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28 Jan 2022 16:21:17
Hi Ed2,

Hope you are well. Great news that lfc has put in a bid for Diaz. I was curious to know if Porto dropped their asking price of his release clause paid in full? It’s being widely reported the deal will be around 37 million pounds and bonuses to Porto.

Any insight into this?

Vary1646

{Ed002's Note - it is a case of getting what they can given severe financial issues they have.}


1.) 28 Jan 2022 18:49:59
Weren't we also still owed for the Grujic deal? Maybe that had a part in it.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is nothing to do with Grujic.}


 

 

24 Aug 2021 16:24:24
Hey Ed2,

Hope you are doing well and keeping in good health (mentally as well, considering the C.V.) .

I wanted to understand from you if Liverpool ever tried this window to sign Mbappe?

The reason I ask is I see plenty of pieces in sky and other places that say the English club interested is Liverpool and that Mbappe only wanted Real. So despite the push, the club won’t be looking at a deal.

I don’t think that is the case and I doubt we would have ever tried to do this deal as the finances we are in just won’t allow it. However, too many people think otherwise and that finances could be worked out and did try, however Mbappe has his sights set elsewhere.

Vary1646

{Ed002's Note - No, they would be interested next summer if he is out of contract.}


1.) 24 Aug 2021 16:52:21
Interested maybe, likely to sign him though? More chance of Accrington Stanley winning the champions league this season.


2.) 24 Aug 2021 17:18:48
If he’s OOC he’s going to be looking at wages close to 1million a week I would guess which will seriously limit the clubs he could possibly sign for and write us out of the equation.


3.) 24 Aug 2021 17:38:35
I prefer players who actually want to play for the club without wanting ridiculous wages. We sign him next season we will never be rid of him and his ridiculous wages and he will drag the club down.


4.) 24 Aug 2021 18:03:09
Mickey- Mbappe is one of the best players in the world and worth being paid that way, why would he play for us on the cheap? Aside from being fans of clubs I don’t see why anyone would want to play for a team other than success and money, it’s the way it is and the majority of the time the clubs paying the most money are the most successful.
If Real are willing to pay 800k a week and we can offer say 300k he’s not going to come and play for us and that’s not being greedy on his part.


5.) 24 Aug 2021 18:04:17
Imagine paying him a king's ransom and he does his ACL or something in the first couple of games? And it doesn't exactly leave a lot in the kitty for other players.
All that has to be taken into consideration. Signing Mbappe would be financially putting all our eggs in one basket, and would probably end in disaster in one guise or another.


6.) 24 Aug 2021 20:24:53
Flash-We can’t afford him with all our eggs.


7.) 24 Aug 2021 22:47:48
I'm not saying I know what he thinks, but it seems Mbappe has a respect for Klopp and I glean would like to play for him.

Perhaps the Eds could elaborate, but I'd imagine one of the issues with Real offering him that kind of wage is this salary cap thing in La Liga.

I've always believed the club would be keen on him next summer - I think they can make an agreement in January?

I don't think he'd be a million quid a week at any club but to my mind it's not incomprehensible some middle ground can be found, with the implications being not too different from spreading the cost of a transfer as we've done with other players. He may even accept a larger signing on fee to reduce his wages, who knows. If we sell one or two of our front three as has been suggested, we may well have some funds to make all this happen.

Again, I think Klopp and the player are often quoted as exchanging compliments so. 🤷 Anything is possible.


8.) 24 Aug 2021 23:10:58
Mind you, sounds like Real have indeed now made a bid?


9.) 25 Aug 2021 09:33:57
He’ll end up at Madrid. He will never play for us. That was always one of the most nonsensical and ridiculous rumours ever.


 

 

18 Aug 2021 07:22:47
Hi Ed2,

Hope you are doing well and enjoyed the first weekend of premier league’s brand new season. I see a few rumors around Barnes.

Is it true we are interested in Harvey Barnes. Considering he signed a new deal, it must be dead in the water for this summer at least?

Vary1646

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty sure Liverpool have not made any approach for Barnes.}


1.) 18 Aug 2021 18:04:38
Answered your own there question Vary.


 

 

20 Jul 2021 00:17:26
Hi Ed’s,

News coming out Grujic is in Portugal to complete a loan move to Porto.

Any idea if this is a loan with obligation to buy or an option to buy?

Vary1646

{Ed002's Note - He is being sold and won't be returning to LIverpool.}


 

 

14 Jul 2021 21:59:48
Hi Ed002,

Fantastic insight on Saul’s position. It does look like he is off to Barcelona - one of the options you’d put out.

What we fans hear from James Pearce and the likes is that in this window we will be in for two more incomings. Looks like the finances to do that will be bolstered by and not solely dependent on our outgoings.

Two questions on this:

I remember you mentioning we might be in for a surprise and Romano has said this too. Do you think out of the two targets one might be a relatively high profile player this window (ala van dijk, Thiago or an Alison) and it comes on later in the window after we have dealt with the outgoings? I am okay whoever comes as long as it fits the team. However, when it is a high profile player cannot lie the excitement hits different.

Second, do you think for journalists outside Liverpool’s inner circle (Pearce, Joyce, Reddy) it is very hard to get a sniff of the club’s transfer dealings. Is it something that’s been tightened up actively?

As usual thanks for the inputs and keeping us all grounded! Cheers.

Vary1646

{Ed002's Note - It won’t be van Dijk, Thiago or Alison). High profile is subjective. Information comes from others away from the club - including agents.}


1.) 14 Jul 2021 22:56:18
That probably rules out Insigne then as for me he is high profile like the above mentioned 🤦🏻.


2.) 15 Jul 2021 02:18:03
I have no issue w signing lesser known players. Teams such as Leicester do it and then they become world beaters such as Tielemans, Soyunchu, Madison and Vardy to name a few. We always pay the inflated prices after a successful season or two. We could have got all three for the price of Keita.

{Ed0666's Note - whats to say Soyonchu, Tielmans, Madison et al would have flourished at Liverpool? This post typifies the entitled family base we have.


3.) 15 Jul 2021 13:13:00
Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum, Firmino, Fabinho were all in the 25-45M GBP range. Konate and Jota, more recent signings, are as well. We had misses with Keita, and perhaps Ox (injuries), but we have done incredibly well with our transfers in this price range. You can argue these guys have been as effective and may even a better fit for the way we play than a lot of guys with higher price tags would have been.


4.) 15 Jul 2021 15:38:55
I think Ed002 meant It won’t be van Dijk, Thiago or Alison, because they're already at the club. Toying with you a little. ;)

Potentially the sales of Grabara, Millar, Ojo, Grujic, Wilson, Shaqiri, Origi, Phillips and Awoniyi could add up to 70-80 million

I could imagine Insigne myself as he's got 1 year of his contract remaining and could offer good value similar to the Thiago deal. He would also be 'high profile' lol.


5.) 15 Jul 2021 17:23:53
0666, just making the point that we don't need to be competing at the high end of the market and talking silly money. I'm also not saying they would have worked out for us but using them as examples.

{Ed0666's Note - oh ok mate I hear ya. I like the way we do business now the way we mix up our purchases. For every Thiago there’s a Robbo. I’d hate to do business like United, massive transfer after massive transfer really is counter productive and nurtures inflated egos.


6.) 15 Jul 2021 18:56:30
Spot on, Ed. I don’t like the way we do business. I LOVE the way we do business. We spend on the RIGHT players that work for us and our objectives. If that means we spend 75m or 62m on VVD and Big Al or we spend 8m on an obscure Robbo from a relegated team then do be it provided they are the right players for us.

Now look at Utd. They signed Ahmad Diallo (37m) and Sancho for 77m (plus reportedly 50m agent fees, per Ed01) on the right wing position alone and we still don’t know if either will have the right type of impact yet and if they don’t, that’s 160m down the tubes potentially. I wouldn’t trade our model for anyone else’s cos well, it works and we have the receipts (trophies) to prove it.


7.) 16 Jul 2021 10:36:34
I mean we can only judge united after we see them, but realistically i think it could be tough to compete if any of their players do take off running. Sadly you can buy flops if you can keep buying big players in bulk like they seem to do. Feel like we could be left behind this year with our limited purchases and our pretty awful bench (which we saw this year with all the injuries) . But better then spending money you don't have!


 

 

 

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26 Oct 2021 06:11:18
Hi Ed’s,

Hope you are all doing well. I was thinking about our sponsorships recently and it looks like our current deal with Standard Chartered is set to expire by end of 22-23 season.

Would you have any insight into if FSG are looking for a technology industry sponsor assuming there is more money in tech or are more likely to renew with SC/ looking at other alternate options.

Vary1646

{Ed002's Note - They will initially look to a new deal with SC.}


 

 

16 Sep 2021 06:42:26
Hey Ed 001,

Hope everything is good at your end! Seeking out your opinion on something i have noticed off late with our team. Please note this is not me complaining/ throwing a fit or whatever. I am happy with starting UCL campaign with a win but I cannot lie I was overall a lil frustrated with an aspect of our play.

I think our first choice wingers (mane and salah) are far less effective than they used to be at the peak of their powers. With Mane it is clear for everyone to see, what is probably controversial and many may disagree with me is Salah. I see Salah changed his style to be as effective as before - by linking up more and trying to create chances for others more often.

Great wingers are good both when open space is ahead of them and also good at beating their man on the wing or wriggling out of a congested area with a combination of acceleration and touch.

Mane has clearly declined in the above aspects and I feel salah has too but has moulded his game to still be effective in other ways. Salah doesn’t seem to have the electric pace he once had (Arsenal goal at anfield, west ham counter with mane, …) and mane has lost more pace than Salah. I also think Salah has lost some of his acceleration and touch combination play he had (against Spurs for the injury time goal, watford where he boatengs Britos) .

Do you think this is a cause of concern for this team and needs to be addressed soon or do you see differently? One takeaway from today’s game for me was our wingers though they rack numbers up can be increasingly frustrating if opposition get tight and the area around the box has traffic. There was a couple of instances where I saw Matip/ Keita break through a crowded area around the box more successfully than our wingers with effective dribbling. Our wingers now seem to work better when they have space to run into.

Interested to hear your take!

Vary1646

{Ed001's Note - I can't agree with you at all sorry. They are fine, it is just that now they are always at least double-marked and are given no room to do anything. That is what creates space for the likes of Matip and Keita to move through, as the opposition are too busy trying to block off passes to Mane and Salah, rather than closing them down.}


1.) 16 Sep 2021 07:22:51
Salah and Mane are still quick. It’s just that in the modern day professional game all players are athletes. Gone are the days where centre backs are big lumbering headers of the ball and full backs are there to make up numbers. You only have to look at stats of players who are recorded quickest in the league and Europe and it’s no longer dominated by forwards. The great thing is that both don’t solely rely on pace to score goals because they still getting plenty of chances and goals.


2.) 16 Sep 2021 07:58:03
Op I think salah looks amazing at the min in fact I can’t remember him looking anything but amazing! We all know mane has suffered from long C.V. and is definitely getting back to some good form. Am just thankful we have them to be honest.


3.) 16 Sep 2021 08:03:29
Salah has gotten better imo. His link up play has gone up a level. Also, did you see him sprint all the way back to cover for Trent and winning the ball back? That was the moment of the day for me! :)


4.) 16 Sep 2021 07:36:52
Hmmm…. I do have to disagree with OP too. I think that most teams know they can’t match our front 3 and have decided to park the bus more, hence it’s not so easy for our wingers to slice them open anymore.

I know Mane has cut a frustrating figure in the past 12 months, esp. with the missed chances. But, it wasn’t so long ago that he had long stretches where he was unplayable. Also, Mane has always missed chances, he just ain’t as clinical. But he always gets into or creates goal scoring chances. So I’m still quite satisfied with her and hope that he puts on his scoring boots a bit more.


5.) 16 Sep 2021 08:11:50
His finishing hasn't been great so far this season, but other than that mane is playing really well I think. Salah is salah, he's one of the best in the world and is playing as such. They're both probably still building a relationship with Jota, which means they're less fluent, but I definitely haven't seen anything to complain about.


6.) 16 Sep 2021 09:29:05
Personally I think the weak midfield is the problem.


7.) 16 Sep 2021 10:22:19
Wingers are indeed better when they have space to run into, someone should tell the opposition teams to give mane and Salah some more space lol
In all seriousness I doubt you would find many wingers who would be better than Salah or mane considering how tightly they are marked.
It’s up to other players like Jota, Firmino and whoever’s playing in the advanced midfield role to make the most of the gaps that Salah and mane create.
When we counter attack you see Salah and mane making them runs you are talking about, the problem is we are only ever in a position to counter attack when we are ahead in games or in the rare occasion a team comes and has a real go at us.


8.) 16 Sep 2021 10:42:58
If you're comparing Salah to Theo Hernandez who he was up against yesterday then its worth understanding that Hernandez is absolutely rapid! Timori is also pretty fast.
Salah is a machine and I think he's going to have a very very good season.


9.) 16 Sep 2021 11:11:12
I was looking metrics the other day for Mane, Salah and Bobby from 2018 to this season.

Mane had the highest conversion rate of all 3 from 2018-2020, then simply fell off a cliff last season. Why? Who knows, C.V., injury, weird season etc could have set him back.

Im not sure whether that means a rot has set in for him. But what is consistent with him is his work off the ball and particularly defensively where he has consisently performed better in that area of the pitch compared to his amigos.


10.) 16 Sep 2021 11:25:13
Salah has been consistent throughout his time at Liverpool. Mane however I think is on the decline. Sad to see because I love him and hope I’m proved wrong because he was and hopefully is still a great player. Just something is telling me he won’t rediscover his pre last season form. Also we need to rebuild so maybe summer would be the best time to cash in.


11.) 16 Sep 2021 12:07:45
I agree with the OP but I think both have adapted their game especially Salah who is so good in the box and a clever finisher.
There was a time when if both were in open space one on one with a defender you would put your house on them getting past, that’s now not the case imo.


12.) 16 Sep 2021 13:51:20
I think salah is looking better. All round play and team work is miles better than last season. Passing and vision has improved.

Mane is still the same player talent wise and work rate wise. I think he is starting to decline ever so slightly on the consistency front.

Where before i would have put them in the same bracket i just feel mane is now a level below salah as an overall package.

Maybe its just a case of him being in his own head too much and a solid run of great games gets him back to free flowing football without over thinking.

Struggle to think of anyone out there that could replace him so he is probably doing just fine all things considered and we are being overly harsh on the lad.


13.) 16 Sep 2021 14:03:56
Salah has played in 5 games and has been involved in 6 goals. The guy is amazing. Mane is being double team almost every time he gets the ball, plus he hasn't had the service he normally gets.


14.) 16 Sep 2021 16:46:03
As Ed said, it is more a case of the oppo. picking their poison and do not want to be beaten by the front 3 so they try to shackle them and then say, "Go on. Who else you got that can beat us? ". They will be fine esp when the team is at full pelt cos it is still early in the season.


15.) 16 Sep 2021 16:59:38
Firstly, would like to say thankyou for expressing your opinion in a mature and eloquent fashion. If any of the crybabies from late August are still milling about, let this be an example of how you can be critical of the team in an rational, intellectual capacity without resorting to hyperbolic childish slander.

Having said that, i don’t think i could disagree more emphatically. I must admit i was one of the Mane naysayers last season, i thought he was past it and in many games didn’t even look to be trying. His touch, his movement, his finishing, it was all abysmal. I’m delighted to be able to say how wrong i was and how fantastic he has been the first few weeks of the season. He’s playing with real fire in his belly and with an intensity i haven’t seen for a long time. His unpredictability in his all round play is back, his movement is fantastic and he just looks so confident and dangerous, on and off the ball. The only thing missing is his finishing, and to be honest i think that is something that will come back in time. Mane is a player who, when at his best, plays on the edge. He is so explosive and unpredictable that i don’t think he even knows what he’s going to do half the time, he just taps into this sort of footballing voodoo and he let's his body take him wherever it wants to go. You can see that is back in his all round game but not in goalscoring positions. His whole body language changes, everything slows down and its all too forced and laboured. He just needs to play himself back into confidence and trust his instincts again. The Leeds game was a perfect microcosm of this. He fluffed so many good chances by panicking and trying to force things, but his goal was pure instinct. One touch, turn, finish, bang, quicker than a flash. Hopefully that goal will remind him what he can do when he just goes with the flow, but after the horrors of last season its no surprise he is a little tentative.

As for Salah, i can’t say much else other than i’ve been completely in awe of him this season. He seems to have gone up yet another level and his all round game is just astonishing now, he’s a far better player than he was when he joined. He should never have been able to score as many goals as he did during his first season, teams sitting back against us as they do now should have all but nullified him, but his desire to keep on improving has turned him into the complete forward. His upper body strength, dribbling, passing, creativity, speed of thought, he’s got everything now. I think your judgement of his and Mane’s perceived lack of pace is way off the mark; just go and compare clips of the goals we score now to the ones that Salah was scoring in his first season. The amount of space teams were willing to give us back then was far more than it is now. The goals we score now are far more complex and skilful than back then, Salah and Mane can’t use their lightning pace because teams don’t give them the space in behind to use it. Salah has started this season like a man possessed and at the rate at which he is continuing to improve, combined with his relentless fitness crusade, he could be playing at this level way into his mid thirties. Losing him would be nothing less than a disaster. Obviously the club have to be shrewd when negotiating but they really should be throwing the kitchen sink at keeping him if it comes to that.

Both lads have still got it and are back with a vengeance. Both will be in the top 5 scorers in the league this season, no doubt. I wouldn’t worry about them mate, just enjoy watching them while you can.


16.) 16 Sep 2021 20:46:30
People have very short memories. 2 seasons ago Mane was just about our best player. He eclipsed Salah and we won the league. Last season he started well, got C.V. and his form fell off a cliff. What is all this long time rubbish? You mean 6 months, right?


17.) 17 Sep 2021 08:30:12
Spot on, Mark.


18.) 17 Sep 2021 08:45:15
Thanks for all the inputs! It opens up so much perspective. Shoutout to Ed1 and Woolback for your responses. I will be watching the games more closely for rest of the season. I see the double marking, however I did remember 2 or 3, 1v1 down the wing that salah was trying to meg and get past Theo Hernandez. Theo got the better of him every time ; blocking the attempt to run in behind.

I think there was an X factor he possessed where any 1 v 1 he left defenders for dead with change of pace and trickery. These days when salah comes up against a defender 1v1, he seems to run into traffic as opposed to beating the man frequently. He sometimes still does it though- like where he went on a mazy run against Norwich taking on 2-3 players. However, they seem to be measured in his game now and not as frequent.


 

 

08 Sep 2021 00:39:35
Hi Ed2,

Hope you are well and had a good Labor Day weekend, if you are stateside. A while back you said Liverpool were doing well on and off the pitch. Interested to hear your thoughts on how overall the club have done since C.V. - What have we done well/ Where do you see us needing to improve?

Vary1646

{Ed002's Note - CV has had a huge impact on the club financially and the next set of accounts will show a significant loss. The club will need to fund transfers through sales going forward.}


1.) 08 Sep 2021 12:33:52
Ed, will the club aggressively pursue more sponsorship opportunities to shorten the recovery time?

{Ed002's Note - The club have a fill of major sponsors right now.}


 

 

11 Aug 2021 06:54:53
Hey Ed’s,

What are some of the good books out there you’d recommend to read up for how clubs do transfers and what goes on behind the scenes?

Vary1646

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any books. What is your question?}


1.) 11 Aug 2021 09:41:14
Try "Brown Paper Bags" by Big Sam! Being serious The Damned United is a good book, Clough go around to a players house asking the player to sign, the player says "let me sleep on it" Clough replies "no problem, I will take the spare room" and signs him in the morning over breakfast.


 

 

05 Aug 2021 00:45:18
Hey Ed2,

Vary1646

{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get in to the finances.}


1.) 05 Aug 2021 09:57:49
What happened the price of a freddo bar was it inflation?


2.) 05 Aug 2021 10:46:22
If i use clubcard boot at tesco am i really getting a better deal than at B&M.


3.) 05 Aug 2021 11:20:53
You know what Jay, the Freddo bar increase has just resulted in a crime wave of Freddo bar shoplifting.


4.) 05 Aug 2021 14:04:59
Orbiting the Earth on the International Space Station, They drink their own pee.
If the players did that at Liverpool instead of drinking water, we might be able save some more money to buy a new player, for the Red Sox.


 

 

 

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17 Sep 2021 08:45:15
Thanks for all the inputs! It opens up so much perspective. Shoutout to Ed1 and Woolback for your responses. I will be watching the games more closely for rest of the season. I see the double marking, however I did remember 2 or 3, 1v1 down the wing that salah was trying to meg and get past Theo Hernandez. Theo got the better of him every time ; blocking the attempt to run in behind.

I think there was an X factor he possessed where any 1 v 1 he left defenders for dead with change of pace and trickery. These days when salah comes up against a defender 1v1, he seems to run into traffic as opposed to beating the man frequently. He sometimes still does it though- like where he went on a mazy run against Norwich taking on 2-3 players. However, they seem to be measured in his game now and not as frequent.

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06 Aug 2021 00:13:07
Ed2 - I really hope this surprise is not coutinho coming back lol.

Vary1646

{Ed002's Note - It should cheer everyone up. Good old Pipco.}


 

 

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16 Jul 2021 17:23:41
Haha Ed2 you made my post a meme. Some of these comments are hilarious.

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04 Jul 2021 00:12:57
Ed0666, Firstly, to clear up something I think are owners are much better than what we had before. That doesn’t mean I cannot be critical of things. With all due respect, I think you misunderstood my point. I am not saying the owners are bad. Instead what I was trying to make sense is that if you have limited resources and run so close to the edge money spent should be prioritized that much more on things that need attention at your club. Our club revenues are hit and we are making even more losses, yet we are putting away money towards stadium expansion that brings in marginal increase in revenue year on year.

With our model, FSG diversifying the resources into building up LFC as an asset by improving infrastructure than having a competitive first XI along with a strong bench for the coming seasons is puzzling. How long back do we have to go to say we had a strong XI and a very competitive bench?

The model we operate it is absolutely critical to make sure we build on the platform that the recent success we had and maximize Klopp’s remaining contract. If that means investing into the squad via significant player sales (which we are not doing) / reallocating resources kept aside for other things (stadium) into the squad; we must do it. It is very important for LFC in this period considering our situation.

Vary1646

{Ed0666's Note - I’m not the biggest fans of the owners but I think it’s admirable that in a world wide pandemic where clubs are going bust, being asset stripped and not being able to pay employees we are building new stands a new training facility that is comparable to anything in the world and sizeable funds being committed to summer transfers. You have to understand Vary we aren’t Chelsea, Man United, City, PSG, we can’t afford to stockpile a superb 11 and a world class bench. I have no idea wether FSG are making the club look pretty to sell it.


 

 

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03 Jul 2021 22:53:15
Thanks Ed2 for your response.

I am just surprised if owners are using a hand to mouth approach to run their business, spending on training facilities and stadium should be a lower priority in comparison to filling squad gaps.

With this model, we will struggle to keep a very competitive first XI and bench at the same time in the following years unless a Barcelona situation keeps popping up and we continue to get value in the market when we buy.

My point is that it is baffling that having said all this we continue to see infrastructure spending to be sanctioned when we run so thin that at any point our squad never looks strong (mostly bench options) . Makes the poor model even worse in my opinion.

Do you think the emphasis on improving overall club facilities and infrastructure leans towards prepping for an exit strategy out of Liverpool for FSG or I am reading too much into it?

Vary1646

{Ed0666's Note - spending on infrastructure I would assume means the converse of short term thinking. And the Man United fans are up in arms about their stadium/training facilities being piss poor so let’s applaud FSG for doing this instead of persecuting them hey?


 

 





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