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29 Jan 2024 10:02:05
For ED002 please:
Morning Ed. So I know I'm not alone speculating and trying to work out who we may get when Jurgen leaves and I know it's pointless as the club will do it's due diligence and I trust them to get it right ?
However, no harm in having a go so here's my opinion. I'd be interested in your thoughts
I personally think Xabi or ZZ.
Xabi for 2 reasons - his connection with the club and fans plus the amazing job he's doing at BL.
ZZ because I have vague memories of the club rumoured to have an interest previously and his pedigree.
But there's another out there that looks an interesting prospect, Ruben Amorin.
Apparently Pep is rumoured to have said he's the best out there, he has a win % of nearly 70% (appreciate this relates to Braga and Sporting CP) and he's only 39. He has a positive mindset, good energy, has a drive to win and a good style of play.
I have read that the club are rumoured to be willing to pay his €20m release clause as well.
Do you think he'll be in the framed and seriously considered?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Ruben Amorin (C) If the club, as you suggest, are possibly open to paying his "release clause", then matters are far more advanced than I know about. It seems unlikely to me and others would be better placed than him.}
1.) 29 Jan 2024 10:23:44
Thanks Ed
Have a good day.
{Ed002's Note - And you.}
2.) 29 Jan 2024 11:18:14
I really like ruben amorim he has achieved a lot in his short career he speaks english if he has a genuine desire to manage us i would be happy, he is going under the radar but could be a shrewd option.
3.) 29 Jan 2024 11:36:17
Xabi Alonso has to be the clear favourite. Not only is he doing brilliantly at Leverkusen challenging Bayern's supremacy but he's worked under some of the best coaches including Benitez, Mourinho, Ancelotti and Guardiola as a player. Him also having played for Liverpool for 5 years is the icing on the cake. He is one of us, understands the culture of the club, the city and the fan's desire for success.
Put a good structure around him and it's a no brainer.
Also, imagine what impact he could have on the careers of young players like Stefan Bajcetic.
Zidane? Not sure he has the appetite to immerse himself into the club, culture and city. This is a pre-requisite for any Liverpool manager. It always strikes me that he could only ever manage Real, Juventus or France.
4.) 29 Jan 2024 14:40:23
Zidane would be bottom of my list. Im surprised Nagelsmann doesn't get more of a mention but maybe that would depend on how successful Germany is this summer.
5.) 29 Jan 2024 17:40:01
Zz is a no go for me I just don’t see him working within the structure we have and could see fall outs .
6.) 30 Jan 2024 00:52:03
The club were going for ZZ way back in the 90’s along with the Brazilian Ronaldo ?
Ah those were the days….
7.) 30 Jan 2024 12:36:22
Alonso has been a manager for 18 months. He hasn't won anything yet, the season isn't over. He looks good in a league that usually only 1 team has a chance of winning.
26 Aug 2023 09:13:18
Morning Ed002 - long time since I posted so to start, thank you for all you do and for your patience with the never ending questions during the transfer window.
So at the risk of getting a short RTFP answer, what is the situation regarding our pursuit of Andre and Gravenbach? I've read somewhere very recently that we've bid for Andre at £27M but not seen anything to suggest we've bid for Gravenbach yet. I know Andre is more likely in January.
Secondly, in your considered opinion, which player or players the club are looking at do you think might we get this window?
Thank you - be gentle on your reply ?.
{Ed002's Note - It likely looks something like this:
Cheick Doucoure (DM/CB) Crystal Palace have told Monaco, who want him to replace Fofana, that he is not for sale. Only moved to Crystal Palace last summer convinced he would not get a move to PSG that he desired. Although they have added Ugarte, PSG are still looking for a versatile defensive oriented midfield player having decided Verratti can leave and CD is considered an option and was discussed during a meeting about another player.
Attractive to Atletico Madrid due to the Cotonou Agreement as an alternative to Amrabat for them. On the list of options for Liverpool but after adding Endo their priority must be a CM player. Has major language issues that need resolving in the coming months. Language certificate for England not yet issued and deferred by Crystal Palace until January 2024. Crystal Palace will not want to sell unless someone will pay well over the odds for him - perhaps £70M. Thuram seen as a potential replacement.}
Kalvin Phillips (DM) Do not rule out Manchester City letting Kalvin Phillips go as they have a replacement in mind to upgrade him. He has been offered around and Liverpool may well be keen - and he has large tongue sized ears. Aston Villa or West Ham may provide a wildcard option. The player will likely resist a move but Manchester City would be happy to let him move on. For me, it seems there is interest from Liverpool - but I remain rather surprised.
Andre Trindade (DM) Recommended to Liverpool as Fabinho cover a couple of years ago. Prior interest of Barcelona and Braga has gone. Fulham are keen to take him if the lose Palinha and Liverpool could potentially add him to their list of options - but there is a huge catch. Fluminense only own 80% of his rights and that would need to be resolved. They will also seek perhaps €40M including add ons.
January seems a far more likely time for a move as it is too late to replace him this summer with the transfer window closed, but Fluminense fear Sporting Lisbon will offer his release clause. Agent has spoken again to Fulham but they intend to hang on to Palhinha (although that is looking increasingly difficult), and he has discussed option for January with Chelsea but their need has passed.
Andre Trindade (DM) Recommended to Liverpool as Fabinho cover a couple of years ago. Prior interest of Barcelona and Braga has gone. Fulham are keen to take him if the lose Palinha and Liverpool could potentially add him to their list of options - but there is a huge catch.
Fluminense only own 80% of his rights and that would need to be resolved. They will also seek perhaps €40M including add ons. January seems a far more likely time for a move as it is too late to replace him this summer with the transfer window closed, but Fluminense fear Sporting Lisbon will offer his release clause. Agent has spoken again to Fulham but they intend to hang on to Palhinha, and he has discussed option for January with Chelsea but their need has passed.
Florentino (DM) Scouts continue to watch Benfica but they have no interest in selling Florentino Luis unless his buy out clause is met or nearly matched. Seen by Barcelona as a potential Busquets replacement, but, too expensive although they would look to include a player or two. Nottingham Forest interest will go nowhere. Borussia Dortmund and Liverpool spoke with his agent last summer.
Manchester City want to upgrade Kalvin Phillips and Florentino fits the bill. For Liverpool he would realistically be a Fabinho replacement but they are looking at others so can realistically be discounted. Bayern Munich may look to him. PSG were interested but have moved for Ugarte so they can be discounted. Napoli, Arsenal and Milan offer less likely options although with Tonali now departing Milan we may see an increase of interest in him but at nothing close to his buy out clause and they will want to include players.
Wildcard would be Bayern Munich but they have a much preferred option. His sale would also be dependent on buying a replacement and the one they have in mind is edging toward a move elsewhere. Chelsea interest has gone.
Khephren Thuram (DM/CM) Interest of Manchester United has returned but he is not first choice. Interest of Newcastle and Crystal Palace remains although I would discount Crystal Palace but I expect Newcastle to continue to push their project and make an offer after already holding discussions with Nice. RBL want him as a Laimer replacement and will push following initial discussions.
Liverpool asked Nice about his availability given that they looking to add a more DM player and he could become first choice, and they have met with his third-party representatives. If interest grows his price will rise and the club would sell given the emergence of Alexis Beka Beka and an impressive youngster in Reda Belahyane. Player wants PSG but they have no interest at this time - but his representative is pushing PSG and will encourage the player to wait out another year which will suit Nice.
Wildcard is Bayern Munich or Manchester City and another potential upgrade on Phillips. His representative has approached Chelsea in an attempt to have them move their interest from Manu Kone, but they are not keen to do that at this time but after losing out on Ugarte that may well change. Nice have met with both Milanese sides about the player. Right now the player will likely stay at nice and await the move he wants to PSG.
Sofyan Amrabat (DM/CM) Fiorentina were expecting to lose money on a sale but an excellent World Cup has changed that. Spurs contacted Fiorentina through a third party to take him as an Ndombele replacement in the summer, and Liverpool, Barcelona and Nice have had scouts watch him and have spoken with his representatives, but seemingly not Fiorentina yet.
His representatives walked out on a discussion with Liverpool due to something Klopp said in January and if they wish to revive interest they will need to resolve that, which seems unlikely. Fiorentina reported Barcelona for making a direct approach to Amrabat in January but they have patched things up and something may be possible.
Agent has spoken with Arsenal and Chelsea as well. The player says he wants to move to Barcelona or Atletico Madrid and I understand that Atletico Madrid are keen to strike a deal. Napoli consider him an option to replace SMS. West Ham give an unlikely option. A whatif answer may be PSG if they appoint Mr Mourinho as their new coach - but that never happened. A wildcard option will be Inter Milan who are looking to replace Brozovic and will guarantee a starting place for him. Manchester United offer a serious option.
Manu Kouadio Kone (CM/DM) Prior interest of Milan has gone. Newcastle did approach Borussia Muenchegladbach but they will resist a sale and try and agree a new deal, but Newcastle remain keen. RBL are keen to add Kone to replace Laimer. Bayern Munich are light on DM and CM and are looking to add Kone and Laimer in the summer. Borussia Dortmund see him as a potential Bellingham replacement. Chelsea interest will have gone.
Liverpool have spoken with his agents but not yet BM although the opportunity for nepotism exists for the club to exploit, so they should not be discounted - but it could alienate the Sporting Director from the supporters. Watched by a number of other Premier League sides including West Ham, Manchester United and Brighton. A wildcard maybe PSG or Wolves who are looking to replace Neves. A wildcard for Manchester City as well perhaps? Player wants Chelsea move but not being in the CL could influence him further. PSG may push and Liverpool could look to an offer. Asking price will by €60M including add ons.
Matheus Nunes (CM/DM) Liverpool have looked at the Wolves player but deem him too expensive at £50M. Do not rule out Manchester City letting Kalvin Phillips go and replacing him with Nunes.
Nicolo Barella (CM) Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid have had approaches turned away. Don't be surprised of a significant offer from PSG or a further approach from Real Madrid - but Inter don't wish to sell and would no doubt demand something towards €100M or so. Liverpool or Spurs may show an interest but Inter have not been approached by either although they have sent scouts - perhaps another Bellingham option for Liverpool.
The player does not wish to leave and is expected to sign a new contract. Long term interest of Chelsea went with the player wanting to stay in Italy. Wildcard may be an approach form Manchester United who have instructed a third party to enquire on their behalf or Arsenal, but I expect the player to stay where he is.
Piotr Zielinski (CM/AM) could be available in the summer but at 29 he may no longer be of interest to Liverpool - it could be a mistake or very short term solution only. Not interested in the Middle East so a new contract is possible.
Ryan Gravenberch (CM/DM/AM) Versatile midfield player who only joined Bayern Munich last summer and wasn't to be for sale, unless the Head Coach decides he can join the lengthy list of players now available as he looks towards a rebuild and with Brazzo Salihamidzic being sacked that has become more likely. I am not aware of any approach by Liverpool to Bayern Munich at this time, but that may change, and Team Mino are certainly not offering him around, but they have had enquiries from a number of clubs, including Manchester City.
The player is making demands about being a starter and game time and Bayern Munich have told Team Mino he can be sold. There is interest from Italy but that may not suit the player. The player has made it clear he would like his next move to be to Manchester United and they may provide an option if available. Liverpool will likely offer another option and will have spoken with his Agents. A wildcard maybe Juventus.
Eljif Elmas (CM) Napoli claimed earlier in the year that Klopp had made a direct approach to the player - Liverpool seemed to have now stepped back but I would not be surprised if the club look to him.
Federico Valverde (CM) Real Madrid are ideally not looking to sell the player, previously of interest to Bayern Munich, Liverpool and Manchester United, as they expect him to settle in as a regular as Modric and Kroos are coming to the end of their RM careers. That was explained to a PL club who enquired when discussing another player. Manchester City have sent scouts to look at him as they look to add to their Central Midfield options.
Liverpool interest could return after losing out on Bellingham but right now they seem to have other targets. Player does not want to move on but perhaps an option for Real Madrid to look into selling if they want to push for Mbappe - could well leave this summer if a sufficient offer is made.
Luka Sucic (CM/AM) There has been growing interest in the youngster with RBS fending off interest from Arsenal and Juventus by making it clear he is not for sale. This has not stopped the interest of Lazio who see the youngster as a Sergej Milinkovic-Savic replacement. Newcastle have spoken with RBS about the player and will make a bid. Milan have a declared interest but a move seems unlikely. RBS have said a number of other sides have sent scouts to watch him and this will include Liverpool, considering him as an alternative to Bellingham. The player has said he would like to play in Germany.
Jesper Lindstrom (AM/LW/RW) Eintracht Frankfurt have said that they are aware of scouts from many sides have watched the player last seas. These sides include Liverpool, perhaps looking for a replacement for Firmino, and Spurs. Newscastle will put an offer on the table. Juventus have been talking with his representatives and have a declared interest, but they are still cleansing the midfield. Arsenal have spoken with his agent after spotting him whilst scouting another player but they, like Brentford, can be dismissed. RBL may push but have preferred targets. Do not rule out an offer from Napoli.}
1.) 26 Aug 2023 10:43:35
Thanks Ed that’s great. Have a good weekend pal.
2.) 26 Aug 2023 10:57:49
Happy Saturday!
Thank you Ed. You are a legend.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Joey.}
3.) 26 Aug 2023 11:06:20
Thank you Ed - great response and I escaped the RTFP ?
Have a great weekend.
{Ed002's Note - And you.}
4.) 26 Aug 2023 11:19:52
Fairplay Ed!
5.) 26 Aug 2023 11:10:40
Mic drop by Ed there I'll start a timer and see how long it takes for someone to ask about one of the names on this list haha amazing post Ed thank you for all your work.
6.) 26 Aug 2023 12:03:58
OMG ed2, I am blown away by this response - we are very lucky to have your knowledge.
Thank you!
{Ed002's Note - Thanks and you are welcome.}
7.) 26 Aug 2023 12:35:59
Hopefully everyone will give Ed002 some peace now. No excuse for not searching for posts.
8.) 26 Aug 2023 12:44:47
Haven’t heard much of this Elmas fellow Napoli said klopp spoke to according to ed…. does have a familiar tapping up ring to it doesn’t it?
9.) 26 Aug 2023 14:05:20
Amazing stuff Ed.
First ones on me pal. Enjoy.
10.) 26 Aug 2023 14:08:30
Ed002. You have outlined my fears for many months. We could well end up with a threadbare defence.
All this could have been avoided with better planning. Especially with FSG keeping a firm grip on their purse.
{Ed002's Note - This only deals with the midfield. Liverpool do not have a threadbare defence.}
11.) 26 Aug 2023 14:41:06
Thank you ed02.
12.) 26 Aug 2023 15:10:47
Reason I visit this site right there. Ed02 is awesome.
13.) 26 Aug 2023 19:55:04
And breathe.
14.) 26 Aug 2023 22:25:50
Thank you so much.
15.) 27 Aug 2023 10:34:54
Liverpool has the biggest threadbare defender in the history of football.
16.) 27 Aug 2023 11:03:17
"FSG keep a firm grip on their purse". Where you people get this stuff from? I will never know.
17.) 27 Aug 2023 11:02:04
Ed02, I had to take about 3 breathes before finishing that transfer Thesis you just wrote there cos I ran out of breathe all 3 times trying to finish reading it.
Thanks for all you do, man.
Peace and Love.
30 Aug 2017 16:48:23
Hi Eds.
I've heard rumours that Pupco deal to Barcelona is done but won't. be announced until Friday when the Spanish window closes. The rumoured reasons are to try and prevent clubs hiking prices on the back of Pipco fee.
Have you heard same and do you think it' has any truth?
Ta Ed - great work.
{Ed002's Note - That is a perfectly reasonable thing to have heard and I know a nmber of people who are awfully well placed and share that view.}
1.) 30 Aug 2017 18:06:30
Thanks Ed, great work.
2.) 30 Aug 2017 18:19:15
A very shrewd move from all involved. Good luck to him. It he will have his hands full in a poor Barcelona side (compared to 3 years ago) .
I personally think we are doing great in the market this year. Just need a defender.
3.) 30 Aug 2017 18:20:59
Makes sense. FSG saying he'll still be here when the window closes, which he will. Then the Spanish one closes a day later. That's when he'll move.
4.) 30 Aug 2017 18:16:22
That does make sense. The main thing is that we actually get a replacement for Pipco.
5.) 30 Aug 2017 18:18:31
Ed002, jus told to clarify. So can we still sell a player after England's Thursday deadline of Spanish one closes a day later? Or is it that it would already be done by Thursday but wouldn't be announced til Friday?
{Ed002's Note - Players can be sold at any time, it is the registration of new players that the transfer window relates to. So on FRiday Liverpool could still sell Coutinho to Barcelona (if he hasn't already moved).}
6.) 30 Aug 2017 18:19:01
Would that make Thomas Lemar more likely than not? Surely not Coutiniho out and Ox in to replace, that's a big risk if so.
{Ed002's Note - I am not with you. It is unrelated to Lemar.}
7.) 30 Aug 2017 18:22:44
Exactly why we are spending so much on Lemar, vvd, keita and ox. Where in the neck did you think that mone6 had come from.
But technically we have swapped cou for ox and keita so far. Add vvd and Lemar and that's the best window we have ever had for me. And the best in the prem.
8.) 30 Aug 2017 18:30:55
Ed I understand you saying it's unrelated to Lemar, but if we see Lemar as a direct replacement for Coutinho surely they are related in some capacity? Correct me if I'm wrong just tryna see sense in all of this!
{Ed002's Note - You might want to get out of this "direct" replacement mind set. Interest in Lemar has been very recent and reasonably kneejerk particularly given the interested sides did not see value in the price that was being asked.}
9.) 30 Aug 2017 19:19:31
Thing is if we could figure this out then club officials from Europe's elite will figure this out too. And Monaco will for sure haggle hard and Liverpool will pay a club record fee for Lemar. Southampton will get top dollar for VVD too if that materialises.
The late Barcelona interest in Lemar is probably fake too. It's a lot of money for the 21 year old. Arsenal and other clubs didn't want to pay close to that amount. But he could be a real good addition if he settles well. Although can all these forwards fit in the team? Salah, Solanke, Lemar, Mane, Firminio, Lallana, Sturridge.
Good to have options I guess, but will this mean Lemar playing behind Firminio?
10.) 30 Aug 2017 19:52:24
Salah, Solanke, Lemar, Mane, Firminio, Lallana, Sturridge, AOC, Winaldum, Henderson, Can, Grujic and Milner into SIX spots. Of course it's a squad game, but there will be some unhappy players.
11.) 30 Aug 2017 22:06:16
If we're ambitious that is 38 league games plus another 20 or so cup games across all competitions, maybe more. It is easier to keep players happier across 60 games.
12.) 30 Aug 2017 22:01:51
Or hungry to impress ones.
24 Sep 2015 08:07:00
According to Graham Beecroft, TalkSh.te's Merseyside football correspondent, Rogers is gone. He understands the decision was made before the game last night and the only thing that will stop it happening now is if their No. 1 target (he thinks Ancelotti) says no.
Don't shoot the messenger. .
28 Jun 2015 14:16:52
Are there any clubs showing interest in taking a punt on Balo Ed?
{Ed001's Note - none that I know of.}
1.) 28 Jun 2015 17:58:12
Cheers Ed.
Does that mean we'll be stuck with him or pay him off/release him or however it works?
{Ed002's Note - No it doesn't mean that.}
2.) 28 Jun 2015 23:04:12
I heard of interest frob Trabzonspor
3.) 28 Jun 2015 23:20:43
Reading some fairly shady reports of Besiktas or Trabzonspor interest, think there's any truth eds?
{Ed002's Note - There has been some interest but I doubt it is the preferred solution right now.}
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13 Feb 2024 08:03:01
Morning Reds,
I'll be interested to see how Roony Bardghji performs tonight against City in the CL.
I think Ed002 named him a while back in a list of promising youngsters.
At 18yrs old he looks the real deal. Very comfortable on the ball, has an eye for a pass, speed and great footwork.
He'd the perfect replacement for Salah IMO.
1.) 13 Feb 2024 08:13:46
@OP - are you talking about Ben Doak?
{Ed001's Note - I would be surprised if he makes it with us. It looks like we have better already at the club.}
2.) 13 Feb 2024 09:43:59
And who is that Ed? Very curious. Any new name from youth team?
{Ed001's Note - Keiran Morrison. Actually has an end product unlike Doak. Physically miles behind Doak, but everything else looks better.}
3.) 13 Feb 2024 10:21:39
I must say I've been disappointed in what I seen of doak start of this season having seen glimpses of him in previous season i thought he looked great prospect and would've been pushing to start for us this season. V young yet tho, maybe his end product will improve with age. probably his physical strenght set him apart from his own age group growing and he well ahead of rest.
4.) 13 Feb 2024 09:59:57
Doak is massively disappointing. Drops a shoulder and beats his man with ease but then leaves me exasperated time and time again.
How has he got this far without working on his final ball? Or has something gone wrong since his move to us?
{Ed001's Note - it just doesn't seem to be clicking with him. Might just need time to settle into a team and relax a bit.}
5.) 13 Feb 2024 10:00:07
Another Northen Irish lad Ed. is he regarded as that good? just watching some highlights of him and your right he does look like he's physically further along and gets his head up. no knock on Doak he could still become very good!
{Ed001's Note - he is very highly regarded and can play a number of roles in the team.}
6.) 13 Feb 2024 10:01:43
Yes I did hear his name. The one who score a free kick few days ago right? Heard he is going to sign new contract and highly rated within youth team. Don't know he is playing as RW, thought he is more of an AM. Hoping he doesn't end up like the ManU Morrison.
{Ed001's Note - I don't know about the free kick sorry. He has played a number of positions from what I have seen.}
7.) 13 Feb 2024 10:23:20
Yes Ed that kid looks special, also trent kone Doherty looks a promising talent on the wing. Let's hope the new manager brings these new batch of youngsters into the 1st team.
{Ed001's Note - you are right, he looks good too.}
8.) 13 Feb 2024 11:03:26
Trey Nyoni is another one I would assume highly regarded in the youth team. I think he just join us last summer and already make it as a subs dew times already. It seems like our academy got good players coming through. Could save us a lot of money Ed.
{Ed001's Note - hopefully. If not it could make us a lot instead. Better still, both.}
9.) 13 Feb 2024 11:16:16
Since this post originally was about Roony, I’ll chop in since I follow the danish league. The guy are not playing week in week out for Copenhagen. He is slow. Probably the only things he has in common with salah is size and the fact he is left footed. Roony hasn’t evolved that much since joining Copenhagen as a 16 year old, I’ll say. He was primarily a substitution player then, and still are now. His club even buys players to start ahead of him every window. He is a very hyped player around the world, but I promise you, that you don’t want this guy at Liverpool. Over and out.
10.) 13 Feb 2024 13:14:18
in fairness Doak had a lot of end product at u18 level too, and people forget he's still young enough to be playing at that level this year too. Have to say i do like Morrison too though ever since i seen him make his u18 debut as a 15 year old. Another one of the many good players we have coming through. The next manager is spoiled for choice.
11.) 13 Feb 2024 18:23:11
Doak is a child, wtf are we talking about.
I can think of loads of academy players now and from the past who had "end-product" and we'd barely find them today on a google search.
To be fair I have no actual insight at all on these players, but know that time is specific to each player so we just never know who will develop and at what rate. Ruling academy players out at this age doesn't seem fair to me.
12.) 13 Feb 2024 18:26:01
Interesting to hear that (Doak) Ed01. From the little I’ve seen of him he looks to have a lot of raw talent and potential for a 17 year old. He looked like he needed to adopt a more heads up approach but thought that would be something the club would be working on.
13.) 13 Feb 2024 22:03:32
Exactly Faith, someone said above Doak is massively disappointing. He was 17 when playing for us this season for christs sake, a kid. i'd imagine the other 19 teams in the Prem would be quite happy to have him.
14.) 13 Feb 2024 22:49:07
Ed001, do you know if Jayden Danns and Lewis Koumas are highly regarded as well? They have been training with the first team a couple of times the last weeks. What do you think about those two, do you think they can make it at the club?
And Ed001, if you have the time, who do you think has the best chances to make it at Liverpool in the future of the current youth team players? (Except the ones who have already made their debuts)
Thanks in advance! Really appreciate your insights and opinions!
{Ed001's Note - when they are given a chance to train with the first team, it is as a reward for doing well. Koumas has been highly rated for a long time. I am not convinced either will make it with us, but it is very difficult to do that. I do think they will go on to have solid professional careers, but I just don't see that happening with Liverpool. Until they get a regular run of games in the adult game, it is impossible to be sure though. Some times young players just take a huge leap forward when given a chance.
Morrison and Kone-Doherty look the best bet to make it. You have to remember that at these ages players can still make huge improvements to their game and all-round technique. It is rare, but not unheard of for the ones who look miles off it to come back for a new season like a different person.}
15.) 14 Feb 2024 06:41:50
6 months ago Jones wasn't good enough. Lots of time for him to improve.
16.) 14 Feb 2024 11:03:34
Roony is a kid. He ain't fitting as a Salah replacement, not many are let alone an 18yo from the Danish league.
I've watched him a little and although his dribbling is really good, he's not quick enough for the PL in my opinion.
17.) 14 Feb 2024 11:22:49
Hate to be harsh on Doak but he just hasn't got it, I never felt swayed by the hype. Even in his compilation videos against lower skilled youth and reserve opponents, he lacks too much control and poise to convince me that he'll be a top level premier league forward.
18.) 14 Feb 2024 20:03:04
Whos he meant to be playing against at 16 or 17,lower skilled 1st team opponents? He was the dangerman in the 18's, got promoted the the 21's and was the dangerman there. Played for the 1st team then as a 17 year and though admittedly and understandably lacked composure at times he performed admirably and rarely failed to be able to beat his bigger, stronger more experienced opponent.
19.) 16 Feb 2024 00:21:46
Tough crowd, writing off a 17 year old.
19 Feb 2023 10:10:18
Great 3 points yesterday. It's starting to come together and the front 3 are going to be a handful the more they play together.
Quick question - what were the fans chanting continuously (I assume it was the Liverpool fans) - sounded like 'na na na na, na, na, na, na, hey hey hey, ? '
Couldn't make the last bit out.
1.) 19 Feb 2023 11:31:08
Any observable improvement is enough for me at the moment. We’ve been so useless in every facet of our play that i’ll take whatever I can get. Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that. At least we have something to believe in now, and a reason to bother watching. Took them long enough!
2.) 19 Feb 2023 19:28:24
AW, fully agree. We cannot complain that we are not winning yet moan about winning without style points. That’s just senseless thinking. Take the win and work on getting better. Did you see that a couple from the Klopp Out brigade have gone missing?
05 Feb 2023 09:43:45
Morning. One for the Ed's if they would oblige please.
Missed the game yesterday whilst at a wedding, not seen highlights or anything yet.
So, WTF happened yesterday, what is happening to our once invisible team and can we rescue anything this season? What needs to happen?
Obviously injuries aren't helping but why so many? Ageing midfield not helping but the way we are playing isn't the Liverpool way IMO. Is Pep having too much say on the training ground?
Lots of stuff bouncing round my head this morning. I feel empty. So any opinions from the respected and knowledgeable Editors, really would be appreciated.
{Ed033's Note - Ed001 provided a lengthy response on his opinion on what's up with the Liverpool team. It's temporarily pinned as the top post on the LFC discussions page
1.) 05 Feb 2023 10:06:48
Excellent - thank you.
2.) 05 Feb 2023 10:11:19
@goatherder, the problem is exactly that, the invisible team has emerge.
3.) 05 Feb 2023 11:10:55
The fact that Bajcetic and Naby Keita are in our strongest midfield. That tells you all you need to know about our problems mate.
It’s plain as day, people try to complicate it but it’s very simple. Transfers.
Look at United for instance, for years they needed a midfielder and a centre back. Constantly persisting with McTominay, Fred and Maguire. They finally sign Casemiro and Martinez and become instantly better, our problem is the midfield.
But as the years go on, from what started as One midfielder is now 3 midfielders. And in summer will need a Central Defender. So the more we ignore it, the worse we get.
We’ll finish 13th, sign a couple midfielders in summer and finish 4th. Play it off like a big achievement when we could’ve signed 2 nobodys in January and finished 4th anyway right now. The Clubs a mess.
23 Oct 2022 10:50:34
One for the Ed's if I may.
In your opinion, why do we seem to get more than our fair share of injuries? I know Klopp asks a lot of his teams in terms of a high intensity pressing game and I know the team have had a several seasons of it which is bound to take its toll, but do you think there's anything else contributing to it?
{Ed001's Note - it is the opposite, we are not playing a high intensity press right now and it dropped off last season too. That could well be a part of the problem, that they are not training with enough intensity, which then causes them to play with less intensity. Higher intensity makes them fitter and less prone to injury. We need to revert back to Klopp's high-intensity press and train for it, in my opinion.}
1.) 23 Oct 2022 12:23:43
To be fair we have always had our fair share of injuries, possibly last season was one of our best for not having injured players. If you go back the season before we were littered with injuries, no CBs and midfielders dropping like flies.
2.) 23 Oct 2022 12:09:47
Ed01, I remember once that Marco Reus was asked what it was like playing under Klopp when he first arrived at Dortmund and he said that training was SO intense that the actual games became a lot easier. If we are not able to even train intensely as is required due to the quick turnaround of games as well as an injury hit squad then, we should not expect different results.
{Ed001's Note - I don't think it is about the number of games any more, I think this is transitioning to the style of play that Pep Lijnders is recommending. That is imo why we are no longer as intense. I don't think it works and I just hope Klopp will see it soon.}
3.) 23 Oct 2022 13:15:16
It looks like we’re being outrun and outworked most games.
Could be we are mentally and physically exhausted from last season and coming back for pre season early to go to the far east.
Or perhaps the players are believing their own hype of being labelled the greatest ever club team last season when on the brink of the quadruple and they think they only have to turn up for 3 points.
Klopp wasn’t happy yesterday so he must be one of these emotional Middle Aged women fans as well.
4.) 23 Oct 2022 13:17:17
Why is pep Lijnders getting so much say suddenly? He said Jones is a better player than Pedri he got sacked at a dutch 2nd division team i don’t see why Klopp would listen to him?
5.) 23 Oct 2022 13:26:39
Ed on that point, what has Pep introduced exactly? Is he not letting us be as intense or press as high as we used to?
{Ed001's Note - he has a different idea of how to play and it is clearly not working.}
6.) 23 Oct 2022 13:29:07
I’m glad you have said that Ed. I’ve been banging on about the start of the change happening last season, despite the almost quad.
{Ed001's Note - we were all talking about it last season, but it had to be put in context of a shorter season meaning players were playing a condensed season with no chance to rest. Lots of games etc meant that the lack of intensity could simply have been an answer to that, a way of ensuring the players were still fresh for the run-in. However, this season there is going to be a break in the season, so they could have gone all out to begin it and then reset during the World Cup. As the intensity level is still so low, it can only be because this is the tactical plan Pep is bringing to the table. It appeared at the same time he stepped up and it is the way he was playing when he flopped as a head coach, so it has to be him.
I know Klopp is loyal, but sometimes you just have to be ruthless and that time for me is now. Pep needs to go. His ideas are utter cack. He is clearly in danger of disappearing up his own backside with this book as well. I would like to see a change and Klopp go back to what worked, rather than what is clearly not working.
The amount of people talking about the legs going, when there is absolutely no reason for any of these players to be finished in a high-intensity system, other than maybe Millie. Except that we all know Milner is fit as a butcher's dog and can run all day. No one else is too old. The only reason they are flagging fitness-wise has to be that the training is not hard enough on them. No player's legs should be going at 31, not unless they have suffered major injuries on a repeated basis. It has to be a lack of Pep's "intensity" that is the problem in training, as well as on the pitch. This squad should be at the perfect mix of fitness, experience and youthful enthusiasm.}
7.) 23 Oct 2022 14:17:24
Edd001 our finishing hasn't improved either. It's very dissapointing what we're witnessing and I don't think klopp thinks tactics have much to do with it when he's mentioning squads and others clubs which is further frustrating. Maybe he's really feeling the pressure whilst clubs such as arsenal are flying playing with more intensity.
I'm hoping this season is a season for learning for klopp and a ruthlessness is birthed.
Fabinho doesn't even look the same player. Something drastic has happened. You can say tactics or whatever else but surely klopp has to question why our biggest players are underperforming and look soo leggy.
{Ed001's Note - the problem is that all we hear in the media, from the morons they employ as pundits, and from the fans is that this is all down to not signing a midfielder in the summer. Utter nonsense. If we continue to play like this, so aimless and with so little intensity, it won't matter who is in midfield. This is not because Trent is out of form either, no matter how much people get on his back. Not one player is performing to their best. It has been going on too long for this to be just put down to a blip or lack of match sharpness at the start of the season. This squad should be up and running now and at it.
Klopp needs to remember that, for all he is part of a team of coaching staff, he is the head coach and he needs to make some decisions that some of his team are not going to like. I know he wants to delegate, but this is time to step up and take charge.}
8.) 23 Oct 2022 14:36:04
Are we allowed to say Ljinders out?
Appears like if he was made of chocolate, he would eat himself.
9.) 23 Oct 2022 14:50:53
good posts ed01. Half intensity is like no intensity. A quick note on yesterday's game: Nottingham Forrest played well, and were very deep. We lacked movement in creating space I thought.
10.) 23 Oct 2022 14:55:33
We don’t have the midfielders to play the high pressing game. Fabs can’t move, Thiago can't get back or stay fit and Hendo can’t play more than one intense game every 10 days. As we saw on Saturday the kids just aren’t ready at this level, they have no consistency.
11.) 23 Oct 2022 14:57:17
Pep has quite the backing amongst some posters to be our next manager ??♂️.
{Ed001's Note - I don't understand it, he has shown nothing to deserve the job. Gerrard had the right idea, go out and prove yourself, but it just proved he isn't up to it (yet anyway) either. In fact, right now Pep is showing he is someone who should be ruled out of the conversation for next manager when Klopp does call it a day.}
12.) 23 Oct 2022 15:15:39
We should be digging out Klopp more that his assistants. Klopp has made terrible decisions all season. He is having a complete shocker. The buck stops with the guy at the top.
13.) 23 Oct 2022 15:35:35
Edd001 it's strange how we sit back now. I can't even believe klopps allowed it. A team that is soo used to a style of play to alter it and the results also not going our way, that's destroying confidence too. Ots just such a tame approach from a manager who's never been known to be tame. I hope we go back to high intensity.
{Ed001's Note - it is hard to believe he doesn't see it.}
14.) 23 Oct 2022 16:22:06
Do you see Klopp potentially making some big changes tactically and in training when there is a break for the World Cup, Ed? I personally can't see him doing anything too drastic before then with 2 games a week.
{Ed001's Note - I hope so, you would have to think he must see these problems and be aware that change is needed.}
15.) 23 Oct 2022 16:39:27
Im not saying its not Pep to blame but are we not just guessing aswell? a lot of the poor play or decision making surely can't be just put down to a change in the training can it. Its not as if they would have previously been running around like lunatics in training abd now are turning up and having a few games of on the volley.
16.) 23 Oct 2022 16:43:51
To me ed1 we look burnt out as much mentally as physically. Even tho hendo, Bobby, fab etc not old they've a lot of hard running done for lfc. a high energy physical cm ready to start would I think give whole team a lift. A bit like diaz signing last jan, wouldn't cure everything but I think help a lot.
17.) 23 Oct 2022 16:54:25
Do you think the number of injuries is also impacting the intensity and quality of training? If we are having to utilise more and more u23s in match play scenarios in training, will this not drop levels?
Cheers.
{Ed001's Note - shouldn't do, they should be trying harder to impress.}
18.) 23 Oct 2022 17:15:33
I agree with what you say Ed001 in regards to Linders, however if it is his way of playing that is making the team noticably worse it needs to stop and JK needs to take control again. But what is worrying is JK seems to think its ok that we play this way or simply does not see it. He doesn't seem to want to change it. If he does not go back to how it was very soon we could find ourselves at the World Cup break with little to play for going in to the new year.
{Ed001's Note - that is the worrying thing.}
19.) 23 Oct 2022 18:22:32
Ed001, I thought you said we were pacing ourselves for later in the season. Is that no longer the case?
And do you really think that adding a quality midfielder wouldn't have improved us massively this season?
{Ed001's Note - I have already answered both of those questions in this thread.}
28 Jul 2019 09:08:18
That's Harvey Elliott in the bag ðŸ‘.
1.) 28 Jul 2019 09:25:10
What shirt number was he givern.
2.) 28 Jul 2019 09:45:25
Shirt number? He will be playing with the U-23's.
3.) 28 Jul 2019 09:42:03
Any idea if he's considered ready for first team appearances or one for the future? Hadn't heard much about him until we were linked with him.
{Ed025's Note - one for the future mate..
4.) 28 Jul 2019 10:00:42
His shirt said 67 I believe. Buying the shirt already?
5.) 28 Jul 2019 10:30:29
In the squad for today's game apparently.
6.) 28 Jul 2019 11:03:04
Lets hope he has a good future with the club!
7.) 28 Jul 2019 11:05:54
Cheers Ed, how are you? Don't know about you but I'm itching for the season to start, bored of this transfer lark.
{Ed025's Note - im good thanks RTID and like you itching for the season to start, bring on jeff stelling and the team and the footy coupons in the bookies i say mate..
The Goatherder's rumour replies
29 Jan 2024 10:23:44
Thanks Ed
Have a good day.
{Ed002's Note - And you.}
26 Aug 2023 11:06:20
Thank you Ed - great response and I escaped the RTFP ?
Have a great weekend.
{Ed002's Note - And you.}
30 Aug 2017 18:06:30
Thanks Ed, great work.
23 Jul 2017 10:00:43
And various Fleet Street rags have the same story. I'll believe it when it happens until then, can't be arsed reading anymore about it - done to death (to quote the Eds)
20 Jun 2017 14:33:42
Wearing Kiss Me Quick hats and enjoying a ride on the donkeys before heading to Harry Ramsdens for a chippy tear.
{Ed025's Note - why would he be riding lovren and klaven.. :)
The Goatherder's banter replies
05 Feb 2023 10:06:48
Excellent - thank you.
28 Jan 2022 15:04:46
You did Akira, I remember reading it and thinking 'what a load of horse rubbish' but credit to you mate.
You've set yourself up nicely for the suimmer window - no pressure lad.
22 Jul 2018 11:59:27
Cheers Ed, have a great day.
14 Jul 2018 22:00:40
That’s the best news i’ve heard in a long time.
Keep fighting Sean - YNWA.
30 Jul 2017 10:28:54
Yes, I have read the posts Ed, just an opinion I was after.
Maccas post several weeks ago saying he believed we we going to get Keita, surprised you didn't read that.
{Ed002's Note - If you had read what was posted you would not need to ask an opinion as it has been well and truly covered. I did not know that Macca had said that.}