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28 Nov 2017 21:42:56
Right football couldn't be summed up better in this quote.
BBC live stream
"I really really really hate to say this but is this the end for poch at Spurs? "
Is this a joke. Like honestly. Champions league regulars, and now potential group winners. A title challenge. Ok players turned into absolute super stars. A team going no where now entering elite realms within the prem. Omg. I can't believe that got posted hahaha.
1.) 28 Nov 2017 22:11:45
I think the guy might have a point. Poch built a cracking side 2 years ago and they were genuine contenders to Leicester. Last season though they may have finished 2nd, but they never looked like genuine contenders.
Poch has signed dross like Wanyama, Sissoko, Aurier, Nkoudou, Sanchez etc. He's hacking apart a great team and trying constant changes in his formation and tactics and it is killing them. They're now boring and inconsistent. When he gets it right they're great, but when he gets it wrong they just look decent. I don't know why he keeps signing players who are strong or fast but have no actual quality.
I think Poch has taken them as far as he can and now he is desperately trying to go one step further, but has ran out of ideas. He's done a great job though, and it's possible that it is Spurs holding back Poch than vice versa. Whichever it is, Poch doesn't look capable of winning trophies at Tottenham and Tottenham don't look capable of winning trophies with Poch.
I predicted before the season that Spurs and Arsenal would be the teams to miss out on the top 4. I thought Spurs had proved me wrong when they started winning at Wembley, but they've only gone and gotten all Spursy and bottled it 4 months earlier than normal!
2.) 28 Nov 2017 22:12:59
Like how? I am a fan of Poch. But it’s november 28 and they are left with only FA cup to play for! Title is out of hands now. By tomorrow they might slip down to 7th place. They won’t win the CL and FA cup is anybody’s game.
I am sorry but a manger is judged by trophies unless he is Mr klopp. He works under levy on a modest budget is his best advantage!
3.) 28 Nov 2017 23:05:27
I agree with MK on this but I’d like to add they rely way, way, way too much on Kane. Let’s not forget Poch was the guy who refused to play Kane initially preferring Soldado until fan pressure got to him.
They have a bigger problem though and that is Kyle Walker. Allowing him to leave for City was a huge mistake in my view and will see their team fall apart. You can imagine the banter going back and forth about what he’s doing and the money he’s earning. Sooner or later they will all want a bit of that and Spurs won’t give it to them. We’ve already seen Rose piping up and Ali seems to being readying himself for a move. Even Kane will go if he’s not earning the money he deserves as one of the best strikers in the world and who can blame him?
4.) 29 Nov 2017 00:54:12
i think pooch is the best manager thwy can have. yes a manager is judged on tropies but who is available out there who will go to spurs and guarantee a trophy. no one. Winning the prem you have to invest and have the best players and get lucky too. Leicester was an exception to be honest. Can our manager guarantee trophies or build a side better than spurs with the limited budget pooch has? i 100% doubt it. so based on the last few games if pooch should get the boot then Kloop should too.
Levy is very smart bussinessman he will not sack pooch as pooch is good in developing youngster and then they will sell them for profit and if he can get them CL every year then that's guaranteed revenue too.
5.) 29 Nov 2017 03:07:06
How amusing that the OP bemoans fickleness of modern football supporters and the the subsequent posters show their fickleness. Pochettino is a superb manager who has done a brilliant job at Spurs and is going through his first sticky spell in 3 years, barring a couple of terrible misses they would have beaten Leicester. Yes Spurs probably can’t win the league, guess what neither can about 18 other teams now. Spurs, like Liverpool are never going to have instant success, it has to be built over time.
6.) 29 Nov 2017 03:58:47
Spurs has not won a league title in over 55 years while Liverpool in over 26 years. Over time! 😆😆😆😆. The mantra is simple! Invest heavily and sustain the success! Chelsea and City are prime examples, who will not fall off from their current regime!
7.) 29 Nov 2017 05:49:30
Yes Harry you are probably correct the best way to achieve success is to spend more money than anyone else, however most clubs are unable to spend £200 million in one summer, therefore these clubs need to find another way to try to be successful. It’s not a level playing field, therefore we shouldn’t hold the likes of Klopp and Pochettino to the same expectation as Guardiola and Conte.
8.) 29 Nov 2017 06:35:14
I think this little run is proving that he relies on Alderweireld as much as he relies on Kane.
9.) 29 Nov 2017 07:19:13
Smeg, he's a great manager. I didn't dispute that.
However, he has hit a ceiling at Spurs and they are now going backwards. He built a world class team, and as it ages and gets dismantled, he is replacing people with bang average players due to a lack of funds.
It was okay to slowly build a team to get to where they are, but now he's losing his best players, he needed to replace them with people of equal quality to stay where they are. That is simply impossible with the financial constrictions at Spurs. Harry Kane is a £300k a week, £200m striker. Poch will get £40m and £100k a week to replace him though. It's not possible.
Spurs could still win a domestic cup, but Pochettino isn't interested in them. He wants the League or CL.
Give Spurs a manager like Dyche and i reckon they'll win a domestic cup.
Give Poch and team like Real Madrid and i reckon he'll win the CL.
The Poch-Spurs thing has gone stale though. If you were a Spurs fan would you rather finish top 4 every year and never win a thing? Or finish top 6 every year and win the odd trophy? No brainer for me, as Trophies are everything.
10.) 29 Nov 2017 07:51:24
This is the irony of this debate. Poch, a very good manager who has won nothing in his career, is considered a great manager and by some, a better manager than our own JK who actually has a pretty loaded trophy cabinet. That can definitely not be right, logically. The same people who say that trophies are the best way to judge a manager, also say that a manager who has won nothing is better than one who actually has, based on their careers. Another illogical conclusion. A manager that has won nothing simply CANNOT be considered as great, simple. That makes NO sense but anyway, I digress.
As for Poch, I think MK and some others are too quick to jump on the Poch is finished rhetoric as to me, all they are having now is a wobble. We had a wobble ourselves last Jan/ Feb and this season and that did not stop us from making CL or gaining 10 out of 12 points of late. Let's wait and see if this continues before we draw conclusions. I do think that Spurs lacks depth and Poch only has one way of playing and does not know how to/ want to change things when things up tactically. As for who will win what if given this or that team, no one really knows so to me, that is a non debate. We shall see what happens to Spurs going forward esp. with some of their star players (Toby, Rose) don't wanna play there anymore, it seems.
11.) 29 Nov 2017 09:03:27
Poch is tactically a very good manager and better than Klopp! Poch needs money! Spurs need money! Unfortunately his hands are tied and he need to work inside a very tight budget at spurs which will always derail his title challange. They have a very good first 11 but a relatively poor bench! They are the next Arsenal. Build a brand new stadium lol!
You can't blame some fans who are sick and tired of watching them winning nothing year in year out. Not everyone are liverpool supporters.
A manager is judged by trophies. Period! Not by the goals his side scores, Not by the goals his side concede. It’s trophies and only trophies!
It’s no irony. Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool will always have to contain with chasing 4th place trophy while City, Chelsea and UTD will always be mentioned in the title chase!
{Ed001's Note - if he is so tactically good, why has he been undone by the likes of Puel this season? Why does such a great manager keep leaving Dembele on the bench while picking donkeys like Sissoko who have all the defensive ability of a 5 year old child? Why did he buy the world's most overrated defender in Davison Sanchez and continue to pick him as first choice, despite him being terrible defensively? Poch is ok, but he needs to win something, instead of his team folding every time they get within reach of a trophy to be considered great.}
12.) 29 Nov 2017 09:08:34
My best mate is a Spurs fan and he still thinks Poch is taking spurs forward. I think he's got as close to success as possible and now the team will disintegrate as his star players seek the wages they're worth.
13.) 29 Nov 2017 09:22:06
I don’t know why he refuses to chose Dembele. ( his injury might be one reason ) He doesn’t last 90 mts. How ever I agree he is the best midfielder at Spurs. Spurs are certainly missing Toby and Llorente has been a flop. Sanchez is ok. He is young and would improve. Aurier is crap. I don’t know who calls the shot in signing players.
Poch is good but he needs to win which he won’t, hence spurs fans are not happy!
14.) 29 Nov 2017 18:14:04
Ar no ed. He's an absolute beast of a manager.
What he has done with the budget and players at his disposal is simply fantastic.
His champions league qual coming against trams spending 70+ mil per year and more. Whilst he gets a pittance.
They had mane at the training ground when we signed him but levy won't break the wage structure so they couldn't get him. Signing players like sanchez was because he is playing a back 3 and wants an anchor, he wasn't signed for his defensive qualities aka a carra but more his sweeping qualities. Pace and passing. He plays sissoko for his energy up and down the park.
He has bought players like wanyama and achieved 2nd in the league.
He gave kane his chance. Yrs kane took it but he gave It, how many managers give therre young players a shot.
That year he also gave mason and bentaleb there debs.
He also turned walker into a 50 million pound player.
You forget the only real players he has fought in his proper starting 11 is, alderwiereld, wanyama, ali and son.
Now that's a proper coach, who doesn't need his 'own' players. That team that is now so good was absolutely dog before him.
I think he's brilliant but just suffering from lack of transfer options.
Imagine they had got mane last year and salah this year. If the money and wages had been spent. There already a different propersition.
{Ed001's Note - sounds like lots of excuses for mediocrity there. Also a load of crap about turning Walker into anything, the transfer market's inflation turned him into a £50m player, not Poch. Wanyama is dog turd. Sorry but Poch is nothing special until he wins something and stops buying crap like Sanchez, Wanyama and Sissoko to replace quality players. You are just another Harry, with the grass is greener syndrome.}
15.) 29 Nov 2017 20:25:57
Top - one small clarification. Im pretty certain it was Sherwood who gave Kane his chance not Poch. i do like the way he has setup his team so they know their roles and cover for each other (some of our players could do with learning that) . Do worry that his teams do seem to let pressure get to them. Not sure if that is down to him or that his players don't have the mental strength to push on and win trophies. Im going to wait and see how he handles this "slump".
23 Oct 2017 11:16:05
Oh another thing.
apart from walker look at how much city have improved with a top goal keeper.
Talking about dms and better this and that. Just remember how good de gea makes jones and smalling look.
A good goalkeeper is as crucial as a good manager or striker. It's the most important position.
1.) 23 Oct 2017 11:49:18
WARD proved himself to be a good keeper last season ok it was only in the championship but unless he is given an opportunity to prove himself in the first team we will never know hand on heart everyone can he be any worse than migs or karius.
10 Oct 2017 18:42:07
Ed1 could they move all the qualifier internationals to after the end of the season, and then with these 2 multiple weeks wasted on them add them to the end of the summer so the players make there time off up and three could just have a continuous season without any of this stupid stoppages.
There's another one due in November. That's 6 weeks for players to off, if we had that extra space for games, we could even sing a 2 week winter break.
{Ed001's Note - I think it would be better as well. Do a club season, then an international season. It would make much more sense than the current mess.}
1.) 10 Oct 2017 21:47:41
Exactly what I was thinking when I read about Mane. The clubs invest heavily in these players and cannot afford these injuries when we rely on others to look after their well-being
Club before Country club everytime.
28 Sep 2017 13:58:55
Ed say we point blank refuse to sell coutinho. Could he announce his retirement, be released from his contract and sign with Barcelona in say 8 months. Just curious.
{Ed002's Note - No.}
1.) 28 Sep 2017 14:43:09
Ed if a club were to buy a player and then that player were to retire is that player obligated to repay the fees such as signing fees they paid for that player? Didn't Antonio Cassano join a club over the summer then retire a few days after signing or am I thinking of someone else?
{Ed002's Note - It would depend what his contract states but Antonio Cassano would not have made money out of what he did this past summer.}
29 Nov 2017 18:15:18
Yeah faith that's also why he was actually converted to a right winger because hacking in the middle isn't his game.
He's not a quick think like everyone thinks. He does need that time the wing allows.
28 Nov 2017 18:08:33
Aren't him and can taking a big risk in world cup year. For me if th3u haven't forced there moves by January, then I believe atleast coutinho will perform a lot alot a lot better through the end of the season. He's not irriplacable in that Brazil team, especially with players such as Willian. Not say he's bett2e but if he's on better form it is the rw after all.
28 Oct 2017 09:50:21
Hes fight through these minor issues if he was at Barcelona.
10 Oct 2017 18:39:25
Goretzka ed?
Perfect like for like replacement for can, probably better tbh.
{Ed002's Note - No not Goretzka.}
29 Sep 2017 20:57:48
A few years ago around the time we signed firmino I would of been furious with 70 mil for keita, but after last summer. Yes we have signed a 35 million cm for more than double but city sign a 25 mil rb and lb for 50 mil each. Tottenham signed a young 18 mil cb for 42 mil. Everton signed signurdaon for 45 mil, drink water for 40 mil, ox 4o mil. It was a mental summer, and it's properly not the end of it all.
05 Dec 2017 13:44:34
Your not winning the league without 20 goals minimum from your striker. Even if you have a blinding so winger.
As Long as everyone's happy with top 4 then there's nothing to worry about :)
30 Nov 2017 08:54:52
This sounds silly but is anyone curious for just how good this guy is going to be on next year's fifa haha. Dreading it tbh. 95 pace and what 85/ 87 shooting. Jesus.
30 Nov 2017 08:52:59
Sort it out means play Gomez and ward now until Jan atleast.
29 Nov 2017 18:14:04
Ar no ed. He's an absolute beast of a manager.
What he has done with the budget and players at his disposal is simply fantastic.
His champions league qual coming against trams spending 70+ mil per year and more. Whilst he gets a pittance.
They had mane at the training ground when we signed him but levy won't break the wage structure so they couldn't get him. Signing players like sanchez was because he is playing a back 3 and wants an anchor, he wasn't signed for his defensive qualities aka a carra but more his sweeping qualities. Pace and passing. He plays sissoko for his energy up and down the park.
He has bought players like wanyama and achieved 2nd in the league.
He gave kane his chance. Yrs kane took it but he gave It, how many managers give therre young players a shot.
That year he also gave mason and bentaleb there debs.
He also turned walker into a 50 million pound player.
You forget the only real players he has fought in his proper starting 11 is, alderwiereld, wanyama, ali and son.
Now that's a proper coach, who doesn't need his 'own' players. That team that is now so good was absolutely dog before him.
I think he's brilliant but just suffering from lack of transfer options.
Imagine they had got mane last year and salah this year. If the money and wages had been spent. There already a different propersition.
{Ed001's Note - sounds like lots of excuses for mediocrity there. Also a load of crap about turning Walker into anything, the transfer market's inflation turned him into a £50m player, not Poch. Wanyama is dog turd. Sorry but Poch is nothing special until he wins something and stops buying crap like Sanchez, Wanyama and Sissoko to replace quality players. You are just another Harry, with the grass is greener syndrome.}
28 Nov 2017 21:46:23
Ed why do they being everyone back.
This night be abit simple but I was always coaches and brought to understand that if you leave a striker up then two defenders must stay back, 2 strikers and 3 defenders
We never leave someone on the half way line. What good is salah in the box. Stick him in the circle. And there is no way he's getting left. Either target him with a header or a soon as we can get migs the ball he can attempt to hit him straight on the break.
{Ed001's Note - I have no idea why teams now bring everyone back. It is ridiculous if you ask me.}