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01 Jun 2022 09:38:39
PSG May have interest in signing "Naby Lad"

That would be a good move if the price is right?

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1.) 01 Jun 2022 09:59:33
Swap for gini lol.


 

 

 

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29 Oct 2022 21:50:29
For me it's attitude

If you can bear the champions at home and then Ajax away - but lose to Forest and Leeds then that's because your performance level drops

Okay there are things wrong on the pitch (distance between the midfield 3 for example) but if everyone is putting 100% in then the performance is better than tonight

Maybe the bigger issue though is Pep needs to be further away from the first team.

AngryRobertson

1.) 29 Oct 2022 21:57:36
It does seem like we only turn up for the big games, which is much like how we used to be about 10 years ago.


2.) 29 Oct 2022 22:00:03
You can’t just praise Klopp when we win and slate his assistant when we lose. It’s ridiculous.


3.) 29 Oct 2022 22:08:39
Agree it's a mentality / attitude issue.

We know these lads are (by and large) good players. And the constant suggestion that fellas who are around the 30 mark just can't run anymore is nonsensical imo.

So they just have to pulled back into the right frame of mind to give it their all every game again and not assume that just cos it's Leeds or Notts Forest they don't have to try.


4.) 29 Oct 2022 22:11:52
Klopp seems utterly unable to resolve the problems we have, many of his making. I do think a conversation needs to be had with him about if he’s got the energy to turn this around as I’m not seeing it.

We all don’t want him to go but we are in a results business, if he can’t motivate the players we need to look elsewhere as much as it pains me to say it.


5.) 29 Oct 2022 22:18:50
not sure its attitude tbh, city hadan off day, forrest and leeds are far better teams than ajax who are about league one level. this is surely the norm? . i do agree the players need to run around more and press more we ran 13km less than leeds today which is pathetic and they had loads of chances. but this just felt like eveyr single performance this season nunez misses sitters, defence is just wide open and non existent midfield.


6.) 29 Oct 2022 22:20:02
Milner’s legs have gone and he’s absolutely no pace, Henderson’s legs are going, Thiago can’t run and never has been much of a runner, Fabinho isn’t what you’d call dynamic and never has been, ox, Keita and Arthur are crocks and Elliott, Carvalho and Jones aren’t really centre midfielders. But yeah, it’s all about mentality….


7.) 29 Oct 2022 22:20:08
Sorry but no footballer should need to be pulled back into the right frame of mind. If you haven’t got it you don’t play. Simple.

That being said can we really criticise just the players when the fans at times are just as bad? The atmosphere at Anfield wasn’t exactly a cauldron was it.


8.) 29 Oct 2022 22:21:20
It’s those damn 1945 kick offs. Players are exhausted by that time, all the training they’re doing.


9.) 29 Oct 2022 22:22:48
Well Wassa if footballers were automatically in the right frame of mind all the time, then a significant number of well regarded managers wouldn't have had a career, cos their ability to man-manage and motivate was a significant contribution to their success.

Mr. Ferguson would be a good example. As would Klopp.


10.) 29 Oct 2022 22:29:15
I agree with VVV. Legs have unfortunately gone in our midfield and a rebuild is needed. Klopp will need to give the owners an ultimatum and they have to back him. Klopp deserves that much for what he has done. However, losing back to back against the two bottom side teams is inexcusable.


11.) 29 Oct 2022 22:34:29
There is a world of difference between motivating people to be better than perhaps their own limitations and a professional mindset you don’t deviate from.

Keane didn’t need Sir Alex to man manage him to turn up for any particular game.

That’s the difference between good footballers and elite footballers.

I didn’t really think the attitude was that bad. I didn’t see anybody hiding, didn’t see anybody walking through it. We were just rubbish.


12.) 29 Oct 2022 22:39:18
Of course the players legs have gone. We can out work Man City in a one off game buts that’s our limit now. In normal PL matches we get our run, out fought. If people can’t see that Fabs and Hendo’s legs have gone then they must be watching a different team to me.


13.) 29 Oct 2022 22:41:35
I think the answer is somewhere in between age of midfield and effort, players clearly elevated there performances against city and possibly in the champions league but can’t do this on a consistent basis. Players like Henderson, wijnaldum, Milner, Fabinho are not the most technical players and rely heavily on there power and intensity so when that goes all they have left is there technical ability and that just isint that high. For me the one player who you can point to and say that they aren’t trying there best is Fabinho! The need to get our midfield refreshed is real and if we want to get back to challenging for titles we need some real high intensity players who can attack a game and avoid players like de jong.


14.) 29 Oct 2022 22:47:48
I totally agree with VVVVV, our style of play was high intensity pressing. But the team is ageing and doesn't have the legs to sustain this. The high defensive line needs good positioning, reading of the game and pace and that last item is now lacking.


15.) 29 Oct 2022 22:48:23
Never ever thought that I would say this, but is Klopp's time up. Something is drastically wrong. Either the players haven't got the legs to do what Klopp wants, or Klopp cannot adjust his way of playing to what the players are capable of. Everybody can see that this group of players are playing nowhere near what they played last season. So either this lot of players must go, or Klopp must go, and see if someone else can get a performance out of them. Because what we are seeing recently, is nowhere good enough.


16.) 29 Oct 2022 22:49:56
Nothings changed since Fulham on day one.
Terrible pre season + terrible transfer window = This Garbage.
The only solution is spending money in Jan and buying players. I’ve said it all year. There’s nothing else to discuss.


17.) 29 Oct 2022 23:04:21
I don’t think Klopp’s time is up, he’s earned the right to put this right. It’s going to take big decisions and moving players on, brutal reality is money needs to be spent in January.


18.) 29 Oct 2022 23:05:52
Lfc8 thing your right we definitely need a midfielder seems crazy we bid 80m for a midfielder and ended up with a 80m striker was there mo other midfielder on the radar.


19.) 29 Oct 2022 23:10:22
So who are replacing the centre halves and the goalkeeper with LiverpoolFC8 because that’s why we lost tonight.


20.) 29 Oct 2022 23:12:35
Klopp’s time is not up but he has massive work to do.


21.) 29 Oct 2022 23:38:16
Agreed Mark. I believe he will turn this around, but he needs some investment in order to do that. It is glaringly obvious and has been since the end of last season that we have got to get more quality in the midfield. I don't mean next summer, I mean in January AND next summer. One player won't be enough.

{Ed002's Note - It was Klopp’s decision not to add to the midfield in the summer.}


22.) 30 Oct 2022 00:08:39
One player isn’t enough, Stone. There are still folk out there who think we’re going to sign Bellingham and he’ll be the panacea for all of our ills, which he isn’t and he’s not going to want to sign for a club in decline.


23.) 30 Oct 2022 00:51:18
The problem is money. Manu and Citeh have the cash we do not. It is all about money these days.
The midfield are old or injured, perhaps the defence is as well although the younger ones cannot do it all on their own.
We have been unlucky with quite a few injuries.
The richer clubs just buy. Newcastle are doing well because they have the money.
The once great Barcelona are not doing well because they don't have the money.
I lost interest in football when I realised it was too much about money. That is why the World Cup is in Qatar. .

Money, money, money, money.


24.) 30 Oct 2022 01:12:11
Agreed VVD. If we blow our load on one player that is a waste of money.


25.) 30 Oct 2022 06:19:13
Beyond ****in dreadful - we’ve lost to 3 teams in the bottom three this season. Last season There was a lack of inspiration at times + players getting injured and back to conceding all the time. We were rescued by Diaz coming in to make us unpredictable and Sadio found form when Mo lost his. Thiago stayed fit for periods and midfield solid / workmanlike. Konate did well and Joel was available, Trent on fire for assists.

The side needed huge investment on the summer - and not to lose any key players . especially Sadio.

We got complacent and Pep wrote his book - complete over inflated sense of self-importance that guy.

Now everything has hit at once - ageing squad, too many games last year, players not in the right state, injuries and no big performances. Tactics are either rubbish or players not following orders.

Too many players aren't at the top level. Fans (and manager) deluded on how good Elliott is - and Carvalho isn't a Messi or an Owen / Fowler and Jones isn't a Macca. Curtis is Norwich level. Gomez has been shocking.

Realistically our only world class players are Alisson, Virg and Mo. A few season back we had 7 or 8.

Throw in Diaz when fit + Trent (assists) and Robbo (energy) maybe. Thiago / Jota / Konate on a good day perhaps. Feel sorry for Fab . the rest leave huge gaps and he looks lost.

Quote from Red Bird guy today says it all .

"I think there can be a new form of ownership which monetises intellectual property in the form of a Disney type company where you have the 360-degree flywheel of monetising that, hub and spoke, and that cash flow generation, if you do it right, can go back into a very smart way of putting a value proposition on the field. "

Ward has been ****in useless too . and throw in the recruitment team as well - all summer and between the lot of them they come if with Melo on the last day.

We are in the same position United we're in when everyone was laughing at them last year. Arsenal previous seasons too.

At least we can cull any ideas of Bellingham. Maybe if we turn things around we could do a Rafa 2005 in the CL while being rubbish in the league.

This is pretty much unfixable now - too much neglect. We need 6 x top players in. That's why I say you always buy 2 top players + a top youngster every season without fail. If we'd done that we'd be ok.

Our only hope is other sides run out of money and are in too much debt / hit by FFP constraints. That's why FSG love a self sustaining model . Continue to put **** all in. Rack up £372m of overdraft and loans on LFC - get even more fans through the gates (talk of further stadium expansion) and see the valuation rise. Be very interesting to see the next accounts and where all the money and debt is at : does the£70m + pre tax profit mean that £372m debt has come down a lot and are we still paying FSG back for their last investment (2015/ 16). What have we actually seen from ****in Nike. That person LeBron has made £100m out of his association with LFC. Every yank twat making money off hard working LFC fans.

I feel sorry for Klopp. Too loyal to players and owners that let him down. He could have achieved something monumental but we're just p. ing away his time here and giving him a rebuild job.


26.) 30 Oct 2022 07:28:48
Thank you, ED02. The best post yet on this forum this season. The FSG bashers need to do one. Klopp is at fault here for not signing a midfielder he new we needed cos we’ll, he went for Tchouameni. Why did he not get any of the other options there? The money was there.

I know he wants the right player and will wait BUT you sometimes cannot allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. He could have signed one he could work with till the perfect one came. Then he was forced into panic buying Arthur and we know the rest. I don’t feel sorry for him cos he is in charge of transfers and funds were made available to him. He gambled. He failed so he should deal with the consequences.

It’s all his fault, FACT so the “FSG are stingy” or the “FSG won’t back Klopp” merchants on here need to focus their ire on the very guy they have shielded from criticism by blaming FSG for things they hired Klopp and gave him the funds to fix. Stop shielding him by bearing false witness on FSG. The buck stops with Klopp, end of. Oh one last thing. Julian Ward works for Klopp so blaming him is also a kop out. Ward will not pursue a player Klopp does not want.


27.) 30 Oct 2022 08:01:45
When the time comes for Klopp to move on I’m sure the next manager will be more than happy to spend the millions that FSG are more than willing to throw at the windows.


28.) 30 Oct 2022 08:02:54
Oli, we never actually made an offer for Tchouameni. We went as far as speaking to his agent and that was it. We should have looked at similar players with similar abilities and stats, Sangare literally stands out like a sore thumb in that respect. Relying on our frankly decrepit midfield and bringing in Arthur were two of the worst decisions I can think of. Literally as soon as Ox and Keita were declared fit they should have been wrapped up in cotton wool and moved on. All those poor deluded fools thinking we’re keeping our powder dry to go for Bellingham are going to be very very disappointed.

{Ed001's Note - nobody wanted Ox or Keita. Why keep banging this same tedious drum out of pure ignorance? Both players were available if anyone had the slightest bit of interest, but no one wants them. They will still be overpriced next summer when they are free. Can you please just stop telling everyone the same thing we all knew already anyway? You are just boring the pants off everyone and ruining the site with this tedium. You have told us, no need to repeat yourself every day.}


29.) 30 Oct 2022 09:19:09
VVVV, we were interested in Tchouameni and he was interested in coming to us as well and had RM not coming for him with crazy money, he would be here. The question is why did he not sign one he knew wasn’t perfect BUT one he could work with cos we were desperate for one. If he thought he could work with the current crop then, that’s his cross to bear.

As Ed01 said, would you sign Ox and Naby on the wages their on and with their injury record as an LFC DOF right now? If the answer is no then, why do you keep chirping on here about getting rid of them when you yourself wouldn’t touch them were you in charge of transfers at the club. Come on, man.


30.) 30 Oct 2022 00:01:55
I know Ed. He mocked those of us who kept saying we needed to strengthen the midfield and then walked those comments back. I think it was very naive of him and he's paying the price for it now.


31.) 30 Oct 2022 02:33:56
Ed002 I understand that he did even when everyone was saying we needed midfield reinforcements. He admitted later on that he was wrong. Very naive on his part. How could we all see that but he couldn’t?


32.) 30 Oct 2022 12:17:33
Oli, but we literally did not make an offer for Tchouameni to Monaco, so we never had a dog in that fight. If we were apparently interested, why didn’t we make an offer to Monaco?

As for Ox and Keita, if there were no interested parties, I’d have offered to sever their contracts in the same way Chelsea did with Ross Barkley. Cut losses and move on. We’d have been just as well paying their contracts off and moving them on as letting them see out the last year sat in the treatment room.


33.) 30 Oct 2022 13:53:19
VVVV if we were not interested in him then why were the funds provided to sign him as he was our top target? ED01 has debunked this narrative that we had money for either Darwin or Tchouameni. That is porkies. Klopp was given money fir both so whether we bid for him or not, the dough was there, fact.

So why did he leave himself short Tchouameni or not? Why did he not try to sign any of the other options knowing we needed one even if he wasn’t perfect? Thevmoneu was there Again, Klopp gambled and list. His cross to bear, the end. As for trying to c.


34.) 30 Oct 2022 13:58:15
Sorry VVVV, pressed send too soon. The money was there so why didn’t he do it? Sorry I love Klopp bult he took an unnecessary gamble and lost. His fault to bear.

As for just cancelling contracts of unwanted players, there’s something called Mutual Consent that you seem unfamiliar with. For contracts to be cancelled, both parties have to agree for it to happen. Why would both Naby or Ox agree to do that? What are you going to do if they refuse? Threaten them? Come on, man this ain’t FIFA. This the real world.


 

 

12 Oct 2022 19:03:56
If VAR give this pen to Napoli.

OMG - what a joke.

AngryRobertson

1.) 12 Oct 2022 19:27:15
not LiVARpool again!


 

 

01 Jun 2022 10:56:32
Ed025

What's happened to the rivalry between LFC and EFC?

I'm not from the City but family is - and they always had a great relationship and understanding of each other's teams and respected their achievements

The clubs (from my understanding) kept the City going in the 80's when the Thatcher Government undertook a policy of trying to run the area into the ground

In those days I remember people wanting EFC to win a trophy if it wasn't going to be LFC - and vice versa

Have I got this wrong?

Given what people are going through (and unfortunately I think it will get worse financially before it's gets better) I just don't see the need for wanting your immediate neighbours to fail - that's the community you live in

Or is the change in outlook towards the other team driven by people outside of the City?

AngryRobertson

{Ed025's Note - it used to be great angry. In the 80,s when we went to Wembley twice the atmosphere was amazing mate and we all sang along to “Merseyside Merseyside. Unfortunately times have changed and certainly not for the better. Since the late 90,s I would say things have got steadily worse and has now become a hate filled all out war. I have stopped going now due to the vitriol and nastiness associated with the derbies as the last one I went to disgusted me so much.
Personally I blame social media and the lack of respect especially by the younger generation but to be honest that’s just my view I suppose..


1.) 01 Jun 2022 16:43:12
I agree Ed 25, I spoke before how the Liverpool and Everton fans used to sit beside each other at matches. Games were tough and well fought but both teams and sets of fans had a healthy respect for each other - now its ridiculous, pure vitriol on both sides and its a shame because many family and friends in Liverpool are, and always will be divided blue or red

Like you said Ed, the hatred started to creep in over the 90s and social media is wild for rubbish stirring - its just sad it'll never go back to what it once was.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely bill. These keyboard warriors have killed the game as a spectator sport mate ..


2.) 01 Jun 2022 16:46:03
In my opinion things are not helped by that excuse for a player richarlison saying what he has said recently how he is in the Brazil squad is beyond hw would now get a game for my local amateur team he is though a pretty good actor opinions if you please.

{Ed025's Note - players are actually coached to dive rab and it’s sadly part and parcel of the game these days mate. Ritchie is certainly one of the worst but not the only one I’m afraid ..


3.) 01 Jun 2022 16:47:38
Every single word you said there is true Ed.

{Ed025's Note - sadly your right VVVV..


4.) 01 Jun 2022 17:09:51
Followed this site for years and never posted. I was only thinking about this last night. I remember as a kid fans mixing in the stands at Wembley and how great it was to see. Football has changed so much over the last forty years, some for the better and sadly some for the worse.

{Ed025's Note - I wish I could and the better Matt..


5.) 01 Jun 2022 17:14:33
Spot on End025.social media, lack of respect in the younger generation, and stoked by the main stream media.

All for a bit of friendly rivallary and banter, I even let my Man Utd supporting brother in law in the house (once)

{Ed025's Note - how magnanimous of you mate 🤣


6.) 01 Jun 2022 17:55:43
Have to agree with Ed25 i took my son to his first derby in 2018 and never went back. Was shocked at the scenes and some of the stuff being said, expected a red hot atmosphere but one based in respect, this was just hate. Pure and utter hate. The new generation have social media to air their views on troll accounts etc and its just disgusting how society has changed since my days (im only 38!)


7.) 01 Jun 2022 20:21:02
I blame managers too, moyes with the peoples club shout Rafa with the small club shout. Good shouts for there clubs but not for the city. Only added to the growing spite. These young kids happy to cause uproar, no respect. When I say I didn’t want Everton to go down I meant it but it was based on memories when times where good. Think it will get worse next season because of lampards spat with klopp.


8.) 01 Jun 2022 22:59:33
Plenty of old lads who should know better on both sides are just as bad as the youth.


9.) 01 Jun 2022 19:57:54
Totally agree ed25. its a disgrace these days. Young ones have ruined it. I used to love it back in the day. Football, as our country is fooked.

{Ed025's Note - I wish I could disagree with you marty. But your dead right mate..


 

 

 

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07 Nov 2022 16:27:33
Dont blame it on the Biscan
Don’t blame it on the Hamann
Don’t blame it on the Finnan
Just blame it on Traore….

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07 Nov 2022 16:24:27
Given what’s upcoming in November and December I would think a certain Middle-eastern nation would want to invest / buy

Do the Qatari royals/ investment have shares or own other clubs?

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29 Aug 2022 17:18:59
More likely to get Ross Barkeley….

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12 Jun 2022 08:57:25
Am I right in saying that Adrian and Naby are on higher salaries than Mane?

If that’s is the case- it’s not just Bayern been screwing Sadio about.

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09 Nov 2022 11:14:14
The content of the UEFA Badges is the same in each country
However you would find differences in how it is delivered or what certain emphasis is placed in certain aspects

UEFA B is what I have and achieved a while back
I would only consider the next step if you’re nailed on to get a job in the professional game as it’s a lot to lay out if you’re semi-pro or even amateur.

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{Ed001's Note - if you can get involved with a club, they will usually pay for the badges. Worth keeping an eye on the Training Ground Guru site for jobs in football or LinkedIn is another place football jobs are often advertised.}


 

 

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07 Nov 2022 21:51:21
Could you imagine Bobbys smile in Qatar?
Absolute danger to all the fans in the stadium - be like looking straight into the Sun…

Serious note- clever player and for me a bit of an unsung hero in the success we have enjoyed

Proper player.

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05 Oct 2022 08:36:39
I think we should play 4-4-2
Salah in front of Trent
Diaz in front of Kostas

Someone called it after Saturday? ?‍♂️.

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23 Aug 2022 12:01:58
I think 4-3-3?works fine if we played more of a counter attacking style

For me Diaz, Nunez and Salah all benefit from space in behind to attack

Out play now is soo slow with loads of passes that teams play a low block and there’s nowhere to go

Think about Trent and Robbo putting crosses in 3/ 4 seasons ago and there’s loads of room in the box - now it’s packed with opposition defenders.

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19 Aug 2022 14:07:13
I threw my CV their way:

No left foot
No pace
Cant head it
Lack of top flight experience
Happy to be paid for playing my hobby

They knocked me back

But have forwarded my CV to United….

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