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21 Aug 2020 08:19:25
Rumours Van Dyke could be off to Barcelona. There aren't any purely football reasons why he would leave . Having said that Barcelona are the legendary club for the Dutch . Climate, money ( after tax ) and just wanting to live in Barcelona are all reasons why all reds should be worried .
1.) 21 Aug 2020 08:39:08
Lol what a load of crap van dijk ain't going to barcelona and they can't afford him.
2.) 21 Aug 2020 08:40:30
Worst rumour ever lol. Just because he's Dutch he is being linked with Barca. Wont happen, not in a million years mate.
3.) 21 Aug 2020 08:41:05
There are 2 types of reds fans.
1. The ones who realize we have a world class squad already who are relaxed about transfers and just enjoy the transfer window show.
2. The reds who panic about everything and think we ll get relegated if we don't sign someone.
I doubt anyone can afford van dijk but I'm sure your comment will panic someone on here. Nothing surprises me anymore.
4.) 21 Aug 2020 08:43:23
This won't happen not in this window.
5.) 21 Aug 2020 09:58:02
Barca are broke AF. They can’t afford the phone call to Michael Edwards to get a rejection.
6.) 21 Aug 2020 10:50:13
If they are stumping up the best part of £175 million plus I don't think we would consider it. and then who replaces him?
7.) 21 Aug 2020 11:05:05
What if he goes on strike?
8.) 21 Aug 2020 11:10:56
You do realise tax rates in Spain are simialr to the Uk right.?
9.) 21 Aug 2020 11:28:22
Very well said Davey Sulls!
10.) 21 Aug 2020 11:37:03
I heard they are also interested in Gini, Van den berg, Hoever, and Ryan babbel.
11.) 21 Aug 2020 11:47:12
It's fooball you never know. If he goes all the best to him and hopefully his replacement would be adequate.
12.) 21 Aug 2020 12:07:13
Only a fee of 150 mil plus would even start to tickle liverpool's taste buds on selling Virgil. Even then I doubt they would. He's the best defender in the world and rarely makes mistakes, even though we have seen one or two now and again. There is only one world where I'd see selling Van Dyke, and that's to buy Mbappe, with pennies left over to sign two world class CBs. I doubt Barcelona will sign many players this summer unless they offload most of the first team, and if Messi leaves I don't really see them recovering for a long time. Both Barcelona and Madrid have had issues replacing players, Madrid less so, but Hazard really has under performed for them, so unless they find the cash to sign a superstar, I doubt Madrid or Barcelona will be threat for the next few years.
13.) 21 Aug 2020 12:56:04
I know this is a rumour site but this is a lazy one a Dutch. There ain’t a snowballs chance of Barcelona being able to afford him even if he did go on strike but he really doesn’t seem like the type of player to take such action. Plus he’s an intelligent player as much of a draw Barcelona is they are club at a major transition period and a period of a lot of uncertainty I don’t think Virgil would take that risk at this point in his career he can achieve the things he wants at Liverpool under Klopp.
{Ed002's Note - Doesn't seem the type of player top go on strike eh? The }
14.) 21 Aug 2020 13:12:19
Unless Ed001 or Ed002 says there is anything to it then it’s total garbage.
Might as well say Messi on season long loan to Anfield sponsored by Nike so he can win another Champions League before he goes off to Miami in the MLS.
{Ed002's Note - Virgil van Dijk (CB) Barcelona have significant other spending planned for the summer and will not be able to afford VvD. Juventus retain an interested with Chiellini at the end of his career and Bonucci not getting any younger. They see VvD as a good long-term solution who can also help MdL mature.
This was the situation before the January transfer window - I am very doubtful he will be moving this summer.}
15.) 21 Aug 2020 13:48:52
Thanks for putting that one to bed, Ed002.
LOL I do hope Weston90 was joking about VvD not being 'the type' to go on strike. A few folks down on the south coast might have something to say about that.
16.) 21 Aug 2020 14:11:14
Ha ha, italian league so poor, maybe when VVD is 34 he will go to Italy but not in his prime. I hope he is a red for the rest of his career.
17.) 21 Aug 2020 14:27:33
I can’t see VVD wanting to join a Barcelona side that are in such disarray as they’re in, notwithstanding the fact that they’re skint and simply don’t have the money to pay the sort of fee that would be demanded, whereas I could see them raising the funds for Wijnaldum, I just can’t see it for VVD. As for Juve, they probably don’t have the money either, nor do they have anyone worth taking in exchange and (regrettably, as it was a great league back in the days) Serie A has regressed into a bit of a farmers league nowadays.
18.) 21 Aug 2020 16:43:27
Apologies I should explain I mean in the context of him currently being happy at an exciting club that are competitive and successful it seems like it wouldn’t be beneficial for him to kick up a fuss and go on strike to move to a club in development with let's face it a sub par manager in Keoman ( based off recent club success or lack ther of and woeful transfer market dealings ) I just can’t see Barcelona a - having the funds to tempt us in to selling and b - have the funds to put him on 400 k a week
Just to be clear I’m well aware he has been difficult in the past but I don’t believe it makes sense for him to do so at the moment and I think he’s the type of player that knows this.
If we don’t continue our success I can see him leaving next year if another huge club comes in with the right price but I can’t see anything happening In The immediate future.
19.) 21 Aug 2020 17:56:29
If Matthijs wants to be mentored by VvD, he knows where to find him.
20.) 21 Aug 2020 23:34:11
To put it into context
Working with Koeman or Klopp
Playing with Barca's aging first XI versus ours in our prime XI
I doubt Virgil would be wanting to leave a club who adores him and will be challenging and winning major trophies for the next 5 years. A major change at LFC such as Klopp leaving may tempt players to look elsewhere but I think the succession planning is already underway with Pepijn as the natural successor to Klopp.
21.) 22 Aug 2020 03:08:12
Barcelona is going to struggle to recruit this year. The teams that they normallt poach for top talent have gone beyond them or are looking to overtake them and all the inner turmoil will cause them to ultimately overspend during a time when clubs can't even properly budget because of the C.V.. Koeman is definitely in the hot seat.
22.) 22 Aug 2020 08:01:46
Working under the best manager in the world is usually a once in a career opportunity. VVD is the lynchpin in the best side in the world, under the best manager in the world. Gini's situation is different as he might not be playing in his favoured position, and has been somewhat of a utility man.
23.) 22 Aug 2020 08:31:01
Never happening. Also, may I say I am pleased we have no money for Diego Carlos the man looks a liability. Quarters, semis and the final all conceding a penalty, must be some kind of record!
24.) 22 Aug 2020 10:33:15
Did we really need anyone to put it to bed? there's not a hope in hell any club COULD or WOULD WANT TO spend the money we'd want for Virg. He'll be 30 next summer and like our front three, is probably a bit too old for clubs to part with the money we'd want. Even besides all this lads it's common sense we have probably the most talented and just as important. SETTLED squad in Europe with the best coach in the game who actually improves the players. Not a time to be leaving.
25.) 22 Aug 2020 13:57:03
I doubt there's even a rumour. It's so left field that's it's likely that he's just made it up.
26.) 23 Aug 2020 06:49:56
Not a chance of Virgil going to Barca. No chance.
Wijnaldum on the other hand, is a possibility. I hope he signs a new contract, but until that is signed, there's always a chance he'll go.
27.) 26 Aug 2020 01:52:43
That was a pointless thread. No chance any part of that deal could be possible right now with both clubs situations on and off field, managers, squad morale, money he'd cost plus our lack of desperation to need to sell big. Long contract, leader and seemingly loving his role at us, always fit, always playing with focus. No way he's flirting with wanting out, no way klopp wants him out, no way the club want to entertain offers.
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06 Oct 2020 17:13:09
Been saying it for a while, it's only a matter of time before teams work out how to play against our long ball game . Hitting the ball into space for our pacey forwards can't last forever. It seems like that time has come, teams defending deep limiting space . Ti. e for some creative ball players in midfield, hard work isn't enough.
1.) 06 Oct 2020 18:12:04
Thank God for Thiago so. I think we'll be fine, were still the most likely to win the league followed by city. Three wins out of 4 would be great form for everyone else, for us it's a crisis. That shows how consistent this team is.
2.) 06 Oct 2020 18:14:55
Like Thiago .?
It’s almost as if we have a good management set up that can see this isn’t it.
3.) 06 Oct 2020 18:15:23
OP, I disagree. The highline can only work if the midfielders are actually interested in putting pressure on the ball and the opposition and we are the best in the world at suffocating an opponent into submission. Like a python wrapping a prey into it's coils and choking them to death. Go ask Arsenal and a host of other teams all over Europe we have pummeled using this very same system.
The issue at Villa was that there was no effort, no desire and not determination to even tackle a Villa player or even press them. I saw a stat that Naby did not make one tackle all game long. What does that tell you? If you are not pressing the ball high then, the high line is pointless. We choked Arsenal to death last Monday cos we were at it and the high line was not the problem. This is not hard to grasp, IMO.
4.) 06 Oct 2020 18:48:30
Henderson goes to right side of midfield instead of Naby and none of that sh** happens on Sunday.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the high line as Red Meister eloquently puts it above.
5.) 06 Oct 2020 19:03:29
Against Everton. Mane, Henderson and Thiago all come back into the team.
We will be better, we couldn’t be any worse put it that way.
6.) 06 Oct 2020 19:28:44
LiverpoolFC8, I would propose a midfield of Milner and Hendo for the Everton game cos not sure in what state Fabinho will be after Brazil duty.
7.) 06 Oct 2020 20:13:56
So if Hendo played Sunday Adrian doesn’t mess up his pass, no deflections happen, we defend far better and bobby scores his chances. Fair play to Hendo. He’ll be sorting the cure for this C.V. next.
8.) 06 Oct 2020 20:27:45
Time will tell meister. I think we might see Fab in defence, Joe seems to have dipped in form lately which isn’t a shock really being a young CB.
9.) 06 Oct 2020 20:35:42
Henderson sets the tone. He leads.
So no, JK, a lot of that wouldn’t’ve happened.
10.) 06 Oct 2020 20:54:15
😆 JK23.
All you can say is that the team would surely have emerged with a more determined mindset, a few rollickings would have been dished out, the concentration of Villa attacks down Liverpool’s right would have been much better protected against, Joe wouldn’t have been so exposed and had to go off and the chain of events might have been broken?
In hindsight, Villa’s performance was very much a case of revenge for what happened last season and it very quickly became apparent they were out to right a wrong.
11.) 06 Oct 2020 20:58:40
Hendo is a quality player for us. But he doesn’t stop others making mistakes (couldn’t help Adrian with his mistake v Athletico etc) or influence deflections or improve people’s finishing (played numerous games with bobby when he hasn’t scored) As I said he’s a quality player but we had loads of quality players on the pitch v Villa but he can’t perform miracles. Otherwise why hasn’t he influenced more premier league titles in his 9 years here or led England to International glory. Hendo back in the team will be a boost but we aren’t a 1 man team. We never have been.
12.) 06 Oct 2020 21:26:30
Juicer good reply mate and you could be 100% correct but it’s all hindsight. Sadly I think it lies a lot deeper than if we had Hendo we wouldn’t have lost. I honestly think the players are physically and mentally exhausted after the insane standards that we have set the last 2 seasons. Going as far back as Watford we’ve been spiking all over the place with some excellent performances and some terrible ones. Getting to the top of the mountain is one thing but staying there is a totally different kettle of fish. Look at some of the niggles the players are picking up Hendo and Allison it could all be down to exhaustion. I honestly think Klopp needs to use this squad now to its fullest for the month of Oct and Nov and then hopefully it gives out big guns a chance to recharge and get back to the standards that we have been privileged to watch.
{Ed025's Note - they are hardly digging trenches for 8 hours though JK, kicking a ball about for 90 minutes every 4 days and the odd couple of hours traing is hardly tenko mate..
13.) 06 Oct 2020 21:49:31
Don’t worry JK23 lad.
Hendo will be back and put James into the Upper Bullens next match out 🤣.
14.) 07 Oct 2020 01:26:59
Once again a couple of players getting singled out as the reason for blame. The whole team were miles off the pace and Henderson doesn't fix that huge gulf on his own and he's been on the pitch for other poor outings in the past. To only point keita not making a tackle in his 45minutes but not mention that fabinho in 90 mins didn't complete a tackle either or that wijnaldum won 1 tackle in 90 minutes he played. We were just as awful in 2nd half despite keita not on the field so it's not fair to say that his performance set the tone for our poor play all over the pitch or to single out individuals as the sole reasons that led to the entire team stinking.
15.) 07 Oct 2020 09:34:43
The next 3 matches will see if we slipped up and its a once of or if we need to reinvent ourselves no point in panicking thaigo mane and henderson should all be back for Everton and let's be honest there 3 world class players of they all play or even thaigo does the bench we will be stronger.
16.) 07 Oct 2020 17:04:09
Har_red92, I have said on multiple occasions since the game that it was a complete meltdown from top to bottom and that includes Klopp. I have never said if this guy or that guy played, we would have won cos that is just ridiculous.
Would Hendo have helped esp. in midfield and helped with keeping guys focused, stuck in and motivated? Absolutely BUT that would only have given us a better chance. Nothing more. Nothing less. Does not mean we would have won BUT Pretty sure Keita or Gini would have gotten away with not putting in a tackle near all game long, that much we do know. I can take a loss if we deserve to lose BUT it is the complete spinelessness of the boys that I will NEVER accept.
17.) 07 Oct 2020 18:49:51
I don’t think you have to be digging trenches or even performing extreme physical tasks to become mentally exhausted. Mental exhaustion happens in every day life in all kinds of jobs. I have an extremely active job and for my age I am extremely fit but if I sit at a computer all day doing admin it leaves me exhausted.
I think mental exhaustion then leads to fatigue and burnout regardless of how fit or unfit that person is. The performance on Sunday showed a lack of effort but I don’t think this side can be tarnished with that brush and they certainly haven’t become bad players overnight. I honestly think it’s a deeper lying problem.
I really hope I’m wrong and it’s just a bump in the road but I honestly think we going to have more poor performances and results this season than we have in a long while under Klopp.
28 Apr 2020 23:27:48
Extra clubs means less tv revenue per club . I can't see any takers voting for that .
28 Apr 2020 21:46:47
Jay club red if LFC are awarded the title who then would qualify for the European places and who would be relegated? Or should we decide Liverpool are the best cancel all football for evermore and leave it there . That way you get your wish every season .
20 Oct 2020 16:01:59
That's not fair Jezza . Richarlison went for the ball but his follow through caught Thiago and he was rightly sent off . Pickford came rushing off his line ( as all keepers do ) and clattered VVD, he should've been sent off but he wasn't, that's not his fault. Robertsons tackle on Allan was probably worse than both of the other tackles I've mentioned. He deliberately slid into Allan from behind knowing he had zero chance of winning the ball and he should have seen red also .
As for the hysteria I'm hearing from fellow Reds because things didn't go our way is embarrassing. We've had countless major decisions go our way in derbies for years and dismissed Evertons complaints as just being bitter .
Contact is being removed from the game making all tackles seem violent. Injuries happen in football and not all decisions go your way . To create such a fuss is not showing us in a good light .
17 Oct 2020 18:12:47
Come on Den have a think . Since 1977 I can remember one important/ controversial decision going Evertons way. That was DCL winning a penalty at Anfield when he was pushed but went down easily. If you can think of any more I'd like to hear .
My Everton buddy reels off lots of decisions that went our way that I can't argue with . One day the decisions didn't go our way but remember offside is offside. Fouls can be interpreted differently but offside is fact whether it's 1cm or 10yards .
17 Oct 2020 17:55:34
In reply to KJMain Robertsons was a slide tackle from behind on a player no longer in possession of the ball . While Richarlison deserved his red it was imo a genuine attempt to win the ball . His momentum was the problem.
17 Oct 2020 17:51:47
I wonder if that was your opinion IDream mate when we had many decisions go our way last season . Overall LFC had done quite well out of VAR.
17 Oct 2020 16:49:48
Offside is not a interpretation like a foul . Offside is fact, the fact is both VAR incidents today were correctly given offside. Just because they look onside with the human eye doesn't change anything.