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31 Jul 2017 13:36:13
Eds, do Roma genuinely hold an interest in Sahko and at 30million as mooted? Also has talks progressed on a deal with markovic to leave?
Baz.
{Ed002's Note - Roma s interested but don't want to spend £30M. Markovic is also priced out of a move right now.}
1.) 31 Jul 2017 14:10:30
At some point, the club needs to see sense and arrive at a middle ground for the surplus players' prices. Klopp has let the whole world know he wants Sakho, Markovic and Moreno gone ASAP yet LFC want top dollar for its unwanted players in spite of being in a weak bargaining position. NOt only have there been huge issues with buying players but selling surplus players has been an utter shambles so far this season. 20 million pounds for Sakho and 10 each for Moreno and Markovic represents sound business and the club should just bite the bullet to raise funds for more incomings.
2.) 31 Jul 2017 14:12:20
Liverpool need to pull their finger out, no one is going to bid that for sakho, markovic and Moreno never play, just take what we can or risk getting stuck with nothing.
3.) 31 Jul 2017 13:57:24
Thanks Ed002. Do you think Liverpool will compromise to get a deal wrapped up on both players? Also has all interest in Moreno gone?
Baz.
{Ed002's Note - I really think Liverpool will have to. There is nothing happening with Moreno at this point in time - but the club want him gone.}
4.) 31 Jul 2017 14:34:33
Hardly takes a genius to work out if you don't want him then no one with big money to spend will want him either.
5.) 31 Jul 2017 14:43:00
Hardly think, in the current transfer climate, that 30mil for Sakho is in anyway outrageous. He's a very good defender who is still young and only finds himself out of favour due to his off field issues (as opposed to his quality) - the club should be able to compromise but, at the same time, be able to strike the best deal in its interests: 30mil is fair in my opinion.
6.) 31 Jul 2017 15:04:14
10 mil for moreno is a rip off. Can't believe we turned down 12. If liverpool were about to sign him for 10 mil I would be dissapointed. 20 for sahko, on the other hand, means someone is going to get a good deal. Again if we were to sign him for 20 I would be dead pleased. Be pleased to pay 30 for him. All three will be gone by end of season. Can see one or two going right to the wire.
7.) 31 Jul 2017 15:28:46
really don't see why so many people on here think Sakho is a good defender. all ways flying in making last ditch tackles because he reads the game so poorly, and when he is on the ball he is like a bomb waiting to go off. And don't tell me how good he was at palace because under big Sam they would have had loads of players behind the ball making defending a lot easier than when he plays for us with sometimes just 2 at the back. so I would snatch there hand off at £20m. ed025 what's your take on him being an outsider would you like everton to spend £30m on him?
{Ed025's Note - no grino to be honest, bambi on ice for me mate and even though he done well at times he was an accident waiting to happen..
8.) 31 Jul 2017 16:18:28
Strong defender. Good distribution and passing accuracy.
He isn't scared to launch a slide tackle in penalty area, which did usually have my heart in my mouth, but always won the ball.
Looks awkward as he stalks like a boxer, doesn't matter at bit. Would run through a brick wall for his team. I can't understand when people cannot see his ability. Only ever seems to be people who have played as a defender who acknowledge his strengths and skills.
Worth the 30 million for those crazy eyes when he had Lukaku quaking in his boots.
{Ed025's Note - those 3 precious words..."red tinted glasses"..
9.) 31 Jul 2017 16:28:18
He looks awkward but he is better than he looks - strong, powerful, good at reading the game and surprisingly good with the ball at his feet (inspite of appearances) - he is a good defender and, were it not for his off field stupidity, would be a first choice starter. I really think 30mil is a reasonable price - the issue is they know we don't want him so believe (perhaps correctly) that they can force a lower price.
10.) 31 Jul 2017 16:44:09
Agree with Ed025 here. Red tinted glasses seems to be popular at the moment. Think most fans where them when they look at Matip and Can too.
Decent players but major room for improvement.
11.) 31 Jul 2017 16:45:36
Totally agree with last two posts. 30 mil in today's market is a bargain. Solid centre back who will start for whoever he joins. Simple as that.
12.) 31 Jul 2017 16:46:20
Wait till the season starts and a couple of teams start poorly. These players will soon get snapped up.
13.) 31 Jul 2017 17:42:59
I think the question people need to ask themselves about Sakho is whether they prefer him in the squad or Klaven. I know who I would choose because personally I would put him ahead of Lovren, hence why VVD is being pursued. He would only make our bench stronger.
14.) 31 Jul 2017 18:59:27
Even looking as objectively as possible (stats) Sakho is a pretty impressive defender. I'd love to see him back in a red shirt personally.
15.) 31 Jul 2017 19:13:14
I really think Sakho is a top defender, and that's not red tinted glasses, I'm critical of a lot of our players.
He is our best defender by a long way imo and I'm gutted he's leaving, I think a lot of people say he's error prone, can't pass, rash when in reality he doesn't make many errors, had the best pass completion rate at the club and our win/ lose record is much better with him in the side, I agree he looks ungamely but it's not about style it's about substance.
16.) 31 Jul 2017 20:09:42
Considering we bought a LB for 8-10mil to shut completely Moreno out of playing, we will not be getting 10mil for Moreno any day soon.
Sahko I believe we can get 20mil at most, he is a quality defender and easily worth 30mil+ but nobody will want to pay that for his off the field behavior.
That and him being Bambi on ice with the ball are his 2 downfalls. Besides that I do prefer him over Lovren though.
Markovic is a shame, he never got a proper chance and has no confidence and has downgraded in quality due to no game time and when he got game time, being played out of position.
can’t put a price on him because he just hasn’t been on the field enough. Although I was fairly happy when we got him for 20mil and had high hopes.
17.) 31 Jul 2017 21:51:00
Still have horrors about a left side defence of Sakho and Moreno, they were an accident happening no wait needed. This isn't the first club Sakho managed to sour his relationship with so why do people think that situation won't repeat and he really isn't that good. He's not rubbish by any means but don't forget he has actually played for LFC when the bad games have been happening so he is not the messiah - he is indeed just a naughty boy.
{Ed025's Note - i love monty python..
18.) 31 Jul 2017 22:04:25
Wait and see.
The club will get 30 million for him, Its looking like it will be january. What ever mid table club has a poor start this side of xmas will gladly cough up the 30 mill.
Maybe Leicester or hopfully the Saints.
19.) 31 Jul 2017 23:06:45
Sakho IMO is not better or worse than Lovren or Matip. Looks solid most of the time, but poor in the air. I know people will think I'm mad but watch back goals we'v conceded from free kicks into the box. Our team has been Poor at winning/ clearing that first ball for years, and this issue isn't new as I'm going back to when Agger was here as well. We'v been missing a Hyypia type player for over ten years.
20.) 31 Jul 2017 23:18:20
You only have to look at the affect he had on the palace team and how highly regarded he was there to realise that he's a decent player. He is a risk though given his attitude problems at liverpool and psg. Taking everything into account 20 mil seems a fair price in the current market.
21.) 31 Jul 2017 23:55:30
The home Dortmund game. Watch it. Sakho scored, that's nice. But look at his positioning on some of the Dortmund goals. That isn't impressive defending. I really don't care, if Klopp don't want the guy in the group, its clearly for a reason. I'm "happy" with that.
Tho I have to say, Sakho haven't moaned. That shows some kind of caracter.
22.) 31 Jul 2017 23:58:47
Well said cobra. It seems to be very unpopular to talk sahko up but I'm with you, I think he is the best cb at the club. Wish we could turn the clock back with him. Comparing him to klavan is ridiculous. (Although I expect klavan to pick up this year, cbs often have nervy first seasons) sahko is at a different level to the Estonian. I agree that since hypia we have lacked a truly world class cb.
Agger was pretty good and skrtel an animal (which I like in a cb) but you felt safe with sami in a way we haven't since he retired. Henchoz showed how far proper organisation can take you. European trophies. I think Van Dyke will take a month or two to find his feet but I can see matip and vvd striking a brilliant partnership. Both speak Dutch ish, similar age, even similar build.
So want lovren to be brilliant but he's too inconsistent. Let's very poor strikers get the wrong side of him all too often. I think Van Dyke sees the improvement klopp gets out of his players and I reckon he will be in top three cbs in league if he joins us.
23.) 01 Aug 2017 01:18:03
If Sahko joined Palace instead of us and we watched the way he performed
last season for palace. We would probaly be tapping him up to sign for us.
IMO Klopp has dropped a bollock on this one.
24.) 02 Aug 2017 09:49:42
If Sakho had joined Palace instead of LFC he wouldn't have been playing to put himself in the shop window, which he was and the chances are he'd had have done one or two things to hack them off during his time. The situation is what it is for a reason and I get the impression LFC just happened to be who it happened with.
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17 Aug 2017 19:27:18
Ed001, question if you wouldn't mind. I feel that money will talk and with Pips wanting to leave do you think we will buy a replacement? I know it's our first season back in the Champs lge (touch wood) but I feel that we should be giving Grujic, Kent and the other youngster games. Such experiences in Europe would be great for them and feel that they do in fact have a future at the club. TAA played well for his age the other night and yes he made a mistake for their goal but hopefully he has learnt from that, what do you think?
Baz.
{Ed001's Note - as I said a while ago, I believe Salah was intended to replace Couts.}
1.) 17 Aug 2017 20:02:57
I'm guessing you mean as in in attack ed with the idea of pc moving into midfield rather than being offski?
{Ed001's Note - well sort of, but it was clearly with the aim of him going, hence the attempt to sign Naby Keita for the midfield.}
2.) 17 Aug 2017 20:06:55
Salah to replace Coutinho at the wings, Keita to strengthen at the middle and VVD strengthen at the back. Now that is a plan.
3.) 17 Aug 2017 21:08:04
If reports are to be believed tensions have been boiling between Klopp and Couts for a while due to his role in the team. I can only scemise from that Couts wanted a more central/ deeper role rather than playing out in the left wing. So we sign Salah to release Couts into the midfield and sign VVD and Robertson to sure up the defence. Sounds like a great plan to me and we would've gotten away with it it weren't for those pesky Catalans!
4.) 17 Aug 2017 22:15:09
Are those the reports that have the usual BS source attached to them of close friend etc that no one wants to stick their name to? Until one of the eds confirms that the reports of rifts are true i'm viewing them as interested parties trying to manipulate not truth.
5.) 18 Aug 2017 08:29:34
There is nothing to those reports, Ings. Klopp does not even refer to those reports in his pressers and no one on this forum believes that nonsense. Do you?
01 Aug 2017 21:28:29
Ed001 why I'm I banned on chat?
{Ed001's Note - didn't know you were.}
1.) 01 Aug 2017 21:39:57
Oh I can't post in there for some reason, thought I'd been banned.
31 Jul 2017 22:52:08
Are LFC in talks with Brighton for potential move for Danny Ings?
{Ed002's Note - Not Brighton as far as I know.}
1.) 31 Jul 2017 23:34:52
Awww okay Ed002, so Who is interested in Danny Ings then? Is this a buy or loan and would the club allow him to leave?
Thanks
Baz.
{Ed002's Note - Newcastle.}
2.) 01 Aug 2017 00:49:12
Newcastle would be an excellent move for the lad as I expect Newcastle to raise quite a few eyebrows this season along with Everton, both in my opinion could really push for Europa league places. Everton could possibly push hard for 4th but a place back in the Europa league this season is more realistic.
Pity if he does go but with the guys he has to compete with here I really can't see him making any headway whatsoever especially with young solanke after arriving who has hit the ground running.
Wish him the very best if he does leave he has worked really hard to get back after 2 horrendous injuries.
3.) 01 Aug 2017 01:29:21
Everton, 4th, 😂 good one.
4.) 01 Aug 2017 01:57:29
The guy deserves to play in order to have a shot at recovering from two horrible injuries - and that's going to be tough given we're badly over stocked with strikers (unless Firmino is planning to play at no.10 or out wide) .
I hope he gets this move, makes sense for both.
18 Aug 2017 20:31:08
Air traffic controllers strike at Blackpool international airport!
Baz.
09 Aug 2017 10:35:04
Is Paul, Phil and Grants long lost brother?
Baz.
06 Aug 2017 23:12:18
I for one will not be happy if we let Coutinho go. How can we see ourselves as a team wanting to compete with the top teams and Europe's elite if we allow our best players to leave. In the current market £90 million is a tad low. I'd say £120 million to even consider selling.
Baz.
06 Aug 2017 21:42:20
With you stating that there has been a discussion why does Klopp keep stating Coutinhio is not for sale? Surely Klopp would know this and will only anger the fans if he is now sold?
Baz.
{Ed002's Note - There have been several discussions. The fans can't be angered by Klopp - they have already been taken in and can't see the smiley clown persona slipping just yet.}
04 Aug 2017 17:50:23
We don't want to sell but I think anything over £100 million we may find hard to turn down. £100million and Rakitic?
Baz.
26 Aug 2017 23:13:32
Did he stay heading towards Blackpool?
Baz.
21 Aug 2017 17:41:56
Now Spasmith where in the North East our you? If you manage to get tickets let me know if you could get me one and you want to share spoils on travel etc?
Baz.
20 Aug 2017 21:18:16
If that's the case I'm sure that is a breach of his contract meaning we don't have to pay him! Also I'm sure we could leave him to rot for five years in the reserves. He cost 8million so yes it is a lot of money but not in footballing terms. I know it won't happen but the football clubs need to show the power and the players told they signed a contract which is legal and binding.
Coutinho will want to play at the World Cup so I'm sure he would have to go cap in hand to Klopp if he doesn't get his move to Barca. Barcelona also need to give us £125 million to get him and we should demand it all up front like they did to PSG with Neymar.
Baz.
18 Aug 2017 18:35:45
£30-35 million please Mr Pulis. That's money your after for an older and I would say not as astute defender.
Baz.
17 Aug 2017 17:25:11
No Jay he was seen on a train alone which is no mean feat for a modern day footballer
Baz.