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06 Jun 2019 11:08:05
This is literally a rumour. I'm just passing on so please don't shoot me!

Apparently Liverpool are very close to matching the asking price for Nicolas Pepe.

Probably total BS.

Plain Bread

1.) 06 Jun 2019 11:36:11
He looks a player but I do only see this happening if the club see Salah moving on sometime soon. Personally think it is nothing, more likely we will go after someone like Maxwel Cornet who's been mentioned by the eds. Time will tell, think we need a few more outs from squad / loan returns before we see ins start coming in.


2.) 06 Jun 2019 11:36:40
It has come from L'Equipe who my understanding is pretty reliable when it comes to news from France.

If he does sign i do find it hard to see where he will fit in the system tho.

80m euros for a bench player can not see us spending that unless someone is leaving or we change the system completely.


3.) 06 Jun 2019 11:38:11
Nah, no way mate. Ed’s has already said we are not looking to spend vast sums of money on any players who are deemed as back up. Front 3 pick themselves with Origi Brewster Shaqiri and Ox as back up.


4.) 06 Jun 2019 12:28:38
L'equipe not all that reliable.


5.) 06 Jun 2019 12:41:14
Yeah why would Liverpool target people who aren't good enough for the first team eh? if this season has proved anything its that the bench needs to be strong, so Salah having to leave or we will only buy if one of the front are leaving is bs, we need a squad capable of competing not just a team.


6.) 06 Jun 2019 12:43:57
my be he is seen as matching the front 3 we have and it is more off a rotation. with the others seen as back up, am sure with the league, champions league and the other cups there is enough games for all 4 to play. would only mean they would all not start about 9 league games each a season. And just because there not starting them games does not mean they won't play.


7.) 06 Jun 2019 13:01:10
It’s not bs Lancaster Red it’s reality mate and exactly were we are at. We won’t and can’t spend crazy money every window without players leaving.


8.) 06 Jun 2019 13:03:36
Man we won't sign any rotation or back up player for 80.000.000 €!


9.) 06 Jun 2019 13:14:50
The Firm on Twitter, yes THAT guy, is claiming we have made an offer of £68m.

Waiting on an Ed002 come back containing the words 'Bolton, 'kid', 'no contact'and 'fat'.

{Ed002's Note - Did the Fat Kid from Bolton tell you in which order De Ligt, Werner, Pepe, Dybala, Lemar and most of the Lyon team will be arriving this summer?}


10.) 06 Jun 2019 13:23:39
Nicolas Pepe is a quality attacking player, to challenge for top honours the club needs like for like replacements, this is why Man City are the best in the country, Sterling can be replaced by Sanè, Silva with Mahrez. Shaqiri and Origi are decent backup players but not top end, would we challenge for the Premier League if Manè or Salah were injured for 6 months?

{Ed002's Note - So Pepe will be signed to cover for Salah or Mane being injured for 6 months? Sane, Mahrez and others are looking to leave Manchester City for lack of game time.}


11.) 06 Jun 2019 13:27:35
The 80M price tag is eye popping, but I don't buy into all this stuff about the team not wanting to spend a little this summer.

Klopp wants to deploy a 4-2-3-1 long-term. It's how we were lining up quite a bit this past season but seemed to have and pulled off of that because we lacked depth off the bench in a lot of key positions in that lineup. There absolutely is room for Pepe in the squad though if the plan is indeed to line up that way. Salah plays in front of Firmino, and Pepe plays outside. It feels like Shaq may move on too, and be replaced with someone that can be more reliable on the press that will provide cover on the wings off the bench.

{Ed002's Note - If Klopp wants a 4-2-3-1 he has been buying the wrong players.}


12.) 06 Jun 2019 13:38:44
Can we leave this thread as it is please. Pèpè is not happening. The Fat kid from Bolton who ever he is is obviously talking BS yet again.

Let’s move on.


13.) 06 Jun 2019 13:39:37
Ed002, you forgot the words 'no contact'.

I lose track but, I think, so far he had only confirmed Lemar, Werner and De Ligt signing, in that order.

We all know it is BS until confirmed on here.


14.) 06 Jun 2019 14:08:37
Ed002, I respectfully disagree with that. I can't really figure out what he wants to do with Keita, but besides that he's targeted highly adaptable players that have the versatility to play many different ways in different positions and different formations. I believe we lined up in the 4-2-3-1 like 10 times last year and never lost a game, which was easily our second most common formation. Shaqiri's struggles in the press along with our limited depth in the attacking positions were a major weakness though, and we had to go back to the 4-3-3 after the new year otherwise those weaknesses would have caught up with us.

It seems like it's Klopp's goal to deploy the 4-2-3-1 the majority of the time once we have the lineup for it.


15.) 06 Jun 2019 15:12:29
*nonsense FM bull and abuse deleted*

{Ed001's Note - all you have done is post personal attacks against editors on the site. You are no longer welcome, take your clueless Football Manager nonsense somewhere else.}


16.) 06 Jun 2019 15:25:31
To compete with city you need options in the squad that can offer genuine competition for places. City have this and is why not only can they compete in all competitions but when you're struggling to break a Leicester city or West Ham team down you can bring on real game changers. Seems you can't win there's too many games for players to stay fit and compete but buying quality to help with the work load and compete for a starting place must mean someone's moving on. Sturridge is gone Moreno gone but we already have a left back but that position is ok tohabe cover for? I'd prefer klopp to look at investing in youth as cover but if the club bought quality to push the club on it's the logical next step. Rotation is an important part of football these days. So if they sign Pepe I wouldn't be surprised because there's champions league premier league fa cup league cup world club cup super cup and charity shield games to compete in. Having options is a good thing.


17.) 06 Jun 2019 16:27:48
Yes but that is what has happened with our squad. Klopp has bought players and this has made the squad try harder. No-one saw Wijnaldum being an integral part of our season. Same with Matip and Origi.


18.) 06 Jun 2019 17:43:36
Ed’s - do you think it’s possible we may buy an attacker and play Firmino as attacking midfielder?

{Ed001's Note - why would we move our most important player from his best position?}


19.) 06 Jun 2019 17:50:33
Football manager is very outdated anyway. Most teams have one system for attacking, one for transition and one for defending so the tactical shape can change a lot in one match yet in that game you pick one formation and win everything hmm ok 👍.


20.) 06 Jun 2019 20:26:31
" Our most important player" no where near the top 5. I know you say these things for responses but that is insulting to much better players than Firmino. He has only had one good season at LFC and in his worst season we won the champions league and Firmino didn't play in the semi finals or the final.

Firmino has been a passenger all season.

{Ed001's Note - I am not going to waste my time on such a clueless post as yours. You really do make the most idiotic posts in your attempts to disagree with everything I say. Either that or you are absolutely clueless about the game because he is the key to our play according to people who actually matter, such as the coaching staff at the club. You really are just trolling with your posts and I can't be arsed with you any more. You have obviously had to move on from your constant denigration of Henderson to find a new target for you to be an arse to. Just do us all a favour and don't bother. Just like when you constantly slagged off the captain, it just shows how little understanding of the game you actually have.}


21.) 06 Jun 2019 20:38:00
I think we need more goals from midfield. Not necessarily another forward.


22.) 06 Jun 2019 22:05:49
Idiotic comment mark I guess you never read the analytical article about how our players are picked to compliment each other and that most of salahs goals etc are because he plays with Bobby. Do you think it would be the same if we had Kane? Not at all.


23.) 06 Jun 2019 22:55:16
so you think Firmino and Henderson had good seasons?

Firmino was poor

Henderson was ok and then brilliant for the last 10 games. Commentator said when Henderson scored v Southampton welcome to the Party pal.

You just have biased opinions on players you like. If you think Firmino was a key player this season you are totally biased and deluded. He didn't play in our most important games.

Van Dyke
Robbo
Allison
Gini
Trent
Mane
Salah

Even Matip (the player you make jokes about) had a better season than Firmino. You suggested Firmino be dropped earlier in the season.
All these players over the season were better than Firmino and Hendo but you don't give Robbo for example anywhere near as much credit yet he had a far better season.


24.) 06 Jun 2019 22:59:48
I agree with 80% of what you say but when you make stupid statements like Firmino is our most important player of course I disagree because it is complete and utter crap.

You just never like to be wrong but that statement is false. We won the CL without Firmino we would not have won the cl without

Van Dyke
Mane
or Allison.


25.) 06 Jun 2019 23:07:55
Lercy that is just rubbish. Salah got 25 goals for Roma the season before he came? Mane, Salh Kane would get 15 extra goals IMO. Only LFC fans think otherwise. If Mane or Salah went to Barcelona or Madrid both would get 30 goals.


26.) 06 Jun 2019 23:58:38
Markp, a couple of weeks ago you were saying klopp should be sacked.

You need to relearn the game of soccer. Somewhere along the line you got lost.

{Ed001's Note - he is just a troll and I wouldn't waste my time on his moronic slagfests of Liverpool players. His posts should be treated as those of a 5 year old who has never seen a game of football as that is his level of understanding of it. He has clearly never learnt it and all he does is troll my comments with stupidity.}


27.) 07 Jun 2019 00:01:37
Flidby wjnuldum has been underrated at Liverpool always been a quality player since he has arrived. He was quality at Newcastle and think he won the Johan cruyff award they have in the Dutch league as well. Like with Henderson managers ask players to do specific jobs on the pitch which often means them sacrificing attacking instinct. Fabinho coming in has really released these players to be able to perform a more attacking role. He is a bit of an unsung hero this year as VVD and Alison getting all the defensive plaudits (and rightly so) . Matip was quality when he joined (for free) he's a good player has his wobbles but he's not as prone to howlers as lovren is. Gomez was excellent with vvd and if he makes a mistake he has the pace to recover. Anyway point is no surprise they've done well. Origi is a shocker I didn't see that coming but he has put in some decent performances and got some crucial goals. Lad deserves chance to prove himself. But I still believe as a squad we are short up top.


28.) 07 Jun 2019 00:22:47
"we would not have won the cl without "

How can you forget Origi , he took us to the final and then won it for us .

Beside that, I agree with you, Firmino did n't have a good season, for whatever reason, but you can't deny when he is fit and well lake last year, he can be a very good player, creative and hard working . Last year he made most of the space that Salah used to score his 30+ goals.


29.) 07 Jun 2019 06:25:01
Just because Firmino didn't have the best season, doesn't mean he's not our most important player. The space he creates, the defending from the front, the interaction with Mane and Salah, the unpredictability of his passing and movement.
He didn't play in our biggest games but i would suggest we would have stuffed Spurs by a greater margin if we had a fully fit Bobby playing the full 90.


30.) 07 Jun 2019 07:21:53
Its better to get a replacement in before any player leaves, Andy Carroll would have cost a lot less before Torres deal happened and I am sure Ajax would have stung us another 10m for Suarez if Torres had handed his transfer request in at the start of the window. Apart from Bobby the other 2 can play any of the front 3 positions so having Pepe allows Bobby and other a rest should they need one.


31.) 07 Jun 2019 08:22:51
And dzeko was the striker mark. Another one who’d compliment Salahs style of play.


32.) 07 Jun 2019 07:40:33
Thats bit of a insult to a 5 year old ed001 lol, mark only seem to go by players who score goals, and not the whole team, if you watch bobby closely you will see how he pulls defenders out to open up space for salah and mane, he the most unselfish player there is, that's why he don't get the praise he should.


33.) 07 Jun 2019 11:04:06
I thought Lemar had signed on the 1st of July last summer 🤔.


34.) 07 Jun 2019 11:06:30
Sure I've seen the asking price for Pepe closer to 40 than 80? i don't get why people are scared of Liverpool have strength in depth and rotating the squad. Boggles my mind.


35.) 07 Jun 2019 12:35:18
Markp08
Do you ever imagine that Klopp asks players to play a specific way for the benefit of the team? Do you think that Henderson might just have been deployed as a defensive midfielder for most of his games under klopp but was then asked to get in the box towards the end of the season? Do you think that firmino is asked to do a job too? Also I like the idea that any player in a team that scored 97 points lost 1 game and won the champions league had a bad season.


36.) 07 Jun 2019 13:11:23
This is amazing, i've never seen anyone say Bobby has been rubbish. The guys play opens up so much space for the others to get forwards, the only striker who plays like him is the one at wolves, You lose Bobby you lose a very integral part of the team for the style of football we play.

Not sure if you watch any of the games on tv or have ever been to Anfield but the guy is an absolute terror to defend against.

meh infact this is like talking to 6 year old man utd fan who says but he doesn't score more than blaaa blaaa.


37.) 07 Jun 2019 13:12:37
I said Klopp should be sacked - are you mad Davey? I think over the last few years he has been awesome and the signings have been the best in the world. Klopp is more important than any player.

When a player has a great season like Firmino 2017/ 18 I say brilliant well played. But when he has a poor season I say that as well. Not great, great, great when it's untrue.

I agree with that Roy

He just isn't the most important for me Virgil.
Allison
Van Dyke
Mane etc
all far more important but just my opinion.


38.) 07 Jun 2019 13:27:00
Salah, Mane and Firmino are Key Players wich means they are going to play all posible games.
Bench Players like Shaqiri, Origi and Sturridge will play only when is needed.
Nicolas Pepe won’t come here to play when is needed he will go to a club were he can play all posible games and you don’t spend 70~80m in a player who is not going to play all posible games better to save the money and give reserves or youth players the chance and if needed buy a cheap or low cost squad player.


39.) 07 Jun 2019 17:32:28
I have no qualms with anyone who thinks Firmino isn’t our most important player as I personally agree but some of the criticism of him seems harsh mark. Perhaps it’s down to the anger of going back and forward with the Ed’s but he’s still a great player and important to the team, even if we disagree if he’s the most or not.

For what it’s worth, I love him and I do believe when he’s on form, our front 3 click and are unstoppable. However we’ve shown a side of our game this season where if he doesn’t (and he wasn’t for a lot of periods), we have other players to step up. In doing so, we were able to win the CL.

In terms of importance, I agree VVD and Allison are the most important for me. Then it’s more debatable. my preference is salah, mane and the full backs (who are critical as they provide creativity that our midfield can lack at times) .

On the original point. I’d love Pepe! Think he would fit in well.


40.) 08 Jun 2019 00:03:27
Hendo had a long world cup. Tjats why he wasnt starting games at the start of the season. But when he started he was brilliant. I just don't understand the hendo haters.

He just lifted the European f#@#@#g Cup for god sake.


41.) 08 Jun 2019 00:13:29
And firmino is absolutely brilliant. He is one of the first n mes on the team sheet. Our CF didn't reach 20 goals but he got a few. But our style is different, football has changed. Its why our wingers are winning golden boots every year. He is irreplaceable. We just let DS go so i guess we need some more cover for the forwards.

But, klopp seems to like the 4231. And i think he sees that as our way to win the league. So we need another forward.

I just don't understand people who don't see how important Henderson and firmino are.

I also think salah has been a bit greedy this season (can't blame him after last season, everything he hit went in) and i think that is why firmino saw less of the ball in our counter attacks. Bobby should be the guy you pass to to recieve a return flick that puts you in on goal.


42.) 10 Jun 2019 01:20:31
People who don't rate firmino have very little real understanding. Those views can only be taken of someone who only ever watches the balls position for 90 mins. Bobby struggled for the period he played in the 10 role. It didn't suit him, he looked lost for a few weeks and some have only judged him on that. Mark you say he never played in the big important games as an example, rubbish. When he went off early against United we lost all of our attacking rhythm, Barcelona at the nou camp we played well until the final third without him playing. We couldn't create anything against Everton either in goalless draw. Our midfield got slated for the United and Everton games, firmino only played a handful of minutes and was a big reason we struggled. 1st half away to Porto we were awful. He came on HT and changed whole team performance, came on at Burnley got a goal and assist and turned the game, came on PSG and got late winner, he played poor in the final and looked unfit, a big reason I think we played badly. Barca, United, Everton. 3 big games he missed, 3 games we failed to score. He is a hugely important player and there's no doubt about that.


 

 

29 May 2019 19:19:51
Rumours about today that we've spoken to Nicolas Pepe's agent. Just passing on a rumour though! Work colleague mentioned he'd read it online somewhere. Seen his name on here so thought I'd share 🤷‍♂️ Ed002, is he the one you said would likely be a Salah replacement?

Plain Bread

1.) 29 May 2019 19:42:03
While I'd love us to have a 4th option of equal quality to play in attack, I doubt we'll sign anyone ready made. I think the way we;ll end up with a 4th attacking player of the right quality is if we sign someone young and develop them, or someone from the academy.

Fingers crossed that Rhian Brewster can realise and fulfil his potential.


2.) 29 May 2019 19:42:37
I read it also, Duncan castles the united fan journalists tweeted it.
Pepe is a top young player, I think a Pepe type signing might see the likes of Salah or Mane leave.


3.) 29 May 2019 19:52:45
No way were after Pèpè. Ed002 mentioned only way we go after ashore signing is if Mane or Salah leaves! Not happening.


4.) 29 May 2019 22:06:52
I don’t think pepes ready made, its really been his breakthrough season this year. If we want to complete on 4 fronts, like city do, like all top teams do, we need strength in depth. 4 players for 3 positions, 50 plus games a season, so that’s 150 starts a year. Say origi and shaqiri play half the amount each, that’s 30 starts a season for the four and 15 for origi and shaq, plus sub appearances. is that bad?


5.) 30 May 2019 06:25:07
Doesn't work like that Firmane, injuries are not something anyone can predict with any degree of accuracy. Whilst Origi and Shaqiri can no doubt deputise for a period of time imagine if, say, Salah or Mane were crocked for an extended period? I have faith that Origi and Shaqiri can perform in spells - but to be consistently as good as those? Probably not. The idea of signing someone to both push them, and give us another option, makes a lot of sense to me, though who that player would be I have no clue as a rarely watch any other football besides ourselves.


6.) 30 May 2019 08:13:17
Seano, my point was we do need another player of a certain quality, and even if we do not have any long term injuries, they can all play plenty.


7.) 30 May 2019 10:35:54
i cannot understand why we can't have Pepe in our side! if Klopp trusted Origi and Shaq to rotate with the front 3 he would have done more often last season.
clearly we need that type of talen to come in compete.
why do you think City won the domestic treble? their bench was thick with high quality talent.

{Ed002's Note - Why do you think Jesus, Sane and others want out of Manchester City? Why would Pepe move to sit on the bench at Liverpool with Werner, Depay and Dybala? Why are Liverpool interested in someone else?}


8.) 30 May 2019 11:47:38
we are interested in someone else because front 3 can get injured at any time.
we were lucky last season.
most LFC fans prefer Firmino over Origi. Yeah, Orig got us to the final but over 60 games, Origi won't score 15 + goals in the league.
thats why were are looking for someone else.


9.) 30 May 2019 12:09:32
Yeah but ed, Jesus sane and mahrez are three players who are higher quality than shaq and origi. All can score goals and would be fine slotting into citys front three.

Whilst I’m not saying it has to be Pepe, we can’t compete on all fronts with shaq and origi as our only options for the bench or as competition.

I completely respect your opinion and knowledge, but to me that view is very black and white, that they will either replace salah or mane or be reserve. Competition is good, and yes, whilst I’m sure they will still be in our best 11, it doesn’t mean that salah mane and Firmino have to start every game.

{Ed002's Note - Right, and I have explained where Liverpool have an interest in others.}


10.) 30 May 2019 12:13:53
Not that agree of disagree with the idea of having back up players of high calibre but people who say "player X would not want to sit on the bench" well that's exactly what most players (especially attackers) do at Madrid and Barcelona nearly every season. Hell we lost one of our star players because he would rather sit on the bench at Barcelona than be a first teamer at liverpool. Same thing happened with Owen at madrid. There are plenty of other examples at other clubs too. There are even examples at our club both past and present.

Throughout the 90s Milan had world class players sitting on the bench because their first team was packed with world class players.

Players are ok with being a bench warmer sometimes if they are confident of their ability they assume they will work their way into the team, and if you're really good that's exactly what happens. When you're not good enough or have the wrong mentality you remain back up or you leave.

Football has no guarantees and most professional players accept that, even truly great ones.


11.) 30 May 2019 14:29:57
Agreed, Man City have Sane and Jesus looking at their options because they'd like more play time. Whatever happens in that regard, they'll sell them for a lot more than they paid for them, so as far as City are concerned, they can just sell them and replace them.

If any of our front three wanted to leave, we'd sell them for a hell of a lot more than we paid for them. I obviously cannot predict the crazy inflation of football players' transfer fees, but if Pepe came in for £70m, it's very hard to see that figure really increasing if it didn't work out. Of course it could, but very hard to predict future transfer fees in one or two season's time.

{Ed002's Note - There are others in the same boat - Sane and Jesus were just examples.}


12.) 30 May 2019 18:47:02
Thanks for the reply Ed002. What I was mainly getting at, is that unless you sign a player towards the end of their career, you won't normally lose too much on them if they're not happy with they're play time, unless of course they do something stupid, like bite someone.


 

 

 

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20 Jun 2019 17:31:57
Ed002, normally wouldn't bother you with media speculation but we've been linked with Real Betis player Junior Firpo. He seems to fit the sort of player you have long recommended, and said we are interested in. He can cover left back, centre back and left midfield. 3 positions you've said we may look to sign players for. Do you know of the player and do you think he'd be a realistic and sensible signing if so?

Plain Bread

{Ed002's Note - Junior Firpo would cost circa €60M and is not a player to provide cover at Liverpool - the likes of Barcelona, Manchester City, Real Madrid and Napoli are looking to him. If Liverpool are looking to move Robinson on and have cash available, then it makes some sense. It is becoming a bit of a joke right now.}


1.) 20 Jun 2019 20:47:29
If we sold one of Robbo's shin pads we could afford this lad with money left over.


2.) 20 Jun 2019 22:38:59
Cheers Ed. Definitely not an option then. Didn't realise he was that highly rated as it looks like he only started 20 odd games last season. Appreciate your input.


 

 

12 Jun 2019 16:26:47
A good summer in my opinion would be:
Mignolet out, David Marshall in.
Lovren out, Diego Lloriente in.
Lallana out, Fekir in.
Sturridge out, Cornet in.

Lewis to cover left back.
Hoever to cover right back.
Brewster to cover the front 3.

Piece of cake 😂.

Plain Bread

{Ed002's Note - No Salah replacement then?}


1.) 12 Jun 2019 16:33:25
that's cruel ed.


2.) 12 Jun 2019 16:40:01
Lol you tease Ed002. Yo said you don’t expect him to leave mate. He isn’t going anywhere.


3.) 12 Jun 2019 16:43:25
no need ED002, Mane will step up to the plate in that regard.


4.) 12 Jun 2019 16:46:43
Plus Pepe, Dybala and Werner will fill the void.


5.) 12 Jun 2019 17:01:58
When he eventually leaves it'll be another Coutinho car crash.


6.) 12 Jun 2019 17:29:00
Lewis is nowhere near good enough.


7.) 12 Jun 2019 17:38:25
We currently have Hendo, Fabinho, Wiji, Milner, Ox, Keita, Shaqiri, and Lallana on the books - all fighting for 3 positions. I wouldn't expect any more midfielders to come in unless 3 of those leave. Even though I like Shaqiri and Keita, they aren't really Klopp type midfielders so I could see him moving them on (maybe a loan move for Keita? ), and Lallana isn't really good enough, in my opinion.

I can see Klopp looking to move on Lovren, simply because Gomez and Matip are better defenders, and they work well alongside VVD. He would need to bring in a replacement though, preferably someone experienced.

I would like to see Klopp bring in a Sturridge replacement, preferably someone similar to Bobby, who can play the false 9 role. As for a wide player, I am sure Klopp will be looking to add to Mané and Salah, rather than replace one of them.

A backup for Alisson will be needed if Migs leaves, but I'd be happy to keep Migs in the squad. Backup fullbacks are also needed, preferably experienced players.

I don't want to see Gomez, Milner or Hendo having to play fullback next season, we need adequate cover brought in to allow them to focus on their preferred positions. I would like us to bring in a box to box midfielder who can also provide a bit more creativity than the midfielders we currently have, but again that seems unlikely unless there are several midfield departures.


8.) 12 Jun 2019 17:38:30
Don't take things lightly. Mbappe is quoted today in the press as saying that he was staying put with PSG for next season. I see that (if it is true) as the main obstacle being removed for Salah to continue his pursuit of Real Madrid.


9.) 12 Jun 2019 18:40:52
ArAy1969, I believe the main obstacle would actually be Bale.


10.) 12 Jun 2019 19:42:24
I’ve said this 5 times already and will keep saying it - salah is going nowhere this summer! End of.


11.) 12 Jun 2019 20:52:06
Should have said it 6 times 1jj ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐.


12.) 12 Jun 2019 21:04:03
Ed2 you just bitter that your team Chelsea sold him an missed out on his talents?

{Ed002's Note - Try not to be a complete cretin. Firstly Liverpool fans used to have a sense of humour - it is clear that is degrading with with sponge life like you. Secondly, because of Real Madrid pushing for someone else, RAI has again been knocking on the door. maybe if you had half a brain you could ask an appropriate question rather than embarrass yourself. I try to explain things honestly but it is made difficult by the vegetables like you.}


13.) 12 Jun 2019 21:11:23
Why Marshall?


14.) 12 Jun 2019 21:25:06
Salah don't need replacing. He done ok this year. Let's give him one more chance next season and if he's trash let's ditch him and replace.


15.) 12 Jun 2019 21:21:23
Anyone else enjoy ed02’s adonis like good looks and retorts more than who we might sign, or is it just me? 🤣🤣.


16.) 12 Jun 2019 22:05:59
Ed’s second team is Liverpool 😉.

{Ed002's Note - Actually Greenock Morton.}


17.) 13 Jun 2019 01:05:15
Klopp sanctioned a £50 odd million payout and waited a year for Keita, but Keita isn't a Klopp type player?
The mind boggles, it really does.


18.) 12 Jun 2019 22:39:35
Does anyone else think that ed2 is ed25 on a bad day? lol chill eds, it's a joke!

also I think we're are putting too much stock into Hoever. He can't even train full-time and we talking about him covering fullback in the first team? c'mon lol let the kid grow up and be able to buy a beer first dang.

{Ed025's Note - i wish faith.. :)


19.) 13 Jun 2019 02:52:03
he is definitely a klopp player. if he stays injury free and starts the new season like he finished the last, the rest of the league won't know what's hit them.


20.) 13 Jun 2019 03:08:52
FlashTheRed Klopp likes his midfielders to work hard both on and off the ball. However, based on last season, Keita lacks energy and work rate off the ball, hence why Hendo, Wijnaldum, and Milner are selected ahead of him. Maybe it's an attitude thing, I don't know.

As talented as he is, the headache for Klopp is figuring out how he can incorporate him into his plans for next season without having to change the system. The same applies to Shaqiri, who was brilliant last season playing in the 10 role, but when Klopp switched back to his preferred 433 there there was nowhere for him to play. Neither of them have the quality of Hendo, Wiji, and Milner when it comes to pressing and working hard off the ball, so they won't often start ahead of those 3 players in the 433. So where do you play them in the 433? In the 4231 play either of them in the 10 role with license to roam, no problem, but in the 433, clearly Klopp prefers grafters.

It's a similar problem to Coutinho at Barce (and indeed for us in seasons gone by) . Coutinho is at his best when he plays in midfield, but because he has no defensive side to his game, he is often played out wide, which only hinders him from performing to the best of his ability. These types of players (i. e. those who aren't as effective off the ball), need to play in a system where they are not shackled to a demanding role. They need freedom to do their thing without having to worry too much about defending and pressing.

This is why Keita and Shaqiri, despite their qualities, aren't Klopp type players.


21.) 13 Jun 2019 05:07:55
Keita had no problems working hard on or off the ball at RBL - it was one of the reasons I liked him as a signing. I reckon its more a case that he hasn't been properly fit for most of the year as to why he hasn't been picked consistently eg every time he looked like he was going to get a run of games he got another injury. The concern for me is this run of soft tissue injuries could be an indication that he isn't fit enough to cope with the intensity of training - might need to put in some hard yards off the field (like Mane) if he wants to force his way in. No free handouts.


22.) 13 Jun 2019 06:38:37
Keita and Shaqiri are nothing like each other. Keita hasn’t settled 100% yet but I expect him to be very important next season.

I’m terms of transfers, all we need is
1) cover at FB
2) cover at GK if Migs goes
3) cover for the wingers, preferably someone who can also play attacking mid. Fekir perfect for me, but failing him is rather have a wide forward than an AM given we have OX and Keita

That’s it so far as I’m concerned unless someone leaves (eg. if Lovren goes for more game time)


23.) 13 Jun 2019 08:46:05
Ed02 u should eat veggies for food!


24.) 13 Jun 2019 11:24:56
I was comparing Shaqiri and Keita to our centre midfielders not to each other SGRed. I agree Phil, at RBL he looked a much better player, maybe he just needs to buy into Klopps philosophy, but right now, he doesn't seem ready for this level. Hopefully, he will prove me wrong this season.


25.) 15 Jun 2019 10:42:58
Keita has never been playing no.10 in his career so that holds no context. You say coutinho plays best in midfield, I think he's played his worst football in midfield, was always at his best for us from the wide left, and Barcelona have tried to fit him in midfield but he fails there regularly. Keita is perfect for a 3 man midfield, his worst form was in our 4231, he actually looked good late in season with that aggressive 3 man midfield.


 

 

29 May 2019 11:21:37
I was thinking this morning about Henderson's Liverpool career and how close we've come on multiple occasions with him in the side.

He was a part of the Dalglish team who won the 2012 League Cup. However he was also a major part of our runners up campaigns in the 2012 FA Cup, the 2014 Title challenge, the 2015 League Cup, the 2015 Europa League, the 2018 Champions League and now the 2019 Title challenge. He's played well over 300 games for us across 7 years at the club and it looks like there is more to come yet.

I just hope that come Sunday morning he has put his name into the debate for "legend" status and the last 7 years of being runner up are well and truly put to bed.

Plain Bread

1.) 29 May 2019 12:27:55
The club has done a good job managing his injury more so now that he is playing more attacking. great player and far better in this role than playing as a holding mid.


2.) 29 May 2019 13:06:26
Good post bread.

Henderson deserves to lift a big trophy for liverpool.

He had the massive task of following Gerrard's captaincy and then having to sacrafice his natural game to play the holding role. He always gives a 100% every time he crosses the line and he respects what it means to plays for liverpool.

Hes a proffessional in every sense of the word.

Im glad he's getting to show what he can do a bit further foward because he's showing a lot of the doubters he's had what a good footballer he is.

There's never been a bad player that has lifted the champions league trophy and if liverpool can win what i suspect will be a very entertaining final that certainly won't be the case with henderson either.

Just keeping the fingers crossed that liverpool hendo and klopp get over the line.


3.) 29 May 2019 15:21:40
Graham Souness, Kenny Daglish, Kevin Keegan, Alan Hansen are Liverpool legends but Henderson is not. Certainly a good player but all the cups you have mentioned he has finished up as runner up except for one trophy. Unfortunately losers are never remembered and when Henderson retires I don’t think he will take any pride in finishing runner up for those years!


4.) 29 May 2019 15:38:53
It tells me that he's a jinx and that he shouldn't be in the team.
Seriously though, I'd be most pleased for him and Milner should we win.


5.) 29 May 2019 17:57:10
Agree with your general point Pino35, but if Henderson lifts the European Cup as Liverpool captain he joins a very select group of players then.
And that elevates him to “legend” status imho.


6.) 29 May 2019 18:41:31
If and a big if, we win this champions league, win the league next year something Gerrard never did so he would be a legend 😂.


7.) 29 May 2019 18:58:26
I am with Wolverine
Henderson is a good player and a great guy.
Souness Daglish Rush Barnes Fowler Smith Dudek and Gerrard in my legends list.
There are a few of the current squad that could become legends VDV and TAA come to mind.


8.) 29 May 2019 20:51:13
By the rationale of winning trophies makes you a legend then djimi traore and Bernard Diomede are legends.

It's not just about what you win, lots of rubbish players win trophies. To be a in legend its about what you commit and sacrifice in pursuit of those trophies. It's about what kind of an influence on the team you are.

To measure status based on trophies isn't fair I don't think. Some players are just unlucky enough to play for a team during an unproductive period. I'd use le tissier as a good example.


9.) 29 May 2019 21:42:59
Don’t think that Traore or Diomede were Liverpool captains, Nevada.
That in itself is a special honour so any comparison with Hendo is utterly misplaced.


10.) 30 May 2019 09:36:17
Bloody well said, plain bread.

He will lift it on saturday, i know it. I can't wait to see it. And you are spot on: He then has legend status. They'll all be legends but Hendo is a true great of the modern game. People need to stop looking southwest at spain and thinking they have the best league in the world. Ours is the best. They have a two horse race, with the very occasional surprise. Then there' s 3/ 4 teams who can play but the rest are not at the level of our mid to top table teams.

Ive always been a massive Henderson fan and cannot fathom people who say he's average. He is one of the best midfielders the premier league has seen in the last few years. He played the holding role with stoic determination, never wandered off, never tried to roam forwards when it wasnt necessary. Now he has the freedom to get forward, he is such a clever player in and around that box. Him trent and salah are going to turn rose in circles, trust.
He fights until the last minute, never seen his head drop. Not once.

We're in the European Cup final and im not even nervous. Last season i was climbing the walls. Chelsea are a better team than arsenal. So, they beat them. Liverpool are a better side than spurs (by a bigger margin than arsenal/ Chelsea) and we're going to win.

Dont get me wrong before you all start saying "don't disrespect the opposition" I like spurs, as a team, the way they play. They have some wonderful players. Son and Ericson. Kane and vertongen. But, its not happening for em on saturday. We are going to outplay them for the whole game, win comfortably, score plenty of goals. Im going for 5 1 to us. When it was spurs and not ajax, i knew we were in the red kit.

Like someone has said, spurs rarely beat us. I know they're dangerous. They are going to try and get physical once they realise they can't outplay us. And that plays perfect for us, freekicks galore.

I reckon Van Dijke is going to get the opener.


 

 

26 May 2019 12:48:29
There was a debate on here yesterday about Firmino. The general consensus among those who want/ would replace him was that he didn't score enough goals. In their defence, he did only score 12 which looks fairly average on its own.

Well anyway I looked into it and Firmino may not score as many but he seems to have a penchant for influencing results with his goals/ assists.

Most points earned by goals/ assists; Salah (19), Firmino (14), Mane (13), Milner (8), Shaqiri (7), Robbo (6), Origi (4), Arnold (3), Keita (2), Virgil (2), Hendo (2), Wijnaldum (2), Sturridge (2).

Take it with a pinch of salt because goals/ assists are not the be all and end all. Alisson was probably worth as much points as Salah! Plus, this doesn't include things like opening goals or equalisers which can be game changing moments even if you go on to win by several goals. Still, I found it interesting!

Plain Bread

1.) 26 May 2019 13:03:54
Bobby firmino is a super star. No, he doesn't always score 25+ goals a season. But if you haven't worked out why he is klopps first choice then i can't really explain it to you. He is 3 players in 1.


2.) 26 May 2019 13:32:48
With all due respect, Plain Bread, statistics are not necessary. Just watch Firmino play and his contributions speak for themselves. Whether he scores 5 goals or 25 goals a season is irrelevant. First name on the team sheet for me.


3.) 26 May 2019 13:59:40
Agreed like a virgil. Along with big v he is the first name on the team sheet. The good news is we can still beat teams like Barcelona 4 0 without him. But he is such an asset. Strength, skill and vision. Not to mention work ethic. My favourite player. When he is playing between an in form mane and salah, some of the flicks and slide rule passes are incredible. Not many (if any) that i would swap him for.


4.) 26 May 2019 14:07:26
And with his defensive work I reckon he’s worth 1 or 2 less goals conceded. I wouldn’t swap him for the world, tailor made for the way we play.


5.) 26 May 2019 14:26:20
2 out of our 3 strikers score 20+ goals a season, don't think we need to worry if the other is contributing 10-15, regardless of everything else he brings to the team.


6.) 26 May 2019 15:07:31
Are you lot seriously saying Firmino is more important than Salah, Mane or Allison? Do me a favour.


7.) 26 May 2019 15:42:39
I don't know how anyone can criticize Bobby.


8.) 26 May 2019 16:37:15
Yes mark just as important or maybe even more as Firmino is the link man without him I don't think Salah or Mane would put up the numbers they do.


9.) 26 May 2019 17:02:54
Spot on george. that's it in a nutshell. They score so many coz bobby is working his socks off to win the ball back, get physical with a big centre back, play cute passes that create goals. And the occasional bit of genius or the odd Brazilian wonder goal.

And we're not talking about a lemon, this guy still gets double figures every season, scores with his eyes closed and is generally brilliant in europe.


10.) 26 May 2019 17:22:33
Glad to see more people recognising what Firmino brings to the TEAM! he's quality and by far imo the most important attacker we've got.


11.) 26 May 2019 17:27:08
Firmino is just as important if not more important in my opinion to what Klopp wants the players to do in attack. Anyone who can't see what he brings to the team clearly does not understand the way we play. Firmino may not be getting 20+ goals every season but he has consistently gotten 10-15 goals, important goals at that, he also creates the space and gives the assists to others in the team. We scored 89 goals this season in the PL, 5 more than last season, we clearly are doing something right in attack. Trust in Firmino, trust in Klopp.


12.) 26 May 2019 17:29:34
no one is counting how many goals Henderson or Wijnaldum scored from midfield. Bobby gives us so much more than just goals. A true world class footballer anybody who does not appreciate how good he is does not understand football at all. Any off the big teams in world football would be Knocking paisley gates down if they could have him. And he could easily score 20+ goals a season if he was more selfish like Mo but he is not that sort of player. the grass is not all ways greener.
YNWA.


13.) 26 May 2019 17:35:48
Look at Coutinho when he played alongside a selfless player in bobby compared to Coutinho now 👍.


14.) 26 May 2019 17:52:14
Great to see so much support for Bobby. I completely agree with most replies. It says it all for me that Bobby's best assets aren't even related to his goalscoring, and yet he still scored so many crucial, point earning goals!


15.) 26 May 2019 18:39:22
This is absolutely ott on Firmino.

Everyone on this thread is saying Firmino is more important that Salah or Mane.

If Firmino had started v Barcelona instead of Mane IMO we would not have qualified. Salah went off in the final look what happened. If Salah and Mane play they still score brilliant goals and win games when Firmino doesn't play. Firmino had a poor season but LFC had a very very good season.

The only thing I agree with is when Firmino plays well he makes the team better that is a fact. But he didn't play well very often this season and to claim he is more important than Salah or Mane is crazy.

In the final would you choose
Mane Salah of course 100%
Firmino and Mane as last year
or Salah Firmino.


16.) 26 May 2019 19:26:27
Mark mate,
I think Bobby pulls the team together. more so when he plays well. he is the engine in this team.
Mo. And Mane have been great this year, and I agree Bobby hasn’t been at his best.
Imagine what they can do when they are all on fire?


17.) 26 May 2019 19:51:07
Ask Klopp what he thinks about Bobby!

When Bobby is fit Bobby plays.


18.) 26 May 2019 20:10:26
When I look back at the season, one game that stands out was the United draw at OT. After 20 mins I thought we were going to smash them. When Bobby went off, we lost our way. Most important attacker hands down for me.


19.) 26 May 2019 20:12:40
Mark, you make some good points. But I think hands down we play our best when Bobby is on it.


20.) 26 May 2019 21:10:59
I agree with that Redf when Bobby is on it like many games in 2017/ 18 he made the team play better. But he hardly ever reached that level this season and the team was better.

Tommy I am certain if Klopp had to leave out one of the 3 in the final it would be Bobby.

Phooey - I can't wait to see that. All playing well at the same time, we would clean up.


21.) 26 May 2019 22:47:37
Mark, for me there's no doubt we played better attacking wise season before last and Bobby had a much better year too. This year we were much more solid defensively. I'd like to see us combine the two next year.


22.) 26 May 2019 23:29:44
I wouldn’t replace any of our front three with anyone in the world, all 3 are amazing in their own right but they are made even greater by the telepathic relationship they seem to have, they are greater than the sum of their parts.
Only replace if one wants to leave.


23.) 27 May 2019 01:42:32
I think it's bad judgement when people call bobby poor this season. Even in his quieter games he offers much more than many notice if watching on tv. He drags players out of positions and stretches defences. He's very smart and selfless in creating spaces. When we played 4231 he was a little lost in that no.10 role. When he's played at centre of our front 3 he's been as excellent as always. I remember that United game we lost all our fluidity when he went off, he came on HT when we were losing to Burnley and turned the game, same with PSG start of season. Went a goal down to arsenal and he grabbed the game by the horns with his hat trick. His impact to each gane deserves more appreciation.


24.) 27 May 2019 10:15:11
Please don't shoot me down. I love firmino and his ball retention is first class. I do notice when deep with the ball he sometimes dithers and we lose possession more with him.


25.) 27 May 2019 22:53:48
Bobby has scored some MASSIVE goals this season he is AS important as mane and salah, no doubt what so ever.

You can't say what would've happened had bobby played at anfield against barca. No one will ever know. But i know i hope he's ready for the final.


 

 

25 May 2019 08:25:20
1 week to go. In the immortal words of Samuel L. Jackson, "Hold on to your butts".

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1.) 25 May 2019 11:23:26
Jackson is seriously misguided. Much more preferable if someone else (a "she" in most cases) does the holding.


 

 

 

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19 Jun 2019 14:03:46
People keep coming out with all these midfielders we have but if we want to go to the next level we need to be ruthless.

We have 3 attacking midfielders. Keita, Lallana and Ox. The only one who has proven he is good enough is Ox, and none of them have proven they can be relied on 30 games a season. If there is a chance to sign a player with 32 goals and 18 assists from midfield, you don't turn them down to remain loyal to players who had little to no impact over the last 12 month's.

Milner, Henderson, Gini and Fabinho are our only midfielders who earned their salaries last season and they're all better as box to box / holding midfielders.

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To be fair, we did give saints about £80m For Lallana, Lambert, Clyne and Lovren so they probably don't mind us shopping there!

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Cheers for sharing lerchy.

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If Everton had Van Dijk they wouldn't need to build a new stadium. He could just carry Goodison down to the docks.

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Jurgen Plopp, obviously. OP is clearly talking about his PES team. They don't pay to use the proper names.

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Cheers Ed. Definitely not an option then. Didn't realise he was that highly rated as it looks like he only started 20 odd games last season. Appreciate your input.

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19 Jun 2019 11:13:37
I would go as far to say our reliance on the front 3 has been shared across the squad.

The sheer number assists that came from our wing backs was staggering. Throw in Virgil, Milner, Shaqiri, Origi, Sturridge and Gini who all got between 5-7 goals. It didn't even matter that Salah got about 20 less or that Bobby got 10 less. We still scored more in the league than the year before as a team. We scored 20 less in all comps but that was heavily down to the two 7-0 wins we picked up in an easy group which we did not have the luxury of this season.

Onwards and upwards I say 👍 if we add a proper midfield goalscorer like Fekir or Fernandes there could be demolitions next year.

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19 Jun 2019 11:06:20
The 3 full seasons under Klopp have been very successful in the transfer market. There just seems to be 3 great signings every year.

First was Mane, Gini and Matip.

Second was Robbo, Salah and Ox.

Third was Virgil, Fab and Alisson.

All 9 of those guys went on to be regulars. Even guys like Manninger, Klavan, Shaqiri etc have all served a purpose too. Only bad signings Klopp has made from memory are Keita, Caulker and Karius. Keita still has a very good chance to turn it around though if he stays and fights for it.

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