10 Aug 2015 17:33:42
So there's been a lot of talk about yesterdays performance, who should play, who should not, challenging or not for the tile and the money spent by BR over the last 2/3 years.

I cannot believe that that team that lined out yesterday could possibly ever challenge for league, there simply is not enough top class quality there (with the exception of few) and even those who would possibly get into a top for side, will not doubt be sold off and replaced by two or three over priced flops.

Let's take a look at how many BR transfers we would regard as a good purchase (AKA a player who plays regularly, plays well more often then not and players who we'd expect would get into the first 11 of last seasons tops four).
-Fabio Borini = fail
-Joe Allen = fail
-Oussama Assaidi = fail
-Daniel Sturridge = hampered by injury but good signing all the same
-Philippe Coutinho = so far so good but how long can we hold on to him?
-Simon Mignolet = fail
-Luis Alberto = fail
-Iago Aspas = fail
-Mamadou Sakho = fail
-Kolo Toure = fail
-Tiago Ilori = fail
-Aly Cissokho(loan) = fail
-Victor Moses = fail
-Dejan Lovren = fail
-Emre Can = fail (purely because BR won't start him in his rightful position)
-Adam Lallana = fail
-Alberto Moreno(loan) = fail
-Javier Manquillo(loan) = fail
-Mario Balotelli = fail
-Rickie Lambert = fail
-Lazar Markovic = fail
-Divock Origi = fail (still young though but cost enough)

add to the above the new boys of this summer so far. early days I know but I would not expect last seasons top four feel they missed out on what we brought in
-Christian Benteke -James Milner -Danny Ings -Roberto Firmino - Nathaniel Clyne -Joe Gomez -Adam Bogdan.


Now's that' probably the longest rant I've ever posted but it's just an opinion that I'd like to share and encourage you all give your own thoughts. by the way. €300million in 3 years and you should be easily challenging but for me it's a mid table manager buying mid table players.

{Ed001's Note - Moreno is not on loan, were you thinking of Sahin, who I notice you missed off.}

1.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 17:46:20
Some players you are judging too early, players from last summer deserve this season to prove themselves.

2.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 17:46:22
Many of those players aren't 'failures'. If the manager doesn't pick them, plays them out of position or can't get the best out of them that's another matter.

3.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 17:48:11
10 of the above people you mention are failures. Others are either successes or players who are still finding their way.

4.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 17:56:40
Agree he's bought a lot of mediocre players and spent a fortune, I think lovren will be good with better coaching and llori will be a star if br ever gives him a chance, can will be fine and markovic if played in proper position, just my opinions guys,

5.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 17:55:37
What a load of cobblers.

Without going into the rest of it (which is also largely cobblers) the Coutinho point is laughable and self-defeating. If we struggle to hold onto him (and I'm not sure we are struggling given he signed a new deal) it's because he is playing well. Very well. And has been for some time.

I'm not a Captain Colgate advocate but any and all arguments for and against should be grounded in common sense. Yours aren't and are clearly not balanced.

Great character but i'd gave to say your post is a fail.

6.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 19:05:47
Most cringeworthy post I've ever seen. Emre Can fail? G-force, change your name to Eeyore already.

7.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 19:16:43
G-Force, if you're going to cast aside so many with just a one word disparaging remark then at least give credit with the same measure of definiteness and call Coutinho and Sturridge what they are - a success. Just saying oh yeah he's alright but we'll probably lose him soon is hardly a fair assessment of a successful transfer.

Despite this, I do agree with the underlying point of your post which is over the last few years we've wasted vast amounts of money on transfers which haven't worked out.

Hopefully, we see this change this year - I'm optimistic about Milner, Firmino, Benteke and Clyne.

8.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 20:15:29
What a joke.

9.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 20:28:17
Win the first game of the season and you're still thrown your toys out of the pram #somepeopleareneverhappy

10.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 20:38:58
JEEZ if we win the premiership people will be in here saying if it wasn't for Rogers we'd have won it by the end of October and by double the points and still be calling the players failures after 1 match on the bench (Origi) and the like. Or finding something negative to say about the ones who don't fail. People weren't calling Sturridge a failure when he was picked up cheap and almost helped us win the title. People need to get over themselves in the rush to slate BR and everything within a 10 mile radius of him. So much for YNWA, the only bunching I can see is people surrounding the manager/squad to slag them off.

11.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 21:13:47
Um we have spent over 300 million in 3 years. We bloody well should be challenging for the title!

12.) 10 Aug 2015
10 Aug 2015 22:59:16
G-Force I would suggest you go back to your old post on 13 Jan 2015 13:44:21. You had an opinion of giving players more time, what changed your mind ?

{Ed007's Note - Hi I've got a special delivery of a life here, addressed to a 'teddy'......?

13.) 11 Aug 2015
11 Aug 2015 07:53:00
Please people, no need for hash tagging. Its not twitter.

14.) 11 Aug 2015
11 Aug 2015 09:55:08
Cheers for the mixed responses guys. I knew I'd be stirring sup some heat with that post and obviously I've got to reply to most.

ED001 - yeah I did forget about Sahin, not surprising though :) and yep, my bad on Moreno but I'd rather it was a loan.

Mighty Reds & Teddy - I'm all about giving players time, that being both game time and time to gel with each other but my focus here is purely on the impact of BRs transfers. not players potential ability or not as may be the case.he's sign a lot of players for good money that he's either dropped, farmed out at a loss or loan or played out of their natural position, so in my mind I would judge them as poor signings.

Essexred - Like above, I'm not saying the players are failures.sure none of them can be failures on the basis that they signed for Liverpool. but did/have/will they work out? In the most part, so far I say no for most of them.
-Fabio Borini
-Joe Allen
-Oussama Assaidi
-Luis Alberto
-Iago Aspas
-Mamadou Sakho
-Kolo Toure
-Aly Cissokho
-Victor Moses
-Alberto Moreno
-Javier Manquillo
-Mario Balotelli
-Rickie Lambert

Muscatred - there's like 22 players there. do you honestly believe they will become players that will either take us back to the top or be of interest to last seasons top for? Don't say Coutinho. I've already said he's done good.

Pommy - that's pretty much my point. even if a player does look like he has potential, BR will make a sh*te of him some how like poor coaching, not playing or playing out of position.

User013 - I don't see what's so laughable about my Coutinho comment, the lads a good player and over the last several years we've not managed to hold on to our good players since. signing a new contract does not mean much if Real/Barca come in with 50+ million

Kizz- yes Emre can fail on the basis that BR either does not play him or plays him out of position. I don't see that as a sucessful signing.it's like if we signed Messi, great player but if we don't play him or play him out of position how is that a successful signing?

Puzzle Red- Coutinho / Sturridge = Success :)

So my point being is that I for 300mil spent, I believe BR has made poor transfers since he's spent a lot of money on players that he either did not play, played or plays out of position and mainly players that I don't think would be of interest to last season top 4.