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10 Nov 2019 10:29:17
I keep seeing all this talk of Mbappe and sancho signing in the summer but let’s be realistic, Mbappe would cost over £300m including his astronomical wages and Sancho has recently signed a £190,000 per week long term contract. The player we should be looking at and I’m hoping we are is James Maddison. The more I watch him, the more I’m convinced he would be perfect for our team. I’d go as far as to say he’s been the best attacking midfielder in the league over the past 12 months. He wouldn’t be cheap either but I’m assuming his price and wages would be a lot more affordable than mbappe and sancho.

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about any of these players joining Liverpool.}


1.) 10 Nov 2019 10:57:12
I'm not sure the Maddison thing will happen either, we had the chance to get him from Norwich for sub £20 million.


2.) 10 Nov 2019 13:14:23
Hi mate I agree, Maddison would be an excellent signing.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have no interest in him.}


3.) 10 Nov 2019 14:14:55
If Leicester get top 4, it would be incredibly foolish of Maddison to leave in the summer. For his sake, I hope he stays there instead of ruining his career by going to the talent killers in Man Utd or Arsenal.

{Ed025's Note - dont kid yourself IB ....its all about the money mate..


4.) 10 Nov 2019 16:08:43
Ed025 then that rules out everton lol.

{Ed025's Note - we have money liverbird.....its savvy we dont have mate..


5.) 11 Nov 2019 07:46:15
If savvy is quoted at about £50m im sure everton would put a bid in, Ed025 mate!

{Ed025's Note - you need to pay a lot more than that KK..


 

 

25 Oct 2019 13:47:42
So, now that Liverpool and Nike have officially won in court, can the Ed’s clear up if this will have any affect on transfers over the coming seasons? Will this deal allow Liverpool to attract bigger stars or afford bigger wages etc?

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - It is unrelated to transfers but will provide additional income for the business. That may be used with other income to buy players, but perhaps not the half a Billion pounds worth of rotation players the fans seem certain are en route.}


1.) 25 Oct 2019 15:08:12
Soo your telling me we won’t get Mbappe, Sancho, havertz 2020.


2.) 25 Oct 2019 16:49:11
What do you mean, Southern, we've already signed those players for the next window. The Nike money is for their replacements in June.


3.) 25 Oct 2019 19:10:05
Great deal for the club another masterstroke from the owners and their staff. Running well on and off the field.

Enables Liverpool have better buying power.

Nothing wrong with enthusiasm don't let anyone dampen it.


4.) 25 Oct 2019 19:19:24
Read between the lines mate, ed said not half a billion, so it must be more! Mbappe Sancho haivertz is just the start!


5.) 25 Oct 2019 20:07:44
I've just seen BT Sports made a post. A picture of Mbappe in a Liverpool shirt with 2020 underneath it.
As if we're going to get Mbappe.


6.) 26 Oct 2019 08:13:26
Mbappe will be in the stands on Sunday.


7.) 26 Oct 2019 20:21:51
Not for one minute saying this is going to happen (maybe against the ffp rules now), but didn't a deal nearly come off for Messi to Chelsea with the shirt sponsor's paying a percentage of the fee?


8.) 27 Oct 2019 01:05:57
I mentioned that Nike would be the new kit supplier back in December, the deal with Nike is an excellent one and we are in safe hands, it should significantly boost the clubs revenue if their ideas take off, think NY Yankees and Air Jordan.


9.) 27 Oct 2019 20:14:08
Mbappe is Done. But I think we might need to sell Sadio Mane if we want Roger Federer.


10.) 01 Nov 2019 07:49:03
sure there's a joke in there somewhere about him hitting the net.


 

 

17 Jul 2019 00:44:54
The coutinho rumours don’t seem to be going away and seem to be gaining traction on social media and with various media outlets.

This isn’t a question of would you have him back or if he fits the system, I’m just curious if there has been any contact at all between Liverpool and Barcelona or coutinho’s agent?

JK_RED

1.) 17 Jul 2019 06:19:21
There will always be rumours when gullible people are willing to believe them.


2.) 17 Jul 2019 08:24:20
Would definitely have him back, we're looking a creative versatile attacking mid. he knows how we play, he knows the system, knows the club. He made mistakes in how he left, not that he did leave, that was his dream to play for Barca, fair enough. You live and learn. To have those goals back, and the assists he'd get playing with our front 3. We'd soon forget and forgive
HOWEVER, do I think he will come back, not even the slightest chance.

{Ed001's Note - we've changed the way we play since he went, so he doesn't. People make up ridiculous reasons to want him back.}


3.) 17 Jul 2019 08:31:10
I'm curious now to be fair. Have the Ed's or anyone heard of any actual contact between us and Barcelona over a potential move back?


4.) 17 Jul 2019 08:43:36
I don't think Barcelona will loan him when there is a chance to sell him and as it seems they need cash desperately. It doesn't make sense a loan move unless we are actually interested and Coutinho makes it clear that he will not move anywhere elese but Liverpool.


5.) 17 Jul 2019 10:14:48
So just to relay what I have heard the apparent 2 year loan with an 88mil option to but is basically a way for Barcelona to cut their losses and not have to pay us any kore money for Phil because they still owe us. you guessed it 88mil from the original deal the loan is a good way of protecting them selves from any added bonuses the would have to pay should he stay at them and they have any success. As for coming back he’s a very overrated player but he did do a lot at us with a lot of pressure on his shoulders I for one think he would do a great job in our midfield add some goals and play without pressure knowing he doesn’t need to carry us. If he does go missing from time to time wich he did we are more than capable of allowing for that in game with the rest of the quality we have.


6.) 17 Jul 2019 10:27:08
Coutinho will NOT be coming back to Liverpool this window. Sorry. I’m not ITK I just know. Would represent terrible business for the club depending on what we’ve already received from Barca. Can’t see Edwards pushing this one. I’d let it go lads. As Ed says our system doesn’t suit him anymore. He’d have to seriously adapt and I don’t think it’s in his locker. I reckon he’ll end up at PSG as part of the Neymar deal.


7.) 17 Jul 2019 10:40:20
No thanks Phil. You made your bed, now you sleep in it.


8.) 17 Jul 2019 11:33:50
Ed1 I guess we have yes but not massively. he would know what is expected of him.
I'm not one for actually wanting him back, just that if he were to come back, I'd get over it and he'd definitely be a good option. He's a talented player and showed a bit more defensively too in his final years with us.
All hypothetical, he's not coming back, and he wouldn't even start most games for me. Front 3 don't get moved. And ox and Kieta get games in attacking mid.

{Ed001's Note - it has been a major change actually.}


9.) 17 Jul 2019 11:46:51
He wouldn't fit us, would he? Not enough pace to play on the wing, not enough work rate to play in midfield. Suppose if Klopp wants to experiment with 4321 again he might get a look in, but that didn't turn out so well last season, so why would he? PC is a decent player, just not for us.


10.) 17 Jul 2019 11:48:44
Again IF Klopp wants him back, IF, I'm sure he has a plan of how and where he use him. For me personally if it happens or not I'm not overly bothered either way.


11.) 17 Jul 2019 13:07:45
I think you will see Coutinho back with us for 2 reasons, 1) he adds creativity into the attacking midfield, something we haven't replaced, 2) Barcelona still owe us £88 million and they cannot afford to pay that fee to us with their transfer plans. I have seen rumour of a 2 year loan with an option to buy for, wait for it, £88 million. We pick up his wages and then write of the debt after 2 years.
Considering the guy knows the club and most the players it would be a move that adds something to the squad for very little money.


12.) 17 Jul 2019 13:32:05
It wouldn't be for "very little money". It would be for £88 million which is a hell of a lot of money.

We have moved on. We have improved. He is not what we need and I genuinely don't think there is any interest from us what so ever.

If you read the transcript of what his agent said during his interview he said there is no interest.

Lets just forgot Pipco and move on.

Red Sandman.


13.) 17 Jul 2019 13:38:17
Honestly think he is going to PSG swap deal with Neymar and a lot of cash.


14.) 17 Jul 2019 13:41:54
Funster70 and Weston90 posting almost exactly the same post, that's just lazy whoever you are!

How do all these people know how much Barcelona still owe Liverpool?


15.) 17 Jul 2019 15:15:27
Seen a video of him and Bobby which looks like celebrations and congratulations, for someone you've spent the last 2 weeks with while playing for your country, you don't give him a welcome like that.


16.) 17 Jul 2019 15:26:30
Sorry I'm not buying this "they owe us 88 million" BS.

What is the basis of this number? Did someone hack into Mike Gordon's laptop?

Sold more than one and a half years ago, so why would Barcelona have paid less than half of what he supposedly went for? Since when were transfers paid out over five years?

A Twitter troll came up with this and everybody's taking it as gospel . . .

{Ed001's Note - to be fair, no transfer is ever paid in full up front, they are always paid over time. The 88m is nonsense though and includes possible add ons which they would not have to pay if he leaves anyway.}


17.) 17 Jul 2019 15:44:20
Ed001 please tell me there is absolutely zero chance and zero interest Klopp has in bringing him back? Then can we not let anymore posts on him come through please.

{Ed001's Note - I have already said that, Kia Joorabchian has said it, I am not sure why people are still going on about it. It is sad how some people just can't let go.}


18.) 17 Jul 2019 15:58:08
Andy and Ed, agree 100%, our system has changed completely to using a hard grafting midfield to control things, and then the attacking threat coming from our wide forwards and use of the fullbacks. We don’t use a classic playmaker like City do, and we were all the more robust defensively for it last season.

I don’t see this obsession with Coutinho, he’s a decent player but we’d have to change our system to accomodate him and I don’t see us doing that (just like Shaqiri has struggle to fit our style of play apart from the odd game) and its a very expensive move to make if we’re only going to use him in the odd game to unlock stubborn defenses. I’d rather us Ox and Keita thanks.


19.) 17 Jul 2019 18:34:33
I wouldn’t be relying on Ox for anything SGRed, he’s one injury away from disaster.
And people saying Coutinho has become a poor player, he’s had a better season than Keita’s had for us.


20.) 17 Jul 2019 19:28:07
It’s a no from me. There are equally as good attacking midfielders around who have more mileage left in the tank than Coutinho and who would also be better value than what Barcelona want, and also let’s not forget how he left. Personally I can’t see how his back would pass a medical.


21.) 17 Jul 2019 19:30:43
I don’t think Coutinho’s a poor player, he just not longer fits the way we play right now.

We rely on midfielders that can control the game, prevent counterattacks and cover the fullbacks, allowing them to push forward and create dangerous positions and assists. It’s no coiincidence that Trent and Robbo broke all sorts of records last year. Yet we remained solidly defensively precisely because we use the likes of Gini, Hendo, Milner, Keita instead of the likes of Coutinho.

Playing Coutinho would disrupt the balance to the side unless we changed our shape, and I don’t think Klopp will be doing that very often, hence he’d be a very expensive plan B.

Id rather we went for someone like Cornet, who while not as good as Coutinho, would allow us to rest our wingers and replace with a like for like style goal scoring winger without disrupting the shape of the side.

As for Ox and Keita, I’m confident one or both will do well in midfield this season and they’ll definitely add more goals.


22.) 17 Jul 2019 20:21:54
ed001 I don't care if he comes or not. But like you said we have changed the way we play we seem a lot more controlled now rather than the frantic way we first played under we have a lot more control over games. So I do think the way we play now would suit him more. But I don't think we should go back more than anything it sends the wrong message out after the way he acted to get his move. But if he comes he will add more quality to are squad and he can play wide left or the number 10 role so I won't moan and will cheer him on when ever I get to get to the match.


23.) 17 Jul 2019 22:33:51
To say that PC wouldn't fit our system is a little ignorant imo. we drew 7 games last year and lost several in Europe. If we'd changed system in some of those games and had Phil I've no doubt doubt we'd of won a few the lad was world class at liverpool like him or not. Lfc would be lucky to have home back.


24.) 18 Jul 2019 04:02:36
SGRed you hit the nail on the head there I agree with you completely.

Coutinho in our midfield weakens us, everybody is calling for him to sign to play in midfield, he only ever played there 4 or 5 times for us and mostly struggled. He was and still is a left sided forward, he's never shown any form as a central playing midfielder in the past. For me he'd only be backup to mane on the left currently in our strongest 11, and at his age with transfer fee and huge wages it would be bad business for us.


25.) 18 Jul 2019 09:18:20
IF he comes back he definitely wouldn't be first choice in my opinion, regardless of what he's done though i wouldn't have him back. we proved when he was at the club that we are a better team without him, he unblances our mojo.


26.) 18 Jul 2019 18:37:28
He and Dembele have been offered to PSG as part of the Neymar deal so rule them out moving here.


27.) 18 Jul 2019 20:35:32
Guys I hadn't been on the site for many reasons which I won't go into, but must stress to those people wanting Coutinho back.
Do not forget that since he left OFF we changed our style and for TWo seasons since have been in Champions League final. There is no doubt, we are a better team without him. I love him as a player, but that boat has sadly sailed. Let's move on eh?


28.) 19 Jul 2019 13:17:45
His agent has said he is not coming to LFC and Ed has said it won't happen and that the so called "88m they owes us" is complete dross. Moral of the story: Stop arguing over a non-point/ non issue and move on with your lives.


 

 

08 Jun 2019 14:36:55
Hi Ed’s,

I know you’re probably sick of hearing his name but apparently Liverpool have today bid for Pepe of Lille. I think it was ed001 who said we were definitely interested but do any of the Ed’s know if it’s gone further than just interest and have we in fact bid for the player?

Thanks.

JK_RED

{Ed001's Note - I don't know sorry, I haven't heard of anything today.}


1.) 08 Jun 2019 15:39:27
Seems weird we would go for Pepe considering he is a right winger who plays similar to Salah, with how much he would cost and having shaqiri, Wilson (probably will leave) and Chamberlain that can play right wing.
Would make more sense going for someone that can play all across the front line, not just one side of it.


2.) 08 Jun 2019 16:32:51
Unless he is replaceing Salah.


3.) 08 Jun 2019 18:37:10
People here said it was funny to go for salah a rw at roma when we had mane playing rw. Trust the transfer guys at the club, they have earned it.


4.) 09 Jun 2019 17:33:34
Mane was lw before coming to Liverpool, Salah and Pepe both play rw, if we want someone who can rotate with the front three then Pepe is not the player to get.

{Ed001's Note - Mane played on the right mainly for Saints and RB Salzburg.}


5.) 09 Jun 2019 18:14:12
I worded that wrong, but yes he played both RW and LW, were as Salah and Pepe just play RW.

{Ed001's Note - both have also played up front.}


6.) 09 Jun 2019 19:14:03
What I'm trying to get at is that I think we need a player who is just as comfortable playing LW as well as RW/ striker.


7.) 10 Jun 2019 00:56:46
Sometimes we get over fixated on positions and roles players fill. Salah played 10 or 15 times through the middle. Firmino isn't a natural no.9. Mane played right most of his career but is playing his best ball on the left, also showed he can play centrally. Point is, when we attack our front 3 are excellent at interchanging and roaming with unpredictably. So mane of manes goals have been within 10 yards attacking central areas. We never play with rigid structure so any forward with versatility is helpful. Ed mentions pepe can only play right, if that's the case I'd avoid him. Shaqiri and salah looks like they can't play left and origi was always our only option that side and he's better centrally. Pepe makes no sense if he is in the same boat. I'd love Felipe Anderson as perfect fit but that's not going to happen. Cornet seems a sensible choice and I'd imagine if our interest is serious our scouts are confident. I have full trust in our recruitment policies right now.


 

 

04 Jan 2019 00:34:46
A lot of talk about Timo Werner although I can’t see that happening as I doubt he would move unless he had some sort of assurance regarding game time which we can not give. While I would love it to happen and rotate the front 3 when needed, I really can’t see it happening.

JK_RED

1.) 04 Jan 2019 05:54:31
Why can't you see it happening? If Klopp rates him highly enough, and the rumour that he is available for a mere 36mil is true, then I don't see why we cannot get him in. The way it is going, we're going to let Origi, Solanke and Sturridge leave or go on loan. The front 3 can't be starting each match as well. So, some form of rotation is needed to keep them fresh.

Whether or not he chooses our club is another matter but I feel we should at least try to get his signature. As much as I love our front 3, but it will be nice if we can mix things up a bit and add some quality in our attack as well as have different formations to confuse our opponents.


2.) 04 Jan 2019 08:00:55
We need cover for injuries and dips in form. adding more quality to the squad is never a bad thing.


3.) 04 Jan 2019 09:03:50
It’s not happening guys as Klopp is not interested in him. Ed’s has dismissed him arriving, a player we have shown zero interest in what so ever. Also why would he move to sit on the bench. Not happening.


4.) 04 Jan 2019 10:40:52
The reason our front 3 start majority of games and don’t get replaced by Sturridge/ Origi until very late in games is because Klopp doesn’t fully trust the replacements. It was similar with last years midfield but now they are getting ample game time (except Kieta) . Bobby had a drop in form this season and Mane tends to pick up knocks now and again. Salah’s shoulder injury came in our last game of the season last year so if at any other time we could have been in big trouble. The club will average about 45-60 games a season and 4 quality forwards vying for 3 positions will get plenty of minutes of football. It might not be Werner we’re after but another quality forward would not only strengthen us but take the pressure off the front 3. If we lost 1 to a long term injury it would be bad but imagine if we lost 2 of them for any amount of time it would be catastrophic.


5.) 04 Jan 2019 12:02:00
If Timo wants the move then it will happen.


6.) 04 Jan 2019 13:12:18
KingCarlos he doesn’t want the move though mate. We are again just hoping and praying we sign a player who is available but the fact is we have shown no interest in him what so ever.


7.) 04 Jan 2019 13:33:12
DAPred, I just told you why I don’t see it happening, he will want guaranteed game time, and Klopp willl not give him any guarantees.


8.) 04 Jan 2019 17:31:55
Has Timo not already stated he would preder a move to United or is that just old news?


 

 

 

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11 Nov 2019 07:49:50
Can one of the eds help me out regarding the Alexander Arnold hand ball? All I’ve heard since the match finished yesterday was how fabinho’s goal should have been disallowed and city awarded a pen but it clearly hit silva’s hand first and correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the new handball law state that if the ball hits the attacking players hand, intentionally or not, it will be a free kick to the defending team? Similar to the mane handball against United? If that’s correct, the Silva handball would nullify Alexander Arnold’s Hand ball would it not?

JK_RED

{Ed001's Note - I would just forget about it, the media are just trying to stir up controversy where none exists and Pep is just looking to have an excuse for losing.}


1.) 11 Nov 2019 08:10:20
You are correct mate it should have been a foul to us and Peps behaviour at the end was embarrassing a hope the FA look at that and take him to task if he is such a good manager tell him to manage macclesfield and then we will see how good he is.

{Ed001's Note - this is just Pep trying to cover up the fact that his poor judgement has weakened City badly. If he had bought more than one good defender in his time at the club they wouldn't be so far behind.}


2.) 11 Nov 2019 08:14:44
Just the normal then Ed mate? Same old, different day.

{Ed001's Note - yep. Pep needs the controversy to keep people from noticing how badly he has messed up in the transfer market, so he is going to keep on about it all season long.}


3.) 11 Nov 2019 08:18:44
Exactly. It is just the media acting up as usual.
Pep has been utterly outclassed by Klopp yet again, something he has no idea how to address.
City were not unlucky, unfairly treated, nor conspired against. They were simply overpowered, demoralized and well-beaten.
For all of Pep’s spending and perceived mythical coaching, he just cannot take Klopp on in a football match, it’s as simple as that.


4.) 11 Nov 2019 08:22:08
There were 30 people in the boozer I was at. I was the only Liverpool fan. Not one person in the room thought it was a penalty once they showed the slow motion clip of it hitting Silva's hand.

It's literally not a debate. You can't punch it onto somebodies hand and ask for a penalty. Isn't that common sense if nothing else?


5.) 11 Nov 2019 08:28:08
Pep under pressure his reaction said it all
Up the pool.


6.) 11 Nov 2019 09:24:29
Oh, so the bald, petulant, whiny little cry baby spitting his dummy out on the touchline cos mommy (the ref) did not get him the toy he wanted was Pep? Wow, totally missed that one.

Seriously tho, I fully agree with Ed and the other lads. Pep is a politician hence, a hypocrite, IMO. He is trying to have everyone focus on the "shiny object" that is the unclear handball call to deflect from his own failings.

So this guy will have us all believe that it was a 50-50 handball call that VAR did not give him, is the whole reason his team got pummeled 3-1 rather than his own abject incompetence during the game and that of his players where their mistakes cost them the goals? Really? Gundogan "assisted" Fab on the first goal. They were caught flat-footed defensively on the second. Hendo rinses Gundogan, puts a great ball in, Bravo stays on his line and Walker literally watches the ball leave Hendo's foot till he see Mane head it in.

But let's forget that all this happened and focus on the 50/ 50 handball, isn't it Pep? As someone said, as self-entitled as Pep only understands pain and I am glad we inflicted that pain on him to the point of losing his scalp (as he has no hair) all game long.


7.) 11 Nov 2019 09:37:30
Well said Ed. I was getting so annoyed watching the pundits after the game. Especially the presenter, who kept pushing the handball issue. Ignoring the fact we won 3.1 and it would never have been a penalty due to Silva handball onto Trents. Felt it was disrespectful to the Liverpool players and management. But nothing surprising with Sly sports! Our midfield 3 were absolutely brilliant yesterday and deserve full credit for it.

{Ed001's Note - I just thought it was such a blatant handball from Silva, he clearly punched the ball into Trent, that I didn't understand why there was an issue at all. I guess when a game was that cut and dried a win they have to create something to talk about.}


8.) 11 Nov 2019 09:56:39
imagine if pep had a real crisis to deal with? whose fault is it that city only have 1 quality centre back and goalkeeper? who decided before the game to call out mane? yes he dived yesterday pep, he dived with his head to make it 3-0! his behaviour and interview were the actions of a man not used to getting his own way.
Its the defeats to Norwich and wolves and the draw vs spurs that have cost pep, and his inability to spot what a good defender looks like, he should have cover in all positions for the amount of money he has spent.
compare the amount of money mendy cost compared to Robertson for example to see where his problems lie.
If he ever had a Chelsea like transfer ban, the man simply would not cope.


9.) 11 Nov 2019 11:24:52
he got done by Klopp in terms of tactics. everyone knew he would look to attack early on and blow us away as possible in the early stages. but we were so ruthless with our first 2 chances that it tore his game plan to shreds. we dominated them in the 2nd half till abt the 70mins. and i dare say, had Klopp managed to bring Ox on earlier, as he clearly intended, City would probably never have scored their goal. but once we got into the shape he wanted, City was stifled once again.

the impt and meanginful stat is, Pep has never won at Anfield and i hope he never will.

and abt the handball? i don't know what Kompany was seeing. Silva's hand wasnt in a natural position while TAA was. Try it yourselves, nobody runs with a straight and bent elbow - which was Silva's movement was, initially straight then he bent his elbow after he saw the ball moving away from him due to Lovern's tackle. he had committed to a pass that was foiled (which explains his straight arms) and should have tired to pull his arm away while turning back to see the ball. on the other hand, look at how both Augero and TAA were BOTH spreading their arms out to stop their run, because that's what normal humans do.

finally, if Augero had played on to play Sterling in, he probably would have scored and VAR would kick in. Barring any nonsense, the goal would be cancelled and fk given to liverpool for Silva's initial handball. then, the counter attack would have never transpired.

city only have themselves to blame for poor tactics, poor finishing, poor defending, and poor decision making in key moments.


10.) 11 Nov 2019 12:26:58
Pep was utterly embarrassing and lacking in any kind of dignity. To flap around on the touchline like a spoilt child and then run up and sarcastically address the ref after the match just showed immaturity as a manager.
Im sure his own team will be wondering about the example he is setting. he's not the first petulant manager but at least Mourinho used to save his pouts and sarcasm for the press conferences.


11.) 11 Nov 2019 12:40:17
Apologies if this has been mentioned before but if they got a penalty would that not have had to be ruled out too as Silva created a goalscoring opportunity with a handball?

{Ed001's Note - let's be honest, they make up the rules as they go along, so it is impossible to be sure any more what is the actual ruling and what is an interpretation on the day or what is an excuse made up to cover a mistake.}


12.) 11 Nov 2019 12:48:56
Unfortunately, I think a lack of professionalism, like some of the antics yesterday, has become the norm against many sports. I understand the heat of the moment, but I would be embarrassed if a high schooler acted the way many professionals do when things aren't going their way. I hope this gets addressed at some point.


13.) 11 Nov 2019 15:24:55
Oh, you ain't up on game, player. Haven't you heard? VAR is the reason Pep did not sign a CB last summer. It was VAR's fault for him not being able to break down Wolves or Norwich and got smashed. It's VAR's fault for City after spending over 350m on FB's, CB's and GK's, can't defend against a team that has the temerity to have a go at him. Typical of a self-entitled, petulant child. Nothing is ever his fault and the media do a bang up job of carrying his water for him as well.


14.) 11 Nov 2019 15:25:45
Coco9, I fully agree with you as well. All the pundits seemed to gloss over or not even mention the fact that the ball ricoheted off Silva's arm then hit TAA's who was slowing down hence, did not have time to get his arm away from the ball. Kompany mentioned it BUT just glossed over it. On MOTD, it was not even addressed. Neither was it addressed on Sly. I wonder why.

For me, it was NEVER a pen for the exact reasons you and Ed brought up. There were at most 2 ricochets (Once off Lovs, then straight onto Silva's arm) before the ball hits TAA so how can a pen be given for that? How is TAA who is slowing down after running at full pelt to the scene supposed to know the ball was going to ricochet twice and get to him? TAA is good BUT he ain't that good.

IMO, Michael Oliver got it right if in fact, he saw the same things I saw. This is what the media don't want to talk about cos well, it's too hard to do so just make it sound like Pep got done by the refs cos that drives the controversy whereas IMO, there isn't one.


 

 

21 Oct 2019 07:15:08
I think yesterday’s match was probably the worst I’ve seen Liverpool play in over a year but it didn’t help that the officials were awful. Martin Atkinson is one of the most experienced referees in the premier league but yesterday was one of the worst refereeing performances I’ve ever seen.

What is the point of VAR if the officials watching the screens are not going to overrule the referee?! If it’s a case of disagreement between the ref and VAR officials, give the referee a screen to view at the side of the pitch like they had in the World Cup! The foul on origi looked absolutely blatant in real time and on viewing the replay there was nothing to change my mind so I have no idea what those idiots in the VAR room were watching!

Also, as bad as Liverpool played, I don’t understand all the pundits praise for the United performance! They played exactly the same way the play against us every season, 11 men behind the ball and pump it up to rashford and now James aswell. There was nothing new or special about their performance, in fact, it was this type of performance Mourinho was slated for!

All in all, can’t really complain with a draw as it wasn’t the greatest game of football but barring some awful officiating, we could have had all 3 points! And before people start accusing me of bias, Mane’s goal was rightly ruled out given the new handball law. So In my eyes, we were the only team to score a legitimate goal yesterday as Mane and Rashfords goals should have been ruled out!

Anyway, still unbeaten and 6 points clear! YNWA!

JK_RED

1.) 21 Oct 2019 08:00:17
Just to go against the status quo. I didn't think it was a foul on Origi in the build up to their goal, he took a bad touch and had lost control of the ball.

We were poor all day, I think a big part of it was that Salah was out, but hey no excuses. We got a point maybe a point more than we deserved bad we are still undefeated. Let's move on to the next game and focus on staying unbeaten.


2.) 21 Oct 2019 08:14:54
It was a foul. Clearly a foul.

{Ed025's Note - it certainly was denzil..


3.) 21 Oct 2019 08:46:00
Poor touch or not, lindelof has come through the back of origi and made contact, he was late with the challenge and it is a foul! I lost count of how many fouls Atkinson awarded UTD in the first half for minimal contact! He was absolutely useless all game!


4.) 21 Oct 2019 08:49:47
It was a tackle from behind Bmena. He got none of the ball and all of the man. Those tackles were outlawed 30 years ago mate. 100% foul all day long. If the ref thought there was no contact then fair enough but that where VAR should correct him and the goal be ruled out. To go with the ref regardless is at best inept and at worst corrupt.


5.) 21 Oct 2019 09:53:19
I just wish he was consistent. First half felt like 2 different guys where making the calls depending on the colour of the shirt.


6.) 21 Oct 2019 10:36:12
Even if the ref had the greatest performance of his career yesterday it wouldn't hide the fact that we were very poor. It looked like we had run out of ideas without actually having any in the first place. We only played with any intensity and ambition after Lallana's goal.

{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point JK, that was not the liverpool i know out there yesterday, it was slow and looked like playing not to lose rather than win from the get go mate..


7.) 21 Oct 2019 11:45:26
I just wish Jurgen would stop getting worked up in games like these. He seems to spend a long time complaining to the 4th official instead of keeping his cool and watching the game to work out a solution, and this then infects the players.
Why argue for ages with the 4th official? It's not like the decision is going to be changed.

I also thought the ref being ridiculously one sided was a thing of the past, but I was wrong.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think atkinson was biased polecat just inept, he missed some big decisions and thats where VAR could help, instead it serves to protect the referee from criticism and thats why its just not working mate..


8.) 21 Oct 2019 12:34:31
Bmena, so you are saying that cos Origi lost his touch (debatable) while being clearly kicked by Lindelof, that negates the fact that he was fouled? That makes no sense IMO, man. It was a foul and VAR messed it up due to the rule Ed25 has alluded to which is criminal in itself cos it is there to protect the ref from having to bear the brunt of his own failings.

Now did we play our best? No and that can happen. Utd parked the bus and closed the spaces so they did that very well. I'm not going to sit here and start saying it was our worst perf. since x time cos we have played WAY worse than this. We are 6 points up and top of the PL. The only LFC fans crying and acting like children are IMO, the spoiled brats who thought we were going to walk this game, as if we have ever walked a game at OT in the past. As for the ref? There is a reason why NO PL refs are ever at the WC. They are useless and and based on what I saw, he was assisting utd in his ineptitude.

{Ed025's Note - yeah atkinson was a disgrace redwolf, just as much as VAR is which is why it should be suspended until some clear rules are sorted out and its implemented properly..


9.) 21 Oct 2019 12:48:45
Am with you on that eds25.


10.) 21 Oct 2019 12:49:30
They have backed themselves into a corner on VAR the bar has been set ridiculously high for overturning referees dicisions and I can't see them changing tack part way through the season. It will be left till the summer for them to reassess so I guess we have to hope that we don't fall foul of it too much in the meantime.

{Ed025's Note - there is a meeting on wednesday to discuss the issues i believe Den..


11.) 21 Oct 2019 13:02:59
I just checked Companies House and Pep Ferguson Officiating Limited is a legitimate company!


12.) 21 Oct 2019 13:17:59
That’s exactly my point re VAR Ed025. VAR was brought in to eradicate refereeing mistakes but the officials seem to be dead against contradicting the referee. I’ve just watched dermot Gallagher on sky sports saying it was atkinsons decision because VAR couldn’t overrule it because it wasn’t ‘clear and obvious’! For one, it was clear and obvious because it was a foul and the referee missed it and secondly, if it’s debatable, tell the ref to go and have a look at a monitor himself and see all the angles, then make a decision. So far this season, it’s been an absolute farce!

{Ed025's Note - your spot on JK..


13.) 21 Oct 2019 16:43:20
Suspending VAR until it is reviewed and corrected is the smartest idea I have read on here in a long time. It was supposed to be a tool to reduce controversy. It does only the opposite .

{Ed025's Note - your right ArAy, we seem to be discussing VAR more than the actual football mate, and that cant be good..


14.) 21 Oct 2019 19:01:28
ArAy1969, VAR can actually work if it was actually put in place to fix what is broken, in good faith. The prob here is that there are bad faith actors who are implementing a system where by teams get penalized AFTER VAR is actually used. If not, how does one explain how the ref should NOT be overruled whereas the goal of VAR as they told us, was to eradicate human errors hence, the errors of a human being who is the ref.

They say the ref cannot be overruled. So why do you have VAR then? So what happens when he makes a blatant mistake? Well, they say say it is not "a clear an obv. mistake" which is code for protecting the ref's blatant incompetence. Therefore in essence under the VAR system in England, we have TWO referees in every game. We have the ref at the center of the pitch and we have VAR to intervene in certain areas (red card challenges, offsides etc) to overrule the ref while in other situations, the ref has the final say even tho, he is not allowed to go check the monitor to see the incident. Brilliant!


15.) 21 Oct 2019 21:20:38
Redwolf, I had a brief discussion on this same point with Ed001, on here, recently. And we both concluded that the authorities were wary of reducing the power of the refs, therefore limiting the effectiveness of VAR. Sounds so much like introducing something with the implicit objective of having it fail. But it's fooling no one. I highly doubt this is the final word on the VAR issue. It will have to be adjusted so that it does end up being a tool that overrules the ref. on the field. It's done in rugby with great success; no reason it can't be done in football.


 

 

18 Sep 2019 14:08:41
So, what is the actual point in VAR if not to overturn decision such as the penalty decision last night? Ex ref peter Walton on BT sport tried to justify it as not a clear and obvious error but it’s very black and white, it’s either a penalty or it’s not so it definitely should have been overturned!

JK_RED

1.) 18 Sep 2019 15:56:31
No point moaning about VAR when without it the penalty would most likely have been given by the ref. It'll take them a long time to iron out the problems of using VAR and mistakes will happen along the way.

{Ed001's Note - yes there is, as the whole point of VAR was to stop those errors. You surely should be saying there is no point in VAR if it is not stopping the errors?}


2.) 18 Sep 2019 16:37:43
But it hasn't happened that it is fantastic and clear immediately Ed001.when the powers that be learn that referees almost always support referees then perhaps they'll learn that some independent body needs to administer the system and then the frustrating errors will lessen.

{Ed001's Note - I said before it came in this would be what would happen, it didn't take great foresight to see it. I am 100% convinced that they knew when they introduced it what would happen and they wanted that, which is why there was no attempt to bring in an independent body to control VAR.}


3.) 18 Sep 2019 17:14:13
I think in the world cup the use of var was much better, they got the referee to go to a monitor and rethink his decision . In the CL and PL I agree with ed001, I really can't see the point of it.


4.) 18 Sep 2019 18:23:33
It’s is pointless if it isn’t going to intervene in these cases, in fact I thought it was introduced for precisely these cases. Fair play to the ref, it looked like a pen on tv from front on, but the the replays showed, very clearly, that Robertson didn’t kick him and after that his legs start to crumple and he hits robbo’s standing leg and goes down. It’s a farce, ed25 will be going mad when Mo still gets his ‘dodgy’ pens, as he sees it.


5.) 18 Sep 2019 20:42:01
Surely the fact it wasn't a penalty is a clear and obvious mistake. Or am I mistaken?

{Ed025's Note - you are mistaken lord ha ha, read the papers and it will tell you that mertens scored a penalty which put napoli 1 up, you may not agree with the decision but thats nothing new from liverpool supporters is it..


6.) 18 Sep 2019 21:04:47
Haha banter aside ed025, you must admit, VAR let Liverpool down badly last night, I’ll admit it looked a penalty in real time but it’s clear as day on the replays that Callejon swan dived before there was any contact at all.

{Ed025's Note - it was a bit harsh JK but you cant really complain when you get the rub of the green as often as liverpool do mate..


7.) 19 Sep 2019 00:25:08
The thing that bothers me is that salah could have easily have gone down when he had koulibally in all sorts of trouble in the first half but stayed on his feet. Incidents like napoli's pen will make him think twice it will make more strikers go down easily in the future especially as refs don't seem to be booking players for potential simulation.


8.) 19 Sep 2019 04:54:06
It was clear he was expecting contact and dived early to try exaggerate it, and he was undone because Robbo pulled his leg away. The fact that there was contact later doesn’t justify it - it should have been chalked off by VAR and I’m not whining because it’s liverpool, it happens all over the place and it’s a fault of VAR implementation.

In fact, while it would have been better to have won, to lose away to Napoli like that could be a blessing in disguise as it’ll hopefully be a wake up call against potential complacency, prevent the build up of pressure around the unbeaten run, and strengthen the teams resolve to pick themselves up and push on in the league (while hopefully not damaging our chances to go through in CL as it’s only the first - and our toughest - match of the group stages) .

It is what it is, and worse has happened to Man City in terms of VAR so far already, but that doesn’t make it a decent call.


9.) 19 Sep 2019 00:36:13
{Ed025's Note - it was a bit harsh JK but you can't really complain when you get the rub of the green as often as liverpool do mate.
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What do you mean . the whole universe is against us including all of its elements - I thought you know that by now . we never get lucky, it may look like luck, but in fact its superior playing techniques that we had to master to overcome the oppression we face.

{Ed025's Note - your right roy, i forgot about that mate.. :)


10.) 19 Sep 2019 08:51:09
The problem is with the understanding of how VAR works. In this instance, the job VAR have is NOT to decide if it's a pen or not. VAR is to decide if the ref have done a clear and obvious mistake in giving it. I personally don't think it was a pen, but I can also see why VAR wouldn't consider it a clear and obvious error to give it.

{Ed001's Note - if you don't think it was a pen, then you think it was an error, a clear and obvious error is nonsense, there is no such thing. It is either an error or it isn't.}


11.) 19 Sep 2019 12:42:25
The problem is that not all penalty situations are 100% clear either way. So VAR should only overrule the ref if the pen is 100% clear or 100% faulty. In this situation Robertson's knee come in contact with the opponent. So, not a clear 100% wrong decision by the ref. However, I do think VAR should have asked the ref to review it though.

{Ed001's Note - VAR should never overrule a ref, it is only meant to be used to ask a ref to review a decision.}


12.) 19 Sep 2019 13:00:40
XaW, my understanding of VAR (in the PL anyway) is that if the TV images bare out what the ref says over the mic, they won’t overturn a decision whether they disagree with that decision or not. But I’d find it hard to believe that the ref on Tuesday said the the VAR ref that robbo took a swing at the ball, missed everything, then the attacker started to go down before any contact was made and he then fell into robbo’s standing leg. He surely said the defender tripped the attacker - which was fair enough for him to think- but the tv pics don’t back that up. I really do think the only way we’ll understand what is going on is for them to be mic’d up, or else it feels even more cloak and dagger than it did before VAR. And I agree with comments above, obviously I’m most bothered because I’m a Liverpool fan, but I said it on the day it happened that Man City should have had a blatant pen against Tottenham. We used to be able to say, ah well the ref didn’t see it- what excuse is there now for that city non penalty? It calls referees interpretation of the law into even more question these days, because everything is seen.


 

 

21 Jun 2019 21:24:04
Hi ed001 or ed002 if you’re around, I was having a conversation with a colleague today regarding the links to coutinho. I don’t want to know if we’re interested per se, it’s more the means of acquiring him if we were interested.

He was saying that he thinks Barcelona still owe us money as the payment would have been split over a few seasons as it was a large transfer fee. My question is if we were interested, could we tell Barcelona to keep the money they still owe us and we could pay the difference?

Not sure if transfers can work like that or if it is possible, I was just curious?

Thanks in advance.

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - No, that would not work.}


1.) 22 Jun 2019 09:48:18
I highly doubt Klopp has or had any thoughts of bringing Coutinho back.

We are better off without him anyway.


2.) 22 Jun 2019 10:39:56
Too right we are max.


3.) 22 Jun 2019 12:02:29
I disagree. If he had never been a liverpool player we would all be buzzing about him joining. It won't happen but i hope it does.

Just the sort of player to nick a goal from thirty yards against a stubborn Leicester or Utd. 2 points. Premier league. Not as black and white as that i know. Id love him to come back. He fought for his move to barca, well, vvd fought to come here, so did keita, mane. You can't blame him for wanting to fulfill his dream and play for Barcelona. But dreams are rarely as good as they seem.

If it happened i hope we welcome him back. From a dressing room of egos to a dressing room of European Champions.

{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't be buzzing about him joining so that is just nonsense. We went up a huge level because of getting rid of him from the team, in large part. He is not suited to our style of play.}


4.) 22 Jun 2019 12:31:24
Fair enough ed01. Each to their own. But we seem to be looking for a creative midfielder who can also cover the forward positions. Pipco can do that.

We went up a level the season he left but he did play half that season and was pretty good. It may be we got better because he left but it may be a coincidence, the team were clearly progressing even when pip was still here.

I loved our style this year. Solid defence, world class keeper, an industrious midfield who provide a platform for the front 3 who provide most of the creativity, along with the fbs. But, if klopp is looking for a creative midfielder, and considering how hard klopp fought to keep him, doesn't that suggest that klopp thinks he can work in our team?

Remember the fab 4? Not john and co. They were class before coutinio left.

{Ed001's Note - he wasn't pretty good! It was not a coincidence we improved when he left, his play was selfish, it was always his issue on the ball. 45 shots from ridiculous angles and distances. Most overrated player Liverpool have ever had and just shows how desperately poor the side was after Suarez left that people go on about him so much. He has very little creativity, a creative mid creates chances for others as well, he simply does not do that, which is why he is failing so miserably at Barca and with Brazil.}


5.) 22 Jun 2019 12:34:53
Robbiesline, if he had never been a Liverpool player and we bought him for the fee being touted, I'd think we'd lost the plot.

He's not worth half of the fee it would take i. e. Fekir is being priced at something like £50 million.


6.) 22 Jun 2019 13:09:12
Selling Coutinho and using the money to help fund VvD and Alison surely ranks as Liverpool’s best transfer business since getting Aldridge, Barnes and Beardsley. No going back for Coutinho for me - he was and is too selfish for this team, and shows no sign of changing.


7.) 22 Jun 2019 13:23:02
Completely agree Ed1.


8.) 22 Jun 2019 13:31:27
Completely agree Ed1, I aren't going to say he isn't talented because he is but like you say we've done better since he left and that's the truth. People wanting him back, why? The way he forced his way out? And you want someone like that back? I wouldn't have him back at Liverpool if he was for free.

Hes decent at best and can be magical at times but it's not enough, he's not good enough for this team now, nowhere even near. Bugger him, he thought the grass was greener and failed. Unlucky lad.


9.) 22 Jun 2019 14:54:39
Coutinho used to drift in and out of games on a regular basis. He would have the odd match where he was enthusiastic and linked well with Firmino doing 1-2s, plus he scored some pearlers from 25 yards, but i can't remember a player who was so inconsistent at Liverpool. He was anonymous one week, then scored a brace the next and everyone wet their pants over him. He agitated to leave to go to his preferred club and I couldn't see him being anything other than a step down for us now. Id prefer Dembele from Barcelona but happy to not bother with any of their players to be honest.


10.) 22 Jun 2019 15:37:55
Yeah good points. Especially about there being cheaper options. And i think we gave him the ball so much because he was our best player. We were all pleased when he didn't leave in the summer. I think since he left we have functioned more like a team, it brought the group closer together.

Also buying allison and vvd and fabhino with the money raised from selling coutinio was massive in us becoming one of the worlds best football teams again. I wouldn't swap those three for 3 coutinios tbh.

Still, they were called the fab 4 for a reason, they demolished defences. Maybe his ego might have subsided a bit since joining Barcelona, where he isn't the best technical player they have, and then getting humbled at anfield by his old team.

I said at the start of the thread that it won't happen but i hope it does. He has had a poor season but is still one of the best footballers on the planet imo. Barcelona just isn't the right team for him.

I think he might end up at chelsea.


 

 

17 Jun 2019 13:51:35
Really don’t think there is going to be big money spent this summer or any so called marquee signings and it’s doesn't bother me because they’re not needed. What is needed is better quality within the squad.

We’re probably going to need a new second choice keeper if or when mignolet leaves.

The centre of defence is stocked unless lovren leaves but even then, Van dijk, Gomez and Matip should suffice. We could do with signing a versatile full back who can play both LB and RB. Milner can cover left back if needed but I would be more comfortable with an out and out full back for cover.

Midfield is overstocked as it is, especially with Ox coming back this season fighting for a starting spot. I think midfield is probably our strongest position within the squad regarding quality and depth. So all this talk of big bids for Bruno Fernandes is wide of the mark I think unless there is a player or 2 who leaves.

As for our forwards, I think it’s safe to say that barring any injuries, the front 3 will play the majority of the games although we will need a versatile forward to cover them in case of injuries and when they need a rest. I’ve seen cornet’s name mentioned a lot and I think he will be the type of player that is targeted as he is versatile, a good player and we won’t have to break the bank to sign him. As the Ed’s have said, a player like Pepe will only be looked at realistically if one of the front 3 leave.

This is probably the first transfer window in recent memory where I’m confident that we don’t need big reinforcements to have a successful season!

JK_RED

1.) 17 Jun 2019 14:20:18
So, nothing new in your post at all then. So insightful of you to agree with all the information that we've already been given over and over. Folks, looks like we got a reader! ;)


2.) 17 Jun 2019 14:32:50
I don't think vvd gomez and matip do suffice. You need 4 senior cbs going into a season, at least. I can't see lovren leaving though. If he does i think we will sign another world class cb.

I think you're right about the quality we have in midfield. And the front 3 will start most games. But, we were fairly lucky with injuries up top. With Sturridge leaving im pretty sure we will sign a forward. Maybe bring Ings back in?

A good back up keeper would be good. Cech would be decent imo but he wamts to play so not going to happen.

I don't think the wing back thing is such an issue. The two starters trent and robbo are super fit and we have players like henderson, fabhino, gomez, and milner who have all played at either rb or lb. Id like to see adam lewis brought in, given experience, if he works out we're sorted, if not then milner can cover when needed. The right side is easier. Hendo fabhino and gomez can all provide cover.


3.) 17 Jun 2019 14:52:11
Robbiesline. Cech has retired from playing and has taken up a senior role at his former club, Chelsea.


4.) 17 Jun 2019 15:24:27
Ok then jurgen Meister, sorry for boring you with my opinions! If you don’t like what I’ve written, scroll past my post!


5.) 17 Jun 2019 16:36:38
What you reading for?


6.) 17 Jun 2019 16:48:35
Nice Bill Hicks reference Fornax.


7.) 17 Jun 2019 16:49:43
Nah we definitely need to strengthen mate. Everyone around us will, so we have too. I think we'll see one big name signing pal.


8.) 17 Jun 2019 19:45:06
Jurgen Meister. And so what? Like you're the harbinger of fresh out of the oven news on a daily basis?


9.) 17 Jun 2019 21:35:08
I'm inclined to agree with you JK_RED, we have a younger squad than city that will naturally improve. On top of that we have the Ox coming back, Keita still adapting and Fabinho playing from the get go. We'll be stronger regardless of who comes in. New signings are welcome, but only if they actually improve the club. Cover at fullback is a position that needs filling.


10.) 17 Jun 2019 23:28:57
Robbie, Cech is retiring (I think) so that is a no-go. We dio need cover at both FB positions as well as a versatile forward that can cover all front three positions. As for CB if Lovs stays which I think he will, there will be no other CB coming in as that makes no sense. If he does leave then things may change.

Finally, It is high time we stopped saying "we can use Milner or Gomez as cover for FB's". That typ of thinking needs to end, IMO.
We need specialist FB's to play at their right positions to guarantee maximum output. It's not like we don't have the money to fill these roles, does it?

Playing Milner and Fab (midfielders) as well as Gomez (the starting CB we all think he can be) is stifling them and limiting our ability to be more flexible in midfield and at CB if injury to Robbo or TAA should occur. This is what stifled us a bit in Jan and Feb when TAA Gomez, and Lovs were injured and we should NOT allow that to happen again. IMO, Let the players play in their rightful positions so as to guarantee maximum production and let's be done with it. Enuff of this "this guy can play there so no need for cover" stuff.


 

 

 

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23 Apr 2019 16:57:26
Whether klopp said he would play him or not, when the player was not up to the standard required, he was loaned out! What is Klopp supposed to do? Carry on playing him even though he’s not good enough? If he had stepped up and improved, he would have played! You seem to have a personal vendetta against klopp and Liverpool.

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - Klopp is a compulsive liar - there have been numerous examples like this, try not to make pitiful excuses - it is very embarrassing. I appreciate you don’t want the truth. Klopp is a liar and a cheat.}


 

 

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23 Apr 2019 15:02:21
I don’t get how we have screwed up his career? He was signed and when he was deemed not good enough, he has been loaned out. This literally happens with hundreds of players every season.

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - Signed on the basis of being lied to; work permit on the basis of a lie; not used and loaned out.}


 

 

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04 Jan 2019 13:33:12
DAPred, I just told you why I don’t see it happening, he will want guaranteed game time, and Klopp willl not give him any guarantees.

JK_RED

 

 

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24 Jul 2018 12:29:24
Lay off it ed002, it’s like you’ve got a personal vendetta against Liverpool. Chelsea have spent stupid amounts of money, purchased promising young players just so other clubs couldn’t have them and sent them out on loan after loan, ruining their career prospects, but don’t let that get in the way of your agenda!

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - Why do you keep trying to make it about Chelsea? I am pretty sure Chelsea has not ruined the career prospects of players and those sold have been sold for a reason. Hard to see how the loans damaged the careers of the likes of De Bruyne, Lukaku, Salah, Courtois, Christensen, yadda, yadda, yadda. The club have made a good return on players who wanted to leave and have been very successful in terms of winning the Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup, Europa League and the Champions League - so many would argue the model they have is a good one. I am not sure why this is a problem to you. Perhaps if the Liverpool supporters stopped trying to blame others for every single failing you would not be the clear laughing stock that you are. I also think I have done nothing more than tell you the truth and yet you continue with this constant attempt to deflect. I am rather surprised you don't think this is very embarrassing.}


 

 

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24 Jul 2018 12:17:35
It’s not about making it about someone else ed002, you constantly slag Liverpool off for doing the same things most other top clubs in world football do, Chelsea, city and United have all spent similar money to Liverpool over the last 5-10 years if not more!

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - No, it is about making it about someone else. I am not aware of me "constantly slagging off Liverpool" - the manager has come out and said he "changed his mind" about buying success - or simply lied before. So the owners who are desperate are again throwing cash at a club that haemorrhages money in I would think a last gasp attempt of winning the premier league. The excuse of "transition" year in and year out is frankly tiresome. It is all terribly embarrassing of course.}


 

 

 

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21 Oct 2019 13:17:59
That’s exactly my point re VAR Ed025. VAR was brought in to eradicate refereeing mistakes but the officials seem to be dead against contradicting the referee. I’ve just watched dermot Gallagher on sky sports saying it was atkinsons decision because VAR couldn’t overrule it because it wasn’t ‘clear and obvious’! For one, it was clear and obvious because it was a foul and the referee missed it and secondly, if it’s debatable, tell the ref to go and have a look at a monitor himself and see all the angles, then make a decision. So far this season, it’s been an absolute farce!

JK_RED

{Ed025's Note - your spot on JK..


 

 

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21 Oct 2019 08:46:00
Poor touch or not, lindelof has come through the back of origi and made contact, he was late with the challenge and it is a foul! I lost count of how many fouls Atkinson awarded UTD in the first half for minimal contact! He was absolutely useless all game!

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18 Sep 2019 21:04:47
Haha banter aside ed025, you must admit, VAR let Liverpool down badly last night, I’ll admit it looked a penalty in real time but it’s clear as day on the replays that Callejon swan dived before there was any contact at all.

JK_RED

{Ed025's Note - it was a bit harsh JK but you cant really complain when you get the rub of the green as often as liverpool do mate..


 

 

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26 Jun 2019 09:36:11
Ed, I remember we were linked with silva a lot before he went to city, were we ever in the running for him? Would have been an amazing signing!

JK_RED

{Ed001's Note - yes, Rafa set up a move for him and Villa but Prick Parry pulled the plug on it because he is an utter bell and decided it was too expensive.}


 

 

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17 Jun 2019 15:24:27
Ok then jurgen Meister, sorry for boring you with my opinions! If you don’t like what I’ve written, scroll past my post!

JK_RED