Liverpool Rumours Archive August 07 2017

 

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07 Aug 2017 20:40:31
Virgil Van Duke hands in transfer request to force through move to LFC. Let's hope it happens now.

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07 Aug 2017 21:39:10
He's going wherever he can get. LFC ruined him at Southampton with more tapping up. I'd love to see it but I reckon he'll be wearing blue next season and for a cut price compared to what we would have to pay.

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07 Aug 2017 21:41:13
It's to force a move, if anyone else offers the money I'm sure saints would rather deal with them.

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07 Aug 2017 21:42:14
or he is sold to Chelsea if SH will not do business with LFC.

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07 Aug 2017 22:03:25
He is coming to Anfield.

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07 Aug 2017 22:16:19
LFC ruined him?
Virgil is a big boy, earning lots of money. No one dragged him screaming to Blackpool.

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07 Aug 2017 22:29:34
He said himself that Southamton have known for 6 months that he wanted to leave.

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07 Aug 2017 22:39:35
I think we blew it with VVD he will be a blue of Chelsea. I sincerely hope I'm wrong as I love humble pie.

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07 Aug 2017 22:51:51
I reckon he could go to Chelsea no problem.

The transfer request is because he wants us but Southampton hate us.

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07 Aug 2017 23:17:50
He didn't need a transfer request to move to Chelsea. It's only necessary for Liverpool to get involved and that's why he put it through.

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07 Aug 2017 23:18:14
Would struggle to get in Chelsea starting 11 they don't need him.

Man city will be in for him.

LFC have ballsed this whole thing up and Think he will go elsewhere I'd Southampton have that luxery.

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08 Aug 2017 00:09:32
Chelsea have like 17 centerbacks though. He would definitely be a boss at LFC.

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08 Aug 2017 00:42:52
Exactly Robin. My thoughts too.

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08 Aug 2017 07:01:38
I know we messed up but let's not jump to conclusions. Just wait and see what happens. I think we could get him but, we might have to pay more than what Chelsea would pay for him - compensation for our m**k up. All in all though, this has been an underwhelming transfer window thus far.

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08 Aug 2017 10:42:51
Personally don't believe the Chelsea link, there's no chance of him replacing Azpilicueta, Cahill or Luiz, so is he going to go there to be 4th choice or possibly 5th choice behind the current 4th choice Rudiger? Chelsea have more pressing areas to improve, not CD.

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea want a centre back and have long term interest in van Dijk.}

08 Aug 2017 14:13:45
Don't forget they've also signed Rudiger, who I assume would expect to be higher than 5th choice.

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07 Aug 2017 18:51:12
Ed002's Note - Would you be a little happier if Andre Gomes was part of the deal Macca? }

Hi Ed002,

To be honest don't know enough about him, what do you see happening, as in if he goes who will come in?

Cheers

Macca.

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{Ed002's Note - He is one of a number of players who are available to be included in transfers by Barcelona, he has specifically been offered to Liverpool in an attempt to put a framework around the offer they will return with in the coming days. Additionally his agent has been in London with Chelsea over another matter and may well inform Manchester United as to his availability. So it is possible that the offer may include him.}

07 Aug 2017 19:38:01
I'd heard that his agent had been talking to Mourinho.

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07 Aug 2017 19:47:47
I'm guessing Rafinha would be another option?

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07 Aug 2017 20:00:03
Ed I take it Gomes would of been sounded out to see if he would fancy a move to us before being offered, and we would of course need to agree personal terms with him?

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{Ed002's Note - At some point he would have to be.}

07 Aug 2017 20:16:59
Here's my take on him. Its no surprise that Barcelona went for him. He and coutinho are very similar.
He has great ball control and dribbling skills and seems to be a step ahead of play when on form. He has a great eye for a pass and seems to be able to pick his spot. During his time at Valencia he chipped in with goals but through playing a sloightly different role for Barcelona didn't get quite as many shooting chances.
The bad.
Doesnt have Phil's shooting distance or power so don't expect goals from nothing. There's also the huge question mark about if he can adapt to the quicker and more physical prem league. The few times he's been up against physical teams he shies away though it's hard to judge as there's not enough examples.
His stamina is a tad low especially for our high tempo high pressing style so we might find he fades at the 65-75 min mark. The second big question mark is whether or not he settles, he's not settled very well at Barcelona and largely doesn't feel part of the group.

I'll let y'all decide whether or not youd like him based on my basic scouting report gathered from watching games and from my coaching staff friends at some Spanish clubs (not barca)

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07 Aug 2017 20:26:36
Rafinha is very mediocre. Not worth what they're asking for him and a substantial down grade in Coutinho.

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07 Aug 2017 20:47:53
Lots of negative points there nevada 😲

Think we should just take th cash and see who is available or can take us to another level.

It doesn't have to be like for like replacement.

Anyone would be downgrade from couts better to look for a player who would have a massive impact on our season 😊😊👍👊.

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07 Aug 2017 21:05:36
It's far too late in the transfer window to sell Coutinho! Especially Lallana being out for several months. There is no back up. If he goes we will struggling with the amount of games we have. Even with Gomez in exchange or Ox coming in, they both need time to settle. We can't let him go this window, January perhaps or next season!
Owners need to do what's best for the team, now the finances are stable!
After a great pre season, this would be a killer blow to the team!

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07 Aug 2017 21:10:22
I'm not sure I'd agree there kopite7 I gave many good points. As far as creative passing and dribbling go gomes has a similar level of talent to Phil. Sacriledge I know but it's pretty true. I coach friend of mine at atletico said when they scouted him previously they ear marked him as having the same potential as David Silva (though obviously not the same skillset)

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07 Aug 2017 21:19:31
Let's also not forget when Phil came to us we got an inconsistent yet very talented and humble individual willing to adapt to the team and put the time in to learn the league and style. He was not the semi finished article he is today just like gomes wouldn't be. Phil also came to us as a player who struggled in a weaker league (like gomes though arguably gomes is further than Phil was as his work at Valencia was outstanding) people were skeptical when we were rumoured with Phil and after we signed him for quite a while (not me I was sold on him based on what friends at inter had told me) there's quite a few parallels that can drawn.

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07 Aug 2017 21:18:23
Eds are they Dennis Suarez available.

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{Ed002's Note - Potentially.}

07 Aug 2017 21:44:31
What about giving young Ryan Kent a shot? He's looked like an absolute weapon in pre-season? Don't like talking business as such but if we paid £8.5mil for Pip and we sell on for £100mil then that's not bad business and Kent is looking the business if he was given a run in the team with the fans getting behind him instead of our usual demand of thirty goals a season or you can beat it?

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07 Aug 2017 21:45:13
Would we really need to replace couts? Personally I think Firminho can step in as that is really his position in the first place. I believe should he be sold the money would be better invested in quality in other areas of the squad GK CF and Defence. Not sure if many would agree.

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07 Aug 2017 22:34:12
We play better with Coutinho in the team.

We lack ideas when we doesn't play.

Firmino (the one you say can replace him) looks half the player when Coutinho doesn't play. Nobody else seems to be at the same speed mentally on the pitch.

If we sell Coutinho and he is not replaced with a similarly effective player then we will regress next year and be back out of the champions league as quickly as that.

This is a year to solidify and build our standing in Europe with a good season in the league and champions league. Not a year to sell your best player and get Firmino or (as one persona suggested) Ryan Kent for gods sake to try and fill in for a world class talent.

I'm not being negative, as nothing has happened yet but anyone under the illusion that we will challenge for the league or even finish top 4 by selling Coutinho and not effectively replacing what we brings to the team in CREATIVITY and link up play with our team is frankly deluded.

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07 Aug 2017 23:49:40
Andre Gomes has no guile to his play. He is not quick enough with his feet nor with his thought. I saw him a few times when he was with Valencia where he was given more freedom to attack, but at LFC he will also need to do his defensive side, and this is another area where he is just really poor.

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08 Aug 2017 01:37:01
If vvd comes and gomes as part of coutinio deal I still feel we need some more quality in cm role. But truth be told, with resurgence of moreno and Milner playing in midfield again, vvd and gomes in, coutinio out would be ok. Not the end of the world by any means.

We may be losing a little creativity but bolstered defence should even it out, results wise.

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08 Aug 2017 03:02:13
With all of this around Coutinho, can't really knock us if we slid a cheeky bid in for Sanchez, got a few years on Coutinho but he's still a quality player and clearly unsettled at Arsenal and he can play in a multitude of positions which seems to be Klopp's preference.

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08 Aug 2017 08:30:48
Why don't we try to get Turan or Rakitic included in the deal (provided they're willing to come of course)?

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08 Aug 2017 09:14:30
I agree with scruffy. What about Rakitic? I'd rather take him (although he is 29) and not have that mad 'end of window scramble' to buy anyone at any price to replace Phil, presuming that he goes. Rakitic is direct, has got the skills and has played at the highest level.

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{Ed001's Note - and has been on a downhill slope for the last 2 seasons.}

08 Aug 2017 09:45:50
Fair enough Ed001.
Don't you think it's quite ironic that we spend all summer chasing a player, throwing money at the club and continually getting told 'he's not for sale' to then be placed in that position ourselves? Hopefully Liverpool have learnt a thing or two in this window about the value of a player to a team, compared to the value of money.

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{Ed001's Note - it is the way of the world.}

08 Aug 2017 17:20:53
I respectfully disagree @theRealAG one of gomes best qualities is his quick thinking and reading of the game. More often than not he appears to play 5 or 6 seconds ahead of his opposition. Good players can do this.
For me the question marks are against his mentality and his stamina.

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07 Aug 2017 18:15:47
Andre Gomez to miss the friendly tonight! It all looks happening. Coutinho will be gone before Saturday!

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07 Aug 2017 18:54:03
How did you come to that conclusion Harry? Who said we are selling and want Gomes? Your posts get more and more ridiculous, if that's possible!

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07 Aug 2017 19:05:57
Ed002 has said that Barcelona will offer the players they don't want in the Coutinho deal, including Gomes.

I hope Liverpool aren't stupid enough to take Gomes.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not quite like that - they want to know if Liverpool will take any as part of the deal then they will come up with a proposal.}

07 Aug 2017 18:31:32
He is missing the friendly because he is injured.

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07 Aug 2017 19:26:33
I thought player exchanges or involved with some sort of swap deal hardly ever happened anymore.

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{Ed002's Note - They don't.}

07 Aug 2017 20:34:19
You right, very infrequently, but they do happen, Lukaku/ Rooney being a recent example. Although I don't know if technically that was two separate deals, but you get my drift. So let's be ambitious, Pique anyone ( loooooooool)

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07 Aug 2017 20:42:55
They were two separate transactions Hoody.

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07 Aug 2017 21:59:41
I'd take Messi, or Ter Stagen plus cash. Oh and Suarez.

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08 Aug 2017 02:22:27
I'd only want Suarez back i think from that Barcelona team, though i do like the look of sergi roberto, when he's in CM not RB, however not in place of young phil. Id much rather just hold onto couts as we've look exciting in Preseason, i want to see, mane, salah, couts just shredding teams.

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08 Aug 2017 05:35:01
I would swap Coutinho with Umtiti + 100 million, unfortunately it is not possible
The combination of Mane, Salah and Coutinho seems very promising just like the possibility of Torres and Suarez combo years ago.

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07 Aug 2017 17:13:19
Virgin Van Dijk has handed in a transfer request. Are we actually going to go in again now eds? Sorry for the repeated question but hopefully this changes something.

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{Ed001's Note - that is up to Saints. They have to accept the request first.}

07 Aug 2017 17:26:48
If the request gets accepted then will that mean he is open to talk to all teams. Including us?

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{Ed002's Note - No, it doesn't mean anything of the sort.}

07 Aug 2017 17:26:51
Changes nothing really does it. doesn't mean Saints will deal with us and they have to accept it first, and it brings Ars n Che into play.

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{Ed002's Note - And Manchester City potentially.}

07 Aug 2017 17:28:19
In his statement he mentions he wasn't happy that Saints turned down offers from numerous clubs. Is this him Boxing clever and keeping LFC's name out of it or is it an open invite from him for other clubs.

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07 Aug 2017 17:34:31
If I banged my head against the wall everytime Van Dijk was mentioned (which I've considered doing each time it's brought up) than I wouldn't have any brain cells left. I hope this saga gets cleared up soon. I can't wait to stop talking about VVD.

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07 Aug 2017 17:35:06
Lets not get to excited chaps. As explained, all the top prem teams will be in for him, And we still have that club statement in place withdrawing interest in the player! I fail to see why everyone is happy all of a sudden.

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07 Aug 2017 17:39:51
Yes it doesn't mean that they will accept offers with us. Southampton may refuse to deal with LFC however, it will now be interesting to see how serious LFC are and whether they will actually bid the type of money that has been talked about 70mill etc.

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07 Aug 2017 17:49:10
If we don't get him after all the fuss that we've created to unsettle the player, we're going to get trolled hard by the team who will eventually sign him. We'll end up doing the dirty business for our rivals and making it easy for them. That being said, hopefully Southampton will consider doing business with us and hopefully VVD is still interested to sign for us as I feel we need him more than our rivals. Sure hope he'll make the right decision.

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07 Aug 2017 17:53:05
We need to offer the full 75 million or whatever they are asking and get the deal done! Fingers crossed.

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07 Aug 2017 18:00:00
I wonder how these things work, because I ain't got an igloo. So vvd hands in transfer request let's say for arguments sake saints accept it, do they contact the club's who have made an enquiry and say "right we have accepted a transfer request in behalf if vvd and our price is £xxx amount" would vvd agent advisors contact the club's who have enquired and say "saints have accepted a transfer request and informed us the price is this much" or is there such a thing as a transfer list that clubs look at and see who is available?

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{Ed002's Note - No it is nothing like that.}

07 Aug 2017 18:06:57
Didn't Klopp say this morning we don't need another centre half. Will we even bid for him.

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07 Aug 2017 18:16:41
Im sorry I just don't see what all the fuss is about VVD he is the Dutch version of lovren he is just as rash the only two things he has on lovren is he plays better with the ball on ground and he is quicker if we do get him I can see him doing the exact same mistakes lunging in etc.

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07 Aug 2017 18:24:01
Of course it is good news. They will surely except tr. As not doing so cannot be good for their reputation. It is finally a bit of give in one of our top target sagas this summer. The pundits seem to think it's lfc he is going to join, never doubted it for a minute. this is the first crack in the dam, can't wait for it crumble. Still think we will sign the midfielder who gives you wings as well. Keep coutinio, win league. Even more unusual.

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07 Aug 2017 18:12:48
Sorry ed002, I didn't wanna cause any inconvenience as I said I ain't got a clue how it works. Was just a little curios how the underbelly of footy transfers work.

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07 Aug 2017 18:19:16
All very underhand. If what's has been said is true then even if other clubs come on for him and Southampton refuse to deal with us then VVD may refuse to move to them. Very underhand and not great if it happens, but I would like him to come to us. Shame it's come to this needlessly.

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07 Aug 2017 14:55:43
Eds or macca can you confirm or deny the reported interest in the Moroccan guy from Ajax Hakim Ziyech?

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{Ed002's Note - If there is interest then that would not be a complete surprise. There has been no approach to Ajax as of this morning.

"Hoffenheim and Sampdoria were disappointed with January 2016 rejections for Hakim Ziyech who chose to move to Ajax in the summer of 2016 over interest from Fenerbahce, Dortmund, CSKA Moscow, Sunderland, Swansea and Southampton. Other sides including Inter, Roma, Crystal Palace Leicester all looked to the player when he was at Twente. His agent has said that "Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs have come from England to watch my player" - who comes with a great deal of baggage - but there is nothing to substantiate that at all. Chelsea has a player on loan at Ajax, Spurs took a look at Dolberg and Liverpool, unless Coutinho is leaving, may have done the same."}

07 Aug 2017 15:43:20
I can see it now,

Andre gomes
Oxlade Chamberlain
Vvd
Maybe this ziyech or meyer.

Business done. Just guessing from rumours and bits floating about and if I'm honest I'd take that at this point lol.

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07 Aug 2017 16:09:52
Van Dijk is not going to join. He will either stay at Southampton or join Chelsea. There's absolutely zero point signing Oxlade as he's not needed. Gomes is of interest to another of his agent's clients.

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07 Aug 2017 16:11:57
Andre Gomes is a good player but s poorer version of Emre Can for me. Pointless signing.

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07 Aug 2017 16:16:11
Got me curious with "baggage". Care to elaborate on that, Ed002?

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{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant - the clubs will know.}

07 Aug 2017 16:31:43
I'll fill him in Ed. Ziyech has a massive wardrobe. He never wears the same thing twice yet refuses to throw anything away. So what you think would be a cheap flight ticket to get him from Netherlands to liverpool is in fact quite expensive when you take into account his "baggage". This has been putting a lot of clubs off him.

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07 Aug 2017 17:22:23
Massive falling out with the Morroco national coach, bit of a big time Charlie according to some.

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07 Aug 2017 18:55:01
Picking up on what Leeeee posted and the Eds could probably confirm this but I've heard that Max Meyer's preference is to go to Spurs but possibly not until next year. Info came from a Schalke fan who has connections to the club.

Not sure I'm overly bothered as I don't think he's that great.

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08 Aug 2017 02:25:44
The only player i would want off that list is VVD, still think it's unlikely to happen though. Ox isn't needed and not really sure he would improve things. Though i hope he has a good season at Arsenal.

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07 Aug 2017 13:06:31
Hi eds

I seem to remember a few months back a couple of other CBS were mentioned as us keeping a watching brief (I think it was Ed1 so apologies if I'm mistaken)

They were nastasic and dragovic - do you have any info why decided against pursuing?

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{Ed001's Note - no sorry.}

07 Aug 2017 12:52:46
Right now i am not doing too well with my predictions apologies for that, we appear to be inept at signing players in the correct manner

With regards Coutinho, it was well documented he would give us another 12 months minimum, things obviously changed due to the Neymar sale.

Klopp doesn't want to sell and i worry that if the club do then they have undermined him, what happens then.

He wants to leave because Barcelona have said now or never, he is a good guy who is torn what to do, his family are pushing to go now and make life difficult at Liverpool but i am not sure that's his style, i know this sounds like i am hedging my bets but as of yesterday it was very much 50/ 50, as in push for the move etc or give us another year.

This causes massive ramifications for me if he goes now, is the squad strong enough anyway, can the board be trusted to spend the money, right now they can't even close a deal for a defender who is/ was desperate to come .

But until yesterday Coutinho didn't even know what to do.

All my info is as accurate as it can be, as we know things can change very very quickly .

Not trying to pass info on for any kind of notoriety, just trying to give you a heads up so you can have an idea what is going on.

Cheers

Macca.

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{Ed002's Note - Would you be a little happier if Andre Gomes was part of the deal Macca?}

07 Aug 2017 13:00:41
I can't be mad at Coutinho for wanting to go. I understand his reasons, but its the fact that we will handle the fallout badly. Great to hear from you Macca.

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07 Aug 2017 13:23:19
Well you got Robertson right Macca.

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07 Aug 2017 13:24:44
Thanks as always Macca. Much appreciated.

Seems like the lad has behaved impeccably. My favorite player too. Can’t blame him for wanting to go, and will wish him the best of luck if it transpires, but I’ll just be sorry to see him go.

This window’s proving painful. And I’d agree on wondering (with some trepidation) what the ramifications are, both for Klopp and Club. An important few weeks coming up.

Thanks again Macca and brgds,

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07 Aug 2017 13:28:41
Thanks for the input macca.

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07 Aug 2017 13:36:22
Gomes would not be my choice to be included in the deal. He's prob worth about 10-15mill after his performances last year.

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07 Aug 2017 13:39:50
I hope we're not going to become similar to Arsenal just fighting for 4th most of the time.

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07 Aug 2017 13:41:27
Ed I take it Andre Gomes has been offered or discussed? I no youve said Barcelona has a list of players they will be happy to move on but does he seem there likely one?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, I understand he has been offered as part of the proposal for Coutinho.}

07 Aug 2017 13:43:17
All tid bits are greatly appreciated macca you legend.

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07 Aug 2017 13:43:27
Cheers for the update macca.
Can I ask eds/ macca what's klopps view on the matter?
Also if he is sold will the monies be but back into the team or do they think we are strong enough as is?

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{Ed002's Note - Klopp doesn't want to sell - I think that has been made pretty clear. I would not give any thought to the money.}

07 Aug 2017 13:43:52
Cheers Macca - appreciate the background intel. This makes sense to me and can understand Coutinhos dilemma, hopefully he decides to stay.

Thankfully we brought in Salah so at least we have two wingers still, but we really need his creativity a bit deeper. He really is our game changer and those don't come along often.

Agree we also need to fix our recruitment quick - it'll be unforgivable if we didn't have a contingency plan in place for Couts, not to mention the shambles that the VVD situation developed into. Sincerely hope we can sort that one out.

YNWA.

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07 Aug 2017 13:46:19
Hi Ed's

In light of Macca's update, in particular the questioning of the hirachey, how much thought will there be in terms of what a £100m+ bid (or what ever figure is true) could go towards other day to day running activities of the club? Could the owners ear mark X amount towards the redevelopment of the Anfield Road End or is stadium developed totally unrelated to generated transfer fees?

Many thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - It really doesn't work like that. You need to remove any thoughts about money.}

07 Aug 2017 13:50:43
If we had got keita couts would have left by now, been saying that for weeks. With no keita available everything is different. For me I would love Della Ali and gomes. think we have enough up front to win matches but we conceed to many, think gomes, wini and Della Alli would real pace and power in the middle. Keep lallana Henderson and probably sell can as grujic is improving. Alli and homes for can and couts. :-) fantasy football.

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07 Aug 2017 13:51:47
If Barcelona are saying Now or Never, they need to be asked to put their money where their mouth is and cough up £150m minimum.

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{Ed002's Note - And this folks, is why we don't like talking about money.}

07 Aug 2017 14:01:13
Hi Ed's, how do you rate Andre Gomes as a replacement for Coutinho? I don't watch Spanish footy and YouTube isn't a good assessment of a player. Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I rate him as a 31.}

07 Aug 2017 14:08:20
Cheers Macca and ed2.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

07 Aug 2017 13:16:43
Ed002 was the Andre Gomes inclusion speaking hypothetically or has this been discussed?

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

07 Aug 2017 13:20:21
I think the Coutinho sale is done and has being done for weeks now.
Did anybody here think FSG where going to spend 120m on VVD and Keita without a sale to balance the books.?

The boy wants to to leave so leave him leave.
But why is it every time we have a world class player they want to go.?
Maybe Coutinho is sick of the FSG business model like I am.

Next year or the year after when Mane hits the heights we will be here again saying the same thing over and over again.

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07 Aug 2017 13:21:27
Cheers macca.

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07 Aug 2017 14:17:28
Big respect to Macca and the Ed's. As we all know brains and football supporters never go in the same sentence.

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07 Aug 2017 14:18:17
Seems like SkySports watch this page. 10mins after macca post SkySources release something similar.

Ed's and Macca should be on there wage bill.

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07 Aug 2017 13:09:01
Really appreciate you posting Macca, you can't be blamed for the clubs inept business skills. Here's to hoping Cout stays as like you say, I have little to no faith they will be able to even remotely replace him.

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07 Aug 2017 13:09:33
Dear Ed2, I don't watch a lot of Spanish footy but how do you rate Andre Gomes as a player? Looking at the stats he's no where near Cout's.

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - He's a 31.}

07 Aug 2017 13:14:46
Thanks for the info macca. It is much appreciated as always.

If he goes do you expect klopp to push for his own exit?

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07 Aug 2017 13:15:20
well said, feel for the guy.

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07 Aug 2017 14:22:58
You are right Ed, apologies for that. But whatever the figure, its more about the ramifications within the club as Macca has said. Will Klopp consider his position? Probably not.

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{Ed002's Note - Not until the Bayern Munich one becomes available in 2019.}

07 Aug 2017 14:23:50
If Pipco goes then nobody can truly blame him. If he does and the board do not sensibly spend and stengthen then I believe they would have damaged their relationship with Klopp and us the fans. The dealings at our club have been badly managed year on year and yet nothing has altered. Consequently I have to believe that our heirarchy are not up to the job. this might be true or not but it's difficult to see passed the mistakes. If I made a mistake at work I'd possibly be warned. if I made the same mistake over and over again I'd probably be fired. but if my workplace allowed the same mistake to be repeated regardless of workers then they'd be negligent and stupid at the least. FSG need to stop their relative silence and express how they'll improve the protocols in future. the current transfer committee has failed to work well. If they do not then they are in danger of allowing us to convince ourselves that they are happy with the protocols because it suits their purposes.

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07 Aug 2017 14:33:27
Thanks macca
So it looks like klopp is getting undermined there's only one way this will play out in the end. 🙈.

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07 Aug 2017 14:45:13
I really believe that lfc would be foolish to turn down a high bid for Couts as good as he is he can still and does get injured. Better to replace him with a couple of excellent players and wish him well.

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07 Aug 2017 14:56:27
Macca also asking the question there can the board be trusted to bring in the right players IF coutinho leaves?

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07 Aug 2017 15:01:43
anyone other than Coric as a replacement wouldn't excite me. but would love to be proved wrong.

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07 Aug 2017 15:16:20
According to Sky: Coutinho wants to move if deal can be done amicably. What exactly does that mean? Does that mean he will force a move or he won't? Because if he doesn't force a move then Liverpool will perhaps not sell him (not this year at least), and all the word coming out of Liverpool Echo is the club will not sell.

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{Ed002's Note - It will become clear in the coming days as Barcelona will return to put a firm proposal on the table.}

07 Aug 2017 15:26:55
Totti, our world class players always want to go primarily because they are always Latin players, and Latin players dream of Spain. Otherwise, they have wanted to move on because the club was either stuck in mid-table, or a manager (rafa) was undermining him. It's the consequence of having really good players with Spanish/ Portuguese-speaking backgrounds.

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07 Aug 2017 15:28:52
There's only one player I'd happily let Phil go so we can buy and that is Mbappe. We couldn't afford him without selling Phil. But with the money from the sale it becomes possible.

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07 Aug 2017 15:53:10
I'm slightly confused as to how the pipco sale would be the boards or FSG fault, sure they can say we don't want you to go and say he is not for sale but then if he personally wants to go you can't stop the lad, everyone saying VVD should hand in a transfer request and fob Southampton off what would you say if pipco did that to us? Liverpool deserve this for screwing up there summer business it was all there fault no one elses, this is nothing to do with the board or FSG this is Klopp being a total ass and messing everything up, good luck at Barcelona if it does happen personally myself I would drop Bobby into CAM and try and identify a 20 goal season striker and go all out or if we can sacrifice someone to the gods to get sturridge to stay fit for the season lol.

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07 Aug 2017 16:08:40
Thanks for response ed.

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07 Aug 2017 16:25:12
If PC goes I'd say we get back to ? and flash RBL some silly-money. The footballing world is absolutely out of joints and more dog-eat-dog than ever.

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07 Aug 2017 16:34:18
If the club sell Coutinho this season then that sends a message to everyone that we are not serious at wanting to be a top club in England let alone Europe. Klopp will be undermined and frankly he might as well go and find a club with owners prepared to back his judgement and follow through on the project.
Coutts immediate chemistry with Salah and the return of Mane bodes well for the coming season and we must keep this core of the squad to push on whilst finding a replacement for him in 2018.
RB Leipzig held firm and its time for the owners to show some balls.

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07 Aug 2017 16:57:58
Spot on, patemondo. Unless Coutinho rocks the boat and becomes too unsettled to be relied upon, Liverpool are in a strong position and do not need to sell. If RBL can refuse to sell Keita even while he is rocking the boat, then Liverpool should be able to reject Barcelona when by comparison Coutinho is much more chilled out about his situation. Whatever lufty fee Liverpool would gain from this will mean nothing because they won't be able to find a suitable replacement with that money by the time 31 august rolls around - unless this Andre gomes guy is very good?

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Keita. If Liverpool want to block any sale a good starting point is not sittiung down with them to negotiate.}

07 Aug 2017 17:19:59
I have thought that Ed, regarding your previous posts about meetings in London. If he ain't for sale, he ain't for sale, why would you even entertain talks?

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{Ed002's Note - The plan is that Barcelona will return to put a formal proposal on the table in the next couple of days.}

07 Aug 2017 18:12:00
Cheers macca. Good to hear coutinio still cares about us a lot. Bless him. I don't blame him, who could. We all know what it's like to have the missus on your case!

Barca are going to say now or never. I wonder if they will stick to that when Phil does start scoring 30 goals a season for us next year.

Thanks for the heads up.

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07 Aug 2017 18:13:36
not to be rude but Andre Gomes is absolutley horrible. i don't think i have ever seen him have a good game in like 30+ games i have seen him play in. I think FSG need to GO now sadly. no chance of ANY success under them.

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07 Aug 2017 18:22:32
I think he will stay now. Good report from macca, I still expect k to sign and expect v to sign and I hope we shut lampard up.

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07 Aug 2017 18:08:54
I know it has nothing to do with Keita Ed, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with copying RBL's principle that worked for them, considering the fact they're in a stronger negotiating position than RBL anyway.

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07 Aug 2017 19:22:06
If Klopp throws his toys out of the pram due to our transfer dealings then I'm not convinced he's all that anyway. Half of the deals we are failing on are either because he acted inappropriately or flogged a dead horse, or red bull.

Selling Coutinho may not be his desire but if Barcelona have gone about matters in the right way (kind of), the money is good and the player wants to go, then the board aren't daft enough to keep him if he's not happy. Not keen to lose Coutinho but Liverpool will still be here long after he's gone.

Not keen on Gomes though.

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08 Aug 2017 01:32:19
Snap, not keen on Gomes either, sorry but I've never seen him have a good 25 mins nevermind full game, what is it with us getting shocking deals when it comes to player exchanges. Antonio nunes anyone? I know it hasn't happened yet and may not but come on surely if a player exchange is on the cards we could maybe be a little more ambitious, probably a stupid question Ed's but do the selling club ever have any say as in choice on who is part of any player plus cash deal?, I mean do they get a chance to say who they could want? Sorry if it is a stupid question just these player (s) plus (dirty word) cash deals are very rare these days and last time we took part in one we parted company with (at the time) one of the hottest goal scorers in world football and got a ridiculously below average midfielder in return, oh and 8 million ha ha, who could forget that bit, don't worry I'm not asking about money as - as recent deals show - it really doesn't seem to matter anymore, cheers in advance for any replies!

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{Ed001's Note - yes of course they do.}

08 Aug 2017 02:33:53
Cheers Macca, always nice to see you posting!

Bit gutted to hear this as we know Macca know's his stuff. Couts is a top lad though always just gets on with things and acts professional. So can't really blame him if he does want to leave. Just coming so late in the window, i think viably we still have a very good squad but couts just has something magic about him.

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07 Aug 2017 11:55:23
Ed are psg still interested in coutinho.

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{Ed002's Note - The interest is there but they have other players they would prefer ahead of him and they have done nothing about Coutinho, so it is unlikely he will be moving there this summer.}

07 Aug 2017 09:57:20
Hi Ed02. One for you.

I wonder if it's totally out of the question that should Coutinho leave, Salah would replace him and we move for original target Julian Brandt for the left wing spot?

I'd think Coutinho leaving would be a change in circumstances that may considerably allay Brandt's concerns about game time and make the move a lot more appealing.

Seems most logical and sensible to me.
Whether we like it or not Coutinho is likely moving. We have to look to respond and adapt best as we can.

Has that horse bolted now? Your take please Ed.

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Salah can play across the front three but is naturally a left footed right winger. Julian Brandt is naturally a left footed left winger but can play on the right and also behind a striker. But remember Salah was purchased as Brandt was not available. Brandt's problem was game time, with Coutinho gone he would likely be happier. We'll see.}

07 Aug 2017 10:23:21
I think it would be best to go for sigurdsson he would likely play centrally as coutinho does but although he lacks dribbling skills that position will suit him just fine.

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07 Aug 2017 10:23:54
I'd hope so too Ed. As I said, seems most sensible to me. Brandt was the player originally wanted and now the likely change in circumstances should revive this option.
Thanks again for the reply.

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07 Aug 2017 10:38:36
Im not sure how buying another winger replaces a central play maker tbh. If Phil leaves then surely we need a like for like player to replace him.

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07 Aug 2017 10:57:05
If Phil does end up going (hopefully not) and we get £90-£100m then why not bid for Bale. Whether he would come is another thing but why not.

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{Ed002's Note - Why bid that much for a player Liverpool has no interest in?}

07 Aug 2017 11:13:33
Bale is overrated and injury prone, you would be lucky to get three good months a season from him.

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07 Aug 2017 11:17:49
If Phil leaves (please don't leave) then it will be terrible for us. We still have lallana for that position. Though we lose goals then. Or Firmino but then I'd say we need another striker unless studge stays fit. I'd like to see us go back in for Coric who I think is probably the closest in style of play to Phil that we could attract and get. Though this may hold back Woodburn. What a conundrum.

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07 Aug 2017 11:23:26
Convert him to a lb again lol.

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07 Aug 2017 11:38:00
Ed002 made a decent suggestion with Insigne, who has a very similar skillset to Coutinho, although I have some small doubts as we haven't had much success with Italians, that is no reason to think that he couldn't be a success.

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07 Aug 2017 12:01:10
I admit Liverpool probably have no interest in Bale primarily due to the size of Transfer Fee he would command but if (and its a big if) Phil C. does go for the money being quoted then Bale surely comes into our price range. And you can't tell me that Bale wouldn't make our team better.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has zero interest in Bale.}

07 Aug 2017 13:29:29
And I suspect Bale has zero interest in Liverpool. If I remember comments from him in the past about LFC correctly.

This is a player who gives the distinct impression of being yesterday's news. Move on.

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07 Aug 2017 16:15:53
Yeah, Bale made some very derogatory remarks about the club, I wouldn't want the man bun wearing idiot anywhere near the club.

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07 Aug 2017 18:03:03
How can a winger replace a playmaker? And why do you want to drop Salah into the middle given his best attribute is pace? What kind of rubbish logic is this? It's like you replace Modric with Gareth Bale!

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07 Aug 2017 18:04:29
Senseless now you have two wingers and you don't know how to fit in! Let's give Salah back to Roma and buy Brandt now that Coutinho is gone?

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07 Aug 2017 18:09:11
Totally agree with lallana. When we finished 4th I said to my mate "I bet we sign sigursson" as he was the stand out player of the league outside the top six. If Phil stays, granted we don't need him but if he goes I think we could do a lot worse than the icelander. Could kill two birds with one stone and disrupt Everton at the same time.

He is proven in premiership

He can handle the big games

He is only getting better

Any inconsistencies in his play can be ironed out by top class management.

Even if Phil stays I think he would be a class signing, show our intent to bring the best players to liverpool.

Lastly, he would surely love to join us and Swansea would surely sell.

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08 Aug 2017 02:36:47
If phil does do Coric would be the one player id love to sign, definitely has a good head on his shoulders he's rejected big moves in the past to stay and develop i believe, though he's still so young i wouldn't want to buy him and then put so much pressure on him. But I really do think he will be a very very good player for the future
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07 Aug 2017 09:48:26
To add insult to injury, apparently we are looking at signing Oxlade Chamberlain for £28m. Just when you thought this transfer window couldn't get any worse.

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07 Aug 2017 09:58:48
since July.

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07 Aug 2017 10:03:11
You have got to be the most negative person on this site. I haven't seen one positive post from you in the past few days. You need to relax and have faith in the players, the team and the manger. The window is still open. We Coutinho is still here. The manager has repeatedly said that phil is not for sale and we have no reason to think otherwise. So once again, please just relax.

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07 Aug 2017 10:02:29
Hahaha at least you're consistent Mr frankly.

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07 Aug 2017 10:05:52
Ox was awesome in charity shield. Perfect attributes to do well
for klopp.

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07 Aug 2017 10:10:00
Fencey, what I heard was an increased offer, which makes no sense for a very mediocre player in the last year of his contract.

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07 Aug 2017 11:14:03
Give Ox a break please. he is not even a liverpool player yet. Also he did not do too badly against Chealsea did he?

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07 Aug 2017 11:39:17
You haven't watched the same player I have seen. Typical headless chicken English winger with added injury problems.

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07 Aug 2017 15:48:28
Frankly, mr frankly. You're comments are both negative and innaccurate. You said the other day coutinho is definitely leaving and anyone who doesn't realise this is dillusional. macca now posts he's 50/ 50. Maybe it's you who is dillusional, making bold claims and having any excuse to be negative.

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07 Aug 2017 16:25:07
Not sure which comments are inaccurate?

Coutinho is very unlikely to be a Liverpool player at the end of the transfer window. To think that we can offer Coutinho the trophies he'll win at Barcelona is delusional since we're simply not good enough to compete with the top teams. Footballers careers are short and he is at the stage where he has to make a choice, I don't doubt that had we brought in VVD and ? it would have been a more difficult choice as he could see the squad improving, but as it stands, Barcelona represents a better opportunity, whether we like that or not.

As for Oxlade Chamberlain, he is a very very ordinary footballer at best and I'm being generous there. His end product is awful and he has serious long term injury issues, if we sold Coutinho and brought him in that would be going backwards.

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07 Aug 2017 18:10:06
Bang on kwikop. Is don't understand the negativity around him. It's not like they are saying 50 mil for him? That would be a worry.

28 is more than reasonable.

And yes, he was great against Chelsea.

I honestly think if he were playing in German league and we youtubed him to find out a bit about him, lfc fans would be pleased by link.

Every England manager picks him and he scores for england. He is no cm imo but as a winger or wing back he is cool.

I think we've cooled interest since we cooled on vvd. Therefore I think klopp was planning on playing 352. With the ox as a wing back and TAA as the other, while van dike plays in middle of back 3.

I for one would be pleased to have another England international at lfc.

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07 Aug 2017 08:54:00
Question for edd 001 if your about. I remember you saying that people inside the club still believed that vvd would be coming in is that still the case or has it changed? Thanks in advance keep up the good work 👍.

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{Ed001's Note - nothing has changed, they still believe that and VVD has told the club he only wants to go to Liverpool. It is at an impasse right now.}

07 Aug 2017 09:20:54
It's not going to happen. Southampton would rather sell to Chelsea and the player has apparently said he'd happily consider them, given everything that has happened this is one transfer that will not happen. That and Keita. Forget it.

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07 Aug 2017 09:21:16
Sick of this now Ed001. Regardless of how we've approached this (which has been done to death) we should get players in as soon as possible so they are ready for day 1 of the season. If we're interested then we should just get it done!

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{Ed001's Note - and you don't think the club would also like to do that?}

07 Aug 2017 09:32:48
If it was that simple, every club would do that, Johnny.

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07 Aug 2017 09:36:35
If we had approached the VVD situation in a less dodgy manner then he'd likely already be a Loverpool player. As it is, we contrived to mess that situation up.

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07 Aug 2017 09:28:49
Hi Eds, what happens if VVD submits transfer request. Can Saint block it?

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{Ed002's Note - Of course they can refuse it.}

07 Aug 2017 09:42:23
So Klopp coming out saying he is not after a CB could this be a tactic to try have someone else open the bidding so we can bid. After the apology etc we can't make the first move but surely if we match any accepted offer we should be ok.

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07 Aug 2017 09:56:04
ed001 - it would seem not to me and many others, in fact it feels pretty shambolic really, symptomatic of our player recruitment policy over the last 20 years almost.

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{Ed001's Note - just another excuse to whine this is or did you sleep through the VVD and Keita problems?}

07 Aug 2017 10:09:16
JQLFC86, you're looking for something that isn't there, if Chelsea bid for him and Southampton accept it, that is the end of the matter. We will have no input on it and even if we offered to match the Chelsea offer, what do you think the outcome would be? Southampton would refuse the offer then report us to the FA. It would end with the player going to Chelsea and us getting a disciplinary from the FA and a possible transfer ban, it has been done to death on these pages!

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07 Aug 2017 10:24:30
Personally don't think we would pay the fees that would be needed to get VVD done. The fee maybe but not the payment terms that would be probably be asked for due to the tapping up situation.

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07 Aug 2017 10:58:14
Dont know why half the posters on here support Lfc, don't seem to get any joy out of it whatsoever! Love a good moan.

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07 Aug 2017 11:42:07
Where is there any joy to be had at the moment? Our rivals are all looking stronger than us and even Everton are looking a better team than they have for years, whereas we are in the process of selling our best player and have not been able to secure our top transfer targets through our underhand actions and incompetence.

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07 Aug 2017 12:27:38
I hope we don't suddenly make any signings or you'd have nothing to write about.
Then again, no one we sign will be good enough or at the right price.

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07 Aug 2017 12:28:39
Name one Everton player (besides MAYBE Pickford) that would get in our team.

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07 Aug 2017 14:37:26
No whining from me Ed001, just an observation on how poor we seem to be at getting things over the line in an efficient (and legal) manner. Other clubs around us seem to have gone about their business far more effectively than we have this summer.

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{Ed001's Note - but that is not what the club aims to do, which is what you just said seems to be.}

07 Aug 2017 14:59:06
I get it Ed, but we do seem to be making a right old mess don't we, I mean why even chase a player (I won't even use the initials) when it's so blatantly obvious that his club won't sell. Have we no plan B? I thought we were run by professional businessmen these days.

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{Ed001's Note - maybe there is no option the club feel is worth going for who is interested in joining us?}

07 Aug 2017 17:19:17
@big emre how about Baines? let's face it, your lb situation is shambolic. Coleman everyday over Arnold or Clyne. Keane is a huge improvement on Klaven and Lovren. Gana would prove solid competition for your midfield and get ahead of Can, Lallana and Grujic. If you had signed Klaassen you'd be wetting yourselves over what a fantastic season he had last year. Then take a look at our emerging youth, it's miles ahead of anybody you have, Holgate, Kenny, Dowell, Lookman, Davies, Calvert-Lewin.

My apologies to everyone else here for invading your page but comments like this from Big Emre are hugely disrespectful and naive. There's really no need to think every player is awful if they play for Everton. I can admit you have some good players who would improve a lot of teams but some people have a serious case of the red tinted glasses.

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07 Aug 2017 17:25:22
Ed001, sad day for LFC if true, there must be a player as good as VVD or that other fella available somewhere. Oh well, maybe not.

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07 Aug 2017 18:01:34
After FSG forced the club to offer the apology to Southampton and publicly declare all interest in VVD has ended, wouldn't it be counter productive for them to then turn around and allow the club to bring him in now? Considering the importance the owners seem to place on trying to restore the clubs reputation allowing a chase now would seem to against restoring that reputation and credibility in transfer dealings. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe its just me that thinks such a move now would be utterly ridiculous after the embarrassing public apology they forced the club to make.

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07 Aug 2017 02:16:01
If Couthino goes, the sun will still rise. I'm interested in the Eds opinion on who will come in as I've read on here a striker. No one is bigger than the club.
Matt in FL.

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{Ed001's Note - I do not know of any striker set to sign.}

07 Aug 2017 07:32:14
I think it's Barcelona just applying pressure and trying to unsettle Coutinho through the media so he demands a move. If we were to sell him I think I'd lose faith in our owners, especially if nobody exceptional replaces him. I'm still positive about it though. For now.

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07 Aug 2017 07:45:22
Agree I'd be very disappointed with the club.
Klopp said at the end of last season we will be getting new players an now he's saying he's happy with his centre half's! Come on klopp you must be joking mate.

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07 Aug 2017 07:54:31
I think am starting to sway towards eds1 feeling about klopp!

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07 Aug 2017 08:16:55
Fowler, Klopp said he would bring in new players. He did not say which players they were or what positions he was looking to strengthen. If you thought he would bring in the players at the positions that you wanted (CB, for example) and for some reason he did not, you drew that conclusion on your own and nothing else so Klopp is not to blame for you drawing the wrong conclusions.

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07 Aug 2017 08:39:03
I'm a big believer in the FSG model of buying quality young players and developing them into title challengers. Even in today's incredible spending I believe a model like this can compete. Key to it however is keeping the stars once they develop.

I ve been a big supporter of FSG to date but if we sell coutinho regardless of who we buy to replace I believe the model will be dead. I would still be very thankful they came along saved the club, built a bigger stadium and significantly improved the squad. It would be time to go in my opinion if coutinho is sold as they would have taken us as far as they could.

At the moment this is all intense speculation so my support continues until something actually happens.

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07 Aug 2017 09:13:58
Dave that comment has to be contradiction at its finest. You're a big believer in the model but if 1 player is sold then the model is dead 🤔.

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07 Aug 2017 09:29:38
Where's the contradiction? The model is based on developing and keeping the players. If one is sold then the model is not being followed, and is dead. Logic is obviously not a strong skill with some on here.

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07 Aug 2017 09:38:09
Jayden, you are missing the point of Davey's post which I agree with. he is saying that we should be able to keep our best players after we have spent time and money in developing them. Right now, we developed Cou into the player he is today, period. He has also made the effort to improve his game as well and he was a massive player for us last season esp. at the end here where his goals and assists (playing at Stoke while severely ill) that helped get us over the line for CL. He is IMO, our best player due to the immense creative influence he has on our team. If we sell him now, we are a selling club and a feeder club for the RM's, Barca's and Bayern's to come in and take their pick and BOOM goes the model.

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{Ed002's Note - It is because he wants to leave and has done for some time. You should understand that Coutinho has been looking for this move for more than a year.}

07 Aug 2017 09:40:06
How is it a contradiction. Im a believer in the model of buying young and building a quality team. That for me only works if you keep your best players regardless of what's offered.

Yes it is dead if we sell coutinho. Today's it's coutinho, next year it's Mane. Ultimately if good money is on the table we are sellers. Good business but it will not win you titles. Ever.

If Fsg don't sell on continue on the path I hope they are on, then it's all good in my opinion. We continue to build a grow.

I'm not contradicting at all. I'm laying out 2 different scenarios. One a recipe for success. The other a recipe for disaster. The next month will decide.

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{Ed002's Note - Players are simply transient employees of the club. If you want them to stay loyal and not move on then look to more local and homegrown players.}

07 Aug 2017 10:03:43
Davey I've re-read your comment and your 2nd comment and I will happily suck back. I happily admit I misinterpreted your initial comment. My bad. Apologies.

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07 Aug 2017 10:07:06
Funny how ed2 says couts been looking for this move for a year but when Keita wanted to leave his club to join us we are the big bad bogey men . This won't be posted as ed 2 doesn't like the truth.

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{Ed002's Note - This is the typical coward that changes his name and writes trash like this. I have explained for more than a year about Coutinho and I have explained before about the illegal approaches Klopp has made in respect of Keita. It seems I might well be the only one who cares about the truth. You find it "funny" as you simply don't understand.}

07 Aug 2017 10:09:03
Spot on, Davey. If we allow Cou's shananigans to go and let him have his wish, then we are screwed as any other player will do the exact same thing to us and then it becomes untenable.

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07 Aug 2017 10:21:06
I get what you are saying Ed but if Man United, Chelsea, Manchester City had liverpools position of a star player on a 5 year contract and reasonably happy they would not sell. Coutinho s head is turned I have no doubt but he can easily be brought back onside. He s lived in liverpool long enough a it cannot simply be the case Barcelona come calling and it's no longer a place of work he can accept.

Costa situation and suarez situations are different. They are untenable positions. This isn't that. The club has to show strength here.

I don't see real madrid selling Ronaldo during his unhappy times.

FSG are at a major crossroads and have a decision to make.

Ultimately coutinho is not the important part of this decision. Like you say he is a transient employee who will leave someday. However the decision to sell a top player under five year contract who has spent years at the club is the key to it. Do we as a club sell players in this position?

If we do this then there is no sustainable model in place to become genuine title challengers.

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{Ed002's Note - Barcelona has come calling because for more than a year Coutinho has been trying to find a way to make the move Davey.}

07 Aug 2017 10:45:49
Anyone remember when we sold the young, talented Michael Owen and then next year won the Champions League with possibly the worst squad ever to win the competition?

(Granted we did have Stevie G to thank for most of it. )

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07 Aug 2017 11:06:23
Ed fair enough he's wanted, and being looking for the move for over a year! Was the signing of the contract just to guarantee getting the highest fee possible.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea why he signed the contract - probably pressured in to doing it. But the club has known all along about his discussions with the three international colleagues and his agent courting Barcelona.}

07 Aug 2017 11:08:49
Regardless of them looking for an out the board managed to tie him to a contract during that time. We have to think long term with the decision made on this one because the implications for liverpool a far far greater than selling a player.

Well I could argue the point all day but the kids are pestering me to take them to the park. Take care Ed.

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07 Aug 2017 13:34:02
It has been known for a long time that Coutinho's dream club was Barcelona.

So now Barcelona have come calling, and he wants to go.

Exactly how is that FSG's fault?

Maybe FSG are also to blame for problems in the Middle East, not to mention North Korea?

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