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13 Aug 2019 09:34:02
Ed002, question about Lovren.
Lovren is most likely on high wages and LFC probably will demand a decent fee for him.
Will LFC actively be looking to move him on right now and which teams have an interest in him?
{Ed002's Note - Roma are looking for a deal. They will ideally look for a loan to buy.}
1.) 13 Aug 2019 13:02:55
If it had to be a loan to buy then I do not see LFC agreeing to such a deal unless the loan fee had to be a substantial amount. Lovren still has 3 years left on his contract if I am not mistaken. Surely only a permanent deal going to suffice?
2.) 13 Aug 2019 15:56:23
Two years I believe Max.
3.) 13 Aug 2019 16:13:17
Ed002 would it be like Danny ings deal last year or a loan with the option to buy.
If so can’t see us accepting that sure with had that before with Alberto Aquilani and that did not work out very good for us.
{Ed002's Note - They will look to a loan with an obligation to buy.}
4.) 13 Aug 2019 18:29:15
Jeez, Aquilani. Remember him?!
5.) 13 Aug 2019 18:02:51
What is the point of a loan with obligation to buy? I assume the only benefit is to delay the payment?
{Ed002's Note - No, they could look to spread payments out. They may want assurances about fitness - like Ings.}
6.) 13 Aug 2019 18:58:35
So it’s an obligation to buy with clauses ed? Like if he’s fit 75% of the time or something?
{Ed002's Note - It was an example. I am sure if Roma are keen enough they will look to a permanent deal.}
7.) 13 Aug 2019 19:41:43
ed002 do you think deals like this will become more likely going forward (a loan with a conditional obligation to buy) .
{Ed002's Note - No more so than they are now.}
8.) 13 Aug 2019 20:38:33
It makes no sporting sense to sell him now IMO but it does make good financial sense, and the player gets to play regular football.
9.) 15 Aug 2019 00:31:34
I remember about 2 years ago he got a new contract and fans in general were scathing the decision.
We should respect the fact that our 30 year old 4th choice defender can now gain us a potential nice fee as opposed to having left on a free transfer, same with the few fans criticising origis new deal even though it's great business.
If lovren goes to Italy I'd think he'd do very well, Italian football would suit his strengths where English football was often able to hammer his weaknesses. Playing in deeper lines and facing less paced attacks he's proved to be a great defender, his struggles always came when the ball was put in behind.
I'd rather we kept him for another year but if the right opportunity came calling for him he'd be right to take it, he's good enough to start every week for at least one of the top 4 club in each of the 5 major European league's. He's well slipped behind matip and Gomez now though.
25 Jun 2019 10:20:44
Palace interested in Mignolet.
Any truth Ed002?
{Ed002's Note - They are looking for a number three so it is unlikely. Liverpool has priced him out of a move to Brugge, Bournemouth and Norwich who have all shown an interest.}
1.) 25 Jun 2019 12:22:10
Ed002,
I understand that right now we have priced clubs out from buying players but as the transfer window progresses will clubs be more willing to spend money to cover positions? We've seen before that Michael Edwards has sold players for a lot more than fans were expecting. Would you expect players like Mignolet and Clyne to leave still?
{Ed002's Note - If the club gets an acceptable offer and the player wants to make the move. If players are priced out of a move the clubs look elsewhere.}
2.) 25 Jun 2019 13:54:26
Do you think we should let him leave?
{Ed002's Note - If the player wants to go.}
3.) 25 Jun 2019 18:25:26
Sorry rephrase, does he want to leave? Are we pricing him out of moves he wants?
{Ed002's Note - He has indicated before that he would like first team football.}
23 Jun 2019 11:14:08
Ed002, do you perhaps have a chance to give us un update on the latest forwards Liverpool have shown interest in or have things not changed since the last update?
{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed as far as I am aware.}
1.) 23 Jun 2019 15:21:21
Cornet, Wamangituka and Groeneveld as versatile back ups. Pepe as a Salah replacement if he leaves.
2.) 23 Jun 2019 14:21:14
Thanks Ed.
3.) 23 Jun 2019 14:21:14
Thanks Ed.
4.) 24 Jun 2019 20:06:16
Plain Bread, who is Wamangituka?
22 Jun 2019 19:29:24
Apparently Pedro Chirivella is pushing for a move to Extremadura.
1.) 22 Jun 2019 21:25:31
Let him go and get his career back on track
Crooky.
2.) 22 Jun 2019 21:25:31
Let him go and get his career back on track
Crooky.
3.) 23 Jun 2019 10:21:14
Feel sorry for the guy, apparently he was potentially being looked at as an option for 6, before we went in big for Fabinho.
Hope he can get a good move away and jump start his career, always had a soft spot for him and canos!
17 Jun 2019 16:00:49
Newest rumour popping up.
Liverpool have enquired about the availability of Southampton left-back Matt Targett.
1.) 17 Jun 2019 16:33:49
Tidy player.
2.) 17 Jun 2019 17:09:22
Fills the homegrown qouta and not the worst of players availble for backup.
3.) 17 Jun 2019 17:25:50
At last, a real Target.
4.) 17 Jun 2019 18:11:09
He would be an option up front too, something a bit different, a target man.
5.) 17 Jun 2019 19:57:19
It's been a while since out B team managed to push a player in to our first 11 😉😎😋.
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17 Aug 2019 20:17:07
2 wins from 2, could not have asked for a better start.
VAR going to upset many an apple cart this season. Pretty sure Liverpool will be involved in VAR decisions too.
Whole new ball game this season.
1.) 17 Aug 2019 21:21:42
Can you imagine last game of the season you need to win to win the league. You score a 94th minute goal (Aguero style) you run to the fans celebrating like mad then VAR rules it out. I’d prefer a kick in the nuts wilh steel toe caps on.
2.) 18 Aug 2019 05:29:33
Can you imagine last game of the season you need to win the league. You score a 94th minute goal (Aguero style) you run to the fans celebrating like mad then VAR rules it out. Its later shown that the video assisted referees got the decision completely wrong.
Already this season we've seen how fallible VAR can be.
Ill have the entire shoe shop please.
3.) 18 Aug 2019 11:19:45
Ed01 said it months ago last season. VAR will be a complete disaster and we are already seeing why.
4.) 18 Aug 2019 11:21:27
Like A Virgil I didn’t think that scenario could get worse but you just proved me wrong.
16 Aug 2019 13:15:59
Before everyone has a meltdown, this is what Klopp had to say about Adrian and it is directly from the official site.
The manager said: “It would help him a lot if it would be 100 per cent clear he can play tomorrow.
“I really don’t understand it why, in the world of social media where you are all on it, when we were all together a supporter jumped over something, was chased by some security guys, slipped and kicked [Adrian’s] ankle. Crazy.
“Yesterday it was swollen. Today I spoke to him and he said it is better, much better than yesterday, but we have to see.
“Apart from that, yes, it was a brilliant night for him, for sure – not only because of the penalty [save], but especially because of the game. I think he saved the penalty and was in the mood he was in during the penalty shootout because of the game he’d played before.
“So, that was all good, but now we have to see. ”
Klopp added: “He will not go for a scan. We wait for the swelling to go down. It went down already. You can imagine, you have that and then you fly four hours back and that doesn’t help swelling.
“He could not have played directly after we landed in Liverpool, but I saw him now, he is OK and it looks better, but the decision will be made tomorrow – there is no chance to make it early. ”
It is the media turning this into the end of the world.
1.) 16 Aug 2019 13:42:32
First and foremost need to get back to how we were defending for large parts of last season. Deny as many shots at goal as possible and make the job for whoever may be between the sticks a little easier!
2.) 16 Aug 2019 13:43:09
Is there a wonder why I don't buy a newspaper anymore.
3.) 16 Aug 2019 14:20:32
I was having a major meltdown as well until I read this. Nah cheers for the update mate but to be honest after seeing it I didn’t really give it a second thought. I was happy to wait and see what line up Klopp announces at 1400 tomorrow.
4.) 16 Aug 2019 15:27:09
Bet Milner could do a job in goal!
5.) 16 Aug 2019 15:56:43
I think our flying fbs are being targeted on the counter. Teams know we will be short out wide at the back. I think that's why teams are getting through more. Itll be sorted. Not having our regular keeper can't help. Like Adrian though.
I don't think fab is in full gear yet either. Hescbeen good but i've seen him better.
6.) 16 Aug 2019 18:10:12
Nothing to see here. Ist choice and 2nd choice GK's are injured within the first week of the season. Not ideal BUT that's football. Get the third choice ready to play and make sure he is fully protected to the maximum via the system to be employed for the game. This is here managers earn their paychecks. Again, nothing to see here. Keep it moving!
7.) 16 Aug 2019 18:33:51
Fans need to start behaving properly I don’t know where this new thing for our lads invading pitches has come from, behave, respect the team, the manager and each other. In all honesty Klopp seemed a bit pissed at the events in his interview and if crap like this carries on I could see him falling out of love with the club. Just be respectful it’s not difficult.
8.) 16 Aug 2019 19:48:49
Ah the good ole days when snorkel parka-wearing kids could run on the pitch after a game. I was only 7 or 8 when I heard Bobby Charlton tell us all to “F off”.
I still remember that clearly, lol.
Should have kicked him on the ankle!
9.) 16 Aug 2019 19:53:19
It's not the wing backs that are causing us problems it's the high line we are playing.
Norwich and Chelsea both cut us open easily with basic balls straight through the middle, of someone with pace has room to run its effective. Even if vvd is pacey he still has to turn, all vital seconds.
15 Aug 2019 07:49:10
Great match last night, extra time could have been avoided. No injuries and another trophy in the bag.
Adrian's penalty save will give him the world of confidence and also made a boss save denying mount for a goal. How on earth the penalty for Abrahams was awarded, I guess VAR is going to be questionable on some decisions.
Chelsea were actually really good, just shows what a difference one player in Kante can make for a team. They are going to struggle upfront this season though.
1.) 15 Aug 2019 08:54:30
Great result. Not a great match, especially from Liverpool. Thought Chelsea were much the better team. Firmino was class when brought on at the break. Mane was unreal. Adrian the hero obviously but thought he done just ok besides saving the penalty from Abraham who was obviously crapping himself. Well anyway karma that he was the one to miss as he very obviously dived for the penalty in et. A nothing trophy/ friendly game I know but I was so hoping and am so glad we won it.
2.) 15 Aug 2019 09:02:23
I don’t understand why this game has extra time. The game comes at a time where the likelihood of the teams that will play in it will either just have started their season or about to start it so they’re not going to be fully match fit and to then ask them to play an extra 30 minutes is stupid. The 2 big points for me is we came away with a trophy and came away without any injuries.
3.) 15 Aug 2019 09:06:09
Having watched the cricket World Cup during the summer they had something similar to VAR methodology. One of the results was to follow the umpires initial decision even if the decision was potentially wrong. Cricket has accepted this.
Last night VAR was consulted and there was nothing to clearly indicate the refs decision was wrong.
In other words, the problem with VAR right now is the fans and pundits don’t understand the rules or maybe they just haven’t been stated clearly enough.
Thought the refs were on par yesterday so well done to her and her linos.
Not sure why the handball wasn’t consulted to VAR at the beginning of the game but would have been very harsh to give that as a penalty anyway.
4.) 15 Aug 2019 09:08:28
Strange or is our Squad not that good but why Two Goalkeepers on the Bench Chelsea only had one goalie as sub having one more outfield sub than us. Kelleher and Lonerghan were Subs on LFC Team Sheet?
I thought the Ox was going to play last night? A new position for Fabhino looked like he was playing Centre Forward first half with an almighty gap left in the Middle.
Still a Wins a Win so what's wrong?
5.) 15 Aug 2019 09:53:56
007 it’s because we could name the whole rest of the squad on the bench and we happen to of taken 3 keepers with us.
6.) 15 Aug 2019 10:01:53
James, Ox played the first half last night. Or maybe not; very few noticed it for obvious reasons.
7.) 15 Aug 2019 10:19:28
I feel you, JK23. A game like this should not have extra time at all BUT it's UEFA so there you go. As for the game itself, I was super impressed with Chelsea with the way they played. They simply exposed all our short comings in midfield and in defence with this super high line we are playing (leaving gaps for their strikers to run into) and the gaping whole left in central midfield with Hendo and Milner pushing up hence, leaving Fab all alone whenever we lost the ball which allowed Kante, Pulisic and Kova room to operate.
Both teams battled hard in the game itself and either one could have won the game there at the end BUT LFC stayed the course, never gave up and kept fighting. My concern now is what is our perf. levels going to be like vs the Saints.
8.) 15 Aug 2019 10:20:40
" I thought Ox was going to play " Nice sarcasm there.
9.) 15 Aug 2019 12:15:40
Didn't have the best game, Everest. He is still coming back from injury layoff hence, it's goner be a slow burner for him all season, I'm afraid.
10.) 15 Aug 2019 12:27:19
Ox who has had his best moments for us in the centre of midfield seems to be ahead of Shaq for a front 3 position now. Or is Shaq still carrying a knock.
14 Aug 2019 10:44:45
Ok, so my posts re the backups have seen many replies.
I did say I would stick to our backups and explained in my most recent post why.
The whole excercise was to make a point that even though we did not make any signings other than a couple of youngsters in the window, we still have more than enough players who can do the job filling gaps throughout the season, just like last season.
It was never about LFC being better than City. It was never about which manager was better. It was never about which squad was better.
It was about our backups which we are not short of and that they can do the job yet the whining about our transfer window from some still persists.
So I invite anyone now (I know you are out there) to list our backups and explain why they feel they will not be able to do the job for us this season.
Lets keep the discussions going!
1.) 14 Aug 2019 11:10:42
Honestly I'm not sure anything hasn't been said. You and many others have agreed to disagree in relation to each others thoughts. I am not sure it needs to keep going. It has been a good debate but I feel keeping it going will lead to it becoming personal which is never good to see on the site.
{Ed047's Note - good point well made mate.
2.) 14 Aug 2019 11:55:47
To be honest the original discussion may have been diluted with other topics but my understanding it was about whether our back up was better than city’s. For me, that’s just not the case.
City have more depth, in my opinion, in attacking positions. I know that some may disagree but having the likes of sane, Mahrez, Jesus, Silvas etc. To bring on or at least rest their first 11, gives them advantage over us. We did incredibly well to keep pace with them last season but I think that depth gave them the adv.
Now whether our back ups can do a job is a different question. I do think the likes of Shaq and Origi could “do a job” as impact players.
3.) 14 Aug 2019 11:58:10
I’ll get involved Max.
I think we have an exciting squad and I’m personally comfortable with most of our cover. I look forward to seeing how the likes of Brewster, Larouci and to some extent Origi can do.
I do however feel just one stellar signing would have given us that final push to say can consistently push city on all fronts. For me it would have been a Fekir type player who could be used across the front 3 and play CAM in games we decided that formation was needed.
I’m not someone who is dismayed at us not signing someone and understand for it to happen we needed to sell someone like Lallana to make space but for whatever reason it didn’t materialise.
I totally get the argument of getting players in who are comfortable having a hell of a fight on their hands to get in the team whilst still being good enough to add quality. But that argument will still stand next season, and the season after.
4.) 14 Aug 2019 12:24:14
For me I think if you compare the minutes and appearances of our back up players to City’s it doesn’t come close. Klopp doesn’t seem to fully trust ours and for me that was evident again having Mane on the bench in the first place and then actually being used to come on it what was a comfortable opening game against Norwich. Origi has had a second chance and in fairness to the lad he is doing his best to take it. Would he have been on the pitch though against Barcelona in the first place if Bobby and Mo were fit. If he hadn’t have played that night then he might not even be here now.
5.) 14 Aug 2019 12:54:40
At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter who has the best back ups.
You don’t even need to be the best team to win the league!
Remember Leicester?
It’s down to being consistent over the season and whilst having good or even great players might give you more chance of consistency it’s not guaranteed.
Both Citeh and LFC have their strengths and weaknesses. I prefer the way we are going about things and if we get a bit of luck then we have every chance of silverware as our guys are putting the work in.
The harder you work the luckier you get.
Bayern Munich were surely a stronger outfit when Dortmund best them under Klopp.
We all know that we can do the same with Citeh.
If we can win the EPL or the Champions League this season then it just means we are an elite level club.
As a football club though LFC is on an entirely different level to Citeh. We are a global family at LFC that simply has breathtaking support and loyalty in all corners of the globe.
6.) 14 Aug 2019 13:54:19
Max I really admire your loyalty to Liverpool players. But I think in one post you tried to argue Lallana was a better option for us than Foden is for Man City. That's 32 year old Lallana with less starts in the last 2 season's than 18 year old Foden has goals.
I would much prefer having Hoever and Larouci in our squad than spending £110m on Cancelo and Mendy to be back ups, because I think it is more sustainable long term but I wouldn't even kid myself by trying to argue that our back up teenagers are better than their back up internationals. I think our lads will moan less and appreciate whatever game time they get which is better for squad harmony. But that's a different argument to who is the best back up.
I didn't reply before because I simply couldn't comprehend the logic. Our starting 11 is better. City's squad is better. I don't think it's complicated to be honest. Really enjoyed the debate up to now but PickleRick is right; even if he is a Rat-pickle with an alcoholic grandads brain.
7.) 14 Aug 2019 16:29:01
Spot on, PB and Tommy. The comparison is not worth the effort cos City have the best quad and backups, end of. This is cos their backups now, were bought as starters years ago and have been upgraded upo since. Cancelo and Walker are worth 110m alone. Ederson and Bravo were signed for 70m combined. Bernardo Silva and Mahrez were for 120m combined. Bro, I can go on and on with this stuff.
What matters is that our team is a well oiled-machine that can handle and go toe to toe with City consistently and effectively. All this nonsensical talk like "Had we signed a versatile player X or Y then things would be diff. this season". That is pure hogwash. Signing Pepe alone for ex., would not bridge the big gap in squad quality, I just described above. For that to happen, we have to do what City have been doing for years and clearly, we are late to that party.
As PB and Tommy said, Leicester won the PL with City having the best squad at the time. When BVB won bac to back titles in Germany, Bayern had the best squad at the time. When Wolfsburg won the title with Felix Magath as manager, Bayern had the best squad at the time as well. I can go on and on. For me, it is time to stop this stuff of always judging our team in this regard, based on what City does. It will only cause headaches cos as I have said before, we cannot spend what they spend and how they spend it, as I have described above.
8.) 14 Aug 2019 20:01:39
City has a better squad, we have a better manager.
9.) 15 Aug 2019 00:44:10
Nailed it, Mikey1985.
10.) 15 Aug 2019 10:57:02
I think you’re right Max to a point. Overall I think our back ups are very good.
What we don’t have but City do is the luxury of playing Jesus, who is a very good striker and then bringing a worldy like Aguero off the bench.
We play our front 3 when available every game because the drop in quality to the bench is massive.
City have quality replacements in every front position, Sterling or Sane, Jesus or Aguero, Mahrez or Silva. Beyond that I think you’re right I’d take our midfield and defensive back ups all day long.
It will be interesting now Sane is out for the season he scored some big goals for them last season although I know Pep isn’t his biggest fan. I think they’ll really miss him coming off the bench in tight games with his energy and pace.
11.) 15 Aug 2019 11:35:36
Youre flogging a dead horse, Max. Its obviously a divided issue so just agree to disagree.
12.) 15 Aug 2019 11:58:38
As long as we’re better than the sum of our parts, then we have a chance.
13 Aug 2019 19:25:00
Right, so this could end up being a long post but here goes.
Why I would stick with our backups. I do not believe City's backups rank higher than ours.
Milner, I believe this is the first player Klopp will call on to take up the spot at fullback should one of TAA or Robbo not be available. Milner is our go to guy and you can bet he will run through 10, 20 or even 30 brick walls and still do a perfect job for us on the pitch. This guy is a machine. Cancelo was not even a regular at Juventus, they wanted rid of him anyway and one would wonder why? Pep has signed him to sit on City's bench. Mendy is injured but even if he wasn't he has hardly played for City in 2017/ 18. Clearly he just is not good enough. Angelino, this guy will struggle to get into their team too when he cannot even make City's matchday squad. We have two able youngsters in Hoever and Larouci if need be. I think we will be A ok at left and righ back. Worst case we could have Fabinho or Gomez to fill in.
Lovren and Matip. Lovren 4th choice and I am assuming Gomez will be ahead of Matip. Lovren on his day is like a demon, Matip formed a brilliant partnership with VVD last season. Otamendi, I bet anyone on here will take him in exchange for Lovren or Matip, cough cough. That is the only backup CB City have but they can also use Fernandinho at CB if need be who has now found himself down the pecking order with the arrival of Rodri.
Now to the midfielders. Bernardo Silva after being pretty much a regular last season looks like he will be playing second fiddle to Mahrez this season. Shaqiri played less than half the EPL minutes of Bernardo Silva last season yet Shaqiri's goals/ assists return of 11 in 1052 minutes is only bettered by 4 from Bernardo Silva who played 2849 minutes with 15 goals/ assits. Do not get me wrong, I am not saying Shaq is better than Bernardo Silva but Shaq as an impact player seems the better option. Fernandinho is already looking for a new home.
Foden, cannot really say anything about him when he will get 2 minutes here and there and even Lallana with his Cruyff turns is a better option for us. Gundogan, very good player but cannot stay fit. Keita, has much to prove so I am sitting on the fence with these two but still believe Keita will come good. Ox another midfield option for us. Reckon we will be A Ok with backups for Midfield.
Now to the forwards. What is Pep going to do, stick with Jesus as a starter or is he giving Aguero some extra rest? No doubt I would love to have a player on our bench like Aguero but let's face it, even at 31 Aguero not going to join Anfield to come sit on our bench. Would he even be able to fill the role Bobby does? Jesus, was backup last season. In terms of playing time, will he do any better than Origi at LFC? Brewster will just have to wait for his opportunity but this guy is a massive talent waiting to be unleashed and should he get his opportunity, having a straight head, good attitude, he may just surprise many. With Sturridge gone he is bound to get opportunities.
So there you go Irish, I said I would post my reasons for sticking with our set of backups.
Thoughts welcome.
1.) 13 Aug 2019 19:54:45
Well my initial thought is how did Man City end up with 75% (3) of the 4 trophies and Liverpool 25% (1).
It can only be down to Pep being a better manager or you think that City's first 11 are better?
2.) 13 Aug 2019 20:12:05
Speaking of back ups gents. Apparently Kieta picked up an injury in training tonight.
3.) 13 Aug 2019 20:14:29
My initial thought is that Klopp has been building a squad capable of challenging for trophies when City have not had the same problem. It was not going to take Klopp overnitght and to expect Klopp to wave a magic wand and in what 3 years win the League and cup treble is a way of suiting your argument.
Man City winning the League by just one point over LFC is another thing that needs to be taken into consideration. Show me another team finishing on 97 points in the history since the EPL formed and did not win the League. It is unheard of and a mystery to say the least.
As for the 3 domestic trophy haul, that has only ever happened once, last season by City.
Again, finishing 2nd on 97 points, not winning the League when in every other season it would have been won with 97 points, only 1 point behind City and winning the CL, that shows that LFC is finally (well hopefully) on the right track again and we mean business.
4.) 13 Aug 2019 20:16:34
I'm sorry Max, but this post is just biased. You say you can't really say anything about Foden because he only gets 2 minutes here and there? How many have Hoever and Larouci got yet they are able?
Have you taken into consideration if Lovren leaves?
Isn't Fabinho a first 11 player, at least he wasnt on your backup list yesterday.
Gungodan has played circa 30 games the last 2 seasons, hardly injury prone, compared to Lallana or the Ox.
Cancelo " Pep has signed him to sit on the bench" Correct, we are still talking about backup players here? So what's your point? £60 million backup fullback coming from a top Italian team 25 Serie A games, 7 Cl last season.
I will leave it there.
5.) 13 Aug 2019 20:24:01
Bernado Silva is NOT going to be playing second fiddle to Riyad Mahrez. I can pretty much guarantee you that. Silva is a much better player than Mahrez, and will definitely play more minutes.
6.) 13 Aug 2019 20:29:17
Your post is about Man City Max or have you forgotten? It's irrelevant if we finished a point behind them we still did.
At the end of the day Man City have a better overall squad (backups or whatever) and Klopp has done a tremendous job closing the gap between the two but we aren't there yet. I also have my doubts that we will get as close to City this season but off course I hope we do! I hope we win but I'm not one for putting rose tinted glasses on and not seeing things for what they are.
City have just spent circa £130 million this window but they lost Kompany. We spent about £2 million and look like losing Lovren. I think City were stronger last season and certainly look stronger now. Unless, and it's a big ask, but the likes of Brewster (unknown PL quality) and a few other "backup" players step out of the shadows and show us how good they are. I live in hope.
7.) 13 Aug 2019 20:33:56
I agree EpicPotato. I mean how does Max come to that assumption? Based on 1 Premier League game this season? It makes no sense to me, unless Max is Pep?
8.) 13 Aug 2019 20:37:28
I love Liverpool but that was the most biased post on the planet sounding like a deluded United fan or something.
9.) 13 Aug 2019 20:40:03
Worst case we have backup at fullback with Fab and Gomez, worst case. You do get that Irish?
Exactly my point about Foden, he will only get 2 minutes here and there and has nothing on any of our midfielders. I did mention Larouchi and Hoever IF NEED BE. You do understand the term in CAPS? Milner is by far a better player than Cancelo, hands down.
Lovren is still at the club and any team wanting to take him will have to fork out his wages plus willing to take him permanently as it is highly unlikely that the club will let him leave on loan and we burn our fingers again like many times before where players who have been on loan and those clubs made us pay towards wages.
10.) 13 Aug 2019 20:41:10
Angelino " he cannot even make City's matchday squad" You mean the player that was at Eindhoven last year Max. Jeez man give him a chance.
11.) 13 Aug 2019 20:59:14
Your post is about back up players Max. Not first team player ( Gomez and Fabinho) . If that was the case it would be a Moving first team players to another position post.
You didn't use CAPS in your first post Max.
Please point me in the direction of the stats that say Milner is a better fullback than Cancelo. Or is this just your opinion Max?
You don't rate Foden? We will agree to differ I guess.
12.) 13 Aug 2019 20:59:41
Milner a better player than Cancelo? Maybe in midfield, but there is NO WAY Milner is a better full-back than Cancelo. While I have no doubts about Milner's attitude, we have to remember that he will have to adjust to playing a full-back role occasionally and that he has gotten slower with age. If Milner ends up playing full-back for any significant period of time again this season, he will not have anywhere near the impact TAA/ Robertson has. As for City, if Walker or Mendy are out, Cancelo and Angelino/ Zinchenko can come in and produce similar impact. IMO, that is a significant difference.
The same holds true for pretty much all areas of the squad except goalkeeper with respect to Liverpool and City IMO. If City loses players, they have similar players at good quality to step up, whereas we have to move players around or deal with different options.
13.) 13 Aug 2019 21:07:42
By the way Max. Phil Foden 26 games last season, 2 minutes here and there, 7 goals Max. Without looking I would guess that's more than our midfielders, never mind our "backup" midfielders.
14.) 13 Aug 2019 21:14:51
AG, Pep has spent hundreds of millions on fullbacks. Look at the hype around Danilo, flopped. Mendy another expensive fullback, flopped. Angelino which City sold and now resigned, sorry what? is he going to start for City this season? Cancelo yet again was not even a regular at Juventus and they were happy to let him leave. It seems like Pep likes to spend massive amounts on fullbacks and when they flop, oh well let's just sign another expensive fullback to sit on the bench.
Klopp does not have that priviledge but we know we can count on Milner.
15.) 13 Aug 2019 21:24:39
Yes Max, City resigned so he can't be getting onto any match team squad if he was playing in a different league! You do understand that, don't you?
16.) 13 Aug 2019 21:31:59
Cancelo played 32 games for Juve last season Max. He was a regular.
17.) 13 Aug 2019 22:22:39
Max, I understand Klopp doesn't have the financial luxury Pep has, but we surely could have bought in a versatile player who could play both full-back positions or a versatile player who can play full-back and wide forward?
My point is that we were well placed financially and from a sporing view-point, in a great position to get 2-3 quality players to increase squad competition and give rest to our starters but we failed to act on it. By January, I guess we will know where we stand on this and whether it was the right decision or not.
18.) 13 Aug 2019 22:43:01
Let's win 2 trophies within 12 months then we can start bragging about team, squad and manager. at the moment Mourinho in a failed 2 seasons at United have won more trophies than we did under Klopp.
19.) 13 Aug 2019 22:53:10
Not sure why you're comparing Bernardo Silva and Shaqs goals/ assists as a metric. Bernardo ihas so much more to his game than that, especially in winning the ball back and helping defensively. To suggest that he is any way inferior to Shaqiri or Mahrez is laughable, especially when you use one poor statistic to try and prove the point.
20.) 14 Aug 2019 01:28:23
Who will win
Adrian
Clyne lovren Matip Milner
Ox Keita lallana
Shaq Brewster originally
Vs
Bravo
Cancelo otamendi fernandinho Angelino
Foden Gundogan D. Silva
Mahrez Jesus Sane.
{Ed0333's Note - I’d say City by a couple of goals.
21.) 14 Aug 2019 07:48:40
Like A Virgil
I never said Shaqiri is better than Bernardo Silva, we do not need Shaqiri to be better but we need him to have an impact on the pitch.
I only pointed out that Shaqiri has scored and assisted just about the same amount in less than half the minutes compared to Bernardo Silva. Silva was a regular for City last season, Shaqiri was not a regular so stats are not always relevant but if Silva is going to be on the bench this coming season then when looking at attacking returns from both players last season based on their minutes on the pitch, it does not suggest that Silva will be able to deliver the same return as he will not be playing as often. Both these players are used for goal output and assists.
That makes Shaqiri a handy player to have as when he comes on as a sub or starts for us when his minutes per goal is every 175 minutes for LFC compared to Silva who scored every 407 minutes (EPL) .
We have to remember, Shaqiri is not a guaranteed starter but can do the job when called upon.
{Ed047's Note - Max everyone has an opinion mate and I’m a huge fan of your team and manager but there is no way your back up 11 is anywhere near City’s mate.
Bernardo Silva is an awesome player and any comparison to Shaq is pointless mate, Silva is an almost 9/10 every game he plays.
22.) 14 Aug 2019 08:19:42
I think the difference is that our squad players are used sparingly. Whether that is down to Klopp not trusting them or another reason who knows. All of City’s forwards featured in 3 quarters of their premier league games last season. They are used as rotational some of ours are used as a last throw of the dice if we aren’t winning. The only players we had that rotated more or less equally last season was Hendo, Milner, Wiji and Fab for the 3 midfield positions.
23.) 14 Aug 2019 08:33:34
So arguably City’s best player last season and Ballon d’Or candidate is going to be on the bench this season? Says who? And if you are comparing teams, why are you looking at ‘attacking returns’ from midfielders instead of their all round game? Its selective criteria to suit your argument.
How about we look at tackles won, ball retention, miles covered, etc, when discussing Shaq vs Silva as they have a huge impact on possession and goal-prevention.
Its all about opinions, of course, but i see no sense in what you are suggesting.
24.) 14 Aug 2019 08:33:43
Max, you're reaching here, man. The truth is that City have a better squad than ours hence, better backups than ours. That is just a fact. We simply cannot say tat we are able to compete pound for pound with a squad that has had 800m almost (under Pep alone), spent on it whereas we have only been building this squad essentially for the past 3 seasons. That matters a whole lot, man.
Also, you forget that their backups now, were not signed as backups. They were signed as first teamers on huge fees who later got upgraded on or lost their places in the team. Example, Bravo was signed as a 1st choice GK. He flopped. Next season, they sign Ederson and Bravo (who can start for plenty of PL teams) is now no. 2. And you wonder why they have the best depth at GK or at any other position. We again, cannot compete with that, man.
Now having said that, Klopp is building a well-oiled machine, just like he did in Germany with BVB where Bayern (PL's City, for ex. ) had the pick of the lot. It took a while BUT Dortmund prevailed over Bayern twice and that was not cos BVB have beeter backups or the better squad. They did not. It is cos BVB had become a team, a group who knew each other inside and out and then Bayern could no longer handle them. That is what Klopp is trying to do here and clearly with lasst season, it is working. We just have to keep building and progressing and our time will come, just like it did for Dormund.
25.) 14 Aug 2019 09:18:58
One of the most biased posts ever here lol fair play for backing the boys but i just don’t agree. B Silva is one of the best players in the league, to compare to Shaq is a bit ridiculous. There’s more to his game than just goals and assists. Perfect example was the game against us at Ethiad where he was excellent and ran the show.
To be fair, I can understand an argument for centre backs and central midfield (although D Silva does tip in favour for them for me) but everywhere else city have better depth.
The (very few) games our front 3 did struggle in last year, we needed something off the bench and we just didn’t have it. City can mix it up by throwing in sane Mahrez Jesus silvas Foden etc. We don’t have that depth. And to be fair that’s expected given they’ve spent so much more compared to us.
26.) 14 Aug 2019 16:42:14
Spot on, Reyrey1. The comparison is not even close so not sure why it is even being made, tbh. Also IMO, Bernardo Silva will start for any team in Europe including LFc. That is just the whole truth, man.
13 Aug 2019 13:02:55
If it had to be a loan to buy then I do not see LFC agreeing to such a deal unless the loan fee had to be a substantial amount. Lovren still has 3 years left on his contract if I am not mistaken. Surely only a permanent deal going to suffice?
03 Aug 2019 16:54:41
Let's give Wilson a chance at the bigtime. Nothing wrong with that.
If all else fails the likes of Bournemouth will sign him.
That superb goal he scored in preseason with Lallana jumping all over him, deserves a chance. He knows where the goal is.
Much been said he ain't good enough. All will be told once he features for us in a competitve match.
Will all be down to Klopp.
27 Jul 2019 15:57:59
Fab now fully settled, Hendo backing him up and Gini getting more freedom to get involved in goals, he is an attack minded player after all. Ox also has so much to offer as we saw before he got injured. Milner our go to guy.
We also have to remember, Klopp sets his midfield up to control the game, not to score bucket loads of goals.
That is why Klopp likes his attacking fullbacks, we have Robbo and Trent who are the best in the League and we pretty much have the best front 3 too.
We will see more from our midfield this season. Hoping Keita works out for us this season. No doubt he can score and assist.
05 Jul 2019 19:01:50
Not going to happen unless he has been promised to start alongside VVD.
Another clickbait rumour.
03 Jul 2019 20:42:48
Why are people still fussing about FFP and money. Just forget about money. No wonder the Eds are fed up explaining themselves that they do not want to discuss finances as majority on here including myself have no idea about how transfer fees really get laid out.
15 Aug 2019 08:23:56
I thought it was a pretty even match, both teams could have won. VAR decision was rediculous.
This was a match where we needed to avoid injuries and although Chelsea looked good, we played the match in 1st gear. Looks like Chelsea will struggle upfront this season. Lampard has a massive mountain to climb and to be honest, the look he had on his face while waiting for the medals to be handed out shows he does not know what he got himself into.
Maybe Klopp is asking the players not to go all out yet, pacing the team as there is a long season ahead.
Lapses of concentration and untidiness are the reasons why our defence is not up to scratch compared to last season. Just a couple of slaps and it should be sorted.
Winning the trophy will add confidence and winning becomes a habit :-)
14 Aug 2019 07:48:40
Like A Virgil
I never said Shaqiri is better than Bernardo Silva, we do not need Shaqiri to be better but we need him to have an impact on the pitch.
I only pointed out that Shaqiri has scored and assisted just about the same amount in less than half the minutes compared to Bernardo Silva. Silva was a regular for City last season, Shaqiri was not a regular so stats are not always relevant but if Silva is going to be on the bench this coming season then when looking at attacking returns from both players last season based on their minutes on the pitch, it does not suggest that Silva will be able to deliver the same return as he will not be playing as often. Both these players are used for goal output and assists.
That makes Shaqiri a handy player to have as when he comes on as a sub or starts for us when his minutes per goal is every 175 minutes for LFC compared to Silva who scored every 407 minutes (EPL) .
We have to remember, Shaqiri is not a guaranteed starter but can do the job when called upon.
{Ed047's Note - Max everyone has an opinion mate and I’m a huge fan of your team and manager but there is no way your back up 11 is anywhere near City’s mate.
Bernardo Silva is an awesome player and any comparison to Shaq is pointless mate, Silva is an almost 9/10 every game he plays.
13 Aug 2019 08:47:39
For sure Ed0333. Lovren is of interest. Does not mean Klopp will not select him to play. Does Klopp want to sell him?
Lovren may not be a starter anymore but he is still part of the squad, albeit 4th choice.
Yes we signed Van Den Berg, he is still a kid though and very much a player who still needs to learn his trade. While Lovren is still at the club he will be 4th choice.
{Ed0333's Note - I don’t know if Klopp wants him gone but for the sake of his career I’m not sure Klopp will stand in his way. There’s plenty of media speculation that Lovren has played his last game for LFC
13 Aug 2019 21:14:51
AG, Pep has spent hundreds of millions on fullbacks. Look at the hype around Danilo, flopped. Mendy another expensive fullback, flopped. Angelino which City sold and now resigned, sorry what? is he going to start for City this season? Cancelo yet again was not even a regular at Juventus and they were happy to let him leave. It seems like Pep likes to spend massive amounts on fullbacks and when they flop, oh well let's just sign another expensive fullback to sit on the bench.
Klopp does not have that priviledge but we know we can count on Milner.
13 Aug 2019 20:40:03
Worst case we have backup at fullback with Fab and Gomez, worst case. You do get that Irish?
Exactly my point about Foden, he will only get 2 minutes here and there and has nothing on any of our midfielders. I did mention Larouchi and Hoever IF NEED BE. You do understand the term in CAPS? Milner is by far a better player than Cancelo, hands down.
Lovren is still at the club and any team wanting to take him will have to fork out his wages plus willing to take him permanently as it is highly unlikely that the club will let him leave on loan and we burn our fingers again like many times before where players who have been on loan and those clubs made us pay towards wages.