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03 Jul 2020 00:50:49
Hi Ed’s, seen the Thiago rumours have picked up again, any truth? Seems a bit strange if it is, obviously he is a very talented player but is getting on a bit and goes against FSG’s transfer policy.

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any change to what I said before. I don't see a player like him as a priority for Liverpool - who will need to do as many other sides and prioritise their spending this summer.}


1.) 03 Jul 2020 07:18:55
I think it’s lazy journalists making up stories. He’s lightweight, injury prone and not the sort of player (at his age) who would suit the premier league or Klopp’s tactics. Vastly over rated footballer.


2.) 03 Jul 2020 09:17:55
At 29 would not see that same age as Henderson and Gini if they did sign a midfielder am sure they would want a younger player.


3.) 03 Jul 2020 09:24:58
Not seen anything about Thiago tumours tbh. He is a quality player though and would welcome him if he was to sign. Sounds like there is no way it happens though.


4.) 03 Jul 2020 11:38:45
Make sense if Milner moved on to Leeds maybe? and if Grujic sold?


5.) 03 Jul 2020 11:52:12
His age probably goes against him for a Klopp signing but another way of looking at it would be the experience, not just of playing but also everything he's won that he would offer.


6.) 03 Jul 2020 12:05:06
The more I think about it makes me think it would make some sense if Lallana is leaving, I’m sure he could slot into the left hand side of midfield and also play further forward if needed. Ed001 what’s your thoughts on this one mate, do you think he could be a decent signing to play in the Premier?

{Ed001's Note - it just seems a waste of money for a player of his age. We have Hendo, Milner and Gini who are experienced heads in there, we need young legs to learn from them, rather than more experience.}


7.) 03 Jul 2020 15:02:20
Could be a good replacement for Lallana and maybe Milner though ed while adding a bit of creativity and something different for midfield? Can't think of a central midfielder we currently have similar and the likes of Curtis Jones might learn a bit from him.


8.) 05 Jul 2020 12:42:23
I don't see his age as being a huge issue as many making out. He'll still be 29 come end of next season. Matip, VVD, firmino, mane, Salah are all less than a year younger. I wouldn't expect them to only have a season or 2 left in them. Henderson and gini and Milner all having huge success later in their age than tiago is currently. If it was 60mil fee or something I'd be hesitant but 30 mil for a top proven versatile midfielder with plenty left to offer could be a great deal.


 

 

08 Jun 2020 23:25:52
The media really never cease to make me laugh. It’s now common knowledge that we pulled out of the Werner deal due to the financial constraints of the virus. Werner would have cost in the region of £50m, which we couldn’t afford, yet, today I’ve seen an article linking us to £100m rated lautaro Martinez, one saying we’ve entered the race for £90m rated havertz and another once again throwing our hat into the ring for mbappe 😂😂😂😂.

JK_RED

1.) 08 Jun 2020 23:41:07
Also read today that Ruben Neves @£80m is happening.


2.) 08 Jun 2020 23:47:15
I don’t understand why some people throw the ‘media’ under one umbrella. I have seen no mention of Havertz, Martinez or Neves in the media today. Maybe just try to avoid click bait articles posted on unreliable websites.


3.) 09 Jun 2020 00:38:14
I’m so sorry Thunderbird, we must be lying about reading it if you haven’t seen it!


4.) 09 Jun 2020 06:28:15
I think it wasn’t just a money thing that stopped us buying Werner. It was more a case of paying the 50mil for someone who wasn’t a starter in our team. We perhaps have the budget to spend that kind of money on one player so it’ll be down to Klopp and his team to decide what is their no1 priority.

I disagree with this decision but have a feeling Diego Carlos at CB (who Klopp sees as a starter) could be our one expensive outlay.


5.) 09 Jun 2020 07:03:27
We’re literally signing no one this summer. There is no money for transfers.


6.) 09 Jun 2020 09:01:38
The majority of it is guesswork and the other half is throw out enough names and eventually you will get one right.

It’s all driven to create clicks and hits on websites, unfortunately it’s no longer about informing.


7.) 09 Jun 2020 09:13:31
Let's put the record straight

Liverpool are in a position to spend money and big money at that if required just not on a player who would be expected to sit on the bench and not exactly required

If a CAM OR CB became available that would push us on for 70 mill plus Liverpool have the money to get them in.


8.) 09 Jun 2020 09:29:20
The way things have planned out financially is unfortunate . It will be a blow if we cannot strengthen due to the restraints financially and it seems it was a blessing in disguise the club have had such a strong two seasons and not spent any significant money on players for three windows. If that was not the case could we may have had to sell some big layers to cover this deficit?

I see Chelsea really benefiting now, would say City as well but not sure how brave they can be in the transfer market with the FFP issue still on going. They have made two excellent signings in Wrener and Ziyech and appentely now have money for Havertz as well, that is going to be a fine tralem they have next year.

I hope Liverpool can recover financially quickly enough to keep up in the transfer market. It's not like we need several players but look at Fergie with his United team, no matter how strong they were he went out and added at least one addition each window to make them stronger.


9.) 09 Jun 2020 10:06:17
There are several (very reliable) sources saying there is no money to spend this window.

In fact Klopp and Peter Moore have both said that there’s no money for transfers because of the impact of the virus on revenue streams.

So you can be absolutely certain that we won’t be signing Sancho, Werner, Havertz, Traore, Snoogy Doogy or even Bozo Texino for that matter.


10.) 09 Jun 2020 10:27:50
Actually Kimuraking. th, when United won the Champions League in 99, they signed Fortune and Silvestre so it’s not like they went and bought top quality all the time.

Maybe it’s best to look at what we already have at the club given the current situation and see if they can fill in the gaps in the squad than spaff money we don’t have.

If Lovren goes, Fabinho is capable of filling in at CB, Grujic has had a good season in Germany and shown he can play at number 6 so could easily do a job, Wilson is capable of replacing Shaqiri, Curtis Jones is a good replacement for Lallana and Neco Williams is a very decent understudy for TAA. I know that’s a bit of a simplistic solution, but sometimes the answer is right there in front of us. Our starting 11 is very strong so there’s not really a lot to worry about.

We will be there or thereabouts next season whatever happens.


11.) 09 Jun 2020 12:04:23
There are too many teams rebuilding at the moment, Chelsea look as if they can push higher next season, Manchester United are a few players short and Arsenal plus Spurs have to do work. Not to mention Barcelona. It could be quite a competitive transfer window and with the Euro's pushed to next year game time will be a factor to any move for a European player such as Werner where Chelsea would be seen as an ideal platform for him. There is not much wrong with LFC squad at the moment and the owners want to extend the stadium so it makes sense to be frugal rather than indulge which what Werner would have been.


12.) 09 Jun 2020 12:37:28
Werner was never going to dislodge any of the Front 3, so would he really come to sit on the bench and maybe get more game time during the AFCON.

I still think Minamino will do a job, some players need more time to adapt.

I’ll get shot down for this but I also still see a player in Naby if he can he keep fit.


13.) 09 Jun 2020 15:20:23
Spurs are not going to go on a spree unless they sell Kane, Son or Alli. Arsenal may buy one player, but they’re still a million miles away as they’re two centre backs a whole midfield away from challenging as well as the probability they’ll lose Aubameyang. United aren’t as flush as they’d love the media to believe. City aren’t normally in the business of breaking transfer records and by the looks of things Pep is after more full backs. Chelsea are the only ones really spending, but then they sold Hazard and Morata and couldn’t spend until January this year and they’re weak in Defence and in goal. So they’ll be good going forward but will still ship soft goals. Definitely no need to panic,


14.) 09 Jun 2020 16:02:06
That example of Fergie was over his career 6 Times, to single out one transfer window isn't an accurate picture. Look at the players he brought in when they were so strong and on top, the likes of Van Persie before him Van Nistleroy. Vidic, Ronaldo, Ferdinand. The list goes on and on, and these guys were not bargain basement, even a young Ronaldo was seen as a hot prospect. Point being strengthening when you have a winning team can only be beneficial because you never know how long this period of success is going to last. We can't do that this window so we need to make sure we can in the next.


15.) 10 Jun 2020 03:14:54
I am no finance guy but if the the virus situation is hitting us hard and we can't afford to buy a 50mil player, I don't understand how Chelsea can afford him as they are in the same situation as we are in. Unless of course, the difference is the owner is willing to dig deeper into his pocket to fund the transfers.

We're the reigning European Champs, we are on course to the Prem League champs and we've got a CL spot guaranteed for next season. Not to mention, we have a new mega kit deal with Nike and some new sponsors. The wages of our players are not the highest in the Prem League, so it makes me wonder, how poor can we be?

Unless they do not value Werner at 50mil, then that's another matter. Anyways, my main concern is we're allowing our direct rivals to upgrade while we sit back and relax. That's dangerous.

{Ed001's Note - are you for real? It has been explained over and over that we have built up debt over the years doing up the stadium etc and now we have been hit by the virus and have to tighten our belts as a result. Chelsea on the other hand have spent the same period becoming financially stable and ensuring they are operating within their means. Added to that they have sold Hazard etc. I don't know why people can't understand we simply are not cash rich.}


16.) 11 Jun 2020 02:32:05
DAPred you make it sound like football manager or fifa where every year a lump of transfer money just regenerates to spend freely. Trust the people who are actually involved in the business of running the club to know what's possible and sensible in the long term as we currently have a settled and strong squad while upgrading the stadium, building a new training base and recently splashing out big money on world class players. Plenty money has been commited over last few years wisely to keep progressing but it's silly to question the decisions being made when you think it's financially that straight forward. I can't see any of our rivals being much strenghtened this summer while actually likely they can lose big players while our record breaking squad remains settled. Werner and ziyech don't suddenly make Chelsea have a strong goalkeeper and defence which is miles away from good enough. Take a deep breath and trust the running of the club.


 

 

05 Apr 2020 04:41:45
Disgraceful that Liverpool have furloughed non-playing staff! This is the point I was trying to make yesterday about the greed of football club owners! First spurs and now LFC, 2 of the biggest and most profitable clubs in England and they can’t even pay their staff during a crisis! Absolutely shameful!

JK_RED

1.) 05 Apr 2020 10:29:13
I’m probably in the minority here but the use of words like disgraceful and shameful are in my opinion overboard. I wold have thought Liverpool are topping up the part that the govt won’t cover but not disclosing this to the press.

This is a global crisis. Why are football clubs immune? The majority of football clubs are fragile at best.

Let’s save the finger pointing for a point where normality resumes and we judge (if we must) on behaviour over a period of time.

It is a very stressful time for everyone. Let’s try and be kind, helpful and community minded. The main thing for me is that the staff are receiving their wages. End of.

{Ed025's Note - lets get this right g1, liverpool are a very rich and stable club and for them to use government money to prop up wages is indeed disgraceful, that payment is for firms who cannot afford to subsidise wages not a company who pay millons to players and top staff especially at this time mate, why not cut the playing staff wages to afford the lower paid staff their income?, you can make as many excuses as you want but i think we all know its wrong my friend..


2.) 05 Apr 2020 10:49:16
They are topping up the wages and that has been announced, the whole situation smells a bit and in the grand scheme of things 500k a month is peanuts especially when you consider we pay 12 players over £100k a week.

{Ed025's Note - your right cobra..


3.) 05 Apr 2020 12:21:28
Ed. I don’t agree with the furlough. You’re right that this is govt money that should be reserved for struggling companies. I’m just saying that I am going to judge the behaviour of the club at the end of crisis not during.

{Ed025's Note - companies like LFC should be setting the standards though g1, they are letting the employees down as well as the city mate, its very hard to justify..


4.) 05 Apr 2020 14:10:06
Absolutely disgraceful. Seems like it goes against everything Klopp stands for, so hopefully he can persuade the players to tell the public they would rather take a small pay cut to support the people that keep the club ticking.

Surely the club should’ve aimed for getting the players to come out and say this in the first place, at least it would’ve been consistent with their “this means more” advertising crap. Now it will be laughable whenever anyone sees that line.


5.) 05 Apr 2020 16:38:57
g1dgo, I don’t think I’m going overboard at all, the governments 80% furlough scheme was set up for businesses who genuinely couldn’t afford to pay their staff during this crisis, not for football clubs who posted profits of over £40m! It’s just plain wrong and if you can’t see that, I can’t help you pal!


6.) 05 Apr 2020 16:53:00
G1dgo definitely in the minority I reckon. It's a dreadful thing to do for a rich club and is dreadful for public relation - just look on social media for that, and a lot of the noise is from our own supporters. Anyone who has a Twitter account should get on there and let John Henry have your thoughts on this. Sounds like a decision made by some middle management bean counter rather than a senior company Executive.


7.) 05 Apr 2020 14:18:34
Completely agree. I am so disappointed in the club I thought we knew. I don't think this is on the players at all BTW, but simply on the owners and senior management. We must have lots of cash and ability to lend if absolutely needed. No way this would cripple or really impact the club significantly the amount of money we make. Shows the true colours of the owners this.


8.) 05 Apr 2020 18:13:33
LIVFURLOUGHPOOL FC.


9.) 05 Apr 2020 19:30:31
I think you need to see this from a different perspective.

Bigger and more financially stable companies have also put staff on furlough. We're talking McDonalds, Wetherspoons, Pizza Express, Nissan, British Airways and loads loads more.

I, myself am self employed. I'd absolutely love to be put on furlough right now. To get 80% of my income and not have to travel to work, buy lunches, wear and tear on clothes, my vehicle etc.

When I worked for another company, close to 20% of my income went into getting to work; sustaining myself at work, staying groomed for top personal appearance, buying clothes for work etc. I'd have happily stayed at home for 80% of my pay at this time. No. Not through laziness. If I'm at home, I've less chance of catching the virus, but more importantly, less chance of passing it on to others. I really doubt that anyone that has been put on furlough is in any kind of financial pressure because of it.

I'm self employed. I don't make big profits, but I need the income I was getting to cover my fixed costs. I'm not going to get it because my profits have always been quite small, but my fixed costs aren't going to get covered. Sometimes, you need a little different perspective on things. Being put on furlough is not the worst that can happen to you and far from it.


10.) 05 Apr 2020 21:53:45
Very disappointed with the club/ owners about this. This scheme was intended for companies and employees to safeguard jobs. I went mad when spurs did it, then, to my amazement, the club I love do the same thing. Shameful.


11.) 05 Apr 2020 21:59:33
Seriously I really want to know who is making these stupid decisions. It not like we are a league one club. Are we not ranked in top three richest clubs this year? .
Hope edd can 25 can get a job with LFC and show what common scene can achieve.

{Ed025's Note - i have been a great supporter of FSG in recent times walter but they have got this one totally wrong, it might be ok to do this in the states but here it is unacceptable in my view, i would like to see klopp step in here as im sure he knows the feelings of disgust within the city and its time to step up to the plate, hendo and a few others seem to have a plan which im looking forward to hearing and hopefully they can salvage some pride for the club mate..


12.) 05 Apr 2020 23:25:49
I'm unsure what to think about it. £42m in profit. but we have also read about the pressure affecting clubs to the point they might not come back.

I'm sure the answers are out there but before we criticise we should be diligent in informing ourselves of the facts. Could the club have sustained the cost? Is furlough the prudent thing to do to ensure those jobs are preserved, by preserving the club? Not to mention everything the club may do for the community and charities and the like that would be missed?

How much debt is the club having to service, even though it's made an operating profit?

Unless you absolutely know the fine details, we must be careful how we judge.

If the club went bust because it didn't furlough staff, we'd all be criticising that they should have been more astute.

All that said, I agree that the club mistrust do the right thing, whatever that turns out to be. Look forward to seeing what Hendo and the others do.

Hard for Klopp to go against his employers. I'm

I feel it's a bit naive to think the club wouldn't have taken public perception into account in their decision process. Maybe I'm wrong.


13.) 06 Apr 2020 03:19:34
I am ok with it. I can see the moral debate, but think the reaction is way over the top.


14.) 06 Apr 2020 08:20:45
Faith do you think it's ok for you me and every hard working tax payer in this country to pay the wages of workers who's employers/ owners are multi billionaires I live pretty much month to month and a steady income from work allows me to do this I can't afford to go on fancy holidays or things like that and when tax goes up I will be able to afford less luxury's I have no problem with this as we are alliance this situation together I work for a very small business with only 3 employees we would fold if not for furlough but a multi billionair furlough's thier staff for the everyone reading this is the one paying for it and the millions they have in the bank is untouched I'm sorry but that is completely wrong.


15.) 06 Apr 2020 08:26:51
Until we know the facts why bother pointing fingers?

We are the 5th club to utilise this and no doubt won't be the last.

{Ed001's Note - we point fingers because it is not what OUR club is about. Taking advantage of tax payers' money to avoid paying OUR staff? That is not LFC. It is simply wrong as the club has no need to do so. Anyone defending it just lacks morals and does not understand the principles of Liverpool the city that the club represents.}


16.) 06 Apr 2020 08:50:46
I am hoping Liverpool change their mind. I suspect they will due to the response they have received. We are in unprecedented and uncertain times. We are ALL making on the spot decisions and changing our mind regularly. Society has been given the opportunity to be more community minded. Let’s take advantage. That includes football fans. Let’s also get the rid of the hate which I think football justifies as banter. We have an opportunity.

Peace out.


17.) 06 Apr 2020 10:05:25
Im not defending anything im just reserving judgement as to why its been done as I think that is best practice.

{Ed001's Note - it doesn't matter why, it is the wrong thing to do. The club's debts are mainly owed to FSG, there is no need to do this at all. What is there to reserve judgement over?}


18.) 06 Apr 2020 10:12:53
If the players took a what say 5 or 10% wage cut surely it would cover most of the staffs wages

Makes better for the image of everyone involved this move takes away trust of the people who create a atmosphere in our club

Just don't get it.


19.) 06 Apr 2020 10:27:17
thanks Ed25, i guess with the way you put it, I sort of understanding the huge reactions.
Ed1, I don’t think it is a lack of moral. Lack of understanding is probably more to the point.

From where I am, my government is putting a lot of money (28B and more) to help companies and citizens.
As I am currently unemployed, money which go to companies do not come to me.
As for citizen per se, I own a couple of properties, and even though they are still under mortgaged, I am also not qualified for much of the aids.

Per guideline, Liverpool is doing nothing wrong. This is after all a Govt directive.
If indeed profitable companies should not have claim in the government, then maybe the government should have made the guideline stricter?

Having said that, if they do so, some companies who might be making a lot of money previously might be facing a consequent struggle as a result of covid 19.
Who and how to dispute that?
When you draw tighter guideline, you end up excluding people who need it, like myself personally.

So, having read the reaction from the eds, I guess Liverpool probably shouldn’t have done it, even it is not technically wrong.
I am not local, and is therefore very surprised at the reactions.
Probably FSG will be too.

They will probably not go back on the decision to put on furlough.
In all likeliness, I hope they can “donate” the money from government directly back to help the committee in supplement to whatever the government has put together and which is missing people who really need help.


20.) 06 Apr 2020 10:49:27
I think the main issue here is that football clubs are routinely seen as very visible spenders of huge sums of money (e. g. £75m for VVD plus £150k per week (guess) ) and it gets on people's nerves when they suddenly have to go cap in hand for government handouts when there are a few weeks of tough times.

It's OK saying that McDonald's have done it and British Airways have done it but most people don't see them regularly paying millions of pounds to buy a person for a couple of years.

If the current situation had been going for 6 months then I may have been more accepting but they've just jumped straight into it.


21.) 06 Apr 2020 11:35:30
Simply a lack of understanding of the overall financial position of the club, if this where to last 6 months for arguments sake can the club sustain all its overheads? I don't know that answer so I choose to sit on the fence.

{Ed025's Note - i dont even see a fence jkh, its a question of right or wrong and im afraid liverpool are wrong on this one, they have the money to do the right thing and they are shirking their responsibilities for financial gain, i dont care how long it lasts mate...do the right thing ffs..


22.) 06 Apr 2020 13:25:06
my hats off to all of you in here that have spoken up about the BS of this whole situation. in america, we've been warped into spinning anything that the government allows as being right (or at minimum defensible) because it's legal, but clearly the law doesn't dictate morality. this is an imperfect policy rolled out with urgency because of the circumstances of what is going on in the world right now, and LFC didn't have to take this just because it was available. it's very disappointing, and I hope you all have been heard in a way that motivates them to try to correct this.


23.) 06 Apr 2020 14:02:57
I understand your point bud I do, perhaps as an director of an sme im relating to my own position somewhat.

{Ed025's Note - its for the likes of you that a furlough is being offered jkh, which is why liverpools stance is morally and ethically wrong mate..


24.) 06 Apr 2020 14:22:50
Very disappointed with the club, big businesses like this shouldn't be allowed do it because they can afford not to, football is a gold mine but that's because of the ordinary Joe soap who spends their money in the clubs, tickets, merch etc . a lot of players have donated money, facilities etc to help out the clubs should follow suit.


25.) 06 Apr 2020 20:31:51
decision has been reversed.


26.) 07 Apr 2020 01:10:05
berg and others - yes I think it is ok. LFC pay millions in taxes that are of direct benefit to the country right now. The scheme is there for businesses to access.

The reaction has been as if LFC reduced wages or cut staff. Not ideal, but way over the top for me.

{Ed002's Note - They are like gods to us all.}


 

 

10 Nov 2019 10:29:17
I keep seeing all this talk of Mbappe and sancho signing in the summer but let’s be realistic, Mbappe would cost over £300m including his astronomical wages and Sancho has recently signed a £190,000 per week long term contract. The player we should be looking at and I’m hoping we are is James Maddison. The more I watch him, the more I’m convinced he would be perfect for our team. I’d go as far as to say he’s been the best attacking midfielder in the league over the past 12 months. He wouldn’t be cheap either but I’m assuming his price and wages would be a lot more affordable than mbappe and sancho.

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about any of these players joining Liverpool.}


1.) 10 Nov 2019 10:57:12
I'm not sure the Maddison thing will happen either, we had the chance to get him from Norwich for sub £20 million.


2.) 10 Nov 2019 13:14:23
Hi mate I agree, Maddison would be an excellent signing.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have no interest in him.}


3.) 10 Nov 2019 14:14:55
If Leicester get top 4, it would be incredibly foolish of Maddison to leave in the summer. For his sake, I hope he stays there instead of ruining his career by going to the talent killers in Man Utd or Arsenal.

{Ed025's Note - dont kid yourself IB ....its all about the money mate..


4.) 10 Nov 2019 16:08:43
Ed025 then that rules out everton lol.

{Ed025's Note - we have money liverbird.....its savvy we dont have mate..


5.) 11 Nov 2019 07:46:15
If savvy is quoted at about £50m im sure everton would put a bid in, Ed025 mate!

{Ed025's Note - you need to pay a lot more than that KK..


 

 

25 Oct 2019 13:47:42
So, now that Liverpool and Nike have officially won in court, can the Ed’s clear up if this will have any affect on transfers over the coming seasons? Will this deal allow Liverpool to attract bigger stars or afford bigger wages etc?

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - It is unrelated to transfers but will provide additional income for the business. That may be used with other income to buy players, but perhaps not the half a Billion pounds worth of rotation players the fans seem certain are en route.}


1.) 25 Oct 2019 15:08:12
Soo your telling me we won’t get Mbappe, Sancho, havertz 2020.


2.) 25 Oct 2019 16:49:11
What do you mean, Southern, we've already signed those players for the next window. The Nike money is for their replacements in June.


3.) 25 Oct 2019 19:10:05
Great deal for the club another masterstroke from the owners and their staff. Running well on and off the field.

Enables Liverpool have better buying power.

Nothing wrong with enthusiasm don't let anyone dampen it.


4.) 25 Oct 2019 19:19:24
Read between the lines mate, ed said not half a billion, so it must be more! Mbappe Sancho haivertz is just the start!


5.) 25 Oct 2019 20:07:44
I've just seen BT Sports made a post. A picture of Mbappe in a Liverpool shirt with 2020 underneath it.
As if we're going to get Mbappe.


6.) 26 Oct 2019 08:13:26
Mbappe will be in the stands on Sunday.


7.) 26 Oct 2019 20:21:51
Not for one minute saying this is going to happen (maybe against the ffp rules now), but didn't a deal nearly come off for Messi to Chelsea with the shirt sponsor's paying a percentage of the fee?


8.) 27 Oct 2019 01:05:57
I mentioned that Nike would be the new kit supplier back in December, the deal with Nike is an excellent one and we are in safe hands, it should significantly boost the clubs revenue if their ideas take off, think NY Yankees and Air Jordan.


9.) 27 Oct 2019 20:14:08
Mbappe is Done. But I think we might need to sell Sadio Mane if we want Roger Federer.


10.) 01 Nov 2019 07:49:03
sure there's a joke in there somewhere about him hitting the net.


 

 

 

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11 Jul 2020 18:02:52
Really don’t think we’ll be watching Keita in a Liverpool next season, if we could get 25-30m for him I would snap your hand off for it! I don’t get the love he’s been getting over the last few weeks, I don’t think he’s been nearly as good as some people are making out.

Take today for example, we were playing well and controlling the midfield, Curtis Jones looked like our most dangerous midfielder and looked most likely to make something happen and as soon as the substitution happened and he was replaced by Keita, we lost all shape in midfield, we were overrun and could have been beaten.

He never looks like he’s putting in 100% and he doesn’t strike me as someone who will grab the game by the scruff of the neck when the chips are down. If he had his head screwed on and was really determined to make it work, he would have learned English when we signed him rather than wait 2 years!

JK_RED

1.) 11 Jul 2020 18:27:21
He played about 18 minutes 🤣.


2.) 11 Jul 2020 18:46:09
There are some fans who no matter what will just never take to a player and I guess Keita is yours
I was like that with hendo for years and now if if doesn’t play I’m not happy at all.


3.) 11 Jul 2020 19:11:09
Gini for me. Can’t see what he adds that someone else couldn’t do a lot better.


4.) 11 Jul 2020 19:14:37
I completely ageee JK_red. Ignore these "holier than thou" super fans who are afraid to say the truth. Keita is a bang average player.

The odd goal/ assist does not make up for his all around game. He is weak, lazy, positionally inept, careless in possession, has no intensity, hides from the ball and runs down blind alleys. Credit where it is due, when he can be bothered he is good at pressing, can thread a pass, and is clearly quite skillful on the ball. I'm not trying to launch a character assassination here, but he has more flaws than a 15 year old FIAT.

Keita has had 2 years and if anything he has regressed. We totally lost the midfield battle today after he came onto the pitch. I'm so disappointed in his attitude since he signed for Liverpool. He's got to be sold in my opinion.


5.) 11 Jul 2020 19:55:37
The truth is he barely featured today to say sell get rid 🤣 nothing about being a super fan pal, just being fair, logical and non reactionary 👍

Keita does need to improve but to say sell off the back of the today is completely unfair. Instantly as keita came on we conceded through no fault of his, so Burnley's tails were up, which explains why Burnley came into the game. But if you want to blame Keita for that solely go for it. Rather be a 'super fan' than someone who looks to pick a scapegoat every time Liverpool don't win a match.


6.) 11 Jul 2020 20:18:15
Post of the day for me mate 100 percent agree with you
Some fans just moan because they can and to pick a scapegoat well for me is pathetic
Win together lose together.


7.) 11 Jul 2020 20:56:03
Why do you assume this is about todays performance? People have been saying to sell up for a while now. He has been here 2 years and he's never fully fit, and he never plays well for more than 10 minutes a month.

He's not good enough. People need to get over it and stop making excuses for a £54m player who's stealing a wage off our club.


8.) 11 Jul 2020 21:46:33
OP, So keita is the one to get the beating now, a guy who only played 18 minutes in a game that we should have won hands down had our chances been taken by our forwards, Salah in particular way before Keita came on. Some LFc fans really do my head in with such posts that make no sense at all. Moaning for the sake of it, is tired and boring. The negativity is deafening here. Sad.


9.) 11 Jul 2020 22:33:34
Basically, if we want to win the title we need better players than were out there today.

What other top team picks our players to start?

(Sarcasm)


10.) 11 Jul 2020 22:43:22
You posted it after the game, and specifically said we totally lost the midfield battle when he came on.

I said in my previous post he needs to improve, no doubt about it, no excuses made for him. He had a hour against Brighton, if people want to pick at that performance fair enough. I don't feel today was anything to go by except make a scapegoat of someone.

Klopp seems to think he's more than a average player and seemingly wants to keep ahold of him. I'm happy enough to trust his judgment.


11.) 11 Jul 2020 23:03:52
Oh dear! Funny he Keita was our best player against Brighton 3 days ago. And had huge hand in both goals and his pressing was brilliant! Support the players who have just won us the league!


12.) 12 Jul 2020 08:37:40
Who needs rival fans then we moan and groan at each other for having opinions. Why can’t we debate on here and allow people to has a say without reverting to you’re not a proper fan high hours bull as an argument all the time.


13.) 12 Jul 2020 10:50:28
Have not seen enough in the two seasons here to convince me he'll ever be at the level. One or two good performances aside it's his lack of effort for me. Somebody mentioned they couldn't take to Henderson at the start but at least he never gave anything less than 100%.

If he played for Utd we'd be rinsing him constantly for being overrated. Sorry but this signing has not worked out.


14.) 12 Jul 2020 12:47:14
Best player against Brighton 🤣 he was terrible after the first 8 minutes!


15.) 12 Jul 2020 12:51:10
Keita hides from the ball? Not the keita I saw. I watched the game without background noise and you could hear Virgil all the way through the game shouting commands, brilliant. And when naby got the ball you could hear Virgil saying "go naby" clearly because along with gini he is a player who can move the midfield forward by 30 yards just by running with it. He was class vs Brighton as he has in many games.

The team has just won the league. None of them should be getting slated. I understand fringe players being discussed in terms of transfers, but keita isn't a fringe player. He plays cl and big pl games. I just don't see why people hate him? Can't work it out. He isn't lazy.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but he is lazy. I agree he doesn't hide from the ball, but he is not working back quickly enough. He leaves gaps. He was far from class v Brighton, he just had a stellar ten minutes at the start. The fact Virgil is having to tell him to go says it all for me. He should be picking it up and driving forward automatically, but he dallies more often than not. The lad is not working out, injured far too often, too many off field issues, and not performing well enough when he does play. We all had high hopes but he is not living up to them at all. That is why everytime there is a must win game, even when he is fit, Klopp sits him on the bench and turns to Gini, Hendo, Milner and Fabinho. Keita is a fringe player, no point denying it, that is exactly what he is. That is why he has featured in 15 Premier League games, rather than 30.}


16.) 12 Jul 2020 17:07:06
It's frustrating ed01. I was so chuffed when we signed him, I thought it would go down as one of our greatest signings. And you see him put in some lovely touches, beats people and its clear the talent is there. I know he hasn't lived up to our expectations. But there is the feeling that he Could and soon. He doesn't work as hard as gini or Hendo, perhaps he has never had to, I guess if he was going to put in the effort he would have done so by now. I just don't want to give up on him, it's like when your mates are telling you your gf is no good and you refuse to believe it. I will come round. Wed take a big loss on him atm though.

{Ed001's Note - I just look at it as it giving Jones a chance to blossom if we get rid. Jones showed more against Burnley than Keita has since joining. And Jones gives his all. I do get what you mean, I would love Keita to step up and prove me wrong. It would be great to see him suddenly working hard for 90 minutes and become integral to the team.}


 

 

10 Jul 2020 17:06:13
Hi eds,

Reading reports that Man City’s 2 year ban is apparently going to be scrapped by the CAS. If so, what is the point of UEFA carrying on with the financial fair play rules when the CAS is going to undermine them and not allow teams to be punished for breaking the rules?

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - I am not really sure that you understand the situation entirely. CAS is not undermining anyone and certainly not saying that teams will not be punished for breaking FFP. Team are punished on a regular basis for all sorts of infractions and perhaps the LIverpool supporters simply don't know about it or don't understand it. CAS will make a statement on Monday. I am not sure what evidence you are aware of that Manchester City have done anything wrong. One would have thought that Liverpool supporters would be more intrested in another CAS appeal that could potentially impact the club - but seemingly not. There have been many posts on various pages (Liverpool, Chelsea etc.) from those making comment and criticising who have not even the basic grasp of the issue - it is obviously embarassing for most to read.}


1.) 10 Jul 2020 20:24:37
What’s embarrassing about it? I only asked. 🙄.

{Ed002's Note - It was not a question - it was an assumption that that something was wrong and the authorities were working outside of the rules. If you don't know why then please ask, but if you don't know then don't make assumptions.}


 

 

09 Jul 2020 23:12:08
I know this is the Liverpool page but wow, Greenwood looks like a real star! I’m gutted he plays for United haha.

JK_RED

1.) 09 Jul 2020 23:40:03
Between Greenwood and the referees giving United a free penalty every game they are going to be unstoppable.


2.) 10 Jul 2020 00:00:22
Refs give them a pen every game an they're still 34 points behind the champs 😊🏆.


3.) 10 Jul 2020 01:10:57
I much preferred ole when they couldn't put 2 wins together. Smugness kinda suits some people (pep maybe and Jose) but it doesn't suit ole at all.

I think utd had suffered a major confidence problem. Living in the shadow of former teams (not unlike us in that way) if they take this form into next season they will, of course, be right up there. On the plus side. Ole will now state he's happy with his team and if they go on another poor run, the fans may lose patience, having seen the fruits of his labour fail. They've had an easy run though recently and 34 points is a world away, it's a league away. I'm not worried about them. It still feels a little fragile at utd to me.

Though rash greenwood martial

Pogba Fernandes matic

Is a good top 6, they should be performing well above this seasons form. Fernandes seems to have walked in and completely turned them around. Some teams have been better than others since the break, it seems to have affected different teams in different ways.

We won 14 games I think by 1 goal this season (so far) if we had not got those winners or held on to our lead that would be 28 points less than our current total. With such fine margins it is possible that things may not fall for us next season. Then again, we are so hard to beat. If lallana is leaving, it'd be nice to see us sign another AM. Just for that option. I know we play a different way, but these boys have all played in teams and formations that incorporated an AM or creative mid, klopp has worked with creative mids and been successful. It can't hurt to have the option. Or a solid CM who is a 90+ passer of the ball. Can you imagine the damage mane salah, Robbo and Trent would do? But Robbo and Trent are able to get forward because our midfield covers, grafts, tackles and harries. (I'm talking myself out of this) I'm guessing curtis Jones will step into lallana's role. I'm really looking forward to seeing more of him. Every time he plays he seems to be involved in/ or scoring a goal.


4.) 10 Jul 2020 04:49:57
I was just messaging my mate saying I wish our academy produced goal scorers like Rashford and Greenwood. Blasphemous I know!
Maybe we have one in Brewster!

{Ed0666's Note - Gerard, Owen and Fowler say hello mate.


 

 

05 Apr 2020 04:37:49
Absolutely disgraceful that Liverpool have furloughed non playing staff. This is exactly the point I was trying to make yesterday about the greed of the football club owners. First spurs and now LFC, 2 of the biggest clubs in England.

JK_RED

1.) 05 Apr 2020 12:34:27
Spurs are not a big club and at this rate, never will be and owning a state of the art stadium won't change that. I do agree that what they and LFC did here is disgraceful.


 

 

02 Apr 2020 20:56:59
Seen a lot of outrage today about premier league players being paid full wages while non playing staff are being furloughed and rightly so, it is disgraceful! However, what I haven’t seen much of, is anybody calling the club owners out, the ridicule seems to be aimed mainly at the players.

While I do get it, the majority of premier league players aren’t going to miss 50% of their wage, the point is, they shouldn’t really have to take a pay cut! The majority of the owners in the premier league are billionaires or at the very least multi millionaires who I’m sure could afford to pay both the players and staff for a couple of months!

I’m not saying players shouldn’t lower their wages by the way. If the owners are refusing to pay non-playing staff their full wage, then the players should 100% take some sort of pay cut but I don’t think the blame should be aimed solely at the players in this situation!

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - Why would you want to blame club owners. What about the clubs that have been discussing restructuring the wages with players. Don’t you think you should be better informed before making accusations like this?}


1.) 02 Apr 2020 21:23:27
Not really an accusation, more of an observation. Club owners should be able to afford to pay staff wages without having to furlough the non playing staff.

{Ed002's Note - In many cases owners are not that close to the situation - I would not leap to make any suggestions about them without being far better informed.}


2.) 02 Apr 2020 21:35:59
Not that close to the situation? Is it not the owner’s responsibility to make sure his employees are paid? I’m not trying to be difficult here, just not understanding the point you’re trying to make.

{Ed002's Note - The clubs largely run themselves perfectly well. It is unrelated to the owners.}


3.) 02 Apr 2020 21:41:04
OP, Owners own the clubs. They don't RUN them. They hire people to do that, clearly. LFC is owned by FSG BUT they do not intervene in the day to day affairs of the club like transfers, contracts, player personel movement and wage structuring and all that. If LFC sign a player, the transaction is done by Liverpool Football Club and that is it. Asking owners to step into club affairs of this kind is the very thing owners should not even think about doing and many of them, don't.


4.) 03 Apr 2020 00:45:07
The people the fans and the employees won't forget if the super rich players, managers and directors don't take a financial hit to pay the backroom staff their full salaries

My household is looking at a 40% hit in net income, and we sure as hell aren't rich.

{Ed002's Note - Maybe with no knowledge of what the Liverpool owners, coaches and players are doing you should head down the traditional route of hate groups on social media, spraying abuse on the stadium - perhaps a small fire. Why not take out the new training facilty with some pertrol bombs? Really teach Klopp and the players a favour.

Still spewing hate.}


 

 

 

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09 Jun 2020 00:38:14
I’m so sorry Thunderbird, we must be lying about reading it if you haven’t seen it!

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05 Apr 2020 16:38:57
g1dgo, I don’t think I’m going overboard at all, the governments 80% furlough scheme was set up for businesses who genuinely couldn’t afford to pay their staff during this crisis, not for football clubs who posted profits of over £40m! It’s just plain wrong and if you can’t see that, I can’t help you pal!

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13 Dec 2019 13:39:48
To be fair ed001, regarding your point of him being at his best when we sat back, the majority of the teams we face, particularly in the league tend to sit back for large portions of the game. I think on of the only problems we’ve had over the last couple of seasons is breaking down teams who sit back and this lad could be the final piece in the jigsaw!

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13 Dec 2019 13:35:46
Walter, have a day off would you! Klopp is easily the best Liverpool manager of my lifetime! I would be interested to hear why you don’t like him? I’m guessing you haven’t got any valid reasons, you just like to moan!

JK_RED

 

 

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23 Apr 2019 16:57:26
Whether klopp said he would play him or not, when the player was not up to the standard required, he was loaned out! What is Klopp supposed to do? Carry on playing him even though he’s not good enough? If he had stepped up and improved, he would have played! You seem to have a personal vendetta against klopp and Liverpool.

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - Klopp is a compulsive liar - there have been numerous examples like this, try not to make pitiful excuses - it is very embarrassing. I appreciate you don’t want the truth. Klopp is a liar and a cheat.}


 

 

 

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11 Jul 2020 21:53:01
My post was not solely about today, he’s been a Liverpool player now for 2 years and I can not remember him putting together 5 consecutive good performances?

Everyone saying he needs time to improve, how long are we supposed to hang on waiting for him to turn into this amazing player you all think he is going to be? Are we supposed to just let his contract run down to where we can’t cash in on him?

I’m my opinion he is never going to be good enough, he’s not strong enough, not technical enough and he simply doesn’t try hard enough!

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02 Apr 2020 21:35:59
Not that close to the situation? Is it not the owner’s responsibility to make sure his employees are paid? I’m not trying to be difficult here, just not understanding the point you’re trying to make.

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - The clubs largely run themselves perfectly well. It is unrelated to the owners.}


 

 

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02 Apr 2020 21:23:27
Not really an accusation, more of an observation. Club owners should be able to afford to pay staff wages without having to furlough the non playing staff.

JK_RED

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23 Feb 2020 09:55:05
I don’t get why he would have to be a replacement for one of the front 3? We have spent the last 2 seasons rotating the midfield 3, why can’t we do the same with the front 3? We could play over 60 games a season in all comps and need the options to rotate!

JK_RED

{Ed047's Note - it’s called resting on your laurels when you don’t do things like that.

The important thing is not to do it again and believe or think that none of your players are irreplaceable.

That’s when you end up with 30yrs without a title.


 

 

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29 Dec 2019 20:57:35
Tjred, I did not say change the rules, I said the interpretation of the rule needs to change. The offside law was not brought in to be used this way, it was brought in so the striker could not stand behind the defence and have the ball pumped over, therefore gaining an advantage. If you believe that a striker who is standing 1cm behind the defender has enough of an advantage for a goal to be ruled out, you must hate the enjoyment of the game!

JK_RED