08 Aug 2021 21:23:50
Heard a rumour down here near Southampton that they will be taking Ox on loan for the season. Doesn't seem right to me as he appears to be settled nice in the squad so far in pre-season.
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08 Aug 2021 22:49:58
I don't believe that rumour. I do believe that JK has a plan for Ox.
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09 Aug 2021 02:27:59
OX and Keita are 2 fringe players i don't think Klopp will let go off. he would want them to work out and he sees something in training that we dont.
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08 Aug 2021 21:18:04
No clarkson in the squad surely heading out on loan this week.
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08 Aug 2021 21:27:25
There is another game tomorrow. There was no Bobby, Fabinho, Konate etc. in the squad. They must be heading on loan?
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09 Aug 2021 06:42:39
I read he was off to Blackburn, on loan. Good move, considering he is a local lad and the great job they did with Harvey, last season.
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08 Aug 2021 17:30:29
Not great looking that for Robbo.
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08 Aug 2021 17:47:45
At least he walked off, fingers crossed but we have great cover for him.
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08 Aug 2021 18:27:30
not about being too pessimistic but didn't VVD walk off as well? he's as irreplacable: fingers crossed!
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08 Aug 2021 18:27:38
I blame FSG for this. Should have another 3 left backs just in case.
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08 Aug 2021 18:32:54
Van Djik walked off after he injured his knee and was out for the season so means nothing. Really hope it’s nothing serious though. Suppose tsimikas would finally get a run in the team though if he is out.
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08 Aug 2021 18:56:03
Hope Robbo is ok. Didn’t look good. Still, it’s Tsimikas time to shine.
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08 Aug 2021 19:29:38
I might be wrong but i remember someone saying on here that sometimes ye can walk on a knee initially even when you've done bad damage, very hard and painful to put weight on an ankle if you've done it badly.
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08 Aug 2021 20:40:38
It didn’t look good chaps.
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09 Aug 2021 05:03:37
Jadon Havertz, just for reference when I was skating in 2019 I rolled my ankle. The instant pain was intense, but within 2 minutes I was walking with full weight on my feet and no limp. I even walked up the hill from the skate park to the hospital at Winchester (If you've been to winchester you know that is a long, steep hill) to get it checked as I heard a "crack" when it rolled. Turns out I'd dislocated it and done damage to the ligaments in my ankle.
For around a year I felt no pain while walking but as soon as I tried to skate the pain was unreal.
So yeah, ankle injuries can be serious and still be a 'walk off' substitution.
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09 Aug 2021 06:58:56
None of us would see tbe most critical bits which is hours after and how his ankle swells up.
Unless they have a compound fracture, it's not worth trying to speculate based on what you see on tv. At least its not worth expending stress and energy over ot.
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{Ed001's Note - unless you are Bob Paisley, in which case you would already know exactly what the problem was!}
08 Aug 2021 11:58:45
We're offloading players to balance the Konate fee.
I really don't see any other first team ready players coming in during this window.
We all know how FSG work.
You never know Keita ight surprise is all this season as he should get more game time with Gini gone - if he can stay fit.
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08 Aug 2021 12:14:12
Keita? 2 hopes there Bob and no! ’.
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08 Aug 2021 12:21:10
FSG seemed to work quite well with Alison and VVD both of who cost world record fees for their positions when bought.
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08 Aug 2021 12:19:50
When Keita is fit Klopp often plays him, he is just not fit often enough. How do FSG work? Last year they bought 3 players, 2 first teamers. This year they bought Konate of course they will buy another player if Klopp wants one or two.
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08 Aug 2021 12:29:22
Another season of the comedy “football” stylings of Naby Keita, sigh. Hopefully the Penny will drop within the club that he’s utterly hopeless and be sold next summer after another disappointing season. £50m down the khazi.
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08 Aug 2021 12:41:15
Slop slating our best player on form.
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08 Aug 2021 12:50:34
No he’s absolutely spot on. Keita is not good enough and has been nothing but a waste of time and money. Also, even when on form he’s not even close to our best player.
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08 Aug 2021 13:00:32
West Derby Wanderer, you do realise that Coutinho’s fee paid for Allison and VVD.
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08 Aug 2021 13:01:05
Has been in every game recently.
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08 Aug 2021 13:39:43
I'm going to get behind the lad - if it wasn't for his injury record he'd be a far better player than Wijnaldum by now. Hopefully he can avoid any more lay-offs, and fulfil the potential we saw before he signed.
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08 Aug 2021 13:50:57
IPC12 - you took the words right out of my mouth there!
WDW obviously doesn't realise that fact.
Markp08 - let's just wait and see. What I posted above is my opinion of course, and I could be wrong. 3 weeks to go to see if I am or not.
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08 Aug 2021 14:17:32
Our form player it’s embarrassing to even hear or see people say that! Friendly games they mean Notting mix b match team against the same!
Keita is a klopp dud buy as 02 has said klopped cried for him and he got him he will stick by him too most disbelief!
That lad needs a solid boot in the hole!
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08 Aug 2021 14:29:21
Kieta hasn’t been on form since he signed for us. He got his big move and big pay cheque and went straight into semi retirement.
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08 Aug 2021 15:12:22
He’s a liverpool player who represents the club. Maybe afford him and the manager and the club a little respect! Fans? You give us a bad name. Sometimes things don’t work out as we all hope they would. That doesn’t mean you should turn into an arsehole because it’s hasn’t gone to plan. Fan = supported not some childish boo boy who knows f all about f all.
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08 Aug 2021 15:28:43
We can’t sell Keita because no one will buy him but let’s keep abusing him, that’ll make him play better.
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08 Aug 2021 15:54:24
I know Keita had a torrid time with injures and never really lived up to his true potential with us. While I'm fine if he's sold, but if he's not, let's hope he finally comes good. At the rate that we're signing players this season, we really need the existing players to step up. Rant all we want, if you love Liverpool, stand behind the team. Otherwise, you're free to support PSG or City.
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08 Aug 2021 16:14:01
Posters like IPC12 and KBL amuse me. Do they think that the acquisition and decision to sell Coutinho was nothing to do with the club's management.
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08 Aug 2021 16:18:34
Well said DAPred.
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08 Aug 2021 17:16:45
You lot are embarrassing. constantly slagging off players and the owners. Really tiresome reading it all. Its called support for a reason and you lot clearly ain't supporters.
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08 Aug 2021 17:17:54
Redman and thunderbird. well said, the others are a joke.
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08 Aug 2021 18:00:49
Aye, its embarrassing all right. Its like nearly willing him to fail just so some can be proved right. Weird!
Its a week until the season starts, if he stays then support. He certainly won't get any better ridiculing him.
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08 Aug 2021 19:18:22
We’re in year four of the Naby Keita project and he’s shown nothing in competitive matches in the previous years to suggest he’s got what it takes. It baffles me how people can be so gushing in praise and effusive of someone who has never put even a minute fraction of the hard work and effort that Gini Wijnaldum did and yet Gini used to come in for a lot of grief. If Keita left tomorrow, the club would not miss him, however I can be sure that Gini will be missed as he was reliable, always match fit and put a shift in, all things that Naby has never done.
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08 Aug 2021 19:37:42
Supporters.
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08 Aug 2021 20:11:25
Red planet? What are you talking about? You sell a player, you reinvest… isn’t that what a logical team does?
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08 Aug 2021 20:30:02
IPC12 and KBL. In the 2 transfer windows we purchased VVD and Allison 'with the Coutinho money', we also purchased Keita, Fabinho and Shaq.
With other sales, we actually spent £70ish net, taking into account the Coutinho fee.
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08 Aug 2021 20:43:30
Just wondering how FSG work - enlighten me.
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08 Aug 2021 21:28:12
IPC12 I understand that outgoings at least notionally help balance the books and fund incomings yes.
I also understand - at a basic level at least, having sat at the back of the class when we did maths at school - that FSG invest in assets when they see an asset adding to the value of the club. I also understand that some assets are purchased based on the forecast return from future revenue streams. Over the past 18 months one of the revenue streams has been severely impacted, and as of now continues to be so. So, we don’t have enough money, or certainty of sufficient future match day revenue at the moment to ‘splash the cash’. Even if we did we are also stuck because of the issue of home grown / non-home grown players. Can’t say too much about this because I dropped geography before o-levels but I think it has something to do with coming from Widnes or further away.
I think though, given FSG being a company that is keen to make a profit on their assests and with the proof of the caliber of players they have brought into the club, the state of the art training complex they have built and the upgrades to the ground which will see us with a 67,000 capacity (and more income for us to all play wannabe Premier Manager each transfer window) that they deserve a bit more respect than they sometimes get on these crass threads that people start because we haven’t bought the latest name that some hack with no knowledge thinks up.
Anyway on we go - I read a bit earlier that we are thinking of bidding for some 34 year old Argentinian who is a feee agent …….
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08 Aug 2021 21:47:04
Don’t buy a Porsche if you can’t afford the petrol, John. If someone somewhere could really clarify how one of the most historical clubs, biggest names and very recently super successful with many record breaking sponsorship deals do not have a pot to p. in?
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08 Aug 2021 23:08:46
They do have a pot to pee in. But it sprung a few leaks.
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09 Aug 2021 00:48:16
I did this management course a few years back and they were banging on about data leading to information leading to knowledge leading to wisdom and one of the things they covered in passing was a little thing about knowledge :
There are things you know that you know, for example, your name, address, date of birth.
There are things you know that you don’t know, for example how Margaret Thatcher got elected
There are things that you don’t know that you don’t know, for example as a football fan how the finances of an international brand Premier League football club works ….
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09 Aug 2021 07:00:17
More hopeful and excited for Kieta staying jnjury free and kicking on this season tha I am about new signings.
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08 Aug 2021 11:28:04
Wonder Dog Sparky posted this around half an hour ago: "Skipping in from his playroom, Sparky says has been wondering if Origi and Phillips for Bowen might be of interest to Liverpool. "
Thoughts? Would you be happy with that?
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08 Aug 2021 11:34:39
Is Wonderdog Sparky the reincarnation of Ted Rogers, and more importantly, can he do that 3 2 1 thing with his paws?
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08 Aug 2021 11:37:44
I think that’s a good deal for West Ham.
For us as well? Maybe yeah. We are getting a piece of the jigsaw sorted. I just worry about letting Phillips go, I can’t see it as anything other than a risk, that might be me being overly cautious after watching our defence crumble last season though.
For the 3 players involved I think it suits all 3 as well.
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08 Aug 2021 11:38:38
Not sure id be happy payine 30-35 million for Bowen which is roughly the value of Nat and Div. Think id prefer to just keep them both tbh.
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08 Aug 2021 11:52:19
I'd prefer to keep Nat and not sign Bowen but in terms of valuations, West Ham would reject this.
Nat clearly has been available for £15M and a bid of around £12M would surely do for Origi so £27M for Bowen - I think West Ham would want closer to £35M.
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08 Aug 2021 12:08:10
£20mill more like, think we'd be doing well to get £8m for Divock in this market. And Phillips is a FIFTH choice defender, if anyone is willing to give us £12-15m jump on it.
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08 Aug 2021 12:21:46
We have to wait until VVD and Gomez are fully fit. We have to learn from last year. Phillips can be sold in Jan if all is well.
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08 Aug 2021 12:33:49
If somebody offered us £ 35m for Origi and Phillips I would be very surprised if the overwhelming majority on didn’t say yes.
By the same token, we are (allegedly) looking for a versatile front player who would basically be a back-up, along with Jota and possibly Ox and Elliot for our front three. I assume but am ready to stand corrected, that Bowen is classified as HG and selling Divock would mean we could sign another Johnny Foreigner type of chap?
So, in theory we would seem to be getting a potentially reasonable deal. That said (10 pts if you can think of one) - when was the last time that a transfer happened that consisted of three players in a swap deal?
Perhaps Sparky is just being a bit mischievous after all?
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08 Aug 2021 13:07:59
Have to say i'd rather loan an attacker like Coutinho for a season than pay silly money for Bowen, especially when we have such good young players coming through in them positions.
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08 Aug 2021 13:39:21
I think this wouldn’t be a bad deal. Bowen suits our style better than Origi. Of course he’s got to a lot of work to do on his game but mane wasn’t the finished article before he joined.
As for Phillips if he wants to get minutes who are we to stop him after the shift he put in last season…unless everyone saying keep him means he should start before konate, matip, Vvd and Gomez.
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