14 Mar 2024 19:21:02
Why can't VAR work for the referee on the pitch instead of them dictating what should and shouldn't be looked at? The ref should be able to say, can you get that up for me on screen so I can have a look before I make a decision. And vice versa the VAR should say at times you might want to look at that without making any decision themselves.

The games played at 100 miles an hour the refs cannot see everything that happens but VAR shouldn't be making the decision for the ref either. Its a obvious and simple solution.

1.) 14 Mar 2024
14 Mar 2024 20:41:05
it's because the game is fast that they don't have time to second-guess every decision mate.

2.) 14 Mar 2024
14 Mar 2024 21:09:06
@K-86, it's cos the system is deliberately not set up to do the things you are saying hence, not set up with rational, a goal and desire to make things better.

Howard Webb told us wht VAR is supposed to do, based on the setup during his last apology tour (telling us that Odegaard doing his best Steph Curry impression in the box should have been a pen) as in, "Corroborate the on pitch decision of the ref" even if/ when it is wrong according to the actual rules governing the actual incident. The City game last week is your latest example. The Odegaard example is another one.

3.) 14 Mar 2024
14 Mar 2024 22:19:55
Because the game is corrupt. It's so obvious. Just like every other game or authoritative organisation in the land. I watch football for entertainment purposes only. A bit like WWE. You know its BS but you watch it anyway.

4.) 14 Mar 2024
14 Mar 2024 22:23:25
what do you guys expect here? Like if the ref waves play on do you expect them to blow the game up and say 'hold on lads, just need to double check something'?

It's not realistic.

5.) 15 Mar 2024
15 Mar 2024 06:52:09
The only thing I think is corrupt are the players and their behaviour on the pitch. The constant play acting and cheating to gain the slightest advantage. All this moaning about the refs but no regard whatsoever with what they have to deal with on the pitch every game and that certainly includes Liverpool players.
Maybe that might be a good place to start when we talk about the downfall of the game?.

6.) 15 Mar 2024
15 Mar 2024 08:21:22
As far as diving and getting in the refs face i think were one the teams who avoid it more than most. if that was a city player looking for a peno like the Doku tackle on Sunday the whole team would have surrounded the ref.

7.) 15 Mar 2024
15 Mar 2024 08:33:42
Let the referee do his job and give each team a few challenges and the get VAR involved then. They retain the challenge if they are correct and lose it if wrong, it works a lot better in rugby league, not perfect but better.

8.) 15 Mar 2024
15 Mar 2024 12:59:14
Logan - would you have just the challenge? Cos obvs the TMO in rugby League gets involved in far more than just when captain challenges a call.

9.) 15 Mar 2024
15 Mar 2024 15:31:33
Faithworks, that literally happened away at Palace when Andy Madley was called to the monitor TWO minutes after the fact to check and confirm the awarding of a penalty to Palace on the tackle from Quansah on Mateta.

That scenario has not happened to ANY team neither before nor after that. Again, I'm just saying what people did and what happened. Nothing more.

10.) 15 Mar 2024
15 Mar 2024 18:20:04
Yes I would Faith, unless there is serious foul play. There is a time limit on how quickly you can challenge in league too, so 2 mins later wouldn’t be allowed.

11.) 15 Mar 2024
15 Mar 2024 19:51:07
When we have refs heading off to work their nixers in the home of the owners of Manchester City for very large sums of money and PGMOL giving them their backing, it says everything really.

12.) 16 Mar 2024
16 Mar 2024 05:35:00
The VAR team should just be instructed to make the right call, regardless of ref's decision.

I don't actually think it's corrupt. But unconscious bias is strong-- there have been numerous studies about race and refereeing, for example, and people tend to very slightly favor members of their own race. They are probably not doing this on purpose.

Furthermore, there's another human bias where not doing something is safer than doing something. In The Trolley problem, for example, people are generally ok if the trolley runs over one person instead of a bunch, but ask them to shove another person so that person dies, saving ten, and they won't do it. This is, I think, applicable to referees making penalty decisions late in games. The notion that they "shouldn't decide a game" punishes them for blowing a whistle but imagines that they aren't deciding the game when they don't make the call.

Referees should for sure be trained in this stuff and instructed to try and overcome it.