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10 Nov 2019 10:29:17
I keep seeing all this talk of Mbappe and sancho signing in the summer but let’s be realistic, Mbappe would cost over £300m including his astronomical wages and Sancho has recently signed a £190,000 per week long term contract. The player we should be looking at and I’m hoping we are is James Maddison. The more I watch him, the more I’m convinced he would be perfect for our team. I’d go as far as to say he’s been the best attacking midfielder in the league over the past 12 months. He wouldn’t be cheap either but I’m assuming his price and wages would be a lot more affordable than mbappe and sancho.

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about any of these players joining Liverpool.}


1.) 10 Nov 2019 10:57:12
I'm not sure the Maddison thing will happen either, we had the chance to get him from Norwich for sub £20 million.


2.) 10 Nov 2019 13:14:23
Hi mate I agree, Maddison would be an excellent signing.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have no interest in him.}


3.) 10 Nov 2019 14:14:55
If Leicester get top 4, it would be incredibly foolish of Maddison to leave in the summer. For his sake, I hope he stays there instead of ruining his career by going to the talent killers in Man Utd or Arsenal.

{Ed025's Note - dont kid yourself IB ....its all about the money mate..


4.) 10 Nov 2019 16:08:43
Ed025 then that rules out everton lol.

{Ed025's Note - we have money liverbird.....its savvy we dont have mate..


5.) 11 Nov 2019 07:46:15
If savvy is quoted at about £50m im sure everton would put a bid in, Ed025 mate!

{Ed025's Note - you need to pay a lot more than that KK..


 

 

25 Oct 2019 13:47:42
So, now that Liverpool and Nike have officially won in court, can the Ed’s clear up if this will have any affect on transfers over the coming seasons? Will this deal allow Liverpool to attract bigger stars or afford bigger wages etc?

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - It is unrelated to transfers but will provide additional income for the business. That may be used with other income to buy players, but perhaps not the half a Billion pounds worth of rotation players the fans seem certain are en route.}


1.) 25 Oct 2019 15:08:12
Soo your telling me we won’t get Mbappe, Sancho, havertz 2020.


2.) 25 Oct 2019 16:49:11
What do you mean, Southern, we've already signed those players for the next window. The Nike money is for their replacements in June.


3.) 25 Oct 2019 19:10:05
Great deal for the club another masterstroke from the owners and their staff. Running well on and off the field.

Enables Liverpool have better buying power.

Nothing wrong with enthusiasm don't let anyone dampen it.


4.) 25 Oct 2019 19:19:24
Read between the lines mate, ed said not half a billion, so it must be more! Mbappe Sancho haivertz is just the start!


5.) 25 Oct 2019 20:07:44
I've just seen BT Sports made a post. A picture of Mbappe in a Liverpool shirt with 2020 underneath it.
As if we're going to get Mbappe.


6.) 26 Oct 2019 08:13:26
Mbappe will be in the stands on Sunday.


7.) 26 Oct 2019 20:21:51
Not for one minute saying this is going to happen (maybe against the ffp rules now), but didn't a deal nearly come off for Messi to Chelsea with the shirt sponsor's paying a percentage of the fee?


8.) 27 Oct 2019 01:05:57
I mentioned that Nike would be the new kit supplier back in December, the deal with Nike is an excellent one and we are in safe hands, it should significantly boost the clubs revenue if their ideas take off, think NY Yankees and Air Jordan.


9.) 27 Oct 2019 20:14:08
Mbappe is Done. But I think we might need to sell Sadio Mane if we want Roger Federer.


10.) 01 Nov 2019 07:49:03
sure there's a joke in there somewhere about him hitting the net.


 

 

17 Jul 2019 00:44:54
The coutinho rumours don’t seem to be going away and seem to be gaining traction on social media and with various media outlets.

This isn’t a question of would you have him back or if he fits the system, I’m just curious if there has been any contact at all between Liverpool and Barcelona or coutinho’s agent?

JK_RED

1.) 17 Jul 2019 06:19:21
There will always be rumours when gullible people are willing to believe them.


2.) 17 Jul 2019 08:24:20
Would definitely have him back, we're looking a creative versatile attacking mid. he knows how we play, he knows the system, knows the club. He made mistakes in how he left, not that he did leave, that was his dream to play for Barca, fair enough. You live and learn. To have those goals back, and the assists he'd get playing with our front 3. We'd soon forget and forgive
HOWEVER, do I think he will come back, not even the slightest chance.

{Ed001's Note - we've changed the way we play since he went, so he doesn't. People make up ridiculous reasons to want him back.}


3.) 17 Jul 2019 08:31:10
I'm curious now to be fair. Have the Ed's or anyone heard of any actual contact between us and Barcelona over a potential move back?


4.) 17 Jul 2019 08:43:36
I don't think Barcelona will loan him when there is a chance to sell him and as it seems they need cash desperately. It doesn't make sense a loan move unless we are actually interested and Coutinho makes it clear that he will not move anywhere elese but Liverpool.


5.) 17 Jul 2019 10:14:48
So just to relay what I have heard the apparent 2 year loan with an 88mil option to but is basically a way for Barcelona to cut their losses and not have to pay us any kore money for Phil because they still owe us. you guessed it 88mil from the original deal the loan is a good way of protecting them selves from any added bonuses the would have to pay should he stay at them and they have any success. As for coming back he’s a very overrated player but he did do a lot at us with a lot of pressure on his shoulders I for one think he would do a great job in our midfield add some goals and play without pressure knowing he doesn’t need to carry us. If he does go missing from time to time wich he did we are more than capable of allowing for that in game with the rest of the quality we have.


6.) 17 Jul 2019 10:27:08
Coutinho will NOT be coming back to Liverpool this window. Sorry. I’m not ITK I just know. Would represent terrible business for the club depending on what we’ve already received from Barca. Can’t see Edwards pushing this one. I’d let it go lads. As Ed says our system doesn’t suit him anymore. He’d have to seriously adapt and I don’t think it’s in his locker. I reckon he’ll end up at PSG as part of the Neymar deal.


7.) 17 Jul 2019 10:40:20
No thanks Phil. You made your bed, now you sleep in it.


8.) 17 Jul 2019 11:33:50
Ed1 I guess we have yes but not massively. he would know what is expected of him.
I'm not one for actually wanting him back, just that if he were to come back, I'd get over it and he'd definitely be a good option. He's a talented player and showed a bit more defensively too in his final years with us.
All hypothetical, he's not coming back, and he wouldn't even start most games for me. Front 3 don't get moved. And ox and Kieta get games in attacking mid.

{Ed001's Note - it has been a major change actually.}


9.) 17 Jul 2019 11:46:51
He wouldn't fit us, would he? Not enough pace to play on the wing, not enough work rate to play in midfield. Suppose if Klopp wants to experiment with 4321 again he might get a look in, but that didn't turn out so well last season, so why would he? PC is a decent player, just not for us.


10.) 17 Jul 2019 11:48:44
Again IF Klopp wants him back, IF, I'm sure he has a plan of how and where he use him. For me personally if it happens or not I'm not overly bothered either way.


11.) 17 Jul 2019 13:07:45
I think you will see Coutinho back with us for 2 reasons, 1) he adds creativity into the attacking midfield, something we haven't replaced, 2) Barcelona still owe us £88 million and they cannot afford to pay that fee to us with their transfer plans. I have seen rumour of a 2 year loan with an option to buy for, wait for it, £88 million. We pick up his wages and then write of the debt after 2 years.
Considering the guy knows the club and most the players it would be a move that adds something to the squad for very little money.


12.) 17 Jul 2019 13:32:05
It wouldn't be for "very little money". It would be for £88 million which is a hell of a lot of money.

We have moved on. We have improved. He is not what we need and I genuinely don't think there is any interest from us what so ever.

If you read the transcript of what his agent said during his interview he said there is no interest.

Lets just forgot Pipco and move on.

Red Sandman.


13.) 17 Jul 2019 13:38:17
Honestly think he is going to PSG swap deal with Neymar and a lot of cash.


14.) 17 Jul 2019 13:41:54
Funster70 and Weston90 posting almost exactly the same post, that's just lazy whoever you are!

How do all these people know how much Barcelona still owe Liverpool?


15.) 17 Jul 2019 15:15:27
Seen a video of him and Bobby which looks like celebrations and congratulations, for someone you've spent the last 2 weeks with while playing for your country, you don't give him a welcome like that.


16.) 17 Jul 2019 15:26:30
Sorry I'm not buying this "they owe us 88 million" BS.

What is the basis of this number? Did someone hack into Mike Gordon's laptop?

Sold more than one and a half years ago, so why would Barcelona have paid less than half of what he supposedly went for? Since when were transfers paid out over five years?

A Twitter troll came up with this and everybody's taking it as gospel . . .

{Ed001's Note - to be fair, no transfer is ever paid in full up front, they are always paid over time. The 88m is nonsense though and includes possible add ons which they would not have to pay if he leaves anyway.}


17.) 17 Jul 2019 15:44:20
Ed001 please tell me there is absolutely zero chance and zero interest Klopp has in bringing him back? Then can we not let anymore posts on him come through please.

{Ed001's Note - I have already said that, Kia Joorabchian has said it, I am not sure why people are still going on about it. It is sad how some people just can't let go.}


18.) 17 Jul 2019 15:58:08
Andy and Ed, agree 100%, our system has changed completely to using a hard grafting midfield to control things, and then the attacking threat coming from our wide forwards and use of the fullbacks. We don’t use a classic playmaker like City do, and we were all the more robust defensively for it last season.

I don’t see this obsession with Coutinho, he’s a decent player but we’d have to change our system to accomodate him and I don’t see us doing that (just like Shaqiri has struggle to fit our style of play apart from the odd game) and its a very expensive move to make if we’re only going to use him in the odd game to unlock stubborn defenses. I’d rather us Ox and Keita thanks.


19.) 17 Jul 2019 18:34:33
I wouldn’t be relying on Ox for anything SGRed, he’s one injury away from disaster.
And people saying Coutinho has become a poor player, he’s had a better season than Keita’s had for us.


20.) 17 Jul 2019 19:28:07
It’s a no from me. There are equally as good attacking midfielders around who have more mileage left in the tank than Coutinho and who would also be better value than what Barcelona want, and also let’s not forget how he left. Personally I can’t see how his back would pass a medical.


21.) 17 Jul 2019 19:30:43
I don’t think Coutinho’s a poor player, he just not longer fits the way we play right now.

We rely on midfielders that can control the game, prevent counterattacks and cover the fullbacks, allowing them to push forward and create dangerous positions and assists. It’s no coiincidence that Trent and Robbo broke all sorts of records last year. Yet we remained solidly defensively precisely because we use the likes of Gini, Hendo, Milner, Keita instead of the likes of Coutinho.

Playing Coutinho would disrupt the balance to the side unless we changed our shape, and I don’t think Klopp will be doing that very often, hence he’d be a very expensive plan B.

Id rather we went for someone like Cornet, who while not as good as Coutinho, would allow us to rest our wingers and replace with a like for like style goal scoring winger without disrupting the shape of the side.

As for Ox and Keita, I’m confident one or both will do well in midfield this season and they’ll definitely add more goals.


22.) 17 Jul 2019 20:21:54
ed001 I don't care if he comes or not. But like you said we have changed the way we play we seem a lot more controlled now rather than the frantic way we first played under we have a lot more control over games. So I do think the way we play now would suit him more. But I don't think we should go back more than anything it sends the wrong message out after the way he acted to get his move. But if he comes he will add more quality to are squad and he can play wide left or the number 10 role so I won't moan and will cheer him on when ever I get to get to the match.


23.) 17 Jul 2019 22:33:51
To say that PC wouldn't fit our system is a little ignorant imo. we drew 7 games last year and lost several in Europe. If we'd changed system in some of those games and had Phil I've no doubt doubt we'd of won a few the lad was world class at liverpool like him or not. Lfc would be lucky to have home back.


24.) 18 Jul 2019 04:02:36
SGRed you hit the nail on the head there I agree with you completely.

Coutinho in our midfield weakens us, everybody is calling for him to sign to play in midfield, he only ever played there 4 or 5 times for us and mostly struggled. He was and still is a left sided forward, he's never shown any form as a central playing midfielder in the past. For me he'd only be backup to mane on the left currently in our strongest 11, and at his age with transfer fee and huge wages it would be bad business for us.


25.) 18 Jul 2019 09:18:20
IF he comes back he definitely wouldn't be first choice in my opinion, regardless of what he's done though i wouldn't have him back. we proved when he was at the club that we are a better team without him, he unblances our mojo.


26.) 18 Jul 2019 18:37:28
He and Dembele have been offered to PSG as part of the Neymar deal so rule them out moving here.


27.) 18 Jul 2019 20:35:32
Guys I hadn't been on the site for many reasons which I won't go into, but must stress to those people wanting Coutinho back.
Do not forget that since he left OFF we changed our style and for TWo seasons since have been in Champions League final. There is no doubt, we are a better team without him. I love him as a player, but that boat has sadly sailed. Let's move on eh?


28.) 19 Jul 2019 13:17:45
His agent has said he is not coming to LFC and Ed has said it won't happen and that the so called "88m they owes us" is complete dross. Moral of the story: Stop arguing over a non-point/ non issue and move on with your lives.


 

 

08 Jun 2019 14:36:55
Hi Ed’s,

I know you’re probably sick of hearing his name but apparently Liverpool have today bid for Pepe of Lille. I think it was ed001 who said we were definitely interested but do any of the Ed’s know if it’s gone further than just interest and have we in fact bid for the player?

Thanks.

JK_RED

{Ed001's Note - I don't know sorry, I haven't heard of anything today.}


1.) 08 Jun 2019 15:39:27
Seems weird we would go for Pepe considering he is a right winger who plays similar to Salah, with how much he would cost and having shaqiri, Wilson (probably will leave) and Chamberlain that can play right wing.
Would make more sense going for someone that can play all across the front line, not just one side of it.


2.) 08 Jun 2019 16:32:51
Unless he is replaceing Salah.


3.) 08 Jun 2019 18:37:10
People here said it was funny to go for salah a rw at roma when we had mane playing rw. Trust the transfer guys at the club, they have earned it.


4.) 09 Jun 2019 17:33:34
Mane was lw before coming to Liverpool, Salah and Pepe both play rw, if we want someone who can rotate with the front three then Pepe is not the player to get.

{Ed001's Note - Mane played on the right mainly for Saints and RB Salzburg.}


5.) 09 Jun 2019 18:14:12
I worded that wrong, but yes he played both RW and LW, were as Salah and Pepe just play RW.

{Ed001's Note - both have also played up front.}


6.) 09 Jun 2019 19:14:03
What I'm trying to get at is that I think we need a player who is just as comfortable playing LW as well as RW/ striker.


7.) 10 Jun 2019 00:56:46
Sometimes we get over fixated on positions and roles players fill. Salah played 10 or 15 times through the middle. Firmino isn't a natural no.9. Mane played right most of his career but is playing his best ball on the left, also showed he can play centrally. Point is, when we attack our front 3 are excellent at interchanging and roaming with unpredictably. So mane of manes goals have been within 10 yards attacking central areas. We never play with rigid structure so any forward with versatility is helpful. Ed mentions pepe can only play right, if that's the case I'd avoid him. Shaqiri and salah looks like they can't play left and origi was always our only option that side and he's better centrally. Pepe makes no sense if he is in the same boat. I'd love Felipe Anderson as perfect fit but that's not going to happen. Cornet seems a sensible choice and I'd imagine if our interest is serious our scouts are confident. I have full trust in our recruitment policies right now.


 

 

04 Jan 2019 00:34:46
A lot of talk about Timo Werner although I can’t see that happening as I doubt he would move unless he had some sort of assurance regarding game time which we can not give. While I would love it to happen and rotate the front 3 when needed, I really can’t see it happening.

JK_RED

1.) 04 Jan 2019 05:54:31
Why can't you see it happening? If Klopp rates him highly enough, and the rumour that he is available for a mere 36mil is true, then I don't see why we cannot get him in. The way it is going, we're going to let Origi, Solanke and Sturridge leave or go on loan. The front 3 can't be starting each match as well. So, some form of rotation is needed to keep them fresh.

Whether or not he chooses our club is another matter but I feel we should at least try to get his signature. As much as I love our front 3, but it will be nice if we can mix things up a bit and add some quality in our attack as well as have different formations to confuse our opponents.


2.) 04 Jan 2019 08:00:55
We need cover for injuries and dips in form. adding more quality to the squad is never a bad thing.


3.) 04 Jan 2019 09:03:50
It’s not happening guys as Klopp is not interested in him. Ed’s has dismissed him arriving, a player we have shown zero interest in what so ever. Also why would he move to sit on the bench. Not happening.


4.) 04 Jan 2019 10:40:52
The reason our front 3 start majority of games and don’t get replaced by Sturridge/ Origi until very late in games is because Klopp doesn’t fully trust the replacements. It was similar with last years midfield but now they are getting ample game time (except Kieta) . Bobby had a drop in form this season and Mane tends to pick up knocks now and again. Salah’s shoulder injury came in our last game of the season last year so if at any other time we could have been in big trouble. The club will average about 45-60 games a season and 4 quality forwards vying for 3 positions will get plenty of minutes of football. It might not be Werner we’re after but another quality forward would not only strengthen us but take the pressure off the front 3. If we lost 1 to a long term injury it would be bad but imagine if we lost 2 of them for any amount of time it would be catastrophic.


5.) 04 Jan 2019 12:02:00
If Timo wants the move then it will happen.


6.) 04 Jan 2019 13:12:18
KingCarlos he doesn’t want the move though mate. We are again just hoping and praying we sign a player who is available but the fact is we have shown no interest in him what so ever.


7.) 04 Jan 2019 13:33:12
DAPred, I just told you why I don’t see it happening, he will want guaranteed game time, and Klopp willl not give him any guarantees.


8.) 04 Jan 2019 17:31:55
Has Timo not already stated he would preder a move to United or is that just old news?


 

 

 

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30 Dec 2019 17:42:23
I’m sick of hearing all this bullsh*t about how it will be a tainted title win if we win the league. We’ve had quite a few decisions go against us this season from VAR but we’ve just been too good and won the matches anyway. It’s interesting nobody looks back on any of Uniteds title wins when they scoring so many last minute goals in the 7 minutes of fergie time that was added on to the end of every game if they needed a goal! It’s absolutely ridiculous. If/ when we win the title this season, it’s will be well deserved, we’ve been nothing short of sensational this season and it’s not because of VAR!

JK_RED

1.) 30 Dec 2019 18:00:57
Ignore it mate, as it stands, Southampton, United and Brighton have all benefited more from VAR than Liverpool. We’re on the same par as Leicester and Bournemouth.

{Ed047's Note - I’m not a Liverpool fan and even I can’t believe the utter garbage being said.

You’ve got to be a complete muppet to use that as some lame excuse and at the same time not appreciate how good you are.


2.) 30 Dec 2019 18:03:35
Exactly JK RED, this is a team that is 13 points clear, unbeaten and destroyed their nearest challengers Leicester and Man City recently. Ignore VAR controversy as Liverpool are top on merit and are currently the best team in world football. We have also had our fair share of injuries, but I keep reading how lucky we have been there too.


3.) 30 Dec 2019 18:06:58
Never heard anything so stupid why would any red entertain rubbish like that? There's a lot of fans that hate Liverpool and will say anything they can to get a rise out of us, all it means is they're desperate because all the taunting about never winning the prem is all but over, I can't wait to see hendo lift that crown, there's a long way to go points wise but I just know that this group of players will keep their levels up and even better them at the business end, enjoy it lads, enjoy the sour bitter crying from haters too its like music!


4.) 30 Dec 2019 18:29:50
Perhaps what should considered is not so much how Liverpool have benefitted but how much incorrect referring decisions could have cost us. Take yesterday for example, Liverpool would have had a perfectly good goal ruled out and wolves would have had what was, at best, a dubious right decision given for them. Liverpool could have lost that 1-0.

{Ed025's Note - the referees association and the pundits of TV would not allow that to happen hopeful, they would have had the game replayed or played on until liverpool won...liverpool losing is not in the script mate.. :)


5.) 30 Dec 2019 18:53:46
If they say that the title is tainted then almost all the league titles are tainted as all the league title holders would have get benefit of doubt. With reply its easy to check whether a team good a advantage. VAR has created controversy absolutely. Its like earlier, all the decisions will get cancelled out. Just like Firmino counted as offside, wolves player was counted offside. But they all choose to see what they want to see. You can't have rational arguments with them.


6.) 30 Dec 2019 18:58:14
Jesus Christ Ed025 give it a rest mate. We are clear at the top because we deserve to be and are the best team so far this year! Not because we’ve had a few VAR decisions for and against us. The agenda is absolute bull and to be quite honest pathetic.

{Ed025's Note - you do deserve to win the league virgil i have never disputed that, but you have rode your luck a bit you have to agree, i hope your well mate as the weather is warming up a bit and the snowflakes are starting to melt.. :)


7.) 30 Dec 2019 18:58:26
I couldn’t agree more JK it’s just bitter fans looking for excuses. Ed47 is absolutely right only a muppet would say there’s some kind of biase towards Liverpool. Who was the blue muppet? Perhaps Ed25 should be called Gonzo from now on?

{Ed025's Note - i have never been called a muppet before BP, plenty of other names though including..adonis and george clooney.. :)


8.) 30 Dec 2019 19:05:05
Don't forget Mane's goal rule out against Watford.
They don't see it, I must ignore them.


9.) 30 Dec 2019 19:16:29
It's used as a tool to deflect away from the failings of their own clubs plain and simple. If it helps them sleep at night, i sleep very well knowing we are the best in the land by far i must say 😉.


10.) 30 Dec 2019 19:41:22
Let’s hope it clears up all the melts Ed025! TheUnbearablereds I think your correct in saying that tbh, I think they must go along the lines of slating us for not winning the league in 30years to trying to find excuses when we look like winning it mate. Worse thing is for me I get lost grief of Fans who have never won anything lol.

{Ed025's Note - we all have to give and take a bit of stick virgil, its all fair game mate and when we win the league next year i expect i will get pelters on these boards and thats fine me old mucker.. :)


11.) 30 Dec 2019 20:46:42
Dry your eyes ed 25.
You are like a broken record.

{Ed025's Note - i have never been called a record breaker before mate...cheers..


12.) 30 Dec 2019 20:59:52
George Clooney Ed? More like Boy George! 👍.

{Ed025's Note - i can only tell you the truth BP.. :)


13.) 30 Dec 2019 20:59:55
Why worry about it the goals that were disallowed for offside have been because they were offside whether it be by a millimetre or by a foot. As for all the other decisions plenty of decisions have gone against us. I think you'll find its fans who have been disappointed by their own teams performances and want to detract from that. 25 plus points ahead of teams like spurs man u arsenal etc isn't down to VAR.


14.) 30 Dec 2019 21:07:06
Stg if they’re saying this year is tainted then every year since football began is an irrelevance. This season we are having refs incorrect decisions leading to goals corrected and offsides analysed to centimetres. If anything this is the first year that you could claim the league isn’t tainted. Referees errors that have decided games since the year dot but this year for the first time ever, that is being corrected.


15.) 30 Dec 2019 21:14:13
Hi guys forget the haters its our season im sure the same was being said about man city chelsea etc when they were winning it, its just been so long since we did it we forgot what it feels like for rival fans to be jealous.

Ed 25 btw your no muppet your pure class your the best entertainment when the wifes working nights. 😅 keep up the banter i love it.

{Ed025's Note - its getting harder andy with all the snowflakes on here, a lot of them dont do banter mate....they must be a real bundle of fun in the pub.. :)


16.) 30 Dec 2019 21:27:14
Liverpool have as much to say about VAR or it’s implementation as the other clubs, wich is nothing. People saying that Liverpool will win the league because of VAR are journalists trying to sell their rags or fans of other clubs making up excuses, just ignore them and enjoy the ride. Happy fishing for red fish mr. 0025 I’m sure you’ll get a catch 😉.

{Ed025's Note - i dont even need a maggot baker.. :)


17.) 30 Dec 2019 21:50:07
Why do people get so wound up. If I thought it was tainted I'd perhaps get wound up but it isn't so why bother what other jealous fans think. Besides nothing is tainted yet because we haven't won it. Three points at a time boys.

Also, when these so called bad decisions go against us our do something about it. Ie Aston Villa.

Other teams cry about.

That's the difference. Mentality giants.


18.) 30 Dec 2019 21:39:24
I’m sure you have one of those Ed025 lol. You are a wind up merchant mate. It’s all good fun mate and banter is good. I must admit I read some of your comments and I can usually bite my tongue or have another mince pie, but sometimes I bite lol. You are very good at fishing mate. A credit to ya. I hope we can push you all the way next year.

{Ed025's Note - i may have to pack it in virgil as im running out of tumbleweed, a lot of guys are far too serious and would not smile if they saw a chair walk mate, i get fed up with all the...who are we going to sign? and are we interested in so and so brigade and so i tend to keep it lively with a bit of friendly banter, i get that its not always appreciated but i just cant help myself...if i see an open door i tend to walk through it, ahh well maybe ill just see how things go my friend.. :)


19.) 30 Dec 2019 21:40:47
Lol tell me about ed25 im frozen more than the artic so keep it flowing! Ps im delighted u guys got ancelotti hopefully he gets u back on right track if anyone can help it will be him be good to see both colours on Merseyside
Dominating the beautiful game again!

{Ed025's Note - hopefully that will happen andy and the stick can be a two way street mate...cheers..


20.) 30 Dec 2019 21:41:22
Sorry 25, it’s boilies if you want the real bigguns like me :-) ) ) ) )

{Ed025's Note - try casting with VAR drogie...you get some whoppers mate.. :)


21.) 30 Dec 2019 21:45:01
Must be like Mackerel fishing 25, drop your line in and get 6 instant bites.
I'm a red thru and thru but you always put a smile on my face when I read your comments.
Keep it up!

{Ed025's Note - i think life is far too hard to be miserable all the time jonesy, people take the game far too seriously and get offended far too easily mate..


22.) 30 Dec 2019 21:59:11
That’s because we’re reds, unlike the blues we prefer shiny things to maggots mr. 0025. I wish you a fine evening, it was nice conversing to you.

{Ed025's Note - you too baker mate..


23.) 30 Dec 2019 22:09:32
Ed25 if I saw a chair walk, not sure Usain Bolt would catch me.


24.) 30 Dec 2019 22:09:38
I hope the moaning about Liverpool getting favourable decisions carries on for years to come. I was always bemoaning decisions United got under Whisky nose but no one says knocking us off our perch was tainted as a result. ( League titles ) Everyone moaning means they’re scared. Now I want to go the rest of the season unbeaten with over 100 points so we can rob Arsenal and City of their titles and become the invincible centurions. Imagine winning all our remaining games. United could sing a song about how they ruined our perfect season😂 YNWA.

{Ed025's Note - fergie time has been replaced by vargate scoot, its a jealousy thing mate and its only to be expected, im trying my best to be happy for you...but i have to say its bloody hard.. :)


25.) 30 Dec 2019 22:20:52
Ed0025
Dont you dare change a thing. You are hysterical. People need to understand about ball busting. Take it and give it, nothing personal
Happy New Year Everyone
Matt in FL.

{Ed025's Note - i wish everyone had our sense of humour matt, people take themselves far too seriously these days mate and thats why the days of reds and blues having a pint and a laugh together after the game is a thing of the past..


26.) 30 Dec 2019 22:24:05
I actually love my carp fishing 25, so when the session is tough I might just throw a bit of VAR into my mix ;-) )

{Ed025's Note - put some in your ground bait drogie...you will catch a whale mate.. :)


27.) 30 Dec 2019 22:47:33
Ed25 I’m hoping Ancelotti has the same impact for yous as Klopp as had for us and Merseyside has the two best teams in the league again. I’ve seen far too much of the Manchester superiority with London breaking the trend in short spells. Let’s bring the 80s back. Merseyside Merseyside.

{Ed025's Note - im all for that scoot, my best memories as a supporter was the two finals at wembley in the 80,s, going down on the train reds and blues alike and taking over the pubs and not a hint of bother mate, halcyon days indeed..


28.) 30 Dec 2019 23:00:58
Ed025 what I really like about Ancelotti is his ability to make a tactical change. Newcastle went route 1 with Andy Carroll the other day and took complete control of the game. He threw Fabian on and straight away you started winning the second ball and wrestled control back. I wasn’t sure it’d work at first as they were completely bypassing the midfield but work it did. I was well impressed. Long way to go of course but the early signs are promising.

{Ed025's Note - his game management is superb scoot but its not a quick fix and we all have to show some patience mate, we still need to replace quite a few players but if anyone can steer us to better things its carlo..


29.) 30 Dec 2019 23:18:00
Ed025 I've got your back me ole mucka.

{Ed025's Note - i would not expect anything else from you barry mate..cheers..


30.) 31 Dec 2019 09:58:44
This place would be the poorer without your banter Ed25 - always remember the motto ‘never let a good friendship get in the way of a good joke’.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely SG, i wish everyone had your attitude mate..


31.) 31 Dec 2019 10:14:36
I thought you looked like Rosemary Clooney, 025?


32.) 31 Dec 2019 11:02:42
Lads everyone does it about any club that is successful! It's our childish little way of making ourselves feel better about it.

With Utd it was always Fergie time, Howard Webb etc. With Chelsea and City it was buying the league. With us now its VAR. And if Everton are ever successful who knows what excuse we can come up with!

People need to learn to laugh it off it comes with success.


33.) 31 Dec 2019 15:21:07
Ed025, I'm afraid that I am guilty of taking banter too seriously. I apologize to you and all of the eds for that.


 

 

29 Dec 2019 19:31:22
Ignore everything I said yesterday about VAR, it’s brilliant 😂😂

Seriously though, all jokes aside, it’s another dreadful decision. It was right in terms of he was technically marginally ahead of the defender but something needs to be done about the criteria regarding offside. These decisions cannot be 100% accurate and we’re talking about centimetres. Do any of the Ed’s know if the FA are looking to change the criteria any time soon?

JK_RED

1.) 29 Dec 2019 19:42:05
Another decision to add to many, many bad ones. We got the luck of the draw today, we may not tomorrow, it's really poor how it is used. The one in the City game (regarding referees interference) was even worse, and shows how VAR seems to be about backing up a referee more than getting a decision right. Completely broken system, and making the game a whole lot worse as a result.

{Ed025's Note - your spot on seano mate..


2.) 29 Dec 2019 19:42:09
That's the thing, the decision was right but it's wrong according to fans as we feel he should be classed as onside. Therefore it's the interpretation that needs to change I. e. clear and obvious or stick with the lineo, surely it's not that difficult. No need for lines, it doesn't help the game.
Btw for our goal I think var was spot on, although there's a frame going around that makes it look clear that vvd touched it with his arm. When its played fully the other shots show it doesn't.

{Ed025's Note - thats the reason it will never work WYred, its down to interpretation now whether thats the ref or someone in a studio in milton keynes ...it makes no difference mate and just confuses the issues..


3.) 29 Dec 2019 19:56:25
I mean you said it was the correct decision and then said we need to change the rules. I agree it feels tainted but you’re offside if it’s 1cm or 1 mile. The only confusion i have is why are we considering the arms in an offside decision.

{Ed025's Note - it will be a strand of hair next Tj, any excuse for these crap referees not to improve but to have their arses covered by a faceless prick in a studio mate..


4.) 29 Dec 2019 20:24:16
Why would that be covering the ref’s arse though Ed? He didn’t give the goal or the offside so both went against the officials’ on pitch decision. Both were correct.
The problem was the ref blowing for a handball when it clearly wasn’t. He should’ve just left it then if it’s handball let the VAR take a look at it.
The offside will be given as offside in every premier league game because it was offside. I said yesterday on decisions that close it should be linesman’s call because there is no way to be 100% sure you are looking at absolutely the right frame.
People (Ed25 especially) will be saying VAR has helped Liverpool again but it hasn’t. The decisions were correct in the laws of the game.
Wolves need to suck it up and move on, they played well but didn’t create enough clear cut chances to win and when they did it was offside. Close but still offside.

{Ed025's Note - there should be no VAR BP, if the refs and officials were competent then there would be no need for VAR, but your right about it helping liverpool (yet again) mate, your faces should be as red as your kit..


5.) 29 Dec 2019 20:26:38
Saw that City match Seano, thought VAR was going to rule out City's opener, crazy goal with the ref completely at fault and in the way. Be raging if you're a Sheff Utd fan, esp with their goal already ruled out.


6.) 29 Dec 2019 20:39:27
We’re the decisions wrong then Ed25?

{Ed025's Note - yes for me BP, the ref called handball and that should be the end of it imo, and the linesman did not call the offside for the wolves goal so that should have stood, giving the referees the chance to atone for their mistakes during a game is exactly whats wrong with the game mate, if they cant do the job then get rid of them and get someone who can, the standard is so low and thats because they are using VAR as a crutch which covers their ineptitude mate..


7.) 29 Dec 2019 20:40:59
It should have been a draw Ed025 I'll definitely give Wolves that but red faces as you say definitely not.

{Ed025's Note - well maybe cerice barry.. :)


8.) 29 Dec 2019 20:57:35
Tjred, I did not say change the rules, I said the interpretation of the rule needs to change. The offside law was not brought in to be used this way, it was brought in so the striker could not stand behind the defence and have the ball pumped over, therefore gaining an advantage. If you believe that a striker who is standing 1cm behind the defender has enough of an advantage for a goal to be ruled out, you must hate the enjoyment of the game!


9.) 29 Dec 2019 21:05:36
IMO, the idea of VAR is very good and is high time it as put in place. What I do not like is that in England (unlike the rest of Europe where VAR actually works for the most part), it is used to back up/ bail out the centre ref's incompetence instead of actually doing the right things. IMO, this is why VAR was put in place cos as Ed25 said, it is clearly easier to do it this way instead of putting measures in place to improve the officiating standards which btw, are worse than dreadful.

I mean, look at the Pukki goal vs Spurs (it was not even offside watching it live), the sending off of Mariappa for Watford or the Brighton goal and now, the City goal. It is a shambles, really. The City one is even the worst cos VAR was supposed to bring the play back cos the ref "assisted" the City goal and the VAR guy in a bid to cover his mate's incompetence, does not enforce the rule. To me if VAR can't do what is right or continues to be this useless then scrap the damn thing. Happy 2020!

{Ed025's Note - your dead right mate..


10.) 29 Dec 2019 22:25:09
The only problem I have is with the time taken to make a decision, even when it is clear and obvious.
If there was no VAR, teams that got correct decisions would be whining over incorrect decisions. The funny thing now is people are whining when the CORRECT decision is given, which if you think about it is madness.
Basically if supporters are on the losing side they whine.

{Ed025's Note - that last bit is very true polecat..


11.) 29 Dec 2019 22:33:55
If we’re being honest, it was off the shoulder. And the Wolves player was slightly offside. So it’s correct. But the whole system is wrong, VAR is killing the most popular Sport in the world.

{Ed025's Note - no argument from me on that last bit L8..


12.) 29 Dec 2019 23:09:46
So what you’re saying Ed25 is that you’re happy for a perfectly good goal to be chalked off and an offside goal to stand just because the officials are poor? That’s some strange logic there!
Or is it just because it’s Liverpool?
I’ve seen some odd decisions from VAR like the Mahrez penalty the other day but today’s were standard VAR decisions. I do think the offside needs looking at but as it is the law was followed and the decisions correct.
I agree with Polecat. Teams will always whinge when they lose to deflect from the fact they weren’t good enough.

{Ed025's Note - im just after fairness BP and a level playing field, VAR was brought in to correct obvious mistakes but has ended up compounding them, people dont talk about the football anymore its all about the bloody VAR decisions mate and that cant be right, its not just that every decision seems to go in liverpools favour though (even though it does)...in fact there was a incident in the brighton spurs game where VAR reviewed it...and awarded liverpool a penalty.. :)


13.) 30 Dec 2019 05:29:36
Cmon Ed. We are asking old men and women to keep up with the most elite athletes in the world, of course there’s going to Be errors. I for one think it’s definitely taking some getting used to, but now we don’t have to worry about hand of god goals or offside 90 minute winners. It takes some of the drama away. Every ref is going to make mistakes, and the game needs to Be more about the teams/ performances and less about the refs.

TLDR version: it’s not perfect. It’s going to get better. And it certainly needs to stay.

{Ed025's Note - if i supported liverpool i would definitely want it to stay Tj but lets be honest its a joke, armpits deciding the outcome of games and some tosser in a studio deciding if a goal should be ruled out because the ball accidently struck a hand just cant be right, go back to basics and stop trying to fix something that is,nt broken..


14.) 30 Dec 2019 07:55:41
For me VAR got it right with the "handball", it was rightly overturned. The issue as others have said was with the incompetent refereeing.
With regards to the offside, maybe technically he was a millimetre off, but come on, no-one wants to see goals being chalked off for that. It's happened for and against us this season, and I haven't agreed with any of them.
For me, VAR should get say 30 seconds max for an offside call, if it's clear and obvious they're off, give offside, if not, they're onside. None of this 5 minutes drawing lines on a laptop sh#te, people want to watch football, not some muppet locked in a room p#ssing about on Microsoft Paint.

{Ed025's Note - just scrap it for me RC, go away and perfect it and sort out the rules then have a 10 year trial in amateur football before its implemented back....i should be dead by then and wont have to put up with it mate..


15.) 30 Dec 2019 08:10:37
Ed I thought you were old, didn't realise you were that old though 😂
To be honest Ed I like the idea of VAR, before it there were so many shocking decisions that just went beyond belief, and for me that's what VAR is there to fix.
The way it's being used though, to disallow a goal because someone hasn't trimmed their nostrils for a couple of days, is just ruining the game completely.
But unless they can sort it and just start applying some common sense, I agree, get rid before we all start taking up watching NFL because it's less stop/ start.

{Ed025's Note - your right there RC, football has been around for donkeys years mate and now they are trying to re-invent the wheel, just leave the bloody thing alone..


16.) 30 Dec 2019 11:29:46
How can you measure mm's on a rubbish blocky pixelated image from a oblique angle, it's a farce.

They got the Mane goal right, but the equaliser should have stood.


17.) 30 Dec 2019 12:45:41
Think I would like to see VAR used only if the ref hadn’t blown his whistle. For instance, that handball yesterday wouldn’t be overturned. If the ref blows the whistle, the game has to stop. That’s universal in every sport.

But, for instances like the Wolves goal. No whistle. Can be reviewed by VAR. what you think 025?

{Ed025's Note - i prefered it when the ref made the decisions Tj, im old school you see and if VAR worked i would embrace it but thats not the case im afraid mate, improve the standard of refereeing and go back to basics for me...it was not broken so why try to fix it?..


18.) 30 Dec 2019 13:32:00
As people are pointing out VAR is ruining the game during it and after it as that's all we are talking about. Goal line technology is great as its quick and there's a definitive answer. VAR is still down to somebody's interpretation so people will always agree and disagree.

My personal opinion with offside is I would like to see it changed so the whole body has to be offside having daylight between the players. But then you have issues with handball and we all have opinions on it. What is a natural position. There was a game about a month back where a defenders come sliding in to block a cross the attacking player cut back slightly so when he crossed it the defenders trailing hand which was on the ground handled the ball.

No penalty was given because I think they said as he was on the ground his arm was supporting his body (or something along those lines) but my arguement is that he's thrown his body on the ground in the first place to make himself bigger to block a cross so he's gaining an advantage there. It may be harsh but he purposely puts himself out of control of his body so should be penalised.

The other part of VAR I would like to see change is make the ref View a monitor give him 60 seconds maximum to make a decision of you can't make it in that time it's not clear and obvious.


 

 

26 Dec 2019 23:03:41
What a performance from the lads, I’d say one of the best since Klopps been in charge. Everyone to a man was superb. I’ve got to say I was a bit worried about tonight’s game, I thought after Leicester getting beat by city, they could come out fighting like a wounded animal but we didn’t give them a sniff and let’s be honest, it could have been 6 or 7.

Trent Alexander Arnold, take a bow. What a player we have on our hands, 21 years of age and he’s just run the game from right back, absolutely immense. The way he strikes a ball is amazing, so much pace and whip and accuracy. Future Liverpool captain.

Also, anyone else reckon his celebration is a little hint at who will be on his way in January? 😉😂😂 (that’s a joke in case anyone didn’t realise! ) haha

Anyway, Worst case scenario after tomorrow night, we’ll be 11 points clear with a game in hand, 2 points dropped after a possible 54! If you had told me that at the beginning of the season I would have laughed! The boys really are playing like the world champions they are!

YNWA.

JK_RED

{Ed0666's Note - And we still have minamino to come. Jeez Louise I’m in dreamland tonight.


1.) 27 Dec 2019 00:06:42
Can’t believe how comprehensively we thumped them. It was almost like boys against men. Hendo, Gini and Keita were excellent but Trent was another level.


2.) 27 Dec 2019 00:24:03
I said "men against boys" when I was watching it with my dad, who's a blue. This is a really special team.


 

 

11 Nov 2019 07:49:50
Can one of the eds help me out regarding the Alexander Arnold hand ball? All I’ve heard since the match finished yesterday was how fabinho’s goal should have been disallowed and city awarded a pen but it clearly hit silva’s hand first and correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the new handball law state that if the ball hits the attacking players hand, intentionally or not, it will be a free kick to the defending team? Similar to the mane handball against United? If that’s correct, the Silva handball would nullify Alexander Arnold’s Hand ball would it not?

JK_RED

{Ed001's Note - I would just forget about it, the media are just trying to stir up controversy where none exists and Pep is just looking to have an excuse for losing.}


1.) 11 Nov 2019 08:10:20
You are correct mate it should have been a foul to us and Peps behaviour at the end was embarrassing a hope the FA look at that and take him to task if he is such a good manager tell him to manage macclesfield and then we will see how good he is.

{Ed001's Note - this is just Pep trying to cover up the fact that his poor judgement has weakened City badly. If he had bought more than one good defender in his time at the club they wouldn't be so far behind.}


2.) 11 Nov 2019 08:14:44
Just the normal then Ed mate? Same old, different day.

{Ed001's Note - yep. Pep needs the controversy to keep people from noticing how badly he has messed up in the transfer market, so he is going to keep on about it all season long.}


3.) 11 Nov 2019 08:18:44
Exactly. It is just the media acting up as usual.
Pep has been utterly outclassed by Klopp yet again, something he has no idea how to address.
City were not unlucky, unfairly treated, nor conspired against. They were simply overpowered, demoralized and well-beaten.
For all of Pep’s spending and perceived mythical coaching, he just cannot take Klopp on in a football match, it’s as simple as that.


4.) 11 Nov 2019 08:22:08
There were 30 people in the boozer I was at. I was the only Liverpool fan. Not one person in the room thought it was a penalty once they showed the slow motion clip of it hitting Silva's hand.

It's literally not a debate. You can't punch it onto somebodies hand and ask for a penalty. Isn't that common sense if nothing else?


5.) 11 Nov 2019 08:28:08
Pep under pressure his reaction said it all
Up the pool.


6.) 11 Nov 2019 09:24:29
Oh, so the bald, petulant, whiny little cry baby spitting his dummy out on the touchline cos mommy (the ref) did not get him the toy he wanted was Pep? Wow, totally missed that one.

Seriously tho, I fully agree with Ed and the other lads. Pep is a politician hence, a hypocrite, IMO. He is trying to have everyone focus on the "shiny object" that is the unclear handball call to deflect from his own failings.

So this guy will have us all believe that it was a 50-50 handball call that VAR did not give him, is the whole reason his team got pummeled 3-1 rather than his own abject incompetence during the game and that of his players where their mistakes cost them the goals? Really? Gundogan "assisted" Fab on the first goal. They were caught flat-footed defensively on the second. Hendo rinses Gundogan, puts a great ball in, Bravo stays on his line and Walker literally watches the ball leave Hendo's foot till he see Mane head it in.

But let's forget that all this happened and focus on the 50/ 50 handball, isn't it Pep? As someone said, as self-entitled as Pep only understands pain and I am glad we inflicted that pain on him to the point of losing his scalp (as he has no hair) all game long.


7.) 11 Nov 2019 09:37:30
Well said Ed. I was getting so annoyed watching the pundits after the game. Especially the presenter, who kept pushing the handball issue. Ignoring the fact we won 3.1 and it would never have been a penalty due to Silva handball onto Trents. Felt it was disrespectful to the Liverpool players and management. But nothing surprising with Sly sports! Our midfield 3 were absolutely brilliant yesterday and deserve full credit for it.

{Ed001's Note - I just thought it was such a blatant handball from Silva, he clearly punched the ball into Trent, that I didn't understand why there was an issue at all. I guess when a game was that cut and dried a win they have to create something to talk about.}


8.) 11 Nov 2019 09:56:39
imagine if pep had a real crisis to deal with? whose fault is it that city only have 1 quality centre back and goalkeeper? who decided before the game to call out mane? yes he dived yesterday pep, he dived with his head to make it 3-0! his behaviour and interview were the actions of a man not used to getting his own way.
Its the defeats to Norwich and wolves and the draw vs spurs that have cost pep, and his inability to spot what a good defender looks like, he should have cover in all positions for the amount of money he has spent.
compare the amount of money mendy cost compared to Robertson for example to see where his problems lie.
If he ever had a Chelsea like transfer ban, the man simply would not cope.


9.) 11 Nov 2019 11:24:52
he got done by Klopp in terms of tactics. everyone knew he would look to attack early on and blow us away as possible in the early stages. but we were so ruthless with our first 2 chances that it tore his game plan to shreds. we dominated them in the 2nd half till abt the 70mins. and i dare say, had Klopp managed to bring Ox on earlier, as he clearly intended, City would probably never have scored their goal. but once we got into the shape he wanted, City was stifled once again.

the impt and meanginful stat is, Pep has never won at Anfield and i hope he never will.

and abt the handball? i don't know what Kompany was seeing. Silva's hand wasnt in a natural position while TAA was. Try it yourselves, nobody runs with a straight and bent elbow - which was Silva's movement was, initially straight then he bent his elbow after he saw the ball moving away from him due to Lovern's tackle. he had committed to a pass that was foiled (which explains his straight arms) and should have tired to pull his arm away while turning back to see the ball. on the other hand, look at how both Augero and TAA were BOTH spreading their arms out to stop their run, because that's what normal humans do.

finally, if Augero had played on to play Sterling in, he probably would have scored and VAR would kick in. Barring any nonsense, the goal would be cancelled and fk given to liverpool for Silva's initial handball. then, the counter attack would have never transpired.

city only have themselves to blame for poor tactics, poor finishing, poor defending, and poor decision making in key moments.


10.) 11 Nov 2019 12:26:58
Pep was utterly embarrassing and lacking in any kind of dignity. To flap around on the touchline like a spoilt child and then run up and sarcastically address the ref after the match just showed immaturity as a manager.
Im sure his own team will be wondering about the example he is setting. he's not the first petulant manager but at least Mourinho used to save his pouts and sarcasm for the press conferences.


11.) 11 Nov 2019 12:40:17
Apologies if this has been mentioned before but if they got a penalty would that not have had to be ruled out too as Silva created a goalscoring opportunity with a handball?

{Ed001's Note - let's be honest, they make up the rules as they go along, so it is impossible to be sure any more what is the actual ruling and what is an interpretation on the day or what is an excuse made up to cover a mistake.}


12.) 11 Nov 2019 12:48:56
Unfortunately, I think a lack of professionalism, like some of the antics yesterday, has become the norm against many sports. I understand the heat of the moment, but I would be embarrassed if a high schooler acted the way many professionals do when things aren't going their way. I hope this gets addressed at some point.


13.) 11 Nov 2019 15:24:55
Oh, you ain't up on game, player. Haven't you heard? VAR is the reason Pep did not sign a CB last summer. It was VAR's fault for him not being able to break down Wolves or Norwich and got smashed. It's VAR's fault for City after spending over 350m on FB's, CB's and GK's, can't defend against a team that has the temerity to have a go at him. Typical of a self-entitled, petulant child. Nothing is ever his fault and the media do a bang up job of carrying his water for him as well.


14.) 11 Nov 2019 15:25:45
Coco9, I fully agree with you as well. All the pundits seemed to gloss over or not even mention the fact that the ball ricoheted off Silva's arm then hit TAA's who was slowing down hence, did not have time to get his arm away from the ball. Kompany mentioned it BUT just glossed over it. On MOTD, it was not even addressed. Neither was it addressed on Sly. I wonder why.

For me, it was NEVER a pen for the exact reasons you and Ed brought up. There were at most 2 ricochets (Once off Lovs, then straight onto Silva's arm) before the ball hits TAA so how can a pen be given for that? How is TAA who is slowing down after running at full pelt to the scene supposed to know the ball was going to ricochet twice and get to him? TAA is good BUT he ain't that good.

IMO, Michael Oliver got it right if in fact, he saw the same things I saw. This is what the media don't want to talk about cos well, it's too hard to do so just make it sound like Pep got done by the refs cos that drives the controversy whereas IMO, there isn't one.


 

 

21 Oct 2019 07:15:08
I think yesterday’s match was probably the worst I’ve seen Liverpool play in over a year but it didn’t help that the officials were awful. Martin Atkinson is one of the most experienced referees in the premier league but yesterday was one of the worst refereeing performances I’ve ever seen.

What is the point of VAR if the officials watching the screens are not going to overrule the referee?! If it’s a case of disagreement between the ref and VAR officials, give the referee a screen to view at the side of the pitch like they had in the World Cup! The foul on origi looked absolutely blatant in real time and on viewing the replay there was nothing to change my mind so I have no idea what those idiots in the VAR room were watching!

Also, as bad as Liverpool played, I don’t understand all the pundits praise for the United performance! They played exactly the same way the play against us every season, 11 men behind the ball and pump it up to rashford and now James aswell. There was nothing new or special about their performance, in fact, it was this type of performance Mourinho was slated for!

All in all, can’t really complain with a draw as it wasn’t the greatest game of football but barring some awful officiating, we could have had all 3 points! And before people start accusing me of bias, Mane’s goal was rightly ruled out given the new handball law. So In my eyes, we were the only team to score a legitimate goal yesterday as Mane and Rashfords goals should have been ruled out!

Anyway, still unbeaten and 6 points clear! YNWA!

JK_RED

1.) 21 Oct 2019 08:00:17
Just to go against the status quo. I didn't think it was a foul on Origi in the build up to their goal, he took a bad touch and had lost control of the ball.

We were poor all day, I think a big part of it was that Salah was out, but hey no excuses. We got a point maybe a point more than we deserved bad we are still undefeated. Let's move on to the next game and focus on staying unbeaten.


2.) 21 Oct 2019 08:14:54
It was a foul. Clearly a foul.

{Ed025's Note - it certainly was denzil..


3.) 21 Oct 2019 08:46:00
Poor touch or not, lindelof has come through the back of origi and made contact, he was late with the challenge and it is a foul! I lost count of how many fouls Atkinson awarded UTD in the first half for minimal contact! He was absolutely useless all game!


4.) 21 Oct 2019 08:49:47
It was a tackle from behind Bmena. He got none of the ball and all of the man. Those tackles were outlawed 30 years ago mate. 100% foul all day long. If the ref thought there was no contact then fair enough but that where VAR should correct him and the goal be ruled out. To go with the ref regardless is at best inept and at worst corrupt.


5.) 21 Oct 2019 09:53:19
I just wish he was consistent. First half felt like 2 different guys where making the calls depending on the colour of the shirt.


6.) 21 Oct 2019 10:36:12
Even if the ref had the greatest performance of his career yesterday it wouldn't hide the fact that we were very poor. It looked like we had run out of ideas without actually having any in the first place. We only played with any intensity and ambition after Lallana's goal.

{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point JK, that was not the liverpool i know out there yesterday, it was slow and looked like playing not to lose rather than win from the get go mate..


7.) 21 Oct 2019 11:45:26
I just wish Jurgen would stop getting worked up in games like these. He seems to spend a long time complaining to the 4th official instead of keeping his cool and watching the game to work out a solution, and this then infects the players.
Why argue for ages with the 4th official? It's not like the decision is going to be changed.

I also thought the ref being ridiculously one sided was a thing of the past, but I was wrong.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think atkinson was biased polecat just inept, he missed some big decisions and thats where VAR could help, instead it serves to protect the referee from criticism and thats why its just not working mate..


8.) 21 Oct 2019 12:34:31
Bmena, so you are saying that cos Origi lost his touch (debatable) while being clearly kicked by Lindelof, that negates the fact that he was fouled? That makes no sense IMO, man. It was a foul and VAR messed it up due to the rule Ed25 has alluded to which is criminal in itself cos it is there to protect the ref from having to bear the brunt of his own failings.

Now did we play our best? No and that can happen. Utd parked the bus and closed the spaces so they did that very well. I'm not going to sit here and start saying it was our worst perf. since x time cos we have played WAY worse than this. We are 6 points up and top of the PL. The only LFC fans crying and acting like children are IMO, the spoiled brats who thought we were going to walk this game, as if we have ever walked a game at OT in the past. As for the ref? There is a reason why NO PL refs are ever at the WC. They are useless and and based on what I saw, he was assisting utd in his ineptitude.

{Ed025's Note - yeah atkinson was a disgrace redwolf, just as much as VAR is which is why it should be suspended until some clear rules are sorted out and its implemented properly..


9.) 21 Oct 2019 12:48:45
Am with you on that eds25.


10.) 21 Oct 2019 12:49:30
They have backed themselves into a corner on VAR the bar has been set ridiculously high for overturning referees dicisions and I can't see them changing tack part way through the season. It will be left till the summer for them to reassess so I guess we have to hope that we don't fall foul of it too much in the meantime.

{Ed025's Note - there is a meeting on wednesday to discuss the issues i believe Den..


11.) 21 Oct 2019 13:02:59
I just checked Companies House and Pep Ferguson Officiating Limited is a legitimate company!


12.) 21 Oct 2019 13:17:59
That’s exactly my point re VAR Ed025. VAR was brought in to eradicate refereeing mistakes but the officials seem to be dead against contradicting the referee. I’ve just watched dermot Gallagher on sky sports saying it was atkinsons decision because VAR couldn’t overrule it because it wasn’t ‘clear and obvious’! For one, it was clear and obvious because it was a foul and the referee missed it and secondly, if it’s debatable, tell the ref to go and have a look at a monitor himself and see all the angles, then make a decision. So far this season, it’s been an absolute farce!

{Ed025's Note - your spot on JK..


13.) 21 Oct 2019 16:43:20
Suspending VAR until it is reviewed and corrected is the smartest idea I have read on here in a long time. It was supposed to be a tool to reduce controversy. It does only the opposite .

{Ed025's Note - your right ArAy, we seem to be discussing VAR more than the actual football mate, and that cant be good..


14.) 21 Oct 2019 19:01:28
ArAy1969, VAR can actually work if it was actually put in place to fix what is broken, in good faith. The prob here is that there are bad faith actors who are implementing a system where by teams get penalized AFTER VAR is actually used. If not, how does one explain how the ref should NOT be overruled whereas the goal of VAR as they told us, was to eradicate human errors hence, the errors of a human being who is the ref.

They say the ref cannot be overruled. So why do you have VAR then? So what happens when he makes a blatant mistake? Well, they say say it is not "a clear an obv. mistake" which is code for protecting the ref's blatant incompetence. Therefore in essence under the VAR system in England, we have TWO referees in every game. We have the ref at the center of the pitch and we have VAR to intervene in certain areas (red card challenges, offsides etc) to overrule the ref while in other situations, the ref has the final say even tho, he is not allowed to go check the monitor to see the incident. Brilliant!


15.) 21 Oct 2019 21:20:38
Redwolf, I had a brief discussion on this same point with Ed001, on here, recently. And we both concluded that the authorities were wary of reducing the power of the refs, therefore limiting the effectiveness of VAR. Sounds so much like introducing something with the implicit objective of having it fail. But it's fooling no one. I highly doubt this is the final word on the VAR issue. It will have to be adjusted so that it does end up being a tool that overrules the ref. on the field. It's done in rugby with great success; no reason it can't be done in football.


 

 

 

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13 Dec 2019 13:39:48
To be fair ed001, regarding your point of him being at his best when we sat back, the majority of the teams we face, particularly in the league tend to sit back for large portions of the game. I think on of the only problems we’ve had over the last couple of seasons is breaking down teams who sit back and this lad could be the final piece in the jigsaw!

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13 Dec 2019 13:35:46
Walter, have a day off would you! Klopp is easily the best Liverpool manager of my lifetime! I would be interested to hear why you don’t like him? I’m guessing you haven’t got any valid reasons, you just like to moan!

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23 Apr 2019 16:57:26
Whether klopp said he would play him or not, when the player was not up to the standard required, he was loaned out! What is Klopp supposed to do? Carry on playing him even though he’s not good enough? If he had stepped up and improved, he would have played! You seem to have a personal vendetta against klopp and Liverpool.

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{Ed002's Note - Klopp is a compulsive liar - there have been numerous examples like this, try not to make pitiful excuses - it is very embarrassing. I appreciate you don’t want the truth. Klopp is a liar and a cheat.}


 

 

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23 Apr 2019 15:02:21
I don’t get how we have screwed up his career? He was signed and when he was deemed not good enough, he has been loaned out. This literally happens with hundreds of players every season.

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{Ed002's Note - Signed on the basis of being lied to; work permit on the basis of a lie; not used and loaned out.}


 

 

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04 Jan 2019 13:33:12
DAPred, I just told you why I don’t see it happening, he will want guaranteed game time, and Klopp willl not give him any guarantees.

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29 Dec 2019 20:57:35
Tjred, I did not say change the rules, I said the interpretation of the rule needs to change. The offside law was not brought in to be used this way, it was brought in so the striker could not stand behind the defence and have the ball pumped over, therefore gaining an advantage. If you believe that a striker who is standing 1cm behind the defender has enough of an advantage for a goal to be ruled out, you must hate the enjoyment of the game!

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29 Dec 2019 04:45:44
Difference is though ed025, klopp had to sell our best player to afford Alisson and VVD. Guardiola has just bought world class players for big money without selling, building the most expensive squad in world football. That being said, he still has to coach them to play well and city have been at a very high level for the past few years so he is a really good manager.

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21 Oct 2019 13:17:59
That’s exactly my point re VAR Ed025. VAR was brought in to eradicate refereeing mistakes but the officials seem to be dead against contradicting the referee. I’ve just watched dermot Gallagher on sky sports saying it was atkinsons decision because VAR couldn’t overrule it because it wasn’t ‘clear and obvious’! For one, it was clear and obvious because it was a foul and the referee missed it and secondly, if it’s debatable, tell the ref to go and have a look at a monitor himself and see all the angles, then make a decision. So far this season, it’s been an absolute farce!

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21 Oct 2019 08:46:00
Poor touch or not, lindelof has come through the back of origi and made contact, he was late with the challenge and it is a foul! I lost count of how many fouls Atkinson awarded UTD in the first half for minimal contact! He was absolutely useless all game!

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18 Sep 2019 21:04:47
Haha banter aside ed025, you must admit, VAR let Liverpool down badly last night, I’ll admit it looked a penalty in real time but it’s clear as day on the replays that Callejon swan dived before there was any contact at all.

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{Ed025's Note - it was a bit harsh JK but you cant really complain when you get the rub of the green as often as liverpool do mate..