blame for nothing.