Liverpool Rumours Archive November 04 2015

 

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04 Nov 2015 18:52:46
Klopp has said Gerrard is welcome to train in the off season but nothing else. So no coaching or involvement in club matters.

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04 Nov 2015 19:34:29
Hope so
Need to push forward, not dwell in the past. Stevie was a great servant but his time has passed.

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05 Nov 2015 00:22:39
He actually said that a playing role wasnt mentioned bu stevie in the article i read. So therefore Klopp said they didn't speak about it. don't think he will be bk in a LFC shirt playing again. wouldn't mind though.

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05 Nov 2015 04:26:47
I would. He's part of our past and should stay there.

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05 Nov 2015 05:46:35
I'm glad many fans recognizes that Gerrard's time as a player for Liverpool is over and rightly so. As much as he's a legend, it is time for others to step up and bring the club forward the way Gerrard did in his prime. Klopp should not be pressured to bring back ex-stars but rather bring in whoever he feels is right for his style and vision. That would include future signings or no signings at all if he can somehow utilize and improve our current crop of players. I would be more than happy to see our current squad perform well than keep buying and buying without producing the goods eventually. But I have no doubt that Klopp will surely get some players in or out. but not like 6 or 7 players like Rodgers did.

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05 Nov 2015 10:15:04
Personally I would be happy with Gerrard training with the club then maybe playing in a couple of cup or Europa league games if needs be, especially if Allen ends up leaving as I didn't think we looked great against Sion (I think) where chiravella and rossiter were the midfield pair. One of them with Gerrard to help him out experience wise would be handy. Judging from how Klopp is taking the majority of the squad to these Thursday night games I think he intends on taking it seriously so an extra midfield body for any games he'd he available for wouldn't be the end of the world.

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{Ed002's Note - If registered as a player I would think the FA would have no option but to charge him with at least one count. If he trains with the first team he will be an unnecessary distraction.}

05 Nov 2015 12:49:15
Everyone complained hoe Rodgers didn't use the youth and now half the fans want a club legend who's struggling to keep up to speed in MLS to come back and block more paths to the first team! Move on people and look to the future.

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05 Nov 2015 15:37:28
Didi speak sense: “We all know what Steven Gerrard did for the club, but even if he does just train, if a central midfielder gets injured, the first question at the press conference will be, ‘Are you going to give him a contract? ’"

“And that’s the last thing Klopp needs — constant speculation about Steven Gerrard. I’m not sure even training with them is a good idea. ”.

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06 Nov 2015 07:52:25
swish - Sorry but reading the posts I don't see where you get "half the fans" want Stevie back as a player. From what I read we on this and other posts is that we are all happy to see the youth players get a chance and Stevie train with the club at the very most!

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04 Nov 2015 14:51:23
Eds, heard a couple of rumors we are monitoring Jamie Vardy, along with Dortmund.

What are you thoughts on the validity of this, and your opinions on him as a player?

Personally I think we would need to see him perform as he has been over a full season. Does look like he will get 20+ goals though which cannot be sniffed at.

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{Ed002's Note - Sorry, I can't help.}

05 Nov 2015 12:57:09
The thing with buying british is the price is massively inflated.

In all honesty I don't think we need to look at a striker with benteke, sturridge and ings when fit.

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04 Nov 2015 03:26:31
Hi Eds

The Independant reporting that Gerrard has had talks with Klopp and is ready to come home. Have you heard anything?

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - he wants to come back during the MLS off season and play for us under Klopp, plus do some more work towards his coaching badges. I expect it to be just him training and working on his badges, especially considering how poorly he played this season. Everyone has said the exact same things to me about him, that he was off the pace, too slow etc. The MLS is barely above the pace of walking football and he couldn't keep up with it! I hope Klopp is strong enough to have seen that and tell Gerrard his time is over, because he has not been good enough for years and we don't need him hamstringing our press again.}

04 Nov 2015 04:18:05
I think it would be great. Yeah people will disagree but hey, its my opinion and I am entitled to it. I think SG, under a manager such as Klopp would be a match made in heaven. Can't see it happening but LFC/Anfield/Liverpool is where his heart is, and he can see the turn in our fortunes on the horizon. Under BR we could see there were issues. It's not all about the physical side, you need heart too.

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{Ed001's Note - why would it be a match made in heaven? Even at his peak Gerrard was an issue in the dressing room, his attitude regarding wanting to play where he wanted to, rather than where the manager thought he should, was an issue. Now his legs have gone as well, he is the last thing we need. It would end any chance of playing the gegepress.}

04 Nov 2015 04:53:06
Cheers for reply Ed, and I think it would be a match made in Heaven as I can see SG really seeing that under Klopp things are going to be good. Klopp VS BR as a manager/coach is a no contest. Klopp is the man imo to take us to that next level, and I think there is a real buzz around us at the moment. SG probably wants to part of this. He didn't look happy on the field under BR. SG can still do a job for us Ed001, I really believe that. I would have him back in heartbeat. It's not about looking to the past, it's about me/us wanting LFC to be the best again. I think he can help us achieve that and he deserves it. If he did not come back then I would not be upset, I just love him lol.

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{Ed001's Note - you haven't watched him play if you think that, you are remembering what he was, not what he is. His legs have gone. It would be the same problem Chelsea have faced this season, with lumbering over the hill players struggling to keep up. He deserves nothing, he got paid ridiculous amounts of money, that is more than enough to compensate him. He won the biggest prize in club football, then threw his toys out of his pram and tried to push through a move to Chelsea, there is no way he 'deserves' anything but thanks for what he did.}

04 Nov 2015 06:59:34
Our of order Ed. Gerrard single handedly won the European cup for us amongst other things, show some respect, the man is a legend.

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{Ed001's Note - no he did not, he was part of a team that won things, grow up.}

04 Nov 2015 07:08:30
That's harsh.

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{Ed001's Note - no it is not, it is far from it.}

04 Nov 2015 07:47:04
It's spectacularly disrespectful to the likes of Carragher, Hypia, Dudek, Hamman, Smicer, Alonso, Garcia etc to talk about how Gerrard single handedly won us the champions league. He neither single handed got us to the final, nor did he do it himself in the game. It was one of the greatest team efforts of the modern age and they all deserve the respect and admiration for it, not just Gerrard.

On him coming back - fine for training and I actually think some of the more experienced players like Milner could do with having a sit down with him. But not to play unless we have massive injuries including our younger players in the MLS off season period and are desperate for cover.

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{Ed001's Note - well said.}

04 Nov 2015 07:53:29
I wouldn't even want Gerrard back training with us. We have the most exciting manager we have had in years, working with a young squad, it's a fresh start, let's not upset the apple cart. This'll probably get slated, but ed001 is right, Gerrard has had his time.

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04 Nov 2015 07:54:19
Brilliant honesty from you Ed - good player that Gerrard was for us, if people could remove the SG tinted glasses, and actually look at how many average games he had, brilliant big game player, but lots of not so good games also, he got very wealthy playing for his home town club. As far as 2005 is concerned, it was a fabulous team effort once we recovered from Benitez's error of starting with Jewell.

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04 Nov 2015 08:51:45
Wasn't it Dudek who made the wonder double save and stopped the penalties going on? Gerrard did well that night but the team was amazing (bar 1st half) carragher was a monster 2nd half onwards.

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04 Nov 2015 08:56:40
Completely agree, anyone that watched him throughout his last season with us and in the MLS will know that he's no longer the Stevie G we all fondly remember. His swansong should have been the year of the 'slip' but it wasn't to be, after this teams found out how to neutralise him playing in that deep role (I recall a certain Stewart Downing absolutely swarming him when we played West Ham and it lost us the game! )

Like others have said, its massively disrespectful to the other players that were on thr field that night in Istanbul to say he did it alone, there were 11 men, a manager and some amazing support that all did the business that night.

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04 Nov 2015 09:03:05
He didn't single handily win the European cup by himself. If you want to get down to I who crossed the ball for him to header in the first goal during the final? Without the cross then there is none of this bullcrap that he won it by himself.

Sexondly if macca reads this, he needs to pass it on. We need to be done with Stevie now simple. He csnt play and hasn't for years, we all got slated on here for moaning about hos legs and that, it even got to where the media and fellow managers where saying his legs haven't gone he is still fast blah blah and then Gerrard after scoring in the derby running to the crowd going "there you go". It was bad. Hos legs have gone, he never had agility to turn on a 50p piece so without his pace to make up for it he wasn't able to continue playing, let alone in midfield. In his pomp he couldn't be trusted to play in the middle because he would always go missing before spraying a 90 yard ball and making all forgotten.

If he comes back what happens if he doesn't like klopp or his methods, dors he disrupt the harmany in the group? Complain to the bosses? Or even right a book about it.

Its like having a 34 year old child who still wants to keep moving home, we can't keep babying him. If he wants to go be a coach then do it the hard or more normal way like anyone else, why should he get any better treatment with using the word legend or because he is Stevie g and he won is things. He got payed and payed hansolmly for all that he gave us.

Time to move on.

Love you Stevie.

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04 Nov 2015 09:08:19
I agree, SG shouldn't come back right now he will still have too much influence on the team.
Let JK rebuild then in a few years when SG has retired from playing if he wants to return then we can offer him some kind of role .

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{Ed002's Note - Quite frankly, if he returns to England and gets registered as a player I would expect at least one FA charge to follow given the discussions of several weeks ago and the stupidity of some of the content of his book.

The club will be aware of this.}

04 Nov 2015 09:10:24
Gerrard was great 5 years ago brutal but true time to move on. I would prefer if he wasn't around the club and was doing his badges elsewhere. P neville is somebody I like (painful) how he has been learning under different coaches and now in Spain I think something like that would benefit Gerrard coaching range.

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04 Nov 2015 09:26:22
In relation to the champions league final the player who stands out in my mind is Carragher. From the second 45 onwards that was the greatest defensive display I have ever seen from a player.

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04 Nov 2015 09:40:58
Lets be honest Gerrard is no where near good enough to come back and play for us, he was magnificent in his day but as ed1 has said he is past it, he can't even do it in the MLS (thats no disrespect to the MLS but is no BPL), why would you want him back anyway after his outrageously disrespectful book? The past is best left as fond memories. As for Istanbul agree with a lot above Carra, Hamman, Smicer, Alonso, Dudek, the coaches, the fans etc. won us that game with a massive help from Stevie but is that not what payers are payed to do.

Stevie G is a Legend let's just keep it that way please.

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04 Nov 2015 09:56:15
As ed002 highlighted, I doubt very much SG will come back to play. I think the conversations is all about him learning from Klop, no official role or anything like that just shadow sort of thing like what Brendan did under Jose when he first started.

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04 Nov 2015 10:41:25
I would hate to see Gerrard come back so soon, he needs to spend a bit of time away from the club and come back when he's humble about his contribution over the years. Every time he's spoken to the press since he left I've lost a bit more respect for him.

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04 Nov 2015 10:56:37
what are you lot on about? He wasn't good enough last year or the year before. brutal but honest truth. He was good in his early days but age catches up with everyone. in my heyday I could sing and shout for 2 hours plus. not nowadays. accept it and move on I have seen better players come and go. live with it. its sad but its the here and now.

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04 Nov 2015 12:24:18
I think the Club should respectfully deny Gerrard a route straight back into the Liverpool setup at the moment.
He's only been gone 5 mins, Klopp has been here 5 mins, he's got a decent bunch of players to work with atm (no big egos)
Can't honestly see many if any benefits having Gerrard return. Imagine how Henderson, Ca.

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04 Nov 2015 12:33:00
Can't believe how much garbage I read on here about one of the greatest players ever to wear the red shirt! Maybe his legs have gone - not surprising with how many times he had to drag us through matches! I really hope he does return to us, even if it is only to train and earn his badges. I think he'd learn massively from Klopp, just being around him for a few weeks. Not sure we need him playing, as I can already see Klopp's influence starting to imprint on our squad - perfect example is giving Lucas the confidence and belief in himself to come back to the level he is currently playing at. But please don't know Stevie, show some respect.

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{Ed001's Note - perhaps he should have thought of that when he was putting out his latest moneymaking scheme. Gerrard showed the club no respect, acted with no class, with that book. It is difficult to respect someone who shows so little respect to others. What he earnt on the pitch, he did his best to ruin off the pitch with his own actions throughout his career.}

04 Nov 2015 13:01:34
Gerrard scored the first goal, but the cross was just perfect for him from riise. He spurred the team on, but getting one back early always get the adrenaline going. They all tried hard, alonso stepped up to take the crucial penalty. Dudes pulled off probably the best double save I've seen in my life. And Benitez changed it to 3 at the back with attacking wide players to really push hard.
Maybe we can say he won the fa cup for us the year ;)

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{Ed001's Note - Hamann's arrival and Carragher's pushing up had as big a part to play as any, plus Carra's instruction to Dudek to copy Grobs, to be fair. It was a fantastic team performance to come back, it is time to stop fawning over Gerrard and remember that. The entire team came up with a miracle, not one man. Oh and I include the manager and coaching staff in there as part of the team.}

04 Nov 2015 13:14:48
In The Daily Telegraph it says that when Gerrard left for the MLS it was already agreed he would come back in the off season to train. However with Brendas dismissal it wasn't clear whether that offer was still on the table. Their words not mine, make of that what you will.

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04 Nov 2015 13:26:31
As a 45 year old LFC fan who watched SG all through his career I can say with 100% conviction that SG can't play for LFC again. He was a wonderful, motivated, gifted heart of a great team and towards the end he was a great leader of a good team but he cannot play in the prem anymore. I watched for England a couple of years ago and he had no pace then. He can however be a great addition to the coaching staff and I am sure he can work under Klopp in some capacity. Klopp and the youngsters are our playing future, SG can be the backroom/coaching future. Leave the legends of the past where they are and concentrate on creating new legends.

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04 Nov 2015 14:02:30
I do absolutely agree with you ED001 on the response to my post above, how much of it though was outside influence on Stevie? Him toying with the idea of joining Chelsea before our Istanbul win, the book just released etc. As with many players these days, they are very mis-informed/pushed in the wrong direction at times. I just hope that going forward we have players who would run through brick walls for the team, fans and manager, much like he did time and again. I 100% don't think he should return in a playing capacity - we have a new direction now and I believe it looks very promising.

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{Ed001's Note - outside influence? He only has hangers on and suck ups around him. The problem with Gerrard has always been the lack of an outside influence to make him realise he is not some kind of god. He is so high on his own importance that he forgets about everything else, which was why a bit of flattery saw him desperate to run off to Chelsea. He wanted to put out the book, no one pushed him into it. Gerrard has always had everyone around him saying how great he is and no one to ever keep him in check, that is his problem. What he needed was someone keeping his feet on the ground, what he constantly got were people pandering to him, then he had so much power around the club no one could do anything else.}

04 Nov 2015 15:03:19
{Ed001's Note - no he did not, he was part of a team that won things, grow up. } so under this logic then your quotes about Suarez and Studge getting us to 2nd on their own don't hold much weight do they? Surely the same respect should be afforded to the team they played with in 2013/14 including the manager? Not sticking up for anyone, just saying.

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{Ed001's Note - what quotes? Show me where I said they did that on their own.}

04 Nov 2015 17:37:04
He may have had no-one to hold him in check or to keep his feet on the ground but that doesn't stop him being passionate about the club he played for all that time. I simply don't understand the anti Gerrard comments. Yes his legs have gone but that doesn't make him bad or disruptive. The fact that he left to go to MLS was in all probability down to others (primarily Ayre and Rodgers) not saying that it would be good if he stayed as a squad player and had a small coaching role to start off with. The success that Liverpool enjoyed over the years was brought about by identifying emerging talent and getting hold of it before anyone else did, bringing change about continually but gradually and identifying, grooming leaders from within and developing a siege mentality. Apart from the obvious we have won very little by appointing managers who were clearly not up to the job (Dalglish, Hodgson and Rodgers more recently) . It pains me to include Dalglish in that group for his second spell as manager because he is a legend in my view but was a clearly out of his depth. Retain the good, promote from within once people have learned their craft (e. g. Paisley, Fagan, Evans, Dalglish) and have the courage to take a long term view and we might, just might, end up being successful again. Look AF and MU. They didn't get to where they were by chopping and changing like they've started doing now. As to SG's head being turned by offers from Chelsea - who wouldn't have been flattered - only idiots. The fact remains that for whatever reason he decided not to go. Books? They all write them, they are all controversial in some way or another so learn to live with it. Perhaps SG hasn't learned the complete Liverpool way and kept the dirty laundry in-house. However, I bet there's a lot more he could have dished if he had a mind to.

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{Ed001's Note - he was disruptive and a problem long before his legs went. The moment he refused to play on the right under Rafa, and Rafa was forced to accept it by the club, was the moment he became a major problem. As for the books, most of the dirt that could be dished would be on him, so I very much doubt that will happen from him.}

04 Nov 2015 17:55:23
In my opinion, hamman changed the game. he was instrumental in breaking up the attacks and giving us the foundation to bomb forward. stevie g will always be a liverpool legend but he's finished as a player. might as well ask Robbie and rushy to play too!

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04 Nov 2015 22:44:56
Well said Ed001

Hopefully that dirt will come to light one day!

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04 Nov 2015 23:30:38
I think Stevie should do what Becks did and spend a couple of months on loan in Italy or France. Would be a great short term experience and would also help him long term with coaching.

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04 Nov 2015 20:43:23
Then the club should have told SG to shut up or ship out. That's not Gerrard's fault. No-one wants to play out of position and we've all seen endless cases of foolish managers trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Sometimes as an emergency and sometimes because "they have seen potential. " If expressing an opinion and sticking to it is being disruptive then perhaps we need more of it. Opinionated, disruptive, troublesome, single minded, most of his time at one club. Remind you of anyone else?

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{Ed001's Note - play out of position? Gerrard didn't have a position at that point, but he had just had a fantastic season playing on the right, the best of his career, yet he threw his toys out of the pram and demanded to play in the middle. He never again played to that level. It was not square pegs in round holes, he was better suited to that role than any other. Instead we then were left to completely rejig the side to shoehorn him in centrally and put a square peg on the right, in Kuyt, to make up for his sudden lack workrate defensively. You are right, the club should have told him to shut up or ship out, but that doesn't make him the good guy in this. He has never been the blue eyed boy his image has made him out to be.}

05 Nov 2015 00:19:42
Love this debate, and Ed001 u r right, his MLS career hasn't been great thus far, and right again when u say i must not have watched a lot, as i didn't see many games at all. Still would have him though lol, will always love SG. What he does off the field doesn't concern me to be honest, as long as its within the law n he doesn't act in a way that reflects badly on Liverpool then I don't mind. You clearly know something we dont, n I haven't read the book yet.

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{Ed001's Note - if you knew the half of what he does, you would be concerned. The reputation of the club was dragged through the mud a couple of summers ago by the actions of him and his missus while they were holidaying in Dubai. And that was petty compared to some of the stuff. He was a great player, but that is all he was. He was very careful to maintain an outward image that always put him in a good light (not the only footballer to do so either, the little rat Michael Owen comes to mind). He was clever enough to make sure he always had hangers on around to make sure he didn't look like it was down to him when he didn't want to sign autographs. His hangers on would always be under instruction to drag him away, so he could pretend he wanted to sign more, when it was him that instructed them to move him away.}

05 Nov 2015 04:36:32
Wow, Ed's revelations are jaw dropping. SG is some piece of work if all things are considered.

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{Ed001's Note - he was just spoilt and fawned over all his life. Let's be fair though, it could have been far worse, he is no Ravel Morrison, for instance.}

05 Nov 2015 07:24:56
Ed1, fair enough, I wouldn't want Gerrard back either after last season, but even though Istanbul was very much a team win, Gerrard as good as single-handedly won us the FA Cup in 2006, no?

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{Ed001's Note - again no, he didn't do any such thing. Being the best player on the pitch and winning something single handedly are two different things.}

05 Nov 2015 09:38:15
Cheers Ed001 for the informative insight. What about other team-mates of his? Did anyone ever speak out against him?

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{Ed001's Note - those that did were quickly moved out of the club.}

05 Nov 2015 12:54:42
Diego Maradonna vs England in 1990. Now that's an example of a player winning a game single handedly.

Gerrard was just the poster boy of a great team. From 2010 onwards when he didn't have the great team around him he got found out. His performances seemingly spiked in 2013-14 because Suarez, Sterling and Sturridge won him a lot of penalties to convert, and Suarez, Sturridge and Skrtel put a lot of his corners in the net. He was still average in open play though.

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06 Nov 2015 00:52:06
What did he do in Dubai Ed that damaged the clubs reputation? (if you don't mind/ are allowed to say)

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{Ed001's Note - even if I could say, I don't think this site is the right place for this kind of gossip. It is more the kind of stuff Perez Hilton would lap up.}

 
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