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17 Apr 2022 18:46:17
Eds,

Where do you see The Ox, Gomez, Taki and Karius moving to in the summer now that it looks like Divock is going to AC Milan?

Carvallo the Ox replacement in squad with Harvey and Curtis gradually getting more game time also over next couple of seasons .

{Ed002's Note - I don't know at this time but there has been interest in Karius from Basel, Union Berlin and Greuther Firth but Liverpool priced him out of a move. He will be able to see what he has offered to him in the summer. AOC is uncomfortable with his lack of game time and options are being sought by his agent. Leeds remain concerned about losing Raphinha and have asked about the about the availability of Minamino - but I suspect that interest has gone. Liverpool are aware of Newcastle and Aston Villa interest in Gomez.}

1.) 18 Apr 2022 10:35:45
Thanks Ed.

👍👍👍.

2.) 18 Apr 2022 11:27:50
I don’t know why but I can see aoc at West Ham I think he would do well their plenty game time and back in the big smoke .

3.) 18 Apr 2022 12:25:58
I’m torn with Gomez, think he’s as good a right back and centre back cover we can get, but he needs more games than that. If he’s happy fighting, I’d like him to stay. I think AOCs time has come, and it seems minamino too. Shame for minamino but the signings of jota and Diaz have shown he’s not of that ilk. To compete on all fronts, he is 6th choice and must know that. If we lose origi and him, do we need a replacement or can elliot cover there if needed? I still think one of mane firmino or salah will leave, and pray we replace. The last few games have shown how vital good rotation is, and hope Diaz wasn’t a replacement signed early and that’s that.

4.) 18 Apr 2022 17:16:01
Firmane, you may be right about the front 3. From past experience, we are not exactly the club that buys players for 40 Million plus, to sit them on the bench (Jota and then Diaz), while other teams may do it. I would not be surprised to see 1 or maybe even 2 of the front 3 leave, with additions being brought in to slot the 5th and 6th attack positions. You never know, Minamino may be kept simply because he can play on the right, while Mane, Jota and Diaz slot in easily on the left and center.

I hope to God it doesn't happen. The strike force we have right now, must be scaring the daylights out of opposing teams.

5.) 18 Apr 2022 18:01:08
Firmino out Carvalho in, likely to be the only movement there is my guess.

6.) 19 Apr 2022 09:16:17
I think this summer might see a lot players moved on

Taki - needs to find a club that'll play him everyweek
Origi - going to AC Milan - wish him all the best love the man
Neco - needs to move on for first team football
Phillips - needs to move on for first team football
Davies - panic buy by us needs to move on
Ox - needs to be playing week in week out
Adrian - end of contract
Karius - end of contract
Rhys - needs another loan
Milner - odd one could stay for another year maybe coaching but he'll be on high wages which is not good

include Salah and Gomez as potentials that's 12 players going big summer.

7.) 19 Apr 2022 16:09:37
Be sad if Gomez leaves, he's a great player with lots of potential. Had it not been for that nasty injury he'd probably still be first choice.

8.) 20 Apr 2022 07:08:08
Whats the plan for Curtis Jones?
Personally think a loan would be a good thing for him to get some regular games.

I see him dropping even further down the order next season.

9.) 20 Apr 2022 23:21:05
I think Jones is the player who takes on from Henderson when he eventually moves on a loan to a Prem club would be great experience for him.

10 Mar 2022 17:53:05
Good to see Joe Gomez today being linked to some good Premier League clubs today as seems a great character and should be playing regularly to try get into the England WC squad next season .

He's not good enough now to start for an elite side like Liverpool as not strong enough aerially and doesn't defend his box well enough, but he could be excellent in a 3 at the back with 2 strong CB's alongside him where his pace in covering both would be a huge asset .

Spurs under Conte would be perfect.

If we can get north of £25m can put this in the Bellingham war chest for this summer or summer after and bring Nat Philips back as cover provided he is happy to come back as 4th choice .

1.) 10 Mar 2022 18:23:34
Would rather Van Den Berg than Phillips. But would much rather just keep Gomez in fairness, why break up a group that are the strongest in the league?

{Ed0666's Note - Philips will sell for a pretty penny in the summer!

2.) 10 Mar 2022 19:20:45
I think Van Den Berg’s return from Preston will be as cover (with the continued progression of fBradley’s development) will allow Neco to make a permanent move away.

I reckon we will see Neco and Nat leave permanently with a loan move for Rhys Williams and leave us with TAA and Bradley as tight backs, Robbo and Tsimikas as left backs, VVD, Matip and Konate as CBS and Joe and Sepp as cover for both RB and CB. With young Beck progressing as a LB we should be covered.

If Joe does leave then I think we will sign another CB as I don’t see the manager ever picking Nat or Rhys on a regular basis. Although finances don’t work along the lines of : we have sold A so the money will be used to buy B, it is not too much of a stretch to assume that (part of) any money received for Neco, Nat and Joe could be used for a fourth CB.

Of course it’s just my opinion and none of the above might happen.

3.) 10 Mar 2022 19:29:11
Gomez is a weak link in our team when he plays despite his pace. I read a tactical analysis which was done on Klopp's Dortmund years ago and it focused on why the aerial power of Hummels and Subotic was so critical to the high press he deployed. Pace at the back is often seen as vital in a high press. This analysis (which i tend to agree with) reasoned that it is not. Pace helps for sure as it allows more room for error but a lack of it can be overcome by intelligent reading of the game or by having a sweeper keeper. If your centre backs are weak in the air though, that will affect a high press more. This analysis explained that if you press correctly, the easiest way teams can get out is by kicking the ball long. Thus the importance on winning that first header, so you can effectively pin the opposition back by getting a stranglehold on their out ball. Gomez is weak in the air and that inability to reliably win the first duel gives teams the opportunity to get numbers up in support and break the press. I cannot remember where i read it unfortunately but it stuck with me because it made so much sense. Nonetheless, I didn't want to try and pass it off as my own original thoughts, and people are still free to disagree of course!

Gomez does have his strengths. In a back 3 he would thrive off the right side, given freedom to play out from the back. He is comfortable an the ball and good 1v1 when pulled out wide. He's also just a really good bloke. In the right team he'll be a very good player. Liverpool is just not that team for me. Virgil, Matip and Konate suit us better and part of that is because they are imperious in the air. Virgil and Konate have pace anyway but Matip is proof it's no more of a priority to Klopp now as it was when he had Hummels! I'd keep Phillips as 4th choice but if he and Gomez both leave then I guess we may have to strengthen. We could see if Rhys Williams or Koumetio look up to it in pre-season alternatively. Van den Berg has been playing right back mainly for PNE so not an option at CB in my opinion but possibly a good replacement for Neco Williams if he leaves permanently.

4.) 10 Mar 2022 19:29:11
Gomez is a weak link in our team when he plays despite his pace. I read a tactical analysis which was done on Klopp's Dortmund years ago and it focused on why the aerial power of Hummels and Subotic was so critical to the high press he deployed. Pace at the back is often seen as vital in a high press. This analysis (which i tend to agree with) reasoned that it is not. Pace helps for sure as it allows more room for error but a lack of it can be overcome by intelligent reading of the game or by having a sweeper keeper. If your centre backs are weak in the air though, that will affect a high press more. This analysis explained that if you press correctly, the easiest way teams can get out is by kicking the ball long. Thus the importance on winning that first header, so you can effectively pin the opposition back by getting a stranglehold on their out ball. Gomez is weak in the air and that inability to reliably win the first duel gives teams the opportunity to get numbers up in support and break the press. I cannot remember where i read it unfortunately but it stuck with me because it made so much sense. Nonetheless, I didn't want to try and pass it off as my own original thoughts, and people are still free to disagree of course!

Gomez does have his strengths. In a back 3 he would thrive off the right side, given freedom to play out from the back. He is comfortable an the ball and good 1v1 when pulled out wide. He's also just a really good bloke. In the right team he'll be a very good player. Liverpool is just not that team for me. Virgil, Matip and Konate suit us better and part of that is because they are imperious in the air. Virgil and Konate have pace anyway but Matip is proof it's no more of a priority to Klopp now as it was when he had Hummels! I'd keep Phillips as 4th choice but if he and Gomez both leave then I guess we may have to strengthen. We could see if Rhys Williams or Koumetio look up to it in pre-season alternatively. Van den Berg has been playing right back mainly for PNE so not an option at CB in my opinion but possibly a good replacement for Neco Williams if he leaves permanently.

5.) 10 Mar 2022 21:09:22
Spot on MK.

He will have a good career elsewhere just not at the elite level Liverpool are looking to operate at on a regular and consistent basis 👍👍👍.

6.) 10 Mar 2022 22:03:54
Nice post MK. Interesting read and it makes a good case for Nat ahead of Joe, certainly in the air. I’d still plump for Joe overall because he has greater utility, being able to cover the right back position.

7.) 11 Mar 2022 00:04:56
Who/ what/ where is the source for Gomez leaving this summer?

Ed0666 why will Philips sell for a pretty penny this summer?
Tried selling him twice now after his heroics in helping us get 3rd last year, for circa £12-15mil but no takers. What’s changed?

{Ed0666's Note - the fact that Bournemouth will want him to stay to spearhead their campaign back in the Premiership if they get promoted. I’d be astounded if he doesn't fetch more than 15 million and I’m sure there will be other suitors.

8.) 11 Mar 2022 07:56:17
And don’t forget Ben Davis. In an ideal world Fulham, Bournemouth and Sheffield United get promoted and we get dose for Neco, Nat and Mr Davis 👍.

9.) 11 Mar 2022 08:32:12
When fit Gomez and fully firing for me Gomez is by far VVD best partner. When playing together we hardly ever concede love to know games to goals concede with all Partnerships I bet Gomez and VVD is the best.

10.) 11 Mar 2022 10:21:08
It's an interesting take on Gomez. On one hand, the view is that he's not good enough for Liverpool any longer, but on the other hand there's an expectation that another club would pay £25m for him and that if he gets regular football he'll be pushing for an England place. Now, I know that van Dijk is the world's best, and Matip and Konate are also very good, but we only have to look at last season to know that you need at least four centre-halves who are capable of playing in the first team, so I wouldn't think we'd be rushing a £25m potential England centre half out of the door just to raise funds.

Of course, if Gomez wants to leave or if Klopp has lost confidence that Gomez can get back to the player that he appeared to be a couple of years ago, then that's different.

With Phillips gone and Williams not having shown anything to give any great reason to believe he'll make it at this level, selling Gomez would mean we'd need to buy another centre back of first team quality, or take the chance on van den Berg being our fourth choice, which would be high-risk.

11.) 11 Mar 2022 09:15:04
Thats tosh MK. I think you fail to understand both hummels and subotic were rapid back in there time along with subotic being exceptional at positioning.
Gomez has to keep fit that's his only issue. He is as clean a defender as they come. But he is consistently injured and that effects match sharpeness.

12.) 11 Mar 2022 12:32:47
Agree to disagree Akira. Football is subjective. Hummels has never been rapid though so that's a strange comment. Gomez is a good player and he'll have a good career in football at a high level but i simply don't think that will be at Liverpool. I believe that Van Dijk will play into his late 30's like Thiago Silva has, and i also believe Konate is ahead of Gomez already. So unless he sticks at it until 2024 and the new manager has a different philosophy which suits him, he's stuck at 4th choice which i don't think will suit his ambitions.

13.) 11 Mar 2022 12:41:31
Hummels has never been rapid.

14.) 11 Mar 2022 08:20:30
Bit optimistic there Ed! hope your right though.

{Ed0666's Note - 👍

15.) 11 Mar 2022 13:02:46
MK I all so totally disagree nobody tries to play through are team with long balls there all ways out wide and you all ways see VVD using his pace.

16.) 11 Mar 2022 13:34:17
People seem to be quick to forget how good joe Gomez is, lads not had much luck with injuries and game time but fully fit the lads very good and one of England’s best centre backs, not that says much. Feels a bit like folks on here are selling him down the river a bit.

17.) 11 Mar 2022 15:37:58
Don't think anyone is doubting Gomez but the reality is he's 4th choice and that's not going to change anytime soon unless 2 of our cbs get long-term injuries.

Klopp and our backroom staff have completely moved on from Gomez and now kounate is being groomed to take on from Matip instead of Gomez.

Unless Gomez is happy to warm the bench then I'm sure Klopp will have no problem him staying but if u think all of a sudden he's going to replace Matip and Kounate bar injuries then I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed.

18.) 12 Mar 2022 01:43:20
Gomez and van dijk were at one point an unstoppable partnership. Injuries got in joe's way. Matip stopped getting injured as much and konate has come in. Its tough competition. I actually think liverpool have the best depth at centre back out of any team. Gomez can play at cb lb and rb. Why anyone would want to see him go in baffling. If liverpool keep all 4 we are strong at cb for another 3 to 4 years and can use funds for other areas. Gomez might want to leave himself but if he stays fit there is game time for him at a club challenging for top honours.

{Ed0666's Note - Gosh I hope Joe stays.

19.) 12 Mar 2022 04:29:40
I did a piece which was made an article on here of areas of the team that could be improved, specifically citing positions at the time being held by Bobby, Gini and Gomez. They have either left or been displaced as I suggested and thought would occur. However what I did not think would happen was Joes place being taken by Matip. Now Matip is playing fine right now but he is getting on and still his absolute mares at times in the same way Joe does. He is better in the air but far slower so the choice between them longer term comes down to longevity or value. Personally given Joe is also homegrown I would prefer we kept Joe and let Matip move on, letting Konate and Joe battle it out to partner VVD. Joe still us great potential and whilst he may sell for a nice amount now I think it would be short sighted to ignore the potential future partnership of him and Konate when VVD hangs up his boots.

20.) 12 Mar 2022 08:42:55
I’d just like to add, that when JoeGo was in the 11 next to Virgil playing consistently there was not 1 call for him to be dropped.
He was far less divisive than Matip,

21.) 12 Mar 2022 15:38:49
Gomez to Villa to play with Mings and Konsa, with us buying someone top class to challenge for a first team spot. I fancy Kounde as he can play RB and in a 3 also.

20 Feb 2022 18:48:27
Eds,

Is Pedro Neto a player that would be on the radar of Liverpool this summer depending how he does in remaining months after coming back from his injury, and what happens with Salah, Mane and Firmino?

Wolves Player of Year last season and has incredible potential to kick on over next 18 months and beyond . . .

{Ed002's Note - No.}

1.) 21 Feb 2022 07:49:27
Jocks I think with VVD Ox Gomez I think we have enough players in are squad that have had long term injuries.

2.) 21 Feb 2022 13:49:06
Has VVD really had that much time injured? He had one big injury last year (thanks to "Englands No 1"! ) but I don't remember him missing much since he came back (other than Klopp resting him) .

Also, IIRC, Square Tomato indicated that Gomez's absence wasn't due to physical injury, albeit it did mean that he has missed a lot of time.

3.) 21 Feb 2022 13:55:35
Not sure why you think he would be when we have Diaz, Jota and Mane who play LW?

4.) 21 Feb 2022 20:25:20
Surprised no one has mentioned podence would suit Bobbys role perfectly.

31 Jan 2022 18:45:09
Eds,

Do you see Nat Philips returning in the summer to be the back up alongside Konate once Joe Gomez is sold or is that him likely away now ?

Will get game time for sure next season with VVD needing the occasional rest and Matip's body always capable of breaking down ( not this season touch wood ) .

Sadly if he does leave hopefully he gets the chance to get a send off in front of a packed Anfield for his fantastic performances last season in getting us into the CL which is vital to his we financially operate, it's the least he deserves .

{Ed0666's Note - this my friend is the million dollar question. I would replace him with Matip and keep Philips long term. But it’s anybody's guess as to what happens in the summer?

1.) 31 Jan 2022 19:03:18
Wish him all the best. Hope he can help Bournemouth to a league title.

2.) 31 Jan 2022 19:10:46
IMO Phillips will not return to LFC. I don’t think he is at Gomez level.

3.) 31 Jan 2022 19:19:11
Can see JoGo leaving next summer. He needs to be playing as much as his body allows.
I would get rid of Him, Neco and maybe even Matip and buy Kounde.

4.) 31 Jan 2022 19:48:21
Players always split fans opinions but for me the one that counts is the gaffers.

Last season despite having been at the club for however many years Klopp chose to start a kid with no pace in a high line ahead of him and not only that Fab and Hendo started ahead of him on numerous occasions.

Klopp admitted he got it wrong by playing Fab at the back and ill be honest Phillips did very well in the games he played there in our final 10 game run in.

For me i believe if Klopp believed he had it wrong with Phillips and he was ready to play regular first team at Liverpool then 1 he wouldn't have signed Konate and secondly he would have featured this season.

This isn't me bashing Phillips i'm just trying to read between the lines on what Klopp thinks of him.

5.) 31 Jan 2022 20:01:30
Klopp says he reminded him of himself as a player. Enough said. I do want Phillips to do well of course, I doubt very much it will be for Liverpool.

6.) 31 Jan 2022 20:36:32
Will always be grateful to Phillips for his contribution last season for top 4. He shed blood for us and got his nugget on many a dangerous ball into our box. YNWA.

{Ed025's Note - shed blood jonesy???, he sweated a bit and picked up a wage packet we can only dream about mate..

7.) 31 Jan 2022 20:44:50
I'm sure he had a Terry Butcher moment 025?

{Ed025's Note - i will take your word for that jonesy..

8.) 31 Jan 2022 20:46:55
I want to see Gomez sold for no other reason than someone called him "JoGo". Get rid.

{Ed025's Note - love it mate..

9.) 31 Jan 2022 20:57:16
Ive had a few IDA'S and think I may have jinxed Dan Burns move to NUfC 025 : (.

10.) 31 Jan 2022 21:01:51
Meant to read IPA's.

11.) 31 Jan 2022 21:37:13
Don't forget about Sepp van den Berg. He is killing it this season and can also cover right back. I would have Virgil, Konate, Matip and van den Berg as our centre backs next season, start intergrating Bajcetic into the first team, loan out Koumetio and sell Gomez and Phillips.

12.) 31 Jan 2022 22:11:56
Van Den Berg and Bajcetic look real players.

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04 Jun 2022 14:38:29

----------We are not going to get in to this - it just causes confusion ----------

1.) 04 Jun 2022 15:57:15
Immortal words my dad said to me on my sweet 16th when I asked him where babies came from.

2.) 05 Jun 2022 00:51:46
Was that before or after you spawned Salah, Aoe?

3.) 05 Jun 2022 08:39:13
After. Hence the confusion. Might be putting him up for adoption this season or next. We are a happy family.

02 Jun 2022 11:31:02
Eds,

Teams are often judged on performance on how they do against their budget ( total of annual net spend and wages ) .

How has Klopp compared against his rivals over the last few years on that basis as from the outside looking in he must be near if not too if that in terms of over achieving consistently every season which stresses how great the news was he extended by another 2 years .

{Ed001's Note - I am sorry, I have absolutely no idea about that.}

1.) 02 Jun 2022 13:50:46
I’m not 100% sure but reports online suggest out of the what’s classified as the top 6 (Us, Spurs, City, Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal) we have the 4th highest wage bill and then with regards to the last 5 years net spend we are 6th but you can then throw in teams like Villa, Everton and Newcastle who all have a reported bigger net spend than us. We have a 6 mill higher spend than Wolves and 3 mill more than West Ham.

2.) 02 Jun 2022 13:55:42
There's probably another way to look at it - the strike rate. If you look at Klopp (and recruitment team) over the past 6 years you have to say the strike rate has been better than most, if not the best in the PL.

Whilst things did not work out for Grujic, Karius and (debatable) Naby Keita, most Klopp signings have contributed to the progression over the last 6 seasons.

You could argue to include Klavan and Adrian in that but I think that would be harsh.

Some may also argue that Thiago hasn't delivered enough for us so far. On one hand, when he plays, we control games better and almost always win. We have not lost a PL game with Fab-Thiago in the side. However, on the other hand he has had his share of injury issues and critically the timing of those injuries have been really quite significant (he missed 3 of the 4 games against Chelsea, missed the home game vs City, the away game at Spurs and was clearly not 100% fit against Real Madrid) .

{Ed077's Note - how is Keita debatable as a bad signing. He is up there as one of the worst signings in the league since he joined. He was signed for first eleven starter money, and yet would struggle to even be the first choice backup for the CMs for me.

3.) 02 Jun 2022 13:54:26
Cheers Ed .

In terms of over achieving on the basis above Klopp must be top with him finishing always in top 3 last few seasons and winning trophies also .

Others potentially in the mix West Ham , Brighton, Leicester and Burnley (up till this season obviously) .

Worst must be Everton and Man Utd I would expect .

{Ed001's Note - I would expect you to be right, but it is difficult to be sure and a lot depends on how you judge it. I mean what value do you put per point gained?}

4.) 02 Jun 2022 14:16:55
Reporte 30m or higher for him, I would rip their arm off lol he has been terrible for the money paid.

We all thought we were getting this dynamic box to box midfielder who would chip in with lots of goals and assists - he's looked good in games but then often another injury, time out and regressed again, plays a few looks good in a game then another niggle injury and the cycle continues

I'd sell him and Ox, money would bring in someone decent that could challenge Hendo, Fab and Thiago for a starting birth. Say 30m for him and 15m for the Ox could get us someone solid alright couldn't it?

5.) 02 Jun 2022 14:36:51
Over the last 2 seasons Hendo has only played 11 more games than Thiago in the League and CL combined.

So on average Hendo is available for 5 and a half more games a season.

6.) 02 Jun 2022 15:42:36
Brentford. When you compare everything, they’ve probably had the best season.

7.) 02 Jun 2022 16:04:22
OP, Over he past 6 full seasons/ years, Klopp and his team have NOT finished lower than 4th with 3 CL finals to boot and winning the whole lot within that time period. There's your answer, IMO.

8.) 02 Jun 2022 14:34:52
Ed077 - I put debatable in there because people debate it. He’s definitely not the worst signing in PL history. I can name 50 worse signings for “starter money” - half of them by United LOL.

Naby’s been fit this season. That’s an improvement to start with. When he’s played he’s done ok without being a standout performer. Agree that he’s not lived up to his billing at all. He has contributed to the team this season.

{Ed077's Note - "one of the" & "since he joined". I didn't say definitely the worst. You guys can try to dress it up all you want but Keita has been a horrible signing. Been fit this season and done OK when playing. That's the gold standard for you guys? Really?

9.) 02 Jun 2022 17:39:11
I don’t think anyone, even our bitterest rivals, wouldn’t agree that Klopp is a brilliant manager, who has over achieved with resources available, and would want him at their own club. It’s not even a debate. Fact is though, no matter what metric you try find to prove that Klopp is the best, managers are judged on one thing only. Trophies. Mostly- league titles. If Klopp’s legacy is to live on, we need a couple more of those in the next 5 years.

10.) 02 Jun 2022 17:04:59
The only significant big money signing that's been a failure is Keita. And that was cheaper than the likes of Pogba, Maguire and Lukaku. Almost a Fred like for like. Klopp and the recruitment team have done a phenomenal job. Perhaps overpaid but they almost always got the right players. Players below 10 mil being a failure can be expected. At that price its always a gamble. City have paid Keita like money for a host of defenders one of which is suspended atm. As bad as Keita has been he has been a minimal part of winning 6 trophies. Certainly not 1 of the worst in the league.

11.) 02 Jun 2022 17:48:03
Keita is a flop. Don’t worry though, I am sure whoever collates the BBC’s Gossip page is a Man U fan, when we come so close to the quad, and the next week the headlines are that our rivals are all strengthening whilst Mane wants to leave, Salah wants to play for a prem rival, and LFC want to offer a new contract to Keita, all on the same day. Surely it’s trolling!

12.) 02 Jun 2022 18:20:46
Keita looks like a world beater when you compare him to Pogba 🤣🤣. Utd have had their pants pulled down twice by the same guy. Sold for £800,000 and purchased for £90 million and then leaves on a free 🤔.
So yeah, Keita has been pretty much a disaster but everything in perspective i say.

13.) 02 Jun 2022 21:11:48
Interesting that it looks like Naby is going to get his contract extended, given the disaster he apparently is according to many on here. Hmmm. What do we know?

14.) 02 Jun 2022 20:00:44
I agree with ed077, " KITE-A " should "FLY" away as far as possible from Anfield.

P. S. ed077 please make sure you always put two number sevens in your ed number, as if ye don't and put two zeros instead people will think it's me instead, i have no plans to undermine you. Thank You!

{Ed077's Note - actually there is already an Ed007, he's been on for years.

Also folks Utd making transfer howlers doesn't make Keita a good signing. He's one ofbthe most expensive players in your squad, and definetly the most expensive CM in your team yet doesn't warrant a regular spot on the bench let alone starting XI. And the team winning the trophies doesn't automatically make any transfer a success. For example: Phil Jones has won all the domestic trophies and a Europa league, but has been a bad signing for us.

01 Jun 2022 18:42:32
Surely Sadio Mane is not on £100k a week?

Must be at least £50k-£70k a week more than that going by his status and performance over the last 6 seasons ?

1.) 01 Jun 2022 19:01:15
I don’t think money is his main motivation. I think he’s driven by appreciation.

He went through a very bad spell last season and we as fans has a chance to back him or right him off.

Perhaps the over the hill calls were a factor in his deciding to leave.

Either way the guy has been a legend for me and he played a huge part in everything we have won in his time here.

2.) 01 Jun 2022 19:20:24
Think LFC didn't offer him any contract coz Diaz was he's replacement.

Just look at Salah how much driven he is by money that he has even forgotten how to play on the pitch 😝😝😂😂.

{Ed0666's Note - or he could be so damn tired due to the ridiculous and inhuman amount of football he’s played this season

3.) 01 Jun 2022 19:31:14
That is pretty consistently what he's reported at, so I'd imagine it's not too far off reality. I don't think he's renewed his contract since he arrived.

Salah was reportedly on "only" £80k when he arrived, but unlike Mane got a new deal at the end of his first season.

Now all top level football clubs have performance bonuses and clauses in their contracts, and Liverpool's are reportedly more incentivised than average, so whether that's his base amount, or what he ends up with on average, I dunno.

JK - Trying to blame fans for him leaving? You think Mane reads this website or something?

4.) 01 Jun 2022 19:40:19
Ultimately we move on. He’s done well for us and I wish him well. At least he’s not messed anyone about and been honest about it. He’s up there with some of the best who have represented the club. Let’s sell, move on, bring someone in.

5.) 01 Jun 2022 20:02:36
Sr yeah that’s exactly what I was implying. If any one particular fan is to blame for him leaving it would be you.

Mane was quoted as saying Something Red doesn’t half talk some boll##ks on my favourite LFC banter page 🤣.

In all seriousness mate I wasn’t implying posters on here were to blame as there’s a couple of LFC fans worldwide away from this platform and he was coming in for pelters all over during his bad spell. Add into the fact the club had him behind Salah in their priorities might have made him feel unappreciated.

It’s only my opinion and I have no inside knowledge and I’m not claiming too. But I don’t think any poster does on here and we can only all give an opinion.

6.) 01 Jun 2022 19:45:44
Maybe ed66 mate but then what abt Mane he played the same amount of games and yet had more urgency. Do you think Salah Can play at this level for next 2-3 yrs especially when he heavily relies on he's pace?

{Ed0666's Note - I never thought giving Salah a 4/5 year contract at 30 was the greatest idea in the world reeks of Ozil all over it. I said a few days ago this is not such a bad situation for us because if he runs down his contract we can see if he indeed is the player we think he is and not on form because of his tiredness or is he declining and we dodged a bullet by offering him a number contract? Yes ideally we’d like to get a big fee for him but if he wants a bosman he’s not breaking any laws and as long as he stays classy I will forever love the guy regardless of if he stays or indeed goes to a rival. The man has been absolutely sensational for us for 5 years please let’s not forget that.

7.) 01 Jun 2022 22:57:01
Summer off and a month off in November. If he's still here and not on the decline I reckon he does 25 league goals easy. He'll also be playing for a big signing on fee and wages.

8.) 01 Jun 2022 23:19:55
A 4/ 5 year contract should mean 4/ 5 years unless another party wants to offer another contract that is agreeable to everyone.
We can't just sell Salah or Keita because they've a year left on their contracts. If they want to leave, another clubs wants to sign them and pay a fee for them we might want to 'cash in'.
Otherwise we should stop moaning, pay the wages we agreed to and accept that we don't own players when we no longer pay them.

9.) 02 Jun 2022 03:53:13
Triple6 - I posted elsewhere that Mo scores 5 goals less in second half of season over his Liverpool career. Seems to be more of a trend as opposed to a one-off to me.

But otherwise I do agree that this is a good situation for us. Keep him, let him bet on himself because he has no option but to play as well as he can to earn his last big payday at whichever club he goes to in 2023.

31 May 2022 15:59:37
Eds,

Do we know how Salah's comments in the public eye from him and his agent over the last 6 months have went down in the dressing room given how his form has plummeted since AFCON.

If you talk the talk you need to walk the walk which he hasn't done, and the Madrid players clearly used this as one of their motivation tools for the final going by their comments .

With Mane rumoured to not be feeling the same love from the club, could the sale of Salah this summer be on the cards to allow someone like Bowen or Nkunu to arrive in less salary, less media comments but high output?

{Ed0666's Note - he wanted to avenge the loss of 2018 and he vocalized it what’s welding with that???

1.) 31 May 2022 17:13:21
IMO, People are paying too much attention to Salah's comments and it's becoming pretty boring now, IMO. RM players like Valverde said some crazy stuff too and didn't see the RM fans getting all scared of just words cos that's all they are, words. If Salah's words were that powerful to shift the balance of power in footie games, would we be where we are right now? Would we ever lose a game? Move on.

2.) 31 May 2022 17:29:11
More about him saying he feels he’s best in world in his position, body language when subbed, agent comments, high profile articles on him in International magazines to boost his profile and Commercial appeal all at same time asking to be paid on a par with the top players in world while form on the pitch doesn’t match that .

I’d be very surprised if some of the dressing room where not annoyed about that as often happy to put up with that when producing on the pitch but when not should focus on the football performances.

Naturally no player would say this publicly but will in private without a doubt.

{Ed077's Note - you're making Salah sound like Bendtner. Although it doesn't look/sound as good coming from his mouth but he is easily the best player in his position in the world and at least top 5 player overall.

3.) 31 May 2022 17:36:34
Do you think the Madrid players needed motivating before a CL final? He didn't have his best game but Salah was millimetres away from scoring a superb goal. If it had gone in who knows what would've happened and he would have backed up the talk.

4.) 31 May 2022 17:48:06
I don’t know if you can claim they definitely used it as motivation. Honestly we just lost a game of football, probably shaded it in terms of chances and it happens sometimes.

5.) 31 May 2022 18:16:45
It's been taken out of context and people everywhere have jumped on it. I saw the interview myself. Rio Ferdinand asked after the Villareal game "between Manchester City and Real Madrid, which team do you prefer to play in the final? ". And his reply was "I want to play Madrid, I have to be honest. City is a really tough team, we've played against them a few times this season, but if you asked me personally, I'd like to play Madrid. ". Peter Crouch then jumps in and ask "Payback? " He replied "We lost against them in the final, so hopefully we'll win it from them as well". And that was it. He didn't use the word revenge as has been universally quoted, even though some can construe it as such. For me it was just one professional athlete aiming to correct a loss, which is so much the norm in any professional sports. Now was this a show of arrogance and bravado as is being portrayed and commented on everywhere?

6.) 31 May 2022 19:13:39
Actually it was his tweet ‘we have a score to settle’ that started all the revenge talk. And he definitely hasn’t been a top 5 player so far in 2022.

7.) 31 May 2022 19:26:16
ArAY mate he wrote in he's SM the word 'revenge' Hendo was uncomfortable with he's answers in prematch. Despite Hendo tried to play it down Salah literally double downed it what he said.

Hence some pundits and fans In SM are all over Salah.

Henry said yesterday “I always say something, don’t talk before a final. Beat Real Madrid, then talk and say, ‘it was revenge and all of that’. When you talk before a final, you have to win it. ”.

8.) 31 May 2022 20:31:35
Who gives a shiny sh*te what that cheating French clob thinks? You're all dead right a player should never have confidence in himself.

9.) 31 May 2022 20:38:08
Ahhh, I wasn't aware of all this other stuff.

10.) 31 May 2022 20:58:26
There's a thin line btw confidence and arrogance.

It has nothing to do with Henry he's one of the many pundits who had their opinion on salah's big talk before CL

It's not like Hendo, Klopp, Elliott, mane and most of our players completely isolated with what Salah said they lacked confidence did they?

Hence Hendo was completely uncomfortable with Salah in he's prematch interview.

11.) 31 May 2022 21:33:05
In fairness Salah didn’t do anything differently to what many posters post.

We will win and the quadruple was in the bag for weeks according to some. Which I’m not saying there is anything wrong with. Posters massively backed us to do it and we’re happy to sing from the rooftops. Unfortunately it didn’t happen so now we have to have broad shoulders and take some of those S##t back.

12.) 31 May 2022 21:48:17
At the end of the day, I don’t care what anyone says, the best team didn’t win the champions league final. We had more shots, more corners, and more possession, the only difference was that there defenders didn’t lose concentration, whereas one of ours had one lapse of concentration that allowed them to score.

13.) 31 May 2022 22:02:09
It’s all a bunch of words that literally mean nothing in the end. RM didn’t need Salah’s words to be motivated to play a CL final. If they did then, they would have lost the game fir sure. I’m over it.

14.) 31 May 2022 23:53:04
Mo has been pretty brash in the media over the last year. multiple occasions talking about his contract, throwing Jurgen and the club under the bus in the public. I think the question is whether any of our eds with inside oil have an idea whether any of those have rubbed others in the dressing room the wrong way.

15.) 01 Jun 2022 12:30:23
That was exactly the question as I will be very surprised if the senior players are not happy re this but naturally won’t have vocalised this in public with so much to play for over the last few months of the season.

12 May 2022 13:47:06
Huge game coming up this weekend and will be huge for momentum if can beat Chelsea again at Wembley and lift the FA cup again after so many years .

It's the hardest country in the world to win trophies, so winning this would be huge .

In light of that I wonder if Klopp is giving any thought to -

1- Not starting Trent and playing Joe Gomez to solidify the RB position as a one off tactic with Fab's absence reducing the protection Trent normally receives from him and Hendo, who will likely play central now .

2- Not starting Mo after a run of form that is very average by his standards, looking mentally drained and under performing from his incredibly high levels pre AFCON.

Not saying Klopp will do either, in fact it's 99% certain he won't, but I wonder if this is being discussed among the coaching staff as possible tactics for this match .

1.) 12 May 2022 14:34:37
1. No
2. No.

2.) 12 May 2022 14:50:39
1. No chance
2. Very tiny possibility if Firmino hadn't been injured recently or if Jota was in better goalscoring form, but as is no chance.

3.) 12 May 2022 15:21:38
Chelsea will be without Kovacic and Liverpool without Fabinho. It’s even. I expect TT to nullify our full backs and we would look clueless upfront.

{Ed001's Note - how is it even? Fabinho is twice the player of your love child Kovacic.}

4.) 12 May 2022 15:41:50
The last time we played it did not look that way Ed01z Chelsea bosses our midfield pretty well.

{Ed001's Note - if you say so.}

5.) 12 May 2022 15:57:23
Is Kovacic as important to Chelsea as Fabinho is to Liverpool? Not at all. Even with Kovacic AND Kante possibly out, I still think no Fabinho hurts us more.

Fabinho is up there with VVD, TAA and Alisson as the only players in our squad who we would deeply miss in such a game (IMO of course) .

6.) 12 May 2022 16:30:10
Just coming back to this: The only possible way, other than an injury, I see Gomez starting is if Trent is moved into midfield. Which is also very unlikely.

I know Klopp has had him tuck in there at times this season, but it's an extra few steps to switch him fully to midfield, out of the blue, in an FA Cup Final. And I don't see it happening.

7.) 12 May 2022 17:22:55
Trent will never play in midfield while Klopp is manager.

8.) 12 May 2022 17:41:13
And rightly so, OMM.

9.) 12 May 2022 17:36:14
Chelsea have a far better midfield than us better legs and better technically. Watch them smother us with the press and and then play better football than us when we try and press them. In the game at the bridge both teams played an unbelievably high line and the pitch was so condensed I wonder if the same will happen on Saturday. If I was tuchel I’d play Werner havertz and pulisic who has made us look stupid many times. I hope kovacic and kante are out and tuchel is left with jorginho rlc saul and mount in midfield to likely play against what hendo Thiago and Jones/ keita/ milner? Clearly Elliot has lost the faith or is being very protected until next season as at the start of the season he was a starting midfielder and now he’s not getting in the squad. I expect konate to be in with Diaz mane and salah to start up top.

10.) 12 May 2022 18:59:50
Jezza I disagree with pretty much everything you just said. We are 3 points behind the leaders, won one trophy and in 2 finals yet Chelsea players made us look stupid.
Ridiculous comment.

11.) 12 May 2022 20:58:46
Chelsea totally out played our midfield in first half at the bridge. Go back and watch it. It may work in our favour Fabinho not playing as he’s been off the pace against the top midfields this season.

12.) 12 May 2022 18:21:50
And he’s back to being a Chelsea fan again, isn’t it Ed01?

13.) 12 May 2022 21:50:13
Tell you what, the rest of our team must be outstanding because I can't remember Chelsea winning.

Who are the top midfields? 2nd in the League, CL finalists, FA Cup finalists and League Cup winners. The ONLY team to play EVERY game possible this season. Like I said, the rest of our team must be world beaters.

{Ed014's Note - it amazes that Transition Time keeps on posting, who in there right mind keeps going somewhere where everyone knows you’re an utter arse. Bless him. 🤦‍♂️

14.) 12 May 2022 22:20:23
Chelsea and City and looked very ordinary first half of Villarreal game and yes rest of the team are world beaters.

15.) 12 May 2022 22:51:35
I really wouldn't be against playing firmino in the same position keita has been playing in lately.

16.) 13 May 2022 00:54:13
If we learned anything from our defensive crisis last season, it's that weakening another area of the pitch to prop up another is just a net negative for the team.

So I can't see that the coaches are discussing bringing in Joe as a makeweight for losing Fabinho. Rather I think they are just relieved that Hendo is fit and can play that position well and we'l stick with plan A.

I've been outspoken about Mo's performances for a long time, even since before AFCON. But he is a big game player and at this moment in time, it is still better to have him on the pitch than not.

17.) 13 May 2022 03:16:34
We have one player injured and we bring in a replacement for the best right back in world football, play our attacking false 9 link man who has been out for 2 - 3 weeks in central midfield and along the way have to listen to drivel from a converted Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, Chelsea, Man City, Chelsea, Man City …. fan displaying a lack of knowledge about football in general and the worth of Chelsea’s midfield in particular.

Can we all take a couple of deep breaths and get a grip.

We will start the Cup Final with our strongest line up available. I think it might be

Ali

Trent
Ibou
Virg
Robbo

Naby
Hendo
Thiago

Luis
Sadio
Mo

With

Something like Kelleher, Joe G, Joel, Tsimi, Curtis, Millie, Morton, Bobby and Diogo on the bench.

I think we will win it 2-1 or 3-1.

18.) 12 May 2022 22:56:45
In answer to your question Ed014, Paul Pogba, Old Trafford.

{Ed014's Note - now how did I forget him! 🤣🤣

19.) 13 May 2022 05:57:40
And Mr Maguire at the same venue - his manager even asked the fans not to boo him 😁😁.

{Ed014's Note - now I’m trying to think who in that team they actually like! 😂😂

20.) 13 May 2022 06:25:48
Who exactly are “these” everyone Ed014. The unknown usernames lol. They have no control over my life, my decisions or my opinions and honestly I couldn’t give two flying pigs about theirs as well. If people think the way you want them to think then there wouldn’t be more than 100 posters on this site.

{Ed014's Note - well obvs everyone but you, you’re in a world of your own.

No one suggested anyone had control over your life either, that’s you being a sensitive little soul despite pretending you’re not.

I also have zero interest in you thinking anything.

Keep up the good work though.

21.) 13 May 2022 08:08:57
There are few on this page who likes me and I like them as well. @JK23 is one such soul who like me and my post. So you got it wrong there. Barry in Louth, Ed025, East Midland Scouser, Mcgoveb. so there are a few who are okay with my opinions. If people hate each other based on their opinions then I feel sorry for them.

Have a good at to you too Ed.

{Ed014's Note - good on you fella

22.) 13 May 2022 09:07:07
It’s very interesting to me how fans are so different today than they were back before the premier league started.
Maybe it’s the intense media coverage, social media, computer game generation? I’m not sure.
I just remember going to Anfield in the 80s and supporting the boys. No other team had any players better than ours because our players wore the red of Liverpool and as such got my full and unwavering support.
These days a lot of fans seem happier when they are criticising their own players and bigging up other teams’ players. Baffling.

23.) 13 May 2022 09:16:36
Somebody call a Wham-bulance.

24.) 13 May 2022 10:46:16
WDW I’ve actually heard lots of fans cheering Maguire at old Trafford mate. Yes it’s the away fans but a cheers a cheer 🤣.

25.) 13 May 2022 20:25:45
Nice one @JK - made me laugh 😁👍.

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18 Apr 2022 10:35:45
Thanks Ed.

👍👍👍.

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17 Apr 2022 10:50:23
Young Calvin Ramsay at Aberdeen is highly rated up in Scotland and next Scottish full back in the pipeline coming through after Robertson, Tierney, Hickey and Patterson .

Would be great cover for Trent in a couple of years time if signed this summer but would need a bit of developing before then to get up to speed, could Hendo cover there if needed in short term with Gomez away this summer?

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10 Mar 2022 21:09:22
Spot on MK.

He will have a good career elsewhere just not at the elite level Liverpool are looking to operate at on a regular and consistent basis 👍👍👍.

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02 Jun 2022 13:54:26
Cheers Ed .

In terms of over achieving on the basis above Klopp must be top with him finishing always in top 3 last few seasons and winning trophies also .

Others potentially in the mix West Ham , Brighton, Leicester and Burnley (up till this season obviously) .

Worst must be Everton and Man Utd I would expect .

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01 Jun 2022 12:30:23
That was exactly the question as I will be very surprised if the senior players are not happy re this but naturally won’t have vocalised this in public with so much to play for over the last few months of the season.

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31 May 2022 17:29:11
More about him saying he feels he’s best in world in his position, body language when subbed, agent comments, high profile articles on him in International magazines to boost his profile and Commercial appeal all at same time asking to be paid on a par with the top players in world while form on the pitch doesn’t match that .

I’d be very surprised if some of the dressing room where not annoyed about that as often happy to put up with that when producing on the pitch but when not should focus on the football performances.

Naturally no player would say this publicly but will in private without a doubt.

{Ed077's Note - you're making Salah sound like Bendtner. Although it doesn't look/sound as good coming from his mouth but he is easily the best player in his position in the world and at least top 5 player overall.

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03 Apr 2022 09:32:19
The games are all tight ones because the forwards are not creating and then putting away chances to put games to bed and then give Klopp the opportunity to rest some key players legs in games with the intense run in coming up .

There’s no doubt at all the stats of some look excellent but if you look at where all 4 players above have been previously they are below that personal level currently and need to get back to that level in the same way the defensive boys are or we won’t add anymore silverware .

You notice after most games when the likes of Hendo or Robbo are interviewed on BT, Sky or LFC TV after the match they often highlight not putting teams away in games so it’s obviously being mentioned in the dressing room .

We are lucky to have such spectacular options in attack but will be surprised if Klopp in private alongside his coaches is ecstatic over how they are performing since the Leeds game despite the results being achieved, due to the form of Ali and those in front off him .

If the attackers can get back to what we know they are capable of there’s a special couple of months coming up .

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30 Mar 2022 22:51:26
Yes it’s going to be interesting who he goes for and as is always the case if don’t win Klopp will be questioned by all the social media experts .

Big run of matches now and hope we can get back to a higher level of performance like the Everton and Man U away and Leeds at home as stuttering to victory recently and that can’t last .

Great time for them all to hit their individual and collective levels . . . 👍👍👍.