Liverpool Banter Archive April 11 2013
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11 Apr 2013 23:18:25
just like to say this page is great. keep it up. always fun to read some ridiculous rumors and also on the other hand some inside info. cheers lads
11 Apr 2013 23:10:30
How obvious is it that Marco Rojas will join us in the summer, on LFC there is an "exclusive interveiw" of him talking (to LFCTour. com) about him playing against Liverpool and Stevie G.
12 Apr 2013 00:24:04
would be nice, but it just might be an interview? I mean its captain fantastic we are talking about here ;)
Malak
Or it could simply be a case of an interview with A-League's hottest prospect about playing against one of the most globally renowned teams on the planet. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a surefire thing. Just good marketing I'd say.
JFT 96
JP
He's simply not good enough
Does that go for every player that talks about playing against Liverpool?
Speedy
No where near good enough for Liverpool. He has had one decent season in the A league!
11 Apr 2013 23:07:31
We're not the only ones guys, just had a quick glance over on the spurs page. A few weeks back they were world beaters and now all their players are crap! Makes me feel slightly better about some of the drivel on here sometimes
Everybodys fans are like it, I've remember speaking to Manchester United fans a few years back and they were saying fergie had lost it. Yeah right
Liverpool fans are meant to be a bit more intelligent though. If everyone would STOP with the Manchester United comparisons we'd get along better.
11 Apr 2013 20:36:23
Eds will Liverpool have more money to spend this year compared to last year if they don't sell suarez and other big players {Ed002's Note - I would doubt that the owners can continue to sustain losses at the same level.}
We hardly broken record's last time round hopefully FSG figure out a way to spend more and loose less we need to be quite busy these next to markets especially with videocassette play rules
Carroll downing skrtel plus squad players like Assaidi and Coates will leave. Even shelvey may move on.
11 Apr 2013 23:21:23
just like to know your opinion on the long term deal for lucas. i'm a huge fan of him. but I heard on the grapevine that rodgers is a huge fan of tiote. any truth. personally woulve splashed the cash and not bothered with an injury prone player {Ed001's Note - Lucas had one injury and then a niggle on his return and that makes him injury prone? Simply not true. Tiote is an accident waiting to happen with no ability to pass the ball at all.}
Hello Ed,
What do you reckon do we need to sign a back-up DM?
I definately think we need another DM. He may be back-up or a first choice but I feel that is a position we really need to add a little strength to.
And given our Budget the 2 most affordable and Quality options are Medel and Etinne Capoue. {Ed001's Note - personally I think that is the number one priority for the summer.}
11 Apr 2013 22:49:11
Gary Linaker: "Oh, penalties! I like this bit. Seeing the fear in the eyes!" As an ex-Spurs player who seems to be ashamed that he played for everton (he's right to be!) I bet he's not saying that now. Come on Chelsea!
A. Moran
A very confused post
ITs seems to be against everything and for nothing!
Didn't Linaker win the league with Everton? He won nothing with spurs. I bet he's still got that Everton top somewhere in his closet, probably still got tears on it from when EFC lost the FA cup final to LFC.
11 Apr 2013 21:52:49
What does everyone think of Basel goal keeper yann sommer? besides dempseys second goal he looks quit good. He comes out strong in the air on corners and is only 23
Only 6. 0 feet tall - midget by Premiership standards.
11 Apr 2013 21:40:24
Gotta give it to the Newcastle fans, St James' Park is rocking at the moment. Great atmosphere and support for the team.
JFT 96
JP
The support at St, James' is always great mate. Lived in Newcastle for two years and went for a couple of games, the atmosphere is fantastic, and decent banter too! I can only hope that when I get a chance to visit Anfield, I will be blown away!
The real AG
11 Apr 2013 21:27:27
Really cannot all the hype surrounding Kyle Walker he's a liability and nowhere near as good as he was last season when he was voted young player of the season I think? He's getting ripped by these Basel wingers, reminding me of Coutinho came up against him at Anfield. People claiming he should be in the England squad in front of Johnson just make me laugh.
AsianRed
I thought he showed real promise last season but I agree he's looked less than convincing this season. He can beat anyone in a race going forwards but often gets figured out at the back.
HB
Even us spurs fans think so!
11 Apr 2013 21:01:16
Not exactly a rumour ed but watching the FC Basel v tottenham game and the young basel player 20 yr old Egyptian Mohamed sala looks quality. He's left footed and can play on the right wing or up front. Only half time but he stands out by far out of both teams. I wonder if we have any one watching
Cheers and keep up the boss work. Bret the red
11 Apr 2013 20:59:39
Is anyone watching Spuds/Basel on ITV? There not a bad side Basel full of speed and they counter attack well. Stellar, Srellar, shmellar, stocker, shocker and Cher. Oh and our very own Phillip Degan Liverpool legend. Come on Basel I can't stand Spuds!
DBol
11 Apr 2013 23:21:28
Mate last year they knocked Man united out of champions league and Bayern thumped them by 8 goals.
Thats a sad post
11 Apr 2013 20:35:19
Hope Rodgers has taken a serious look over the 2 legs at this Basle left back, Saleh. cracking little player.
Left back?
Right winger m8
11 Apr 2013 20:30:22
BR saying maybe its better to out of europe for 1 season so we can play for the top 4. we started this season with reina, johnson, skrtl, carra, quates, agger, enrique, lucas, henderson, shelvey, gerrard, suarez, downing, sterling. BR decided to get allen, sahin, assaidi, borini and none of the guys he brought in are better than what we already had. I understand not every player you decide to buy/loan will make a impact, but last summer we did not strenghten the team. I am not saying we would have made top 4 this year if we did strenghten but at least 1 or 2 should have made a difference. Malta
Sturridge and coutinho have made a difference
Allen did, at the start of the season mate he was fenominal.
derryred
If br wants williams ask the swans to take allen back in a deal.
11 Apr 2013 20:29:04
I'm just going to put it out there most of the lfc fans (so called) are muppets your not a fan if u haven't been to a game WTF since when did going to a game make u more of a fan than the ordinary decent fans that can't get to games due to hard times or watever jus count it as a blessing that 40 plus thousand can because without them weather there from CHINA IRAN DUBLIN or timbuckto we wouldn't have a club JON96
The forty odd "Real Fans" should make some noise and then we'll KNOW they exist
12 Apr 2013 09:51:13
I must agree with ya I've been to a few games this season and there's better atmosphere in a grave yard it use to be rocking week in week out OUR FANS use to be the bizz let's get that back PLEASE PLEASE win lose or draw we have to make teams fear our beloved Anfield atmosphere again JON96
11 Apr 2013 20:20:10
Is the youth cup game not on lfc tv?
ITV4
Davey Sulls
ITV4 dude
It is but its not live. Its a few hours late I think. you can watch it for free on fatv online
Hounsred
Its also on itv4
Hounsred
Both legss are being shown on ITV4
11 Apr 2013 19:40:36
I don't care if your a fan of Brenden Rodger or not, just as long as the players think he's the right man for the job, they all seem happy and they all want to play for him, this is all that matters IMO!
James
To be fair in todays climate players would back a corpse as long as they got paid, saying you like the manager is a bit like kissing the badge it means nothing.
i don't want to be mr downer but its a fact.
People really need to google the definition of 'fact' before claiming that everything they say is 'fact'.
If you type Fact into google images a photo of Rafa Benitez appears!
DT
11 Apr 2013 19:31:14
What are your thoughts on the Reading game? While I would like to say I am confident of a big win, my ability to predict games this season has been rather dismal. On paper I say we win 3 - 0. But my heart is already aching.
I saw someone predict 3-0 against West Ham, was that you? lol. The issue is Sam Allardyce is the king of the bore draw and there are two results we can guarantee next season no matter how much we improve - dropping points at Stoke and a draw at home to whoever Sam is in charge of. It's to be expected. Reading, however, aren't quite so negative and may score one or two against us, but if we're on form it's a win, but no clean sheet I feel.
I think we'll be fine if we can deal with ALF and Hal Robson-Kanu.
DT
11 Apr 2013 19:00:59
From the photos on the LFC website it looks like Rodgers is going to play Sama at centre back on the weekend
Hounsred
I think wisdom and a few other senior players would be less then happy
11 Apr 2013 20:59:07
Wisdom will play at right back. It looks like johnson is going to be dropped.
Hounsred
The green and the orange bobs are a good indicator of who is going to start. usually the guys with the green one start and play against the orange ones in training. It's not always the case however I have noticed.
By this logic, it looks like Wisdom is starting and Sturridge is again on the bench.
The real AG
11 Apr 2013 18:49:56
I'm from Liverpool, and I think its brilliant to read the stories from supporters around the world, and to know that for those 90 minutes, there are literally tens of millions of people who are doing exactly the same thing, and supporting the team.
Although the discussion has changed slightly from the original point, it has been amazing to see how the club means so much to so many people, including that destitute 8 year old African boy who watches every game in his local bar.
What I think is sad is when a good player has one bad game, and so many fans get straight on here and say they are useless and should be sold the next day. There will always be people who will be overly negative, and all fans are entitled to their opinions, but I hope people will take a moment to think about what they are writing- we are not blind, but we called supporters because we support the club, not because we undermine it. Remember that some of the players actually read this site.
I also hope that any players who do read these pages will remember when they are knackered halfway through the second half and feel like taking their foot off the gas a bit- there is a young lad thousands of miles away, probably still dressed in a tattered Candy shirt, who thinks all of you guys are absolute legends.
United fan here in peace,
Great post IMO.
It's amazing to think there are folks in places as far and diverse as Africa, Asia & South America supporting both Liverpool and United. They're living out the same rivalry we do from a totally alien environment!
Good point on being too quick to slate players too, I'm not a fan of poster's on my own site doing the same. It's just how things are these days though unfortunately, it's too easy to react publicly (through the internet) before you've had a chance to think things through properly. Some people still haven't realised this.
HB
Fantastic post original poster. If only you had left a name!
The real AG
Most teams have support all over the world
No not most only the special ones
11 Apr 2013 18:34:04
Hi eds,
Keep up the good work!
I can't help thinking that Lfc v Melbourne is connected to the potential signing of one Marc Rojas. Have you heard anything of note on this subject. Personally I have seen a bit of this player and he does suit the rodgers criteria. What do you think.
Kopper {Ed002's Note - No.}
Is that you, Mr Rojas?
You know Australia has one of the highest GDP's of all free markets in the world right? I think it's probably something to do with a showcase and earning some new fans in a fairly cash rich environment. {Ed002's Note - Pre-season friendlies are paid for by the host. It will be because they are paying £1M or whatever.}
I am pretty sure the government has paid about 3 million Ed 002 {Ed002's Note - If that is £GB then it is a lot.}
Ed002, its Australian dollars, not sure what that works out to be in GB pounds, but i'm sure that's the figure I saw mentioned. {Ed002's Note - More realistic then. Typically teams such as Liverpool can pull in £1M or so for a preseason game - so perhaps.}
11 Apr 2013 18:27:18
Some of you may have read what I said earlier about my mates only going by results and not performance. And I don't want people saying I hate United and all that with what I am going to say because I'm just using this as an example. But something that annoys me a lot is the confidence of some United fans (my mates included). Sometimes I do have a conversation with some United fans (my mates or in the pub) and they feel as if they are the best club in the world. I was talking to them about Liverpool's apparent interest in Eriksen and they were saying stuff like he won't go to Liverpool, why would he want to go there etc. So I was thinking OK maybe it won't happen. But then they go on to say 'United are GETTING Ronaldo and Bale'. So that's when I said United have no confirmed interest in either player and they turned around and said 'but they will get them in the summer because both want to play for United'. Now this is when everyone was sober! I just don't get how they think Liverpool 'aren't a big enough club' to get Eriksen but they are 100% certain that Bale and Ronaldo are on their way to United! Now like I said I have nothing against United or their fans or anyone else's fans for that matter. Now don't get me wrong, United will probably be able to attract the bigger names for now anyway, but not all players want to join United! Now don't get me wrong, not all United fans are like this, in fact this is only a small group of around 10 people, but I was just a bit shocked by how much bigger than us they think they are!
If you haven't got bored by the time you get to here, thank you for reading my post and for your time!
Cheers,
LS7.
11 Apr 2013 19:56:44
Lsz mate United are the biggest and most famous club in world football, they have expanded their brand that big that they can easily compete with barca or madrid or chelsea or city etc with their own money instead of their owners.
Once ineiesta and xavi said united are only team they would prefer playing if they left Barca even once Zidane said he regreted missing playing for united when he retired, they are the most successfull club interms of financial and trophys, just check their Value in forbes list you will be shocked and stumped how big a club they are or how they have moved with-in times and left teams way behind.
At this moment we can't compare Liverpool with united, Liverpool have fallen massively behind even Chelsea, arsenal, juventus, Madrid, Barca, bayern munich, ac milan etc financially and reputation wise are way ahead, our Global market image is not good, this all teams have massive sponsors, income and success compare to us at this moment, you have forgotten that we were vey close going bankrupt, things haven't improved so much since then, we still are losing 1M every week neither success has return back, instead now we are even struggling qualifying for europa.
Ha, you can tell your mates, there is no chance that United will get both Ronaldo and Bale, though they will know that its in midfield were united must improve, did you see how City took control last monday night.
redforever
To the 1st reply, I know United are way ahead financially, I never said they weren't. I'm just saying they can't just choose who they want, in fact no team can. I'm just saying that the lads I was talking to were certain that United were going to sign these two players! I just didn't like the way they thought of Liverpool as a club nobody would want to go to. I mean Suarez came when we were flirting with the relegation zone so we can still attract some of the big names because of the stature of the club. Basically what I was saying was Liverpool are still around the top spots of the Premier League, just down about 3/4 positions. It's not like we have fallen to a team fighting relegation. United, as big as the club is, cannot 'choose' who they want, nor can anyone else. I suppose basically what I was saying was it was like they thought football was a video game like football manager or fifa or whatever, and they could get whoever they want!
No disrespect is intended towards United fans by the way as I'm sure there are fans of every team who are like this!
Cheers,
LS7.
Mate, are you basing this all on a handfull of your pals? No offence but they just sound like plums.
I am a United fan and in no way shape or form do I think we will be landing either Ronaldo NOR Bale. I would love them both but I think it highly unlikely. We are a huge club but we can't match the finances of teams like PSG, City, Chelsea or Real at times. And even though I love United I'm sane enough to recognise that many players would prefer to play elsewhere, Barca, Real ore somewhere else more glamerous than rainy Manchester?
The United fans you hang around with are not a reflection of the whole of our support. I have many United supporting mates as well as fans of other teams and TBH none of them come out with the level of bull that your pals seemingly do.
I'd suggest you visit a different pub :)
HB
Redforever
Agreed, we are desperate for a quality CM to partner Carrick. I think we will get Strootman who is a good player at 22 but is far from a ready made world class player. I think he'll turn out well though.
HB
11 Apr 2013 22:40:59
LS7 mate just try to find how we got Suarez, Ajax were desperate to sell him and no team wanted him at that time except Liverpool, he created a big fiasco there for biting an opposoition player which left Suarez and Ajax no option and accept to move to Liverpool, as Ajax were busy protecting their reputation domesticaly and globally. {Ed001's Note - utter nonsense, Ajax were happy to keep him.}
11 Apr 2013 23:39:09
Ed1 mate but martin jol said in an interview that ajax were desperate to sell Suarez cause his antics were not well received by dutch FA neither Ajax, he even said their financial condition was very bad either Suarez or Erikson needed to be sold.
Gerrard. {Ed001's Note - yes, he had to justify the sale to the fans afterwards, but they didn't want to sell him at all.}
Yes HB I do agree they are a bit silly at times, either that or maybe they weren't sober! Just when I met them and they told me they love the game and have been football fans their whole lives I wasn't expecting that sort of wishful thinking to put it nicely! And trust me, I know it is just a handful of people who think like this because as I said I grew up with United fans, and most were very knowledgeable of the game. I also agree United need another CM or 2. Carrick has played well all season and Giggs has played well there too but they need a natural CM to sure up the midfield. De Gea seems to be improving as well as the likes of Rafael and Welbeck which is promising for United. But my love will always be for Liverpool simply because it is more than a football club to me. It is a family. When I first went to Anfield I felt at home and knew straight away that being at Anfield is something special. You just get more passion and pride running through your veins and it's such a great feeling that I have been lucky enough to experience. I wish I could afford to go more often but unfortunately we are in hard times at the moment and because I have to travel from Ireland it is a bit pricey. Love the club through the good and the bad though which is what football is all about!
Cheers,
LS7.
Trust me that's how a lot of fans in the states are. Completely ignorant to the facts unless it's what they want to hear.
LS7
Agree with your 2nd post and I know what you mean about feeling at home in support of your club.
I'd agree with most of your thoughts on the United squad too. Some good promising youth developing but we need 1 or 2 quality players now to improve the starting XI.
It's been a tough year for Pool but you will benefit in the future from giving playing time to your academy boys. If you can keep Suarez and improve the defence I would expect a better season from you guys next year.
HB
11 Apr 2013 16:49:15
just like to this we have a player in suarez that only comes along once in a lifetime to play for Liverpool the last being king kenny I know your going to say what about stevie gee great player yes but suarez has the magic dust sprinkled on him every time he has the ball we hold our breath because we know we are seeing something magical happen he just terrifies players that is something only a hanful of players are blessed with and we as a club must do all we can to make sure he stays at the club
If Man United sell ROONEY in the summer
and we sell SUAREZ who do you
think will get the best deal.
with emphasis on DEAL.
ANSWER: UNITED, they will sell
Rooney and buy FALCAO,
We'll sell SUAREZ and buy 3
squad players, we definitely won't
Buy a ready made replacement
BRENDA thinks he's already got
one in STURRIDGE. ANY VIEWS.
Welcome back theturdz! We have missed you!
Ignore the no-name troll folks, he doesn't have the guts to leave a name.
The real AG
Just because we might sell Suarez and sign 3 squad players doesn't mean its a bad thing. 1 of those squad players might turn out to be a little gem for them selves! i'm confident he will stay anyway and we will make some squad changes that next season will make us a better team!
Jim
I thought the same about Torresactually. Always thought he was going to score when he got the ball
11 Apr 2013 16:44:44
Right, I've been insulted on here for my opinion, and I knew it wouldn't go down well, as the majority of the people on here aren't scouse. My problem isn't with non scouse fans, it's with them telling me how to support my club, or to support somebody else because I don't like Rodgers or FSG. I stand by what I said, as I think clubs are going bust because of people not supporting the club from where they are from, and foreign leagues fail to grow as people support English or Spanish teams.
Ed001, I agree that if your family are from a place you should have the option of following their team. I don't have a problem with that.
Some lad on here called me racist which is ridiculous. As is the argument that if we only had scouse fans, we should only have scouse players. As was the person who asked why scousers don't follow Tranmere. They are from the Wirral, over the water, not Liverpool. Why would I support them?
Another thing I hate is the use of the fake Shankly quote, about if you can't support us when we lose don't support us when we win. It's made up. Stop using it.
I'm not saying anyone from Liverpool isn't passionate, or doesn't love the club, some of the lads I go the aways with aren't scouse, but they are boss fans. However, it is the LFC Family brigade I don't like. Who try and prove that they are some great fan because they say everything is brilliant, Allen is top class, and in Brendan we trust. We will never improve if we don't adress problems.
JFT96
Smithy
11 Apr 2013 18:57:32
Spot on smithy.
Waro
ITs becoming a bore fest now and time to move on.
ITs clear that some LFC supporters born in the city don't actually accept outside fans not boen in Liverpool or at best they see these "foreign" fans as somewhat less than those born within the city limits.
And that's okay it takes allsorts as Berty Basset said.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion whether ita right or wrong!
Island Nation
I'm sorry Smithy mate, I'm from Liverpool too, but if someone is being a plank then I don't care where they are from, they need to be told.
Being a scouser doesn't make someone's viewpoints about the club more valid, or make them exempt from criticism.
By the way I haven't seen the discussions that led to Waro's post and yours, so I don't know if that was the case or not.
I do pay more attention to those posters who go to the games, because you always see a lot more when you're in the ground.
But for someone who lives in say Newcastle like my mate's lad, it's just not possible to go the game every week- if he lived locally he would definitely spend the money on a season ticket even though he doesn't make that much money, because he's even more passionate than we are.
As far as I'm concerned he's more of a fan than I am, and he's more knowledgeable about the game itself too, so his opinion on players is worth listening to.
I met a guy once who came down to Liverpool from Glasgow in the late 70s when Kenny came to join LFC, and he became a lifelong reds fan.
He's not from Liverpool but he does live here and he does go to some of the games when he can afford it, so where does he fit in the hierarchy?
What exactly are you moaning at? It seems that you want the right to moan at a young player and manager after less than one season at the club.
Now whilst people who just follow blindly without question annoy me, let's show some sort of common sense here.
UTD- Established for years, long term manager, a long term youth policy and a large transfer kitty and CL.
City- Expensive squad, huge wages, CL.
Chelsea- Like City and CL winners
Arsenal- Long term manager who has had years to build his squad and implement his syle, CL and a wealthy owner, London is also a draw to foreign players.
Spurs- Harry left them with a very good team, unlucky not to qualify last season, and have shown they can out muscle us in the transfer market this year. they are also in London which is a draw.
Everton- Another long term manager who has put together a small but very effective squad, did well this year and held on to there main players.
Liverpool-A new manager, took over from a club legend, has had to offload some top earners to lower the wage bill, and after a few seasons of turmoil steady the squad whilst trying to intergrate a lot of very young players into what was a very small squad. No CL football, and we can't blow a fortune on a few great players, we need almost a complete team from the budget.
The past is the past, this is the reallity of where we are, now I don't care where your from really, it doesn't interest me and like I said, the posters that support without question are stupid, but let's give the manager and his players a fair go. What did you really expect this year?
And the back tracking when you found out ED 001 was not local? that's quite funny.
No name what are you on lad? I haven't backtracked about anything. Ed001 is Scouse, it is his daughter that isn't, well, that is how I interpreted his response to my post last night, and I agree that she should support Liverpool if her family are all scouse. Plus I'm carrying it on as I was called a racist, which is ridiculous. I couldn't care less about if people agree or disagree with me, but to say that, some people need to turn it in.
JFT96
Smithy {Ed001's Note - why should it matter who her family are? Why should her family have to be all scouse to support Liverpool? Next you will be wanting people to choose teams based on the colour of their skin or their religion. Just as dumb either way. Liverpool was set up by Scots, not Scousers, so why don't you follow a scouse team if you want to be like that? Liverpool has never been a scouse only team, it was set up by Scots, had a team of Scots and has consistently had heroes drawn from other places, other than just Liverpool.}
I'm from doncaster I live in blackpool I'm 44 supported Liverpool since I was 7. When I meet somebody especially when I'm abroad on holiday and walking around in one of my shirts you always get the question where are you from because you haven't got a scouse accent right I'm from Donny ok why don't you support them I always reply 1 where are you from say they answer say manchester then I say no what country do you live in then puzzled they say Britain then I say the last time I was there we had the freedom to vote/choice then the 2 answer I give them is WHAT THE F**K AS IT GOT TO DO WITH YOU.
If supporters only support their local team then Liverpool would have such a small fan base that the likes of even Tranmere would be bigger.
the city of Liverpool isn't really that big with a population of less than 500,000. the wirral is around 300,000 but they only have one club.
everton and Liverpool would have to share.
now! this scouse 'rubbish' is erm oh yeah rubbish.
scouse is for scousers meaning those from Liverpool but Liverpool's neighbouring towns like Bootle and even maghull are NOT Liverpool (check it out) so they aren't real scousers.
Liverpool NEED supporters from all over the world to make it a beig competative club.
wigfield 76
11 Apr 2013 21:01:29
loved the answer ed.
Malak
All yous that have been arguing over this subject over the last couple of days need to get over yourselves and realise that it's 2013 and not 1933.
The end of the day who cares what team anyone from anywhere supports?!
It's a free world!
It's embarrassing.
Kev79
Waro and Smithy have got to be the most negative posters on this site. It's a shame as I originally thought Waro talked sense a few months back, especially when he posted the team news.
The real AG
Im with smithy on this one but I would also add if your from London say and move to Liverpool you wouldn't then suddenly class yourself as a scouser would you? It's exactly the same thing when it comes to supporting a club you have no connection too in my opinion.
11 Apr 2013 14:00:00
hi eds,
this just an enquiry to urselves if u can help and the readers. i'm living in dublin and go over 2 anfeild as much as I can 3, 4 times a season but always get our tickets through freinds in a membership club, but this time we can't get them for the Liverpool v qpr game, we just want 2 know if we go over on the sunday is there anywere we could get them, ie outside the ground or elsewhere, we've never had 2 buy the tickets this way and want 2 know are they legit or wat. any help would be much appriated lads. thanks
fagan81 {Ed002's Note - I am sure someone can anser this for you.}
11 Apr 2013 19:01:39
Before you buy outside the ground mate check the season ticket returns scheme the club have, you may have some luck with that rather than pay over the odds outside the ground.
Waro
11 Apr 2013 10:20:47
ed002 if fsg keep rodgers for next season, even though his objective was top 4, do u think if he misses out again on the top 4 next season then the owners will likely sack him? {Ed002's Note - I really don't know, it is far too far away to say right ow.
11 Apr 2013 16:29:11
Another ramble…
A lot of people have taken offence and posted in response to a recent post about being a ‘real fan’ and being a Scouser etc.
From where I’m standing the original post was easy to mis-read and take offence at. It seemed to be saying ‘how dare (recent) fans who are not Scousers tell me, a Scouser to rack off and support another club just because I post something that says negative things about where we are right now”.
The assumption here is that because the person posting the original post is a Scouser he has no choice as to who he supports and therefore anyone that wasn’t born this way is somehow not as much as a fan as he is and therefore don’t have the right to suggest such things.
Well, not all Scousers of Liverpool supporters. There is another wee club a few miles away that is also supported by Scousers. So I don’t think that it gives a person any more right to take offence than any other.
I was born in Nottingham. I’m a Liverpool supporter – have been forever. The reason is that my father was born in in Liverpool, grew up there and later moved to Nottingham. He was a mad Liverpool fan all his life and took us up there regularly to see them. Of course I could have supported another team but having checked out the life chances of kids that get adopted it seemed like a good idea to continue supporting Liverpool (truth: never considered anything else).
Both my sons, though born in Nottingham are Liverpool supporters. They had to be. If I had them adopted I’d maybe have to miss watching a match because I was visiting them. (It’s a joke, really).
I’ve got friends that haven’t supported Liverpool all their lives but now do – better a sinner repented etc. What’s great is that they may not have been a fan since they first drew breath but they follow avidly what happens to the club and every match. Their knowledge is fantastic. I don’t consider that there opinion has any less value than mine just because they found the faith later. I don’t consider that their opinion has less value because I’m a ‘one generation removed Scouser’ and they are not. The truth is they may have a different opinion to me about the direction of the club, the owners, the managers and the players – but it is just an opinion – and it’s different. I don’t know it a wrong opinion or a right one – typically only history will tell. I wouldn’t be so arrogant to suggest that I’m right simply because of my heritage or my longevity of support.
Nor would I suggest that anyone should stop supporting my (our) team because their opinion differs to mine.
I am also very proud that our team attracts such support from around the world – thank you to all of you fans that can’t get to matches because of geography but still support us. Getting up in the middle of the night to watch a match because you are the other side of the world shows commitment. Buying Liverpool merchandise and subscribing makes a contribution and funds the club – it’s good.
I’m very lucky – match day attendance costs me fuel, 4 tickets (The lads and the Wife!), food (well a Mackie D’s) and a long round journey – but I can afford it (just). Not everyone can, but their support is still important.
So what’s the point of the post? Almost forgot…
We support Liverpool – we may not agree with everything that is happening right now, we may not agree with each other, but it doesn’t make us wrong. We should avoid suggesting that other people are not ‘real’ fans – that’s not fair. They are just fans with a different opinion.
Disagree, disagree, disagree, disagree….
11 Apr 2013 17:12:37
I don't get why we have even been having this conversation, people support teams for a variety of reasons geography being the most popular, but we have one thing in common is that we all love the club. People are entitled to varying opinions as long as we respect one another and back up our views. I thought we were better than all this "I'm a better supporter because my dad is stronger that yours" stuff!
Excellent post Martin.
The real AG
One of the best posts I've read on here
Reeeespect
Clarkchenko7
Agree with every word MartinR
Scousehouse
Well said.
Havoc's Call
Good post Martin you seem to have done what others couldn't, and grasped a little of what I posted yesterday!
Waro
11 Apr 2013 15:48:48
Can anyone see us selling and buying the following in the summer.
Carroll seems to be a departure in the summer. Whether Newcastle or West Ham sign him I don't care we just need a decent fee for our own summer kitty. Tough call on predicting the fee we will get. I can see Newcastle trying to get him on the cheap, but I hope we receive at least the 17 million being mooted.
Spearing is another who will return from loan that I can't see having a future at the club. A fee in region of 4 million would be reasonable if we can get it. Would accept 3 though.
Pacheco is another I can see leaving but again only a moderate fee will be received for him. Possibly 3 or 4 million.
Downing. Although he's improved immensely from last season I still think he's a level too low for what we need. His improved form can only help us get a reasonable fee for him, say 10-12 million would be good enough for me.
Coates. Doesn't seem to be wanted by Rodgers and can see him moving to Italy or Spain. Can still see us getting a fee in the region of 5-6 million for him though he's still young and is still highly regarded.
Skrtle. Out of all the players I think if any he has the best chance of staying. Some work on his game in the summer may improve his form, but if he was to leave we could received in the region of 15-20 million (depending on whether a Russian side comes in).
With regards to signings I would like to see us making move/enquiries on these.
T. Alderweireld seems to be interested in moving to the prem and we could interest him in moving to us. Would probably cost 8-12 million, but his versatality and age would make him a good deal.
S. De Vrij. If Skrtle left and with Carragher retiring we will need more than one defender arriving at Anfield this summer. I do like this player and if Skrtle left. I would love De Vrij and Alderweireld to be their replacements. Unsure on his fee but would guess at 10-15 million.
When it comes to the midfield there's so many that you couldn't really say who it would be down to. We've been linked with Eriksen, Honda, Capel, Jeffren, Isco, Munian, Susaeta, Alonso to name a few. To be fair I'd probably take most of these.
In Eriksen, Munian, Isco and Susaeta you would be looking at at least 15-20 million each. Whether we can afford any of these is anyone's guess, but I think all of us would be happy with a Eriksen, Munian or Isco.
As for attack I don't see us moving for any forwards. Like everyone else I would love to see Alexis Sanchez at the club, but I think he would opt for a CL club as opposed to us.
Anyway just an opinion and some thoughts. Who does everyone else see being the players that leave this summer and how much do you think we will receive for the,?
Jonesred
I saw an Ed the other day saying De Vrij is no longer of interest, don't remember why. And Downing I think we need to keep - simply because he's good enough to manage and his position is way too low a priority for us to change
I can see alderweireld definitely joining spurs probably along with eriksen!
For the outgoing players the fees are far too high unfortunately. Probably be something more like;
Carroll 12-15m
Spearing 1.5m-2.5m
Coates 4-6m
Skrtel 10-15m depending on whether one of the Russian clubs come calling.
Downings value is probably around 8m but don't really see him leaving now.
Pacheco, Wilson will be nominal fees.
Luc YNWA {Ed002's Note -
11 Apr 2013 15:23:01
So most people here determine LFC to be a family club, its what attracts many people to the club. So if a baby is born to the family does it make you more important than them because you were born, hopefully not. Its the same with Liverpool if you became a fan 60 years ago or yesterday you are still just as important to the fan base as anyone else. That's why I would never tell anyone to go support another club.
Lil Red
11 Apr 2013 15:18:35
Got my tickets, flights and accomodation for melbourne today. sold out in record time and with no advertising. man u would never achieve that, and we follow our team through the good and the bad. Seat q16. say hello and check out my ynwa knuckle tattoo. will be among 90,000 friends can't wait hope to see you there
Are they really selling 90000 tickets? if that's true that would have to be some sort of record for a friendly I would think.
Woooo! Congrats. That is quite an achievement. Never mind winning the Premier League AGAIN, let's try and emulate this monumental achievement by Liverpool.
s20c
Selling? They sold out in about 30 seconds
11 Apr 2013 14:52:18
Unfortunately I've been away from this site for the last few days, (interweb problems).
Now I'm back I'm like, what the hell is going on? Did I miss something? Everyone seems to want to kill each other. This is supposed to be a Banter page for all Liverpool fans, to have a laugh and vent different opinions, agree or disagree about footballing matters related to our great club that we all love.
Fighting and arguing with each other over who's a real fan or not,,, well that's just ridiculous and pointless.
I was over in South Africa 2 years ago building houses for charity and I saw some poor kid in this really s***y hostel/camp, he had a Liverpool jersey on, no joke, the one from the eighties with candy on the front. He was tellin me he loved Steven Gerrard and Liverpool and would walk up to this local dodgy bar (despite the fact he was like 13) every week to watch them play. I thought he was an absolute legend and was just proud of him and my team, I think it's great for Liverpool to have so many fans, rich, poor, old or young from around different parts of the world. I didn't start shouting at him, saying, hey kid, take that f***ing jersey off, you can't be a real LFC fan unless you travel all the way to England and go to Anfield.
So let's stop arguing on here now, we should all meet up at the weekend for a pint, let's just get back to the way things were and we can all agree that despite no league title in 20 something years, Liverpool fans are still the most loyal and best supporters around.
I also went to africa a few years ago and saw the same thing, I asked all the kids who we played a couple of matches against in the baking sun and nearly all of them said they supported Liverpool, I was so proud of them. on kid said his dream was to be a doctor and go to the uk and send his family money every month and tht once a year he could bring his whole family and go to anfield to see steven gerrard play. some of these kids were incredible on the ball, lfc need to get some scouts out to the central african countries I believe there is a wealth of hidden talent there. these kids love football and play it whenever they get the chance. they play with no shoes on ground covered in thorns and creatures like its nothing ( I tried it got needles sticking out of both my feet and got stung by a scorpion, happy days) anyway I completely agree with the poster above loyalty isn't gaged on how many times you have been to anfield or made the trip, its about supporting the club where ever you are and enjoy life, no matter who you are or where you, tht doesn't make you a bad fan :)
lfc4lifeynwa
Great post
That 13 year old is just as much a Liverpool fan as someone going to every game.
G
Love it! And then you think of the drivel posted by Smithy and Waro. Tell what you posted to that kid Smithy.
The real AG
11 Apr 2013 14:18:51
I can't stand rafa Benitez. He won the champions league through gerrard alonso and Garcia. He nearly ballsed up the fa cup final. He ballsed up the 2008/09 season when we were easily the best side in the premier league. He bought over 100 and sumert players spent 280 million in 4 seasons and sold our second best midfielder in alonso. He was arrogant and made stupid decision like at inter milan and Chelsea. And now he expects to manage us again. I feel he is just a huge step backwards and he left because we were in the crap financially, now were ok he wants to ruin us again. It's the Harry red knapp syndrome.
Scouse Ben
Plus did I mention that he played Harry kewell in the final defensive midfield aswell as sub Torres at Birmingham, and gerrard scratches his head thinking what a muppet.
Scouse Ben
Don't think i'd say can't stand rafa but I think it would be a backward step and i'm happy with br think rafa is wrong saying what he has said, think hamaan had huge impact in cl and rafa did get his tactics spot on during that campaign more often than not with not the greatest team, as for fa cup nearly but didn't, and league if we were the best team then we would of won it and we got as close as we have ever been in league that year so don't quite get the calling of rafa on those points but yes he did waste a lot of money and with that sort of money spent should of competed more in league
Finally some one has seen the light benitez is a spent force, had he not won the champs league would we all still miss him,,,, I doubt it ajh 316
What are the synptoms of the harry Syndrome I think I may have it!
I keep saying the word Daniel!
He won the cl and now were ok sentences says it all don't think it would be good for him or us if he came back but don't be nasty he just realises he will never have a better club and supporters than ours my comment to rafa would be thankyou very much and good luck for your future
If you think he won the CL though Gerrard, Alonso and Garcia you are wrong for a start (Hamman, Hypia, Dudek, Carragher? ringing any bells for you?). But let's pretend you're right for a moment and he did it through those 3 alone. He had brought in 2 of those three players.
Agree that his transfer policy was questionable, he wasnt the best and had equal great and poor stuff. However, Alonso was preparing to force a move he couldn't keep him, letting him go to Real wasnt a bad move it wasnt a move he wanted to do.
What stupid decisions had he made at Chelsea and Inter? He opens his mouth too much but in both teams he's dealt with toxic dressing rooms and unbalanced squads, and in Chelsea has done quite well - he wasnt given a chance at Inter.
I don't want him managing us again in the near future, but I think you're being very unfair with this. Oh and if I remember correctly, Carragher was the one that nearly ruined the FA cup final - we scored 3 and Carragher, on his own, gave them three.
There was a reply by Ed 002 to Rafas comment the other day and he thought he meant returning to the city ( to live ). Maybe you all need to start reading between the lines and not what the press are trying to imply to get a headline.
Given what the press has reported about us in the past I thought you would have been a bit wiser by now.
Like ED 001 said the other week even if you don't want him as a manager you can like him as a man.
Do you really think he would deliberately try to harm the club? that's actually a bit offensive.
Harry redknapp symptoms equals bankrupting clubs
Bourmouth
Portsmouth
Southampton until recently with good management
Qpr oh dear they are going to be in some diabolical trouble
West ham went down hill money wise after his spell.
However he did a excellent job with spurs.
Rafa Benitez
Valencia were in diabolical financial terms when he left.
Liverpool nearly went in to liquidation
Inter Milan since he left have been on a consistent downfall.
He had ages out of management for a reason lads. I don't think people realise that we nearly went bust the club I have had a season ticket with for past 18 years.
"he expects to manage us again". wtf are you on.
11 Apr 2013 14:08:14
I read here earlier someone said most of the current fans think football started in the 90's or 2000's and they are definitely right. So I'm starting to think football in general has started to get a bit fickle with fans getting all their knowledge from 'fifa' or football manager. Its becoming increasingly difficult to have a sensible debate these days with my mates, every one is a bit fickle.
They all think football started a few years ago and think Liverpool are a team of the past, then I point out our last trophy was in 2011 and they say it is a crap trophy, they also fail to see Suarez's quality, even though he's top scorer because he is 'racist'. One of them says man u won the premier league 20 times, and Liverpool won it no times, I point out that the premiership couldn't have been open long enough for that and get told but you support Liverpool even though they know I'm right.
So I just don't try anymore, on the bright side at least I've made it clear I'm a Liverpool supporter. Has anyone else experienced the same.
Lil Red
Yes mate I have similar problems. All my mates bar one support United. I always explain to them that we have battered teams this season and been unlucky, whereas United haven't exactly played great this season. There response is just where are Liverpool in the league and United are top etc. Football isn't always about results though. It is about how the game is played, the spirit, the pride, the passion. It is much more than a results game. Yes it is annoying when we batter teams and lose/draw but as long as there are signs of progress I'm happy! I mean one mate is a United fan but never watches a game. In fact most matchdays I get a text off him saying 'what score was the United match?'. But what annoys me is he never watches his own team but yet makes comments about other teams! Some just see it as a game but it is much, much more than that! It is like a second religion! It's not all about the end product, it is also about the process. My mates see it as a results game only. I mean I was having a debate with one the other day. He said Liverpool should sack Rodgers because Liverpool aren't going to win anything this season. My response was 'did United sack Fergie because they won nothing last season?'. The reason was because the board are confident he can deliver, just like the Liverpool board have confidence in Rodgers.
I'm going off point a little here but long story short-The result only tells half the story, it is what goes into getting that result which is important in my opinion.
Cheers,
LS7.
Surely our last trophy was in 2012. ? No? Or was I asleep for a year?
People follow success!
If you meet someone and you tell them you are poor and have abysmal luck very few will want to know you on the other hand if you meet people and tell them you are rich and successful you have grabbed their interest.
Getting interest and sustaining interest is not the same thing at least for the floating majority!
Island Nation
Well, despite the last few years I still couldn't see myself supporting another team (apart from my local one)
derryred
11 Apr 2013 18:17:53
Mate atleast you are lucky to have knowledgeable fan with you. One of my friend is Man United supporter but he didn't know what is offside. I will win every debate whenever we have. I made an impression that arling cup is equal to UCL and he still belives that statement.
ynwa
11 Apr 2013 14:07:16
I really don't understand all this talk about who is a real lpool fan and who isn't based on how many games you go to and how why or how you 1st started supporting lpool, at the end of the day all lpool fans support the club and many differ in our opinions on management, players, owners can you all say hand on heart you never called lucas 4 years ago or moaned bout rafa, hodgson, daglish, when they were in charge or even how many of us cheered hicks and Gillette when we signed torres we all have different opinions and opinions change over time based on how we as a club are performing unfortunately we are not in our greatest era of our clubs history but I firmly believe that will change in 2-3 seasons but when they do change we all as Liverpool fans will all be happy and cheering we all aim to see the best for the club but there is no secret potion it will take time so stop the bickering, just to justify my post I have supported lpool from the age of 5 my dad supports Wrexham I started supporting lpool by chance as a game was on telly and lpool were on and that was it and me and my son go to games bout 5 times a year does that qualify me to have an opinion lol
11 Apr 2013 13:33:31
I don't usually agree with waro but I think he's right this time in some aspects of his post. However There are many people on this site who couldn't afford to get to every game, if you live in Australia, or Africa then its just not practical to come to England every 3 days for matches your looking at mega bucks if you wanted to do that, in fact it could be a once in a lifetime opportunity for them to come to Anfield.
Although people do need to live their lives I agree if you can afford to go to games but choose not to then you do not deserve to slate others who do go about the atmosphere. There was a post here a few months ago slating players and fans for the performance the poster also said he was a lifelong Liverpool fan but he couldn't be arsed to go to games while they were playing this badly, posts like this do contradict if other fans who do go should have to make the game enjoyable for you then you shouldn't slate them for the atmosphere.
I also agree the words loyal and fan are branded about too often. My mate supported Chelsea and went to games then started supporting city after they won the premier league he also attends their games. So attending games doesn't make you a loyal fan, its the love you have for a club. So I can see why so many people took offense to what was posted, although waro's post was in no way xenophobic or racist as was said, it was just his point of view. But telling others to support another club is just childish and arrogant, its like telling your child to find another family if you have a dispute with them.
sorry for the long post.
Lil Red
11 Apr 2013 14:03:23
Liverpool FC is a worldwide supported business BASED in Liverpool and owned by Americans. Liverpool FC aim to achieve global recognition and a high reputation in order to make the business as successful as possible.
From a fans perspective, a supporter is a fan who shows their support by going to watch the games and standing by the club through tough times as well as the good times.
From the business perspective, a supporter is a customer. A supporter is income. Each supporter means increased revenue coming into the business.
A supporter pays to go to the games, they pay for Liverpool FC products, they pay for Liverpool Membership and they pay for much more.
Liverpool FC do not, and never have demanded just Local recognition and support. Their aim to is to gain income from as many customers as possible worldwide, Including sponsors such as Standard Chartered. Standard Chartered Bank was formed by the Standard Bank of British South Africa and the Chartered Bank of India, Australia and China.
Also, why do you think the club take pre-season tours to America, Australia, Thailand etc? Capital, income, revenue, profit!
Next season LFC will probably have only one Liverpool born EMPLOYEE in the starting 11. Gerrard! Currently LFC have players/employees from Uruguay, Brazil, Denmark, Spain, England, Slovakia, Scotland, Wales, Italy etc.
Imagine if Liverpool FC only had supporters from Liverpool, if they only had sponsors who are from Liverpool, if they only had players who are from Liverpool and if they only had owners who are from Liverpool. Would LFC be the successful business that they are today? The answer is No!
Even if you are not from Liverpool, but you are spending your hard earned income on LFC. You are financially supporting that club, and you are just as much a supporter as someone who is from Liverpool.
YNWA
11 Apr 2013 14:17:08
I'm regretting making this point because most of you are missing it.
Waro
I am from South England but care about the club more than I do my own involvement.
It is essential Liverpool Football Club beats with a Liverpool heart and has a spine that is passionately affiliated to the Merseyside region if not the club itself.
That is more important to the club in short, medium and long term than anything.
Waro, Of course I understand the point you are making.
In fact I totally agree with you, however I believe that both supporters from Liverpool as well as supporters from else where should not be making such comments as to 'Go and support City or Chelsea'.
In my opinion such comments are pathetic and childish.
My point is merely stating that no matter where you are from, you have a choice of which team you support. And if you are in some way financially supporting the club, you have just as much say as anyone else.
If in the future you read such posts as those stated, I would recommend you skip past them as they are not worth time bothering with.
Then why make the post if not for people to understand?
Do you want to say one thing but mean another?
CuriousJorge
You muddied the waters Waro when you said about gloryhunting. You'd have had to start supporting the club in at least the 1950's for that accusation not to stick to anyone. {Ed001's Note - except the club already had league titles even then.}
Don't worry, us foreign supporters got it all right.
'I'm regretting making this point now, most of you are missing it
Waro'
No, we got it. Most of us agree with the point about telling supporters to go support other teams. And then you kept talking and turned into a vile example of a fan. Then when you realized what people thought of you, you tried to change your point but just ended up digging that hole deeper and deeper.
They did Ed001 yes. But if Shankly had never arrived, suppose we'd done a Preston North End or a Huddersfield and gone down the leagues.
There wouldn't have been the subsequent "glory" and most people, from the city or not, would not support the club. That's all I'm saying.
I agree that locals have a more solid connection but there has to be a decent enough product to consume, if you like. And it's that product that draws everyone. So in that sense everyone's a "gloryhunter".
Sam show me were I said go and support another team to anyone in any of my posts in the last two days! So NO you clearly havn't grasped my post at all, so I will put it in a nutshell for you.
My point was. Don't tell a fan from Liverpool to Timbuktu to go and support City/Chelsea if you don't agree with there post when the person saying " GO SUPPORT CITY or CHELSEA " wouldn't be supporting Liverpool at all if it wasn't for our rich history.
Now if you still can't grasp that then it must be lost in translation or your thick! This is the last post i'm commenting on about this because I can't dumb it down any further!
Waro
Oh and I forgot to tag this on to that last post, I genuinly don't care what anyone thinks of me on this site and I have posted on here for quite a while, you clearly fall into the needy catagory that I have mentioned on here before that need smoke blowing up your arse when you post, I post to get my point across about all things L. F. C. and couldn't care less if every single person on here doesn't like what I have to say, in fact I quite like it when most people don't, ha ha.
Waro
11 Apr 2013 13:17:54
On the issue of supporters from outside Liverpool- my family is from Liverpool, and my brother married a Spanish woman and moved to Essex.
So he has two half Spanish children living in Essex who are growing up as keen LFC fans.
Another bother moved to Nottingham, and his two kids are both mad LFC fans down there.
I know people from Liverpool who've moved all over the world but whose kids will be lifelong LFC fans, and who will persuade other kids around them to support LFC.
Other people, from countries all over the world, just fall in love with the game of football, and many are attracted by the traditions and the spirit of LFC.
There are tens of thousands of fans in Asia and India who are the most passionate LFC supporters you could ever meet, and who are very knowledgeable about the game too.
People from Liverpool should actually be grateful for the global interest and support for the club. It is partly that global support which attracted FSG in the first place, at a time when the club might otherwise have gone into receivership, lost many points (and key players), and maybe even been relegated.
Our global support allows LFC to punch above its weight in many ways.
One thing I find interesting is that fans who began to support LFC in the 70s and 80s when they were the strongest force in British football, could be accused of being glory hunters- although I wouldn't do that personally.
But younger fans and overseas fans can't be accused of being glory hunters, regardless of where they come from.
They have grown up supporting the idea of a club which does have some occasional glorious triumphs (such as 2005), but which is essentially struggling to regain one of the top places in football.
I like the idea of fans who are attracted to supporting a club that is fighting to regain its position against increasingly strong opposition- those are the sorts of fans with passion.
Wherever you are around the world LFC fans, I know you'll be glued to the TV or PC screen on Saturday, following every kick just as intently as those who are lucky enough to be sitting in the Kop end, and cheering the lads on, whether you are ten yards away or ten thousand miles.
And long may it continue.
11 Apr 2013 13:05:27
just a quick question to any eds or anyone who knows their football. How good is Liverpools youth set up? is it up there with the best in England/Europe/world?
ive been watching a lot of it this year and have been impressed when watching us play.
many thanks
max {Ed001's Note - it is one of the better youth systems in Europe, hence the invite to the NextGen.}
Many thanks ed
max
11 Apr 2013 13:03:08
I'm going to break away from the Waro, armchair fan and Sturridge bashing.
I have summarised all the defenders, and all the midfielders now.
In response to the Real AG, I contemplated doing Adorjan yesterday, but couldn't quite decide if he was a forward or a midfielder. I opted for a forward in the end! haha
-Suarez has the ability to go past a man with ease. He is surprisngly good in the air scoring quite a few headers. His finishing is sometimes clinical beyond any other player on earth, but then his next shot will hit the corner flag. He needs to work on his composure. A type of goal he does add is the ood spectacular hit from nowhere, and sublime freekicks. He is also very good on the assist front, creating chances for his teamates regularly. Physically, he is not a giant, or a speed merchant, but he has strength in abundance, and a canny ability to bundle and trick his way through people! In terms of poaching, he isn't really that sort of player, but grabs the odd scrappy goal.
-Sturridge isn't particularly skillful, but can go round a man. His heading is average, and his finishing is usually clinical (but sometimes he buckles under pressure). He is a good hold up player, and brings others into the game, claiming the occasional assist, but he can be greedy sometimes. He is lightening fast, and actually fairly strong as well. His main attribute to note is instict. If there's a lose ball, he's there. A true poacher.
-Downing is good at gonig round a man, but lacks the confidence to do so too often. His heading isn't really an issue to discuss as he is usually the man crossing it, but he did score one against Wigan recently. Finishing wise he has improved, and can hit them from range, but needs to improve his shots to goals ratio for me. He creates very good chances sometimes, and has a fair feww assits this year, despite not taking set pieces like others. He is fairly quick, but small, and easily bustled out sometimes.
-Coutinho has skill like no other forward we have. He is a box of tricks. One thing I have to comment on is his vision. His ability to create something from nothing is truly 'Brazilian'! He is not a header of the ball, but has demonstrated natural finishing ability. He will only improve. He is very fast off the mark, and not as weak as I expected. He has cropped up in the right place on few occasions, but poaching will never be his game. He is a link up forward.
-Borini has a few issues. He lacks the ability to go round a player, and doesn't seem great in the air. His finishing has seemed pressured so far, and he is not one to create chances for others. Physically, he is too weak, and not fast enough, but his movement is good which makes up for that. He is quite quick off the mark, but by no means a sprinter. He is a brn poacher, but he lacks experience and strength. I'd have him in the gym working on his physicality, as that may improve his aerial ability as well, and he could add hold up play to his game and be something of a Ruud Van Nistelrooy. People forget how young he is. Hopefull he can cut out the injuries from his game, but one thing I do like is his workrate. Of all our forwards, only Suarez can better the running this kid does.
-Yesil is quite skillful, and a great all round finisher. Heading, Volleys, 1 0n 1. you name it. He can score from very tight spaces in and around the box. He brings others into the attack very well to. Nicknamed 'Gerd' which can only be a compliment, he is quite fast, and seems fairly strong for his age. He is always in a great scoring position, but to say he can only poach goals, would be an injustice, as he has the potential to be one of the best all round forwards in the game.
-Moran and Ngoo have both hit a stagnation. Loans have been tried for both, and despite Ngoo impressing slightly, he is in the SPL. Both are good finishers, and Ngoo is tall but doesn't seem to bag the amount of headed goals you'd expect. Of the two player, Ngoo has the best chance of making it, as he is strong, and great at holding up the ball. His control is also good, and he grabs a few goals. Morgan has always been described as a player with no stand out abilities, who somehow manages to score goals. He is a poacher, but the problem with that is, if he isn't scoring, he's adding nothing to the team. He could turn out to be a great impact sub, much like Hernandez or Solksjaer, but that's probably just me being hopeful.
-Assaidi is a weird one. He is very skillful, yet always seems to try to much and lose possession. He is not an aerial threat by any stretch of the imagination, and doesn't get in the box enough for me. He hasn't really shown his finishing ability at al in our shirt. He creates chances, but rarely good ones. He is lightning fast, possibly the fastest in our team at the moment, but runs down blind alleys. He needs to add end product to his game, as at 24, he's a winger supposedly in his prime!
-Adorjan is a very good passer of the ball. He has the ability ro stand still and score, or lay off others. Far from a physical specimen, but technically good, and great around the box for the little one twos. He scores good doals, but not often enough. I like him, and he would suit the system, but at 20, he needs to breakthrough sooner rather than later.
-Sterling and Ibe. Both are very similar. Skillful, and good in front of goal, can score special golas, and create brilliant chances from nothing. England rarely produces players like this. Chamberlain being the only other I can think of on their level at this age (no Zaha jokes please). They are both very fast, and not particularly large. However Ibe has a physical presence about him, that could see him over take Sterling as the better forward prospect. Sterling gets muscled out too easily, and like Borini, needs to hit the gym.
-Sinclair is a fast goalscoring attacker who is best suited down the middle. He is quite an all round forward to be honest, but is too young to judge for now. Our youngest player in history presents high hopes though, and could be the next Owen.
-Finally is a man (who after recent games) I cannot ignore. Jack Dunn. He is fast, skillful and can certainly bag a few goals. He creates brilliant opportunities, and isn't easily knocked off the ball. He will be a great wide forward one day, and has perhaps crept under the radar due to Sterling and Ibe.
As always, hope these Summaries are fair, and you enjoyed the read. Sorry for the length again (and yes I say that to my missus too HB ;) and let's get behind the team for the weekend! Hopefully someone from this list, will give us some goals!
Sorry for spelling, you want to try typing this all in a half hour lunch break!
YNWA! (Adam)
I don't think adam morgan appreciates being called a moran, maybe that's why some people think he won't make it.
Lil Red
Ngoo may be playing in the SPL, but he is impressing in a team where the majority of it's talent has jumped ship, moral is through the basement floor and to say service is minimal would be an overstatement of the service he gets. SPL is about championship level, and so far he's impressed to an extent at every level he's played at
Lol, glad you enjoyed the joke. I'm a United fan so have no vested interest in your transfers but I do enjoy reading your summary of your players. Good effort!
HB
Another good one Adam.
Ibe certainly has that physicality about him that could see him indeed overtake Sterling, provided he gets the chance.
I particularly agree with you on young Jack Dunn. I have been very impressed with the his work rate in particular and his never give up attitude, which is difficult to find in wide players, although I thing he started of as an attacking midfielder.
One thing about Coutinho you missed his is ability to get into the box. When the ball is wide left, he tries to get into the box. If only Downing did that!
Another young player to look out for is Kristoffer Peterson. He needs to improve a lot, but I see a very talented young man there.
The real AG
11 Apr 2013 12:31:00
"The whole of my life, what they wanted was honesty. They were not concerned with cultured football, but with triers who gave one hundred percent. "
Bob Paisley on the Kop.
11 Apr 2013 12:09:28
My points yesterday were
1. If Shankly had never come and Liverpool were a 3rd tier side, 99% of us wouldn't be here or have started supporting them in the first place. Scouser or non-scouser. The average Div 2 attendance in 2012 was just over 4,000 and there is no reason to suggest that Liverpool would be that much different.
2. You're not "born a red". Your parents can tell or advise you, but at some point in your childhood you make your own choice. And those triggers are the same for everyone. You're taken to a game, or you admire the team or a player on telly, and then if you like it, that's it. It's natural that kids are attracted to the successful, and it's wrong to slate kids who favour Man City or whoever now.
3. I should have said if you have the chance to go to a match, you should go. But it seems to me, and I accept this is anecdotal, that a lot of people are not prepared to make sacrifices anymore to go. That's my impression.
Regarding point 1: When Shankly arrived at Liverpool, Liverpool were in the old 2nd Division - what is now the Championship. Don't confuse todays 2nd Division with the old 2nd Division.
Their first ever season was in the Lancashire league and they finished it as champions, and gained promotion to the old second division. They won that at the first attempt as well.
Liverpool had won the 1st Division title 5 times before Shankly arrived.
Liverpool have never been "a 3rd tier side".
And again you are told - no-one minds if people new to the sport choose to support City or United. It's those who support City or Untied now, but in two years will be supporting Chelsea and denying they ever supported City
DJP
I said "if".
I know the club's history.
Bit if Liverpool were in the 3rd tier, the support would be about the same as the rest of the teams at that level.
11 Apr 2013 12:07:59
Does anyone ever get the feeling there is someone not reading posts and just hitting the disagree button on every post? Does my head in some times haha!
Sorry had to press it:)
I pressed it to, sorry!
Thes mell
11 Apr 2013 09:08:38
Hey eds any chance of a move for both Christian eriksen and toby alderwiereld {Ed019's Note - It is possible, even more so if we sell Skrtel}
11 Apr 2013 12:32:39
Good Ed, I love that reply. For once at least we can get a positive reply. It is possible but not we wil get himl. Again not the long shots about how Norwich, Blackpool or Millwall have been after him and how he has turned down Leeds United in preference of Celtic FC. Just keep it positive and help calm down our restletvess.
Wont get either
Anyone think alderwiereld is to similar to agger would they complement each other or clash? What's your opinion ed019 ed001 fans? {Ed019's Note - I think they'd work just fine}
11 Apr 2013 11:35:04
working here in manchester just having a debate bout right backs - I am with a citeh fan and one from the other half of the city.
i suggested Rob Jones if he had stayed injury free would have been englands right back and was a great player to be laughed at - now I may have red tinted glasses on and memory okays tricks but I remember Trigger being outstanding for us am I correct? was he that good? and would ratboy got as many caps if the trigger had been fit what do you think? {Ed001's Note - Jones was at least twice the player Neville could ever dream of being, England's best right back of my time. Absolute class, defensively solid (completely marked Giggs out of a game on his debut at Old Trafford), and also excellent as attacking support, decent crosser of the ball too.}
Remember his debut well, he had to be subbed because he was knackered (may have been severe cramp) and he had Giggs in his pocket all match, this was a time when Giggs was running at every defender. If he had stayed injury free he would have been number one right back for Liverpool and england for years, the lad was absolute class.
McB
11 Apr 2013 13:22:18
he was fantastic, wish Johnson was half as good. (not an attack on johnson)
Malak
He was a complete full back, big shame he had so many injury problems
11 Apr 2013 11:34:56
I've been a Liverpool fan my whole life, growing up in a family of Manchester United fans. I'm living in Dublin and if I'm being honest I know more United fans around here than Liverpool fans. All my mates are also United fans with the exception of one guy who is on his way to Australia with his family. So I am a Liverpool fan surrounded by United fans. Now from a very young age (I think I was only about 5!) I told my father I wanted to choose what team I support (because at the time I was a United fan because my father made me one!). So anyway I remember there was a Liverpool game on TV and I was watching it with my grandfather (Forest fan). All I remember is the Liverpool fans singing You'll Never Walk Alone and my grandfather singing along! It was over 20 years ago but I remember it so well. That was the moment I was converted to a Liverpool fan. Back in my parents house I had everything Liverpool. Blankets, curtains, lampshade, posters, wallpaper, the lot! So yes, I grew up in a house of United supporters. I have supported Liverpool since and have never looked back. I may not have went to many games, in fact, I've only ever went to 4 games as I couldn't afford the travel costs along with accomodation and match tickets. If you don't go to church every week does it mean you don't believe in God? No. So if I don't go to games regularly does that mean I'm not a Liverpool fan? No. It means I can't afford to go to too many matches, but I have watched every game for the past 5/6 years either on TV or on the internet. The last game I went to was the game against Chelsea at the end of last season when we thumped them 4-1, and it was the best experience of my life. I didn't meet new friends, I met family. I would love to be able to go every week but I can't. Liverpool FC is more than just a club. It is a family, and that is what makes it so special to me. I may not go to every game but I am one of the biggest Liverpool fans on this planet and I would love nothing more than to see us winning our first Premier League title. It is not all about going to games, it is about having the pride and passion of being a Liverpool fan.
Sorry for the long post!
Cheers,
LS7.
The person who disagrees with this post needs his head checking.
The real AG
Haha cheers mate!
LS7.
11 Apr 2013 12:47:16
i thought you were the real Luis Suarez as your posts always are positive and supportive of the team and BR.
What a shame you aren't since I think you said once you will stay with us:) (just kidding)
But respect for being a supporter despite growing up in a house of rivals ;) You are a true RED.
Malak
Great post mate. 100% agree with you.
I am shocked to see people have disagreed with you. I can only presume its other non LFC fans trolling this site
Cheers Malak (the expert on Egyptian football!)
LS7.
Cheers Kelly Red. Ah I don't mind who disagrees as long as I get to express my feelings towards the topic which is why I love this site!
Cheers,
LS7.
11 Apr 2013 11:31:06
According to Survey more then 65% of Fans haven't seen Liverpool Lift League Title, and Liverpool gained more then 36% of fans when Liverpool won Champions league in 2005, since 2008 Liverpool is leading club losing a lot of Young generarion fans which is a big worry to the club at the sametime every year Liverpool reputation is getting hit in global market because of lack of Champions league which is leading Liverpool Financial woes, champions League is Very importan for FSG if Liverpool don't achieve Champions league soon as possible then big changes are going to happen at the sametime will be very, very difficult to attract new sponsors.
Scousers need to breed more!
Have ti disagree about loseing fans my friend has two sons he's a leeds supporter but his 2 sons have begun to support Liverpool for some reason don't no why must be school or friends they are 8&9
All I can say was that must have been one hell of a game to pick up 36% of our fan base. I would dispute those figures though. This comment also says nothing about all the born again Manchester United supporter that started to sprout up like a bad rash circa mid 1990's. It's clear to see the united empire is running out of steam, money, management, with aging players, debts and not real European success during its best years. All they've done in 20 years is close a gap, which was once an abyss.
And we have just sold out 90. 000 capacity for the pre season game in australia in one day
Success was not why I started supporting Liverpool.
11 Apr 2013 11:18:24
as long as you are NOT a glory hunter and support teams because they win trophies and support the club through good and ad times you are a true supporter whether you are a scouser or non scouser if you go to every single match or the odd one we all share the same love for the club being a scouser doesn't mean you love the club more than anyone else in a different country being a scouser myself and going to most matches there are many foreigners that go the match they support the club just as much as anyone else in the ground being from Liverpool does not make us super fans we support and love our club the same as anyone else
Lfc Liam
Well said Liam and yet some person disagreed.
The real AG
Well said Liam.
Over here in Australia, the games range anywhere from midnight to 4am live. I always get up and watch the game live no matter the time or day of the week.
Not saying that makes me a better fan than anyone else, but takes commitment and pure love for the club sometimes - as I am not as young as I like to think I am.
11 Apr 2013 10:32:53
Why would anyone want LFC to be so unpopular that only people born in Liverpool want to support them?
I'm immensely proud of the fact that LFC is popular worldwide despite it's recent barren run.
I say that as a relatively local fan of 27 seasons.
Serge N'Gian
Thats a question you should ask to the KOP magazine!
11 Apr 2013 08:59:46
Pi**ing about trying to get Sturridge on loan- instead of just buying him- was not a sensible thing to do when there were only days left before the window closed.
I believe that refusal to spend 12m last summer actually cost us a European place next season, because although I think Sterling and Downing have talent, they just don't have enough goals in them, and an extra few goals from Sturridge in the first half of the season would have made all the difference to our points total this season.
Whoever wrote that is dead right! I was saying this exact same thing recently in a debate.
Even though I admit, I wasn't happy at the end of the transfer window when the Dempsey transfer didn't come off. {We seem to have dodged a bullet there eh}
BR doesn't rate Sturridge - lazy and not up for two games a week
Whoever wrote that was dead wrong, because Chelsea (knowing our situation) put Sturridges price at significantly more than we paid in Jan for him. It wasn't just 'no loan, no player' - we didn't have the money in the summer for what they were asking
Good post Sam, I understood that Chelsea's asking price for Sturridge in the summer was more like 16 million, fair play to Ian Ayre and LFC for not wanting to be held to ransom over the transfer fee as has been the case in the past.
DT
''BR doesn't rate Sturridge'' Then why did he buy him?
Col
Maybe BR is showing sturridge just because he is there doesn't make him unplayable so start passing the ball its about the team not you or maybe he is just shaken that injury of
It proved to be a mistake - Sturrage was bought as result of the fiasco of no replacement for Carol and now the back room staff have been working with him for a few months they have found out why both city and chelski didn’t want him – prima Dona – whos got no appetite for effort of two games a week – I don’t post much but when I do post its facts rather than fiction
11 Apr 2013 15:53:36
Unless you work at Liverpool (which I know you don't, the least thing for someone who works at Liverpool is spell his name right) that is by far the biggest pile of fiction!
No fact in your post what so ever. I can't for the life of me understand how some can critisize Sturridge and make up BS about him. He is a Liverpool player, SUPPORT HIM!
Malak
11 Apr 2013 08:58:57
"The objective is the journey, the process; the work matters. In a race you can be first, miles and miles ahead of anyone else, and then, metres from the line, fall over. And? Are you going to write that race off? You ran brilliantly. And it's far more complex than saying: win, good; don't win, bad. What enriches you is the game, not the result. The result is a piece of data. The birth rate goes up. Is that enriching? No. But the process that led to that? Now that's enriching. Fulfilment comes from the process. You debate the game not the results. Results are not debatable, they are. Do you buy a paper on a Monday morning for a euro and the only thing in it is list after list of results? Do you go into a football stadium, in the last minute of a game, have a look at the scoreboard and leave? You watch 90 minutes, which is the process. You can't validate the process through the results. Human beings tend to venerate what finished well, not what was done well. We attack what ended up badly, not what was done badly. " - Junma Lilo
mgz
Brilliant, brillaint quote, and one many would do well to take to heart.
11 Apr 2013 08:48:06
I was one of the lucky few to get tickets but more for my friends who didnt, do you know if there are any rumours that LFC may play another game in AUS this july? I know a lot of people over here are really pi**ed off with Ticketek's website crashing this morning. Would just like to know if anyone has any information.
EHRED
Ticketek website didn't crash. Once you log in a 12min timer activates. Once the times hits 0 its log you off, so you had to log in at the right time, I logged in at around 8:52am and my timer ran out just as I got the tickets.
11 Apr 2013 08:29:07
If only Liverpool fans came from Liverpool then there probably wouldn't be a team to support. Due to the global income that FANS all over the world generate for the club by buying merchandise with their hard earned cash, then to me, they have as much of a right to call themselves supporters as anybody else. Without a fanbase we would be without a club.
11 Apr 2013 08:27:37
Above all, I would like to be remembered as a man who was selfless,
who strove and worried so that others could share the glory,
and who built up a family of people who could hold their heads up high and say
We're Liverpool
Bill shankly.
gee man
11 Apr 2013 09:19:49
If I may, I'd like to put to bed the ridiculous argument that you can only support the club if you go to games regularly. Anfield has a capacity of around 45k. We play about 30 home games a season max. Ignoring the influence of home fans, a maximum of 1. 35million people can support Liverpool according to this theory if there are no season tickets and no-one sees more than one match.
Now, the rough population of Chestershire is 6m people. So what you're saying with this theory is that the theoretical maximum of people who can be 'allowed' to be called a Liverpool supporter is, give or take, 20% of the local area.
Worldwide, Liverpool have 71m fans. So again, according to this theory, an absolute theoretical maximum of people who can support LFC equals 2% of our current fanbase. If you honestly believe that 98% of our fanbase should go somewhere else, may I kindly suggest that you go away and try and destroy someone elses club because we aren't hearing it?
Taking this theory wider, the UK has 20 top flight teams with an average stadium size of about 45k again. This means that, with an average of 30 home games if we have a good run with European teams, 27m different people at most can watch football. Our England and Wales combined population is 86m. So are 59m people just not allowed to support a PL club? Even factoring in lower leagues (and remember we're assuming that every single people only sees one match a year), some people will necessarily be missed out. So are some people just not allowed to support anyone?
Anyone can support anyone that they want to, and can do it with passion no matter who they are or where they are. They financially support the club, they represent us in every walk of life around the planet and make sure we will never play without our fans backing where-ever we go. They are as vital to the club as the people at Anfield every week, and are more than happy to replace those fans at Anfield. Every single person that loves Liverpool deserves to be part of our club, and anyone that doesn't accept those that love Liverpool as supporters of the club are the ones that aren't true fans - they don't have the best interests of the club in mind, they just want to feel special and privileged themselves and feel superior to others. We are a community and that view is unacceptable
I have just uploaded a picture of the LFC Top Table in my sports bar in Kenya. This is about being a fan. Without bars and supporters all over the world LFC would be nothing. We allow the local population and the holidaymakers to be exposed to LFC and other teams. That exposure creates demand for more. The TV companies oblige and spend Billions for the right to show the games. Sitting here in Kenya, I think I probably contribute as much to the clubs coffers as most fans who are fortunate enough to visit a few home games. ( By the way, I am born and bred in Liverpool and in the early 80's had a season ticket for the Kop )
I remember from a while back that you said you were opening a sports bar. I hope it is all going well for you!
There was approximately 0% chance I was going to enjoy the original post when I saw the word theory. This jumped radically to 75% when I saw you using percentages. Maxed out at 100% when the percentages were used convincingly. Loved the post mate.
Great post samsam,
I can only presume that the people who disagreed with you only got halfway down your post, didn't understand maths or common sense and simply hit the disagree button because their heads hurt.
Much appreciated guys, and glad you agree
11 Apr 2013 07:15:47
Not leverpool related.
was watching the game between Barca and PSG.
most here says. Xavi and Ineasta is the backbone of Messi success.
Might be true to some extend.
But Ineasta is a different class.
Messi is just unbelieveble.
If Barca won yesterday, It was pure and pure the magic of little man.
Xavi could have never scored.
the lad is ultimate quality.
11 Apr 2013 06:02:47
As for the fanbase, there are two types of fans. First who know about football and are real fans. Second who know nothing but name of few players, glory hunting and brag they know everything.
I don't know about the world but I can speak about my country, INDIA. LFC has as many true fans as anyone if not more. as far as glory hunters are concerned many Manchester United fans come under this category who have no knowledge.
I can give an example on how stupid they are:
The other day a Manchester United fan asked me where will Manchester United play footie when ashes comes around and there will be eng vs aus at OT.
So number of fans means nothing but quality of fans does.
LIVERBIRD
30 Million United followers on Twitter all can't be persons!
11 Apr 2013 05:35:22
In our system under BR we have to break down teams with our link up play but we are unable sometimes like vs West Ham United and stoke.
Ed001 do u think there will be or any chance of expansion of playing area when stadium expands to complement our playing style? it will only help us.
LIVERBIRD {Ed001's Note - no, the FA set down a standard size for Premier League pitches at the start of the season, all of them have to be the same size now.}
Aww, the 89m by 90m pitch is no longer possible? : ( {Ed001's Note - they now have to be 105m x 68m in the Prem, same as in the Champions League.}
11 Apr 2013 01:15:51
With Alderweireld being linked heavily with us do you think that he is now favourite to move in the summer?
11 Apr 2013 05:51:33
really upset that I couldn't get Liverpool v melbourne victory tickets. pre sale shouldn't be allowed. {Ed049's Note - Apparently, MCG sold out within an hour}
There's another release of tickets soon - check Ticketeks website
cozinoz
11 Apr 2013 04:01:47
I live all the way over heer in Australia, so a long way from Anfield. I only started following the EPL in 2006 (only shortly after I started following football altogether) and picked Middlesborough as my team as they had Mark Schwartzer in goal and Mark Viduka up front - two prominent Aussies at the time. My wife picked Liverpool because we had pretty-boy Harry Kewell in the team at that point. Not long after the season started, I noticed that Middlesborough were never shown on tv - back then only the original big 4 teams were shown. So if you weren't playing any of them, you didn't get to see your team. Annoyed by this, I chose LFC (as opposed to Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal) as my team. At that point I had no idea about Istanbul, but quickly learned all about that night and many others. I immersed myself in everything LFC and fell deeply in love with the club and everything to do with it immediately.
I have purchased the home kit every time it changes (at $150 aussie dollars a pop) and many books by players, former players etc and read them all. I researched the clubs history and found myself emotional reading about Hillsborough, and also angry at how our fans were labelled.
I have seen us win th FA Cup and League cup, while watching Man U and Chelsea win titles and European cups. Never have I thought about changing teams and never will. I have never regretted my decision back in 2006 - the moment I started to learn about the club, I was hooked.
It shouldn't matter how we came to support the club, where we are from, or what our opinions are - this club is special to me and I feel sorry for any LFC fan who doesn't have the same feeling inside that I do when I talk about or read about our great club.
LFC is in me forever - I know that will never change despite what anyone else thinks.
I can't wait to get to Anfield one day and share a beer with you scousers on here, and banter face to face for once! {Ed049's Note - My folks from NZ are going to the Liverpool game in Melbourne, Are you? }
11 Apr 2013 09:20:47
Great post :) that's more like it :)
Malak
Ed mate - I gave it plenty of thought, but decided not to go for tickets. Sounds silly, but I adtually want to see LFC for the first time, at Anfield. I am working towards getting over there asap - can't come quick enough. I hope your folks have a great time mate.
Cheers
11 Apr 2013 01:06:09
Hi eds. Is there a chance of Liverpool signing Roma's Erik Lamela? He scored impressive 13 goals in 26 games and most probably won't play in any european competition next season. He wouldn't be cheap but we have a lot of 'dead wood' to burn. {Ed049's Note - Highly Unlikely}
11 Apr 2013 00:43:12
is waro completely xenophobic or just not like non scousers havin an opinion on the team we support especially the welsh and irish fans, even though I suspect as I am irish that most fans of my generation over here started to support the club in the 80s not only because they were winning trophies but the team had an awful lot of irish players in it ie whelan, aldridge, houghton, lawrenson, beglin, staunton to name a few.
Of course the reason why not so many scousers support Tranmere compared to Liverpool is because Tranmere are not that succesful. Even scousers are attracted by the success of Liverpool or there would be more fans supporting the likes of Tranmere.
11 Apr 2013 07:50:17
waro & smithy, and I am not trying to be disrespectful but to me you sound like 12 year old rasiscts!
I watched Liverpool for the first time in 1978, (most planks on here think football started in the 90s)
I love Football and Liverpool at that time was the definition of brilliant football! I grew up supporting none of the 2 huge clubs in Egypt, becuase I loved Liverpool I remeber saying. that's real football I remember telling my uncles. Then my dad took me to anfield in 1985 as a birthday gift, it was against westbrom and I remeber nicol and walsh scoring til this day! Now I grew up with Liverpool no matter what you say, I still love Liverpool even more now than back then and even it has been an emotional rollercoaster since 1991 nothing has changed my feeling towards this club, and when I have been lucky enough to get a ticket in the Kop most scousers there look at me and smile and I can feel there love because of my giant tatto of the liverbird on my back and they way I am completly crazy in my support in games! I have been to anfield over 60+ times now, and I have even been to old-toilet and the Bridge to support Liverpool. I am truely insulted by your words and I hope not all scousers are like you, thinking they own the club just because they were born in Liverpool. What? you could be born there but be a bitter then you are even worse. pathetic small minded mentality is what your post is waro. I rather stick to playing in the sandbox with smithy and keep the real banter nd tlk to the real men!
Malak
Waro has a point of view that is expressed by many LFC supporters.
His opinion is a valid one. He has said nothing specifically about Irish or other supporters maybe you are reading more into the post he made than needs be!
I am a LFC supporter have been to anfield many times I live in Dublin but am from Prague and know from meeting other LFC supporters that the view Waro has put forward holds true for many others.
Island Nation
11 Apr 2013 08:45:48
Look at my op you nugget, its highlighting some of the walking contridictions who post on here. To simplify it for you because your clearly struggling, not all but quite a few tell posters who have genuine concerns about the club and express them on here, are then told ( in most but not all cases ) that you just want instant success so go support man city, when in the majority of cases these posters only started supporting us because of our trophy laden history. Get it now? Have I dumbed it down enough for you to get the gist of my op?
And for the record I couldn't care less if your from mars and support us, and judging from a few who post on here we have quite a few spacemen watching the reds.
Waro
11 Apr 2013 09:58:10
Tranmere are a team on the wirral and are not from Liverpool and they hate scousers as do people from birkenhead, you are getting confused lad. Just because there accent is similar doesn't mean there scouse, listen to the subtle difference in certain words they say, its like canada and the usa, sound similar but totally different.
Waro
11 Apr 2013 11:09:43
Thank you island nation, finally a rational post, an informed lad who knows what my post was getting at. Unlike the mad ramblings of Liverpools number 1 fan malak, who calls people racist without foundation just because you have alternative view point to his!
Malak you need to slow down and read my posts again because unlike island nation you are blinded by envy my mate, it's not my problem you can't make it to games, so post with your head not your heart and you may not come across as a loon.
Waro
Canada is not very different to the USA
They are very similar they have war/peace pacts etc. between them and have many things in common
That was not a good analogy to use!
11 Apr 2013 11:53:50
i don't have time to waste on your worthless posts. I go to games all the time, I have been to anfield 3 times already this season and will be there again against everton. I don't care 1 sek about what you think, because its people like you who make a bad name of Liverpool fans, I have spent over what you will propably make in your whole life time on plane tickets and hotels etc. to come see MY beloved reds, they are just as much mine as they are yours. Concerns about where the club is headed? I tell you you are a complete ********
talking like we won the league 2 years ago. Its been 23 years, we have not been in the the CL for over 5 years, so no, its not Brendans Fault nor is it FSGs fault that the saved us from administration, we have had changes in owners and managers and we need some stabilty now. all your words are negative and your talk about FSG and BR is noncense because its there fault we haven't won the title for 23 years?. GET REAL. you are a whiny little **** and I wish I knew who you were so when am in the kop with my other scouse friends I would show who the real REDS are.
Malak
Ha ha ha, see you on Derby day Malak, there you go with your mad insulting ramblings again, you must own your own jet if you have spent more getting to Liverpool games then I will make in my life time. I've always been on decent wages but there you go.
I would love to see you at the game, make sure your waving your white flag high and in full view if you do my mate.
Waro
11 Apr 2013 12:49:49
i don't have my own jet, yet.
Malak
The view around so-called "out of towners" is not actually uncommon, disappointingly. It's often a discussion which comes up on the official forums on. tv. But it does seem to be the backward old *******s who peddle it, who don't realise that without the international fans the club would, literally, be nothing.
Dear o dear o me. I've not posted for a while Waro mate, can't be bothered but I've been following yours and Smithys recent posts. Who is this Malak pilchard?
Ozone
11 Apr 2013 00:21:36
What has happen to Liverpool fans? It seems to me that the club woes is really starting to effect our fanbase which is really shame.
Every fan has right to voice his/her opinion after all this is footy what you expect? every fan have right to demand success if she/he thinks so, don't forget because of fans today Liverpool exist. Its really tough for some fans who are missing the glory days or tired of looking united, city and chelsea dominating instead of Liverpool, this is not only about 2-3 years instead it has been going on for 23 years or more then half a deccade Liverpool played in Champions league, so honestly can you blame them!
The way I see it, is that we as fans affect the players and the club. Fans moaning can convince other fans to their way of view (which invariably is very short termed and impatient). We can either moan and place blame, putting pressure on the club, or we can support them.
Who here performs better under more pressure, or performs better knowing you have the support of those watching?
B101
Considering some of the rubbish our 'fans' spout sometimes, maybe a few of them deciding to seek new pastures isn't the worst thing in the world? Bring some younger blood to Anfield, stop people deciding as soon as they walk through the door that every manager isn't Paisley, every striker isn't Rush etc, and let the people who support the team for the love of the team, not for the love of having something to moan about, have a bit of fun
I don't think the 3 changes of ownership over the recent years has helped.
The fans expectations were raised and then lowered fairly quickly while some sides around us have got far stronger.
In all honesty FSG have done little to move the club forward, while the previous owners put the club into financial problems.
Constant changes in mangers each who gave there own visions and styles of play where done players fit and others don't.
I think if FSG were straight with the fans with regard to its plans it would help, don't like the silent treatment and hide away in the US.
Personally I hate being owned by investment groups, they don't care for our club or fans just how to get the most money out of our pockets.
11 Apr 2013 08:01:46
i can blame them, they are not real supporters! I have seen Liverpool lift the title 8 times and the CL 3 times, and I tell you the club is going in the right direction again finally! What is happening with 'Liverpool fans' is that they are not real supporters nor fans! Gloryhunters is the word for them. thinking football started in the 2000s or something. Stop whining and complaning and have PATIENCE and good things will come!
Malak
11 Apr 2013 08:06:43
and please please learn your history, Liverpool exists because everton was too cheap to pay the rent of anfield so Houlding made a new team. That is why Liverpool exists!
Malak
You have to remember that in the past the only way for fans to vent issues was with mates in the pub, however with online forums and fans rumour/banter pages it gives all fans an equal voice, unfortunatly this allows the opinions of both the good and bad to reach a much wider audience. I still feel we have the best fans in the world and that in any large group you will always have a few clowns whos words and actions don't represent the majority.
YNWA
Malak, you are the posterboy for the point I was making yesterday. Your from another country and started to support us in the 70's and onwards when were at our most suceesful ( i. e. gloryhunter ) and now your on here criticising and insulting people who have genuine fears for the club and advising them on who to support because there opinion differs to yours.
Thank you for proving my OP correct, you like many others are walking contradictions and I include this samsam9billion or whatever his name is in that, he started supporting us after Istanbul if i'm not mistaken ( apologies in advance if you didn't say that. )
I think that's why your replys are so irrational because a nerve has been touched.
Waro
11 Apr 2013 12:01:54
how can I be a glory hunter you *** when I still support Liverpool? and when I was just 5 years old when the first game of football I watched was Liverpool? I didn't tell no one to support other teams. I told them stop being little whiny ***** just like you are.
Concern about the direction of the club? the club is finally going in the right direction and you and your likes are those who will hold the club back!
Malak
I never said that. I support because my Dad supports and my dad supports because they had a player from his country so he started watching them more than others, and by the time that player left he was hooked
As I said sam apologies in advance if you didn't post that.
Waro
The shere volume of response on here explaining to you the many different ways people worldwide came to support Liverpool that have nothing to do with 'they are successful, join them'.
Also, the people that tend to get told to join Chelsea are the ones that always go for the 'sack the manager, invest £100m in 2 players and pay people 100billion to stay. Very few have any trouble with people worried about legitimate things like the effectiveness of our style etc. Maybe you're arguments are getting more and more innaccurate because so many people have proved you wrong you can't even keep track of who has proved you wrong in what way?
11 Apr 2013 12:58:36
Sam I would suggest you look at my previous posts via the search function and you will realise the error of your last post.
Waro
11 Apr 2013 14:44:07
sam my good wise mate, I would suggest you don't waste your time ;)
Malak