14 Sep 2017 15:53:42
Hi Eds. Thank you for doing great job 👍🏼
Question regarding yesterday game. We are very good in attack but not good enough in defense. Is that because of our defenders are not good or because our style of play. I noticed few times when we are attacking our midfield and full backs are high up the pitch and leave empty space and our midfielders are not to fast to come back and do defense so our two defenders exposed at the time. Do you think we should play with two holding midfielders and AMF behind CF will help to break opposition attack. Or we need solid DMF like Matic and Kante who constantly upsets apposition attack.
Appreciate your time.
Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - there are problems with both defence and midfield. We have 3 central midfielders playing the exact same role and each of them is leaving the defending to one of the others, so no one is holding back. We either need one to sit as a proper holding midfielder or a pair who can build an understanding so one holds when the other drives forward. If we change to the way Klopp is looking to play, with Coutinho ahead of a midfield pair, then the latter is what we will do.

Yesterday, most of the game you could have thrown a hankie over our 3 midfielders, they were all trying to occupy the same space on the pitch most of the time. They have no understanding, no realisation which one should be closing down which space when they are those 3. There is a reason why pairs are more successful, because it is much easier to establish an understanding with one person. When he goes, you stay, when you go, he stays. No confusion at all. When there are three and you know two of you can move forward, it means you always think you can go, because one of the others will cover. Usually it just means all 3 go, unless one is specifically instructed to sit.}

1.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 16:24:24
One more thing: How do we survive the whole season (BPL,3 cups) playing this kinda energy sapping system? Klopp knows not other way. Come Christmas we will be spent force.

{Ed025's Note - injuries will be a key factor for me RB and i fear liverpool have a squad without a massive amount of quality, the first team is very good but the back ups leave a lot to be desired mate..

2.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 16:11:38
Eds thanks for explanation. Hopefully next year will be great when Keita joins us.

{Ed001's Note - this year will be better with Coutinho in midfield as well, as it will give the players a more defined role.}

3.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 16:45:52
If any of the EDDS r around,
Last night's result was a disappointment to say the least, but it's a re-occurring think which keeps letting us down, the defence,
I said a few weeks back that KLOPP will be judged this season and I STAND by that, if this season fizzles out and we finish 5,6,or 7th then questions will be asked, where Ithink KLOPP is letting himself down is:
1 - MINGO or KARIUS - indecision from KLOPP, start be a manager and make decisions, pick one and stick to your decision
2 - CAN - why is the guy still in the team, he isn't signing a contract for us, he's basically saying he doesn't want to play for us, the guy is playing us,
3 - MORENO - why is this guy still playing for us, an accident waiting to happen, KLOPP already decided that he wasn't for him last season,

THE CLOCK IS TICKING JURGEN. OVER TO YOU.

4.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 16:46:42
What role would you say lallana played last year when fit ed?

{Ed001's Note - usually we played him and another midfielder (mostly Wijnaldum) ahead of one midfielder. I expect Coutinho to mostly fill that role this season, maybe rotate with Lallana when he returns to fitness or pair with him. Though I think it would help us if we played Couts/Lallana ahead of two deeper, instead of one deep and two forward.}

5.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 17:08:02
Perhaps a return to 4 4 2 might help with confusion that ed spoke of in our three man midfield. It would certainly get the best out of coutinio who we all know is better in a deeper role. I still think he is very strong in that left wing position and you could see him picking up that position as the clock ran down in the hope he could pick up the ball and get into position for curling one into the far post. 4 4 2 would allow Danny s to be involved more. He is pretty close to world class when he is on form and it seems mad to have someone of his calibre on the bench all year. We have the perfect wingers to play 442 and also Hendo or can sitting in front of our frankly embarrassing defenders can only help.

It's great to watch our style going forward but we have to have balance otherwise we become predictable and the clever managers will see this and set up accordingly?

I think most people here know that I'm the first to defend our players and the last to criticise them but the cbs, especially lovren, we're awful last night. There is a real crisis of confidence and a vicious circle situation. The more we knock lovren and matip, the less confidence they play with and the more mistakes they make. Judging on last night i don't think gomes is the immediate answer. We cannot sign anyone for a while so all we can do is encourage lovren and matip to improve. I think if we show them some love as fans they may up their games. If we keep knocking them I don't think they will.

I think the performance was pretty good last night. We could have been at 4 1 by half time. Sadly if not for lovren and matip we would have won the game easily. Never though i would say this but we could do with Clyne back. Both city and seville both targeted the rb and it's where the goals came from last night.

I know he made a couple of wild challenges but I thought moreno was brilliant and my mom. He is not to blame for lovren's invisible foot ( his right foot by the way)

6.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 17:27:24
Wembley. You must have watched a different game to me as moreno was fantastic and was involved in everything good that lfc did and was at fault for none of the goals. Lovren should have cleared easily. Moreno should have got goal side yes but it's not his fault that lovren has an invisible foot.

It wasn't the best result but it's not a disaster. All this "klopp the clock is tocking" is absolute media fuelled b*****x. We know he sees liverpool as a long term project. It isn't going to happen overnight and we have improved. We are in the ucl with probably the thinnest squad of the top six. (Last season) . He is one of the best managers in the world. He didn't make lovren miss the ball and if dejzn had cleared it we win the game and everyone is happy. People need to get over this trend of calling for managers heads after a handful of games. It makes me angry.

Wembley, can I ask? Who would you replace klopp with?

7.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 17:30:18
Old school conventional 4-2-3-1 with Couts playing behin Firmino and ahead of two sitting midfielders. We don't have proper holding mid in the first place. This is the best we could form till we buy one.

This won't happen coz Klopp doesn't like any players to hold and not attack! He wants everyone to attack and everyone to defend just like searching infinity!

Before bingo comes and prove my theory wrong, this is just an observation mate, 😄.

8.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 18:02:14
SUPERRED91,
Get off your high-horse, I said question will be asked, if we keep making the same mistakes and nothing is happening from the management then you have to ask questions, remember KLOPP has come with a big reputation so you would of thought grasping the art of defending is part of his and his backroom staffs job, otherwise what the bloody hell are they doing in training. it's not all about attack, attack, attack, the real great managers master it, the imposters just slip away down the leagues.

9.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 18:57:14
What do you mean get off my high horse? It wasn't klopps fault that we didn't win last night Wembley. I agree that his defencive signings have not been good enough but his attacking ones have been great. He believes in developing players rather than constant recruitment and he has been first class at that. I worry for our club when people start saying frankly ridiculous comments like "klopp the clock Is ticking" in caps. I think we are very lucky to have klopp. Some of our football is near perfect sometimes. If we lose klopp then who do we replace him with? I missed that in your response. We will go back to above average mediocrity. Looking at the squad we had at the beginning of last season a lot of people would've been surprised that we qualified for ucl. In fact liverpool fans were dissapointed we didn't win the league after our more than promising start to the season. The emergence of city and spurs has made it very hard to qualify for ucl but last night we watched our team play in the best comp in the world. Klopp has done this WITHOUT going into the red. This is the first year he has done so and I still think we will have a brilliant season. I think we will get out of our group. I think we will finish in the top four and I think we will have a cup run.

I don't blame you Wembley. It's this trend of sacking managers as soon as a couple of results don't go our way. The trend has changed football and plays right into the hands of the big spenders who can buy and player they want or need. Others like us and spurs can't do that to the same extent. We need a top class manager and we need to give them time to build the right team. These days people say 2 1/ 2 years is ages but it really isn't. If football were like this twenty years ago then man utd would've sacked Alex ferguson. Remember that before you call for klopps head.

10.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 19:49:27
Superred. Good post and you make some good points to defend and back up your opinion.
As you know I'm not a Liverpool supporter so im not coming from a position m more neutral.
I don't like klopp i don't think his history is great i think he is tactically naive and buys badly.
However that's just my opinion.
I also see that he is a passionate hard worker and that he had had some success too as a coach.
Should he be fired no imo of course not. Will he lead liverpool to success no i don't think so. I would be more fearful of this liverpool squad under a long list of managers than i am of them under klopp. He just is not the man for liverpool and won't steer them back to the top.

11.) 14 Sep 2017
14 Sep 2017 21:02:26
Wembley first of all, STOP YELLING as it does not mean you are right and btw, you are wrong. Klopp is not on any ticking clock except the one residing in your head or the one the rag media are putting out there. He is ours and mistakes or not, will have our full support. He needs time to build this team and to get it right. Pep has dropped 300m on defenders and they are still crap at the back so it tells you that good defenders and CB's are hard to find right now. It took him four seasons to create that team at BVB that was the envy of Germany and the whole of Europe. That is what he is trying to do here. Is he going to go out on the pitch and clear the ball for Lovren as well? Again, pathetic reasoning.

If you want him sacked, make an offer that FSG can't refuse, buy the club and sack him yourself. If not, keep quiet and stop projecting your opinion as fact cos using Caps Lock, means nothing and does not mean you are right.

12.) 15 Sep 2017
14 sep 2017 23:32:44
superred91,
i did not say sack him, i said questions will be asked, i am a supporter who doesn't deal in blind faith, i call it as i see it, if we keep making the same mistakes with the same results with the management not doing anything to alter it, well i'm sorry if you don't agree but questions will be asked, you need to stop burying your head in the sand, it's no good having all this attacking prowess, coupled with keystone kops defending. as i said questions will be asked.